Slate Auto Wants Crank Windows to Be Its Calling Card: "It’s a signal of what it means to drive a Slate”
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EnderBaggins@reddit
Cute but these are the kind of comments that make it diffficult to take these guys seriously.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Yeah it’d be easier to just say “we want to keep the truck as cheap as possible”
They don’t have to make excuses
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
This is going to be more expensive than just installing a couple of buttons and a window regulator.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
It’s buttons, wiring, a motor, and a controller
Versus a crank attached directly to the gear moving the window
ChaosBerserker666@reddit
I’m old enough to have seen the end of crank windows. They went from reliable to less reliable than power windows, because all the gears became fucking plastic! I’ve had more crank windows fail in the 90s and early 2000s than I’ve replaced window regulators in my lifetime.
Beer_Is_So_Awesome@reddit
Yeah my wife had a civic with crank windows that used to give us trouble. It used this reel with cables. Anyway the cable snapped on the first day of a road trip and left the window stuck half-open, and I had to remove all of the trim and panels on the inside, push the window into the closed position, and jam it closed semi-permanently. In a parking lot. When I got home, I ordered a new window regulator reel n
Never had an issue with a power window.
Inevitable-World2886@reddit
The reel-with-cables is used in power windows, it just has a motor attached. 100% the same hardware otherwise.
Inevitable-World2886@reddit
I have a ‘96 Ram fleet-spec (USPS) with crank windows that work just fine. I’ll take them over electric shit that breaks any day of the week. Just replaced an electric window regulator in my dad’s ‘08 Sentra. 10/10 Was Not Fun.
munche@reddit
I mean their body panels are plastic I don't see why these would be made to a higher reliability standard
The car is designed to be cheap and disposable
isocuda@reddit
They're fully R2R and you can do some warranty work at home yourself or at independent shops you trust.
That's part of the point of them minimizing the number of parts and making everything a machine screw or bolt. It's basically a fleet vehicle.
Their marketing is a bit off, but it's really just meant to be the truck you don't think about and beat the shit out of it.
But it's the furthest thing from disposable. You can reconfigure it down the road or hand it off to your kid or just let it be the parts runner.
cubs223425@reddit
Except it's not that cheap anymore. It's gone from the $25K range to the $25K range to a vauge "no price has been set." If it's going to end up on top of the entry level ICE compact trucks anyway, I think they're pretty much doomed.
For as much as this thing is going to lack compared to other trucks, I don't think being an EV will make up for having to compare to a Colorado or Ranger in price.
munche@reddit
As with every EV startup I'm still saying it's vapor until they actually ship some products, but yeah I think when reality hits this thing is going to look a lot less cool to most people.
We get promised a super cool very cheap EV every couple of years and in the rare event they actually do make it to market, they *never* make it to market anywhere near that promised super cheap price.
Differlot@reddit
I don't get why they don't use the kind of windows that you slide side to side. Can't really fail unless the knob breaks off the window to slide it.
ChaosBerserker666@reddit
Wind noise is absolutely abysmal with those, and they have way more issues with water sealing and water ingress into the mechanism.
The_real_bandito@reddit
So that’s why I saw so many of those failed. I was lucky my car had the metal gears since mine always worked until the engine died on me.
s1ravarice@reddit
Why not a crank handle attached to a regulator. Looks good, is reliable.
ChaosBerserker666@reddit
The handles are generally cheap plastic and break also. I’ve replaced a bunch in my life.
cwtjps@reddit
There's also the fact that nobody is making crank windows any more, meaning the parts bin of suppliers is either non existent or slim.
Elvis1404@reddit
In Europe they are still common on the rear doors of cheaper cars
margoo12@reddit
The big 3 still make crank windows. They usually only show up on fleet vehicles and whatever their cheapest model is.
Drzhivago138@reddit
Ram HDs in base trim might be the last still offering cranks, and that's mostly because they're still using a 2009 cab.
2kewl4scool@reddit
New ford E350’s still have them. My boss bought one 2 years ago for our FedEx fleet
Drzhivago138@reddit
That would make sense too. The interior and exterior have seen updates, but the basic cab structure is still 1992.
g5aeo4@reddit
I remember seeing 2025 MY super duty’s trucks (generally fleet models)with crank windows when I used to work at a ford dealership
Drzhivago138@reddit
2025 MY might have been the last for SDs. 2026 has power standard on the base XL trim.
AdmiralZassman@reddit
i drive rentals a lot for work and have not seen crank windows in over a decade
engineer_jonathan@reddit
That is not true. There are still cars in international markets using crank windows. Additionally, you can get agricultural and ATV/side-by-sides with crank windows. In other words... there's suppliers out there.
Piney_Dude@reddit
Some cars in the teens still had crank
Confident-Ad-6978@reddit
A crank window is just a power window with a crank to the motor.
TheAsianTroll@reddit
The Mk4 Toyota Supra uses plastic gears in its seat adjustment mechanism. I have zero doubt a company trying to be cheap will use plastic gears in a window crank assembly.
nondescriptzombie@reddit
We've had to replace both manual regulators on all of our GMT800+ WT-spec trucks. They start binding up and cleaning and lubing the tracks does nothing.
The Duramax with power windows and the fancy interior package has never had either of the doors opened.
ad895@reddit
Plastics have come a long way in that time, so I wouldn't write it off right away if they are plastic.
TempleSquare@reddit
Even the metal stuff from the 1970s was pretty darn unreliable as the vehicle aged.
I think the difference is the motor applies stress consistently, so they can engineer around that. But somebody turning the crank does weird things and applies it in bursts, rather than a smooth constant push.
Not to mention people ripping the crank off. We're wearing out the splines on the crank.
anomaly149@reddit
I don't think people realize how cheap a motor, a switch, and wiring is vs. a crank, its bracketry and reinforcements, etc. are.
The motor and switch are commodity parts. The crank mechanism has to be somewhat boutique per door per vehicle.
DocPhilMcGraw@reddit
Power windows are actually cheaper to install than crank windows from a manufacturing standpoint.
That’s the reason crank windows went the way of the dodo even in the most basic of cars. Economies of scale started working heavily in favor of power windows.
jmbre11@reddit
Sometimes the scale doesn’t make sense. Honda civic for example.2012 there are 2 different size drum breaks for the rear and 2 disks for the rear. With as many as they build and sell I think it would be cheaper to just drop the drums altogether. I know some of those parts go in other models which seems to make the scale problem worse
scroopydog@reddit
This makes sense but is probably a real edge case.
Most builders are going to have a single body harness that contains unused wire runs for multiple options, so the wires are probably there in all models irrespective of if they have power windows (PW).
Many models will have looms in the door too, the connectors will be the same, just depinned for manual windows (MW).
The equipment for transporting, binning, attaching and testing is probably almost identical, the testing can be automated with PW but not with MW (definitely a cost advantage to PW here).
Most models will always require a PW option but customers will rarely complain if there is not a MW option so you have to do all these things for PW anyway.
Logic works out. One thing left out is liability. There’s a greater legal liability on PW than MW. Even today there are still recalls for PW and pinch sensors, etc. my new Audi had a recall in 2019, kinda made operation worse IMO.
I would be curious to see real world MTBF, PW has to be used more, bet that results in higher failure (in terms of time). Someone out there has done this research, bet it’s even in resources like ALLDATA. Last time I replaced a radiator ALLDATA had MTBF on the various OEMs, cool stuff.
Snazzy21@reddit
They aren't making these decisions with assumption they'll have to recall them, it's not factored into the decision.
Unlike power windows, manual windows might not justify the cost of tooling and part support. That is something they know before when they are making the decision.
TimeBandits4kUHD@reddit
i think the real money savings is just from removing the auto-up feature, not getting rid of power windows completely.
nondescriptzombie@reddit
The auto up feature in a Ford is a simple amperage switch and a latch and hold relay. Latch and hold UP, when the motor bottoms out on the track it starts drawing more amperage than normal, switch resets relay.
It's like $2 in parts.
mrwaxy@reddit
And i hate the auto up/down. its so easy to just hold your finger for like 5 seconds, and you get consistent control
WabbitCZEN@reddit
It's a little more complicated than that.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
These are probably double-digit dollar differences at this point, if that
_EightSix@reddit
Maybe you'd be surprised but it really easy fairly simple! In the early 00's I "converted" a couple of my beaters from crank to electric with those cheap-ass eBay kits to good success.
WabbitCZEN@reddit
Not surprised at all. But it took more than "buttons" and a "window regulator". A motor to move the regulator so it could lift and lower the glass, proper mounting so the parts installed don't migrate spontaneously, and the correct tools to ensure installation goes smoothly, to say nothing of the knowledge required to do everything from removing the door trim panel to putting it back on.
_EightSix@reddit
Yeah, that's fair. I guess I'm thinking of the stupid teenager (me) that accomplished it and not giving enough credit.
WabbitCZEN@reddit
Not that stupid, if you could convert crank to electric on your own. The average person isn't gonna be able to do that even these days with Youtube walkthroughs.
Snoo93079@reddit
They said that, though
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Yeah but don’t say some fluffy bs about ”what it means to drive a Slate”
It’s a new-age shitbox. It’s cheap. We know it’s cheap. We like that it’s cheap
Clover-kun@reddit
It's not cheap for what it is, their stated price isn't much lower than a Maverick, and it will most certainly be more expensive once it hits production. Slate doesn't have the economies of scale Ford does
BlazinAzn38@reddit
I’m not sure $25K-$30K is cheap when it comes with no radio and crank windows
Mathblasta@reddit
No radio or no sound system? Like can I hook up via aux or Bluetooth or whatever?
t-poke@reddit
Nope. No speakers installed.
It's bring your own Bluetooth speaker.
Skensis@reddit
Nothing wrong with this approach, people do it on the subway all the time!
margoo12@reddit
Speakers are an option
BlazinAzn38@reddit
No lol it’s an insane price for what it really is and I’m not sure people realize how stripped out it is.
spongebob_meth@reddit
Funny enough power windows are cheaper than hand crank. That's why you can't even get hand crank windows on work trucks anymore.
