My son just killed grunge with one word..

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Fit-Yogurtcloset3023@reddit

Why care about it so much? Grunge is dead to you now

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jodawi@reddit

There's two genres there; after Grunge was Whinge.

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ChiknenPuffn71@reddit

I can't listen to the whining sounds of Radiohead either.

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jungle4john@reddit

Too many....Simpsons quotes....brain overloading...

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DeadWolf7337@reddit

Nirvana is cool, but he has a point with Radiohead, they do sound extremely "whiney" and boring. Radiohead is the most boring sounding band I've ever heard.

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Intelligent-Grass-49@reddit

Agree.. Creep gives “I’m in your math class.. but you won’t talk to me”

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Saint_Clovis@reddit

Not even Radiohead likes Creep. I find their other stuff though, to be pretty remarkable.

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snow80130@reddit

It was great in book of life. And I hate Radiohead

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Agree, I read an entire section of an article that said the band wanted creep off the album and the record label made them include it. I can see someone dismissing everything before OK Computer, it from there on? Radiohead the “most boring sounding band I’ve ever heard?” Do you think they’ve ever heard of REM or Aerosmith? Better yet Crosby, Stills, and Nash?

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VelvetObsidian@reddit

Creep was meant to be a parody of grunge. It’s not a serious song.

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NotEasilyConfused@reddit

Isn't that exactly what it is?

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excitabledude@reddit

Sounds like a nice kid.

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Kitchen-Homework-816@reddit

The whiney stuff wasn't as much grunge but whatever genre the Counting Crows came from

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Rumblebully@reddit

He sounds like a Tool Man

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Ill_Establishment406@reddit

Best band ever

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itstrueitellyou@reddit

Yes because Primus sucks

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Rumblebully@reddit

No more truer words have been spoken.

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

lol

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Parking-Inevitable19@reddit

Back in the 90s my son brought home a Nirvana CD, talked about what a genius Kurt Cobain was. I gave the CD a full listen and "Whiny" is the perfect description. You want to hear genius, listen to "Chicago Transit Authority" or any of Chicago's first five albums.

Hank Williams wrote and sang about heartbreak without being whiny.

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Diligent_Activity560@reddit

Pfff! You kids and the noise you call music. You should listen to real music like Lawrence Welk and His Champagne Music Makers!

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

There’s some old motherfers in this sub, I forget

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Pure_Literature2028@reddit

Ouch

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hfw01@reddit

My wife is genx like me, and she agrees with your son. She's been calling grunge whiny since the 90s. Thankfully she puts up with all the music I play, including the grunge.

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keep_on_keepin_on_23@reddit

I'm with your wife. I'm older Gen X (b 68), so 80s was my most meaningful music. It was fun, upbeat, mostly optimistic. I liked the more "emo" bands too like The Smiths, The Cure, etc, but even their music was more upbeat. I was already well into college when grunge hit. In comparison to what I lived, it did sound whiny and depressing. The exception for me was and still is Pearl Jam.

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hfw01@reddit

My wife was also in high school in the 80s, and 80s music is definitely more her speed. Grunge hit when I was still in high school, so our music tastes are a little different.

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keep_on_keepin_on_23@reddit

Ya, I think the music that is the "soundtrack" of adolescence is hard-wired into our subconscious. We remember all the details when we hear the music. It's wonderful

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warumistsiekrumm@reddit

I love "Yellow." Not whiny, plaintive.

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floppy_breasteses@reddit

Even in the 90s I would have agreed with your son. I hated Nirvana. Still do.

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Professional-Rent887@reddit

That sounds kinda whiny

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Ninja187@reddit

He would probably like to listen to some Nettspend or 2Slimey and other talented musical philosophers of his generation

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iotakbc@reddit

They have music nowadays? Who da thunk. Must be all AI

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Ninja187@reddit

I wouldn’t consider it music and if you’re brave give one of those “artists” I mentioned a listen

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neitherzeronorone@reddit

You sound just like the old people who hated our “music.”

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Ninja187@reddit

Most of “their” musicians couldn’t even carry our musicians gear, it’s hot garbage

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Capital-Meringue-164@reddit

This is why we each need a teen in our lives. Very humbling haha. The Reddit common is fierce!!

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

He’s only 10!

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No-Chair-8068@reddit

I’m so confused. I had my one at 31 (and I’m GenX -73, she is GenZ) and all of her peers had parents who were Millenials and 10 years younger than me.

Proud of her though…. She loves grunge!

But how does a GENXer have a 10 year old if you don’t mind me asking? I thought I was one of the older GenX parents. 😁

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

‘78

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

Dang my youngest is 17 and I’m already beat up. I’m 52 you’re going to have it rough when he gets to 17. I never ever imagined being the old man. Screw you David Byrne, really how the hell did I get here?

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2BrainLesions@reddit

Oofta

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chainsaw_chainsaw@reddit

An already trying to monetize everything. Depressing.

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crissyb65@reddit

Was Grunge the “complaint rock” Cher was talking about in Clueless?

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rdion123@reddit

Listening to 90's grunge today is the equivalent to listening to The Beatles in the 90's. Sadly our music is now the oldies. Doesn't make it bad. Just makes it old.

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Juliejustaplantlady@reddit

Dang! That's a punch to the gut. Thanks!

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starship7201u@reddit

A) Glad I never reproduced. Cause my response would have been Who asked you, child that pays no bills?

B) OH, it can get so much darker & whinier, kid. Let me pull out The Cure & Depeche Mode.

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paulomario77@reddit

I'm with you.

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Twinklehead@reddit

Peace out

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lastfreerangekid@reddit

If Pictues Of You comes on im leaving

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Twinklehead@reddit

Bye

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Twinklehead@reddit

Are you me? Love The Cure and DM

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Flashba99@reddit

Go GenX treatment. Remove from car whilst vehicle is in motion

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MrMilesRides@reddit

He sounds like the younger brother from Sixteen Candles. 🙄

I approve.

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Odd_Comfortable353@reddit

Totally!

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OkManufacturer767@reddit

Nirvana and Radiohead are whiners.

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Shadowlab72@reddit

And what do you listen to?

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OkManufacturer767@reddit

Bands that don't whine. There are thousands. Expand your world. It will make you even happier.

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Shadowlab72@reddit

So no answer huh?

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OkManufacturer767@reddit

Oh, that was a serious question and not snark?

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Ffzilla@reddit

Alice in Chains and RATM. There's a five dollar fine for whining.

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jazzmuncher@reddit

I love RATM as much as the next guy but they sure do love to whine on their tracks.. look at their self titled album.

May as well be call whinge at the machine

"Wah wah wah im not going to do what you told me to do stinky old authority figure" -zach de la whinge probably

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

Billy Corgan is the whiner in chief. If there was ever a more overrated band its Smashing Pumpkins

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srboot@reddit

Don’t let him listen to Pavement, the

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0987654321Block@reddit

I used to make fun of the music my mum liked. Its only right yhat he hates your music!

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macklin_sob@reddit

I appreciated some of the older music my parents liked. I still listen to Pink Floyd which my step-dad introduced me too. Mom was an AC/DC and Aerosmith fan.

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0987654321Block@reddit

Its cool that you liked it. I secretly liked some of mum's too, but just would not admit it. Funnily my son loved his dad's 80s music, and now he listens to the oldies radio station and I complain to him that he has no interest in current music haha

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SXTY82@reddit

I am really sensitive to whining and complaining. Can't listen to Oasis because of it.

But I didn't take grunge as whining. Angry, yea, but not whining.

I couldn't listen to Emo because to me, they were complaining and being sad about it. Grunge dealt with the same situations but got angry.

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surly-monkey@reddit

same. and that's also why i couldn't listen to Oasis for more than 2 minutes.

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Hilsam_Adent@reddit

The one tolerable band from that "Fourth British Invasion" was Bush. Were they great? No. Were they serviceable? Absolutely.

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SXTY82@reddit

Interesting. Because I feel the same way about Bush. Not great but ok. But to me that doesn't put them at the top. Just puts them at, "I won't switch the radio on Bush unless it is Glycerin." I think I enjoyed Blur more. Not even sure who the 4th would be. Muse? I love Muse pre 'Drones" era.

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Hilsam_Adent@reddit

Oasis, Blur, The Verve, Bush, Radiohead, et. al. Not liking the music for the most part, I can't say I am knowledgeable, much less expert on the subject. I am not at all familiar with Muse. If I have heard a song of theirs, it is probably filed in my brain as being by someone else.

I suppose you could cram Prodigy and Chumbawumba in there, as well, by nature of timing, but certainly not because of genre.

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Hilsam_Adent@reddit

Grunge was made by us, for us. Emo was made by us and Xennials for Millennials. We get pumped when shit gets angry, they shut down. Opposite for being sad.

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angelicagarza@reddit

Gen Z on the other hand… My two Gen Z kids grew up listening to my Gen X punk... one of the two lives for hardcore metal. He’s not the only one. Plenty of Gen Z love it.

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middlingachiever@reddit

Fall Out Boy ☠️

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Sanasanaculitoderana@reddit

But he’s also kinda right…😎

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BrettNoe@reddit

I never understood the Nirvana thing. Nevermind was just the same song 13 times.

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Mental-Pattern6105@reddit

This is a typical response from someone who only listens to Nevermind.

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Space-cadet3000@reddit

The unplugged live Nirvana performance was on a whole different level . Anyone who thinks Nirvana is just noise needs to watch /listen to the show to understand just how talented and brilliant Kurt was . He hated the rock star life and fame but was in his element at that intimate small show and was incredibly happy .

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Mental-Pattern6105@reddit

This entirely. He even said Nevermind wasn't an album he personally would listen to. 😄

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BrettNoe@reddit

That’s because if the first album I hear sucks, I’m not gonna come back for a second one.

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Mental-Pattern6105@reddit

You really miss out.

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Duke-of-Glenmont@reddit

NeverlikedNirvana. But I like other whiny ass bands.

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Rustyempire64@reddit

Anyone who survived the 80s needed loud “whining” grunge music as the antidote

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East-Garden-4557@reddit

Survived the 80s? What did you have to survive?

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

Yeah WTF? The ‘80s rocked Black Flag, Gwar, the clash, Van Hallen, AC/DC, today’s kids still rock the Misfits what the heck are you talking about.

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East-Garden-4557@reddit

There was such a huge range of amazing music in the 80s. But I suspect they were only a mainstream radio listener and missed the good stuff if they think they had to survive it.

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

Yeah right Blondie predicted the hip hop culture going mainstream at the beginning of the decade. Sugar Hill gang, grand master flash, Houdini, RunDMC, De La Soul, Eric B & Rakim where the hell were these people? Hip Hop has bled into reggaeton culminating into Bad Bunny playing the Superbowl! The ‘80s were transformative as hell. They put black folks on sitcoms where they weren’t poor but actually had money.

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New-You-2025@reddit

Corporal punishment from every adult in my path for starters.

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East-Garden-4557@reddit

Having an abusive family is not decadent dependent, and the genre of music won't change that.

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battlesong1972@reddit

Born in 72, I feel the 80s let me survive grunge

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GordonGrimsby@reddit

I cant listen to nirvana either. Play him Birth Ritual by Soundgsrden. Lol

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Randall_Hickey@reddit

I hated the early 90s. Everything was so dark and depressing. When I hear Nirvana now it just sounds like classic rock.

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HungryMenu8627@reddit

One of my daughter’s friends (teens) said she loves classic rock and then listed off nirvana, aic, stp, etc.
She was being serious; I was not amused.

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iotakbc@reddit

Ahhh, those times when we are reminded by youth that our youthful stuff ain’t youthful anymore

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aubreypizza@reddit

How old is your son?? Xennials are roughly 41-49 years old, just FYI.

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SlothOnMyMomsSide@reddit

Maybe they were born in 65 and had their kid in 82.

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aubreypizza@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenX/s/oshOFN0VI2

Apparently he’s 10yrs old.

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TheAmazingBildo@reddit

See, I was wondering this too. They referred to their “little xennial capitalist” or whatever. But xennials grew up with grunge and know what it is. I know because I’m a xennial from right in the middle. Grunge was a huge part of my early teens and beyond. Something about this is weird.

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angelicagarza@reddit

Radiohead is NOT grunge.

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DeadWolf7337@reddit

Your right, Radiohead is not grunge, they are garbage.

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angelicagarza@reddit

Hahahaha Whatever

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DeadWolf7337@reddit

Seriously, they are the most boring sounding band ever.

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angelicagarza@reddit

What do you like to listen to?

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IUMogg@reddit

Early Radiohead is grunge adjacent

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No-You-5064@reddit

they did start out pretty bad

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No-You-5064@reddit

agreed! Radiohead are eternally awesome!

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

Alt rock/grunge

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angelicagarza@reddit

Also, where’s the murder? Seems like your kid has bad taste.

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ToddPundley@reddit

Ehh. I like Radiohead, but they're good despite Thom Yorke's singing not because of it.

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AriaPoe@reddit

That's how I feel about Smashing Pumpkins

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Resident_Platypus346@reddit

He’s your son, so I’ll be delicate.

Tell that li’l guy that he’ll get it when he’s 19 with what’s left of the world after the boomers trash it. Oh, and he didn’t have to live through the 1980s.

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AriaPoe@reddit

This.

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CrumblinEmpire@reddit

Grunge arose from punk and the blues. If you can’t relate to those things (thanks gentle parenting), you’re not going to understand.

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AriaPoe@reddit

This.

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ST0IC_@reddit

I think the grunge came from punk and heavy metal more so than punk and blues. I think the only way Blues influenced grunge was with certain specific bands like Soundgarden having some blues influence. But for the majority of the bands, they were just a mix of heavy metal and punk grunge type of music.

I do not like blues, but I love metal and Punk and grunge. I don't think I would have enjoyed the music as much as it was heavily influenced by the blues.

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brownox@reddit

bands like Soundgarden having some blues influence. But for the majority of the bands, they were just a mix of heavy

The Unplugged album makes me beg to differ.

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This-Cartoonist9129@reddit

Nirvana ain’t no Howlin’ Wolf

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This-Cartoonist9129@reddit

Nirvana ain’t no Howlin’ Wolf

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AlissonHarlan@reddit

Well i could hâte him, but he's forced to grow up in THIS world already so...i guess we're even

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slimcullen@reddit

Wow.

We did it. The teenage angst is done lol

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Texas_Trish71@reddit

Lol! My mom, a boomer, said recently, "90' s music was so "whiny."

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Fridaychild1@reddit

My silent gen mom thought the band I liked in the 80s was called “Depressed Mode.”

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Texas_Trish71@reddit

Haha! When she said that about 90s music I told her, "Oh, go to San Francisco and put some flowers in your hair. " She was a hippy.

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VicSara_696@reddit

😂

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StuckandTreading@reddit

Don't hate me, but I also feel that way about them. Was never a fan.

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Fizzletoe@reddit

GenX, and I agree with your son's observation!

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ideapit@reddit

You hadn't heard that response before?

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TwistedMemories@reddit

He's not wrong you know.

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arawnsd@reddit

My first thought was that Radiohead always sounded whiny. A lot of that era is whiny. We just all wanted to vent too.

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AdnorAdnor@reddit

100% whiny AF! (and it went great with writing shitty poetry in college as an English Major in 1993 🤣)

I don't care if it hurts I wanna have control I want a perfect body I want a perfect soul I want you to notice When I'm not around You're so fuckin' special I wish I was special

[Chorus] But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo What the hell am I doin' here? I don't belong here Oh-oh, oh-oh

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cobraqueen46@reddit

Whiny or not, that's good fucking writing!

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No_Analysis_283@reddit

I said the same thing about a lot of grunge in my 20s. I kinda appreciate it now through nostalgia, but at the time I was like, take a shower man, and stop whining.

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AdnorAdnor@reddit

“Take a shower, man” has me dead yessss

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Jensen1994@reddit

Ask him which of today's Gen Z bands are going to be played by people in 30 years.

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starship7201u@reddit

I can already answer that. Not nan of them.

Yet people still listen to Nirvana, The Beatles & Led Zeppelin 30+ years after their heyday. [Raises hand]

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No-Kitchen-4332@reddit

This is why we need Generation Jones. Nirvana and Radiohead are not my music - punk is, and punk is not whiny. Your son is not wrong.

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CyberJaxWabbit-1312@reddit

maybe try playing some early TooL for him, like "Bottom" or "Crawl Away" from their first album...that'll stop his whining hahahaha 😏🤘🏻 🌈👁️🔥

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AdnorAdnor@reddit

Or throw a little Danzig “Mother” in there (fuck Tipper Gore too)

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CyberJaxWabbit-1312@reddit

yaaaaaaasss 😎🤘🏻🔥

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psyduck-4eva@reddit

Your son sounds like the attitude of the grunge era personified. All the angst at what was being forced on the youth, the rebellion and sarcastic snark while also delivering scathing observed truths…

Are you sure you son isn’t currently a member of 1990s Alice In Chains?

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sykokiller11@reddit

Damn. Both my kids told me this week that Rage Against The Machine just makes them feel like they’re getting yelled at. I’m going out for milk…

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heruskael@reddit

Throw them in the fucking pit, let the mosh sort them out.

