The problem is/was not in cars as they are... Problem is/was in pricetag. There are decent American cars, that really caught on in Europe and some trashbags that got nice use here, but unless they'll be at same price european or chinese production... There's no way that average old continent person will be interested in anything like that... Because price is their reason to buy.
Guess why there's so low amount of luxury cars in Europe
Low amount of luxury cars? In the home of Aston Martin, Bugatti, Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc?? I can’t even think of a luxury American car brand.
Literally, video and episode of LochNess was to find answer "Why American Cars didn't caught on in Europe?"... Even in first line of posted here video...
Tell me something... Did brands you've mentioned "caught on" just like american clothes?
Like seriously... How many Bentley's you're seeing on roads? Ferraris or even Porsches that are from more expensive side of catalog?
Same way as American cars didn't caught on in Europe, we don't see everyone or "average people" driving RRs.
Now, things change a bit with Ford's introduction of pickups and Mustang, but still, cost is massive, for both sides. Customers, because American cars in Europe were never cheap and if you want to import some from USA, you have to pay ridiculous taxes and import fees (oh and let's not forget that cars presented in episode were from Cold War times, where communism dominated half of continent plus, there was limitation in access to fuel in many areas. Oh and some countries introduced in 70s, a tax that was only applicable when your engine exceeded 2 litres. And it often exceeded value of car, not mentioning fees and stuff), and for manufacturers, since they need to get through legislation processes...
None of mentioned by You manufacturers are luxury brand.
yes, some of them are considered as "premium", but make variety of models for different segments...
Unless you're trying to convince anyone that Audi A2 or Mercedes W168 or BMW i3 were luxury models 😅
Or most popular taxi on east of Europe, which was Mercedes W124
They're designed to lookutterly gorgeous on biiiig highways. But in British cities and country roads, its obnoxious. The man who can take up an entire street without shame isn't someone I want to drink with.
This section was shot in Edinburgh, it would take a LOT of intentional and concerted effort to go down these streets. The vast majority of them are for service vehicles and pedestrian access and that's about it. People don't drive there, it doesn't makes sense as there's main roads literally right next to it going actually where you need to go instead of slowly better for two alleys
As far as I’m aware, you are allowed to drive those things with a normal driving license. Trucks in Europe require a truck driving license. They are driven as regular daily cars in the US.
3500 kg is the limit for driving a vehicle with a normal driving license in Europe. I cannot find a number for the F350 but I doubt it’s legal to drive with a normal license in Europe.
My point was that cars in the US are on average way bigger than cars in Europe. When I’m in the US, I’m always amazed by the size of the cars. The Volvo XC90 is a huge car in Europe but is considered a medium sized SUV in US.
Unimogs are industrial vehicles. I've seen three in my life and 1 of those was at a show.
While we are unfortunately afflicted with SUVs as well it's a completely different scale to American vehicles. Yukons, Escalades and the like are all over cities, where F150s barely fit here.
F350 is what he used as an example and is supposed to be technically for industrial use. Yes, something like an F150 is something you would not commonly see in Europe. US cities were mainly developed on the XX century, while cities in Europe are centuries old. Still, I live in Philadelphia and you don't see huge cars here due to the same reason you don't see them in Europe. It is just impractical. I own a Mini and a classic Mercedes and I tend to use the Mini to drive within the city.
I mean, thats a technicality and a half isnt it? There are also weight limits in my country that many US trucks fall the wrong side of.
Even without going down that rabbit hole, American vehicles are huge compared to European ones, thats just a fact. They look utterly comical on European roads on the rare occasion you see an import. The absolute smallest pickups are the only ones sold normally and they are at the limit of sensibility.
Yes, they are bigger indeed than European cars, but never as big as they were in the 1970s. 90% of cars in the US are just the size of normal mid and full size European cars. A US spec Camry or Rav4 is not bigger than an European car of that segment. The US just doesn't have A and B segment cars.
I won't say "best" but my favorite car i ever owned was a 20 year old '85 Oldsmobile cutlass supreme coupe, With a full 8 cylinders a speedometer that went all the way up to 85mph, it was like driving a nice worn in couch, that overheated, a lot, like, A LOT. Still, it was $800 and i drove it for 10 months, and then an auto shop paid me 200 for it when it finally blew the head because he had 3 more and was trying to make one working one.