Gan-san@reddit
I'm not sure it's cheaper, it's just cheaper to build them all the same way as opposed to the minority of people that would settle for roll up requiring different door cards and parts.
spongebob_meth@reddit
Fleet sales are a huge portion of total truck sales though, I would be curious to see an actual price difference between the two.
Gan-san@reddit
That's my point though. Just one truck versus another the roll up would probably be cheaper if you ignore the cost of developing and stocking the extra parts required to offer both. After you build hundreds of thousands of trucks, they have decided it's easier just to develop, build and stock one type of door for all of them.
spongebob_meth@reddit
I understood what you were getting at. My point is that fleet sales with zero options are like 1/4 of all truck cabs produced. It's not just a few trucks. If there were a substantial cost savings for hand cranks then I think a manual version would still exist.
And in medium/heavy trucks they are basically extinct as well. I'm not sure companies buying concrete and trash trucks are majority paying a premium for power windows.
jurwell@reddit
The mechanisms for electric windows are lighter and less complex than manual windows.
Adjective_Noun1312@reddit
No they fucking aren't, have you ever even popped a door card off?
Guac_in_my_rarri@reddit
These excuses are what gets investors excited. The silicon valley investor thought process is wild.
Salty-Dog-9398@reddit
Investors don’t get excited when the pitch is to design a product that mostly appeals to people who don’t have money to buy new cars.
AdventurousDress576@reddit
Their product won't be cheap anyways. They have nothing.
Car-face@reddit
It's a ~~Jeep~~ Slate thing, you wouldn't understand.
^(/s, because they absolutely have a fanbase who would say that without sarcasm)
Mysterious-Lick@reddit
I don’t have high hopes they’ll succeed financially. It still looks like a poor man’s John Deer with a body kit.
aoeudhtns@reddit
I have several folks in my family that want dead-simple things like this. Always whining about how you can't get crank windows or standard cab anymore, yaddah yaddah.
Well I have good and bad news for Slate. Good news: this market exists. The bad news: these are the most penny-pinching, price-sensitive, buy-used, keep-it-30-years-and-fix-it-myself group you'll ever see. Even if they sell out their first round, they'll exhaust their market and sales will dry up.
Mysterious-Lick@reddit
That’s a very good point. One of the reasons Tesla is so successful is there a customer base is comprised of tech pros finance bros or people with the large disposable incomes really and don’t mind upgrading their cars year after year.
I remember in 2020 2021 how a lot of articles talked about the Tesla took customers away from people shopping the BMW three series and the Mercedes C class and those folks typically go through quite a few cars.
Drzhivago138@reddit
I've not seen any John Deere made in the past 30 years that looks like this, not even a Gator or AMT.
OverlyPersonal@reddit
They haven't made AMTs in over 30 years
Drzhivago138@reddit
Yeah, I wanna say they quit doing them before I was even born. I was just throwing out the only JD models I could think of that look remotely like a small pickup.
50+ years ago, Deere was making prototypes of a medium-duty 6WD cabover truck using tractor parts, also using the AMT name, only the A stood for Agricultural. Besides hauling grain at harvest, it would've also been used for fertilizer and manure application. 6 prototypes were made but the project was dropped over concerns it would be too expensive vs. other trucks or tractors with grain carts. The only pictures of it are in a Don Macmillan reference book from 1990.
WyrdHarper@reddit
I feel like this article was written by AI. An electric window switch has been an option for the Slate since the original announcement (and is still an option on the Slate website), but the article says they're considering it as an option for the future.
dantose@reddit
As much as I like my big infotainment screen in my new car, I'd actually really love the return of all physical controls. It might be a bit of nostalgia, as my first new car had crank windows too, but they really do speak to me. I've been surprised that the other people I've talked to about the truck have similar reactions to the crank windows.
drfsrich@reddit
"We're going to include a hand crank start too!"
Mnm0602@reddit
I’m sorry but this is like arguing for tin cans over a telephone. Makes no sense to me. Power windows are not that expensive or complex to add, to me the crack windows are just an embarrassment that American based production can’t figure out how to do anything for a reasonable price.
nico_juro@reddit
I've had power windows fail on multiple vehicles. I've never had manual windows break. It's cheaper, lighter, and less electrical.
NoMobis@reddit
My friend's car is the same. Power windows always seem to fail, while manual windows are sturdy, worry-free, and more reliable to use.
cactusjakal@reddit
A window regulator is a 30 minute repair on the vast majority of vehicles for sale, particularly trucks
nico_juro@reddit
You are not pulling the door trim, removing the window, and pulling the regulator and motor in under 30 minutes unless you've done it before
cactusjakal@reddit
I have an audi s5 it takes me 30, 40 max
Every truck I've had is the exact same. Its like 3-4 screw and a plug that disconnects then you can remove it and install a new one.
AKADriver@reddit
I have. It broke pretty much the same way power windows do, there was a cable that frayed.
Riverrattpei@reddit
Don't forget the plastic gears that can break
Only like half the teeth are still left on my Miata's driver window
cactusjakal@reddit
It's entirely performative as are the people saying they will buy this truck
anomaly149@reddit
Crank windows are more expensive, this is just posing.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
We will never be able to reconcile the need for domestic production with prices competitive with China, and our wages.
IMO it’s not possible to produce labor intensive goods in the US at a globally competitive price.
kilertree@reddit
Protectionism insures your country isn't dependent on a foreign nation. China taking over Taiwan would cause a huge problem with computer chips.
Tiny-Art7074@reddit
It doesn't inherently insure it. Only if it stimulates and supports actual domestic production is protectionism effective and even then, it will lead to much higher prices and less competition in many sectors. I'm not against security if supply, but it's got to be seen holistically, you can't just ban entire sectors from other countries with no broader replacement plan in place.
kilertree@reddit
The US could have a state-run car company like China. Instead of bailing out Chrysler for the possible third time they could just take it over to insure the US still has domestic manufacturing.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Your country being dependent on another country for consumer goods is not an inherent evil. We have basically zero domestic computer/smartphone production, but you don't see many people arguing that we should outright ban foreign made smartphones/laptops.
When people make a fuss about a resource dependency, it's usually, and most convincingly argued in the lense of defense. We use a ton of TMSC produced silicon in our defense industry, hence the push to re-shore advanced process nodes.
Raven0520@reddit
Four years after Russia invaded Ukraine and the US is still not close to meeting production goals of 155mm artillery shells. But if we neoliberal even harder and offshore more industry, we'll surely get there one day.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Ahh - yes, lets pretend we hit our defense industrial output targets before we offshored simple manufacturing.
The 1941 targets for total aircraft production were 50,000.
we did manage to hit 19,000, and 24,000 by `42.
Raven0520@reddit
I guess the cynical response to this would be that it's the private sector who is responsible for the rise of what your article calls the cult of technology and precision. The author claims these defense contractors are "operating rationally within the incentive structures created by Pentagon procurement," but why are these incentive structures created in the first? Are pentagon strategists obsessing over wunderwaffe because they're misguided, or because they want cushy jobs at defense contractors who make these weapons? Is there something fundamentally wrong with US military procurement?
kilertree@reddit
Are foreign clothing manufacturers receiving huge government subsidies the same way that Chinese automanfacture are.
Time-Maintenance2165@reddit
Ensures.
xqk13@reddit
Yep, I don’t know why people don’t understand that earning high wages (compared to the world) automatically means domestically producing things will also be expensive.
bullyXLdisrespector@reddit
American wages wouldn't need to be so globally uncompetitive if the price of American real estate and healthcare collapsed.
Snazzy21@reddit
What makes China dominant now isn't cost of labor. That hasn't been an advantage for a while. The Chinese don't want manufacturing jobs, so they didn't fight automation.
All the infrastructure is there, the components, infrastructure, and expertise is in one place, and if you don't need to hire as many people the labor costs can be higher too.
That is how they retained manufacturing with fewer people and rising costs of labor.
Henrenator@reddit
China also has MASSIVE subsidies for EVs, so the USA has to make policy to CNN take it competitive
Mnm0602@reddit
When production is fully automated it’s possible but we aren’t there yet.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
It won’t be possible, even then. It’s cheaper to automate something in China than it is to automate something here.
The biggest cost to automate something, ironically, is labor. So even in the case of a fully automated production line, countries with lower labor costs will be able to automate a production line cheaper than us, leading to lower costs due to amortization.
Automatic-Eagle-1953@reddit
China hasn’t been the “low cost” labor country for a decade at least. Those countries are Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Dont forget Mexico.
I never said it was the cheapest country for labor, only cheaper.
It is a union between labor cost and industrial base. I dont think any country can product cars at a given quality level as China, due to its general industrial base, labor costs, and workforce skill alignment.
CrypticQuery@reddit
I completely disagree with you - I love manual windows. Much easier to source parts for and repair if needed down the line, but they're also much less likely to actually need repair.
SwissPatriotRG@reddit
I used to have an F-250 with crank windows. Seemed like a good idea when I bought it because they don't break, but the multiple times a week if have to park the truck, shuffle over to the passenger seat to crank the window down or up showed me it was a massive mistake. Of all the things to cheap out on, this might be the worst one.
ggtsu_00@reddit
Being cheap isn't just about cutting costs. Being cheap is a way of life.
TaskForceCausality@reddit
Power windows are a luxury , one you don’t need to physically drive the car. One of the biggest problems with the modern US car market is the trickle down of unnecessary luxury features into commuter cars, which is why even basic cars cost an insane amount of money.
Back in the day , you could get a four cylinder compact with roll up windows, no AC, and steel wheels . Even a stereo was an option. Nowadays dealers won’t stock anything unless it’s got a sunroof, leather seats and Apple Car Play/Android Auto. Thus $600 monthly payments and 7 year long loans.
Fettekatze@reddit
Back in the further day, you also had stand in front of your car with a long lever to crank your engine to start it.
