Is it common for family relationships in the US to weaken after graduating, moving out and renting an apartment?
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Is it common for family relationships in the US to weaken after graduating, moving out and renting an apartment?
Dazzling-Climate-318@reddit
I once had a friend with a great mother, the best one I ever came across, unfortunately my friend moved back to his home state and I lost contact; a couple years later she died. His father had died a few years before I knew him. Sometimes the good really do die young.
My parents are a piece of work, alive, but in poor health. My brother and I visit our mother who has dementia. Our parents divorced when we were young and our father was not present much prior to the divorce and even less so afterwards, functionally he abandoned us.
So it’s hard to tell in regard to any individual what their familial situation might be.
PatternIllustrious54@reddit
I love hanging out with my mom now and I'm 37 😆
Logical-Pound-1065@reddit
Not always. Distance has helped me get along with my family more. When you’re always around your family, you get on each other’s nerves. At least when you move out, you have a place to retreat to, as do they.
AffectionateMode5349@reddit
Mine did not weaken. It actually got better.
Just_curious4567@reddit
Same! I think moving into the mutual respect phase of our relationship was so helpful for my parent-child relationship.
AssiduousLayabout@reddit
Yeah, my dad and I actually get along so much better when we're not able to get on each other's nerves 7 days a week. He's a great dad and I wouldn't have him any other way, but our relationship is better when we see each other six to eight times a year and spend more time in the "it's so good to see him again" phase, rather than the "wow he's being annoying again" phase.
bangbangracer@reddit
I can agree with this. Love my dad, and he loves me. But us seeing each other once a month is a lot better than us living together and arguing about how long we spend in the bathroom in the morning.
Broad-Cranberry-9050@reddit
exactly. Me and my sister almost never got a long. We are just opposites. I left home, it took some time we didnt really talk much outside of the once a month call to check up on each other because our parents would be mad if we didnt.
But then all the annoying stuff she did was no longer part of my everyday life so it was easy to look past that and realize that when she's not being annooying she's actually interesting.
But then we are in the same room too long and all the annoying stuff comes back lol.
nervousanalysis420@reddit
Yeah same I was not mentally well living with my mom but im still not now but I don't take it out on her anymore because she's not who I see most often also therapy has drastically reduced the amount of times I take it out on others anhway.
Frequent-Froyo-5483@reddit
We had the typical sibling rivalry as kids. As adults we all adore each other. We call each other on the phone all the time and really enjoy each other’s company during visits. My mom, on the other hand, I love her dearly, but I definitely get annoyed with her after a couple of days.
CultofEight27@reddit
I don’t think there’s a one size fits all answer. If family relationships weaken because the child no longer lives at home it’s probably because of some other dysfunction in the home.
I married an immigrant and the difference in familial relationships is quite pronounced, especially the presence of extended family members.
houdini31@reddit
You have a combination of distance, growing up and learning independence so they do weaken but some not a whole lot and others drastically
sgtm7@reddit
Weaken? Not sure what you mean. It is natural that once someone is an adult and moves out of the house, that they will live their lives separately like adults should do.
Konradleijon@reddit
Yes exactly
LopsidedGrapefruit11@reddit
I don’t think so. Relationships are different between parents and children as the kids mature, but I don’t think moving out/graduating is a primary reason for this.
Sabertooth767@reddit
Not necessarily weaken, but it definitely changes.
There is also the simple fact that, on average, when you turn 18, you'll have spent 90% of the time you ever will with your parents.
drumzandice@reddit
As a recent empty nester that just made me really sad.
SomeJoeSchmo@reddit
Damn…visit your parents everyone 🥺
greatteachermichael@reddit
Naww... my dad lies to me about politics and religion constantly. I've told him 100 times not to bring it up but he just keeps shooting off his mouth. I'm way more sane never talking to him
Cinisajoy2@reddit
One is in a wall and the other is in the ground.
Dr_Watson349@reddit
Haha no that’s terrible.
ClickClick_Boom@reddit
This...varies.
I love my mom, but I lived with her up til I was 27 years old (33 now.) I recently went on a 1 week vacation with her and I was reminded that her and I do not get a long very well when we're with each other for long periods. Our personalities just clash. We get a long fine with a few miles between us though.
justdisa@reddit
Oh, that's so sad. I see my kids more now that they're in their 30s than I did when they were teenagers and living in the same house as me.
