Upgrade to Ryzen 9 5950X or Ryzen 7 5800X?
Posted by GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 53 comments
I currently have AM4 Ryzen 5 5700X, and was thinking about upgrading to one of those 2. I have a GeForce RTX 5070 ti, and it seems the CPU is bottlenecking the FPS.
I haven't ever done anything to a PC (except adding and cloning NVMe cards) and I looked online to decide which is better. And it says the 7 is better for gaming and the 9 for a workstation. I only ever use it for gaming, and not for stuff like editing.
My question is, is the 9 really worse for gaming, or is it more "dont waste your money if you won't use it" or is it better even for gaming?
Silent_Exit_844@reddit
Download and install MSI afterburner + riva tunner. You can see on screen the temps, frames and percentage of usage of you cpu and gpu. If your GPU during gamming is working bellow 80% or 70%, you have some bottleneck, even if you upgrade your cpu you won't get much more performance, unless you go to a Ryzen 9700x. Ryzen x3d is also a mistake. See here why?! ( audio is in Portuguese but you can translate the legends on youtube settings. Is only 13minutes but it will worth it.
https://youtu.be/cnRUajPiV6A?is=qABWeonVT07E2tNS
2raysdiver@reddit
First, what makes you THINK the CPU is limiting (it is not "bottlenecking" - that is not the right term) your performance? You should use some hardware monitoring software to see what sort of utilization you are getting from both the CPU and GPU and under what conditions.
Second, what games are you playing and at what resolution and quality settings? Some games are CPU intensive and others are GPU intensive. There are some CPU intensive games where it is possible the 5700X is your limiting factor, but there are also plenty of games where the 5700X will have plenty of cycles to spare.
Third, do you have anything else running on the PC consuming memory of CPU? At the very least, use the task manager performance and task tabs to see what else is running. You may be in need of an OS and driver reinstall to clean out all the unwanted garbage that accrues over time (updaters, quick start tasks, widgets and other legitimate software can degrade performance as much as malware and viruses if it is consuming CPU and/or memory. Legitimate antivirus software can also steal performance - and it is often unnecessary).
Finally, while many games can take advantage of multiple cores/threads, the bulk of the work is limited to a single core. Additional cores will not help. And the single core difference between at 5700X and a 5800X or 5950X is not enough to make an appreciable difference. If you had a 5500, 5700 or 5700G, then an upgrade might give you some relief, but only if it is actually the CPU that is holding you back.
TL;DR: If you don't figure out exactly what is causing your performance issue, you will just have the same problem and a more expensive CPU.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Yeah thank you so much, I dont know much about computer builds, and my friend said my CPU may be bottlenecking, and have tried most things to boost performance including task manager stuff, etc. But yeah, ill try factory reset, and retry, cos when I first got it, it was way faster on those games I play (like Marvel rivals). You're right, itd suck to throw a grand at it only to find out it wasnt even the issue.
norm009@reddit
The performance difference is not worth the money.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Yeah, seems that way, apparently seems like the most significant upgrade would be to am5
norm009@reddit
Yes, but DDR5 pricing makes that way too expensive for now.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Yeah, from what ive read here, i was thinking if it costs wayy too much I might get a x3d cpu for the year and save up for a full upgrade. (Only just got this info, I had no idea what any would do, so really appreciate all the help)
norm009@reddit
Even those are getting expensive due to increased demand. At a certain price point even the x3d isn't worth it.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Tbf, yeah, just looked at it , and it says £400 on Amazon, like what tf?! I was thinking <250, I would've gone for it if its below 300, but damn. Also, the higher end ones are actually showing as cheaper, but you need am5 for them, but if you got am5, you'd just better a better one. I dont get it 😭
norm009@reddit
It is just a very crappy time to build PCs.
nick2crete@reddit
Its not make sense and 5700x has better thermals and less energy consumption ,i have this cpu as well combined with 4070TiS and 4k monitor ,all is fine !
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Yeah, tbf, im not even too sure if its something up with it, cos it used to be faster, I might try factory resetting firts tbh
Lord-Megadrive@reddit
They’re on a 4K monitor so are offloading more onto the GPU.
You said you’re playing at 1440p? I would do a driver reinstall via DDU, I would also check in bios that my ram is running at the right speed (in case the xmp has reset itself)
I would run crystal mark on the drive I use for games to make sure all is ok there,
I would also make sure that windows isn’t restricting the monitor to 60hz I would exhaust everything before even thinking about buying a new GPU or CPU because you’ve got a very capable system
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Yeah, thank you so much, better than throwing a ton of money at it and finding it wasnt even the problem
HappyAffirmative@reddit
Platform upgrade, is what you need. An X3D CPU from AM5 would do, like a 7800X3D
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Ahhh right, I was thinking I might need am5, but im a bit worried about the difficulty, cos i haven't ever done anything like it before
Valkanith@reddit
If you live near a Microcenter you can buy an AMD bundle that includes CPU, motherboard and ram for like $500-$700 depending on which one you buy.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Im in the UK, and i remember looking up if there was anywhere I could get it upgraded a little while ago, but didnt manage to find anything (except FB ads) cos the majority of the PC building shops seem to be in the US. As for the FB ads, I just dont feel comfortable with it.