Crank start instead of a starter motor is the hallmark of what it means to drive a shitbox Slate.
JARDIS@reddit
Its still quite common to see restored Morris Minors with crank starts in my country. They're kinda cool in a janky old way. Never have to worry about the starter motor dying thats for sure.
Riverrattpei@reddit
But you do have to worry about the starter killing you instead
The guy that invented the electric starter did so because one of his friends was killed by a crank breaking his jaw
JARDIS@reddit
Goddam old timey dudes just picking the worst ways to die. RIP to that king sacrificing himself to bring forward the future of automobiles. o7.
jlt6666@reddit
Hilarious for an electric car.
SoyMurcielago@reddit
Gotta start the dynamo somehow
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
Engineering the parts for this crank window system is almost certainly going to cost more than fitting this car with a couple of buttons and an inexpensive window regulator from the likes of Bosch.
Nobody else uses crank windows any more, so they're going to have to create all the tooling to manufacture this themselves.
margoo12@reddit
Why would they engineer a crank but buy a regulator off the shelf?
Also, you can "engineer" a crank in less then 3 hours in CAD. A single gear attached to a handle isn't that complex.
1419526535@reddit
You think engineering a part is just drawing it up in CAD? Yes, modeling the shape of a crank is pretty easy, but that's a small fraction of what it takes to develop a new production part.
margoo12@reddit
Do you really think it's so impossible to simply purchase a crank? The big 3 still make them.
And you do understand that it's just a crank, right? The engineering required is something you can learn in high school. Designing a crank is what a first year engineering student would do in their free time.
NoahFect@reddit
There's an old saying, "Any fool can design a bridge that will stand up. It takes an engineer to design a bridge that will barely stand up."
If I fire up Solidworks and design a crank-driven window mechanism, sure, it will work, but it will cost at least a buck or two more than it has to. Big deal, so what.... but now, extend that to every part on the car, and now you have serious cost overruns that will make the car much less competitive in the market.
Meanwhile, the fact that engineers had to be employed to design something that can no longer be economically built from existing off-the-shelf parts is an expense in itself that can't be neglected, no matter how cheap they make it.
margoo12@reddit
The thing that you and other people seem to be forgetting is that the window crank has already been engineered. Do you think they have to reinvent the wheel too?
It baffles me that you somehow think that a crank will have to be fully engineered and built in-house, but an electric window regulator can come off the shelf with no thought or budget put into it.
Why wouldn't they just purchase a crank for less money from a manufacturer that already makes them?
NoahFect@reddit
I'm responding to your point that "The engineering required is something you can learn in high school." If something on a car does need to be engineered, it won't happen for free, and it won't be done by some coffee boy running a pirated copy of Solidworks.
margoo12@reddit
You being correct doesn't mean that I am wrong. The engineering required is absolutely minimal, and would be assigned to a first-year engineer as a minor project, if it was being designed in house. The more senior engineers would be working on more important things like safety and powertrain.
A manual window crank is simply not something that needs to be over-engineered. It doesn't even need to be re-engineered beyond being made to fit their doors. And the door design is not weird enough for that to be required.
MediocreDot3@reddit
Crank windows don't just stop working though, cheap electronics do
Drzhivago138@reddit
Electric windows can break, but not frequently, and the cost of repairing them nowadays is minimal.
MediocreDot3@reddit
Be realistic and understand we aren't talking about a Toyota here this is an american bare bones piece of junk, the electronics that will be put into this will not be put in with much thought to reliability. This is going to be the cheapest component possible
Drzhivago138@reddit
When was the last time you had an electric window fail on you, American car or otherwise?
margoo12@reddit
I live in the cold. They fail all the time.
Drzhivago138@reddit
I also live in the cold and the worst I've had was in my '02 Tribute when they would just get slow.
margoo12@reddit
I mean the cold, cold. it was -50 here in March. Having a window fail is pretty common up here. Dont even get me started on sunroofs lol
M40A1Fubar@reddit
I have had 7 electric windows fail in the last 20 years. 3 on 2 different Cadillacs, 1 on a kia, 1 on a Mazda, and 2 on a Nissan. Non were driver side ironically. Never had a hand crank fail.
ChaosBerserker666@reddit
I’ve had many fail in the 90s and early 2000s. Damn plastic gears. The ones in the 70s were made with steel gears.
CaffinatedSpiderMonk@reddit
It's very rarely the electric motor that breaks on a power window, it's usually the regulator or even the fiberglass door panel the parts are mounted to.
beardedbast3rd@reddit
They absolutely do. I don’t think I’ve ever had a car that didn’t have a broken crank. The motor actuators are far superior.
That1one1dude1@reddit
. . . You don’t think a crank can break?
MediocreDot3@reddit
I mean the 300K mile work vans that have them I've never had an issue with the windows
Cannot say the same for cars I've ridden in at that mileage/age w/ electric windows
jlt6666@reddit
Lol
frank3000@reddit
Probably lots of third world parts in active production to choose from
PsychologicalPen8634@reddit
My rental Nissan in Mexico last year had crank windows!
We joked that somehow everything in the car was manual except the transmission
theknyte@reddit
Ford still makes and uses them as an option in their Fleet F-150s.
Drzhivago138@reddit
That was 5 years ago. In the years since, they've switched to power standard for both 150 and Super Duty. The only truck still putting cranks in a base model is the Ram HD.
To Ford's credit, they were the last to still offer crank windows in the back doors of a base crew cab, in 2020. Everybody else would automatically bump you up to power if you picked extended or crew. And if you ordered a base SuperCab with cranks on the front doors, the rear windows didn't open at all. There was still a regulator inside the door, but there wasn't enough room on the narrow door for a crank.
hamdelivery@reddit
Entry tier fleet vehicles still very much have crank windows
Seref15@reddit
I doubt that. I've seen some recent work trucks/vans with crank windows
People still repair old cars which means those parts are still available. Just a matter of signing a supply context
David511us@reddit
From what I have seen, there are still work trucks with crank windows--and they also have manual locks and mirrors. The last U-Haul box truck I rented was like this too.
If you have a work truck where the driver's door is going to be opened and closed a ton (like road maintenance, etc.) then being able to completely eliminate wires going to the door improves reliability, since they can't wear out with all the door use.
Drzhivago138@reddit
IIRC the Big 3 got rid of them completely in full-size pickups within the past 5 years. Not sure about smaller pickups or vans.
didimao0072000@reddit
What? It's mostly the same. Instead of a motor and a switch, you just replace it with a plastic handle.
krombopulousnathan@reddit
Electric starters are a luxury. Back in the day you would use the big crank on the front of your Model T to start the motor.
Several-Eggplant4460@reddit
I don't understand why we need all this unnecessarily complicated tech. A horse works great. Monthly payments of half a bale of hay.
Drzhivago138@reddit
That's gonna be one starving horse at month's end.
Several-Eggplant4460@reddit
Hah! I guess I learnt something today. I like my creature comforts in a car,so I don't know much about horses :)
NarwhalSquadron@reddit
Lmao great point.
Seatbelts are a luxury; back in the day we would just get ejected.
Rubber suspension is a luxury; back in the day we would just rattle and bounce.
dcormier@reddit
A car is a luxury.
It all just depends on where the hair is split.
DocPhilMcGraw@reddit
I disagree with this argument. It’s almost similar to saying: “the modern cell phone market is a trickle down of unnecessary features. Back in the day you could get a simple flip phone with T9 texting. But now you can’t find a phone without a large screen or OS with apps on it.”
Sure you may represent the small minority that would love to go back to that, but the reality is a company is going to make what is profitable at the end of the day. And there is also the proliferation and scaling of technology that has happened over the last couple of decades too. It became cheaper to use screens, cameras, and other tech than it was before. It now becomes more expensive to build something basic than it does to build something modern.
Companies started offering more tech and features because that’s what they saw that consumers by and large want.
TaskForceCausality@reddit
Incorrect. In the U.S., carmakers (Tesla excluded) sell to dealerships - not individual consumers. Dealerships obviously have a vested interest in selling expensive cars, so customers with the means and demand for an affordable car will be turned away or “converted” into buyers for more expensive cars. The dealership system is why cheaper new cars aren’t popular, not because there isn’t customer demand.
DocPhilMcGraw@reddit
I disagree completely. There are plenty of low level trim vehicles available on dealership lots across the country.
The reality is that if you are given something like a Sentra S, it’s only a couple thousand more to step up to the SR trim. For a lot of buyers, it can be worth it to spend a couple thousand for a vehicle with a lot more features that they want.
Buying a new vehicle with hand crank windows or steelies doesn’t make much sense when you can even buy a CPO for the same price with many more features.
tararira1@reddit
Power windows were a luxury 40 years ago. We fully figured them out already and that’s not what makes a car expensive.
currentlyquang@reddit
I'm really sorry, is this a serious comment?
peakdecline@reddit
Not implementing AC? Sure, that would save money. No one would buy it regardless if the dealer stocked it or not.
Power vs crank windows? I'm not sold at all the crank window is cheaper to implement.
margoo12@reddit
Why would they lie about the crank windows thing?
peakdecline@reddit
At least in the cited article above they do not state the crank windows are a cost cutting measure. Above all it seems to be a symbolic/aesthetic/marketing thing to me. It gives the impression of "minimalist" design.
margoo12@reddit
The lead designer did an interview with Jay Leno and they went over some of the reasoning behind the decisions they made. The crank windows were specifically because they were cheaper
ChaosBerserker666@reddit
Not implementing AC actually hurts an EV. You get better range with a heat pump and that includes the ability to have cooling. Also battery preconditioning in hot weather. We’ve already seen what happens to battery life without battery thermal management in the old Nissan Leaf. Do Slate really want that hanging over their heads?
t-poke@reddit
Yeah, I was gonna say...power window components are a commodity now that every car has them. There's plenty of off-the-shelf motors and regulators that they can throw in there.
They'd have to scale up manufacturing of crank window mechanisms tailor made for them. That seems more expensive than raiding the VW parts bin for power window components.