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FesterSilently@reddit

I mean, that's an EASY "You know nothing, Jon Snow" moment.

RATM is as clear as day; if you ain't caught the message, you ain't been fucked over by life yet.

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Velomelon@reddit

Yeah. They're yelling for you, not at you.

Unless you don't have a clue, then they are yelling at you.

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TylerDurden-4126@reddit

Radiohead is not grunge... but it is whiny

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heruskael@reddit

Abney Park has a MUCH improved cover of Creep. I can't stand the original.

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WinninRoam@reddit

Radiograph is to grunge as Kenny G is to jazz.

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EvolutionCreek@reddit

Karma police, arrest OP.

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Fazaman@reddit

Their first and perhaps their second album is arguably grunge. Third and beyond are far from grunge.

But yet... whiny, and I love them for it.

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Responsible_Cod_5540@reddit

Very

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DrWife76@reddit

👆🏻

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Lickford@reddit

Snarky little shit. You trained him right.

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heruskael@reddit

Does he think new rock does NOT sound whiny?

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AdnorAdnor@reddit

MGK enters the room 🤣

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heruskael@reddit

That is NOT rock. Ugh.

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LatinBotPointTwo@reddit

Modern pop music is so milquetoast and anemic, though.

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Speshal__@reddit

I walked by some kids playing Wheezer the other day. Then it dawned on me, that was the equivalent of me listening to the Beatles in 1992.....

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AdnorAdnor@reddit

Shut up no…(counting the years in my head)…fuck me you are right! Here, have my poor man’s 🏆

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Speshal__@reddit

Awww thanks 😁

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BoozyMcSuds@reddit

“Wheezer”

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Reasonable_Ninja6051@reddit

My soul left my body for a second.

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AintNobodygotime13@reddit

pop music maybe but current metal and hard rock is excellent

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starship7201u@reddit

No, its not.

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wrm340@reddit

Hey, I thought that too but listen to Burning Witches! They emulate classic 80’s metal with all the satanic overtones included! Enjoy……..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1OCmwMFKDlE&list=RD1OCmwMFKDlE&start_radio=1&pp=oAcB0gcJCa4KAYcqIYzv

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AintNobodygotime13@reddit

ok let's have a pointless argument about it 😂

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

I don’t know about that. I love the Regrettes until Lydia decided to go EDM. The Wallows is so engendered into ‘80s sensibilities they cover the Cure and have a few tunes that pay homage to New Order. Wet Leg totally rocks seen them a few times and there are more Gen Xers in the crowd than any other demographic. Omar Apollo is like my kids generations Prince. Tyler the Creator is phenomenal. Donald Glover as Childish Gambino also stellar. Not all modern music sucks. Just what they play on the radio does. Remember NWA wasn’t played on the radio but everyone was listening to them.

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LatinBotPointTwo@reddit

Good points were raised. I should have said, modern pop music that plays on mainstream radio stations sounds milquetoast and anemic to me.

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i_love_lima_beans@reddit

You would like Rick Beato’s videos lol

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ironmanchris@reddit

I’m in agreement. Grunge was depressing rock.

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fastcatdog@reddit

If we would have said that about country music when we were kids the next sound would have been - whack: then- stop whining

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AdnorAdnor@reddit

Yea, they had those Go Go Gadget arms: how did my mom’s hand hit me in the back of the head when she was driving and I was in the back seat?

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Grace-AsWell@reddit

I was in HS during the heyday of ‘Hair Metal’ and have never been that big of a fan of ‘Grunge’…lyrically, Grunge killed Sex, Drugs and Rock’n’Roll, and rock music has never recovered.

Kids went from “We’re Not Going to Take It” so we will “Fight for your Right to Party” because we want “Nothing but a Good Time”, to being “All Apologies” from “A Man in a Box” who is ‘Dead and Bloated’…kinda sad.

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AdnorAdnor@reddit

I think AIDS killed sex drugs and rock n roll

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__rum_ham__@reddit

Leave STP out of it! lol. /s

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pixiequix@reddit

The lucky lad was never traumatized by hair metal being considered a musical peak of any kind. Lol.

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AdnorAdnor@reddit

And the trash makeup. CC Deville pahlease!

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zestfullybe@reddit

JFC I feel so called out. Absolutely savage.

Good lad.

I mean, I’m a fan of it, but even back then Cher called it “complaint rock” in Clueless, so 🤷‍♂️ lol.

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HistoryGirl23@reddit

God, I love Clueless

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acanis73@reddit

Been saying the same for the past 35 years. Good for your son

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UnkleClarke@reddit

See if he can handle the pit at a LOG show! I bet you handle it better than he does!

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Delicious-Lack4120@reddit

He’s right 💀

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Jeffery_G@reddit

Sorry about his rotten timeline.

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VoidOmatic@reddit

SO and I threw on Nirvana on our road trip back home. That shit was just too damn loud no matter what we had the volume at.

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

You know what I would throw on road trips with my kids Sergio Mendes, Jorge Ben Jor 🤣 while my eldest has taken German 300 level courses in college Portuguese sounds cooler

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Weird-one0926@reddit

You knew better, but you did it anyway ...

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Ganon255@reddit

Your kid thinks he's clever for saying what everyone already knew decades before he even existed. Yawn.

It's easy to be a negative creep. Wake me when he says something interesting.

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revdon@reddit

The difference between Grunge and Emo is Plaid. He’s just confused because he can’t see them.

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TakeOnMe-TakeOnMe@reddit

The hell you say. Take it back, take it back now before I whip out my combat boots, wallet chain and flannel shirt and meet you in the mosh pit. We’ll see if emo is the same then.

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revdon@reddit

Your combat boots are gonna get scuffed by my Xtra Tuffs.

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TakeOnMe-TakeOnMe@reddit

Those little deck boots? Ha, come at me, you and your fishing pole. ;)

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_bobby_tables_@reddit

No matter how many up votes this comment gets, it will still be underrated.

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Weirdsauce@reddit

Play nothing but The Captain and Tennille for days on end and sprinkle some Anita Ward (You Can Ring My Bell) for good measure.

I'll bet a dollar that he'll be clamoring for some top shelf Thom Yorke whining within a week.

Then say, "What? You want to listen to Neil Sedaka for a week?!? Here you go!"

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

Have some respect he just past away. And what’s wrong with Neil Sedaka l love my Calendar girl every day of the year man.

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Weak_Employment_5260@reddit

Starland vocal band "afternoon delight" for thw win

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Weirdsauce@reddit

oh fuck me. you wanna be charged with a war crime or something?

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cthulhu39@reddit

The fucking muskrat love song will really show him

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1234RedditReddit@reddit

Gen Z is so fresh.

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ConspiracyConifer@reddit

He’s a teen? Just wait. Next time he’s complaining about something you know what to say.

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tornjackpot@reddit

Truth

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BondGoldBond007@reddit

I grew up in that era and to this day I still can't stand Kurt Cobain's voice. He was a good guitar player but a horrible singer.

I agree with your son.

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

He was a horrible guitar player, he didn’t sing into the mic he screamed and I still dig it.

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Tylerdurdindied@reddit

Bot or not, that’s literally the opposite of the truth. I mean completely objectively. He was an amateur guitarists. He spoke about it on several various occasions. It’s his song writing and voice that launched him into the souls of millions. You might have hated his voice, but he was a shit guitar player. Self admitted as I’ve said multiple times.

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freshrootveg@reddit

Been there with my GenZ 😆

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Fair-Wishbone-1190@reddit

That's how I felt back in 1990 when they hit big and killed the hair metal scene.

Me in 1990: Why does everyone like this music and wtf is it? I just wanna party, not kill myself!

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

Me in 1990 Lisa Stansfield is awesome 🤣

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New-You-2025@reddit

Low brow, but I rock a little know how, No time for the piggies or the hoosegow, Get smart, get down with the pow-wow, Never been a better time, than right now!!

Love me some chili peppers.

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bakedbaker319@reddit

I totally agree with your son

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ProperCap5400@reddit

There's a DJ on Instagram who does one note challenges. Today he did the top 5 songs of 1986. I love 80's music, but after hearing the top 5, I kinda understand how grunge came to be.

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No_Fun_7068@reddit

Can you share who that is? I would love to follow them

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ProperCap5400@reddit

yheofficialdjdc

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Apsilon@reddit

Tbh, I hated it too, along with Oasis, Stone Roses, and a lot of the indie stuff in the 90’s. To each their own.

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starship7201u@reddit

Oasis STILL sucks. I'll listen to The Beatles thanks.

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justheretohelpyou__@reddit

I agree with you.

I worked in a CD shop for a few years in the early 90s. We sold very few Nirvana CDs compared to Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. To me, Nirvana being a major band is revisionist history.

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butterflygardyn@reddit

Rewatch the 1st couple seasons of Buffy. The live music at the Bronze is awesome...for sitting in a dark room writing angst ridden poetry...🤣

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PlannerSean@reddit

Turn on some 2000s emo

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CyberJaxWabbit-1312@reddit

wowie, rough crowd in the car 😏🤭😅

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blissypants@reddit

Damn. 😄

Nirvana and Radiohead were great for that adolescent melodramatic phase of life when everything felt heavier than it actually was. What do kids even listen to these days to fit that dark teenage mood? They don’t have grunge, they don’t have emo…what do they listen to??

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JosiesYardCart@reddit

Scroll endlessly watching shorts & reels that have artists that match the mood.

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1plus1equalsfun@reddit

Before grunge came along, I mostly listened to 70s music. I still do, but I used to, too.

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Pete_maravich@reddit

I miss Mitch

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Pete_maravich@reddit

My gf loves Radiohead. I refer to it as "music to kill yourself to". It's depressing as fuck.

I love Nirvana and she doesn't understand that it's the sound of my soul.

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CuCullen@reddit

Little boys are uneducated edgelords. I think your man may not have the weight on his shoulders that Layne Staley did.

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deludedinformer@reddit

Layne Staley was in Alice in Chains ⛓️

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Glittering-Ad-6266@reddit

I've gone back to 60s radio, and Viagra Boys

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Shadowlab72@reddit

Anybody that has not experienced TOOL should. It's more of an experience than just music sans their last record.

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New-You-2025@reddit

I remember when Tool first came out their spiel was they were all together in a nut house then formed a band. I can't find shit to prove this.

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jazzmuncher@reddit

Because its definitely not true as funny as that would be, they just love fucking with their fans knowing theyll latch onto and over analyze everything they say. You can find out how they met and formed the band pretty easily, watch dannys rick beato interview.

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Fantastic-Cable-3320@reddit

My kid and her BF came up the driveway as I was blaring l Soundgarden. They referred to it as "dad music".

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eyeballburger@reddit

It’s definitely a type of emo

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mojozeppy@reddit

I know, right? I grew up the first half of my life with my parents telling me to turn my stereo down—my music was too loud. The second half of my life, my kids are telling me to turn the radio down in the car because my music is too loud.

I need my own planet.

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UraTargetMarket@reddit

This is why I started my kid early on loud music!

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mojozeppy@reddit

So did I. I’m an old punk. Don’t even think I turned my music down. For anyone. Heheee … just because they asked me to—doesn’t mean I did it…

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AttitudeSimilar9347@reddit

Radiohead is just whining though

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Subjunct@reddit

Millennial Pink Floyd.

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Every-Cook5084@reddit

Radiohead I gotta give it to the kid. Said it my whole life. Nirvana? Blasphemy!

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Weird-one0926@reddit

Reverse that, lol

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rugger1869@reddit

I’ve seen what Gen Alpha cheers so their boos mean nothing.

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roboskins1@reddit

Radiohead is whining and not grunge. Play Soundgarden for him

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Automatic_Gas9019@reddit

Your son actually sounds like a brat. Glad I didn't have any

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tultamunille@reddit

Who’s the whiner? Sounds like a chip off the old…

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Lady_of_Shalottt@reddit

Op changes music

‘How Soon is Now’ comes on

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Muted_Evidence1311@reddit

Bahahaha! 🤣

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_higgs_@reddit

Also can confirm: older genx here… never liked that stuff because it was just whiny white boy BS. Although Radiohead got a bit better giving time.

And don’t even get me started on NiN. They where the final nail in the coffin of industrial (and new metal buried it).

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LiitleGreenMan@reddit

Wooooooooooooooont yoooooooooooooouuuu cooooooooooooooom annnd shave me?

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SarahZona97@reddit

Shave!?! Lololol 🤣

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Extension_Chart2641@reddit

😂

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AngusHenley@reddit

People were already saying that back in the early 90s

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SarahZona97@reddit

Yeah, I was one of them... 🫣 I may be a traitor to my generation in that aspect, but I loved (and still love) 80s/90s R&B, as well as the same era of rap. I guess I just need the beat and bass more than anything else.

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Odd_Tie772@reddit

Laughing in genZ Playing, " Like A Stone " to your genA kid.

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personfromplanetx@reddit

Does he listen to vocaloid? Because that’s high pitch yapping

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Inessence4@reddit

Make him listen to 80's fun fun party time pop music for 10 years. Then he'll learn to appreciate grunge.

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New-You-2025@reddit

No. Poison, Cinderella, L.A. Guns, Skid Row, White Lion and Ratt are needed to appreciate grunge.

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InadmissibleHug@reddit

Right? Man, grunge was a revelation

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battlesong1972@reddit

Revelation of what, though?

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battlesong1972@reddit

That didn’t do anything for me to appreciate grunge

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wrm340@reddit

No, queue up Mean streets and when he asks, tell ‘em it’s “old people music”

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Winter-eyed@reddit

Kids who’ve never faced any actual conflicts and sorrows aren’t qualified to understand or judge most art. Tell him to go clean his room (his little feelers might get hurt if you told him to go play on the freeway the way our parents told us)

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lexi_prop@reddit

Your child is a menace.

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New-You-2025@reddit

Or that pippa pig bullshit.

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Cultural-Broccoli-73@reddit

We’ll see how any song from this generation stands the test of time like “High & Dry”.

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PartBanyanTree@reddit

can confirm, am on reddit because lonely. also it's habit forming

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Missamoo74@reddit

I mean I have to agree I used to call it 'music to open a vein to'. I also have a memory of it being called 'complaint rock' in Clueless I think.

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Scratch_yr_snatch@reddit

Nirvana

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sdia1965@reddit

You need to sing him the most GenX song there is (slightly changed): “shut your fucking face you fucking fucker”

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Velomelon@reddit

Don't you mean shut your fucking face uncle fucker?

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sdia1965@reddit

Well, yeah kinda. But don’t really want to call your kid an uncle fucker….

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Devils_Advocate-69@reddit

He’s probably one of those BTS fans. Happy dancing

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markhachman@reddit

GenX here. I absolutely agree. When Nirvana and Co. took off, I went back to classic rock.

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IamTheMan85@reddit

Grunge was/is the worst. Never understood why anyone wanted to hear such depressing crap. And all of three cords. And dudes that couldn't sing.

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Shadowlab72@reddit

Dudes that couldn't sing? Do you know what Chris Cornell's range was? How about Layne Staley's? Holy shit what a silly post.

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EVILtheCATT@reddit

I’m going to assume this is rage bait considering the subreddit and all.

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TankMan77450@reddit

Gen X here. Not everyone that is Gen X liked grunge. My wife finally learned to listen to it when I’m not around or I put in headphones and listen to pretty much anything else.

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edorhas@reddit

Anyone that takes actual time from their own life to inform someone else that the thing they enjoy is Bad Actually is either a troll or a child. Often both.

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Shadowlab72@reddit

I don't think generation z or or alpha know what guitar based music is. Quite sad. I loved growing up through the 80s 90s and 2000s:

Punk Grunge Hardcore Post punk Screamo Emo

Now all I can tell from television and commercials is that every song sounds the same: synthesize music with female vocals that are heavily produced with lyrics that don't mean a damn thing. Soulless "music".

I used to feel that I missed out on the sixties and seventies which produced great music but now I feel lucky that I grew up when I did.

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FatherFarnsworth@reddit

I have an unused belt if you need one

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dnolikethedino@reddit

I am ashamed at how much this made me lol.

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keirmeister@reddit

You’re raising a savage hitman. Most excellent.

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BioShockerInfinite@reddit

Gen-X in the ‘90s: existential nihilism in response to the state of the world.

Everyone about the 90s now: man we had it good back then!

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ScreenTricky4257@reddit

That's why I'm nostalgic for the 80s. We had yuppies and synth music.

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Stigger32@reddit

Yuppies....haha!

Those yuppies are now our leaders...:(

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Cobra-Lalalalalalala@reddit

Both of those attitudes makes sense in the context of the time, though.

The early ‘90s is GenX collectively entering adulthood and realizing we’d been sold a bunch of bullshit.

We didn’t know how much worse shit would get (gestures broadly), so we look back fondly on a time when we were still young and idealistic enough to think things could go a different way.

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Inessence4@reddit

YES! I graduated in 1991. Went from metal to grunge.

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newhappyrainbow@reddit

That’s the fucking truth!

