Colorado’s New Speed Camera System Makes Waze Nearly Useless
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New way of ticketing speeders based on vehicle tracking cameras and calculating average speed between different cams.
Uptons_BJs@reddit
You know, one major theory why sports cars died in Japan (only the 86 sells four digits per year now) is that their speed enforcement got a lot better. They have mobile speed cameras that change location every night, and speed cameras give you points on your license.
Let’s be honest here, driving is a lot more boring if you can only do the speed limit.
Yotsubato@reddit
Japanese speed cameras are not bad.
They only flash 40 kph above the limit on expressways. So that’s going 140 in a 100 kph zone.
Outside of expressways they are very rare.
Sports cars fell out of fashion cause young people aren’t into cars as much anymore and rigid inspections plus factory vehicles being optimized ruined the tuning scene.
Avedas@reddit
Yup the tuning scene is basically for old beaters only and young Japanese people are too broke to afford any newer sports cars, including domestic ones.
Yotsubato@reddit
The old beaters are the only ones where tuning makes sense
aprtur@reddit
Ehhh, I wouldn't go that far to say tuning is only old beaters and older wealthy people. Drift cars, yes, but there's still plenty of people doing track builds with newer cars - I think you just don't see as much extreme tuning as you used to since newer cars in general have made it more difficult to do.
QuantumWannabe@reddit
No, they fell out of fashion because the Japanese economy has been in a depression for over 30 years and they can’t afford them anymore.
vagabond139@reddit
Also you really don't need a car in the large cities. If I lived somewhere like Tokyo I wouldn't probably wouldn't own a car unless I was making good money. A bike would make way more sense if I wanted a personal vehicle.
animerobin@reddit
It’s more important that driving is safe than fun
aprtur@reddit
I don't think those things are really interlinked like that. Like u/Yotsubato said, I think it has more to do with social trends and how younger people are spending their money. I have plenty of friends with heavily modified cars in Japan (Tokyo, Osaka, and Nagoya areas), and know a lot of people who still do street racing in Japan. Not only are they not getting nipped by cameras, I'm aware of Aqua Line runs still going well in excess of 200kph.
Avedas@reddit
Yeah, look at the Orbis tracker and you'll see the mobile ones are basically only on smaller local roads. There are only a handful of fixed laser traps around the Tokyo expressways anyway and Aqua Line and most of Wangan have none of course. Otherwise you just have to watch out for unmarked police cars.
Plus everyone who likes speeding has a radar/laser detector anyway and they're not illegal.
caustictoast@reddit
Driving is a lot safer if you’re doing the speed limit. Take it to the track speed racer
Uptons_BJs@reddit
You're not wrong, but like, at least near me the speed limits are so low I was able to do all the "twisties" at the speed limits in a loaner Malibu (TBF, the top trim).
Are you surprised the sports car industry is struggling in that case? If the only advantage a "performance car" has over a family sedan can only be shown on a race track, nobody's gonna buy one.
Captain_Alaska@reddit
I mean that's not really saying anything, regular ass cars are way more capable than people give them credit for.
r00000000@reddit
The safest is matching the flow of traffic and if the flow of traffic is like 30-40 over the limit (highway 400 in Ontario for example), then it's safer than going 30-40 under everyone else.
strongmanass@reddit
The solution is cars that are enjoyable at the speed limit or a casual cruise. For me that's convertibles with great interiors - aka grand tourers. I love how striking something like a Lamborghini is, but every time I think about a supercar I just think it would be wasted on public roads and a worse experience than a car designed for both cruising and performance driving when you want a change.
-----seven-----@reddit
yeah. so what?
SnikySquirrel@reddit
… do you even like cars? Why are you here?
5yrup@reddit
I like cars. I like having my family not getting killed by an idiot being highly unsafe even more though.
-----seven-----@reddit
oh i like cars genius. i just happen to enjoy them in safe, controlled environments. god you people are so insufferable, god fucking forbid you follow the goddamn laws on public roads
BrunoEye@reddit
Depends on the speed limit. There are plenty of roads in the UK that are 60 MPH and where going that fast is a challenge. Also helps if you have skinny tyres and no ESP or TC.
Standard-Juice-3738@reddit
Same with Montana. Lots of fun roads with 60 to 70 mph speed limits
MeIsMyName@reddit
I had a lot of fun driving through Montana, and I wish more places set their speed limits similarly.
Uptons_BJs@reddit
That I am quite jealous of. Near me, our best know “twisty” is 50km/h ☹️
BrunoEye@reddit
Yeah, that sucks. It's a shame our approach isn't more common.
Lobsterbib@reddit
The future will be a constant police state enabled by the people who claimed to be wholly against police states.
Snoo93079@reddit
I for one think having highly paid police officers running radar is a complete waste of money. If we want to let drivers drive faster, increase the speed limit. Either way let's use technology to control speeds.
sc0lm00@reddit
I always thought they should allow higher speeds on toll ways. If I'm paying let me run it out.
FantomDrive@reddit
There is one in Oklahoma that I think was 80 mph?
Disarmer@reddit
Most tollroads in Texas are at least 10mph higher speed limits than whatever the alternative road is, even when they're right next to each other.
sc0lm00@reddit
It's been a few years but I definitely don't remember it being like that Houston at least.
superspeck@reddit
Not necessarily in Houston, but definitely in Austin.
WorldlyOriginal@reddit
As they currently stand, no, I don’t think tollways alone should allow you to drive faster.
But let’s we had tollways where, in order to enter them, you had to pass an advanced driver’s course or be using a sufficiently-good self-driving system. The tollway itself would have higher road safety standards (like F1-style crash barriers), more similar to the Autobahn in Germany. That infrastructure would be more expensive to build and maintain, hence the tolls.
If we had those, then yes, I think they should allow higher speeds, like 120 mph.
FantomDrive@reddit
I used to run a city's budget shop. These are cheaper than hiring the equivalent number of officers for the same effects on speeding and safety. In reality, this means a savings on your property taxes in most places.
That said, you have to have transparency and accountability from an independent 3rd party to help everyone feel the system is fair. Full audit logs etc.
Finally, the money from fines really shouldn't go to Police. That's a terrible incentive structure for them. I would argue theomey should go into some sort of reverse lottery system where you "get" one entry every time you don't speed. The winner is drawn once a month and gets all the revenue from the tickets that month. Rewards food driving, avoids conspiracies and bad incentives.
Or we can just continue to let people speed and people die because someone violating speed limits is seen as a right in the US (by a small minority).
JoseCansecoMilkshake@reddit
speed limits are set for the worst conditions on roads. there's no reason other than ease of changing signage that the speed limit on a highway should be the same in a snowstorm and a dry sunny day.
Grouchy-Spend-8909@reddit
That's just not true. Try going down a motorway when there's a proper snow layer at the speed limit and see how that goes. Or try doing the same in fog.
JoseCansecoMilkshake@reddit
I'm Canadian, I have snow tires and all wheel drive. It's fine.
Grouchy-Spend-8909@reddit
Mate I live in the Alps, I am familiar with the concept of snow tyres. But the assumption that the speed limit is made for the worst conditions is absurd.
How about fog then? You're going down the motorway the limit while you can see barely more than a few metres? What about strong downpours? You always adjust your driving to the current conditions, it's wild that this concept is foreign to someone with a license.
No_Damage_731@reddit
I can’t believe you have to sit on Reddit on Saturday and argue the definition of the word limit. That other guy is an idiot
JoseCansecoMilkshake@reddit
Adjusting your speed to conditions works both ways, though. People slow down when they don't feel as safe, and speed up when they do. There are lots of very straight, well paved highways here that have a nominal limit of 100 km/h but nearly all non-truck traffic is travelling in excess of 120 km/h (and in some places even more). Because everyone feels safe doing it, and have consistently demonstrated that it is safe to do so. But we don't have a separate truck speed limit. We don't have limits adjusted based conditions. It is perfectly legal for me to drive 100 km/h on a highway at night in the fog if the limit is 100 km/h. But 101 on a bright summer afternoon? Nooooo, limits are limits.
Mental_Medium3988@reddit
also they were generally set many years ago when cars were less safe and took longer to stop. people naturally slow down as conditions worsen.
id be a lot more in favor of cameras like this if we increased speed limits on highways and interstates.
Meeganyourjacket@reddit
You think police unions are going to let this change anything for them?
Snoo93079@reddit
Well the fact that they have a new speed camera system suggests that the police union isn't preventing it from happening.
inbeforethelube@reddit
That's because the Police departments are deploying them getting the revenue. This is the problem with this shit. We aren't replacing the authoritarians, we are supplementing them, at our cost, from taxes and from our direct wallets.
purepwnage85@reddit
The alternative would be privately operated with the state paying on a revenue + fee model (company pockets the revenue + fee) sane thing would be to deploy fixed cameras in dangerous areas, people using waze still slow down for those
cubs223425@reddit
No different than a lot of other unions, really. I've worked in them, where automation DRASTICALLY decreases the work processes for administrative staff, yet they complain anytime you ask them to do anything. Had a coworker where 75% of his workload went away through giving him technological tools and he'd sooner use the office printers to make coloring book pages to take home to kids than spend 30 minutes working outside of his assigned duties that had been turned into basically 3 hours of work in a week.
ShiftF14@reddit
Finally, police unions doing something for the public good
joahw@reddit
"speed monitored by aircraft"
cubs223425@reddit
That assumes all police are highloy paid though. You can find publi information on police salaries pretty easily. When I was looking at my home state (IL) 5-ish years ago, the rural counties were making $15/hour or less, compared to urban areas that were over 3 times higher.
And yes, there's consideration for cost of living, but there's no fair definition of "highly paid' when the pay is $13/hour.
Snoo93079@reddit
Well, in my small Chicago suburban town starting salary is $70,000.
I'm not saying they are overpaid but why pay them to run radar instead of doing more important police work?
-GenlyAI-@reddit
That's a slippery slope that I don't like.
ThisGuyLovesSunshine@reddit
Yup.
FluidPart4918@reddit
Agrees the guy with a Ferrari California, Aston Martin Vantage and who knows what else. Lol!
Not hating, just pointing it out 😂
HURCANADA@reddit
How is this relevant at all
LazyAd7151@reddit
Police state is for the rich.
FluidPart4918@reddit
Asks the guy with a Ferrari and Porsche 😂
Again, not hating. More power to you. I’m sure you’ve earned it.
I just think it’s funny.
Go4TLI_03@reddit
Because thanks to how the US (and many other countries, most even) is built, people with money like that often can buy their way out of stuff like that (if you can afford the fine the law doesn't quite count for you like it does for people less well off)
so even if it doesn't mean that they shouldn't complain, it's worth pointing out that someone who's among the least affected by this is the one piping up
Avedas@reddit
Do you not get points and eventually lose your license for speeding infractions?
Quick_Bet5660@reddit
You don’t get points from speed cameras
Avedas@reddit
Damn y'all are lucky
hi_im_bored13@reddit
You can only allocate a ticket from a speed camera to the car, not a specific driver. If you can pay off the fines w/o care its just the cost of doing business
maxipanda8321@reddit
I don t think that s the case in the us of milionaires
GMTMaster_II@reddit
Yup.
coffeebribesaccepted@reddit
Lol I'm sure you'll have such a hard time paying speeding tickets
peanutbuttahcups@reddit
"If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class."
-~~Final Fantasy Tactics~~ LGM
BillyJohnsFinds@reddit
True even with the drivers license point system. I paid to have 16 points (12 points revokes your license) worth of tickets down to 2.
Separate_Teacher1526@reddit
I'd be fine with this if it came with an increase in the base speed limits to more realistically match what people drive.
noSSD4me@reddit
Preach! Speed limits haven’t been updated in like 25-30 years! Car tech and safety has gone a long way to maintain higher speeds. I’m not saying “let’s put 90 mph speed limits” but a lot of roads with 65 can easily safely support like 75-80.
johnsciarrino@reddit
Everything will always be done in the name of safety. Raising the speed limits doesn’t sound safe so they’ll always say lower is better, making it easier to justify money-grab traffic surveillance.
Thing is, statistically, they’re 100% right. Lower speed limits equate to fewer pedestrian deaths and that’s a good thing. There’s really no way to argue it otherwise.
Whether they’re abusing that statistic to enact intrusive enforcement is an entirely different question.
Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit
if youre walking on a highway you forfeit your rights to safety
Spaduf@reddit
Not according to the law in most states.
Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit
less of a law thing and more of a common sense thing, no need to consider pedestrian safety where they really shouldnt be
Spaduf@reddit
I really can't reckon with how stupid that is.
Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit
and that's stupid why? a pedestrian stupid enough to get himself on a highway is going to die at some point or other to some equally stupid actiob
MiliVolt@reddit
There should be no pedestrians on a controlled access highway. The Autobahn is one of the safest freeway systems in the world because people follow the rules and courtesy is the law.
42ATK@reddit
US culture is very different from German culture
errie_tholluxe@reddit
Yeah. Germans have culture. America has slop. We always have.
mrtsapostle@reddit
American culture is consumed by the entire world. We are selfish drivers though
noSSD4me@reddit
Because there’s actual driving that’s being taught and license test is comprehensive. In USA driving license test is a joke, anybody can get it.
the_herbo_swervo@reddit
Which is why I have been saying to make nationwide tests like 2000’s NJ where you actually had to know how to drive to get a license. Reduces idiotic drivers and traffic at the same time such an obvious and simple solution that will never pass bc deep down most of these mfs know they won’t pass
xXplainawesomeXx@reddit
The issue is that if you tried to regulate driving half has strictly in the US as they do in Germany, you would see riots across the country. Everyone wishes to have autobahns in the US (myself included) but no one ever wants to talk about the collective responsibility for everyone to be a good driver that makes autobahns possible in the first place
errie_tholluxe@reddit
Tell that to truck drivers in the deserts of California doing 55 in a 75 because it's safer .