Rocker91234@reddit
The problem is that they aren’t charging what they were for say a base model Datsun 510 in the 70’s, they charging at least 20k since they’ve admitted their initial price probably won’t pan out. They’re basically charging what a Civic Sport cost a few years ago for a car with poverty specs. This means this trucks biggest competitor is a 20 year old Toyota Tacoma; big versatile truck bed, cheap, reliable, great community of 3rd party parts to customize to your needs. And radio and electric windows come standard.
stealthybutthole@reddit
at least 30k since the EV incentives are gone
llamacohort@reddit
In 2017, I bought the cheapest Chevy Spark on a high volume lot. It was a base model plus automatic and an ugly premium paint and was marked down a lot. After declining everything finance had to offer, I walked out with zero down and just below $13k on a brand new vehicle.
I felt like the features were very odd, but kinda perfect. The touch screen was decent and 2017 was the first year for mandatory backup cameras. It had power locks and windows, but GM installed 1 power unlock motor that could be used by the app. The seats were manual, but still height adjustable. It was a small basic car with a warranty for 13k. Using the Bureau of Labor Statistics Inflation Calculator, that would be a new car for like $17,400 today.
I think an EV with no need for oil changes and better cost per mile, the $20k mark after incentives is probably good enough to be reasonable transportation for a lot of people.
vhalember@reddit
This truck is predicted to start at $25k - Crank windows and no speakers, but it does have AC, cruise control, and a backup camera.
The Ford Maverick XL Hybrid would be the direct competitor - It's $30,685. A $5,500 difference, and most people would prefer hybrid over EV (as evidenced by awful EV sale volumes in the US), but the features of the base Maverick don't close the $5,500 gap.
There's a case for the Slate, but at $25k, it's much less compelling than at $20k.
czarfalcon@reddit
Even at $20k I’m not sure how strong a value proposition it has over a used car, honestly.
SonovaVondruke@reddit
There are no more incentives to lower the effective price. This will be almost 30k out the door before adding on a stereo or a body color other than gray.
llamacohort@reddit
EV tax credits currently exist and our government is run on a whim by executive order, so it can change by the day. Just wait to buy for when they come back or if the company lowers the price to compensate.
VioletGardens-left@reddit
Shit a cheap ass Toyota Corolla back in the 2000s literally has power mirrors, and that only cost much less than the Slate ever would.
There's absolutely no excuse anymore, not even cost as to why you don't have power mirrors when any cheap car ever can have one
Umikaloo@reddit
Coughcoughbackupcamerascoughcough
I was really excited when I heard the US wanted to legalise kei-cars. It's astounding how "good enough" is no longer considered acceptable by the public.
UnknownColorHat@reddit
My coworker did that with a Kia circa 2009 without a radio / AC. Would not shut up about the thousands he saved compared to my new at the time Focus.
Only problem? He spent those thousands back within the next year retrofitting a Radio and AC into the car. It was stupid and its an internet fantasy that people want cars without this stuff.
Tim-in-CA@reddit
Back in the day, I had to feed my car oats for it to go anywhere! 🐎
jlt6666@reddit
The maintenance on those things was terrible
t-poke@reddit
And the smell from the exhaust was terrible, especially if you gave it too much Beef-a-Reeno.
Futurewolf@reddit
Several years ago I went from driving a 2005 Infiniti G35, considered an entry level luxury car at the time, to a 2016 Kia Forte 5. I couldn't believe how much more the Kia had to offer in terms of amenities - heated and cooled front seats, heated rear seats, led lighting, heated steering wheel, touchscreen, backup camera, memory seats, etc etc. Individually those things are inexpensive but they definitely add up. The difference today is even more stark with all the driver assistance stuff they toss in. Every time I rent a car I spend 10 minutes figuring out how to turn that shit off.
Bonerchill@reddit
One of my favorite cars I’ve owned had a radio as the sole option.
I’ve converted power window cars to crank window cars and power seatbelt cars to manual seatbelt cars.
Then again, the cars I own are small enough that the driver can crank down any window in traffic.
Mnm0602@reddit
You could get that and no one did. Outside of the cheapest version of the cheapest model, no one bought those. Those were anchoring devices used by smart sales teams to offer a competitive price then sell people into something they really want.
The first time you reach across the car to roll down a window is the when you realize how stupid your decision was. These are 2 seaters so that’s not too bad and I’m sure someone will buy them but generally power windows exists the same reason automatic transmissions do: they’re better and customers voted with their wallets. US customers are as materialistic/showy than any on Earth and showing off your new EV with crank windows is a great way to signal that you’re not doing well and also not very smart.
jlt6666@reddit
Now that it's the only thing with crank windows it can be a quirky thing to have.
MajesticBread9147@reddit
And the reason that this isn't an option now is because you can buy a used car that doesn't have these issues today for less than this car did new adjusted for inflation.
Cheap cars don't exist because used cars will always be a better deal, so price sensitive consumers buy used. Literally look at any personal finance subreddit/ community/ book it's basically the monst uncontested thing that they say.
eastcoastflava13@reddit
I grew up in the era of having to reach across the car to crank the passenger side window up or down. It sucked then and it sucks now. Totally unnecessary, they can cut costs elsewhere.
Hustletron@reddit
Never miss a chance to dog on America here Reddit. I hope things are okay wherever you or the CPU you might reside on are at.
There have been options. They are less profitable. We don’t have the options that Chinese and other nations utilizing those parts have in place regarding labor exploitation, etc. We don’t have the subsidization or tolerance for breaking stuff (turnover for vehicles is higher in other markets).
Most of all OEMs have discovered that repairing stuff is profitable for them. (“dealers lose money on sales and make money on service and repairs”).
Mnm0602@reddit
My car is a MIUSA EV and they figured it out. I’m just commenting on how embarassing it is to have a company based on making trash products to hit a price because the US is so desperate for a price point that can’t exist.
jimbobzz9@reddit
Maybe the truck isn’t for you. That’s ok, you know that right?
stealthybutthole@reddit
in order for it to be a success it has to be "for you". Not some weirdo redditor who cant even afford to buy a $30k new vehicle.
jimbobzz9@reddit
Hey, just because you're on Reddit doesn't mean you're a weirdo. I'm sure you're a perfectly well-adjusted person, stealthybutthole, no need to talk down on yourself.
Now, about the truck... it's a low-range, two-door vehicle. Pretty obvious it's not going to be a great daily driver for everyone... And that's fine. What's wild to me is the sheer number of people who come out of the woodwork to trash a new company that's actually trying something different.
freakinidiotatwork@reddit
The difference in the price of the door isn't much, but between engineering, building & running harnesses, and additional quality checks, the difference is justifiable.
dacargo@reddit
I work for Honda and I’ve replaced a shitload of window regulators, even on new models. I’m not opposed to taking the motors that break out of the window mechanism if it makes the system more reliable.
Mnm0602@reddit
You’re telling me parts on cars break? I’m shocked.
wes7946@reddit
Did you say the same thing about Ferrari regarding their F40 or Lamborghini regarding the Temerario?
Mnm0602@reddit
Have no clue what you’re talking about 😂
Twombls@reddit
The f40 doesn't have opening windows to save weight. Therefore the slate is basically an f40
wes7946@reddit
The lack of power windows isn't the stigma you think it is, buddy.
Twombls@reddit
Theres a pretty big difference between a purpose built track car that gets 100 miles a year if you are lucky and something designed to be an every day runnabout / work vehicle
LastGoodKnee@reddit
These things are going to somehow be bare bones and still cost $45k
dogpoopfruitloops@reddit
These won't ever see production.
popsicle_of_meat@reddit
I really want these to succeed. I want there to be a huge customization market, both first and third party along with DIY (they're embracing 3d printing options). But, I feel you're right. Especially when they start for damn near the same money as a Ford Maverick. Being smaller and lower-powered electric don't help it.
danforhan@reddit
I'm sorry but installing power windows as DIY option is a nonstarter. Just completely unworkable at a price that would be deemed reasonable by an end user
popsicle_of_meat@reddit
Oh, do you know how much it will cost for the Slate? How much do you figure?
And have you seen how much money people spend on stupid shit for cars? Something actually useful would be even more appealing.
dogpoopfruitloops@reddit
I just don't see the value proposition. If you want a tiny truck with no features just buy a Kei truck. They're easy to get and cheap as hell, this thing is DOA.
popsicle_of_meat@reddit
That doesn't work for most in the US. The VAST majority won't consider a Kei truck. They're not new, you need to do a special import unless you find what you want locally, they're RHD, they're gas powered, and they're even smaller than the Slate.
I'm well aware of the Kei-car/truck/van market being a thing, and I wouldn't put them in the same category. I feel there IS a spot for this vehicle, but I don't think this one has 'the right stuff' to work.
Tricky-Ad7897@reddit
Nobody is buying a truck without power windows and AC no matter how much they virtue signal about being barebones and rugged utilitarians. You can buy any used truck from the last 20 years for half the price and get power windows and AC, genuinely what is the incentive.
Upbeat-Armadillo1756@reddit
The more these guys promise, the more this seems like vaporware. I was actually pretty excited for them a year or so ago. But it’s pretty obvious they aren’t going to follow through and even if they make it to production it won’t be the price they promised and won’t have the customizable options they promised.
Tiny-Art7074@reddit
Crazy. In China that exact truck would literally be under 15k.
LastGoodKnee@reddit
Slave labor ?
Tiny-Art7074@reddit
I don't think automotive assembly employees in China have it much different than most other countries. They just get paid less but the cost of living is lower in China, but they do get treated worse than in the US, no doubt. Their entire manufacturing supply chain and logistics is more effieicncy than in the US and electricity prices are, in some places, cheaper too, so all around its just cheaper to make stuff.
LastGoodKnee@reddit
Re read what you wrote about being treated poorly bro.