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LeafyCandy@reddit

My Xennial husband says the same thing, especially when listening to Chris Cornell. 😔🤬

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hurtfulbliss@reddit

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ohfrackthis@reddit

I listen to mostly newer music but Radiohead and Blonde Redhead are like a diamond on top of my pyramid of musical taste lol idgaf! 😂

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iodine74@reddit

I fell off Radiohead starting with Kid A cause musically it bored me with no guitar work that I found interesting. But by the time Hail to the Thief came around I got tied of Thoms vocals. I think maybe when TKOL came out I tried to give them a chance again. And oof. Couldn’t get into it.

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diablette@reddit

That's funny, I only recently got into them after years of finding them too boring.

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Frankfrombluvelvt@reddit

Just curious, who did he want to listen to?

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AdLeather8285@reddit

Your son not appreciating the finer things in life is not something to be proud of.

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

I didn’t say I was proud! Where are people getting this idea!?

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AdLeather8285@reddit

The title and the tone of the message tells so much. Your kid sounds like a disrespectful AH, but you thinks he’s adorable.

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notarobot1020@reddit

Play offspring !

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suspicious_bag_1000@reddit

Nirvana was whiny tho.

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Key_Role3539@reddit

I think the songs r vaguely depressing where u can assign anything to their theme. Its not like emo where the lyrics are obviously whinny.

I didnt realize it was whiny until adulthood when I read interviews and explanations then I realized yeah Kurt was rlly whinny about everything.

But thats most rock music since the Beatles its whiny and immature and geared towards teen angst w little actually social message besides being discontent at everyone for not meeting ideals.

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heyjimb@reddit

Can't listen to Radiohead or Oasis.

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AccomplishedCash3603@reddit

OMG your son is incredible, but also such a Gen Alpha!

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Dirk_Diggler_Kojak@reddit

We're old people. And you know what? That's fucking GREAT.

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everyoneisnuts@reddit

Sure beats the alternative lol

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Dirk_Diggler_Kojak@reddit

Exactly.

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wrm340@reddit

Yo, put on some Priest. That will placate him!

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Sidheknits@reddit

Mine loves JP!

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Giant_Acroyear@reddit

He's in need of a little Painkiller.

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Pattyannlu@reddit

I’m curious, what are some of your son’s favorite bands?

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PuzzledFig9009@reddit

Your little shit is funny!

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Sidheknits@reddit

I still love 90s alternative and grunge, but I'm really over Nirvana. I loved them back in the day, but I have to agree with the kid, Kurt is pretty whiny. Is it worse than that hoarse, croaky, word-misprounouncing singing of Gen Z? No. 🙉

As far as being on Reddit because we're lonely, where else can you meet other Gen Xers? It feels like everyone I know is under 35 or over 60.

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D-ouble-D-utch@reddit

Tell him you're gonna bang his mom

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

lol

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OldSlug@reddit

Ouch

You should play some Smashing Pumpkins, learn ‘im what whiny 90s music really is.

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Shu3PO@reddit

"Tonight, Tonight" on a loop.

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Sweetserra@reddit

God damn how I hated that song!

(But I still rocked that ZERO ⭐️ t-shirt!)

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zozoetc@reddit

Major hurdle with my high school girlfriend was her description of the Violent Femmes as “whiny love songs.” I still ended up marrying her, but that took some getting over

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Sweetserra@reddit

C'mon! Country Death Song is the best! 😂

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jfrankparnell85@reddit

It’s a good thing you didn’t tell her to Kiss Off… or put it down on her permanent record

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SnakebytePayne@reddit

True, there was whining. But there was also angst, anger, and energy. I could easily build a gunge playlist that's guaranteed to go HARD.

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Working_Group955@reddit

Yep so much angst

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Dirty_G_5281@reddit

You brought him unto this world... you can take him out.

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Purist1975@reddit

MOst of it is whining, that being said Alice in Chains I still listen to.

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freakythrowaway79@reddit

That would be Sucidal Tendacy

But YES 💯 love me some whiny Alice & Chains🤘🏻

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Asleep_Key_4293@reddit

Just one Pepsi! And she wouldn’t listen to me!

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GeneralJavaholic@reddit

I'm not crazy.

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Asleep_Key_4293@reddit

YOU’RE THE ONE WHO’S CRAZY!

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Purist1975@reddit

You're driving me cazy!

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biggie25x@reddit

Was that whining? Kind of ironic.

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nickfree@reddit

GenX card renewed!

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Majik_Sheff@reddit

Free bottle of Miralax when you fill the punch card.

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Ashamed_Result_3282@reddit

NO. Hate that shit, had to find an alternate that I could stomach. Colon cancer survivor at 39 so yeah, gotta have it but on MY terms. 😂🤷🏻‍♀️

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TowelFine6933@reddit

You know, he's your son. You can always make another one.

Just saying....

🤣

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VicSara_696@reddit

The whining is so cathartic though!!

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Agile-Wait-7571@reddit

Like Taylor Swift isn’t whining?

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yesokyesuhuh@reddit

Whatever

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GenX-tragicwaver@reddit

I get a lot of "did they have [...] back in your time (aka the olden days)" from my pre-teen son. Every time I ostentatiously reply that the 90s and 00s were only recent only to have him remind me that it was 20-30 years ago, a little piece of me dies 😭

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spsled@reddit

Raising him right.

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justdisa@reddit

I like Gen Alpha. They're odd and bitter but very funny.

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Ashamed_Result_3282@reddit

I love millennials too, a terrific distillation of snark & sarcasm. 😂💚 I don't have kids (didn't want 'em) but can appreciate the work that's been put into raising them well.

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justdisa@reddit

My kids are millennials. I love them and their friends. Good people, and their generation is big enough that they have the potential to make a difference in the world.

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GratefulDad73@reddit

I have never been able to get into Radiohead. Everything sounds the same and it’s all so depressing. Never understood the hype.

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DaffyStardust@reddit

Whining is part of life.

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Cuz_Ima_Doit@reddit

Adolescents had a song about kids… whaaat was iiit 🤔

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voteblue18@reddit

Put on some REM lol

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Spiritual-Cow4200@reddit

Everybody Hurts on repeat. You want whining… here’s your whining.

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UraTargetMarket@reddit

As someone who loved The Smiths beyond anything you can imagine, and, then later, Radiohead as if they were the second coming….and also admired the likes of Joy Division and Nirvana…ALL of their works combined do not reach anywhere near the level of whininess that is found in Everybody Hurts. Good call to put that on repeat. THEN put Losing My Religion on repeat. THEN Man on the Moon. I’m not sure if that one is actually a whiny song, but it got stuck on repeat at my old job once and those of us on the sales floor nearly lost it and became a Morrissey song.

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watch-nerd@reddit

The Smiths, "Girlfriend in a Coma".

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Curlytoes18@reddit

So he’s whining about the whining?

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whatsupgrizzlyadams@reddit

I suggest you play Alanis Morsette on your next car ride.

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UraTargetMarket@reddit

The whining is what makes it so great tho

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rlw21564@reddit

You got Alex P. Keaton there trying to monetize your Reddit account with smart alec remarks? 😏

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analogpursuits@reddit

To be faaaaaairrrrrr...

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MariaMarie17@reddit

To be faaaaaaairrrrr…..

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NoYOUGrowUp@reddit

Teenage angst has paid off well Now I'm bored and old

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Chainsaw_Viking@reddit

Self-appointed judges judge More than they have sold

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Fluid-Set-2674@reddit

I specifically downvote your son!

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Direct-Profile-21@reddit

He sounds like a child of a GenXer. You should be proud of him.

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needsunshine@reddit

Gen Alpha has inherited Gen X's sass.

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SlowBurnLopez@reddit

dang, this kid has got your number, and is straight up roasting you.

he seems cool

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lonnie440@reddit

He’s not wrong

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Antique-Ant5557@reddit

You know, sometimes kids just randomly roll out of cars on the freeway 🤷

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TDollasign562@reddit

My Gen Alpha kid told me why am I playing “old timey saloon music”, which I guess is what “Going Back to Cali” by Biggie Smalls sounds like to a pubescent boy nowadays. On the other hand, as a toddler he requested Creep by Radiohead, but the unedited version abd he butchered the lyices . He asked for the song that says “You’re so fucking precious” abd ge put a lot if emption into his rendition if it.

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humpthedog@reddit

Wow I said that way back in 1994

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thisgirlnamedbree@reddit

Me too! I could not get into the constant angst. Now I'd much rather listen to it than modern rap and country.

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SisterGoldenHair75@reddit

Yup. A lot of middle to upper class white guys whining about how hard life was for them. Ok in small doses, at best.

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Stigger32@reddit

“so why are you on Reddit then, cause you’re lonely?”

‘No son, I’m on Reddit because I prefer whiny adults over sarcastic teenagers.

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inthecity206@reddit

Which album/song though?

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Inkdman73@reddit

Auto tune is whiny

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stormer1_1@reddit

I mean to be entirely fair, that was a common complaint 30 years ago too.

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no_crust_buster@reddit

gif

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Mjhjane77@reddit

Haha. He’s not wrong. The 90s were filled with teenage angst.

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Zealousideal-Ice-814@reddit

I was in my 20s in the 90s. 20 in 1990.

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Ok_Echo_6528@reddit

Says the generation that goes to YouTube to watch someone else play a video game instead of actually playing it themselves. I do appreciate his assessment of grunge though. It’s pretty spot on

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

I know it’s so crazy. But I guess we all did this at our friends houses but we were waiting for our turns to play!

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Ok_Echo_6528@reddit

EXACTLY!!!

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GeneralJavaholic@reddit

He's right in the second case, for sure. Always hated Radiohead.

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Perfect_Ball_220@reddit

you're a Creep 😂 j/k

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GeneralJavaholic@reddit

yep, that's the one what done it

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

That’s what was playing when he made the comment

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GeneralJavaholic@reddit

Good boy.

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Dazzling_Leather_883@reddit

Funny kid- you’ve done well

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Excellent-Witness187@reddit

Does your kid wake up and choose violence every day or just on Good Friday?

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

Pretty much every day

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nexquietus@reddit

Humans gonna Human...

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ForeverFlannel@reddit

😂 This did me in.

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WhenVioletsTurnGrey@reddit

What does said Son listen to? Most modern music is pretty self centered ME ME ME music. Maybe the exception being one of the 1000 categories of metal.

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Ok-Juggernaut-353@reddit

As an enjoyer of several dozen metal and adjacent genres, I really enjoy the triple threat of Band, Album, and Song all with the same name:

God’s Hate World of Pleasure Gorilla Biscuits

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OneHumanBill@reddit

You've got an awesome kid. Apple fell pretty far from the tree?

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perseidot@reddit

Ouch! 😂

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

Seriously! 😒

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Excellent_Funny5330@reddit

Back in the day a friend’s kid asked me why do all of these popular singers sound like they are trying to be old ladies.

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Atlantean_truth@reddit

So what kind of music does he listen to. I’m sure it’s terrible

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ClarenceWalnuts99@reddit

Taylor Swift! Lol 😂

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

That’s a popular one. He also like Marshmellow and Candyland

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Atlantean_truth@reddit

I swear I was going to say in my initial comment "What does your son listen to Taylor Swift?” You read my mind 😂

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WaterwingsDavid@reddit

This kid has a good sense of humor!

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hatezel@reddit

My son when age 4 said Bob Dylan sounds like, he's "singing to his dogs."

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Fred11M@reddit

Accurate

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krisann67@reddit

I have 5 adult children. We used to take car trips together when they were small and jam to Queens Bohemian Rhapsody. We would all sing/scream at the top of our lungs. None of us can hold a tune. It was perfect!

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ZippyNomad@reddit

Had my kids young. We played Animaniacs loudly in public. They never complained about my music.

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turnsfast@reddit

Punch that kid in the dick.

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IRegretBeingHereToo@reddit

This was my mom's complaint

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Hussein_Jane@reddit

Your kid is a fucking monster, dude. That shit hurt my feelings.

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perhaps_too_emphatic@reddit

It’s phenomenal and brutal, but how exciting for OP that the next time the kid whines about anything, they could be accused of sounding like grunge.

Excellent parenting all around, as far as I’m concerned

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turnsfast@reddit

Ooh, yes. That's ammo in the chamber.

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ClarenceWalnuts99@reddit

Did you make him walk? Lol 😆

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MathematicianIcy3430@reddit

At least they are not mumbling. Except Kurt C.

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Eastern-Joke-7537@reddit

It’s like he was a time traveler from 2026. 😂

He GETS us. 😂 😂

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notquitesolid@reddit

When kids talk shit, I rest comfy remembering when I talked shit about my parents music, and know that their kids will talk shit about what they like. It’s the circle of life.

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Routine_Breath_7137@reddit

"...cause you're lonely?" Oof.

Something my son would say but would also throw 'boomer' in there somewhere 😭

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rammer-jammer71@reddit

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ryguymcsly@reddit

My youngest complains about my taste in music all the time. Mostly with “the music is good but do they always have to be screaming?” Yes son, they do. Now shut up so I can hear my Fugazi and pass the Ovaltine.

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brownox@reddit

“so why are you on Reddit then, cause you’re lonely?”

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm on reddit because they have a downvote button.

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Alarming_Bid_7495@reddit

I never have never struggled so much over an upvote or downvote for a comment before this one.

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Automatic-Fox-8890@reddit

God damnit I want to split the difference one up one down but which is which?

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SimpleVegetable5715@reddit

Well I mean, you were listening to Radiohead.

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InsertRadnamehere@reddit

Yep. I could stand Kurt and a Steve Malkmus and Billy Corrigan whining. But could never really get into Radiohead. Puts me to sleep, if anything.

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Weirdsauce@reddit

Give this a watch/ listen. It's a version of Weird Fishes rendered on koto.

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Brilliant_Vulpine@reddit

Pretty sure whining is universal across generations. I know you’re proud for some reason, but it takes some level of disconnect to think Gen Z or alpha isn’t whiny. That’s in effect what young people *do* until they get some emotional regulation and experience.

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MrSindahblokk@reddit

The irony of the generations (Z + Alpha) that mixed emo lyrics with their terrible version of hip hop saying another generations music is whiny is staggering.

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makeherbeg4it@reddit

Your son is spot on about Grunge! Lmao 🤣

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brownox@reddit

Him and Rob Mahoney at The Ringer can sit in the corner together, listening to Barbie Girl.

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SamePhotojournalist0@reddit

Haaahaa! Get that kid an agent!

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SnooFloofs9998@reddit

I was on the fence with grunge (and admittedly didn’t listen to the radio much) until one of the coolest city/club guys l knew at the time(‘93)we were cruising one of my rides around town and was just like”oh man ,not Nirvana!” When it came on FM.Not a rocker,but it still was harsh judgement from a kid that had the SF club scene wired at that time.I loved Foo fighters tho..he moved to LA and got really fat l heard a few years later.😂🫣🤘🏽

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sysaphiswaits@reddit

There is a tiny number of grunge era bands I’ve always called “whiny Irishmen”, even though U2 are the only ones that are actually Irish.

And then…emo.

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lordpiglet@reddit

U2 isn't grunge-era though. They're early 80's post punk that might have some alternative but that isn't really core to their sound. Achtung Baby and Zooropa aren't anywhere near that same sound. Their best work was probably Joshua Tree which came out in 87. Personally, they're on of the bands I'll change the channel when they come on.

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sysaphiswaits@reddit

Yes. I know U2 isn’t, but the other bands sound like them (to me, anyway.) Radiohead. Smashing Pumpkins. Coldplay. Dude. Get mad. If you can’t fight the power, you can at least “flex” in a bar brawl or in the pit.

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MadHatter1234566677@reddit

Hilarious!

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GrandMoffJerjerrod@reddit

No less whining than the cringy ‘Have a baby with me’ song I hear at work all the time. Jesus I hate that song.

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FloridaSalsa@reddit

My millennial friend used to roll eyes at REM and other "whiney" male singers. She referred to tone rather than lyrics.

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ChadlyWax@reddit

Did you slam the brakes and tell him to get out?

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ChadlyWax@reddit

You should've said, Oh yeah? And put Ministry on.

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PettyAlchemy@reddit

THIS!!! NWO THAT AZZ

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balcon@reddit

That’s a funny thing for him to say. It isn’t always about the Benjamins. Especially when you consider the origins of grunge.

Isn’t it ironic, don’t you think?

I wasn’t big on grunge but that’s the first time I’ve heard it described as whining. He would hate the musical Rent.

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Geralts_Hair@reddit

Are you kidding it was often described as wrist-slashing music at the time…

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balcon@reddit

You’re right. It’s been a long time and I have selective memory. That’s why the XM station with a lot of grunge was called Lithium.

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Dismal-Vacation-5877@reddit

Esp. Radiohead for me.

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KddKc@reddit

I mean… he’s a creep and she collects fake plastic trees. It wears them out. 🤷‍♀️

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Briaaanz@reddit

Grunge was killed off long ago. We got AI Slop, i mean, Pop to replace it

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Double_Dimension9948@reddit

Pop has always existed. But what didn’t exist back then was one or two owners of all the radio stations in the country force feeding you the music that they want you to listen to. All the music is the same now on the radio

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Coldfinger42@reddit

My 13yo and I got into a discussion after watching the Artemis launch and he asked me what was so special about music then. This is the answer!