Responsible_Ask3976@reddit
I’m 30 and I’m still able to see them on a weekly basis! 💙💙 I love them
Powersmith@reddit
😭
StormFallen9@reddit
Yep, it definitely changes. You spend a lot less time around them, so it can feel like it's weakening (if you had a good relationship before, otherwise spending time away can make it better)
But really if you want to keep a good relationship with them you need to put the time and effort into it. Gotta visit, spend time with them, talk to them, keep them updated on your life, and more just to maintain it
Duque_de_Osuna@reddit
Yes, but that is part of becoming your own person. It is inevitable.
Scazitar@reddit
It strengthened significantly for me.
I had a very fractured relationship with my parents in my teenage years but as adults that don't have to depend on each other and I got more mature, we got really close.
Chewiedozier567@reddit
I’d say the correct answer would be it changes more than it weakens. The only way family relationships tend to weaken is often the death of grandparents tends to make a difference. Often many people will come together with extended family who live far away mostly due to the fact the grandparents are the only common connection. After the passing of grandparents, the reunions tend to be less common.
LetterheadClassic306@reddit
kinda depends on the family honestly. i moved out at 18 and definitely talk to my parents less often but we're still close. it's more about life getting busy than not caring. some people drift apart for sure but a lot of us just shift to phone calls and holiday visits. my brother lives across the country and we text every few days. the bond doesn't weaken as much as the routine changes. you just have to make a little effort.
FishWestern6148@reddit
there’s a reason they say you spend about the same amount of time with your kids from 0-18 and you do from graduation to the end of your life
maomaochong_@reddit
I mean if they didn’t like their parents then yes
Certain-Monitor5304@reddit
No. Distance improved relationships.
FartCartographer@reddit
It definitely changes, but in my experience the family relationships weaken when the patriarch or matriarch dies. My grandparents died and I basically stopped interacting with my cousins as much. It kind of shifts? Like now my parents are the grandparents and our siblings and kids were our focus. But now my parents are gone, and the focus shifts further.
baalroo@reddit
Yeah, of course it is. When you don't live with someone, the relationship usually "weakens," no?
I mean, I talk to my mother like a couple of times a month, and we see each other in person about half again as often, and I feel like that is a totally normal amount.
Like, we share DNA, and she fed and houses me as a child, but we don't really have much at all in common as adults. Our interests, morals, and ethics are quite different, and frankly, if we "hung out" much we'd probably end up hating each other.
Living-Night4476@reddit
lol hanging out with my mom would entail me going to her house to sit on her couch to watch a show that she picked or a movie while she is sitting in a different chair away from me maybe on other side of room on her iPad and if I ask to change it, I get a no I am watching that.
Living-Night4476@reddit
35f. Yes. I have no desire to see my siblings at all. My parents from time to time yes I still require to physically see. but I am glad I do not have to see my 7 siblings and their offspring and spouses anymore. I’ll pick up the phone if anyone calls me but I do not call anyone but my mother father and husband, not even my kids. (Youngest 20 and there is 3 of them). They talk to me like once a month and I am fine with that.
No_Butterscotch_5612@reddit
It strongly depends on the people. I know people who moved and have quite purposefully not seen their parents since. I live on the opposite side of the continent from my parents, but talk to them regularly. There are endless variations.
rco8786@reddit
Any relationship weakens with distance. so yes.
GamerDadofAntiquity@reddit
My parents and 3 siblings are spread out all over the country. My parents are together but live 1000 miles away from me and my nearest sibling lives about 500 miles away. My furthest is 3000 miles away on the opposite coast. None of us live in the same state as each other.
Equivalent European distance comparison: I live in Turkey, my parents live in Belarus, my nearest sibling is in Romania, another is in France and the last is in Ireland.
Bluemonogi@reddit
Things change when your kids grow up and become more independent. That doesn’t mean the relationship is weaker just different.
Whenever I was not living at home I called my mom every Sunday morning. This continued until she died when I was 37 years old. We also e-mailed often. I visited about once a month when I moved out of state but within driving distance. My parents visited my home as well before my mom’s health failed. After my mom died I e-mailed my dad weekly- his preference. He moved to a different state and with schedules I would only get to visit twice a year. As he got older he wasn’t up for traveling to visit me. I think up until his death in September 2025 we were closer than we were when I was growing up. The relationships that got weaker were my relationships with my siblings.
notthegoatseguy@reddit
Americans wanting to live independently does not mean they don't love their parents or other family.