Tiny-Art7074@reddit
Getting a few less vacation days than US workers and not being able to unionize is not slave labor. The word "worse" is a relative term, you are assuming it implies something terrible, which is absurd.
margoo12@reddit
Why is everyone in this thread so needlessly negative?
tyrantelf@reddit
Personally because slate already lied about the price of the truck from the start and yanked it up when the EV credit expired. Any business pulling this type of slimy marketing doesn't deserve attention.
margoo12@reddit
Its still over 15% cheaper than the Maverick, even with the EV credit expired, and thats assuming you can even buy a base trim Maverick, which you can't. Ford suspended orders on them when they realized that people would rather have a bare bones truck than pay a premium for useless "features" that nobody wants.
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saarlac@reddit
its true
margoo12@reddit
You literally just made all of this up to be angry at nothing
saarlac@reddit
Copy pasted from another thread. I don’t makeup but someone else did. I still believe it’s probably close to what the real pricing will be. Also I’m pretty sure they had some pricing info on their site at first but removed it because it did sort of make the low cost truck like less appealing whe specced out in a reasonable way. I remember doing a build your truck thing ages ago and being surprised at the cost.
margoo12@reddit
I think they removed pricing after the EV tax credit expired. One of the draws of the truck is the DIY aspect of it. Unlike a normal vehicle, you aren't locked into the spec you purchased. You can always upgrade the package with additional parts later.
CasualRickRoll@reddit
Because we are over 20, have seen countless companies emerge with similar philosophies, collect millions in pre orders, and then fold/rug pull/ embezzle/cut and run
LastPatrol@reddit
They promised a cheap, bare bones functional truck and the last time I looked, it was nearly the cost of a ford maverick which isn’t compromising all these gimmicky options.
LastGoodKnee@reddit
Because these things will not be $25k and the company will be out of business three years after they are introduced
margoo12@reddit
Well, this seems needlessly negative and pessimistic. They are clearly designing everything around that price target. Why do you think it will fail?
Captain_Alaska@reddit
Probably because it's the least desirable spec of pickup truck but as a low range EV with little tow capacity with no standout features beyond the fact they removed stuff that people expect in a car to make it cheaper.
And once you add the stuff back that people actually want back in it probably won't even be cheaper either.
margoo12@reddit
It'll be the cheapest EV with a bed by a large margin, and roughly 5k cheaper than the next cheapest EV, the Nissan Leaf.
People want an affordable truck. Good luck actually finding a dealer willing to sell a Maverick for under 35k.
Captain_Alaska@reddit
People don't want cheap cars. They want cheap cars with the features and space they expect.
margoo12@reddit
People want cheap cars. Dealers don't sell cheap cars because they want more margin, not because people aren't willing to buy. The Maverick is a perfect example of that.
leedle1234@reddit
This entire subreddit is filled with this kind of contrarian negativity, people who seem to think they are better than normal car enthusiasts because unlike those who unabashedly love and long for interesting cool cars/features, they'd rather be a smartass about "the larger market" and "normal people's car tastes". It gets to a point it comes across as borderline corpo bootlicking.
AKADriver@reddit
The irony is those people see the greater car enthusiast community as one big circlejerk but don't see it in themselves. It's laughably predictable how fast the derisive replies come in when someone honestly expresses how much they like something about their favorite old car or don't like something about new cars.
Double irony is that the kind of person who earnestly posts something like "Does anyone else wish cars still had popup headlights?" is almost certainly not clued into the fact that for the Reddit r/cars cognoscenti this sort of thing is considered an utterly brown-diesel-manual-wagon circlejerk topic that they should be ashamed to ask.
Mnm0602@reddit
Idk, it’s possible to buy LFP for home at like $100/kwh, so 53 kWh would be $5.3k for the battery. Motors/bms/cooling/etc probably another $5k. If the can keep the rest of the car at $15k then you’re looking at $25k entry. I can’t see a 150 mile EV this barebones being successful any higher than that. Then you tack on $5k for the 84kwh version and everyone would probably prefer that….but then you’re creeping into Bolt/Versa territory. Idk.
jacob6875@reddit
Slates biggest problem is you can now buy a million 2-3 year old EVs with under 30k miles for 25k or less.
metengrinwi@reddit
Google says slate are using NMC battery. LFP would be heavy.
ReasonToGiveUp@reddit
The more slates PR team speaks about the truck or their company the less I trust them
NathenJee@reddit
And the crappy Plastic body panels is there calling card too.
BristleConeRanch@reddit
The biggest surprise I got when I started out the first few feet of test driving and Alfa Romeo 4C was that it did not have power steering.
Significant_Part_335@reddit
And mark me as a nope. I’m all for mechanical doors, real buttons and so on, but this is just silly.
black_flag_4ever@reddit
This thing is going to flop so hard. I don't even think the sucky interior is going to be the issue. It's that the range sucks and it's not hardy enough to handle serious construction work. This is not better than buying a 30 year old Toyota Pickup, which is cheap to work on cheaper to buy.
schultzM@reddit
Most people commute is like 40 miles daily in the US I think it can survive especially cuz you can customize the bed area.
stealthybutthole@reddit
a truck that can only tow 1000lbs is an instant no
asad137@reddit
People considering buying this aren't the kinds of people that do "serious construction work".
black_flag_4ever@reddit
I don't know who this is for.
It's as barebones as a fleet vehicle but without any of what a fleet truck needs to do.
It's not as nice as a used Ford Maverick Hybrid, which is probably cheaper and is a proven vehicle.
It's electric, but the range is less than a Nissan Leaf.
It's perplexing. Kind of feels like venture capitalist investment bullshit and not an actual car company.
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
Does anyone seriously want to open and close windows with a hand crank?
Slate's marketing department is working overtime to try and make something that is obviously a worse solution than the alternative look like something desirable.
GreenerDay@reddit
I actually genuinely like mine, but I understand I'm in the minority
ecefour@reddit
I like crank windows until I need to the passenger side window. It requires that i stop the car and lean over the center console. Annoying.
CrypticQuery@reddit
They pair best with a front bench seat.
avwitcher@reddit
But then you still have to take your seatbelt off
GreenerDay@reddit
Yep, that part's annoying and requires a bit of forethought. It's worse when I have the windows down and decide that I'm not actually in the mood to be assaulted by the wind but can't do anything about it 😆
tlivingd@reddit
They just fucking work. That’s the point of this truck.
Mumphord123@reddit
and so do power windows for the last 30 years with zero issues and way more convenience. It’s not 1950 anymore
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
Tbh I've had multiple issues with power windows either not working intermittently or failing full stop on every car I've owned or spent substantial time with, other than the Mazda. Built in 3 different countries, from 2 different manufacturers and decades, all have given me issues.
Cars that are 10-25 years old giving issues aren't what most manufacturers care about, and IMO the sacrifice isn't really worth it anyway (I'd rather have power windows working 80% of the time than manual wind-up windows working 100% of the time). But for a company who seems to be building their reputation on IT'S SO MINIMALIST AND RUGGED BRO, caring about how long they last fits within their brand identity.
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
Even Ineos is putting power windows in the Grenadier and that's being marketed as a rugged car for farmers and other off-roading utility that you can hose out to clean.
Even Toyota has given up on the manual crank windows on the latest LandCruiser 70 Series.
And for what it's worth, I've had crank windows jam before as well as the handle detaching. They have their own points of failure.
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
I can't comment on the Grenadier, but this was the same time they added an automatic and dropped the V8: the latest LC79 is trying very hard to not be a car from 1984. It still is, and doesn't do a very good job, and is still massively overpriced, but that entire refresh was about trying to make the car more modern and liveable. Slate wants the opposite effect, they want their brand new custom platform EV truck to feel "practical" and "rugged" and to have a culture of deliberately eschewing making the car more liveable. From a brand (not practicality) POV, adding them makes sense.
Oh they definitely do: I've not had that happen because I like power windows and don't usually consider a car without them, but they definitely can still break. I've seen enough videos from Haters Garage to know exactly how easily stuff like that shatters on old cars. My comment was only to say that power windows don't have "zero issues" and do tend to break down.
tpolakov1@reddit
A small electric actuator is functionally indestructible, and the rest of mechanics is the same. If cranks work, so do electric windows. And they are cheaper.
tlivingd@reddit
Is the wiring to support it cheaper? Less problem prone?
tpolakov1@reddit
The wiring is almost guaranteed to be cheaper. Bosh can produce millions every week for a wide market of almost every car, while a hand-operated window is basically a boutique part.
Wirings are not really the problem. They usually fail as the rest of car fails around them, at which point, the hand crank won't fare any better. The real pain point, which I'm sure even you remember from older cars, is the plastic gears and levers that wear out and those will stay even if you take the electrical out of the question.
WanganTunedKeiCar@reddit
Nah, I miss my 206 and its cranks. Yes contorting myself across the car to open/close other windows is annoying but idk, in the summer it makes me feel at home in the car haha
Also just being able to close the windows after turning the car off...
Competitive-Reach287@reddit
Call me a luddite, but I prefer the low tech, especially if it makes it cheaper. Wouldn't be a deal breaker, though.
DafTron@reddit
See I really struggle to call this cheap when it's nearly 30k without incentives. If those subsidies go away overnight it's over. 27k will get you a nice Corolla that has everything you'd wanna bolt onto the Slate already equipped. Sure it won't be a "truck" but it'll be a much better value proposition.
Tricky-Ad7897@reddit
You could walk out the door with last year's base RAV4 for 30k and that can do everything the slate does better. For the 3 times in the vehicles lifetime you'll ever actually need a truck bed you can just rent a trailer.
margoo12@reddit
Its nearly 30k without the incentives. With incentives it's under 25k
RedditPoster05@reddit
I bought my 1 year old frontier 4x4 for 28,500
03Void@reddit
It's an electric motor on a rail. An AM radio is more high tech than that.
Power windows aren't even close to be high tech.
davejugs01@reddit
We’re talking windows here not giant television media centres, it won’t have AC so when you’re driving you are limited to one window operation.