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Continuum_Design@reddit

This. Fuck Clear Channel. And Ticketmaster and Live Nation while I’m thinking of it.

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blueblocker2000@reddit

What's his take on foo fighters?

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Far_Kiwi_692@reddit

I have been calling it " the whiny 90s" for years. Lol! My husband is a younger genxer and thats his music. Being older, my music is early to mid 80s.

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Lexfu@reddit

Your son is undefeated!

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Sudden_Fix_1144@reddit

Twas the fashion at the time.

Meanwhile genZ seems to want to not offend anything or anyone in their lyrics.

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liltooclinical@reddit

I still rock the onion on my belt.

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brownox@reddit

It's existential whining. The pre-SSRI, self-medicating on illegal opiates type of whining. The being rich and beloved and famous and talented and soulful and lucky but seeing no sunlight type whining.
Cobain didn't workshop this shit, nor do it to nurture his brand identity. He didn't make his music to maximize engagement in the algorythm. He put a shotgun in his mouth.

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Normal_Snow3293@reddit

Yep. Also lived under a bridge for a time.

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doubtfulisland@reddit

When our little one whines we pretend they're speaking another language and ask them to use their big kid voice. I'll do this until they're in their 20s.

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AngelVenom13@reddit

Going to try this. FYI 2 of mine are already in their 20s.

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According_Ad_7249@reddit

Play him some Hole.

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NoMonk8635@reddit

Grunge is whining

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somecisguy2020@reddit

This takes me to one of the best Simpsons quote ever. Homer says to Smashing Pumpkins, “thanks to your music. my kids no longer dream of a future I can’t possibly provide them.” And that pretty much sums up grunge for me.

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noisician@reddit

I thought you were going to do the quote of the 2 kids in the Smashing Pumpkins audience on the Simpson: \ “oh this is great” \ “are you being ironic?” \ “I don’t know”

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HydraHead3343@reddit

“Homer Simpson, nodding politely”

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IAmDaBadMan@reddit

"No, you quit your whining first."

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PoisonMind@reddit

Wait till he finds out about emo.

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sarcasticorange@reddit

Honestly, emo was less depressing.

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PoisonMind@reddit

Yeah, I'm kidding. I actually like a lot of those bands.

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brownox@reddit

Great, while we are letting the taste of paste eaters run the car’s radio programming, let’s also rename the genre of “The Blues” to “The Whining“.

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perseidot@reddit

Country music has entered the chat. Whining with a twang!

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Pinkbeans1@reddit

No. The Blues and jazz are a bedrock for the black community. My Grandaddy put himself through college after the war playing in blues and jazz bands.

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According_Ad_7249@reddit

Your son sounds like he has the makings of being the next Bruce Pavitt.

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Commies-Fan@reddit

Your son isnt a xennial. And what does he want to listen to? Im genuinely curious.

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CawlinAlcarz@reddit

WTF with this Xennial thing anyway? 77 to 85 birth years.

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PoisonMind@reddit

I'm a 1980 birth. I've seen charts that define Gen X as ending at 79 and Millennials as starting in 81. Like, WTF am I?

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GeneralJavaholic@reddit

I'd say there's a better case for that than for "generation jones."

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CawlinAlcarz@reddit

My point was that a ton of people who apparently just don't want to be thought of as Millennials or Gen Z claim to be Xennials as if it is about an attitude or something.

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KddKc@reddit

Same, interested in what son listens to.

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Pewpew-OuttaMyWaay@reddit

Why? To give some kid a hard time??

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KddKc@reddit

Nah, just interested in what he likes. I share a lot of what my millennial kids like.

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SamePhotographs@reddit

If they were the first of Gen x, and had a baby when they were 15-18 they very well could be🤷‍♀️

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Giant_Acroyear@reddit

Time to queue up Slayer.

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TheWuziMu1@reddit

When isn't it?

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noisician@reddit

Merzbow

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Giant_Acroyear@reddit

...When it's time to queue up Iron Maiden.

I can do this all day...

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Superb-Fail-9937@reddit

Mine did the same but with Celine Dion, Whitney and Mariah. They said why are they always screaming so loud?! I was shookith!

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Expert-Jury-7634@reddit

Lmao! My son loves Nirvana and he found it on his own. I did introduce him to Metallica though💪

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DiHard_ChistmasMovie@reddit

I have 2 tween daughters and both love Nirvana. The older one just asked if we could take a road trip and go to a GnR concert she's been eyeing for her bday. Im kind of getting excited.

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kcbrooklyn1@reddit

She may be highly disappointed. G’nR 2026 is nothing like G’nR 1986. Or 1996 for that matter. Tell her to watch VEVO.

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Expert-Jury-7634@reddit

I went to the GNR use your illusion tour in 1992. Metallica and Faith no More were opening for GNR. GNR sucked and I became a huge Metallica and Faith no More fan! Even though James couldn’t play guitar cause he had just gotten burned from a pyro a few concerts before, they were still bad ass!! Freaking clouds of weed smoke! lol good times

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suspicious_bag_1000@reddit

Nirvana was whiny. STP was, to me, a more interesting band

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notarobot1020@reddit

Stp was more psychedelic rock

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suspicious_bag_1000@reddit

Whatever the fuck it was

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notarobot1020@reddit

Reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Temple_Pilots

Context is “winy grunge” I say no they are different from nirvana most notably because of the trippy psychedelic

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SimpleVegetable5715@reddit

Yes! Alice in Chains was more interesting musically too. Of course, we have to wonder how Nirvana would have evolved if Kurt hadn’t died. All of them are extremely talented.

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TheRododo@reddit

The only nirvana album I liked was Bleach, their self promoted first album. I just couldn't get into them after that. STP never made a bad album, even their new stuff is pretty good. Meadow still feels like STP.

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worldaven@reddit

Kid's not wrong. Brutal.

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put_simply@reddit

Ah yes youve raised a quick witted, intelligent child with comedic timing congrats welcome to always being on your toes!

But seriously my 2 are the same. Hilariously funny people but they don't miss a thing and are quick to let you know.

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jtrades69@reddit

i always called it whining too! people looooved that but couldn't handle the harsh criticisms punk rock espewed. maybe they thought we (as punk) were shoving it in their face

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LuckyAd2714@reddit

It is whining

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nklights@reddit

Time to hit him with “The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste” by Ministry

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TheWuziMu1@reddit

I find it interesting that your kid is whining about the music you like.

The "lonely" comment was just mean and should be rewarded with nothing but Marilyn Manson in the car for a year.

He'll either like it or hate it. Either way is a win-win.

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fabun1corn@reddit

I’m with your son. The Flannel Age sucked.

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phillyphilly19@reddit

OMG your son is a riot. You need to write all of this down and keep it for when he's older. Also I'm so happy I don't have kids.😊

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UneducatedDonkey@reddit

If kiddo called Nirvana Dave Grohl's practice band, I would file a petition to adopt .

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Goldhound807@reddit

They kinda were though.

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CheekEmbarrassed1516@reddit

God damn right

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freisbill@reddit

Play him Morrissey (Smiths), that is whining...Nirvana is poetry...

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Facebook-virus@reddit

Roger Waters solo stuff and he'll jump out of the car

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SecretMiddle1234@reddit

Smiths are depression

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freisbill@reddit

most definitely

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DontHugMe73@reddit

Nobody ever talks about the Indigo Girls. 90’s music was not all whiny!

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Briaaanz@reddit

What does he listen to?

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Facebook-virus@reddit

An AI band currently in the top 5 probably

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SnooBananas8343@reddit

That kid sounds alright. Bet he’d like stone temple pilots

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Facebook-virus@reddit

Soundgarden too

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dcamnc4143@reddit

I agree with your son. I thought it was whiny in the 90's, and still do now.

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livinginfutureworld@reddit

We had optimism in the 80s give way to the reality of the 90s.

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Local-Bat1001@reddit

You son sounds like a sellout

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suspicious_bag_1000@reddit

Because he doesn’t like major label Nirvana that sold out? 😂😂Ok, Boomer

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Local-Bat1001@reddit

It was a very Gen X joke

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WasteOfTime-GetALife@reddit

🤣

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Lcky22@reddit

Yikes

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Fool_In_Flow@reddit

Life hurts. People make art from that. Some people feel better knowing they aren’t alone.

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TheSkepticCyclist@reddit

First, Radiohead isn't grunge. Second, Nirvana is the worst of the big 4 of Grunge

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redhafzke@reddit

Wait... what are the big? Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots and Screaming Trees?

For me the best but not that big, well except the first 2 of course are: Soundgarden, Nirvana, Green River, Tad and my favorite Mudhoney.

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TheSkepticCyclist@reddit

STP is also not grunge

The big 4 are not what you or I consider big, but what is considered the 4 bands that really pushed the Grunge sound and sold the most albums: PJ, Nirvana, Sound Garden, and AiC (although AiC are more hard rock and straight metal than grunge.)

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redhafzke@reddit

Oh, I know that they're not from Seattle which kinda disqualifies them for some although back in the days music journalists and fans worldwide have associated them with Grunge. And some still do today. Not me but I had to bring them up because where I'm from those who still know who STP were would still say they're Grunge.

Pearl Jam, although having the grunge spirit and coming from Seattle with their roots in grunge before because of their bandmembers always had more of a classic rock vibe for me. Not that it's a bad thing but it was the first time I asked myself what Grunge really means. Is it just being from Seattle, wearing plaid shirts and playing guitars with distortion while having depressive lyrics? And I know they are one of the biggest Grunge bands.

But let's be real: impact, sales, legacy in a worldwide pov? That one goes to Nirvana...

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TheSkepticCyclist@reddit

STP not being Grunge is not due to them not being from Seattle, but because there is nothing Grunge about them. They are just a straight rock band that happened to play in the 90s. Any other decade they would just be considered classic rock.

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redhafzke@reddit

What is Grunge even?

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TheSkepticCyclist@reddit

It’s a sub-genre or metal. STP isn’t metal (not even close to metal), so that alone means they can’t be Grunge. It’s basically metal with simple pop punk beat and distorted sludgy guitar riffs.

You can hear the transformation in Pearl Jam band from Temple of the Dog to actual Pearl Jam. The same exact band with Temple of The Dog was a blues based band with some grungy elements, while Pearl Jam went full distortion away from blues based rock to more of a pop metal sound with more distortion.

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redhafzke@reddit

The big 4 of Grunge are named such because of what I stated. Just google Big 4 of Grunge and these are the 4 bands that will be listed.

Yeah and if you google Big 5 of Grunge guess who is coming up?

You should have read the article, it's an interesting one. And as far as I can remember by the time Nevermind blew up some people were saying Grunge is dead although the world just discovered it. Most bands hated the term btw. So it's kinda silly that we're arguing what is and is not Grunge.

Just as the big 4 of thrash in the 80s are: Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax.

The 80 were peak for Thrash and sadly it wasn't the same after the 80s.

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warrenao@reddit

He nicely summed up why I can’t stand that stuff, all right.

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Individual-Trick3310@reddit

Kick him out til 10 pm with no electronics.

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Perfect_Ball_220@reddit

oooh, that's brutal 😂

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christina311@reddit

Radiohead is NOT grunge. Don't insult them like that.

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consistentcricket@reddit

yet next level whiny

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christina311@reddit

Also, grunge sucks.

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Wild_Peach075@reddit

😆🤣😆🤣😆🤣 I died! That was good! I needed that!

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RetroBerner@reddit

Sounds like you raised a mini gen-x

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Tackybabe@reddit

There was a lot of whining in the 90s. I can’t listen to Smashing Pumpkins or the Cranberries - too whiny.

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Turd-In-Your-Pocket@reddit

Radiohead isn’t grunge, and if he thinks expressing emotion is whining then that’s the failure.

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ibis_mummy@reddit

I had to scroll way too far to find this. In what world is Radiohead grunge?

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jaymz668@reddit

grunge is whiny music, not all whiny music is grunge

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ibis_mummy@reddit

I'm not talking about the whiny part. There's whiny everything. All genres. Just taken aback by seeing Radiohead called grunge.

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ToriOrlee@reddit

“so why are you on Reddit then, cause you’re lonely?” Jez kid even I feel that burn 😂

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OkDiscussion607@reddit

LMAO!

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brownox@reddit

Play that kid some autotuned songs about fuckin’ and he’ll be just fine.

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First_Name_Is_Agent@reddit

I'm sending this to my Gen Z lol She loves Nirvana but she'll also want to high five your kid! Hysterical 🤣 (And not wrong!)

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spaceman696@reddit

Tell him he's grounded.

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moscowramada@reddit

This is EXACTLY how I feel about the Smiths.

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GeneralJavaholic@reddit

The lyrics are death and mayhem and murder and pearl-clutching and the vapors while the music is bouncy and cheerful, radiantly so.

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moscowramada@reddit

Well, if Nirvana and Radiohead can get this treatment, so can the Smiths.

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GeneralJavaholic@reddit

Oh, absolutely.

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WittyVeterinarian381@reddit

Your kid doesn’t know shit. Kind of sick of parents thinking how cute it is when their kids talk about things they know nothing of. Name one band this current generation has thats any good you probably can’t.

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suspicious_bag_1000@reddit

Simmer down, boomer. Nirvana was a whiny obnoxious band

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Human_Type001@reddit

Next time he says garbage like that in the car make the little Gen Alpha monster get out and walk home. Then he'll learn what real whining is.

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sherrybaby1973@reddit

I agree with him about Nirvana.

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Dear_Mess_1617@reddit

Same

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Dear_Mess_1617@reddit

I second your sons statement. Give that boy a raise in his allowance lol

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Cledaddy23@reddit

Tell the kid to stop whining

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dtuba555@reddit

I know right? What the hell were we so sad and angry about in the 90s? We had no idea about the shit storm that would befall us in 2016-2026.

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Flowers_By_Irene_69@reddit

This is why I always hated Grunge. It was the sound of a bunch of depressed Pacific Northwest kids that never saw the Sun. I’m down in Southern California, and still missing the positivity of the music Grunge killed. (Positivity in sound, not necessarily content).

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myxyplyxy@reddit

Eddie vedder came from socal

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Flowers_By_Irene_69@reddit

Crazy. I don’t know that. (Just looked it up): Both in Illinois, then grew up in San Diego, of all places. Yet Pearl Jam was formed in Seattle, and I don’t think anyone worth their wait in flannel will argue with me about grunge music being from Seattle/Portland.

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myxyplyxy@reddit

Definitely PNW.

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GenX-ModTeam@reddit

{community rule 7}

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Complex_Carry_9153@reddit

AIDS, global warming, the internet (loss of privacy), and the onset of the worst of late stage capitalism for starters. It’s only gotten worse.

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GenX-ModTeam@reddit

{community rule 7}

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deleted_by_reddit@reddit

[removed]

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GenX-ModTeam@reddit

{community rule 7}

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-Sanguinity@reddit

People seem to forget the social changes the 80s: Trickle Down economics, Enron scandal taking pensions away, and a rejection of the,"Greed is good" mantra, and commercialism of the 80s. It was the start of what we have now.

And yes, aids was so scary and ostracized those who didn't die. Millions did.

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Mistervimes65@reddit

Honest answer? All of the gay friends I buried.

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dtuba555@reddit

Fair.

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littleredcamaro@reddit

I was thinking about that too the other day. I loved (and still love) grunge. It resonated with me back then but honestly by today’s perspective the 90s was a cake walk for me.

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SuzanneStudies@reddit

I was learning everything was a lie and my parents were kinda assholes who wanted to pull the ladder of pensions and generational wealth that gave them their start up after them. Kinda prepared me for the rest.

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sysaphiswaits@reddit

It sucks that some of us have been fighting exactly this our whole lives and it gotten even worse.

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Substantial_Cow7628@reddit

Your son is savage.

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Overall-Assist6571@reddit

When I played bands with female vocalists (e.g. Cranberries), my mom used to ask "who is this cat in heat?" :p

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Ok_Persimmon_5961@reddit

My grandma used to say that it was good music but she repeats herself too much. Maybe I was listening to Zombie or something? Some of the other songs are like that too.

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msartore8@reddit

"Zomb-eh-eh-eh"

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Bob-Dolemite@reddit

wait until he hears nu metal and emo

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Great-Tical-Returns@reddit

"Nirvana was whining, kid? Name 3 complaints."

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ST0IC_@reddit

I've been locked inside your heart shaped box for weeks.
Underneath the bridge, tarp has sprung a leak.

3....everything is my fault. I'll take all the blame...

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kenjinyc@reddit

I’ll gladly keep my whiny 80’s music if we can scrub all that nonsense autotune awful stuff rap garbage.

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KddKc@reddit

Seriously, auto tune should have died a really quick death. Not sure how it’s still a thing.

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Ike_In_Rochester@reddit

Grunge is whiny? Jeez. Make him listen to Shoegaze until he apologizes.