It just means they want to be both independent and love their family.
And honestly after 20 years of them putting up with your shit, the parents deserve a break too.
notchevybut@reddit
Not one person has ever asked to be born into this world. The parents chose to create a person.
Cinisajoy2@reddit
And sometimes for nefarious reasons.
notthegoatseguy@reddit
Ok?
tn00bz@reddit
I actually got closer to my dad after moving out. When I lived at home we were constantly at eachothers throats. We did not get along. Turns out we just needed some space away from eachother to really enjoy eachother.
Cinisajoy2@reddit
My daughter calls or zooms or texts a few times a day. We are 6 hours apart and 6 days together was too much
Cinisajoy2@reddit
It depends on the relationship. My relationship with my parents was better when I didn't live with them. Also mom kicked me out at 17 because I as I found out years later and ew I was competition.
tcrhs@reddit
No. That’s not what happened when I left home and got my own place. I made the time to spend with my family because it was a priority for me.
Dr_Watson349@reddit
My relationship with my dad got better because most his bullshit involved “when you are under my roof…”. Turns out when I wasn’t he didn’t care.
Made things easier.
CuriousSurfer19@reddit
Yes, and no.
I think it can depend on codependency, toxic relationships within the family, and willingness to work things out. I grew up in a very dysfunctional family and most of us have went our separate ways, grew up in divorced home with a lot of arguing. Perhaps we’ve all taken time and space to heal and will come back together when we can have healthier boundaries. And more mutual respect for one another without control issues (when I was 32 my parents tried to sit me down in their living room like when I was younger and scold me for assumptions they made about a situation where they were wrong). I got up and walked out the door lol I said I’m not a kid anymore and left at ease knowing I don’t have to put myself through this.
I do think the US in general is more individualistic and don’t see as many generations living together
-Boston-Terrier-@reddit
I wouldn't say after graduating, moving out, and renting an apartment so much as I would say starting your own family - albeit graduating, moving out, and renting an apartment is a first step toward that.
I love my parents and siblings very much but I'm married with 4 children. My immediate family has changed and so have my priorities.
twoCascades@reddit
Honestly mine got so much better. There is so much resentment that goes away when you don’t live together. So many little problems that don’t matter anymore when you have your own space and are in charge of your own life.
itsjustmo_@reddit
No, of course not! Individuation is a critical element of healthy emotional development. It strengthens relationships. If a family dynamic suffers once the child has left, it's a sign the family system is dysfunctional.
Deadbeat699@reddit
It depends. My family is Mexican, so moving out strengthened our relationship in a different way. I would say I am much closer to my parents now than when I lived with them.
Ok-Energy2771@reddit
Don't know about common but it happened to me.
rebby2000@reddit
Change more than weaken. In my case, my parents and I started getting along much, much better once I left the nest.
DharmaCub@reddit
Significantly stronger.
Admiral_AKTAR@reddit
No, I know mine didn't. At least not until I moved to the literal other side of the country in my late 20s. Before that, I'd say our relationship changed, but we actually got closer in many ways.
Darkrose50@reddit
Some people kick their kids out at 18. I always found this to be abhorrent. My entire life I thought that these people were horrible.
KellyAnn3106@reddit
My parents sold the house as soon as we were in college. Relationships soured quickly over it as we were told we were on our own. I was a teenager the last time we were all in the same room. We don't get together for holidays or reunions.
Responsible-Fun4303@reddit
100% dependent on the family dynamics in my opinion. I think they change as the members age and get independent, but not all weaken. My husband grew up in an abusive home, as well as poverty. He is basically no contact with the majority of his family and that started when he moved out at 18 (to be fare it was low contact after moving out and has since moved to majority no contact). I moved 6 hours away from my family and we talk in some way daily, still attempt holidays, and take camping trips together. I grew up in a healthy home environment for comparison.
nimaku@reddit
My relationships got better with my parents and my brother after moving out. The time and space away from them helps you appreciate the good things about the other person when you are together, and lets them do the things that annoy you when you are not. It’s a “you can’t see the forest for the trees” situation.