Drzhivago138@reddit
Not that I'm supporting cranks, but based on the width of the vehicle (70"), it would be easy for the average driver to reach across and open the other side.
davejugs01@reddit
While the vehicle is in motion though that’s my gripe.
Drzhivago138@reddit
True, it's not something that should be done while in motion, but it's not like that reason stops the average driver from being on their phone, applying makeup, eating, etc.
SirLoremIpsum@reddit
To me electric windows aren't low tech.
It's faux low tech.
It's deliberately taking things out of the build process that they know 100% of customers will get during the sale process and installing it at retail price.
Why install a feature by a robot when you can have customer pay retail + labor for?
I have had just as many electric window failures in my life as I had manual crank window failures on all my cars
Electric windows are not high Tech.
Much the same as AC was once a feature that needed to be added and is now standard. So I feel windows and mirrors are.
BlackDS@reddit
I'm enough of a weirdo to like it.
fiero-fire@reddit
I actually don't mind crank windows. I also love cheap old junk. That being said the fact this slates marketing department jerking themselves off about them is a bad sign
Car-face@reddit
I like cheap old junk, but that doesn't mean I want the new stuff I buy to feel like cheap old junk.
I think that's what's missed here by Slate - it's like they took a look at a reddit circlejerk and mistook nostalgic navel-gazing for actual product suggestions.
losteye_enthusiast@reddit
If it was for sure releasing sub 35k with usable range and decent build quality?
I wouldn’t mind rolling down my windows. It’s strictly be a “drive into the city and get groceries or do small chores” vehicle. I’d have loved the concept when I still worked - I used a 2-door civic as my work car for years because it was so cheap to maintain and didn’t matter if it got damaged.
Snoo93079@reddit
Does anyone seriously want to swap records when they can just play the music on spotify?
Yes, actually. The novelty of this vehicle being a more analogue experience will attract some people to it.
How many? We'll see. I'm happy seeing companies produce novel products and not a copy paste of what's already being done. And I think the comments here are an example of why everything feels homogeneous these days.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
As someone who has both a few TB of lossless FLACs and a fairly nice vinyl setup, I get it. But this relegates the Slate into third-or-fourth vehicle territory, and that's a rough market these days unless you're Porsche.
I could see these going the way of the Gladiator, in that they might do well for a bit until the 20K people who want them, have them. At that point Slate is dunzo because there's no other company subsidizing the project like with the Gladiator.
Drzhivago138@reddit
A whole bunch of billionaires are invested, but that doesn't mean they're willing to keep propping it up if it doesn't turn a profit within X years.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
If anything that seems more ominous lol
Salty-Dog-9398@reddit
The problem is that they literally need to sell a million of these for the company to survive
Snoo93079@reddit
I happen to think we should encourage risk taking instead of pouring money into stock buybacks.
itsnottommy@reddit
I think they know nobody wants hand crank windows.
It’s the same thing established automakers do, create an ultra-base trim level that nobody really wants just so they can advertise a lower starting price. Once your attention is piqued by “starting at only $XX,XXX” it’s easy for automakers to move you up the pricing ladder with trim levels and packages.
The main difference here is that Slate is only building these ultra-base models and having customers pay for upgrades after the fact.
nico_juro@reddit
I prefer manual windows. I'm shopping for an SW20 right now and no power windows is literally one of my criteria. So yes. Same for old trucks. No need to have extra electrical BS in a work truck.
mycounterpointers@reddit
I actually don't mind hand crank window on the driver side. Where it's awkward is on the passenger side if you're riding solo and can't open the passenger side window.
JARDIS@reddit
I would be fine with it, but I'm also the kind of guy that really wants a Subaru Brumby so that says a lot....
jimbobzz9@reddit
It’s not that I don’t want it’s that I don’t mind.
_OUCHMYPENIS_@reddit
I don't mind them. A bit less convenient than power windows because you have to reach across to close the passenger window but ultimately it's not a huge deal imo.
Though I don't know how much it's really saving. Wiring can't be that expensive and regulators are fairly cheap. Installing a crank window can't be that much cheaper.
NotoriousCFR@reddit
Not in real life, but there are definitely a few weirdos on this subreddit who simp for manual windows
MysticMarbles@reddit
I mean, it's brutally simple and requires no effort. I can only assume it would be even more buttery in a new vehicle.
If it wasn't for auto up/down, I'd prefer a crank.
Outlaw012Asterix@reddit
I perfer hand crank windows
thefanciestcat@reddit
They got too high on their own supply.
pyrolizard@reddit
This is awesome, assuming they're doing it for the right reasons (simplicity and cost). The PR statement makes me question that assumption.
Civil-Priority9234@reddit
Maybe unpopular opinion but I honestly don’t care about power vs crank windows. I just set me climate control to 70 year round and only open my windows once in a blue moon for a drive through or parking garage or whatever
pyrolizard@reddit
Hard to imagine a car with crank windows getting automatic climate control.
needmoresynths@reddit
It certainly sounds easier than playing the stupid game in which I try to crack my window but the auto open triggers and it goes down further than I want it to and end up hitting the button like 5 times to get the window perfectly cracked
stealthybutthole@reddit
ford auto window switches are 2 position. there's a half click that doesn't trigger the auto open. be gentle with it and it won't auto open.
breadwithcheese69@reddit
Every car I’ve ever driven has been like this
stealthybutthole@reddit
same, but I didn't want to say every car because I'm sure there's some manufacturer out there that cheaps out and does it with a single position switch and software
Kurt805@reddit
Same.
thetrivialsublime99@reddit
Fuck that
QLDZDR@reddit
Luckily there are conversion motor drive options in the local junkyards on 80s cars.
BunnehZnipr@reddit
Lmao no
dmbmthrfkr@reddit
Power window retrofit kits are a dime a dozen. They already mentioned it will be available as an option. What’s the fuss?
long_fish3000@reddit
my miata has crank, it sucks so much. the only case for it being good in the miata is that it's easy to reach the passenger side from the drivers seat and you can boast weight saving. i love old shit but power windows are worth the upgrade in every way
dmbmthrfkr@reddit
It’s not even hard to add a power window kit.
tujuggernaut@reddit
I recall someone doing a comparison on a 1.8l NA and it wasn't that much.
long_fish3000@reddit
but the miata method of achieving lightweight-ness is saving every gram you can
tujuggernaut@reddit
From what I remember the difference is around 5lbs lighter for cranks against the factory power windows. I believe there was an aftermarket power kit that was very close in weight.
You're not wrong, but you can always apply the same logic to your own body weight. I think most of us could probably lose 5lbs too.
Snowbunny-Conquerer@reddit
Not really considering the ND and NE (fiata) used heavier aluminum over plastic in some cases. The Savage geese documentary talks about how they wouldn't use plastic over aluminum because "it wouldn't be right for a sports car".
AKADriver@reddit
I never liked the power windows in my NB because I didn't like having to have the ignition on to raise or lower the windows while putting up or down the top. Sometimes I just wanted to run out to the car to put the top and windows up because it was going to rain and it's not like it was a massive problem but manual windows would have been slightly better.
My S13 doesn't have them and I don't miss them. Just like the Miata it's no real problem to reach over and roll down the passenger side from inside the car, because it's a narrow coupe. And both of them operate very smoothly.
Redey1290@reddit
Aw what! I loved the crank windows in my NA. Maybe it’s because I’m young and it was kind of before my era. I dunno.
long_fish3000@reddit
I'm also young compared to the average miata owner but and crank is also before my time. but i am nut not a fan.
FesteringNeonDistrac@reddit
The crank windows in my Sambar were great for confusing my kids.
SeanGonzo@reddit
I will say my '94 Miata power windows take forever to roll down, so there are days I would prefer hand crank.
long_fish3000@reddit
i also have incredible worn bushings in mine so on cold or cool days it takes serious muscle to roll them down
RedditPoster05@reddit
I think power locks are better. 8 don’t like crank windows but not being able to push a button to unlock drives me crazy
Azncheesy@reddit
That's what they are trying to make you do pay extra for the power window upgrade
long_fish3000@reddit
unless this is sub 22k, power windows should be standard
YellowFogLights@reddit
Yeah power windows and doors are so simple and inexpensive now. I don’t miss the days leaning way across the vehicle to open the passenger door.
DoomDash@reddit
I'm considering one.
varezhka11@reddit
If the cheapsters at Daihatsu and Suzuki felt it was more efficient to go with standard electric windows on their 20k USD (pre-incentives, post tax) e-Hijet Cargo/e-Every EV cargo vans, then I know who I'd trust more. If they really wanted to cut costs that much, might as well go full fixed windows.
And all these design choices made to allow for user customization will cost way more than this faux low cost crank windows. They probably should have commissioned an existing automaker with low cost car manufacturing experience to design these car for them.
csukoh78@reddit
Lol NO
Tiny-Art7074@reddit
They should fire their head of marketing and just make a cheap truck. Crank windows is not a branding opportunity. A "signal" of what it "means" to drive a cheap truck????? What the fuck are they talking about? It's a crank window, not a password for a secret cult.
real_fake_hoors@reddit
I will say I am surprised at the reaction to this. Over the many years I can’t put a number on how many times I’ve seen commenters bemoan automakers for including unnecessary things in the car that inflate the price or get in the way.
“Just give me ac and a manual! I don’t need all this extra crap!” I hear. Then the instant a company says they will have crank windows and I just can’t believe how many here are losing their shit.
I hate to sound judgmental but it feels like a lot of people don’t actually know what they want. What’s that line attributed to Henry Ford? “If I asked the customer what they wanted they would have said ‘faster horses’.”
willyolio@reddit
People expect that taking out all the crap would make a car significantly cheaper.
Turns out, it doesn't. It's bordering on the price of a Maverick. Adding back in a SINGLE option, like extended range battery or power windows, basically brings it to the price of a Maverick, while still lacking in every other way.
People want a stripper vehicle because it represents good value. The idea is not paying for what you don't want. But this thing... you're paying a normal budget vehicle price but just receiving far less than an entry-level vehicle gets.
hewkii2@reddit
It’s because those people ultimately want something cheap. They (at best ) are willing to put up with inconvenience if it means a lower sticker price.