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this_kitty68@reddit

Somehow, my kid discovered Black Flag, the Dead Kennedys, Decedents, Bad Brains, etc., all on his own. I was never that into punk, but I’m so proud nonetheless.

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Butitsadryheat2@reddit

Lol he prob heard "Black Flag sticker on a Cadillac" and thought hmmmm I gotta check that out! 🖤

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this_kitty68@reddit

The lyric is “…DEADHEAD sticker…” and I’m equally grateful he’s not a fucking deadhead. lol

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Butitsadryheat2@reddit

I figured he would be more familiar with the remake that came out in 2003 with "Black Flag sticker." 🤷🏼‍♀️

https://youtu.be/Qt6Lkgs0kiU?si=utR_YtKx78YgSaRo

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this_kitty68@reddit

Dear god, that was painful. lol He was 5 when that video came out, but who knows? I’ll ask.

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paulisnofun@reddit

As an old retired punk rocker it makes me happy to see that kids are still not only getting into punk, but getting into good punk. Congratulations on raising a really cool kid.

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witchsneeze@reddit

I had an acquaintance half my age tell me I should check out the Red Hot Chili Peppers and I was like no thanks I survived the 90s once

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Kennesaw79@reddit

I've never cared for them either.

Funny side note: If you haven't seen the show The Good Place, one of the questions asked to determine if someone was a good person and belonged in "the good place", aka heaven, was about RHCP. "Have you ever paid money to hear music performed by California funk rock band Red Hot Chili Peppers?" All answers are supposed to be 'no'.

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witchsneeze@reddit

Hahaha I don’t remember that from the good place but I was just about to rewatch it!

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Kennesaw79@reddit

I don't remember the episode number, but it's season 1, when Michael puts the cube on his desk that detects lies and questions everyone. He also asks about being a Bachelor fan or microwaving fish at the office. I love this series.

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witchsneeze@reddit

It’s an incredible show, I finally convinced my best friend to watch it a few months ago and he’s on his fourth rewatch already!

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Kennesaw79@reddit

I've lost count of how many times I've watched or listened to it. I sleep with the TV on and will play the show to listen to as I fall asleep. It's one of my comfort shows, along with How I Met Your Mother, Friends, etc.

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OccamsYoyo@reddit

I would like RHCP more but Anthony Kiedis doesn’t sing enough songs about California.

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YesNoMaybe@reddit

I had tons of friends that loved them but RHCP was one of the first albums I bought on CD...and the only CD I've ever returned after one listen.

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brenawyn@reddit

In Reddit for laughs because modern comedy writers really suck.

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ManiacRichX@reddit

It's not too late to drop him off at a firestation

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Nickis1021@reddit

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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73DodgeDart@reddit

Reminds me of that old joke about how my wife and I decided we didn’t want to have kids…now it’s time to tell them!

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Hilsam_Adent@reddit

My Pops used to say, with alarming regularity, "Abortion should be legal until the kid is eighteen."

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Nickis1021@reddit

Tell him we don’t have to listen to all the girl whisperers claiming they’re singing

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Chatwoman@reddit

Yesss!!!! THIS. Where did they all come from and why do they all sing like that?

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Nickis1021@reddit

Right? They’re the Handmaiden’s Tale girls of singers. And how do we get the message to them all that whispertalking in iambic pentameter is NOT singing!

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FillLoose@reddit

Tell your son that "we like cheese with our whine. Thank very much".

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loco_mixer@reddit

anything they say cant faze me at all because have you heard what they been listening to these days

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forPorn@reddit

I'm going to be honest. I totally get it. To me, my eureka moment was with System of a Down second album. I really really into new metal by that time. Moved on from grunge to "heavier" stuff and at some point. In the bus I had to take, for more than an hour everyday. I just got really pissed at Serj and in my head went violently "Would you just fucking shup up!!" and that was the point I could not listen to most of my old music ever gain.

I just got fed up. My life was in shamble, my sister was addicted to heroin, parents gone, I was working full time while trying to get an education. I was hosting my little brother in hope he does not turn like my sister but he partially did and we went from detox to other detox.

I was fed up with whinning. I moved on to Post rock for the music without lyrics. Then moved on to slower stuff.

Everything's way better nowadays but still can't listen to really really great songs because of the lyrics. Tools come to mind. Love the music. What a fucking annoying whinny mind that wrote theses lyrics.

I must say, I don't think they shouldn't do what they do. It's just not for me. I'm capped on bullshit that's all. Good on you if it helps with emotions catharsis or something.

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RoohsMama@reddit

My son who’s ten loves nirvana! He even had me buy a shirt with the wonky smiley face.

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Geralts_Hair@reddit

Would you have got it for him if it still came with the original text on the back?

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RoohsMama@reddit

Nah

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Temporary-Library597@reddit

Make him listen to the music that grunge mercifully killed. Get some Cinderella, Poison or some other awful band that was popular in 1988. He'll learn his lesson.

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Ipickthingup@reddit

Dude, Helloween is one the the best bands ever!

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EdgeOfThorns76@reddit

Helloween fucking rocks! Michael Kiske killed it on vocals back in the day and STILL sounds great now! Andi Deris, though different vocally, was still awesome. I found one of their cassette tapes in a bargain bin back in the early 90s (a best if compilation) and didn't know anything about them, I just picked it up on a whim because what the hell it was only $1. One of the best bargain bin purchases I ever made!

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Ipickthingup@reddit

Hell yeah! I very much enjoyed some Helloween in the gym from time to time

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SuzanneStudies@reddit

Diabolical.

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

Good point

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Jennyreviews1@reddit

51F Hahahahahaha “whining”… well now….

“ so why are you on Reddit then, cause you’re lonely?”…. Awww, Dad are you lonely?”… out of the mouth of babes…

I remember my junior year in high school and listening to Nirvana and thinking 🤔 💭 oh man this is great… … Now I live in Washington state and have visited Kurt’s home… owned by someone else now. I wonder where’d he be in life if he were alive today…

I know loneliness… I am divorced now…. But hopefully life goes on. All the best to you OP:) ♥️

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liddybuckfan@reddit

I gotta say, I was born in 1969 and I felt the same way going into the 90s. Like, what the hell are these guys so bummed out about? It was a pretty hard shift in the music world. Took me a minute but then I just realized a lot of it was just hard rock/metal that I loved with fewer solos and hairspray, and a lot more plaid.

(I'm still not a big fan of either Nirvana or Radiohead!)

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Hilsam_Adent@reddit

I bucked against the shift for as long as possible, but I saw the writing on the wall when I listened to Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime. You could absolutely see the shift from Hair to Grunge in every track on that album.

I would love to say I was early to that party, but I didn't even know who the fuck they were until I heard Jet City Woman on the radio.

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liddybuckfan@reddit

I always thought Queensryche was more prog rock than grunge. I was a fan from back in The Warning days!

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Wristwatch48@reddit

“I Don’t Believe in Love” is a perfect example

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SavoirFaire2Middling@reddit

If you visit Aberdeen, WA, you'll know what they were so bummed out about.

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ItsRedditThyme@reddit

I never could put into words what I hated about grunge. Applause to your kid.

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ChampagneChardonnay@reddit

We went from party songs about sex, drugs and rock & roll to whining, upset and sad little b*tches. The kid is right

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requiemguy@reddit

You're allowed to think that.

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jaymz668@reddit

you're kidding right? Living on a prayer is whiny AF, as is born in the USA

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ChampagneChardonnay@reddit

A select few. The overall genre was fun

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DickWhittingtonsCat@reddit

Tony Bennett killed grunge. That spry, virile old rooster strutting in his studied style in spring 1994 on MTV unplugged- months after Kurt Cobain offed himself and that STP hype looked so impotent he couldn’t get out of a rocking chair—- it absolutely cut grunges balls off.

I mean which of those scenes would any person find more admirable and worthy of pursuit.

There is a reason that the aggro-hyper crotch fixated Limp Bizkit, Korn stuff followed hot on grunges heals. Tony Bennett made grunge look like music for pathetic men.

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OneRuffledOne@reddit

No, he didn't.

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Bjorn_Blackmane@reddit

Loser

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oldfogey12345@reddit

A bunch of middle class white kids were playing expensive instruments talking about how unfair life was in a world who hadn't even had 9/11 happen yet.

Grunge was just our teenage angst music. Not some big, important social move forword.

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YesNoMaybe@reddit

middle class white kids were playing expensive instruments

That certainly wasn't Nirvana.

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calizzasauce@reddit

yep, dude has no clue wtf he is speaking about.

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TapeFlip187@reddit

Hahah seriously. what in the fuck?

The only other time I've heard something so passionately ignorant about them, was when kurt died and a teacher of mine went off about how "of course" he died bc everytime you do drugs you're gambling that you might die. He then went off about "all of them in their leather pants" were going to die the same way.\ I don't know how it was even possible to avoid hearing cause of death at that time, but to also just make one up is wild.

For a second I was like 'every musician is going to blow their head off? that seems unlikely.. oh wait no, this guy's just an idiot'

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74MoFo_Fo_Sho_Yo@reddit

You son has no clue to how Nirvana changed the music seen, how many peoples love Nirvana and touched the vibrations of our being.

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FrogsMakePoorSoup@reddit

It did help that hair bands and wet lettuce pop were all we had before that.

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AutoArsonist@reddit

scene*

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drinkme0@reddit

My son doesn’t like the Beastie Boys, because “all they do is yell and I can’t understand them”. 😂

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GoogleZombie@reddit

You really should disown him. 😁

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drinkme0@reddit

We almost did! 😂

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vhalember@reddit

So what'cha, what'cha, what'cha want?

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bhick78@reddit

Same reason my mom hates Seinfeld.

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oriental_lasanya@reddit

Gen X with a xennial kid? Did you have him at like 18? Also, those of us in the xennial range tend to love Nirvana and Radiohead.

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Oldebookworm@reddit

My son is 38 and considers himself a xennial.

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74MoFo_Fo_Sho_Yo@reddit

Tell your son, "Wait", like Wednesday Addams. Write what he said down in a notebook and put a date on it. Capture every juicy judgmental thing he says to you. Keep writing. If he has a kid, give it to him when his kid turns 18 or 21 years old, depending on how long you want to write for. Throw some life back in his face and laugh.

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KingPabloo@reddit

80’s music was so fun, 90’s music so depressing

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El_Peregrine@reddit

Cmon now, there’s plenty of awesome depressing 80s music too

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DonkeyWorker@reddit

"i was looking for a job and then i found a job, heaven knows im miserable now".

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one_bean_hahahaha@reddit

The Cure enters the chat.

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KingPabloo@reddit

Some but not like the music in the 90’s - BTW, I love the music of both decades

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foodweneedfood@reddit

Ah yes, Depeche Mode, Ministry. Joy Division Sisters of Mercy…those lighthearted bubblegum pop scamps.

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jigsaw153@reddit

Not in my little part of it.

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LongoSpeaksTheTruth@reddit

Little xennial capitalist

So, your son is at least 41 years old ?

Xennials are a micro-generation born between roughly 1977 and 1985, bridging Generation X and Millennials

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hvacigar@reddit

Your son is one of the three emo characters from South Park.

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lottaballix@reddit

Radiohead I agree with yer son.

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eggs_erroneous@reddit

And Thom Yorke is a pretentious douche. The music is good, but my god that guy is way up his own ass.

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TapeFlip187@reddit

This comment made me realize I dont think I know one single thing about that guy outside of Radiohead. How is that even possible.

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Luvsseattle@reddit

Seattle checking in ... in tears. Just not sure if its from hurt or humor.

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JenneanA@reddit

My take is Gen X nev Er whines about nothing so we sang it! I don’t wanna stay ay ay ay ( Pearl Jams Yellow Letbedder) Round Here- Counting Crows. Classic whining in song. Loved to cry to it then get back to work

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Decent-Ad-5110@reddit

I guess he hasnt heard the contemporary whining that is alt mumble rap

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Aware_Impression_736@reddit

Expose your son to some really great hair metal.

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Johnny_Radar@reddit

Fuck that. That stuff sucked back then and is worse now.

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Aware_Impression_736@reddit

KISS rules.

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Fabulous-Educator447@reddit

Gave you an updoot for the lonely roast. Brutal!

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UFO-Band-Fanatic@reddit

My 29-year-old daughter loves Radiohead (she’s a musician) and a lot of ‘90s music, including grunge. I loved Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and AIC. I could listen to Nirvana, but they were my least favorite of the big four of grunge.

But putting the whiny/angsty thing into perspective: of the big four grunge bands, the only front man still standing is Eddie Vedder. Cobain died at 27. Layne Staley was 34. Chris Cornell died at age 52. Cobain and Cornell died by suicide. Staley died as a result of his addiction. The “whiny” music that these men wrote and recorded came from a real place of pain. And these were our artists: grunge is truly a Gen X art form.

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No-You-5064@reddit

That's not the kind of art I want to embrace. I can feel sorry for these people but don't want to glorify their mental illness let alone have this kind of music represent my generation. Yuck!

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TapeFlip187@reddit

Is this a satire account? You've written 1000 comments about a genre you dont even like and now you're saying mental illness is yucky? ffs, move on. No one is making you experience 'grunge'.

OP was just sharing a funny story about their kid, not trying to give you an opportunity to publicly work thru your deepest issue with something that's 100% avoidable.

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UFO-Band-Fanatic@reddit

And that’s the beauty of being able to select what art you want to consume.

By and large, I listen to music with my heart. The stripped-down rawness of some of that music resonated with me (and so many others of our generation). Layne Staley probably did it the hardest—so many people cite Nutshell as their soul-crushing song. I don’t believe these songwriters (or their audiences) were setting out to glorify their mental illness—they wrote about what they were experiencing and it was likely cathartic. This genre was definitely a 180 from the hair metal party era of the ‘80s (brought to us by Generation Jones!).

That said, I still love the mindless arena rock anthems of the ‘70s and ‘80s. I still turn up the volume when I heard the opening chords of an old AC/DC song.

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Sesquipedalomania@reddit

Yes, and it was cathartic to many of us listeners too, because it spoke to what we ourselves were going through. That doesn’t mean that that one genre alone defined us, or that we didn’t listen to other types of music that also spoke to other aspects of our experience . But grunge and other “whiny” music became popular because it genuinely expressed what so many people were feeling. Nobody has to like any type of music they don’t want to, but I don’t understand the some peoples’ (like many in this thread) need to put down certain music and the people who made and listened to it.

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

“Would you like me any better, if I were Eddie Vedder?”

I still can’t believe about Chris Cornell. He was my kinda rockstar.

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UFO-Band-Fanatic@reddit

I was lucky enough to see Soundgarden in February 1990–as an opening act in a bar. The term grunge had not yet entered the modern lexicon.

Weeks later, Chris Cornell was in the recording studio putting together the album that would be Temple of the Dog. That recording session was born of tragedy: the death of Mother Love Bone singer (and Cornell’s friend) Andrew Wood. Of course, these sessions introduced the world to Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam.

Grunge truly was born under a dark cloud…I am gonna go listen to Say Hello 2 Heaven…

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RoguePlanet2@reddit

Hmm, now I'm wondering why this is. Prozac was a new thing and they were just realizing the suicidal side effects. Everybody seems to be nostalgic for the '90s for some reason- I had just graduated into a recession and was too busy with a long commute and working to have much fun at all. Come to think of it, I had to go on antidepressants due to all the job instability despite my best efforts.

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AutomaticFennel1658@reddit

Very well said.

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Titfuckholly@reddit

So his solution is to whine about it?

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smarmy1625@reddit

no his solution is to change the station but because he wasn't driving and he was raised right he's polite enough to ask first.

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LocksmithGlass717@reddit

Yep from around 91-99 nobody put out a happy song.

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Govinda74@reddit

Hey it’s hard to make shiny happy music when you’re strung out on heroin, man! lol It was like you were poser if you weren’t a full blown junkie

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TPK_MastaTOHO@reddit

The guys in blur were on h and realesed song 2

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LocksmithGlass717@reddit

Fair point but I wouldn’t really call Blur “ grunge “

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TPK_MastaTOHO@reddit

I wouldn't either but, was more just commenting on the drug if choice.

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MinneapolisBill@reddit

Shiny Happy People released in 91

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Thrashbear@reddit

I wonder how he would have responded if you were listening to ultra brutal Norwegian death metal.

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BCsinBC@reddit

GenXer who agrees with your son’s assessment.

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Maleficent-Neat2964@reddit

He needs to get his ears checked!😊 I'll never forget the first time I heard Teen Spirit and knew music was never going to be the same again. In the best way. Goodbye hair bands!!!😊

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depeupleur@reddit

Never liked it. I was in my twenties when it came out. Also did not like Nirvana in general. Was fine with most of the rest of the grunge bands. Nirvana always sounded to me like Cobain was always feeling sorry for himself and couldn't write any lyrics that made sense.

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MoeKneeKah@reddit

I mean….. unchecked mental illness will make a person pretty sorry for themselves. It’s kinda a benchmark of what he was suffering. You should try being grateful that you can’t relate to his struggles.