Staggering_genius@reddit
Thank god, yes.
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
No more than anywhere else really.
sparklyjoy@reddit
There’s a lot of places where people just don’t do those things and I assume that’s where the question is coming from
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
Bet it's not.
78723@reddit
OP’s flair is Algeria.
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
Fair enough.
zedazeni@reddit
My parents went from being mom and dad to friends. My husband and I live a 10-hour drive from my parents, but when they visit, they stay at our house, we’ll go out drinking at the local breweries, go out and do stuff. Yes, they’re “mom and dad” in literal terms but they’re not a just a parent anymore.
Roadhouse699@reddit
Honestly, I think my relationship with my parents got better with space between us.
78723@reddit
The relationships will change certainly. Going from a child dependent on parents to independent adults. I’d say my parents are two of my best friends. We enjoy each other’s company, and very happy to help each other however needed, respect each other and are interested in each other’s lives and thoughts. We’re all equals, and there is definitely not any hierarchy or ‘you have to listen to me because I’m older’ vibes. Although there never really were even when I was younger.
PorkChopEat@reddit
I think they definitely take more effort after graduating (or not) and moving out. Some families drift apart. Some stay tight.
seancbo@reddit
I don't know about weaken. I'd say it's more of a right of passage. It's the end of childhood and the start of adulthood. Though with literally every question on this sub, that needs the disclaimer of "there's a ton of variety".
camicalm@reddit
Rite of passage
seancbo@reddit
My American education in action WOOO 🦅 🦅 🦅
playfulwarning@reddit
I agree with the majority of posters. Your relationship shifts to that of parent/adult versus parent/child. Sometimes it can be difficult but often exciting to see your parents/child from a different perspective.
WhatABeautifulMess@reddit
If I had to guess from what I've seen with people I know I'd say it's as common for relationships to improve as weaken. They certainly change, but I wouldn't assume for the worse. Living together has it's own unique stressors and expectations. I know many people who's relationships with their parents got better when they moved out. Most people I know describe their relationships with their siblings as better as an adult than when they were kids.
Sober_Navajo1996@reddit
It depends on culture really. But I guess for most; I wouldn’t say family bonds weaken, probably just changes.
Like when parents become grandparents, and siblings become aunties and uncles; you know.
bugga2024@reddit
Depends. I moved out but I'm only a 15 minute drive from my parents and sibling. I talk to my mom daily, even multiple times a day, and bring my son down to visit at least once a week. My husband though? We live 10 minutes from his mom and he speaks to her once a week when I go to her house for a class she runs. He speaks to his dad who lives 30 minutes away about once a month or so. It entirely depends on the family.
AlternativeWild3449@reddit
The US is a very big country. And especially for those going to college, its not at all uncommon to find yourself in a job after graduation that is very far from home and family.
Technology makes it possible to keep in touch. When I graduated from college, it was an expensive long-distance telephone call to check in with the 'rents. We were able to talk every week or so. Today, with mobile phones and video conferencing, its much easier to remain connected.
But inevitably, your life will follow a trajectory that will not align with the life trajectories of others in your family. And frankly, that's what most people want to happen. You are unique, and deserve to evolve in whatever way is most natural for you rather than being constrained by family traditions.
Sharp_Ad_9431@reddit
They weaken because the USA has a serious mental health issues that go untreated and destroys families.
Intrepid_Table_8593@reddit
My wife it made her bond stronger.
My family it was already damaged and now I talk to my parents once a month tops and maybe once a year I go and see them.
IAmABurdenOnSociety@reddit
Family is definitely NOT the most important thing in American culture.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Kind of? You just talk a lot less than you used to.
Communal-Lipstick@reddit
No way. Becoming an independent adult makes one appreciate all their parents did for them in a remarkable way and you transition to becoming adult friendships.
frisky_husky@reddit
Not more than anywhere else. I think it's often the opposite. My sister and mom have a good relationship, but they were always in each other's hair when they lived together. They do very well living close to each other in separate houses, where it doesn't matter that every water cup in the house will end up on my sister's nightstand.