CrestronwithTechron@reddit
Statistically though, higher speeds do not result in more deaths or accidents. It’s the disparity of speed that causes that. The person doing 20 under in the left lane is always going to do 20 under in the left lane. Nothing a speed limit change is going to do about that. Gotta do better driver education.
nondescriptzombie@reddit
Except they're not. In Arizona they went to 55 MPH rates and the rates of car accidents went up on the highway, and were more fatal, because they were between cars doing 90+ and cars doing ~50.
What are pedestrians even doing on the highway?
SnuffleBull@reddit
Raising speed limits doesn’t sound safe because it isn’t. Even with all the new safety equipment on cars, going slower will always be safer when you get into an accident.
DamianWayne413@reddit
Yes because HIGHWAYS are known for having pedestrians
GlobalistCabal@reddit
Pedestrian safety isn’t relevant to an interstate or other divided highway with no intersections.
Few argue that urban or suburban speed limits are too low. It’s th interstates/highways where they should be higher. And at least in my state they practically are as the police won’t bother you at upto 10mph above the limit on the interstate.
ChiggaOG@reddit
The other option is public transportation, but politicians don't care about such projects.
ssxhoell1@reddit
It's not a question, it's just a fact. It's right in front of all of our faces clear as day
hannahranga@reddit
Plenty of vehicles that aren't modern are still kicking around, plus you've also got semi's/trucks with trailers floating around. Speed differentials are one of those things that tend to be rather deadly
CrestronwithTechron@reddit
They’re talking about vehicles from the 80s and earlier. Almost every car 90s+ is safe enough to do 80+
Almost all of these speed limits were set for cars from the 50s and 60s or due to gas rationing.
noSSD4me@reddit
That’s why you pass them as fast as possible
hannahranga@reddit
And when a slow moving vehicle pulls out from side road in front of you?
noSSD4me@reddit
We sit here and debate till end of times about what ifs, what dies that do?
LeeStrange@reddit
Wrong. Human reaction time and braking distances are the two most critical car safety features that have NOT improved since the 1950s, and for lots of vehicles classes they've worsened.
Tires have been the biggest technological improvement in braking, but that technology is usually only seen in motorsports or high performance vehicles.
Manufacturers now are usually releasing cars with low rolling resistance tires, which further worsens braking distance.
You can have a Volvo with all the smart safety features in the world, but that won't stop some cheapskate from putting cheapo rubber on it.
Cars are massive now and people are more distracted than ever.
I'm a car guy but it's scientifically proven that lowering speed limits lowers all risks associated with commuting. Fatal injuries and accidents, etc.
noSSD4me@reddit
Everything you just said is absolute rubbish…
LeeStrange@reddit
How is what I said rubbish? I said that people are more distracted driving now than ever.
Adventurous_Mix_1792@reddit
Incorrect. They might feel safer, but speed limits set based on determining factors such as road characteristics (width, surface type, banking of curves), surrounding land use (residential, commercial, school zones), and prevailing traffic conditions (volume, vehicle types, crash history). Other key factors include the 85th percentile speed, intersection spacing, and pedestrian activity etc
Source: I'm dating a civil engineer. It's hilarious the psychological warfare they can employ to sub-conciously make people uncomfortable and drive the speed limit lol ( shallow shoulders, taller curbs, medians, narrower lanes, etc )
Thee_Sinner@reddit
Whats the deal with measuring speeds with the two cables on roads that already have a speed limit? Isnt that going to just be a feedback loop?
Adventurous_Mix_1792@reddit
if its what I think you're talking about, its not speed but more survey ( so they can get an idea of how many cars are on the road at what time etc ) and that way they can make adjustments to the timing of lights, etc
Thee_Sinner@reddit
If it were just how many cars, theyd only need 1 sensor line, but its two lines precisely spaced out that Im talking about. Im sure its not just speed, but it just seems odd to me to measure that in a place where most people are just going to be doing about what the sign tells them to do.
Adventurous_Mix_1792@reddit
double helps them determine the type of vehicle. It basically is able to determine axle data/distance between axles
Thee_Sinner@reddit
Thats makes a lot more sense. Thanks for helping me out
Adventurous_Mix_1792@reddit
No problem! I have learned more than I ever thought about roadways
JournalistExpress292@reddit
Disagree, speed limits should be 100-110.
noSSD4me@reddit
I’m in California, and a lot of our roads are trash. Even if you remove speed limit, I personally would go faster than 80-85 because the road surface conditions are terrible.
Quick_Bet5660@reddit
On highways, absolutely. On some residential streets, sure.
jzach1983@reddit
Several countries have fines tied to your income.
ArdillasVoladoras@reddit
Avoiding the off topic nature of your comment... maybe don't speed?
cilantno@reddit
US interstate/highway speed limits are very out of date
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
In what way? Not much different from Europe.
Please recall, originally speed limits on interstate were devised to reduce fuel consumption. Last time I checked, driving slower still reduces fuel consumption. Also, human reflexes have not changed. Higher speeds also still increase impact forces during a collision. The cars are safer cages, but people are not better drivers.
If anything, a slower speed limits on interstate makes more sense for the obvious issue with distracted driving we have today.
cilantno@reddit
Cars are much more fuel efficient now and are also much better at braking.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
How does a car being more fuel efficient have anything to do with the fact that cars are more fuel efficient at lower speeds? They are two separate metrics. The goal is to minimize fleet consumption. Better braking does not reduce the average driver’s reaction time.
cilantno@reddit
The standards to which the existing limits were written for are much lower than what current cars are capable of, that should be clear.
Cars are much, much more safe and efficient at speed limits that have existed for decades.
Your argument can be “let’s enjoy the additional safety and fuel savings”, but you are the one who initially brought up fuel consumption for when the limits were originally established.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
My argument has not changed and has no less merit considering your response. There are zero public benefits to higher speed limits.
-----seven-----@reddit
yes because braking tech and not overall driver skill is the one concern. i wouldnt trust people on the road if they had f1 vehicles with the greatest handling and braking on the planet
cilantno@reddit
Mate, speed limits are holding folks back from speeding.
-----seven-----@reddit
yeah, the lack of any consequences are. so, let's bring some consequences to the table
cilantno@reddit
I’d prefer stricter licensing over penalizing speeding.
I’ve never seen a reckless speedster pulled over. I’ve seen folks pulled over for speeding in wide open roads though.
-----seven-----@reddit
both sounds good to me.
ArdillasVoladoras@reddit
You have a 10mph cushion, read the article
cilantno@reddit
Not what your comment was saying? Not what I was discussing? Read your own comment and mine.
ArdillasVoladoras@reddit
I read your comment about out of date speed limits and mine is still relevant, you have a cushion to help address that.
Don't speed, the horror of two cameras instead of one checking how fast you're going!
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Speed limits are holdovers from when we had oil shortages and drove massive barges with tons of body roll
Any modern car can handle far faster speeds
ArdillasVoladoras@reddit
The modern American can't. You have a 10mph cushion, that's plenty.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
A 10 mph cushion is fine assuming the base speed limit is properly assigned for the given road
That’s a lofty assumption
Witherino@reddit
It's not about the cars, it's about the drivers and what the road infrastructure can handle. There's a terribly designed stretch of highway near me that sees fatal accidents regularly. The drivers are not good enough to handle those roads at the current speeds they travel
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
I drive something on 35s with two solid axles. You don't want me driving faster than 75mph on a modern interstate.
elinyera@reddit
Is that how you avoid being profiled in a police state?
ArdillasVoladoras@reddit
The horrors of two speed cameras instead of one gauging speed
_The_Real_Sans_@reddit
Adjust the minimum and maximum speed limits on this road to include 90% of drivers and only ticket the fastest and slowest 5% and I'd have no problem with this.
ArdillasVoladoras@reddit
The cameras give you a 10mph cushion
FreewayPineapple@reddit
Get a load of this guy
animerobin@reddit
Nah it’s “tough on crime” people complaining when we’re being tough on crime.
Billybilly_B@reddit
When driving in Belgium, they had cameras in the highway to detect speeding. Seems not unusual, at least in higher-fatality areas.
GRNCHILEMFN@reddit
Colorado has been solid blue since 2007. Sooo not sure which party you're referring to. Party control
arc777_@reddit
Both parties are working to make it happen
RelevantJackWhite@reddit
he didn't refer to a party
BigFatModeraterFupa@reddit
it’s called implication🤣
argent_pixel@reddit
When it comes to shit like this it's either the nanny state or the police state depending on what party is in power so we lose either way.
moving0target@reddit
As long as they get richer.
ShadowNick@reddit
And those who think "rules for thee but not for me" until it is actually enforced against them.
Global_Chair9652@reddit
Next gen laser jammers just target lock onto known speed cameras or so I fucking hope
DameOClock@reddit
Not being allowed to drive dangerously on public roads = police state
dicknosedelephant@reddit
And rules for thee, but not for me.
The_R4ke@reddit
The time to do something about it is now.
No_Cherry_1423@reddit
What if you just followed the speed limit
mrhandbook@reddit
This is what the 2A is also for
Tutorbin76@reddit
You've never seen a speed camera before?
randomman87@reddit
This is already in Australia and yeah pretty much. The only saving grace is their police officers aren't allowed to use their guns entirely with impunity.
caustictoast@reddit
Ah yes a police state is when we enforce the speed laws
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
you can enforce them with an enforcement officer. not gps track my speed and record/log everywhere i go.
gixxer710@reddit
I hate to break it to ya buddy, but that’s already been done to you for years now, courtesy of Flock Safety. Uncle Sam doesn’t need to GPS track and geo-map you when they have subcontracted it out to the private sector.
-----seven-----@reddit
as long as we agree to make it illegal for any app or something similar to alert drivers of their location so people can't preemptively slow down and avoid them, sure!!
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
Absolutely. These people are disgustingly clueless.
AdmiralZassman@reddit
because they ticket people speeding?
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
A tiny few are profiting from it while the rest who are OK with it go along because it feeds their lizard racist desires. Personally, I saw the first fraction coming in the late '90s, those people always existed, but I wholly underestimated the sheer volume of the latter.
Ihate_reddit_app@reddit
The only thing the government is united on is a surveillance state and taking away our rights.
ham-and-egger@reddit
Good. Everyone drives like maniacs. Bikers and pedestrians are playing frogger for their lives.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
Half are making money from it and the other half are OK with it while actively being harmed by it. The first part, I think a lot of people saw coming in the late '90s, but I'll admit that I didn't anticipate the sheer numbers of people lining up to shill for it.
HedonisticFrog@reddit
Despising police states while thinking 1984 was an instruction manual.
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Seawolf4@reddit
Anyone who says this is for safety is full of shit, the real purpose is to try to squeeze more out of the average, already struggling, American.
animerobin@reddit
Speed cameras have been proven to increase safety
FantomDrive@reddit
Yeah. I don't get why it has to be a conspiracy. You can hate them and agree that they improve safety by slowing down speeds - leading to less severe accidents and better traffic pacing.
If you think it's wrong that's alright - but at least understand the facts.
-----seven-----@reddit
has the average, already struggling american considering not giving themselves a ticket and better fuel usage by following the speed limit?!
Seawolf4@reddit
Ask yourself if this were for safety, then why do these pigs try to camouflage themselves in blind spots? Why not make yourself known so people see you and act accordingly? You know, to promote the “safety” you’re preaching.
Logitech4873@reddit
Average speed cameras aren't camouflaged.
-----seven-----@reddit
because there isnt an officer every 50 feet genius. people slow down when they see an officer and speed up when they pass them. are you in elementary still?
Tutorbin76@reddit
Outrageous! You can't post reasonable ideas like that in this sub.
Logitech4873@reddit
Why? It obviously does improve safety.
CorrectCombination11@reddit
Does driving slower not equal safer trip?
CurlyJeff@reddit
Fixed average speed cameras are more fair than the alternative though, they don’t catch anyone unless they’re speeding for a long time and everyone knows they’re there
RowDisastrous7686@reddit
Lol trust an Australian to defend speed cameras.
CurlyJeff@reddit
They’re by far the lesser of two evils. Trust a dumbfuck american to not understand how they work in practice.
0x706c617921@reddit
This is better than being ticketed by an actual LEO.
Remember than in the United States, speed cameras are inherently unconstitutional for criminal charges. So that’s why they will almost always be merely a civil infraction vs if you got pulled over a cop and it could be a criminal charge.
I’d rather pay a few bucks over going to jail, but that’s just me. 👍
tycoon282@reddit
You haven't had average speed cameras before? Lol
Cool-Bunch6645@reddit
Where have you?
tycoon282@reddit
🇬🇧
Cool-Bunch6645@reddit
Yeah, the US has not had that (to my knowledge) some states do have speed cameras however. My state doesn’t. Oddly enough we had red light cameras but then the state reversed and removed them.
W123lukeof@reddit
In my state it’s illegal to get a ticket if it wasn’t handed to you by a police officer. Essentially they can’t mail you tickets.
The state recently passed a law allowing speed cameras for constructions zones but they are essentially still useless if there isn’t a cop waiting to give you the ticket right there.
b88b15@reddit
The new reality here sucks because if the machine is miscalibrated (which happens all the time) you're boned. Also there's zero incentive for the state to keep it calibrated because they will lose money.
PalmSizedTriceratops@reddit
Lol colorado passed a law saying that these speed camera tickets no longer must be physically presented by an officer to be valid.
It's fucking absurd.
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
Colorado is becomming the new California.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Nah. California makes the fines a civil infraction.
Vic_Vega_MrB@reddit
Vegas too. It shows you it's all about the $$$$.
mHo2@reddit
Even California doesn’t have this shit lol
RsonW@reddit
They've been authorized for construction zones. Pilot programs started January 1st..