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No-You-5064@reddit

I don't understand why so many people think getting pulled into someone else's "unchecked mental illness" is fine entertainment. No thanks!

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Boringpieceofshit@reddit

“I don’t understand”

Got that part right at least.

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No-You-5064@reddit

self-righteous comment. No one is obligated to enjoy this music. I think it's depressing and ugly. I'm turned off by unchecked loud dissonant whining, but you do you.

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Boringpieceofshit@reddit

Self righteous? How many “I’s” are in your reply? Or just your comments in general?

“I don’t like this, therefore this shouldn’t be entertaining to people”.

Hilarious

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MoeKneeKah@reddit

You’re a lucky person. People are pulled in because they also have had (or currently have) unchecked mental illness. In the great country of the USA, unchecked mental illness is rampant, because healthcare is expensive. So again, rather than being annoyed or saying someone is “feeling sorry for themselves” just BE GRATEFUL that you don’t understand. Stop being so judgmental. You’re lucky, be grateful. That is all.

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No-You-5064@reddit

It's just bad music to me. You are being self-righteous.

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MoeKneeKah@reddit

You’re being intentionally obtuse. Is there something wrong with being grateful?

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No-You-5064@reddit

not relevant, you are just trying to distract. You know nothing about my life and are just trying to be a jerk.

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Wetdogg72@reddit

I went to high school with some of the guys who were in the scene, some still are.. and I hated the music! A lot of them would ask if I’d come to see them play or help out, since I had a truck, or just invite me along to see others, and I never went. I felt the same way as your son, just a lot of whining. I like it more now though..

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Scimmia_bianca@reddit

My friends and I called it “complaint rock” back in the day.

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blackandbluegirltalk@reddit

Cher said that in Clueless too!

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Scimmia_bianca@reddit

That’s probably where we got it from.

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jaypee42@reddit

To Be Fair … Smashing Pumpkins can be pretty whiny

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Excellent-Baseball-5@reddit

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jaypee42@reddit

To be faaaaaaaiiirrrrr…

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Excellent-Baseball-5@reddit

Pidder padder let’s get at ‘er.

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OpusCroakus1@reddit

Tonight.. toniiiight toooonight...

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Objective_Joke_5023@reddit

Thank you, young sir. I never liked grunge, and this is exactly the way to express what I didn’t like.

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youngkpepper@reddit

Me either, though I can recognize that there are/were some talented grunge musicians.

I loved, and still do, new wave and all of its synth-heavy relatives. Grunge is pretty much the opposite of that.

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Accomplished_Map2206@reddit

That’s exactly why I’m on Reddit, Little Bro.

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Globeblotter85@reddit

As an early gen x'r (born in 65), this was exactly my thoughts when grunge hit. What the hell are these guys so upset about. They just seemed so whiny. I loved all rock and roll up to that point though some of the hair band stuff was not my cup. I did like some of it, but that was exactly my early take as well.

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ChampagneChardonnay@reddit

Me, too. It was depressing.

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Charming-Pack-5979@reddit

Tell him he’s reminding of your parents and see what he says about THAT 😂

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motorik@reddit

I was mostly into electronic and experimental music and ignored Grunge completely. If I wanted to hear guitar music, my go-to was Shoegaze or the occasional metal band like Coroner.

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OccamsYoyo@reddit

This just in: your son’s a douche.

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flyfishfem@reddit

I mean, I feel like someone can call their own kids a douche, but to call someone else’s kid a douche is feral

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ulose2piranha@reddit

To call someone else's kids feral is unhinged.

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flyfishfem@reddit

Ye. Technically you are someone else’s kid. If you feel the need to play that card makes me think you aren’t GenX and prob should be kicked out of the group. Sounds like a millennial response 😂

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DocDerry@reddit

I like grunge. There is a lot of whining

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hairballcouture@reddit

He’s savage!

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RepresentativeAir735@reddit

Noel Gallagher said the same thing in the 90s.

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UFO-Band-Fanatic@reddit

When I was in England, I always tipped the buskers—unless they were playing Oasis.

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RedSparrow1971@reddit

He was probably drunk

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Most_Maintenance5549@reddit

En vino veritas

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Absynth421@reddit

In whine, there is grunge

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cdlauro@reddit

About those exact bands. 😂

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WokeAssMessiah@reddit

The boy is not wrong

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MissKhary@reddit

The "boy" is a 40+ year old xennial man.

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TheM3lk0r@reddit

I always found kurt cobain to be whiny.

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Mundane_Associate593@reddit

"Wish I was like you. Easily amused."

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-Sanguinity@reddit

Hey, wait! I got a new complaint! 🎶

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VirusOrganic4456@reddit

You know who's whining? Alanis Morissette.

There, I said it after 30 years.

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UFO-Band-Fanatic@reddit

That teenaged girl whined all the way to the bank

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VirusOrganic4456@reddit

And I'm happy for her, really I am. But I will not be tuning in lol.

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-Sanguinity@reddit

Isn't it ironic? 🎶

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newyork2E@reddit

Great music and true it was a lot of whining. My son just explained to me that older people like me use Reddit

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Street_Mood@reddit

Not all of it tho. But radiohead creep def takes the cake

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newyork2E@reddit

Agreed def a great era in music

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Admirable_Trouble574@reddit

He’s correct about the Grunge scene.

The fun and anger were in the Punk and Ska music scenes.

Pennywise Suicidal Tendencies Rancid Bouncing Souls Face to Face Social Distortion Offspring Suicide Machines Less than Jake The Vandals

Save Ferris Dance Hall Crashers Mealticket Mustard Plug Voodoo Glow Skulls

And SO MANY MORE.

The 90’s were a golden age for punk and ska, especially in the SoCal scene. For $5-$12 you could see any mix of these bands on any given weekend and some weekdays.

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GoddessNyxGL@reddit

I've always felt that Mike Ness was the voice of my generation, or at least my people in it.

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mushy-71@reddit

You raised this kid right! 🤣🤣

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mushy-71@reddit

Oops had to clarify, love this music, but love the sarcasm from the young one!

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gnortsmracr@reddit

Yep. (That’s how I interpreted it).

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SnarkFest2026@reddit

He’s right. That shit is super whiny. I’m a little bothered that a fellow genX-er doesn’t have better taste in music! We have so much to choose from!

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Practical_Wind_1917@reddit

Should have probably drown that one in the bathwater.

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zombuca@reddit

With boomers still ruining everything, we had/have good reason to be whiny.

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Minimum_Rub_7316@reddit

What a ridiculously shallow and uninformed comment.

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zombuca@reddit

You’re right. Everything is going so well.

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Minimum_Rub_7316@reddit

Did I say everything was going well? No, I didn't. I said your comment was shallow and uninformed. Blaming one generation for all this goi g wrong is fucking stupid

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qpv@reddit

If we want to play the generational blame game, it lands in our laps soon. Its already starting to for those that participate in that notion.

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Bucks2174@reddit

Every 80s metal band sang about girls, partying and having fun. Grunge hit in the 90s and every band wrote about depression and wanting to kill themselves…and some did. Grunge sucked

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jaymz668@reddit

every 80s metal band?

I dunno, Metallica have a couple of good suicide songs, and only a couple about girls. Some whiny shit too....

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Kindly_Jellyfish_451@reddit

My nephew calls it “complaint Rick.” 🤨

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jljanowski@reddit

So does Cher Horowitz.

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Hilsam_Adent@reddit

As IF!

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drainbead78@reddit

My kid once asked "Can we listen to music from this century?" Two years later and she's telling me about this awesome band one of her friends clued her into called Green Day.

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Kwyjibo68@reddit

It’s funny, because in my head, Green Day is still a newish band. I haven’t really followed music since the mid 90s.

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Hilsam_Adent@reddit

With respect to Green Day, there hasn't been much of a need to, honestly. They peaked at their first album.

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strangedazey@reddit

When mY son was 12, he asked me if I'd heard of the band AC/DC. 😐

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TheSpitalian@reddit

😂

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strangedazey@reddit

Yep. What else can you do but laugh

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drainbead78@reddit

I remember telling my parents all about this new song by some guy named Alice Cooper back when "Poison" came out.

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Puffpufftoke@reddit

I graduated HS in ‘86 , the 90’s should have been my era but I couldn’t handle the whinning either. Still can’t. I dove deep into the 60’s and early 70’s rock for most of that decade. Then around 2k music took another turn and the most amazing thing occurred, Indy and alt rock went back to the 60’s and 70’s for an updated rock revival. So much great music in that stretch from all over the world! It was a perfect storm for my tastes. I will say, I’m having a hard time finding much to be excited about over the last decade. It’s been slim pickings but there are a few bands that I’ve discovered and enjoyed. ALEXSUCKS is the latest on my rotation.

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CrankyDoo@reddit

I graduated in ‘87. I think a lot of us GenX that became adults in the 80’s never took to grunge. It’s one of the reasons why I think the “official” GenX span is a bit too broad. I feel a distinct generational gap with people that came of age in the 90’s.

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SusannaG1@reddit

I became an adult when the youngest Xers were still in preschool. Never took to grunge.

The upper cohorts of X really did have a different experience in a number of ways, from the younger end of the generation, from who sang the numbers on Sesame Street (Grace Slick or the Pointer Sisters) on down.

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Puffpufftoke@reddit

The older Xrs like myself had a completely analog existence through childhood. The younger ones were introduced to the digital world and grew up in a different environment. I’ve heard them called the Oregon Trail generation. They are distinct enough from both GenX and Millennials to deserve their own classification.

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LetThem_1972@reddit

100%

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Trolkarlen@reddit

I much prefer 1986 music to anything from the 90s.

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bsunwelcome@reddit

There's so much whiny music, and it started in the 90s. I hate it!

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jaymz668@reddit

we didn't start the fire was a pretty damn whiny 80s song

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nursetanya2@reddit

Lmao!!!

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Longjumping_Young747@reddit

He's not wrong.

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novelist9@reddit

He's not entirely wrong, but that's the point. The late 80s/early 90s (my high school/college years) were far from perfect but they *felt* full of potential. The wall had fallen, the president played sax, we won the Cold War! We had this space to be theatrically morose and whiny. It was a luxury kids from future generations never got. They got hit with Columbine then 9/11, and it's been a shitshow ever since. They were born and grew up in a world that has only known widespread televised violence. So yeah...whine away, Kurt, while you can. ...Sorry, this is thing for me.

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chickenthinkseggwas@reddit

Interesting take. Perhaps the 'space' we had allowed us to grow enough idealism to mourn.

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sal1800@reddit

At the time things felt pretty crummy and you could see all the greed from people wanting to get into finance to take everything for themselves. It's only looking back that I can recognize the late 80s/early 90s as being sort of a peak and many things have gone downhill since.

It amazes me that in high school, many of us drove late 60s cars which were considered junkers back then but are now highly desirable and expensive.

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ljw1031@reddit

Wow… atleast our music makes sense?

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Hilsam_Adent@reddit

Radiohead is incessant whining. It's why I never liked them. Counting Crows, Coldplay, a significant portion of the Second British Invasion, etc. Never have liked that vocal style.

Nirvana isn't whining, per second, it's more... bathing in the futility of raging against the machine. It's self-indulgent, sure, but it's not "whining", per se.

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No-You-5064@reddit

people either get Radiohead or they don't. There's nothing in between. To me their music is transcendently beautiful and I HATED grunge (Nirvana, Pearl Jam et al. )

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Hilsam_Adent@reddit

Opinions and assholes and whatnot. My trash is your treasure and vice versa. If there wasn't a solid market for both, they wouldn't still be talked about thirty-plus years later.

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Art_of_the_Win@reddit

“so why are you on Reddit then, cause you’re lonely?”

Heh... your kid is savage!

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FourScoreAndSept@reddit

That’s the point man. He doesn’t appreciate it because he didn’t live in Seattle in the 1980’s (which birthed what became 90’s grunge).

Watch the “Hype!” (1996) documentary with him

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7figureipo@reddit

He's not wrong. Grunge was possibly the worst music of our generation, and is an embarrassment.

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Johnny_Radar@reddit

Nope. Hair metal was. I wasn’t the biggest fan of grunge but I’m glad it took Hair Metal out behind the barn and put it down like Old Yeller.

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7figureipo@reddit

You know, that's a fair point.

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notjawn@reddit

You should have replied "I wish I was like you, easily amused."

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qpv@reddit

Ha perfect response

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hellhouseblonde@reddit

I mean, it was pretty depressing music!
Your kid sounds fun and funny, congrats!

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jondes99@reddit

You spelled winning wrong.

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Lompican_redwoods@reddit

Your son is wrong, grunge era rocks and is a true staple of genX! What’s turned into a bunch of whiners is the majority of threads in GenX sub.

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psionfyre@reddit

Failed parenting /s. Goddamn kids got potential, that little shit sounds exactly like me. wipes tear from eye, you must be so proud. 🤣🤣🤣

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TC_Stock@reddit

Daammn. Your son knows how to hurt some feelings.

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snarpy@reddit

Hot take: whining is good

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orangepinkroses@reddit

What. Have him listen to Soundgarden

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x86_64_@reddit

Soundgarden stood alone in the crowd of 90s grunge bands.

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qpv@reddit

Damn your kid doesn't pull any punches

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Admirable_Trouble574@reddit

He’s right.

Grunge music was riddled with whiny drug addicts.

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Comfortable_Ad_4417@reddit

😂😂😂

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Atticus-XI@reddit

Bah. Grunge was mediocre as hell, especially (*lobs firebomb*) Nirvana.

So Goddamned boring.

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EdgeOfThorns76@reddit

I'm going to get downvoted too, but I agree with you! Apart from Alice in Chains and Soundgarden, I never got into grunge.

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CWShermanGirl@reddit

I think your son is a clone of my Gen Z kid. Same zingers I hear from mine.

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bjb8@reddit

I can certainly understand Radiohead as whiny since the singing definitely sounds like that to me.

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Aveeye@reddit

I'm 51 and I thought the same thing way back 35 years ago.

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PhilosopherFun7288@reddit

How is he an “xenial”… is he like 38?

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aubreypizza@reddit

Just what I commented as well as an Xennial I was like wtf??

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DuranDourand@reddit

Right. I’m 45 and considered a xennial.

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FL0werPunk@reddit

80s music > 90s music any day

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kcbrooklyn1@reddit

Whoa, hey…slow your roll…

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PrestigiousCopy4963@reddit

Damn, you got served…twice. Your sons your daddy now.

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VerdantField@reddit

Wait til he hears Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, and Rod Stewart (the original Whiners if that’s a singing style 🤣)

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No-You-5064@reddit

I don't get how Rod Stewart is whiny.

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VerdantField@reddit

It’s the dragging out tone of his voice style in some songs (at least to me). 🤷‍♀️

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Wild_Bake_7781@reddit

Lol!

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Imjusttryin84@reddit

Grunge was not our finest hour, in my humble opinion..i agree with your son!

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mikess314@reddit

Disagree. We spent years watching the exact same concert music video with the exact same skinny drug adult Aqua net haired shrinking glam rock douche bags. But hey, maybe three or four more years of Cherry Pie and Unskinny Bop was what we needed.

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Johnny_Radar@reddit

Yep. I could not wait for that Hair Metal shit to die. More into punk than grunge even today, but I’ll always be glad grunge ended that shit.

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No-You-5064@reddit

your son is right. I called it whining at the time and am so disappointed that this music has come to define my generation! I hated grunge music and the grunge aesthetic! All so ugly, the look and the attitude!

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AuntJibbie@reddit

I've never considered grunge to define our generation. Not once.

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No-You-5064@reddit

the culture always has

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Responsible_Cod_5540@reddit

Correct

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AnUnexpectedUnicorn@reddit

💯

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Butitsadryheat2@reddit

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ChuckYeagerWV@reddit

Yeah, I was never impressed with it.

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yeahwellokay@reddit

“so why are you on Reddit then, cause you’re lonely?”

Because they're nicer to me than you are.

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MasterrTed@reddit

So why are you on here then? ARE YOU LONELY 😛

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Tech-Mechanic@reddit

I said this when that shit was new.

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Thumper13@reddit

No offense, but you have failed as a parent and you raised an idiot.

Hi kid! No money for you. In my day we didn't have to pay for friends. GET OFF MY LAWN!

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Southern_Air3501@reddit

😄😂

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Idislikethis_@reddit

My Dad (who is 70) has always kept up with new music but he won't listen to Radiohead because he thinks they're too whiny.

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DjinnaG@reddit

Cher in Clueless called it “complaint rock”. I absolutely steal that, especially when I’ve recently heard “Heart Shaped Box” (“hey, wait, I’ve got a new complaint “)

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Sufficient-Dog-2337@reddit

Yes, because you should take Kurt cobain lyrics literally and there is no way it is sarcasm or commentary

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DjinnaG@reddit

I meant because it reminds me of the quote, not sure how sarcasm changes that.

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Sufficient-Dog-2337@reddit

It’s funny because Cher wouldn’t understand that and would take it literally

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KintsugiExp@reddit

As opposed to today’s music? 😂 Sounds like parental failure to me 😆

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seamuwasadog@reddit

Funny, that's what I (GenX/Jones} called grunge when I first heard it.