Ofc, if there are any places I could get it done in the UK id be extremely grateful if anyone could let me know. But I dont think theres any small stand alone computer shops near me though.
jugo5@reddit
To be honest. The hardest part about upgrading a motherboard is the cpu cooler, lol. Also maybe the wiring, but you shouldnt have to remove wires. Unplug and push to the side as long as your psu is 3.1 compatible. Even then its more annoying than a pain. The Cpu only goes in one way and has guides. Just dont bend pins by twisting. Dont force things if they are not going in unless its the cooler. Those things take a good bit of pressure sometimes. You can use too much thermal paste and be fine. Just makes for a little mess to clean up later. Most everything else snaps in and out at the press of a button/secure tab. It may take a couple hours the first time. The second time is much much faster.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Yeah, someone else mentioned it was actually way simpler than I was expecting and its more like adult legs, and I feel more at ease about just upgrading the whole thing. I was thinking it was a huge task, and needed soldering (which scares the shit out of me cos what if I bunt the MB) but apparently not.
jugo5@reddit
Modern PC's are super easy. Even M.2 drive slots are tool less now. Only need a tool to set the mobo in the case (just need to be mindful your not letting it touch in the wrong places so it shorts). The mobo manual/case manual usually explains this. The cooler and secure the gpu to the case. Might need tools for the psu bracket depending on your case. Other than that... its release button here, tab here, and pc is done. Only need to solder if you had a proprietary mobo which was soldered from the start. Or in some laptops. 99% of consumer mobos will not be soldered together. There are some good videos out there on youtube. Watch a couple well reviewed detailed ones and make a decision if thats for you or not. It was not hard for me. I can now usually disassemble and reassemble in about 1.5 hours. Thats with cleaning etc... I could do a cpu repaste/swap in under 30 mins. Mobos are a bit more involved considering you have to take 90% of the pc apart. Otherwise its not bad at all. Taking apart a gpu to repaste/putty/pad takes longer than putting a whole new pc together.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Ahhh thank you so much, yeah, mine is relatively new, so doubt it has any soldering required then, so im much more relaxed 😁
Sokkumboppaz@reddit
It’s not gonna be worth it for you to switch to either of those CPUs. Are you playing on 1080p? You’d be better off getting a better monitor so you’re not being CPU limited.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
I have a 240hz 1080p monitor which is my old one, my current one is 2k 300hz, should I change res on the 2k or switch back to the 1080?
Sokkumboppaz@reddit
Oh if you’re playing at 2k then you’re really not gonna get any value from a new CPU. What games are you playing?
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
I tend to play Marvel Rivals, which i get average about 80, max 140-150, lows of 37 when flicking fast. And also RPGs like sekiro, and elden ring for which I do get a steady 60fps, but theyre very stuttery which I dont understand why, cos even when I play Black Myth wukong, I can play on high or even cinematic without any issues.
Sokkumboppaz@reddit
What kind of power supply do you have? You might not be supplying enough power if it’s like a 650w psu
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Yeah, think its 650w
Sokkumboppaz@reddit
I’d say upgrade to a 750 or 850w psu with a 12v 2x6 adapter. If you have your GPU daisy chained that could be another issue, especially with a lower rated psu.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
I tend to play Marvel Rivals, which i get average about 80, max 140-150, lows of 37 when flicking fast. And also RPGs like sekiro, and elden ring for which I do get a steady 60fps, but theyre very stuttery which I dont understand why, cos even when I play Black Myth wukong, I can play on high or even cinematic without any issues.
astro143@reddit
I don't think either one would give an appreciable increase in performance in gaming. The 5800X is basically your cpu with a little more clock speed. I can't imagine your CPU would be bottlenecking your GPU.
What are the specs of the rest of your rig? What games/resolution/settings are you running at? What FPS are you getting versus what you're expecting?
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
I have 32gm DDR4 ram, and games tend to be stuff like marvel rivals (like 100 max, even on low @2k), OW(300fpsish), CoD(no idea), or RPGs, like Sekiro, Elden ring (which i get 60fps for but are stuttery af which i don't get, cos i can run Black Myth wukong on High with no problems, and even cinematic without many issues)
Hersin@reddit
5950x is still power house for editing. I have it paired with 4070ti super 32gb ram that was my uni animation/render build. Still going strong in gaming on 3440x1440 wide screen. However for gaming I’d go with one of x3d models, you don’t need that many cores for games you listed.
bluntspoon@reddit
Sounds weird but I wonder if a 5500x3D off AliExpress would remove the stutters at a reasonable cost.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Not a bad shout at all, I am now thinking about upgrading to am5 cos someone else explained its not as terrifying as I was thinking, cos tbh, having the 5070ti in an am4 feels like having a Ferrari engine in a Fiat Panda 😂 plus, I can futureproof a bit. But if it costs a ton, I might just upgrade to the 5500x3d for at least a year, and save up for the full upgrade
VzSAurora@reddit
Neither are going to be noticably different. 58/700X3D would be decent but overpriced. Really you need an AM5 upgrade.