TheCrudMan@reddit
There are speed cameras in CA now within cities. I could see average speed cameras being a problem though.
My city has speed cameras but red light cameras are illegal in my county.
ASK_ABT_MY_USERNAME@reddit
Some cities do
gumol@reddit
No.
ASK_ABT_MY_USERNAME@reddit
https://oaklandside.org/2026/01/16/speed-cameras-oakland-tickets-california-pilot-road-safety/
gumol@reddit
this is instantaneous speed cameras, not average speed cameras.
mHo2@reddit
Yea I was referring to the avg speed camera stuff, not ticket without an officer. They are indeed piloting that now.
ugfish@reddit
That is stupid. I imagine this is something a competent attorney can handle. How do they prove who was driving?
I imagine they’re reclassifying these as “fines” but I would still challenge the grounds of those fines.
boofishy8@reddit
They don’t prove who was driving, the ticket is issued to the vehicle owner.
PrivateMarkets@reddit
That’s a modified interpretation of the law. Tickets (but not civil fines) need to be issued to the drive and not the vehicle owner. I don’t think there is anything they can do if you don’t pay since isn’t a violation outside of more fines.
jd1323@reddit
I would assume they would do like PA does with unpaid tolls and make it so you cant register the vehicle.
PrivateMarkets@reddit
Well I register some of my cars with another state. Jokes on them lol
boofishy8@reddit
Just think parking tickets. You can suspend a license for those, you can jail someone for failure to pay, you just can’t give em points.
ssxhoell1@reddit
I thought you could suspend registration but not license. License suspensions have to be due to like DUI or reckless driving or lots of accidents as the driver at fault. Maybe I'm wrong?
boofishy8@reddit
I’d imagine it depends on the state somewhat, but I think most of em will suspend a license for not paying after long enough.
Nasa_OK@reddit
In many countries the priciple is: possession comes with duties.
In Germany the person the car is registered to gets the ticket. Now that person can either pay, name the driver or can claim that he doesn’t know who drove his car. If he does the latter, he doesn’t have to pay the fine but he may be ordered a mandatory drive log book. And there are hefty fines if he gets caught not dillegently filling that out from then on
FalconTurbo@reddit
With a photo, taken by the camera?
If its not you, in Australia you then put in notice saying it wasn't you, with the name of the driver who was actually in control, who then receives the ticket and pays. It's not that complicated.
Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit
What if you said "I don't know, several of my buddies were driving my car that day."
FalconTurbo@reddit
Then either youpay the fine or you get them to come clean. Pretty simple.
Titan0917@reddit
Not in the USA, the 5th amendment protects that.
FalconTurbo@reddit
Alright then, pay the fine for them.
ssxhoell1@reddit
Are your buddies on the insurance? If not, that's another crime.
W123lukeof@reddit
Dang that sucks. Hopefully ky dosnt follow.
jabba_the_nutttttt@reddit
Ky is a shithole. When I lived there recently there were so many things there that were just to take money from the citizens. Especially anything with a car. From no fault insurance being twice the price as normal insurance, and if you buy a cheap car from Facebook for 500 bucks, when you go to title it the government values it at whatever they want and that's the tax rate you pay. So recently I sold a Ford explorer with 315k miles on it to my buddy in ky. The thing is worth 1500 max. They evaluated it as being worth $10k, so my friend had to pay more in taxes than he bought the car for. The fuck.
W123lukeof@reddit
Idk what county clerk you went to but they tax it based on the sale price. Source: my wife just bought a car.
noodlecrap@reddit
always been like that in Italy
maxipanda8321@reddit
Why is that one absurd?
pineapplecharm@reddit
Absurd is an interesting take. How do you feel about, say, prosecuting a thief based on security camera footage? Or would the cop have to catch them in the act too?
ShiftF14@reddit
Stealing is bad, so this comparison doesn’t really work
PalmSizedTriceratops@reddit
You're confusing two things. You have a right to face your accuser in court. If an actual person does not serve you then where does that leave you?
pineapplecharm@reddit
I mean if you want to go to court presumably someone from the police department will show up. They won't drag the cameras down there and put a wig on one and get it to cross examine your sat nav as to your whereabouts on the afternoon of the 17th.
The_Bucket_Of_Truth@reddit
Wonder how long it would take after running a plate blocker before they get you for it
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
In IL they can mail a ticket but it doesnt go against your liscense. Unless a physical cop gives you the ticket...
vuwildcat07@reddit
I think the work zone speed cameras actually photograph the driver and send you a real ticket
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
yea its a legit ticket but i dont think theres points involved - least there used to not be
pinewind108@reddit
I haven't seen a traffic cop in South Korea in 20 years, lol. They tickets show up in the mail, with a clear view of your face. Pay within a few days and get a discount.
BananaPalmer@reddit
In Georgia it's a civil penalty. The ticket doesn't hurt your license or insurance, but if you don't pay it, they won't let you renew your car registration.
hurrrrrrrrrrr@reddit
What's the argument for needing to be handed the ticket in person?
SummertimeThrowaway2@reddit
What state do you live in? Asking for a friend
Useful-ldiot@reddit
Because you have the right to face your accuser
parasthesia_testicle@reddit
Indiana resident
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
Lol is it IL that had to remove them because they were caught purposely shortening the yellow light to generate more tickets?
Cool-Bunch6645@reddit
Wait, they were shortening the Yellow?! That’s some grade A bullshit right there
Realtrain@reddit
Yup
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/shorter-yellow-lights-in-chicago-increase-chances-of-tickets/
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
Good ol IL/chicago corruption
nekmatu@reddit
They got caught doing this in Florida too. It’s a giant scam. The company pays politicians to put the cameras in. The local government gets a cut, the company gets a cut, nothing is any safer, the only losers are the people.
Reduxalicious@reddit
I remember when they had Red light camera's for a brief period in Texas whenI lived there.
A few towns were caught shortening yellows (Tomball Texas for example) also did things such as allow the cameras to flash when turning right on red, even thought right on red was allowed, but you can't fight said ticket.
I don't remember how long they lasted but they were eventually ruled unconstitutional and taken out.
speckyradge@reddit
That was the red light cameras, not the speed cameras. Illinois got financially trapped by the camera company. People learn real quick and slam on their brakea at a yellow. Maybe someone gets rear ended but noone gets a ticket. No ticket, no revenue. But they still need to keep paying paying the camera company for the "service".
Cool-Bunch6645@reddit
NJ, but yeah it was determined to be a money grab. You put these in gridlocked downtown Newark like they were and ticket 5 cars every light change
Realtrain@reddit
In several (most?) states, red light and speed cameras are literally unconstitutional.
ydktbh@reddit
Lmaooo I figured it was normal everywhere, clearly not
Cool-Bunch6645@reddit
Things like this are still very much considered unacceptable government overreach in the US where the government shouldn’t be fucking with your day to day getting by and minding your own business without causing serious dangers to others
WorldlyOriginal@reddit
Driving a multiton vehicle is dangerous. You can’t possibly be saying that the government has no right to regulate driving just because it’s a “daily activity”.
If you agree to that, all this is doing is changing HOW the government enforces speed limits. It’s not that big of a change
Fozzymandius@reddit
This is 100% a cultural difference. In America it is very common for the types of camera that brits live with to get destroyed and vandalized. I’m 100% for it.
EnragedMoose@reddit
It's the US man, it doesn't make sense. The same people that vote against speed cameras will simultaneously vote to end reproductive rights.
InsertWittyNameRHere@reddit
Unless it’s your president fucking kids
MotDePasseEstFromage@reddit
For every 10mph extra you do, the chance of a fatal accident doubles. 30% of all car accidents globally, had excessive speed as a factor. Thats a serious danger to others.
Cranks_No_Start@reddit
Didnt England start forcing the automakers to use speed control by not allowing the car to go above a certain speed based on the signs and cameras?
Zeddyorg@reddit
No
Cranks_No_Start@reddit
Yes
Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) is a mandatory technology in new cars sold in the EU and Northern Ireland since July 7, 2024, designed to prevent speeding. It uses cameras and GPS to detect speed limits, either alerting drivers, adding resistance to the accelerator, or reducing engine power to automatically slow the car.
Yotsubato@reddit
Yeah that’s the world leader in nanny state overreach
Alert_Breakfast5538@reddit
I would look at highway death rate stats of the US, and then come back to this thought. Nanny state or not, it’s way more safe. I’ve lived in the UK for years and I haven’t seen a single major accident on the motorway.
I’m all for rules that keep idiots in check and don’t get me killed by some moron.
Yotsubato@reddit
How about let’s look at highway death rate stats for Germany instead?
Over 55% of fatally injured drivers in the US test positive for opiates, alcohol, or other substances. That is the real killer.
arc777_@reddit
Does arresting people for mean tweets also make Brits safer?
Alert_Breakfast5538@reddit
Mean tweets? You mean that idiot who disclosed the location of migrant accommodation and tried to incite violence against them.
Yeah it actually does
fortysecondave@reddit
This is like comparing apples and oranges. Our roads are very different to begin with and distracted drivers are more of an issue than speeding ones.
Alert_Breakfast5538@reddit
How are they different? I’m American and have lived in the UK for years. Please enlighten me
Alert_Breakfast5538@reddit
Our cameras also catch distracted driving
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
One problem though is that a $75 fine might not deter the rich from just speeding as much as they want and paying it anyway. But it’s a big cost to middle class and poor people
pineapplecharm@reddit
I remember mates' dad's getting tickets on holiday in France in, what, the nineties? They'd time you between the péages and the five would come in the post months later. They'd laugh it off and then get pinched on their next trip for an unpaid fine. Good times.
oralabora@reddit
No we kind of didnt want to be like yall
NONFATBACON@reddit
I hated them in the UK because traffic always bunches up around them. But they did slow people down in construction sites which is a good thing.
dantose@reddit
They're extensively used overseas. I saw a ton of them in Korea. I want to say I remember them being used on some toll roads in the North East, but not positive about that.
Cool-Bunch6645@reddit
You may have seen a speed trap camera but there are no average speed cameras in the Northeast.
dantose@reddit
There were at least rumors about NY issuing tickets based on average time between toll booths more upstate, but it's entirely possible it was just rumors.
GT086@reddit
You can get notices from NY state for that if you use EZPass and I don't know how often you have to do it but you need the EZPass. And I've only personally seen it for ambulances which is hilarious but also just means it's all automated.
Snoo93079@reddit
I drove quite a bit in Germany and they had them. In fact we're the strange ones.
hardinho@reddit
We only tested them, but it was stopped indefinitely because it violates our privacy rights.
Snoo93079@reddit
Ah, this was in the late 2000s
M4NOOB@reddit
I love in Germany and only encountered them in UK and France, but never in Germany. Where about was it?
Snoo93079@reddit
Rheinland Pfalz
M4NOOB@reddit
Ah that makes sense then I guess, I'm never there
Yotsubato@reddit
Germany is the only place in the world where I can agree with them.
Because the fact that unlimited speed zones exist means their law makers have a brain. And I think it is okay to have slower speeds in unsafe areas
MRDR1NL@reddit
Unlimited speed then a 100km sign with a speed cam right behind it. Meaning you have to brake hard as soon as tou see the sign. Very brain. Very safe.
axck@reddit
Super common in UK for years unfortunately
vuwildcat07@reddit
Italy has them on the highways. Speed limits are around 80 MPH though. Doesn’t seem to be that much of a deterrent
TheCrudMan@reddit
Most of Europe lol
The_Owl_Man_1999@reddit
We've had them in Australia for a long time, people still try to trick them by slamming on the brakes before the end point not realising they're doing average speed
caustictoast@reddit
Australia is where I first heard of them
mgobla@reddit
almost all of europe
MajinAnonBuu@reddit
california
gumol@reddit
nope, no average speed limit cameras in California
cpxchewy@reddit
SF, Oakland, and LA are getting them this year. SF already started i think.
halcykhan@reddit
No inspections, no red light cameras, no speed cameras, no average speed cameras, minimal toll roads in many areas of the US
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
And it better stay that way. Seems like the UK your not allowed to fart unless everyone in a 25 meter area is notified in writing and an environmental survey is done.
BigRigs63@reddit
It's a trade off.
There's also a reason that per capita the US has so many more road deaths in the western world (and its not close).
Per 100k people the US has 14.2 deaths, compared to the UK where its 2.6 deaths. Or Germany where its 3.3, or Slovenia where its 4.0, or Belgium where its 4.6, etc
There is huge overreach in the UK on the roads, but it isn't Avg Speed Camera's/Red Light camera's/strict yearly inspections/etc. You shouldn't run a red light, and you should get punished. Same for heavy speeding, having a car in a unsafe condition, etc.
Fozzymandius@reddit
The US also drives an average twice as far per annum per capita and we have a serious issue with walkability. The main issue is not highway related deaths where speed cameras work, it is pedestrian and bicycle death rates which have gone UP and that is an issue of road design. I’ve travelled pretty extensively and the difference is stark in road design in suburban/urban areas.
BigRigs63@reddit
What % increase would you expect given the average is about twice as high?
100%? 200%? You probably wouldn't be expecting a 450% increase based on 2x miles.
Per capita is a way more meaningful metric than miles driven if you're trying to measure road safety as a social outcome. If the question is "how safe is it to live here as a road user", per capita answers that, per-km doesn't.
A Belgian doing 6-7k miles a year is less likely to die on the road than an American doing 13k. The real lived risk to the average person is what actually matters when judging whether a country's road system is safe for the people living in it.
Before you read ahead, I imagine you probably already agree that there are more deaths on US highways when compared to Germany, UK, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States#United_States_compared_to_other_nations
The numbers also back it up.
Per billion KM on motorways only, Denmark is at .72 deaths, the Autobahn at 1.74 (with a note that the unrestricted areas have 30% more deaths). In the US is 3.38.
A 370% increase, a 100% increase.