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SuzanneStudies@reddit

Radiohead is firmly alt. Not trying to criticize your parenting there but…

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indrid_cold@reddit

Truth hurts.

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LimeGinRicky@reddit

Put on some “Bad Religion”, or Drop Kick Murphys”.

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Acceptable_Mirror235@reddit

I love Nirvana . So do all my kids and their SOs. My 2.5 year old grandson asks his dad to play “the song with baby “, meaning Nevermind.

Our kids also got their dad and me into vinyl.

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SavoirFaire2Middling@reddit

Our kids also got their dad and me into vinyl.

This is insane. Delightful, but crazy.

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JediKid-A@reddit

I'm listening to Insecticide right now and I still love it. Say what you will about the style of music, but Kurt and Dave's talent is undeniable.

***Shrugs***

Oh, and Radiohead is grunge? Who knew?

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Billy-Joe-Bob-Boy@reddit

My ex-wife called Pink Floyd (one of my faves) "guitar angst." That one is still with me.

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Substantial_Web4658@reddit

Some people don't know good guitar.

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Billy-Joe-Bob-Boy@reddit

I WISH I could play guitar like Gilmour. The sustain on some of his stuff is insane.

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nickfree@reddit

You never have to wonder if you’re if listening to Glimour play. One of the most distinct and emotionally expressive players of all time. And my musical hero.

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Reddit_Only_4494@reddit

Your son gets it.

I just missed "grunge" as I was 20 in 1990. I never liked it. It may have hit harder if I was 5 years younger.

THEN, I turned 30 and the early millennium introduced us to louder whining from Linkin' Park and so on.

I'm stuck with the 80's hair band messages of partying, drinking & girls.

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Brief_Ad7468@reddit

Similar for me. I’m a couple years older than you, and I just didn’t understand what all the fuss was about. Having said that, I did grow to like a few grunge artists later on, but it’s never been sacred to me.

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banksy_h8r@reddit

I'm stuck with the 80's hair band messages of partying, drinking & girls.

In hindsight, the escapism of 80's hard rock makes a lot more sense than the anger and angst of 90's hard rock in the context of their respective decades.

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mspuffins@reddit

same age. only could tolerate nirvana. give me the cult or the smiths or something to dance to.

morrissey ia the king of whining. nobody does it better.

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Reddit_Only_4494@reddit

Soundgarden for me. Always into them.

THEN Cornell/Rage unholy alliance came along with Audioslave to rescue my second complaint about the loud whining of the early millennium.

I liked Soundgarden more after Audioslave came out.

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beeredditor@reddit

Same. I was 19 in 1990 and I think I was just a little too old to get into it.

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TruthJusticeGuitar@reddit

The great grunge was angry.

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spitfish@reddit

Funny! That's exactly why I dislike it too!

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Clean_Inspection_535@reddit

My wife asked me to turn off REM because she’d “had enough with this grown man crying”

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thejake1973@reddit

She speaks the truth

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Tess47@reddit

I feel that way about Country.

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bendingoutward@reddit

Time to throw on the Cattle Decapitation.

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swerve13drums@reddit

When i was a teenager listening to carcass & napalm death, my parents had shown me the way as a toddler by exposing me to zeppelin, sabbath, deep purple acdc skynyrd cream, the who

I wondered, even then, what my kids would come to percieve as 'extreme' music in their time.

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bendingoutward@reddit

My only outlet for rebellion would have been to wear a tie. I salute you, fellow scum 😁

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BloodyBarbieBrains@reddit

I agree with that assessment of Radiohead, but not Nirvana.

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

He said it during “Creep”

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BloodyBarbieBrains@reddit

I don’t blame him AT ALL.

I’ve always held that STP Creep > Radiohead Creep.

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GymnasticSclerosis@reddit

The irony of his generation complaining about “whining”. 🥴😜

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SatanicPanic619@reddit

I don't think this generation is whiny at all. They're just checked out.

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RogerClyneIsAGod2@reddit

Seriously, rIght now there's a whole generation of whisper singers that are so sad they can't actually project enough to sing. They just whisper their lyrics. That said I do love me some Billie Eilish.

Although I fully understand them thing some grunge was "whiny." Creep is kinda whiny.

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Kershiser22@reddit

Cher Horowitz said the same thing 30 years ago.

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FzzyCatz@reddit

My son deeply wounded teenage me when he complained about Smashing Pumpkins. He said the music was boring and had some guy whining.

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mspuffins@reddit

i most say the smashing pumpkins have a certain pitch that hits my ears wrong.

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uttyrc@reddit

The guy is whining because he realized he misspelled Mayonnaise and now he can't go back to change it.

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Without_Portfolio@reddit

I was never a fan of grunge and fortunately the kids aren’t either, so I get to skip that era completely.

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Embarrassed_Key_4539@reddit

Tbf Nirvana is whiny af

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OccamsYoyo@reddit

I’ve never quite understood that premise. Most of Kurt Cobain’s lyrics aren’t “whiny” so much as abstract to everyone to Kurt himself. And the things he did “whine” about were real problems most people still had their heads in the sand about: treatment of gays and women to name only a couple. His opinions shaped the values of a significant portion of our generation. What the hell did Motley Crue — for one example — do on the front? “But they were FUN” you might say. What was so fun about them? Although they had some moments in their early days, by and large they were shitty musicians (with the possible exception of Tommy), shitty songwriters and by most accounts shitty people.

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Ornery-Seaweed-2546@reddit

When you want to name your first album I hate myself and want to die or something close to that, you got issues. Execs made a decision I agree with, just. No.

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kahllerdady@reddit

My daughter, when she was a teen, through a combination of luck and random chance, found herself dressed up like Eddie Veder. Like, plaid shirt, same kind of jeans, same boots, same - fuckin' - hair, everything. I joked and asked if she was starting a Pearl Jam tribute band. She had no idea what the hell I was taking about. So I put on Ten and after a couple of songs she said.

"Yeah, this sucks. I don't like country music."

And I KNEW for sure right then she got a lot of my DNA.

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snootchiebootchie94@reddit

LMAO. My daughter and wife tell me all of my music is sad. I was looking through my collection of records and a lot of it is sad, or progressive type stuff, rap or metal. Realized I needed to get some more upbeat stuff to get the family off their feet and dance.

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RoguePlanet2@reddit

My husband loves Pink Floyd and while I appreciate their music, holy hell they're depressing. I'll take anything with some wit and fun these days, can't handle MOAR depression!!

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snootchiebootchie94@reddit

Pink Floyd is probably my favorite band. I feel attacked. She has asked me to try and play something NOT from the 70's.

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RoguePlanet2@reddit

The eighties were probably the most diverse decade for music, soooo much to choose from! Start with something like Men at Work or Madness for some fun, maybe Stuck In the Middle with You by Steeler's Wheel, Thomas Dolby, Simple Minds, Prince, Blondie........wide range of genres.

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Virtual_Mechanic2936@reddit

Love it! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Zip668@reddit

He's whining about whining.

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Electrical-Bid-9577@reddit

That’s funny! I always used to call grunge "Mope Rock"

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XStonedCatX@reddit

Play him some Morrisey. Then he'll know what REAL whining is.

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OpusCroakus1@reddit

Zing! Well... You're not wrong, lol 😂

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XStonedCatX@reddit

Ugh, can't stand him. Just SHUT UP!! I dont care if you havent got a stitch to wear, cry me a fucking river 🙄🙄🙄🙄

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EarlyInside45@reddit

I agree with him.

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Pumpnethyl@reddit

Put on Hunger Strike to start, and then finish it up with Neutral Milk Hotel “Airplane over the Sea”. Not grunge but really drives it home! Played the entire album for my Millennial son and explained the album’s concept. He said “well, that’s ironic “. No shit!!

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fraukau@reddit

My husband and I sing Hunger Strike when one of the kids turns their nose up at dinner. They both love it and hate it.

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wrngwithmechemically@reddit

Sounds like someone was walking to wherever they were going. 😂🙂😐

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MarvinHeemeyersTank@reddit

I hope you glared at him and then turned it up.

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Motor_Struggle_3605@reddit

I mean, he’s not wrong.

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Disastrous-Group3390@reddit

I constantly compare grunge’s whiny navel gazing to fun like ‘all the bills are paid, got it made in the shade, and all I nee-nee-need…is a beautiiful girl! Ah, yes, beatiful girls!’ and ‘SKYDIVE NAKED FROM AN AREOPLANE!! WHOA!! YEAH!!’

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DarlingTreeWitch@reddit

The very reason i couldn’t listen to them. I have misophonia (sp) and whining and twangy sounds set me off. Country music and voices like Mariah, Adele, and Christina Aguellera are all triggers too. Sucks!

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SheBrokeHerCoccyx@reddit

Curious: how do you handle Robert Smith?

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DarlingTreeWitch@reddit

Weirdly, depends on the song. Some are triggers, some not. Ozzy and Metallica were more my style back then.

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Fluffymanolo@reddit

I never thought of them this way before. Maybe that's why they haven't made it to my regular playlist rotation while other "grunge" bands are featured heavily...

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Able_Software6066@reddit

When he graduates with a degree in computer science and can't find a job because he's been made obsolete by AI and can't find affordable housing, transportation and housing, he'll have an appreciation for 'whining'.

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winter7@reddit

Honestly this is precisely why I never enjoyed grunge at the time… I found it too whiny. I oddly appreciate it more now.

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412_15101@reddit

I’m with the kid. Wasn’t a grunge fan when it started still not

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Giantandre@reddit

Radiohead isn’t grunge and if you played him OK Computer or Kid A I bet he’d like it.

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OpusCroakus1@reddit

+1 for OK Computer

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ShockedNChagrinned@reddit

Conversely, my teen year old loves most of the music from the 90s rock era (and many other eras).

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ranchoparksteve@reddit

As a musician myself, I can forgive Radiohead’s “whining” because the actual music is often brilliant and totally original. That’s a rarity in recent decades.

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GuyPierced@reddit

That’s a rarity in recent decades.

Right...

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Hitchtopher@reddit

I've also noticed that they tend to end their songs with a sense of Hope so you aren't left in the gloom.

For example, Street Spirit is an emotional ride, but those last words, "Immerse your soul in love," hits so hard after all of the anguish of the rest of the song.

During the final section of How to Disappear..., there is that moment where the eerie dissonance of the strings resolves for just a moment giving you that seed of positivity and a sense that it will all be ok if you can just endure a little longer.

It's all brilliant!

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LetThem_1972@reddit

great observations

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LazyOldCat@reddit

They kept trying to tell me that about Wilco too, but even after an “intimate” live show they’re still a mid bar-band at best.

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ItsmeMr_E@reddit

As you age you come to realize it's all been done before.

Eventually you learn that a lot of what you grew up with was also not completely original; as it often was a rehash or at least inspired by that which came before it.

It is what it is, new becomes old, and eventually old becomes new again for another generation.

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muskratboy@reddit

Remember this moment for when he inevitably goes emo and you can throw it in his face.

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OpusCroakus1@reddit

Ooooh... Touche.

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md222@reddit

Interesting, now we get Olivia Rodrigo.

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ribbit_ribbit_splat@reddit

You know that scene in Clue where Mrs. White talks about how much she hates Yvette? That’s how I feel about Olivia. I hate her so much that flames…flames on the side of my face…heaving breaths… Hope you’re old enough for that reference, I’m a bit ancient!

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

This is how I feel about Ariana Grande

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theheadofkhartoum627@reddit

Sounds like the kid is searching for the ground with his good eye closed.

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Desert_Sox@reddit

It's not a new thought. I had it at the time. I wanted nothing to do with those whiny little brats from the start. (and yes - I hate Morrissey too ;)

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OpusCroakus1@reddit

Bwa Ha Ha Ha Ha! That's hilarious! 😂. Your son sounds like a hoot! Ha ha ha

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paintingdusk13@reddit

Lol one random kid's opinion can't kill diddly squat.

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D_Mom@reddit

Have to admit this is why I never liked grunge, too whiny. Play some good punk instead—Dead Kennedys, Ramones, Sex Pistolsz

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Tokogogoloshe@reddit

I would've put it louder.

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

I did

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Zooter88@reddit

Put on Radiohead next.

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Sufficient_Space8484@reddit

I’d whine if my son said that to mean.

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No-Captain2150@reddit

Could probably write a sweet song about that. :P

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cdlauro@reddit

Channeling Noel Gallagher.

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LazyOldCat@reddit

I find there’s far more whiny millennials into Radiohead than GenX’ers🤷‍♂️

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

Maybe I should post it there

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GreyGhost878@reddit

They are a whiny generation.

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Hey-Bud-Lets-Party@reddit

Is Radiohead considered Grunge now?

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Hfcsmakesmefart@reddit (OP)

Alt rock/grunge

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flyfishfem@reddit

From the mouth of babes

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Dismal_Estate9829@reddit

I was never a huge grunge fan but I listened back in the day. I agree with your son, listening to it today hits different with life experience and maturing behind me.

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MonolithsDimensions@reddit

Put on the Melvins.

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LetThem_1972@reddit

Love the riffs. Can't stand Buzz's voice. I've tried.

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systemfrown@reddit

You have to have something to whine about for it to make sense.

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Ear_Enthusiast@reddit

NGL, as I've gotten older Nirvana has kind of lost me for this reason. I know he was fairly young, but listening to an adult sing about his teenage angst kind of rubs me the wrong way at this point. Also, I have my own share of addicts in my life and hearing him sing the shit that they echoed as they spiraled is just not for me.

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The_Adminiwitch@reddit

I hope you downed him (/s)

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UsedHotDogWater@reddit

Must be listening to Smashing pumpkins... I unfortunately have to agree with your kid.

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HippasusOfMetapontum@reddit

If it's any consolation, I had the same reaction to grunge in the early 90s.

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wildsnowdrop@reddit

Likewise 😂

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Diela1968@reddit

Play Rush or Kate Bush and ask him if he still thinks Nirvana is whiny

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DrHarryWolper@reddit

Rush???

The Smiths/Morrissey would have been a better example. Rush???

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MatJosher@reddit

Against All Odds by Phil Collins way outwines all of that

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DrHarryWolper@reddit

That's fair

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remarkablewhitebored@reddit

I think he’s confusing a whiny tone of voice as actual whining. Kate Bush and Geddy Lee both have a certain quality to their voice.

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MotoXwolf@reddit

I would have said Green Day.
Talk about whining!! I am offended to the core every time i hear someone call them “Punk”

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Practically_Hip@reddit

I love angst. Gen X Forever!

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WiseguyVIP@reddit

But have they heard pop punk yet?

That’s whiney to the core.

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Current-Potato-82@reddit

Hey…Wait! I got a new complaint! Forever in debt to your priceless advice

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RoguePlanet2@reddit

My husband loves the Lithium satellite channel, and it is annoying how angsty all the songs are (with a couple of exceptions.) Smashing Pumpkins is intolerable. Bush is properly angsty. RATM is perfectly valid anger. Pearl Jam/Nirvana are OG. Nearly all the rest sound like spoiled posers.

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PalliativeOrgasm@reddit

I can’t stand Billy Corgan’s voice or his personality. Saw them live a couple years ago and it was shite (every other band was awesome, sound dialed in for the venue, seemed happy to be there - except the pumpkins. Muddy sound, his screechy-ass voice kept breaking, ugh. Came out of it with a new appreciation for Rancid and a love of the Linda Linda’s that I didn’t expect.)

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FragrantGearHead@reddit

I think Thom and Jonny would be a bit offended that their music got called Grunge.

Your son has a point about those two whining though.

Feed him some Soundgarden 😀

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RamboGram@reddit

No, he didn’t.

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Mr_Guavo@reddit

I hope you pulled over. You need to nip this shite in the bud, or it festers into something bigger. /s

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No-You-5064@reddit

nope, her kid is showing he has good taste

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HonoluluLongBeach@reddit

Your son was right!

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onetooomanyohs@reddit

tell your son to shut-up 2. he needs to consume and understand the evolution of rock, and how it's often a response to what came prior 3. throw some fugazi, pixies and jawbox his way

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Stephietoad@reddit

JAWBOX 🔥🤘

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IowaJammer@reddit

Good Story.

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TaxiLady69@reddit

Oh my gosh. I love your son. I have always felt this way. When Kurt Cobain died, I asked who? Because I was not a Nirvana fan at all.

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RayBuc9882@reddit

I tried listening to grunge in the 1990s and found it to be depressing—and I like sad songs!

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Da_full_monty@reddit

I have found if you play a song/band for someone, "listen to this!" ppl tend to not like it. If they happened to find it themselves they have a tendency to enjoy it more...that being said, If ppl dont like something it all sounds whiny.

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cobrakai15@reddit

Skibidi dibidi or something

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Butitsadryheat2@reddit

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Jumpy-Impact3265@reddit

He's not exactly wrong

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MaximumJones@reddit

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Hey-Bud-Lets-Party@reddit

You Know You’re Right

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im_dead_sirius@reddit

I never got into Grunge. I was 19-20 when it exploded, and I had (a bit of) money, there were girls, work, mountains to hike in, and I hadn't had the youth (or nationality) that the grunge artists experienced.