You just cant get road head as well in a bucket seat.
There are no chinese brand automakers selling in America, there's been a 100% tariff for like, forever. Pre Orange Menace. The best selling sedans in America are Toyota, Honda and Nissan. EU doesnt even make the top 10. https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/most-popular-sedans/
Agreed. It’s really only the Germans that make luxury coupes anymore. When I was a teenager in the 80s, that’s how I knew a friend had a Cool Dad: He drove a Eldorado, Mark VIII, Riviera, Thunderbird, etc. Only Boring Dads had cars with four doors.
And opel is german but they used to be gm since like a 100 years ago and now they are stellantis which is also partly american. I’m not saying they are american cars though but maybe share some dna
Isn’t it a product of ford europe? I’m genuinely not sure how european/american it is but euro fords definitely are very popular in the uk and the rest of europe too
godverdejezushey@reddit
One of my favourite interactions comes from this special May: "Driving this I feel like Elvis Presley" Clarkson: "What, dead on a lavatory?"
jhill9901@reddit
Absolutely needed that laugh. Thank you.
thedudefromsweden@reddit
That’s brilliant 😁
YousureWannaknow@reddit
The problem is/was not in cars as they are... Problem is/was in pricetag. There are decent American cars, that really caught on in Europe and some trashbags that got nice use here, but unless they'll be at same price european or chinese production... There's no way that average old continent person will be interested in anything like that... Because price is their reason to buy. Guess why there's so low amount of luxury cars in Europe
Haunting_Design5818@reddit
Low amount of luxury cars? In the home of Aston Martin, Bugatti, Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc?? I can’t even think of a luxury American car brand.
YousureWannaknow@reddit
Literally, video and episode of LochNess was to find answer "Why American Cars didn't caught on in Europe?"... Even in first line of posted here video... Tell me something... Did brands you've mentioned "caught on" just like american clothes?
Like seriously... How many Bentley's you're seeing on roads? Ferraris or even Porsches that are from more expensive side of catalog? Same way as American cars didn't caught on in Europe, we don't see everyone or "average people" driving RRs. Now, things change a bit with Ford's introduction of pickups and Mustang, but still, cost is massive, for both sides. Customers, because American cars in Europe were never cheap and if you want to import some from USA, you have to pay ridiculous taxes and import fees (oh and let's not forget that cars presented in episode were from Cold War times, where communism dominated half of continent plus, there was limitation in access to fuel in many areas. Oh and some countries introduced in 70s, a tax that was only applicable when your engine exceeded 2 litres. And it often exceeded value of car, not mentioning fees and stuff), and for manufacturers, since they need to get through legislation processes...
Haunting_Design5818@reddit
This literally makes no sense.
YousureWannaknow@reddit
Right... Because american cars are, were and will be cheap to import 😝 And we all can afford Maybach's and Ferrari ia most common company car 🤣
HirsuteHacker@reddit
Yeah there are so few Mercedes, BMWs or Audis here in Europe
YousureWannaknow@reddit
None of mentioned by You manufacturers are luxury brand. yes, some of them are considered as "premium", but make variety of models for different segments...
Unless you're trying to convince anyone that Audi A2 or Mercedes W168 or BMW i3 were luxury models 😅 Or most popular taxi on east of Europe, which was Mercedes W124
Thefdt@reddit
American cars are powerful, but inefficient and unrefined. Much like the country.
Lunaxlv@reddit (OP)
Cause of a certain people who I won't mention
Hopeful_chap@reddit
All of the above criticism was valid long before someone plunged that thing out of a toilet.
TheRomanRuler@reddit
They are not even necessarily powerful, for good while you got less power out of big American engine than smaller European or Asian one
Bluntbutnotonpurpose@reddit
I blame the streets of Edinburgh...
HussingtonHat@reddit
They're designed to lookutterly gorgeous on biiiig highways. But in British cities and country roads, its obnoxious. The man who can take up an entire street without shame isn't someone I want to drink with.