Just trying to argue that your road safety fucking sucks compared to the rest of the western world. It doesn't just need reform in the way of more enforcement, but it absolutely needs more enforcement.
Fozzymandius@reddit
Per capita is as important as per distance when you consider that road deaths consequently go up in a culture that uses cars more. Imagine saying that a country 1 million pop with 1 car and 1 road that kills 1 person per year is the safest country when it means that one person driving barely 1000 miles per year kills a person every year? Your per capita numbers would be nonexistent. Your deaths per 100,000 number would 0.1, the lowest in the world but you'd have a serial killer on the loose.
I'm not saying that these things excuse Americas bad numbers, I'm saying that put them in context.
Let me be clear, America is the worst at this. But there is more to the story than your initial comment lets on, and mine wasn't even meant to showcase all of it. Road deaths are multivariate in cause and there's a lot to look at as to why countries have high road deaths and speed cameras aren't a panacea or even in my opinion a good fix for the issue.
tujuggernaut@reddit
Belgium and Slovenia are slightly higher than the US in terms of deaths / distance.
BigRigs63@reddit
Happy someone picked up on that, included those for a reason.
Per capita is a much more meaningful measure for evaluating overall road safety as a social outcome. If we want to ask ourselves "How safe is this country to live in as a road user", then per capita is better and not per-km.
A Belgian chap who only does 6-7k miles a year has a lower chance of death than the american who does 13k. The actual lived risk to the average person is whats important for finding out if a countries road system is safe for its population.
Fantastic point. A big accident in the UK, there's absolutely a hospital nearby. There's nearby police, ambulance, fire service, air ambulance, etc. I'm speaking out of my arse here, but my vibes and my watching of american media tells me that is not the case at all like it is in much smaller eu countries where we're all closer together.
tujuggernaut@reddit
In Europe, people can and do chose to not use the road system. This is virtually impossible in the US with virtually no inter-city rail links and few cities with metro rail. It feels like your argument is that EU roads are more safe, and this is probably true, but it's skewed by large portions of the population that barely drive. Again, this is a choice that is much more possible in Europe. It's functionally impossible to avoid road vehicles in the US and live your life outside some select areas.
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
exactly, if i dont have a car i am virtually screwed. i could concevably bike to work (might take 45 minutes and walk up certian steep ass hills) but high risk of getting hit by cars due to no infrastructure or mugged and bike stolen on the way....
Logitech4873@reddit
Speed cameras improve road safety. The US has really bad road death statistics. It's about time.
pandaSmore@reddit
Well you can provided you are issued a loisence.
ssxhoell1@reddit
Must show evidence of ability to contain toxic chemicals before release into environment. Failure to do so and report to the government in a timely manner will result in your arrest and internment in a government reeducation camp for no less than 90 days up to life.
EnragedMoose@reddit
Local council will still say no.
-----seven-----@reddit
"man why are our automotive related pedestrian death rates so high compared to the rest of the world? meh, better keep allowing drivers to do whatever they want with no consequences!"
boofishy8@reddit
Yes, the highway is famous for pedestrian death rates.
-----seven-----@reddit
yeah its a good thing there are no other potential crash or accident metrics to use for highways
boofishy8@reddit
Says the man using pedestrian safety to justify speed cameras on highways
-----seven-----@reddit
heres a reminder of the parent comment this thread is on
i wonder, are all of these specifically highway related?
litlron@reddit
I love the taste of boot leather too. What's your favorite? Chromexcel is exquisite but you don't see it often on government workers.
-----seven-----@reddit
good response moron, you really got me good and explained how this thread was strictly about highways!
BuriedMystic@reddit
40,000 deaths a year in the U.S. 30% due to speeding, which has been consistent for decades. But the covert conservative diaspora in r/cars doesn’t wanna hear that 😂
FRSBRZGT86FAN@reddit
Speeding is involved in roughly 30% of fatal crashes NHTSA’s been reporting that for years but 'involved’ doesn’t mean it’s the only cause those crashes usually have multiple factors like alcohol, no seatbelt, etc.....
-----seven-----@reddit
"man why are our automotive related pedestrian death rates so high compared to the rest of the world? meh, better keep allowing drivers to do whatever they want with no consequences!"
Affectionate-Ant8@reddit
This is the land of the free m8
billythygoat@reddit
I think median works better /s
tiagojpg@reddit
S tier joke 🏆
avboden@reddit
Yep, Waze already warns of these in my area tells you where it starts and ends
Hungry-Appointment-9@reddit
Yup, it has different notifications for average speed cameras, cellphone usage cameras and regular speed cameras but weirdly enough they don’t have one for the red light cameras.
Also re:average speed cameras you can just time yourself to overtake a truck on the initial camera and then go about your business without worries, and I speak from extensive experience
bamacal@reddit
I was in London last month and saw this in action when traveling with taxi drivers, this is too ridiculous. It really does not work in any practical sense
Oo0o8o0oO@reddit
I’m surprised they haven’t worked this into ezpass already. They’d make a fortune.
hoemax@reddit
they have them on Jeju Island in Korea… this just sounds like that and your GPS already knows how to live calculate them bc it’s literally distance/time
questionname@reddit
That’s not the flex you think it is
Everything_Breaks@reddit
Doctors hate this one weird trick for avoiding speeding tickets! See more...
MasterK999@reddit
The system allows 10 miles per hour over before you get a ticket. Seems reasonable in most situations.
half_regard@reddit
it the automated surveillance that's the problem, genius
animerobin@reddit
So it’s better when a cop does it?
half_regard@reddit
no
MotDePasseEstFromage@reddit
You carry a literal tracking device on you at all times (mobile phone). Why are you worried about sited cameras
nekmatu@reddit
What a massive logical fallacy. One is a system owned and operated by the government with no warrant required. The other needs a warrant and probable cause to access. These are not remotely the same thing.
And before you go there…the fact that the government buys location data from brokers to sidestep the 4th Amendment is also an issue. That’s the same problem, not a justification for adding more to the pile. It should also disgust you.
half_regard@reddit
Do you have brain damage?
Fishinabowl11@reddit
Might be reasonable if speed limits were reasonably set. There is nothing reasonable about highway limits in the 60s or 70s.
animerobin@reddit
Highway limits are reasonable
ApolloPredditor@reddit
Lick that boot
WEASELexe@reddit
I'd honestly take off my license plate lol
Logitech4873@reddit
Please try that.
WEASELexe@reddit
Haven't felt the need to yet here in socal besides one time me and a large group were cruising to a meetup spot and we took a toll road.
Logitech4873@reddit
Wtf is your issue.
WEASELexe@reddit
Lol think what you want but at least we do stupid shit in abandoned areas late at night rather than doing takeovers in the middle of city streets. Cops would rather break up our drag racing meets than catch the drunk driver who hit my neighbors car last night.
MotorcycleCar@reddit
You'd honestly get an officer go after you,give you a ticket ,and mpound your car lol.
WEASELexe@reddit
Yeah I wouldn't do it all the time but especially if I'm out to go racing id probably just take the risk. I really need to get a new engine I just blew mine at 140mph lol(before anybody freaks out it was on a straight empty road with nobody around.)
spooksmagee@reddit
Watching the under 25 year olds on this subreddit lose their minds over this is hilarious.
Downvotes don't negate the fact that high speed is one of the top 3 contributing factors to deaths and serious injuries in crashes.
Enjoy your tickets.
nonaveris@reddit
So due process isn’t important to you?
spooksmagee@reddit
You can dispute the ticket in court.
nonaveris@reddit
According to Colorado, you get an "administrative hearing", not court.
Logitech4873@reddit
It's a speed camera. What due process? You drive too fast, you get a fine.
nonaveris@reddit
Modaxo give you that line?
Logitech4873@reddit
Who?
vagabond139@reddit
If they actually cared about lives they would start revoking licenses way more frequently, start giving people points, have a driving test that isn't a joke, enforce other driving laws more, throw the entire bookcase at DUI's, etc.
If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class. This is solely about the money.
Jakeattack77@reddit
And people wonder why so many drive without plates or expired ones....
JackTheBehemothKillr@reddit
By law, show me my accuser.
d4ybrake@reddit
The state?
How do you think murder charges work?
JackTheBehemothKillr@reddit
Murder charges work because they have evidence and you get a chance to face your accuser. Literally sit across from them while they testify as witnesses.
A camera is not a witness. A camera is a piece of technology that can malfunction.
d4ybrake@reddit
I'm not a lawyer but that is definitely not how the law works, lmfao
The_Owl_Man_1999@reddit
And if you think something was up with the camera, dispute it. That's what people do over here if they think the camera was wrong.
Having it so you're only allowed to be ticketed by a physical officer sounds wild to me considering how little I see highway patrol around, out of anyone who's been booked recently (like the last 10-15 years) in my family only one of them got caught by a cop, the rest were all various cameras. (Average speed, mobile speed camera, regular and red light cameras)
Logitech4873@reddit
Speed cameras are reliable. They've been using them for ages.
JackTheBehemothKillr@reddit
And multiple states have outlawed them for a variety of reasons, most having to do with the reasons I mentioned above.
Argument can be made in one state, it can be made in another.
Logitech4873@reddit
We know that these work, and the US has a massive problem with road deaths. This is going to have a positive impact on accident and death statistics.
JackTheBehemothKillr@reddit
No. It wont.
Multiple studies have shown that people drive the speed they feel most comfortable with, regardless of other factors.
Until we start adopting something like fines based on percentage of income, or somwthing similar no one has any incentive to drive slower.
Logitech4873@reddit
Yes it will lol. https://roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/norwegian-study-indicates-benefits-of-average-speed-enforcement-4002/
JackTheBehemothKillr@reddit
A Norwegian study, with Norwegian laws and drivers is supposed to be relevant to American drivers and American laws? When I specifically said that until America adopts a more Scandinavian fee schedule, nothing will change?
Ok.
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animerobin@reddit
By law, speeding is illegal
Logitech4873@reddit
Huh? You don't know how speed cameras work or?
nerdpox@reddit
thank god speed cameras are illegal on all state highways in CA
TempleSquare@reddit
That law changed recently, unfortunately.
Logitech4873@reddit
Well hopefully that changes.
durrtyurr@reddit
This would be insanely illegal here in Kentucky. Only officers can issue tickets.
Atomichawk@reddit
CO used to have this rule until recently. Our state legislators constantly put forth legislation that restricts freedom even though no one voted for anything near what they propose. It’s asinine. And I say this as a left leaning voter.
m0viestar@reddit
What did they change about this?
deathray420@reddit
They made the speed camera tickets civil tickets which are enforceable even if they aren't handed to you. However, traffic tickets must still be handed to you. So basically the speed camera tickets can't affect your driving record but they can force you to pay the fine by penalty of law even though it was not physically handed to you. I'm honestly kinda surprised we haven't seen anyone attempt some kind of mail in scam tickets off this premise, seems like it would be pretty easy considering this law seemingly ignores civilian protections
TempleSquare@reddit
It's a handout to a vendor.
They want to sell these bullshit cameras so they lobby to get the law changed. I guarantee you each and every contract has the vendor collecting 50% of the revenue.
Remember it's not about safety. It's about making a vendor rich.
m0viestar@reddit
I've heard they always could enforce it, I know some DAE folks had to pay if come registration time if they ignored it. Just stupid all around, that stretch of highway could be 85mph if they wanted
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nekmatu@reddit
This whole thread is literally about politics and cars?
yanman@reddit
Horseshoe theory
OR_Miata@reddit
I think there are states that have this rule and the way they get around it is that an officer reviews the ticket before it goes out
8P69SYKUAGeGjgq@reddit
Texas had this and even the "officer reviews it" loophole didn't stand up in court. We completely kicked out red light and speed cameras.
TempleSquare@reddit
California had them licked pretty good. But now speed cameras are sneaking their way back in.
I wouldn't mind if it went after atrocious speeding (25 plus over the limit). But there's no money in that. And the creepy vendors that sell this stuff realize that most of the money on the people barely doing 10 over.
And honestly, in America 10 over is not dangerous in 90% of places. Most especially on the freeway!
avboden@reddit
It also has no points on the record in May states and is more of a parking ticket enforcement wise and if you just say you weren’t driving they have to drop it.
ugfish@reddit
Officer Gemini reporting for duty 👮♂️
Logitech4873@reddit
Why?
PBP2024@reddit
"iNsAnElY iLlEgAl" god damn I hate idiots like you that say shit like this. What in the fuck is "insanely" illegal?!? Also you're wrong, Kentucky does have speed cameras.
Lauzz91@reddit
Wait until the private company (RedFlex etc) starts bribing (sorry! I mean "lobbying") the right people and you will get them on every intersection and straight section of road
Linkruleshyrule@reddit
Same in Missouri, even though they're trying to bring it back again.
slidingscrapes@reddit
Have you guys never seen "SPEED ENFORCED BY AIRCRAFT" signs on the highway? This is exactly how that works, they time you between two distinct landmarks visible to them from the air and determine your average speed.
Logitech4873@reddit
What??? By aircraft?
Aussie_5aabi@reddit
Yes. In remote areas in Australia the police use aircraft to enforce speed limits.
Maxshwell@reddit
What does this have to do with waze? Dumb headline
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
Cuz waze lets you report where cops are sitting taking radar.
Aussie_5aabi@reddit
Waze shows and alerts for fixed speed, average speed, red light, mobile phone use and seat belt cameras in Australia just fine.
Joatboy@reddit
Waze is pretty good at giving you a heads-up on speedtraps. This renders that warning moot since it's calculating the speed between 2 largei-sh points, not just a single point. So you can't speed up after the first camera.
mrblue6@reddit
It won’t render Waze moot, Waze shows average speed camera zones as well
Logitech4873@reddit
But you have signs showing them too, right?