Adorable-Growth-6551@reddit
My relationship probably became stronger, but i do see them less then i did. It changed into something much closer to a friendship then a parent/child relationship.
bluerog@reddit
I personally think there is an instinct that kicks in between parents and late years teenagers. The teen will piss the parents off on purpose more often. And the parents will be more pissed off than they should be at their teen.
This is so that biologically, the teens will move away from immediate family and procreate.
But yeah... I graduated high school at age 18, moved into a condo with 3 other friends. And began life. Took me a year to get on at a relatively high paying manufacturing job. And 4 years after moving out I was making the equivalent of $80,000 a year (with overtime) and enjoying my young adult life.
Not possible if I live with parents until age 26.
Free-Sherbet2206@reddit
Hard to weaken something that wasn’t strong to begin with
Ok_Caterpillar2010@reddit
There's less contact, sure, because you're not in physical proximity as much, so you have to make an actual effort instead of just being there and having family life happen to you. But what contact there is tends to be of higher value, I think. The actual amount varies hugely.
And at first, the ones moving out are caught up in the novelty and challenges of life on their own, so their attention isn't going as much to their families in the beginning, but it later returns to the degree that there was anything there worth returning to.
If you're worrying about your own relationship changing, yes, it will change, but how it changes depends on you and your family. Nothing's written in stone. You create it.
Whatswrongbaby9@reddit
I don’t talk to my dad for various reasons but I moved out of his place long before I was college age. My stepdad died after I had left the house for a career, we never talked outside of me visiting, I miss him a lot. My mom and I text about once a week and call each other less than that but we’re in touch. We both like our space
I have friends who I text back and forth with every day. I moved farther away from them but our lives are still pretty close. Sister and I have gotten closer as we became adults, but the space is important
andrewrbat@reddit
My relationship with my mom got better. I was a kid who really needed a lot of independence. And to make my own mistakes. Not to be lectured and controlled. My mom was a good parent, i just wanted to be free of the endless unsolicited advice.
qu33nof5pad35@reddit
Mine drastically changed when my grandmother died. And it keeps going downhill.
Folksma@reddit
What's how I'm guessing mine will go
She'll pass and I doubt I'll keep in contact with my parent and like 2 other family members
EvaisAchu@reddit
Mine got better with my mom. Stayed the same with my dad and sister. Extended family relationships did weaken but that was pretty much a coincidence since the move out coincided with some family drama.
mooshinformation@reddit
I think for a lot of ppl it gets better, moving out removes a lot of friction. you can move past that teenager/parent dynamic and stop fighting about whose job it is to do the dishes or curfew. When you come visit, you just socialize and have a nice time (for the most part).
bangbangracer@reddit
Weaken is a strong word. I'd say it gets different because you aren't just 100% there.
cmiller4642@reddit
It's just the way stuff is here. You're expected to be an independent adult that prioritizes work and your own social life. Your parents understand because they did the same thing.
thickjamaicanuncle@reddit
Something I've seen quite a few times is the relationship between a daughter and mother who fight constantly and hate each other changing into the sweetest, friendliest relationship ever when the daughter moves out.
Additional_Gate3629@reddit
In general family relationships in the US weaken as the children age UNLESS they live close to each other.
I didn't know my grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. We lived thousands of miles away. So distance is likely the number one reason and also not uncommon for elderly parents to live on their own which also weakens generational bonds.
That said, my parents were abusive and looking back i wish i had left home and never looked back. I would have been a happier person had i been able to do that. There are a lot of negatives to how easy it is to weaken and even break the family bonds but when it comes to really abusive situations i think it's good it's much easier here than elsewhere to leave and make a life elsewhere without biological family being an issue.
Rockglen@reddit
From what I've seen a lot of this depends on the habits of the family, the individuals, and on geographic proximity.
A lot of people have to move for work & get ahead in their career. If you decide to stay physically close to your family you're more likely to have more limited job prospects.
All that said, there's a cultural expectation that to be a competent/independent/functioning adult you are able to live apart from your family after graduating. This is being challenged by economic factors (housing costs mainly), but generally people try to make it work with roommates rather than to live with family.
purple_lily17@reddit
Mine did initially, but I moved out of my parents house into my finances house, so there was that dynamic. Now that I have kids, we see each other a couple times a month, and FaceTime almost everyday.
Mysterious_Luck4674@reddit
Mine got better.