Nel43_YTB@reddit
Tbf we dont really use them here either anymore.
wimpires@reddit
This section was shot in Edinburgh, it would take a LOT of intentional and concerted effort to go down these streets. The vast majority of them are for service vehicles and pedestrian access and that's about it. People don't drive there, it doesn't makes sense as there's main roads literally right next to it going actually where you need to go instead of slowly better for two alleys
1mrjimmymac@reddit
Gosh, I thought it was because they are utter shite and can’t go around a corner at more 20 kph!! Well I never!
florencepughsboobies@reddit
“American cars have never caught on” except for all the Fords I see on a regular basis
twitch1982@reddit
Sadly, america does not use those cars any more either.
thedudefromsweden@reddit
No, they are way bigger now.
mundotaku@reddit
Neither bigger nor as slow.
thedudefromsweden@reddit
Ever seen a Ford F350?
mundotaku@reddit
That is literally a truck... You know European also have trucks?
Several-Eggplant4460@reddit
Show me a dozen white collar Europeans driving lifted Unimogs to the grocery store, and we'll talk.
Saint_The_Stig@reddit
The US literally doesn't make cars anymore, all they make is trucks.
Arashikage88@reddit
Big trucks too. I miss small utility trucks like the 90's and 2000's Ford Ranger
thedudefromsweden@reddit
As far as I’m aware, you are allowed to drive those things with a normal driving license. Trucks in Europe require a truck driving license. They are driven as regular daily cars in the US.
mundotaku@reddit
You can drive to axel trucks with a normal license, as long as you don't have a large load on the back.
thedudefromsweden@reddit
3500 kg is the limit for driving a vehicle with a normal driving license in Europe. I cannot find a number for the F350 but I doubt it’s legal to drive with a normal license in Europe.
My point was that cars in the US are on average way bigger than cars in Europe. When I’m in the US, I’m always amazed by the size of the cars. The Volvo XC90 is a huge car in Europe but is considered a medium sized SUV in US.
Arashikage88@reddit
Just shy of 3320kg for a 4x4 LWB super cab F350 with the 6.7L diesel engine
TurboDorito@reddit
Unimogs are industrial vehicles. I've seen three in my life and 1 of those was at a show.
While we are unfortunately afflicted with SUVs as well it's a completely different scale to American vehicles. Yukons, Escalades and the like are all over cities, where F150s barely fit here.
mundotaku@reddit
F350 is what he used as an example and is supposed to be technically for industrial use. Yes, something like an F150 is something you would not commonly see in Europe. US cities were mainly developed on the XX century, while cities in Europe are centuries old. Still, I live in Philadelphia and you don't see huge cars here due to the same reason you don't see them in Europe. It is just impractical. I own a Mini and a classic Mercedes and I tend to use the Mini to drive within the city.
nsfwthrowaway5969@reddit
Yeah you aren't going to win this battle. American cars/pickups are ludicrously big- The Mercedes you mentioned requires a different licence to drive.
mundotaku@reddit
Not as long as they have 2 axels and you don't use it for cargo...
nsfwthrowaway5969@reddit
I mean, thats a technicality and a half isnt it? There are also weight limits in my country that many US trucks fall the wrong side of.
Even without going down that rabbit hole, American vehicles are huge compared to European ones, thats just a fact. They look utterly comical on European roads on the rare occasion you see an import. The absolute smallest pickups are the only ones sold normally and they are at the limit of sensibility.
mundotaku@reddit
Yes, they are bigger indeed than European cars, but never as big as they were in the 1970s. 90% of cars in the US are just the size of normal mid and full size European cars. A US spec Camry or Rav4 is not bigger than an European car of that segment. The US just doesn't have A and B segment cars.
twitch1982@reddit
yea, but they suck.
thedudefromsweden@reddit
I remember my uncle had an old Cadillac back in the day with a sofa in the front where you could sit three. Coolest car 10yo me had ever seen.
twitch1982@reddit
An old Cadillac is the coolest car you ever will see.
Lunaxlv@reddit (OP)
This guy knows ball
twitch1982@reddit
I won't say "best" but my favorite car i ever owned was a 20 year old '85 Oldsmobile cutlass supreme coupe, With a full 8 cylinders a speedometer that went all the way up to 85mph, it was like driving a nice worn in couch, that overheated, a lot, like, A LOT. Still, it was $800 and i drove it for 10 months, and then an auto shop paid me 200 for it when it finally blew the head because he had 3 more and was trying to make one working one.