SDEexorect@reddit
yep, waves have saved me so many times especially driving in states like VA where they are extremely anal about speeding and radar detectors are illegal
7ECA@reddit
I worry more that they have to track every license plate for this to work far more than it being used to give out tickets. The government tracking your every movement is another creeping step to total authoritarianism
Aussie_5aabi@reddit
We have number plate recognition cameras on pretty much every main road in every suburb in Australia. All petrol stations have them too.
Their sole purpose is to track vehicle movements.
Makes it easy to find criminals and stolen cars.
Nothing wrong with it.
DreadJak@reddit
This, 1000%. They've invested heavily in putting Flock and competitors in their cities too. Full ride on the authoritarian express.
Sad_Designer_4608@reddit
Apparently Denver terminated their contract with Flock too, but who knows what they'll contract with next.
Zarfa@reddit
I feel like the general population has somehow developed amnesia for government overreach.
People who bring up that "the government could use this for privacy invasion" get accused of being conspiracy theorists... even though the government has been caught doing exactly that MULTIPLE TIMES.
animerobin@reddit
What do you think license plates are for
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
Its FLOCK on steroids. Flock cameras in IL have been used by out of state cops tracking women entering IL to seek abortions. ICE has also used it to track down people.
They will chalk it up as "for your safety" bullshit as usual
Hello99399@reddit
What in the ass? How have I never heard that we have these here? What kinda hell are we living in? :(
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
theres 12,000 of em in the state with pritzker budgeting for thousands more. i literally cannot leave my neighborhood and get more than a block away without getting tracked every time. And i have 3 exit routes to take....
sponge_welder@reddit
Visit the DeFlock map to observe the surveillance state closing in on everyone
Plus they are incredibly insecure, so randos at the local PD or anyone with a modicum of hacking experience can access live video feeds automatically zoomed in on anything that could be of interest
Time-Maintenance2165@reddit
Theyre already doing that at all entrance and exit points (and plenty of other places) in every medium and larger size metropolitan area.
MaybeNext-Monday@reddit
Hot take but if we're going to do speed limit cameras, they shouldn't be circumvented by just knowing where they are. Not saying we *should* do them, but it's just like radar detectors. The only utility it offers you is driving recklessly more effectively.
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
I think jetemy clarkson said something like this: since they are average speed cameras you can just floor it go 100mph then pull over and wait till enough time has passed to hit the next camera to average 60
runway31@reddit
Im fully prepared to do this lol
Logitech4873@reddit
Why? Get a grip.
runway31@reddit
Cause speed and acceleration is fun. Id rather enjoy my car how I want to. You get a grip lol
Logitech4873@reddit
Speed on a track, not public roads.
Logitech4873@reddit
In practice nobody does this.
yeahow@reddit
wrong answer
Black_Raven_2024@reddit
If the cameras are actually there to slow traffic for construction zones then they still serve their purpose even when you know their locations.
AThrowawayProbrably@reddit
You want retractable license plates? Because that’s how you get retractable license plates
Logitech4873@reddit
That should lose you your license instantly.
The_Owl_Man_1999@reddit
That kind of thing if caught with it actually gets you prison time in australia
EfficientTourist7480@reddit
As someone who lives in CO, this shit is cancer
Lucifur142@reddit
I hear in the UK, where they've perfected the surveillance state, people are taking back their towns and cutting camera poles down.
speckyradge@reddit
I'm originally from the UK where these came in about 20 years ago so I can tell you where it ends up. In a few months you'll find people suddenly braking and pulling across traffic to sit in the hard shoulder and wait it out. It will briefly generate revenue and then cause accidents and then eventually it does nothing but cost the state money.
Logitech4873@reddit
I've never seen anyone do this.
fhs@reddit
This is trash level commentary. I've driven in a country that does implement a similar system and no one does that.
speckyradge@reddit
Well it happened when they were introduced where I used to live so it will be interesting to see what happens here. Maybe so many people don't have their cars registered that it doesn't matter. And maybe Scotland is unique because they have to be so heavily sign posted.
SerialExperimentLean@reddit
I have never seen anyone do that in my life
masterventris@reddit
Literally nobody does that, what even is that claim?
There are multiple cameras every half mile, and if your average is higher in any section you get a ticket. You can't speed through it all and then stop before the last camera for 5 minutes.
hannahranga@reddit
Admittedly the single one I've driven through in Australia has a road house in the middle that I normally stop for a coffee and hot chips in. Does make it slightly silly in my boots but eh.
wtfomg01@reddit
Yeah, sounds like a comment straight from the bottom of a Daily Heil article.
LuukLucky@reddit
Lol, even when there aren't sections (like here in the Netherlands) people still don't do this. Idk what that other guy was smoking.
FlatoutGently@reddit
Absolute rubbish 😂😂
WorldlyOriginal@reddit
Do you have proof of this? And no, a few anecdotes isn’t proof— you can find a few examples of bad actors in anything.
From the research that I’ve seen from sources like NHTSA and IIHS, point-to-point/corridor/average speed cameras WORK and are safer than the current methods, where some ppl will slam on the brakes when they see a cop, or their Waze tells them there’s one.
Yes, there will be a transition period where behaviors change. But after that period, the majority of drivers DO adjust to a common behavior, which is safe.
speckyradge@reddit
You're just saying the same thing I am. It goes: Fines, period of bullshit fine avoidance, long tail of no fines. I don't need to prove shit having seen it with my own eyes. I would bet you and no single member of the American NHTSA has ever driven from Glasgow to Prestwick.
The question is who is being paid for the cameras? If this is the same shit Illinois and Chicago ended up in, somebody is making bank, some politicians got some nice vacations and we're stuck with Flock 2.0. The UK had to change the law for this stuff. Police forces weren't allowed to keep the fines they levied because that would create a perverse incentive. When the speed cameras came in that had to change so that they could fund the speed cameras. It became a snake that ate it's own tail.
Remember that California regulations state "this law creates new crime".
wwwhatisgoingon@reddit
This whole "it'll never work here" argument is usually pretty thin. Average speed checks exist all over Europe and in Australia and work.
And yes, I've driven from Prestwick to Glasgow. It's a bit boring, that's all.
Police forces should never get the revenue from fines directly, that's just a sensible rule to change. The fact the US hasn't fixed this basic thing doesn't make the theory of Average Speed Cameras invalid.
0-27@reddit
The two of you made opposite points and you also ignored his point about it being safer, and that's the big piece here. (side note- I drove with these in Europe for years and they're great. Even better are the cameras in Australia that auto-fine you for having your phone in your hand while driving. Ik...'muh freedom!'.
But Americans losing their minds over 'data tracking' while their iPhone sits in their pocket or hand is peak irony. I say this as an American.
Finally, flock is fantastic- we're seeing them catching criminals every day in Oakland. Police don't chase around here anymore (safer roads baby), just wait for a camera to flag and they go pick them up.
speckyradge@reddit
We aren't making opposite points.
Whether it's safer highly depends on where they put them.
You and everyone else is ignoring the business case being built on the fines which evaporate when people adjust, in state with a $1.5B budget hole.
You live in Oakland, not Denver, where I live and where this about.
I lived just south of Oakland for 6 years, OPD famously never shit either way so your bar is real fucking low. Only place an In & Out ever closed lol. Secondly Flock doesn't help if they're driving around with expired temp plates from 2023 which if you actually lived here would occur to you. Thirdly it's already getting yanked from various towns here for creating false accusations and data illegally being shared with ICE so if you support that get fucked.
0-27@reddit
Take a deep breath and settle down there fella. To your 2nd sentence- avg speed cameras are LITERALLY safer, full stop. They can cut serious or fatal accidents by as much as 50% in areas they are used. (And I lived in Denver but once again not relevant to this point because anecdotes are meaningless when data paints another story).
Taking pot shots at Oakland because of issues and the in-an-out closing is the go-to argument of the you know who these days so big yikes there, while the flock ARE working despite your really aggressive feelings that they don't (once again, look at the data > 11% higher clearance rate but you'll ignore that) and you'd be surprised how high a % are committed by people in their OWN cars...it's actually stunning. Then again... you know flock works just as good with stolen plates as well, right? Just think that comment you made over for a moment there....
The ICE part is awful, full stop. But dude, be logical, learn to think, understand the world is not mutually exclusive and that there is nuance.
0-27@reddit
Take a deep breath and settle down there fella. To your 2nd sentence- avg speed cameras are LITERALLY safer, full stop. They can cut serious or fatal accidents by as much as 50% in areas they are used. And your comment about fines is entirely irrelevant to what I said. (I also lived in Denver but once again not relevant to this point because anecdotes are meaningless when data paints another story).
Taking pot shots at Oakland because of crime and the in-an-out closing is the go-to argument of the right these days so big yikes there, while the flock ARE working despite your really aggressive feelings that they don't (once again, look at the data > 11% higher clearance rate but you'll ignore that) and you'd be surprised how many of those are committed by people in their OWN cars...it's actually stunning.
The ICE part is awful, full stop. But dude, be logical, learn to think, understand the world is not mutually exclusive and that there is nuance.
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wwwhatisgoingon@reddit
You're completely correct.
Not sure what issue r/cars has with your comment, since there's plenty of sourced material out there in many countries that shows improved safety statistics.
wwwhatisgoingon@reddit
Absolutely nobody does this in the UK. Who is upvoting this complete nonsense?
Source: drive through them regularly.
Logitech4873@reddit
Why?
xDarknal@reddit
Literally just more revenue for the state on top of the excess surveillance, ready to just pack up in a few years once I can
Vague_Disclosure@reddit
I’m sure all that extra state revenue will be put to good use /s
deadly_shroom@reddit
Yeah maybe they’ll fix all the fucking roads or properly fund DPD so that they’re actually not useless (if you get hit by another car for example, you’re lucky if DPD shows up within 2 hrs lol) because otherwise they’ll never get fixed thanks to fucking TABOR laws.
RedPepperWhore@reddit
DPD will always be useless regardless of how much money they get. Its actually an attitude problem, they dont care.
deadly_shroom@reddit
Lol no it’s not. My girlfriend’s dad works for the DOJ and he has to cross state lines to capture fugitives and every time he comes to CO he complains about it. The police department is severely undertrained, is understaffed and as little as 5 cops can be on duty responding to calls in radiuses that span dozens of miles. This is all because of a severe lack of underfunding every year. Colorado has to vote for new taxes to be placed or increase in taxes and the state has tricked Coloradans into thinking this is true democracy when in reality Colorado has dipped in education quality, infrastructure, and safety because of TABOR laws all for people to get a couple dollars in their pocket every tax season. If you’re afraid of corruption, then push for politicians that genuinely care about what matters to you and push for stronger representation at the house level.
But asking people in the US to pick up a book and learn a thing or two about politics and law is asking for too much these days very clearly.
RedPepperWhore@reddit
Thats nice that your girlfriends dad has professional experience being a cop in a neighboring state. Im sure that makes you an expert on police in Denver. If your main pont is that you dislike TABOR, Im not arguing against that. Im familiar with how it works as a resident of CO. I AM arguing against throwing extra money at DPD and hoping things get better from that alone. Anecdotally, any time there's a parade for the Nuggets or the Rockies DPD very visibly has multiple groups of cops 20 strong parading around in their special forces gear riding on APCs. Regardless there are plenty of examples of DPD spending time and money unwisely. How about they spend the money they already get in a more efficient manner?
We're on a thread about speeding cameras, do you really think giving the police more money is going to limit or reduce the surveillance state? You initially said said that you hoped the speeding camera ticket revenue would improve Denver Police Department (DPD) practices, I was and still am saying: thats unlikely.
SDEexorect@reddit
yep for more cameras
2BigBottlesOfWater@reddit
Where do you go though? It's only a matter of time until it's all police states. In Canada we are getting government "grocery stores". Nothing beats being told what I can and can't eat by the government, if I'm even allowed in there.
beerob81@reddit
Because you can’t speed?
CalculatorClicker@reddit
What did your local representation say when you reached out to let them know you were against it?
ssxhoell1@reddit
I'm sure you can vote your way out of it, don't give up! Maybe hold the sign on the corner of the road and jingle a cowbell around or something
ch0lula@reddit
wait I actually wanted to move to Denver. hold on....
-----seven-----@reddit
out of curiosity, do you follow the speed limit?
Avedas@reddit
I don't because the police purposefully set the limits artificially low in order to boost ticket revenue whenever they need to. When the flow of traffic is a solid 30kph higher than the limit without issue then the limit is stupid.
-----seven-----@reddit
huh, i didnt realize speed limits were set the by the police, interesting. but yeah i guess if everyone is breaking the law then its really not a problem! that's how that works after all
ConverseCLownShoes@reddit
Does it matter?
-----seven-----@reddit
yeah actually. what? how the fuck wouldn't it lmao
bluecifer7@reddit
No the real cancer is how people drive in this country
CalculatorClicker@reddit
As someone who lives in CO then, I'm sure you've made your opinions clear to your representation?
Tutorbin76@reddit
How so?
We've had these things for years and they haven't caused any problems for law-abiding drivers.
andygchicago@reddit
These cameras are intended to protect law abiding citizens. It’s the law breaking citizens you should be concerned about, who will continue to speed and slam the brakes or pull over after speeding, as many who have lived with these cameras have shared
vaultdweller1223@reddit
Anything to avoid increasing property taxes in that dumbass state. Blue state but underneath it there's a hell of a lot of eco libertarianism going on
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
I think I’d honestly move because of that
Vic_Vega_MrB@reddit
Get a drone equip it with some corrosive spray...or something more explosive and take care of the problem.
Logitech4873@reddit
Reported.
Vic_Vega_MrB@reddit
Reported? To what?... The Reddit mod police. It's okay. I already got a record.
yeahow@reddit
bro the drone tek
Briggs281707@reddit
Let's hope some high up court shuts this average speed bullshit down
DingerSinger2016@reddit
Wouldn't it just be easier to shoot it in the middle of the night?