If you insist on AM4, 5800XT is probably the best you'll get the tune memory.
TheMinisterOChlorine@reddit
5700x is just a downbinned 5800x, and 5950x is a workstation cpu with basically zero benefit in game as the extra cores would go unused.
Frankly you have a 5070ti, a true upper end card but is using a dead end budget mobo + cpu.
Sell the cpu + mobo + ram and add an extra 200 usd / euro and you have a new AM5 or intel system with DDR5 ram that will last for years.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Yeah, thats what I've gleaned from everyone here, and think thats what I'll do, but really nervous, cos I've never done any building, and was even nervous about changing just the CPU, but might ask a friend to help 😊
TheMinisterOChlorine@reddit
Gotta start somewhere, my first pc build with a brand new gtx 560 my hands were literally shaking and I begged my brother to help me (he didn't lol), now I can confidently build with far more expensive parts, boards are extremely flexible and static electricity is a non issue as long as you're not building in a carpeted room, it's like adult lego all you need is a philips screwdriver and at the most a standoff "adapter" that slips on a regular screwdriver or provided one to put them in snugly, everything else is plug n play, hell you can leave everything except PWR on the frontheader too if you're really lazy / find it difficult to fiddle with the smaller cables.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Ahhh thank you so much! 🥰 also, do i need solder, cos thats the part that freaks me out cos what if I burn the MB?
TheMinisterOChlorine@reddit
Nope, that's way, way too advanced, as I said adult lego, ram in the ram slot, cpu in cpu slot, GPU in PCIE slot, and front USB cables, front audio, and CPU fan alongside chassi fans / sys fans, and RGB if you want that alongside the two poer connectors, and SSD / HDD is just a SATA cable clicked in.
The only application beyond slotting thing x in slot y and screwing in the right screw in the right hole, or in my case random screws because I lost the previous ones, is applying thermal paste, which is just a small pea size before screwing in the cooling fan.
So when you've done it once or twice you can strip and build a pc in an hour or two easy, and manuals of course got everything important jotted down and youtube got tons and tons of tutorials.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Thank god for that! Thank you so much, that puts my mind at ease, cos im thinking its kinda like when I got the PC sent to me, and everything was kinda disconnected (excluding CPU, GPU, etc. So other than that, just plugging everything in. FR, thanks so much man, youre a legend! 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Wise-Log-2897@reddit
If it's not more than 50$ go for r9. From what I seen it's around 5% better average fps, but it has 64mb of l3 cahche ehile r7 only has 32 so that'll help for 1%low
GFriend2xDance@reddit
I saw Amazon has the Ryzen 5950X right now for $289, so I just placed an order a few minutes ago.
In my case, I am upgrading from a Ryzen 5600X.
I had thought about getting a Ryzen 5800X, but it looks like that sells for around $200. I figure for $90 more, I can get the 5950X, which has twice the number of cores and threads as the 5800X... which sounds more cost effective to me.
Powerful-Ad2869@reddit
5600X,5700X,5800X,5800XT,5900X,5900XT,5950X all have similar gaming performance, you wont notice much difference at all.
only upgrade path for u will be the 5700X3D and 5800X3D
elBirdnose@reddit
I would go with a X3D chip as when I did this (3700x to 5700X3D) it boosted my fps about 20%. They might be hard to find new now, but it’s what I’d do.
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Ahhh awesome, sorry, I haven't ever done this before so didn't know if others would be much better 😊
n7_trekkie@reddit
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5700x/images/relative-performance-games-1920-1080.png
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5700x/15.html
You need a new mobo platform if you want drastically more performance. The 5800x3d is only 10% faster than what you're using
GodFuckedJosephsWife@reddit (OP)
Ahhhh thank you so much! 😊
MVmikehammer@reddit
Neither. Both will still bottleneck the 5070ti. Your only options without platform upgrade are the two x3d models (5700x3d and 5800x3d). And even these might still bottleneck.
Just yesterday I was looking at an old benchmark where AMD CPUs from 5600x to 5950x showed essentially identical performance in 1080p, 1440p and 4k, when paired with a 3070 and 3090 respectively. In Cyberpunk 2077.
weedandmagic@reddit
Only x3d cpus provide a performance boost for gaming. Aside from those, the 5700x is one of the best on am4.
snipsuper415@reddit
You're going to need to jump platforms for a significant uplift. The 5700x isn't that much of a jump to either the 5800x, 5900x or the 5950x in terms of gaming. If you want to stay on am4, look for one of fhe x3d variants. They offer significant improvement in gaming.
FearTheFuzzy99@reddit
Neither is much of a jump over your 5700X. We’re talking 1-5% at most.
Not worth it.