No one is willing to pay $45k for an otherwise unremarkable car that is also inconvenient to use.
PlatinumElement@reddit
Ironically it’s often the people who can afford multiple pricier cars who are totally down with things like crank windows, because they don’t have to drive that particular car every given day. I love crank windows and would spec a Slate as such, but also have other cars to choose from.
DillyMan01@reddit
I think a lot of people are smart enough to question if this is even going to save money. Electric window mechanisms have to be one of the most mass produced parts available vs the relatively rare crank window mechanism. They aren't bemoaning the lack of heated seats, it's making a choice to an inferior option for incredibly minimal gains.
DameOClock@reddit
It’s gonna be a rude awakening when the vocal minority calling for barebones cars don’t bother to buy these new.
stealthybutthole@reddit
that's exactly what's gonna happen. Anyone with 2 brain cells will just buy a maverick..
LastPatrol@reddit
Exactly. I just checked, Slate is saying mid $20k’s, 2026 Ford Maverick, $29k. So, maybe save $4k for a worse vehicle with less options. Definitely a winning plan.
Simon676@reddit
And that's not including the fuel savings of course.
TPatS@reddit
The sort of people who preach online about wanting a low tech car with as little electrical mechanisms in it as possible are basically the same sort of people who would never get an EV to begin with.
GreaterMintopia@reddit
vaporware meme truck
rex8499@reddit
I've had a lot of small cars with crank windows, and it's fine for the drivers side, but I definitely prefer being able to roll down the passenger side without contorting myself to lean way over there.
The solution is clearly to have 2 crank handles on the driver's side. 😆
Zohar127@reddit
Maybe I'm crazy but this thing is missing what they claim their target market is by a mile. This will be bought by resellers and people with the money to spend who want a fun quirky toy. People who actually need an affordable vehicle will be buying older used cars for <$10k.
I think they know that, though. It's all just BS marketing coming out of them.
IsRedditEvenGud@reddit
Reminds me of the dick measuring contest on r/personalfinance arguing who makes the most money and drives the shittiest second-hand car.
SoyMurcielago@reddit
I hate that sub so much
I want to ask every single one of the adherents of that place if they have any joy in life at all besides bragging about how they min max their savings and finances
ohwell_______@reddit
“I make $500k a year and dug a trench in the field behind my office to save money on housing and eliminate the need for a car. I almost upgraded to a $50 Walmart tent to start living above ground, but the thought of not saving that money brought tears to my eyes. Any advice?”
hawkeyes007@reddit
Don’t you know the goal in life is to accumulate cash while living off rice and beans in a shit hole California apartment?
Asiatic_Static@reddit
I think it was /r/Frugal I had to stop reading when there was a post from a woman that does 0 climate control in her home, owned 1 towel, and basically lived off of rice and beans plus some various vitamin/dietary supplements. Someone in the comments pointed out that her home was under the average North American ground temperature - "your living conditions are thermally comparable to a literal hole in the dirt" was what made me close the tab.
SoyMurcielago@reddit
I thought that was r/fire?
hawkeyes007@reddit
Tbh they are all the same from r/povertyfinance to r/fatfire imo. It’s just pretentious larping
Twombls@reddit
The marketing department read a bunch of comments from people who will never buy a new car and decided to put those features in a new car.
hawkeyes007@reddit
Just buy a GENTLY used camry for free and you will be wealthy
WhalesharksAreSpotty@reddit
Landcruiser 70 series called, it wants its schtick back
Bassracerx@reddit
My biggest issue with slate is how bare bones they are. Like theres affordable and then theres “cheap” i have to pay extra for a radio? Excuse me? And then when you “option” for a radio and speakers you get the equivalent of a cheap Bluetooth speaker. Nah i’d rathe drive a 12 year old pickup truck.
DelanoJ@reddit
Electric car with manual windows there’s a joke in there somewhere
Tricky-Ad7897@reddit
The punchline is thinking this car will sell
DarkMatterM4@reddit
It's handy if you want to roll your windows down and the battery is dead. Will make it easier to push.
she_speaks_valyrian@reddit
Or escape in a accident.
yomamma_75@reddit
Well their door card will hold their calling card. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
theknyte@reddit
Well, it would greatly reduce the chance to get trapped in your car and burning to death in the battery fire when your electric door locks decide to stop working.
ZeroWashu@reddit
they may have saved a driveway's length of range with this move. Seriously though this is just some misguided attempt to generate more talk and likely to backfire.
I would love to see their post purchase option for power windows, as in how much has to be discarded from the manual version. There is just so much efficiency of scale with powered window systems this is a step backwards.
Drzhivago138@reddit
My guess is they would replace the crank itself with a low-profile motor/actuator, effectively adding more parts and complexity than they would by just making normal electric windows standard.
DelanoJ@reddit
Hear me out. They connect the window cranks to the battery like an emergency flashlight and YOU power the car
chlronald@reddit
Slate dick around for too long imo. If they have released it 1 year ago it would have been a good time and get good market share. Now the hype has die down, China EV is closer than ever, overall EV selling price is trending downward which take away slate only advantage.
profmathers@reddit
I wish they’d just give me a bed that would haul a 4x8
Drzhivago138@reddit
It'll probably haul it over the wheel wells with the gate down, same as any other small pickup.
profmathers@reddit
Bed’s too short, 4’ of it would hang out the back.
Drzhivago138@reddit
Slate says the bed is 5' at the floor, 6.5' with the gate down, 42" at the wheel wells.
profmathers@reddit
I’ve owned a few of those. The 42” is actually a bigger issue. Our Odyssey will carry stacked 4x8 with the hatch closed but it fits so close that it’s very difficult not to scuff everything inside loading and unloading.
Captain_Pink_Pants@reddit
Great... artisanal window openers... in an electric car. 🙄
leeta0028@reddit
Crank windows are both more expensive and heavier than electronic.
This kind of meme advertising that's obvious bad engineering is why I believe the Slate will never come to market as advertised.
Yummy_Castoreum@reddit
It's so dumb. It's literally cheaper to just do power windows now. It's supposed to appeal to the I JUST WANT A BASIC LITTLE TRUCK luddites, but they always follow that up by saying WITH A 4-CYLINDER ENGINE, on every single Slate post on social media ever.
wu-dai_clan2@reddit
It's Brazilian.
vhalember@reddit
Crank windows. smh
My FIL would love that. The only options he wants are cruise control and AC.... except those aren't options, they've been standard for 30+ years.
So that's a big part of your audience - people who don't want new technology. But this is an EV, so there's a big mismatch here.
So it's all going to come down to price. Price can drive adoption, or drive it away.
4R4nd0mR3dd1t0r@reddit
Funny thing within the last 5 years you could and maybe still can get a Jeep Wrangler without power locks or A/C. Also the Chevy Colorado cruise control was optional even though it has everything to have it. You will basically never see these trims unless someone custom orders it this way but apparently it's still not standard.
vhalember@reddit
No kidding?!
I knew the Nissan Sentra several back could be gotten without a stereo, and my FIL's 2016 Silverado has crank windows... Which is what he wanted...
In case he ever drove into a retention pond. Wish I was kidding.
bebopblues@reddit
Slate motto: Need to roll down the passenger or rear windows? No can do.
Bosfordjd@reddit
The problem will be this ultimately will not truly be affordable when it comes to market. If I could get the extended range for 25k out the door, I'd buy one in a second, especially if I could convert to SUV for another 3-3.5k as needed.
Unfortunately what's gonna happen is the base is gonna be 28k-29k out the door and closer to 35k for the SUV version. Once it goes public and stock gets involved it will completely lose focus.
This is the most comprehensive coverage of the slate I've seen thus far. I like almost everything about it. It's just gonna end up like the ford maverick, $19,995 original msrp...but now you can't get one under 30k hardly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv0wC_ffAHU
K2TheM@reddit
The Price IS a kicker more than the windows for me. The Maverick was a good, even GREAT, buy at 20K for the base model (FWD, Hybrid, Steel Wheels...). Sign me the fuck up, but I missed the financial window at that time to pull the trigger. Even at 22K, it was still ok. Now that they are 27K+ (even USED).... it's lost the magic. I feel the same way about Slate. It IS the vehicle I want. Small truck for suburban living and commuting. Electric so I don't have to keep gas in it or change most fluids and can charge at home. Sounds fucking nice. However, at their estimated Mid 20's price now (without incentives... which probably means 27K if I'm honest) it's also lost a bit of the magic.
thefanciestcat@reddit
They've been on reddit too much.
This performative austerity is starting to cross over into getting less for your money. This thing is like $10,000 more than the hand crank window price point.
willyolio@reddit
You generally don't want your calling card to be "you paid how much for fucking crank windows? In 2027?"
There's actually a really good reason even the cheapest new cars on the market, like the Nissan Versa, leave a few things in. Like power windows. Well, 2 reasons, actually.
Most people actually want them. Like 95%.
The cost-to-value ratio is high. Maybe it costs the manufacturer an extra $20 to include power windows. But to the customer, power windows are worth far more than a $20 convenience. Many people would pay, say, $500 extra for that.
When it comes to cheap cars, you NEED to have value. When people don't have much money to spend, they are looking to stretch their dollar as far as it will go. This, I think, is why Slate will fail.
So maybe Slate saved $20 by installing crank windows. But saving $20 sure doesn't mean they can lower the price by $500. So anyone looking at a $27,500 truck will look at everything else on the market in that price bracket and find it severely lacking.
Same with the 2-door, 2-seater format. People on a tight budget want a car that can do everything, because they can only afford one car. That sure as hell won't be the Slate.
Long story short, who is the Slate targeting?
People who don't want to pay $30k for a Ford Maverick, but mid-$20k is ok.
People who want a cheap car, but don't want used.
People who only need the car for a few specific tasks - they almost certainly own another car for other things, such as long distance travel or driving more than 1 passenger.