8N-QTTRO@reddit
Yeah, but a ton of the "don't tread on me" gun nuts who used to shoot these things down have recently found a deep love for being tread on.
YouAreMentalM8@reddit
Isn't Colorado typically known as a blue state?
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nekmatu@reddit
Aint that the fucking truth.
ssxhoell1@reddit
🤫
Logitech4873@reddit
Why? It's a good idea. These work, they make people drive at the speed limit.
BuriedMystic@reddit
I’m in favor of this. Public roads are not racetracks. If you wanna race go to the track. If you can’t afford the track stop speeding brokie.
AuDHDMDD@reddit
Getting caught on camera going 10 over due to simple ignorance is not the same as cutting it up on the freeway. Both get the same treatment with this camera
-----seven-----@reddit
if you're speeding out of ignorance of the speed limit go return your license you literal liability
AuDHDMDD@reddit
Ignorance doesn't mean malice
-----seven-----@reddit
i think youre forgetting the fact that that doesn't fucking matter you are driving a multi ton hunk of metal at speed. pay attention ffs jesus christ
AuDHDMDD@reddit
You're also driving a hunk of metal junk, and you've also been in an "oops" situation, and you've also driven in an area where the speed limit drops for a bit, maybe you didn't have the cop that happens to catch you while you were slowly coasting to the correct speed. You've also made minor mistakes that you don't judge yourself you
It's easy to be an armchair judge when you don't understand nuance
-----seven-----@reddit
except ive had exactly this happen to me. it was fucking aids, but i paid the fine. i was speeding. the nuance here is you ought to pay some attention when youre driving and repeatedly speeding is a problem. and be fucking real, most people aren't going "oopsy the speed limit just dropped 20 mph all of a sudden!" theyre just speeding.
i make mistakes but i absolutely judge myself for them. i paid that fine for a reason, even if i thought it was stupid (we were all slowing down anyway since there was a red light, i just didnt slow down fast enough i guess). i just have the sense to know that just because people make mistakes doesnt mean we should flippantly wave them through when those mistakes have the potential to cost lives
AuDHDMDD@reddit
Keep moving the goalposts to suit yourself. Have a good day
-----seven-----@reddit
no goalpost was moved lmfao, you just hate the idea of paying attention while youre on the road. average r/cars user who thinks driving is an inalienable right, jesus christ
AuDHDMDD@reddit
I drive stick and pay attention, my car is busy so I have to be careful. However, I have enough abstract thought to know that ignorance doesn't mean malice. And ignorance doesn't mean you're not paying attention. You only have the cognitive rigidity to put malice on others but excuse and justify yourself. That's the goalpost
-----seven-----@reddit
you keep focusing on malice like the person you read end or run over is going to give a shit whether or not you had any malice. this is straight up just you refusing to hold yourself and others to a higher standard. being ignorant about the speed limit does mean youre not paying attention. good lord someone please take your license away, along with all the idiots in this thread
AuDHDMDD@reddit
You aren't understanding my point, or you refuse to understand it. Or you lack the theory of mind to see situations outside of your own. I'm not sure which one or whether I have the crayons to explain the former
-----seven-----@reddit
your point seems to be that people dont make mistakes on purpose and they have no ill will when doing it. what im saying is, yes, obviously. but also obviously, that doesnt mean you can just keep making mistakes and not being punished for it when the mistakes youre making have the potential to injure or even kill. its actually an extremely simple concept when you can take accountability for yourself instead of making excuses the entire time. manslaughter is a crime for a reason, even when its, by definition, accidental and free of malice.
AuDHDMDD@reddit
You are making a mountain out of my mole hill. With all due respect, talk to your therapist about your temper tantrum and need for rigid control in your life. Also, read up about emotional intelligence.
God speed
-----seven-----@reddit
talk to your therapist about not speeding and how to hold yourself, a grown adult, accountable for your actions. emotional intelligence has nothing to do with using your eyes to view road signs as you drive your roughly 2000lb minimum car that has surging pedestrian deaths and vehicle accidents in the us. just be honest if you want to speed and stop making crappy excuses. accidents happen. we both acknowledge that. make an effort to prevent those accidents and accept responsibility when you make those mistakes. these are basic concepts any adult should understand.
nekmatu@reddit
Except municipalities have a history of setting these traps purely to bring in revenue. This has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with paid off politicians.
If the camera company only charged for the camera and never got a dime of speeding fines I’d believe it. But that’s not what happens. They lobby and pay off politicians to put these in and then they rake in people’s money for profit.
This is purely a for profit venture.
-----seven-----@reddit
does that surprise anybody that company's are looking for money in return for their service? if you geniuses just stop breaking the law willy nilly they cannot make money. if youre breaking the law and reducing safety why wouldnt someone ticket you, both punishing you and making a profit at the same time?
nekmatu@reddit
You’re defending the companies and governments that put in red light cameras and got caught changing yellow light timings to make more money - not make things safer.
This is revenue generation for states and companies that line political pockets as well as continued scope creep on government surveillance. All things worth fighting against.
-----seven-----@reddit
i agree. let's fight against them together by hitting them where it hurts most: the wallet. how are we gonna do that? oh its so simple, youre not gonna believe it...
nekmatu@reddit
Just relax and let it happen is certainly a bold philosophy against abuse.
Best of luck with it.
-----seven-----@reddit
nope, i gave you a solution which was to not fund them by giving yourself a ticket, but you just really want to speed apparently
nekmatu@reddit
Pick a lane, man. You’re all over the place. Just not the left one so we can pass you.
-----seven-----@reddit
youre really not that smart huh. i mean i guessed as much, with your strong desire to break laws unpunished and all.
ive jumped around nowhere. my point the entire time has been stop speeding. really not that complicated, but when you dont understand what a speed limit is, i really shouldnt be surprised
-Canonical-@reddit
realest comment of all time, people downvoting you are morons who should be taking the bus. i daily drive a sports car and am very involved in my local car community and let’s just say that the “art of driving” (ie: safely and measuredly) has long since been lost to the hordes of selfish morons with tunnel vision who think it’s somehow totally ok to go 80 in a 50 because “i didn’t see the sign oopsy” and think driving like a maniac is justifiable if you’re in a rush or someone pisses you off because as we all know. the only person in the world who matters at all is you and any attempt to control behaviour is fascism b
FH3onPC@reddit
A 340i is not a sports car LOL
-Canonical-@reddit
what a sad life you live
3rdreprieve@reddit
I had no clue sports cars were allowed to have more than 2 doors.
-Canonical-@reddit
you should go outside more
ShiftF14@reddit
My car isn’t multi-ton, am I good?
-----seven-----@reddit
no
BuriedMystic@reddit
Ignorance of the speed limit…sounds more like negligence while driving.
AuDHDMDD@reddit
It's almost like the world isn't black and white
PalmSizedTriceratops@reddit
The issue here is in south Denver, the average speed on i25 is 85 in a 65. The literal flow of traffic is that fast on my morning commute.
It's a 6 lane highway. 65 is bullshit.
BuriedMystic@reddit
That’s why they are doing it. Getting to your lil job faster is not a priority, public health and safety is. If it’s really a problem your DOT would change it.
nekmatu@reddit
They are doing it because they got paid money from the camera company who gets a large percentage of each fine. It has nothing to do with safety.
PalmSizedTriceratops@reddit
Highway speed limits were originally set to conserve fuel not for safety lol.
Drive faster.
BuriedMystic@reddit
The stats on crash fatalities at different speeds and collision directions are well established. That’s what they base them on. If humans could react fast and survive crashes at 100mph then things would be different. But they can’t!
PalmSizedTriceratops@reddit
I said 85mph not 100mph. Don't move goal posts.
BuriedMystic@reddit
Kinetic energy increases quadratically with speed. 85mph is 30% faster than 65mph but carries 70% more KE. That means more hurt when you crash.
PalmSizedTriceratops@reddit
That's fine with me. 85 mph speed limits exist in Texas.
aponderingpanda@reddit
85 is really just a suggestion for SH130, cops won't budge until they see people going over 100.
Cessnaporsche01@reddit
You are right, but at the same time, your car radically increases the danger to you and others compared to that of the guy you're arguing with or most people on this subreddit. Mass may only scale the KE equation, but center of mass, mass moment, and brake/tire effectiveness combine to have an enormous effect not only on braking distance, but on maneuvering speeds.
Most of us have vehicles that can stop shorter from 100mph than your Enclave can from 50, and he and I, at least, can maneuver quite safely at speeds that you aren't even capable of reaching. Plus, should a pedestrian or another car be impacted by an SUV, fatality rate can be as high as double that of a car.
LeopardHalit@reddit
Wait til bro finds out about the German autobahn
BuriedMystic@reddit
Oh that thing that only exists in one part of Germany? Germany, which also uses average speed cameras? 😂
PassPanda@reddit
One part? The autobahn is the interstate system. It goes all over Germany. There are limited parts of it when going throw cities, but for the most part it’s unrestricted.
Driving in Germany was an absolute dream as an American. People have lane discipline and common sense.
-----seven-----@reddit
wait til bro finds out germany's drivers actually have to pass real tests instead of a "driving school" where the only real requirement is to show up
yeahow@reddit
Chad?
yeahow@reddit
Average buick buyer
BuriedMystic@reddit
You’re just jealous that I have BlueCruise
maxdps_@reddit
Lol, typical Buick owner calling it BlueCruise instead of SuperCruise is spot on too.
Handsum_Rob@reddit
Does that enable you to recline your seat so nobody sees you driving a Buick?
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
Be prepared for a whole lotta left lane campers cuz they are too afraid to pass.
LOL_YOUMAD@reddit
This the type of person who reminds the teacher they forgot to give homework out.
BuriedMystic@reddit
This the type of person to unironically buy a “fun” Toyota
aponderingpanda@reddit
Man why are you even in this sub if you don't like cars.
3rdreprieve@reddit
You shouldn’t say anything regarding fun cars when you drive one of the most soulless luxo-barges on the entire planet.
Jamaican_Dynamite@reddit
Uh, fuck yeah. That's the point.
wardellwayneraymone@reddit
I can’t think of very many roads where the actual flow of traffic stays below the speed limit of its not rush hour. Even in countries with speeding fines far higher than the USA, this kind of tracking would be seen as ridiculous.
tommy-kennedy@reddit
If you’re a loser just say that
BuriedMystic@reddit
Sending u a Reddit Cares. Plz take care of yourself 💕
-----seven-----@reddit
? he's saying hes against speeding not for it, you mustve misread
EngineersAnon@reddit
So, you shouldn't have the right to criss-examine witnesses?
ArdillasVoladoras@reddit
Have fun trying that sov cit strategy
EngineersAnon@reddit
Civil rights? That strategy?
ArdillasVoladoras@reddit
You do have civil rights, they just don't work like you think they do
BuriedMystic@reddit
Math don’t lie
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
Math can be manipulated tho. IL had to get rid of thier red light cameras because they were caught shortening the yellow lights to generate ticket revenue.
Short-Display-1659@reddit
I sure as hell hope the current right leaning Supreme Court gets this. I can’t imagine they would allow this to continue and hopefully set a precedent so it does not come to my state.
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Vaporave@reddit
Thought you guys were all about enforcing the law, at least allegedly
Original-Sandwich-95@reddit
They are until it may be an inconvience to them.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Something like this wouldn't even make it to SCOTA.
TreesACrowd@reddit
If you think the conservatives on the Supreme Court are anti-authoritarian, you haven't been paying attention for at least 30 years.
Hiei2k7@reddit
Casual reminder:
You can rent a coring cutter from Home Depot, which can cut through your average steel lightpole in about 30 seconds.
The More You Know (TM)
animerobin@reddit
Casual reminder: car accidents are the leading cause of death for children
Logitech4873@reddit
What's your issue? Why are you suggesting vandalism? Get a grip.
Simon676@reddit
The outrage in this sub is hilarious, sorry.
US obviously needs more speed cameras to bring down the incessant speeding that's part of the reason it has many times the road deaths per capita compared to most other developed country.
You're 7 times more likely to die on the road in the US compared to Sweden where I live.
This also has a lot to do with the fact the US gives out its driving licenses as a buy-one get-one-free in cereal boxes as well as their giant cars, but speed is also a large part.
Logitech4873@reddit
Yup, they need this and many more things to turn around their problem.
iamnotcreativeDET@reddit
Speed cameras aren't a new thing, Waze will compensate and create new software to help drivers navigate this.
Vandalism of speed cameras will become extremely common.
Logitech4873@reddit
Waze has been showing these for years.
the_nin_collector@reddit
what does this mean, If you speed to pass somone, you won't get a ticket, but if keep you average speed too high, you will get one?
Logitech4873@reddit
Yes
ssxhoell1@reddit
Yeah this is just part of the bigger plan to get rid of gas cars. Make it so you can't drive anywhere without getting ticketed or pulled over for one thing or another so everybody can go to self-driving EV cars.
Logitech4873@reddit
Get a grip.
The_Owl_Man_1999@reddit
I'm sure that's exactly what the government were thinking when they put them in my country... In the mid 80s. "In 40 years we'll finally have everybody in a self driving byd" (in an alternate timeline where they didn't deepthroat the fossil fuel industries)
ssxhoell1@reddit
California has already been making moves toward it. They were pretty close to passing a bill banning sales if all new gas cars. That would limit the market to just pre-owned and they would be a finite amount. I don't know the news on it I haven't stayed up to date but this was years ago when I heard about it.
