Schwab international or regular schwab?
Posted by reservedacademic2026@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 6 comments
Hi I am a U.S. citizen currently working and living in Germany. I want to transfer my U.S. 401(k) to a roth IRA at Schwab. I'm trying to figure out if I need to open a Schwab International account or if I could get a regular Schwab account? For context, I can use my parents' U.S. address but not sure of the tax implications of doing so, since I am based in Germany. I would also like to start investing with my Schwab account.
I'm very new to all this (I moved from the U.S. to Germany almost 3 years ago and my 401(k) has just been sitting at Inspira all this time) so any guidance will be greatly appreciated :)
Big-Eagle@reddit
Are you going to mainly invest in stocks or mutual funds? You won’t be able to invest in US mutual funds if you have Schwab International.
PhysicalAgent9063@reddit
Research treaties with the Us. I think they tax us income.
Holdihold@reddit
Call Schwab and ask. They have great customer support, friendly real people. I did a few months ago. For me the regular was better option for you who knows.
szayl@reddit
That's not how this works.
PuzzledArrival@reddit
Schwab International is the way to go - it's the only thing they'll let you open if you tell them you live in Germany. That's how I got started with Schwab when I came to Germany 7 years ago. There are several important things you need to know:
The tax treaty will govern whether any dividends you earn in a 401k or IRA are taxable in Germany. Not all of the tax-advantaged accounts in the US are given the same treatment. I'm not an expert, but I think Roths would not be seen as tax free.
In general, using your US address doesn't matter to the Finanzamt. You are taxed on worldwide income. But normally your broker will not like it if they find out you are living at a different address. This is about their sensitivity to compliance more than anything else.
As an EU resident, you are heavily restricted in the kinds of new investments you can make. Let's assume you have those invested in ETFs. Schwab should gladly take a roll-over or transfer of any existing accounts, and they should let you hold existing shares. But you will normally NOT be allowed to buy any new shares. It also means that your dividends will be credited to cash, you cannot have them automatically reinvested.
There is an EU regulation that demands specific consumer disclosures for funds like ETFs - and the shares you hold in your US IRA/401k are not compliant. That means they are not for sale to an EU resident. Instead, brokerages offer what's called UCITS compliant funds that can track the same index, but are listed on EU exchanges. Perfect - unless you are an American citizen. The IRS considers these funds foreign (even if it's an S&P fund) and the tax complexities are extreme. You can google PFIC to get an idea of this. Nearly everyone wants to stay far away.
There are some workarounds:
viperscorpio@reddit
If you're talking a traditional 401k to a Roth IRA that's going to have some tax implications.
Traditional 401k to regular ira, and you're probably in the clea, since they're both treaty recognized, but I'm no tax pro.