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zoppaTheDim@reddit

I say you need to expose him to a wider selection of Grunge, as this is the what people who say Grunge when they rant about Nirvana tend to say.

Strap the brat down and turn up badmoterfinger until his ears bleed.

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slowcheetah4545@reddit

My son (13) has listened to incesticide more than I have lol. I played say it ain't so and only in dreams, because he was only familiar with buddy holly and islands in the sun and weezer was "mid", so he's been on a huge weezer kick lately and will soon know know more about maladroit than I ever did

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funkytownup@reddit

True- now, turn up the Motörhead

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funkytownup@reddit

I don’t remember hearing anything about those guys getting a BJ on stage. Lemmy said, “ I don’t think her boyfriend appreciated it very much “

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Vudublue@reddit

We are Motörhead, and we play Rock an Roll 👊

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cabhop@reddit

Maybe there is hope for the future yet.

Grunge was always whiny, mopey shit.

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myleftone@reddit

Weird Al used a bunch of 90s tunes in a medley called “Angry White Boy Polka” in 2003.

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Available-Secret-372@reddit

You’re raising a good one. Grunge is for people who can’t appreciate melody and harmony or good taste.

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NotoldyetMaggot@reddit

You can fuck right off with this shit. Grunge has some of the best melody, harmony, grooves, lyrics and kick ass music that ever was. If you don't like it then fine, but there's no need to throw shade at the genre as a whole.

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Available-Secret-372@reddit

Try the worst grooves, horrible musicians, god awful singers and no groove. Some of us turned 15 and moved on and dug a little bit deeper

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NotoldyetMaggot@reddit

Some of us are 50 now and like both old and new music. Maybe you should grow up and appreciate who today's music got their influence from.

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Available-Secret-372@reddit

You should probably get your ears checked

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NotoldyetMaggot@reddit

Nah they're fine.

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Minirth22@reddit

Your son gets kudos from me! Love it!

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megar52@reddit

Mine did the same when I was playing Pumpkins. Hurt to the core

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thejadsel@reddit

Billy Corgan's voice always did sound whiny to me, tbf.

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Jacksworkisdone@reddit

Same with all the rapey songs from the 70s and 80s. It really hurts to hear them being played continuously on the radio.

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swerve13drums@reddit

"I'm a girl watcher, I'm a girl watcher - here comes one now"

Would never fly now, but pop in the 70's

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jesus_chen@reddit

Spot on.

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huron9000@reddit

It’s called Complaint Rock.

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brianpeppersguero@reddit

Or "Eeyore-core" - as I would personally dub it. Reclaiming these with pride 😎

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Historical_Project86@reddit

LOL. My daughter actually collaborated with a guitarist friend of hers on a rendition of Creep. She played it to me and I said "You know he's got those 'ch-ch', 'ch-ch' guitar bits in the wrong place, right?". :-) I then had to get my guitar out to demonstrate, of course.

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Murder_Teddy_Bear@reddit

I wouldn't have stopped the car and just kicked the little shit's ass out on the highway.

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Mindbending818@reddit

Tell him to stop bitching about the music

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EntertainerNo4509@reddit

What a whiner, right?!?

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gornzilla@reddit

You should listen to the band that largely kicked off grunge. Tales of Terror from Sacramento. Just an odd, mostly skate punk band, that should have had a chapter in Our Band Could Be Your Life. They were one if the early touring bands and their sound was influential in the PNW. Amazing live, too.

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Bettersaids@reddit

It's interesting the way stories become cannon. Like emo... it's basically accepted that Rites of Spring started Emo and then it moved on to 2nd wave emo. I dunno about that. Yeah, I'm sure some of the "2nd wave emo bands" listened to Rites of Spring and other bands like that, but 2nd wave emo doesn't sound like that. It feels like a reaction to similar situations by different people with a different outcome, but I kind of remember it as a different scene all together. It's just interesting who is remembered and credited and who wasn't and how the lines are drawn.

And there are bands I never heard of being back filled into the story, which is probably a good thing in some situations... but I saw a youtube video about "the band that actually started grunge"... and it was a band that existed and they had the right vibe and were in the right scene, but they didn't have a good song on their album. I got why they had been forgotten, but I'm sure it meant something to someone. Tales of Terror definitely sounds cool and probably fit in somewhere... they seem to get a decent amount of streams for having one album from 1984 on Spotify. Even then... one of my favorite bands that changed my life was a local band in my college town that never recorded anything. I probably saw them 30 times. So, in conclusion, I don't think we can really credit or discount who was important or who wasn't.

...I'm digging this album though.

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gornzilla@reddit

I put my emo blame on Rites of Spring. They were great and hugely influential. Led to Jawbreaker and that was that.

What's that quote about/from Velvet Underground? Something like we only sold 100 records when we were actively playing, but everyone who heard that record started a band.

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savedbytheblood72@reddit

The Smithereens

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applejackie25@reddit

Hey at least he didn’t call it oldies

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Junior_Ad_3301@reddit

My 14yo tells me all the time how my music sucks and she hates all of it......except when we're riding on the way somewhere she'll skip a few she does hate and then say oh! I love this song, i just roll my eyes lol

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Tsimps2362@reddit

When my daughter was about 10 she called Radiohead my "suicide music" 😅. She's 26 now and loves them.

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holden_hiscox@reddit

Jesus, that's harsh, but funny.

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Senior-Cantaloupe-69@reddit

He’s not wrong about those two bands.

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Rook_James_Bitch@reddit

I was heavily involved with that scene growing up. I try really hard not to sound like one of those "hippies that went to Woodstock & it was sooo cool!" ...(but I fail).

It was really cool to party with your "Rockstar idols"... And I do use that term loosely. Practically lived in Seattle (road tripped several dozen times from out of state).

I wouldn't call it "whining"... More like "IDGAF music"... For its time.

But juxtaposed to today's time, yeah, it can certainly be interpreted that way to anyone who didn't grow up during its zeitgeist.

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TheRateBeerian@reddit

I mean, I’ve always skipped Radiohead because of the whiny factor

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MelbaToast9B@reddit

Not grunge technically

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TheRateBeerian@reddit

agree

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Terrible-Mind-5414@reddit

We were a bit of a whiny generation it must be said, at least up until the Internet started rolling

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Waffuru@reddit

And then you stopped the car and politely, but firmly, asked him to leave, right? XD

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DorianGre@reddit

Are you not making your kids playlists for music education? I'm happy to share mine. Here is what I made for my son when he was 10. He went on to have his own radio show for all 4 years of university. The minimum starting point for any kind of music, any band is only 3/4 degrees of separation from this list.

Time Has Come Today - Single Version	The Chambers Brothers
Hey Ladies	Beastie Boys
Ziggy Stardust - 2012 Remastered Version	David Bowie
Here Comes Your Man	Pixies
10:15 Saturday Night - 2005 Remaster	The Cure
Do I Move You?	Nina Simone
Just Like Honey	The Jesus and Mary Chain
Spread Your Love	Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Mysterons	Portishead
Ballade de Melody Nelson	Serge Gainsbourg;Jane Birkin
Candy Says	The Velvet Underground
Fortunate Son	Creedence Clearwater Revival
I'd Rather Go Blind	Etta James
Call It Stormy Monday	T-Bone Walker
Everybody Knows	Leonard Cohen
Reeperbahn	Tom Waits
Rose K.	Rasputina
Surrender - Live at Nippon Budokan, Tokyo, JPN - April 1978	Cheap Trick
I'm Your Witchdoctor - The BBC Session (Sat Club 25/10/65)	John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers
Heart of Gold	Neil Young
Fred Mcdowell's Blues	Mississippi Fred McDowell
Home Sweet Home	Tommy Lee
Tales Of Brave Ulysses - Mono version	Cream
American Woman	The Guess Who
The Mother	Xavier Rudd
Heart-Shaped Box	Nirvana
Could This Be Magic?	Van Halen
Uncontrollable Urge	DEVO
Trouble	Yusuf / Cat Stevens
Know Your Rights - Remastered	The Clash
Cripple Creek	Flatt & Scruggs
Goin' Down South	R.L. Burnside
Enjoy the Silence	Depeche Mode
The Last Film	Kissing The Pink
Addiction	Skinny Puppy
Get Me Away from Here, I’m Dying	Belle and Sebastian
Voodoo Child (Slight Return) - Live	Stevie Ray Vaughan
Twentieth Century Fox	The Doors
Wish You Were Here	Pink Floyd
A Change Is Gonna Come	Sam Cooke
Swan Swan H	R.E.M.
Big Poppa - 2005 Remaster	The Notorious B.I.G.
The World Is Yours	Nas
Check the Rhime	A Tribe Called Quest
Work It	Missy Elliott

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ZouDave@reddit

It's so true, and I've chosen a hill to die on - even against my friends from the 90s - that Nirvana does and always did suck. And that was my argument against them in 1993 as well as now, he's just fucking whining.

Pearl Jam had actual good songs. Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Temple of the Dog - all had good songs. Nirvana had one song that was popular, their other popular songs sounded just like it, and it's whiney af.

Garbage music that I firmly believe most people KNOW is garbage music they just can't handle admitting that they were manipulated into liking it when they were 15. If Kurt Cobain hadn't killed himself, the nostalgia of Nirvana would've worn off by the late 90s.

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middlingachiever@reddit

Nah, man. People who appreciate music appreciate Nirvana. I just got back from a road trip with my kid, and he played everything from Skynyrd to RHCP, including all you’ve listed. He played Nirvana songs I’ve never even heard. But he’s a guitarist, so he listens and appreciates with a musician lens.

His first love is metal, but he knows his mama can’t listen to hours of metal 🤘

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sane-asylum@reddit

I couldn’t agree with you more. Nirvana does in fact suck. Never liked any of the grunge bands but I will admit to Pearl Jam, Alice. and Soundgarden having a couple songs I liked.

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ZouDave@reddit

I'm so glad I've found my people. This take usually gets me pretty heavily booed.

My 5 closest friends in the world this day are guys I went to elementary school with. When we're together we invariably end up discussing music at some point. When my Nirvana hate comes up, I'm standing on an island even with them.

They sucked, and their lyrics are straight "I'm 14 and this is deep." The only thing remotely good about them was Dave Grohl. Foo Fighters are an infinitely more enjoyable listen than Nirvana.

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sane-asylum@reddit

I’ve always said that I like the FF as much as I hate Nirvana. Grunge hit in the 90s and by then I was way deep into thrash as my favorite genre. I was also a hair metal fan, loved the energy of the concerts. Also, GenX is a 15 years long and my best friend who is 4 years older than me listens to more Zeppelin, Floyd, and AC/DC. His wife is 5 years younger than me and she likes grunge.

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Japhet_Corncrake@reddit

Nirvana was a punk band.

The others you mention were hard rock/metal bands.

You don't like punk, and that's OK.

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irishgator2@reddit

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tkingsbu@reddit

I kid…

I confess… I DO like Nirvana… but I’m not so into them that I can’t appreciate some humour… they WERE whiny…

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ZouDave@reddit

See that I can and will get behind - I guarantee I'm still loyal to bands/movies/whatever from our youth that I can look at now and be like "oh, that objectively sucked. Don't care, still love."

Hell - that's how I am with the movie Twister. That's an objectively AWFUL movie. Just...terrible. I still watch it like once/year and love it. It's truly bad.

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dammitknockitoff@reddit

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ZouDave@reddit

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blkwidow76@reddit

Totally agree. I couldn't stand them then or now.

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Kwyjibo68@reddit

What? Nirvana sucked?

Someone get my smelling salts…

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ArcadiaKing@reddit

A few years ago, I was teasing my son for listening to Emo music. (The band was Sparklehorse, which is a great name). Then I remembered what a big The Cure fan I am and had to apologize.

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millionthcustomer@reddit

I don’t know if it’s truly “whiny” music. It’s definitely angst-y, though.

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Trolkarlen@reddit

I called it whiny in the 90s. I’ve never been a fan.

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Talking80s@reddit

🤝

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buckynugget@reddit

Whooahh-ohh-ooohhhhh-ooooohhhhh boy. (add more of that whoop as needed)

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Talking80s@reddit

No lies detected.

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2Payneweaver@reddit

Thumbs up to your son

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Easy_Engineer8519@reddit

Truth hurts

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Brock_Savage@reddit

That kid dropped a truth bomb.

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Responsible-Middle35@reddit

for 23 years, my ex would get drunk and play grunge and metal every Saturday night. I have to agree with the kid lol.

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MelbaToast9B@reddit

Y'all are fired 😂

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abesapien2@reddit

Haha whining about whining. Classic.

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Mike_Honcho_Summer@reddit

It's a vicious cycle.

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IUMogg@reddit

Tell him it’s not whining, it’s expressing angst

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Trolkarlen@reddit

That is just a synonym.

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somePig_buckeye@reddit

I graduated from high school in 91. I never really listened to grunge either. That was peak country music time.

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Trolkarlen@reddit

Country peaked with Patsy Cline.

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middlingachiever@reddit

Hank, Cash, Dolly, too.

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Oliver_Klozoff653@reddit

Grunge is highly overrated

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shawncollins512@reddit

All music I don’t personally like is overrated.

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Oliver_Klozoff653@reddit

Totes, bro

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savedbytheblood72@reddit

I just remembered Josey Scott from Saliva..

"What the hell is wrong with me?

My mom and dad weren't perfect

But still you don't hear no cryin', ass-bitchin' from me Like there seems to be on everybody's CD" 😅😅

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Mike_Honcho_Summer@reddit

Click click boom!

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Johnfromstjohns@reddit

Honestly, if I never hear Nirvana again, I’d be OK with that.

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GargleToes@reddit

Next time put on Morrissey

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TheSpitalian@reddit

😂 the poster child for whining!

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Rags2Riches420@reddit

And he's still alive?

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Lane_Meyers_Camaro@reddit

Does he deserve to be? Is that the question? And if so, who answers?

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not-a-regular-mom@reddit

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surly-monkey@reddit

very, very well done

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underwatr_cheestrain@reddit

It was kind of whiny but it’s roots were East Bay and Seattle Punk Rock which was bucking against authority and inequality.

These kids today are just privileges little fucks with zero real hardships

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VegasBjorne1@reddit

I have called it “Whiny White Guy” music for decades.

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Mistermxylplyx@reddit

It was whiny and pretentious to me back then, but time has changed that to frustrated and trying hard.

I wasn’t oblivious to it, it was everywhere, but I was a hip hop fan and wholly disinterested.

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timmmii@reddit

When I want to hear whining I just turn on Fox News

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An_Old_IT_Guy@reddit

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rjm72@reddit

There’s a reason these groups appealed to us as teenagers. When music with similar themes come out now, it’s “whining.” Yes, we are turning into our parents.

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catsowner9221@reddit

My son calls it "divorced dad music"

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Ianthin1@reddit

I thought that was Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit?

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catsowner9221@reddit

🤣

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Individual_Note_8756@reddit

😂🤣

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jcapi1142@reddit

You son just hasn't developed taste in music yet.

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nphare@reddit

Just wait until he starts paying taxes. He’ll get it

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jcapi1142@reddit

Then he will be blasting the misery sound

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Terrible_Salt7906@reddit

Like in Clueless when she calls it “Complaint Rock”

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pedmusmilkeyes@reddit

Came here to say this!

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No-Competition-2764@reddit

You’ve got a really cool kid. Grunge should be extinguished. Bring back the hair bands!

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LazzarilloDeTormez@reddit

People blame phones for societal malaise. Or the COVID pandemic. Truth is the world started going to hell when Van Halen split with David Lee Roth.

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therealgookachu@reddit

Or when Bruce Dickinson left Maiden. Thank god he came back.

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No-Competition-2764@reddit

You know this is true!

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MW240z@reddit

My favorite part of grunge was the shot that put hair bands down. “It’s all right Timmy, Warrant and Poison are living free on a farm…”

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omfgwhatever@reddit

Ew, no. Lol

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PhatBitty862@reddit

My eldest called it depressing music several years ago. Now it is all he listens to

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Relative_Figure_601@reddit

Couldn’t agree more - cuz Grunge WAS whining.

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therealgookachu@reddit

Whining white dudes with daddy issues.

Not my cup of tea.

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malevolentheadturn@reddit

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Turtle2k@reddit

put him on restriction for a week with no TV

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Global-Jury8810@reddit

Yeah and add the “whining” music. Kid thinks he can just click like emotions are a fucking streaming service.

Try this. Make a 90s room, with nothing but 90’s references. Put a copy of Fran Drescher’s “Enter Whining” on the coffee table. Now you have the grounding room ready for your kid 😄

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VegasLife84@reddit

Well he's got a point with Radiohead, anyway

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bee_keo@reddit

Oof!

But I am with your kid on Radiohead, they just never clicked with me.

My oldest kid recently borrowed all of my Nirvana CD’s (already has the Live Unolugged as well as Hole Celebrity skin on vinyl ) and is asking for Alice in Chains

Going to dump Sonic Youth on them next…

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