They want all the new cars with all the gizmos the cameras and the speakers and the lockout bullshit I don't want my car to be a roaming data center spy machine so I'll drive my 2003 expedition till the wheels fall off and then I'll get someone else's and do the same. If shit gets hard enough to have then I'll get a new one and modify it to remove all of the bullshit. As long as it has a gasoline engine all I need is mechanical inputs. You can drive your car with a shoelace tied around the butterfly valve to control acceleration, Don't need no fancy computer system that'll fail on me someday randomly when a 1 dollar steel cable has worked just fine for the last 100 years
testthrowawayzz@reddit
I know in other countries with this type of speed camera, there are dashcams that alert the begin/end of the speed check zones
Logitech4873@reddit
In my country they have clear signs.
dndndndn037@reddit
It’s such a shame honestly, takes all the fun out of driving having to be in constant state of watching out for cameras
MotorcycleCar@reddit
Just don't speed it isn't hard.
dndndndn037@reddit
It’s not about speeding , if u drive a little faster than the speed limit which is sometimes not very fitting for the road conditions u will get fined over and over again
Logitech4873@reddit
Just don't fucking speed. Read the signs.
MotorcycleCar@reddit
So it's about speeding then.Just slow down. You say it's not about speed then you contradict that by saying sometimes speeding isn't fit for the road conditions.
Logitech4873@reddit
Do you not have a speedometer?
warthog63@reddit
These types of cameras are all over the UK. It will happen here sooner or later. It’s really a disgusting money grab
Logitech4873@reddit
It's not a money grab though. They have signs telling you about the cameras.
sioux612@reddit
Huh, germany has stricter privacy laws than the US?
Cause thats the reason we never got average speed cameras, its illegal for the state to take a picture of somebody who hasnt broken a law
Land of the trapped, home of the duped.
Logitech4873@reddit
Germany has infamously strict privacy laws, to the point where dashcams are (or were) illegal, and Google street view was limited.
CobaltFermi@reddit
Details are scarce about how effective this system really will be, outside of construction zones. What if someone is speeding but takes an off ramp before the next camera so their average speed is never calculated? What if people start slowing down dangerously on the highway to take more time and drop their average speed before the next camera?
Logitech4873@reddit
Doesn't happen in all the other countries it's been implemented in for a long time.
_N4AP@reddit
So if I enter an average speed ticketing zone, pull to the shoulder and park for a certain amount of time after passing the first camera, then do 150 past the second camera, am I in the clear?
tuberosum@reddit
And the goal of this exercise is?
Like, I get speeding because of a misguided desire to get somewhere much faster, even though it's a tiny marginal improvement in most cases.
But what's your goal here? A desire to drive 150mph on a road with slower traffic, playing a racer? If you wanna race, go to a track.
_N4AP@reddit
Fucks sake man, has anyone not related to you how insufferably devoid of humor you are, or am I the first?
Logitech4873@reddit
Calm down
tuberosum@reddit
If the above was your attempt at humor, there's nothing you should be feeling superior about.
MotDePasseEstFromage@reddit
They function as both average speed cameras and normal speed cameras, at least here in the UK
joahw@reddit
As clear as you would be doing 150 anywhere else, I suppose
icanhazsnares@reddit
Speed limits should definitely be increased in some areas, especially the toll lane. What’s the point of having newer cars that can go 100+? Might as well cap off all cars at 90mph and call it a day. In a serious note though, speed limits need to be updated since the last time was in the 70’s and since then roads and cars have been built safer and more durable
Logitech4873@reddit
This is in the USA. They already have a huge issue with awful road death statistics. They need to implement things like this and much more to improve it.
reductase@reddit
Human reaction time is the reason speed limits exist, not road and car quality.
lordtema@reddit
We have these in Norway, not super common but used in places where there have been a history of accidents / excessive speeding! Not really a big issue with them tbh.
amidoes@reddit
Yeah this is the tamest shit ever as an Euro and some Americans here losing their shit lmao
I am more outraged by the radar guns we are just seeing now that are much more common in the US, since here they can impound your car if you have a radar detector
BlackTed@reddit
That's because Europoors are used to be watched by their nanny state 24/7
Logitech4873@reddit
What's your issue?
PinkleeTaurus@reddit
Perhaps if someone had lost their shit on your side of the pond you wouldn't be in that predicament either.
HiThereImF@reddit
Or you just press the cruise control button
PinkleeTaurus@reddit
I do. It's just usually higher than the number some government losers decided to use.
PinkleeTaurus@reddit
I do. It's just usually higher than the number some the government losers decided to use.
bschmidt25@reddit
They don't impound your car here, but you're for sure getting a ticket if you gave a radar detector.
neonxmoose99@reddit
In the US they only do that in Virginia luckily
bschmidt25@reddit
Ahh yes. Sic Semper Tyrannis.
xDarknal@reddit
These arent places with excessive accidents, its literally just a revenue stream ontop of the high taxes they charge us. If you want speed enforcement actually incorporate that in proper road designs.
If its the part of the highway I know its on Its literally 10-20 miles of straight road.
mCProgram@reddit
What? It’s in the extremely narrow stretch of I25 after leaving denver that’s currently under construction. It’s not just straight road AND it’s half the width it normally is.
AssignedCatAtBirth@reddit
It's not a tax if you can avoid it by not speeding?
neonxmoose99@reddit
That’s not what defines a tax
caustictoast@reddit
There’s an easy way to not have to pay them more for this
lordtema@reddit
An example of where it`s implemented in Norway is Lærdalstunnelen, the worlds longest (i believe) road tunnel, it`s 24.5km long, mostly straight line!
yourdiabeticwalrus@reddit
Ehehe going through that tunnel is one of my earliest memories, i remember being super duper excited about the World’s Longest Tunnel. Thanks for reminding me of that lol
Yotsubato@reddit
An accident in a tunnel can get very dangerous very fast. Especially if there’s a fire.
That one makes sense
lordtema@reddit
The only non tunnel place i`ve encountered is a stretch that i can only imagine was very accident prone due to it being very tempting to make a high speed takeover and the road does not have super great visibility on all stretches of it.
xDarknal@reddit
Tunnel which make sense because they are entirely accident prone, this is open road with 3 lanes each way. It's entirely absurd because the CO high way speeds were not designed for flow.
-----seven-----@reddit
you should protest it by taking away their revenue stream then! itll be a little complicated, but if you do this thing where you follow that funny speed limit sign thingy, they dont make money!
PikachuOfTheShadow@reddit
We have average speed cameras in Australia and actually waze does show you when you enter an average speed camera zone and when you exit it. So waze is still as useful as with any fixed point camera, it still helps you avoid getting a ticket
Tutorbin76@reddit
Serious question, wouldn't just not speeding at all be a better way of avoiding getting a ticket?
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
Yes, but then you don't get to drive above the speed limit, which is rather the entire point. If you're not tracking cops, there's fairly limited reasons to use Waze (it's slightly better than Google Maps for cars, but can't do walking, cycling or PT).
Tutorbin76@reddit
Why on earth would anyone want to drive above the limit?
mondaymoderate@reddit
Cause the limit is too slow for modern cars in a lot of places.
Logitech4873@reddit
No it's not.
Lauzz91@reddit
the man who owns two Nissan Leafs pondered aloud
Tutorbin76@reddit
Lol, yes sure let's play to the stereotypes.
After all, it's usually the jerks in Rangers and Hiluxes who seem to treat road trips as land speed record attempts. While I could smoke most of them on the open road if I wanted I have other priorities, such as arriving at the destination alive. While excessive speed is a factor in over 80% of fatal accidents, it's often not those morons I have to scrape off the roads, it's their victims.
EatSleepJeep@reddit
Yeah. What a fuckin mystery.
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
Bro owns two Leafs, if he does above the speed limit that battery dies before he makes it halfway
mrsexycow@reddit
Shut your whore mouth
Tutorbin76@reddit
Sure thing, speedy.
EatSleepJeep@reddit
Slower traffic keep right
punksnotdeadtupacis@reddit
Not to mention they’re only really used for freeways/highways without intersections because as soon as you stop for a red light your average is fucked
CurlyJeff@reddit
And they’re fixed and marked with signage. Someone had to be driving recklessly and unaware for a long time get caught by them making them fairer than speed traps that can catch people for going slightly over the limit when safely overtaking.
Some of the reactions in this thread are hilarious.
nekmatu@reddit
Because we don’t want the government tracking us everywhere we go.
They’ve been such good stewards of the rules we set for them lately- surely giving them more power and surveillance will solve things. /s for that last part just in case.
M3Core@reddit
This Redditor gets it.
nekmatu@reddit
Thank you!
M3Core@reddit
Well, anyone who thinks 10 over is "driving recklessly and unaware" is entirely unplugged from reality and probably hasn't ever driven a car, so I wouldn't sweat it too much.
CurlyJeff@reddit
You can drive over the speed limit without driving recklessly and unaware, but if you're so unaware as to get caught by a marked fixed point to point speed camera that's likely going to involve a reckless lack of awareness.
CurlyJeff@reddit
Explain how preventing road deaths could result in the oppression of regular law abiding citizens?
In countries where the government actually has a stake in the well being of their citizens in part due to having to fund social services, it's simply just a good business decision to prevent extremely costly road incidents. Not everything has to be a nefarious conspiracy.
Jonnnnnnnnn@reddit
*posted from iphone
nekmatu@reddit
So let’s excuse all government overreach. That’s your point?
Mr_Burning@reddit
If you have a modern car, it will be connected to some server and they can individually track you.
More so, you likely carry a device in your pocket or with you with GPS that tracks your position constantly. Hell this very topic is about people using Waze... which is a GPS tracker in itself, often tied to people's google account. That same google account that knows what diapers they buy for their newborn and which store has their preference.
I'm all for being conscious of overreach and privacy, but a few cameras along a road aren't moving the needle. Most highways already have cameras to monitor traffic, they just didn't monitor speed.
You address a rightful concern, but its like everybody forgot PRISM was (is) a thing. This stuff is sooo far beyond a few cameras on a road.
nekmatu@reddit
Doesn’t excuse it. Doesn’t mean we should allow it or be comfortable with it directly from the government.
And some modern cars (like my two) can have those sensors removed or don’t exist at all.
CurlyJeff@reddit
Ah yes because having two sets of cameras set up either side of high risk locations on a highway amounts to tracking people everywhere they go.
Will never understand the paranoia americans have for governments, you wildly overestimate their competence.
nekmatu@reddit
Right. Because the government has always been good stewards and self monitored. It never expands these programs beyond their original intent. The Patriot Act was “just for terrorist” - how’s that working out?
CurlyJeff@reddit
I have no idea, I live in a high trust society instead
nekmatu@reddit
High trust society? Australia passed mandatory metadata retention, forced encryption backdoors, and built a national facial recognition database all in the last decade. Sounds like you live in the opposite of a high trust society.
CurlyJeff@reddit
Ok chatgpt
nekmatu@reddit
“I have no counter and got caught saying something stupid. Let me grab at anything to save face.” -CurlyJeff
CurlyJeff@reddit
"I got caught using an LLM to make a completely irrelevant argument based off sensationalised news headlines"
LordBlackass@reddit
The issue is less about how to avoid them and whether they should exist in the first place, and by extension what they're actually doing to improve safety (I assume absolutely nothing).
CurlyJeff@reddit
Perhaps instead of assuming you could look up studies which show they reduce road incidents by 20-25%. I'll never understand the obsession americans have with valuing muh freedums over human lives.
LordBlackass@reddit
Hit me with a link and I'll have a read.
CurlyJeff@reddit
https://www.cochrane.org/evidence/CD004607_do-speed-cameras-reduce-road-traffic-crashes-injuries-and-deaths
punksnotdeadtupacis@reddit
I think you’d be pretty thick to think speed cameras (ergo lowing the average driver speed) is a benefit for road safety. The nuance around it is really what gets people worked up I think, for example ticketing at 5km over the limit is more of political/fiscal approach than addressing real road safety.
While 5km over does increase braking distance, it has infinitely less net benefit than proper tyres and a brake system on a car. That’s even assuming the driver hits the brake while doomscrolling TikTok. Bigger fish to fry popo
J_NonServiam@reddit
Right now they are only in the interstate construction zone where multiple people have already died. You have to be going 10+ over (limit is 65 in this 5 mile zone) and the fine is $75.
All that being said, slippery slope. They are the same model of camera we already use for toll lane weaving enforcement across the state, so all they would need to do is turn the feature on.
red_monkey_i_am@reddit
We have one in South Australia on a freeway that has an exit halfway through. As a consequence anyone getting off at the exit doesn't care and drives 20 over.
Quaiche@reddit
Yeah, they still put them in residential areas around important commuting bits of my city, of course not before lowering the limit speed to 10mph for the entire section.
rugbyfiend@reddit
Just wait until the 10 or so new ones in NSW are activated - installed over past 12 months. Many on arterial Sydney roads. Insane
ssxhoell1@reddit
We have sawzalls in America
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
I wish they'd add a feature where they track your speed across the zone and tell you if your average speed is too high. But yeah this article is clickbait
Bamboozled74@reddit
I'm in Australia now with my family and we rented a Tesla which does actually display the average speed across the zone. Pretty cool feature and really helpful in saving time.
Desirable_Username@reddit
A decent amount of cars have average speed trackers in them anyway - usually displayed in the same place as average fuel consumption, range remaining, etc. They'll be reading the wheel speed so you'd need to know what the error of your speedo is, but if you're worried about being caught by an average speed trap it's probably good to look at.
Bamboozled74@reddit
Really? Wow. Where I come from we don't have average speed cameras so I didn't know cars had all this now.
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
Yeah I just want it automated because its 2026 and I'm a lazy guy, and I don't own a Tesla. My Ford has that feature and my other car is slow
yyytobyyy@reddit
I'd svear it used to have this feature in the past and they removed it.
Maybe I just remember it wrong, but I believe I remember it showing average speed the and zone bar turning red when you were over the limit and if you slowed down for enough time, it turned back green.
pixel_of_moral_decay@reddit
The US has lots of laws about aiding someone in evading law enforcement monitoring in various states, something like that might be challenged here. Waze has a bunch of carve outs for how it can/can’t behave in various states and even counties to comply with local laws.