6gravedigger66@reddit
The older I get the less I talk to them.
socabella@reddit
Do they weaken in other countries when someone moves out and rents an apartment?
Working-Emergency-34@reddit
Anecdotally; unsure. I am no-contact with my family as of now, but I’d say 50/50 whether my friends are close with their parents.
Dramatic-Blueberry98@reddit
Not necessarily weaken per se, especially not when it’s much easier to maintain some form of contact with people these days.
However, it is common enough to become distant with cousins and more distant relatives. At least, on both sides of my family this has been true for the past few generations.
ChainWise6768@reddit
I mean, sure, how is it possible for that not to inevitably happen?
ScatterTheReeds@reddit
I don’t think so personally, but it probably happens for some.
Weird_Squirrel_8382@reddit
I talk to a lot of parents who are scared the relationship will weaken and I'm always saying "no, it'll change!" I will say more young adults are deciding to sever relationships that were abusive, and I am glad they don't feel the need to pretend. But if you get along well with your parents, it just changes. I'm friends with my mom and with my adult son. It's nice!
Irak00@reddit
It gets better because you’re no longer living together & have to share a space & have those everyday annoyances. Ex: I don’t fight with my sisters because they can’t just come in my room & take my things anymore.
retreff@reddit
Big life events cause change. Going away to college, getting a job, getting married. My senior year in college my parents sold the family home and moved to another state due to my father’s job. The relationship changed forever. Visiting them wasn’t going home, it was visiting them at their house. Got a job a thousand miles away and got married. We stayed somewhat close for a year or so, then went our own way.
jc8495@reddit
My relationship with my mom got a lot better because we didn’t have to talk to or see each other as much once I moved out. We did NOT get along when I had to live with her
malektewaus@reddit
I would say no, but it does tend to reveal the true state of the relationship in a way the parents can't ignore. This may not matter at all, or it can mean the relationship is basically over. Neglectful, uncaring or abusive parents can't lie to themselves anymore about what sort of parents they've actually been, or rather they can but reality no longer indulges their delusions.
TempestCola@reddit
It changes; when I was that age I didn’t hardly want to see my parents but now I’m in my 30’s and regularly get together with them (2x or more a week); as you get older you’ll likely appreciate them older even if they made mistakes.
jmims98@reddit
Mine improved. We were butting heads quite a bit towards the end of high school, and I think my parents were a bit excited to have some time off of parenting after 18 years.
While I see my family less often now, it feels like the time is more special.
hitometootoo@reddit
Not really. Sure you may not talk as often, life happens right. But I wouldn't say the relationship dynamic will weaken of all things.
bull0143@reddit
Not really. Sibling relationships often get stronger.
WordsAreGarbage@reddit
It depends on how far you move, how good you are at staying in touch/how much you like talking on the phone etc, how financially independent you truly are, how effective things like obligation and guilt-tripping are on you personally, and most of all: how much you genuinely liked your family in the first place.
crunchyfoliage@reddit
I think there are a lot of factors here. I moved away for college but talked to my parents a few times a week and visited a few times a year. I moved back to my hometown as they got older to help out and saw them every day until they passed away.
On the other hand I know a lot of people who never had great relationships with their families. They were happy to get out as soon as they could and set strong boundaries with family members or cut them off completely
If you value the relationship you have with your family moving out doesn't necessarily degrade that. You just have to put a little more work in.
Carinyosa99@reddit
It depends on the family. Some grow more distant. Others are just as close as always if not closer. I mean, if you move out and then live hundreds of miles away from your family, it's going to become more distant most likely. But if you stay in the same area, you could remain really close. This is not something that is unique to the US.
idiot_sauvage@reddit
Yes, and 100% by design
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Mine did because I left my hometown for work and education. Many, but certainly not all, Americans live very far from home, so things certainly change.
Zealousideal_Crow737@reddit
I don't think weaken is the right word. It's more so we grow more independent.
I call my mom like everyday lol although I live 2 hours away.
sics2014@reddit
I moved out and still see my parents every weekend and we text throughout the week. They were just over last weekend for board games, and I'm going over tomorrow to visit and walk their dogs.
PossumJenkinsSoles@reddit
Only improved mine when I suddenly needed to come home to do my laundry for free every weekend and raid the pantry
marvelguy1975@reddit
No