You just cant get road head as well in a bucket seat.
Lunaxlv@reddit (OP)
But most cars come from Eu or China if I'm right
twitch1982@reddit
There are no chinese brand automakers selling in America, there's been a 100% tariff for like, forever. Pre Orange Menace. The best selling sedans in America are Toyota, Honda and Nissan. EU doesnt even make the top 10. https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/most-popular-sedans/
Guardsred70@reddit
Agreed. It’s really only the Germans that make luxury coupes anymore. When I was a teenager in the 80s, that’s how I knew a friend had a Cool Dad: He drove a Eldorado, Mark VIII, Riviera, Thunderbird, etc. Only Boring Dads had cars with four doors.
Meowscles_dad@reddit
Japan would like a word.
Guardsred70@reddit
True. Lexus stubbornly builds coupes.
Adventurous-Bet-1402@reddit
True
Transmetropolite@reddit
Man, if only there wasn't an annoying ass logo in the middle of that video.
thehobosapiens@reddit
Still, it could be worse.
Imagine all of the emojis that could still fit in there.
Several-Eggplant4460@reddit
And there could have been that annoying artificial female tiktok voice over
Lunaxlv@reddit (OP)
Sorry 😔
Riazor2000@reddit
Please what episode of TG or GT is this?
ChristOfFear@reddit
Grand tour special "Lochdown"
Riazor2000@reddit
Thanks!
Lunaxlv@reddit (OP)
Anytime
LegoBars@reddit
I love how James sings a part and it suddenly switches, such an unexpected killer joke
Adventurous-Bet-1402@reddit
And America doesn’t use a ton of European cars fair enough right
TrueTech0@reddit
Plenty of bmws , VWs, Mercedes and Renault–Nissan–Mitsubishi
221missile@reddit
Plenty of Fords, Opel and Vauxhalls in Europe too.
TrueTech0@reddit
Vauxhall's is a British brand
sultan_of_gin@reddit
And opel is german but they used to be gm since like a 100 years ago and now they are stellantis which is also partly american. I’m not saying they are american cars though but maybe share some dna
221missile@reddit
For the vast majority of its history, Opel was GM drivetrains under european bodies.
Adventurous-Bet-1402@reddit
Yes but no ford trucks
Adventurous-Bet-1402@reddit
Nissan and Mitsubishi and Japanese
TrueTech0@reddit
Ik. The data I was looking at is for the Renault–Nissan–Mitsubishi Alliance, which in part is Renault, which is french
TRIPEL_HOP_OR_GTFO@reddit
You mean Stellantis that famously doesn’t include Renault but Peugeot and Citroen instead?
cuaolf@reddit
he probably meant Renault–Nissan–Mitsubishi Alliance which includes Renault
TrueTech0@reddit
I did in fact say those words in that order for that reason
Adventurous-Bet-1402@reddit
Well still
WangDanglin@reddit
I’ve seen like 10 Renault in the states in the 36 years I’ve lived here
Sunburys@reddit
Wasn't the Ford Focus popular in the UK for everything I saw in Early top gear?
sultan_of_gin@reddit
Isn’t it a product of ford europe? I’m genuinely not sure how european/american it is but euro fords definitely are very popular in the uk and the rest of europe too
tomegerton99@reddit
We get the Mustang, but everything else is European market stuff designed for over here.
Most popular cars are the Ford Puma and Ford Kuga, which have effectively taken over from the Fiesta and Focus.
Meowscles_dad@reddit
It was German/British designed originally. The last model was German/Chinese - it’s not American at all.
Sunburys@reddit
We had that same type of Ford Focus in South America, don't know how was that car in usa.
Racing_Fox@reddit
Yes, Ford Europe is very different to Ford of America
HighNoonZ@reddit
Yes but it was made by Ford's European arm.
TRUMPARUSKI@reddit
Aight, now try that with Bullitt’s ‘stang
Meowscles_dad@reddit
It’s one of the reasons.