Logitech4873@reddit
Nice. This is how we do it on several stretches in Norway. From what I can tell, the US sorely needs this.
worldmerge@reddit
Good. Way too many people speed
4R4nd0mR3dd1t0r@reddit
So it's a $75 toll to use the road is what it sounds like, no points so just a way to make money.
niccotaglia@reddit
Sounds like you need Italy’s home-grown hero: Fleximan!
Tiny-Art7074@reddit
They do this in some Scandinavian countries and it has reduced fatal accidents. It forces you to slow down, but it makes driving less fun.
mCProgram@reddit
I dislike all forms of state sponsored speed cameras and cameras in general but waze will absolutely mark these and average speed cams in construction zones are the least offensive version of a speed camera.
IamGrimReefer@reddit
i don't use waze. how does this make waze useless?
DFAtomcat@reddit
Having traveled through this exact speed camera system multiple times, Waze already had it figured out. It just tells you there’s an average speed zone ahead and then puts up a graphic for how long it is and how far through it you are. Stupid headline.
nefrina@reddit
shivaswrath@reddit
Ugh my life would truly suck....Shark Blue 911s are targeted all the time anyhow
Pancakesandcows@reddit
What happens when they install the cameras on I-70, and someone drives the whole interstate at 15 over? If there's 50 measurement areas, do they get fifty $75 tickets? That would be insane to get $3750 in tickets.
nonaveris@reddit
Convoy
MrBleah@reddit
So, it’s just for revenue, since no one gets points on their license for these tickets and of course a mistake in this regard falls hardest on those that have the least. People that have money can speed all they want and people that don’t have to slow down.
bstyledevi@reddit
So if i go through the first camera at 2mph and I go through the second one at 110moh, they'll average out to a legal speed, right?
AdventurousDress576@reddit
Another one who doesn't understand how these work.
bstyledevi@reddit
It was a joke.
nonaveris@reddit
How do they manage the whole “face your accuser” thing if not just dodging the whole due process thing?
KingKontinuum@reddit
They’re never policing left lane campers 😂
snubda@reddit
Seems like an awesome way to do some top speed runs.
Enter zone Stop on shoulder for 60 seconds Hit 150 Average 65
vuwildcat07@reddit
I don’t like widespread speed camera usage but I also look at how crazy some drivers are these days and how they avoid the current single-point cameras.
The only place where average speed cameras should be considered is work zones given the dangerous conditions and the fact drivers just slow down for the single camera and then speed back up
SuperConfused@reddit
The speed differential is what kills. If they actually care about reducing injuries, they would issue these tickets to the people who camp out in the hammer lane and are not using it to pass. As long as I do not contract this out to a private company that they give contracts to, this is fine. You don’t get any points, A can’t lose your license. I do wish they would put up signs that said something like entering speed camera zone at least half a mile before you get there, but this will probably reduce speeding related accidents. Now I think you just do something about the truck drivers, that would help too
amiga1@reddit
they have average speed cameras in the UK and waze will just let you know while you're within the "zone" they work.
Isaiah1962@reddit
We’ve had average speed cameras on some of our UK roads for years now, and Waze still warns you where they are so you can ‘monitor’ your speed more closely.
Raph115@reddit
Please bring this to Florida! Way too many entitled, reckless drivers down here killing people daily.
TowJammer212@reddit
Reciprocating saws take these cameras down in SECONDS!
hawksdiesel@reddit
Why did waze remove the comments option dammit
Training-Expert5598@reddit
We got this deemed unconditional in Ohio. Sue the state.
P38ARR@reddit
We've had these for years in the UK.
kanyediditbetter@reddit
Just drive the speed limit
chovies93@reddit
Love watching Americans freak out over things other countries have had for years
Th3WeirdingWay@reddit
You get what you vote for 🤷♂️
Fangpyre@reddit
I once worked for a company that sold these. The police department refused to consider them because they’re so effective they will actually slow down the traffic and they’ll lose all the revenue from the speeding cameras.
Random_Introvert_42@reddit
I feel like that system isn't really an issue if you learn how those speed limit signs work :|
The_Duke2331@reddit
Welcome to the rest of the world. We have these all over the place in The Netherlands. One of them even stretches over a 15km (9.3mi) highway section...
I absolutely hate it. Not that im agianst making the road safer, but that i have to constantly check my speed every few seconds (my old shitbox doesn't have cruise control) when i normally just follow the flow of traffic.
Fabulous-Peanut-920@reddit
You people must vandalize these cameras to the point where it costs more to replace them than the revenue they bring in. Who are these people that are ok with this? What about when the 10 mph buffer turns to 5mph? or 3mph? or no buffer as there really shouldnt be a buffer anyway if you think about it...
julienjj@reddit
75$ 0 points ? shit that's just a toll at that point.
L-Malvo@reddit
This system is very common here in The Netherlands and other European countries. Yes they suck, but from an alerting point of view, there are plenty of apps out there that show your average speed in the zone. Heck, even Tesla’s do this.
Artichoke93@reddit
They do this in Poland it sucks.
gezpachu@reddit
the neo-luddite revival is going to be wild
ChiggaOG@reddit
I've heard of this in my calculus and physics class. It's a measure of time between both or multiple "gates". There's a specific time value a vehicle at the speed limit will travel among all gates, averaged. If true, the average can be cheated by going slower for longer travel time. Such as going speed limit at the end while traveling significantly below for about 3/4 of the distance.
dantose@reddit
Average speed cams are easy to beat. The secret is not speeding.
zinten789@reddit
Can't you also just speed as fast as you want, then slow to a crawl for the rest of it so that your average comes out to a moderate speed?
DziungliuVelnes@reddit
It is literally one of the features of Waze to know how long is average speed camera stretch. We have these cameras across Europe for many years
hellooverlasting@reddit
Oh man, reminds me when I went to China, their speeding cameras are like that..
It’s not fun at all, goodluck Colorado, hopefully ya’ll can remove it somehow
Gas_Grass_Ass_Class@reddit
I hate the idea but I never understood why they weren’t already doing something like this with tollways.
xqk13@reddit
This is very common in China, and guess what? Navigation simply tells when you enter and exit the average speed zone.
elliott44k@reddit
Haha Korea has these and Naver maps shows both your average speed and how much time you have to go in the section
Up_All_Nite@reddit
Insurance companies rubs hands together
Dav_Dabz@reddit
Well I'm sorry. I thought this was America! - Randy Moss
Cool-Bunch6645@reddit
I THINK you meant Randy Marsh lol
Dav_Dabz@reddit
In my defense. I went home to immediately exercise my right to drink 🤙
LOL_YOUMAD@reddit
Randy moss likely also would not like these things to be fair.
Realtrain@reddit
Randy Mush?
SDEexorect@reddit
too be fair, randy moss would get a speeding ticket if you could by running
Black_Raven_2024@reddit
Randy Marsh?
Cool-Bunch6645@reddit
The dad in South Park. Famously quoted in the episode where he gets drunk and fights other parents at the Little League ball games and gets kicked out.
Aforementionedlurker@reddit
Pretty American: "Sraight cash homie" and "I play when I wanna play" -Randy Moss
TenderfootGungi@reddit
They already use this in Europe. A taxi driver explained it to me. Along with speed limits that change based on congestion. A friend received an automated speeding ticket because they did not catch the change fast enough. They had to go to mandatory training to keep their license.
CommanderArcher@reddit
If speepd limits are the law, we should enforce them the best possible way, average speed cameras are extremely effective for this.
But if we want to selectively enforce the law and build that into our system, why even have that law in the first place?
Bananaman420kush@reddit
lol good thing I drive a 4cyl pickup now, when I drove a normal car driving 10 over was the norm and way too easy. Feel bad for my fellow CO drivers
moldy912@reddit
I love these in Forza Horizon, I always try to get the top rank
t_a_6847646847646476@reddit
Maybe that’s why it’s in Colorado
Tutorbin76@reddit
How would that make Waze useless? They are two completely different things.
orangebikini@reddit
There was talk of average speed cameras coming to my country, Finland, recently, I read a news article on it. The article cited how they already use them in Norway and how on road sections they are in use have seen accidents with minor injuries go down 12-22% and accidents leading to death or major injuries go down 49-54%.
My gut reaction to average speed cameras is I don't want them. I mean, I imagine a lot of us here don't. But I struggle to figure out any actual argument against them. Every argument about a police state and shit like that seems to be just another slippery slope argument. Fact is, you're not supposed to be speeding, and speed enforcement makes the roads safer, so it's pretty hard to argue against. If it saves lives, that's pretty big. Surely a life is more important than the opportunity for me to drive fast on a public road.
I also saw an argument that average speed cameras are more fair for the drivers too, since it's the average speed. It doesn't care if you drive over the limit at some point as long as your average speed along the stretch of road in question is what it should be.
r00000000@reddit
IMO it depends on how it's being used, I agree with speed cameras in places like city centers, school zones, or construction zones, especially places were known hotspots for accidents already to protect pedestrians but having them on highways like this article mentions seems odd to me.
I really feel like the most risky times for highway driving are during high traffic times with a lot of chaotic lane changes where it's not easy to go over the limit consistently anyways, I'm hearing feedback from some of the British comments and if their stories are true, the abrupt slowing to dodge this type of camera could actually create more traffic and be more of a risk for accidents.
Just anecdotally, driving in off-hours, I notice most traffic caused by one idiot holding up all the cars behind them, but if anyone ever speeds to undertake them, then a lot of people will also follow, so I think most people on the roads have the appetite for higher limits on highways in a lot of areas, a separate discussion from automated enforcement. IMO, this is harder to gauge as the driver but a safer theoretical limit would be a passing speed limit where you can't pass cars at a certain speed delta.
Also, I don't have the data but I can't imagine speeding on highways being a significant contributor to traffic fatalities compared to distracted/impaired driving, but I know most traffic deaths are from rural roads, not highways, and it's very easy for me to see why due to the poor visibility, animal hazards, non-divided roads with blinding oncoming lights. I remember hearing a shocking stat that a lot of traffic deaths were because of not wearing seatbelts which was insane to me if it's still true, who tf doesn't wear seatbelts?
Crftd@reddit
Likely will be challenged and stricken. Total violation of due process, particularly in that tickets are supposedly issued to the owner of the vehicle regardless of the driver.
TheNorthernMunky@reddit
We have these in the UK, they’re labeled ‘Average speed check’ zones. Waze is still useful, in that it tells you when the zone starts and ends, and where the cameras are along the way.
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KellerMB@reddit
I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
If you stop between each one you get all the fun with none of the points. Only downside is the gas mileage and being rear ended for stopping on a highway.
ZuVieleNamen@reddit
They've had average speed cameras for a long time in Europe, this ain't nothing new.
dchap1@reddit
I love how Reddit collectively flips out by a camera system issuing tickets replacing a cop issuing tickets.
It’s simple, if you don’t want a ticket, don’t speed. Simple as. It’s not like a law is changing, it’s simply a passive camera doing the work of an active police officer.
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dchap1@reddit
What has this got to do with Waze?
bonzoboy2000@reddit
I was reading about the French Revolution. They created a series of symbols for their revolution, and one was called “the eye of surveillance.” I assume the “eye” on the dollar bill is taken from that symbolism. But “all seeing eye of surveillance “ is creepy.
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angrycanuck@reddit
So exactly what thebUK has been using for....more than a decade?
-Canonical-@reddit
Idiotic title, there have been average speed cameras around for many many years, and Waze has been set up to alert you for them specifically for a very long time as well. You’d have to be pretty stupid to enter one of these speed zones and get a ticket
BrandonNeider@reddit
Give an inch they’ll take a mile. Red light cameras were the first step under the guise of safety. Then speed cameras and now coming to many cities is automated parking cameras.
All of it needs to be outlawed.
datakrashd@reddit
you could not pay me to pretend to be disabled enough to whine about speeding jfc 💀
NeverEverMaybe0_0@reddit
Motor1 is really cockgobbling for the surveillance state.
They must be comprised of all the clowns that drive slow in the fast lane and speed up when I go to pass.
thb202@reddit
UK here, my fears have become true. My grandad has always told me it would be a flick of a switch to make our vast anpr system record speed over distance, hope it never comes here
DreadJak@reddit
Does CO have guns? Feels like CO could use some guns. For reasons.
cilantno@reddit
Are you stupid?
-----seven-----@reddit
he has a ford flair do you have to ask
Snoo93079@reddit
Guns because you can't speed?
-----seven-----@reddit
murica
InsertBluescreenHere@reddit
Nah colorado tried to ban all pistols
bestmaokaina@reddit
Just comply bro. Dont wanna be fined? just comply with the law.
Wanna go fast? rent a track. ez pz
-----seven-----@reddit
such a simple answer but so many fucking idiots in this thread think it's their god given right to speed holy shit
arkwewt@reddit
Been doing this for a long time in New Zealand - Waze will let you know when you’re approaching an average speed zone, and while you’re in it, and when you leave it. We have these in specific areas, as well as through a major tunnel.
downbadmilflover@reddit
Ok we gotta take a baseball bat to this crap or shoot these shits with some buckshot
Bullshit-_-Man@reddit
Have had Average Speed cameras in the UK since ‘99. Pain in the ass on those stretches of road, but as someone who regularly drives fast it isn’t a huge deal.
Sucks you guys are getting them too, but driving will still be fun.
turb0_encapsulator@reddit
They have been effectively using this for decades in New York with EZ-Pass
ManonFire1213@reddit
Surprised other states didn't start doing it on toll roads.
sri_peeta@reddit
This is how they issue camera based speed tickets in many of western europen nations.
dc1999@reddit
This is what they do on the Autostrata in Italy.