As per above, people who have parking space for 2 cars, and yet the Maverick is still too big/expensive, or they absolutely want a short-range EV.
Space/size is NOT the most important requirement, as the Telo is also upcoming truck at a higher price and even smaller size. But then again, cheap is also likely not the most important requirement, or else the used market is widely available.
And those 5 points aren't separate target markets. It's one target market that meets ALL 5 requirements. I think it's a set of requirements that kind of cancels itself out. Slate might get some emotional purchases but I think it makes very little sense logically.
Something like the Telo, IMO, serves a niche market but makes logical sense: You want maximum vehicle capability in minimum parking space. It's expensive, but literally no other vehicle can possibly do what it does.
Whereas the Slate... well, it's not especially good at anything. Not even being cheap (there are other used and new vehicles that are cheaper). It's good at seeming cheap (i.e. crank windows) but that's not exactly a selling point.
redsoxfan1845245@reddit
They should have electric windows but the button is an old school crank that pushes up or down
mehojiman@reddit
Gonna cost them more to make crank windows than pull existing materials and parts off a shelf. Cute.
phr3dly@reddit
This is what confuses me. I'm not an IOE or anything, but there's a reason that you can buy a car for about the same price as a nice bicycle, and it's because volume manufacturing making things much, much, much cheaper. I have a hard time believing that they can, in low volume, manufacture a mechanical window roller for less money than a auto unit that is manufactured in the hundreds of millions.
margoo12@reddit
Is everyone on this sub as stupid as you?
XGC75@reddit
Yes. /R/cars will complain endlessly about the cost of cars, then with absolutely no understanding of the business, shoot down the things that make it too expensive
lumpialarry@reddit
Funny how before this truck was announced /r/cars would circlejerk itself to death over the idea of a simple, compact, single-cab pickup wind-wind up windows and now their mad. Turns out they really just wanted a brand new pick up for $11,000 like its 1994.
k0fi96@reddit
If that was the case they would not be doing this. They know they can't hit the price point with automatic windows. Now they are putting a marketing spin on crank windows
Drzhivago138@reddit
How much more do power windows cost, honestly?
XGC75@reddit
If you don't have power to the doors already, a hundred in BOM: harnessing ($10 cabling, $5 connectors), controller will be $20, switchgear $15, multiply by # of doors. X4 to the end consumer for break-even EOP and it's +$400 to the end consumer.
A crank can be literally cents with appropriate up-front investment.
margoo12@reddit
It wont.
stuser@reddit
Unsure why it needs to be a calling card. BUT ok. Let’s do crank window again. I’m good with it.
Fordfanatic2025@reddit
I'll be honest, I think Slate is something that has kinda lost its appeal. Like I get wanting a basic truck, and I really like the customizations you offer, I hope that other brands use that to inspire their own models more heavily.
But I would just feel like a sucker paying close to 30k for a vehicle with wind up windows and no radio. Like it's almost insulting. I also believe the 30k electric maverick or ranchero is gonna make this thing DOA. Pretty similar price, but it was h Better range, a cab pass through, more doors, a much nicer interior, its own accessories and mod options, and it's as fast as a mustang Ecoboost, so it's fun to drive.
I just genuinely don't see how slate competes against that.
Drzhivago138@reddit
There's no guarantee that Ford's "30K mid-size" will have a pass-through, though I certainly hope it does.
Fordfanatic2025@reddit
Talking to people who work for Ford and are familiar with the truck, it does. Their reports vary. I saw one person claim the whole thing opens up, and another claim the back glass is fixed and just the bulkhead folds down.
Drzhivago138@reddit
The former option would be cooler, but the latter is more realistic since it addresses the NVH issues of a full folding midgate.
Fordfanatic2025@reddit
https://fordauthority.com/2025/10/future-ford-ev-pickups-may-get-bed-to-cab-pass-through-capability/
Here's the patent I'm referring to.
Fordfanatic2025@reddit
The patent images seem to imply it'll be a full pass through kinda deal.
dedboooo0@reddit
slate is dead on arrival
m0viestar@reddit
Can't wait for Reddit to bitch about how they have to crank the windows down.
JohnDoee94@reddit
For as basic as this thing is I was hoping it would be under 20k, I’d see the appeal. But it says STARTING at 25k which means by the time it’s actually here it’ll be 30k and have no speakers or power windows and 150mi range.
Why not buy a ford maverick for less and way more amenities ?
I want these guys to succeed but they don’t seem to be appealing to anyone.
TheeBattousai@reddit
They lost me at no speakers and radio . This did make me thing that now with electric motors can't we just build our own cars?
ukemike1@reddit
I'm not gonna buy a bezos-truck anymore than I'm gonna buy a musk-truck.
Drzhivago138@reddit
Bezos is a lot less involved in the production of the Slate than Musk with Tesla. He's one investor on a board of a dozen or more.
TheDirtDude117@reddit
Crank windows are fine in a $15k NEW Mitsubishi Mirage or Nissan Versa
The second it says $2x,xxx it's not okay.
Jeep had the excuse of "well our customers will buy anything and it makes taking the doors off easier"
Slate will be such an interesting flop, but man a Kei Truck or EV version in the US sub $15k new would be great. Competing with a $8k used Acty that gets 44mpg and has a DUMP bed that uses snow mobile parts is pretty hard no matter how you look at it.
They're only way of beating the competition is lobbying them to be banned.
ZeGermanHam@reddit
I think slate is vastly overestimating what the average consumer will want. Yes, many people want less tech and less overall cost, but only a fraction of a percent of the buying public will consider a vehicle without electric windows, radio, etc.
andyr072@reddit
Power windows and locks and mirrors definitely should be an option package.
WheelWhiffCelly@reddit
This could’ve been an Onion headline
stulogic@reddit
Hand crank? Can we have old fashioned quarter light windows too?
Fuck it, knock another few grand off and ship it in a crate for field assembly Willy’s style.
Unfriendly_Giraffe@reddit
Chinese luxury vehicles will be cheaper and have a ton of amenities. This is a joke.
nicknack171@reddit
I really hope Slate can exist and succeed. I was very excited at the idea of a little run around town electric beater truck for $20k. Now that the $7,500 tax incentive is gone its viability for me has definitely shrunk.
Rillist@reddit
My 2011 F150 stx has crank windows. It's actually a grey paint code too.
Honestly havent driven or owned... or for that matter even seen a modern vehicle with crank windows. Its a fun novelty but I'm constantly looking at marketplace for xlt door cards.
irish_faithful@reddit
Love it. Make it as simple as possible.
Musketeer00@reddit
These crank windows seem like the opposite of the fake leather and wood trim you'd see in cheap cars to make them seem classy. They aren't saving the consumer or manufacturer money, but they want to trick you into thinking crank windows = fewer computers and electronic nonsense.... in an electric vehicle.
lilleulv@reddit
That’s one step too far for me.
Rynowash@reddit
Make a truck. Zero screens. Normal things like ac and cruise, 5 speed or auto option. Put an inline whatever in it ( 4.0) . Sell it new for 30-35k Dominate the car market.
Drzhivago138@reddit
/r/carscirclejerk
_Unusual_Flatworm_@reddit
It would be nice if that starting price at the very least gave us, oh I dunno… the modern conveniences given to those buying a Ford Maverick Hybrid…? The US EV market is a joke.
costafilh0@reddit
I believe they should make everything optional.
The problem is, the more options you add, the more expensive it is to build, because it adds complexity.
That's why the Slate is barebones and the options are installed at dealerships.
I don't know if they will be able to get away with this.
Time will tell.
Amaxter@reddit
I like some of what Slate is doing and in a world where their cars are actually under $20k and competition doesn’t exist they’d dominate..
But ford is going to be selling a mid size EV pickup in two years with power windows, a radio, and good specs for $35,000. That’s going to make the Slate look inadequate.
stealthybutthole@reddit
ford is already selling the maverick for 30k which is gonna be what the slate is gonna cost. this shit is so DOA it's not even funny
Nintendo1964@reddit
There are some truly petty and lazy people here. I commend them for just doing something different, and not just copy/paste the same trending bullshit. If this (plus more) is what they want to have them stand out, it's already working.
stealthybutthole@reddit
stand out? negatively sure.
actually sell units? lol no.
OldRed91@reddit
Reddit: "We want affordable cars" Car company: "We want to make affordable cars" Reddit: "No, not like that"
stealthybutthole@reddit
yeah bro sorry nobody wants a $30k truck that can only tow 1000lbs and gets less than 200 miles range and has no radio and crank windows.
IAmTurdFerguson@reddit
A mechanical crank is at best nominally cheaper than a little motor. This is performative.
t-poke@reddit
TBH, probably more expensive since they now have to design and manufacture bespoke components for crank windows rather than using off the shelf power window components.
Pardon the pun, but there aren't exactly companies cranking out crank window mechanisms.
There's a reason the cheapest trims of the cheapest cars still have power windows. It's just cheaper due to economies of scale.
Twombls@reddit
Its still going to be 35k+ and come without speakers and power windows. Its purely performative to try and attract "omg im so quirky" r/cars commentors that wouldn't buy a new car anyway.
grogudid911@reddit
The crank windows aren't even why these trucks are inexpensive! They're inexpensive because of the plastic body panels.
Give us a power window option. I don't wanna reach across the car to roll down a window and neither does anyone else
CrypticQuery@reddit
I love it. I adore manual windows and I especially love not having to hunt down and swap window regulators when the power ones break a decade from now. Everyone comparing the value of these compared to the Maverick is missing the point - the customer for a Slate generally isn't cross-shopping with Maverick due to the latter's complexity and default feature set.
Mojave_Idiot@reddit
I feel like I said this shit when this was announced.
It’s performative austerity.
They’re just trying to pitch it as a good thing.
stealthybutthole@reddit
it's a vehicle designed by reading reddit comments made by redditors who will never purchase a brand new car in their entire lives.
InDaRed@reddit
I'll take roll down windows over the steering wheel turn signals in new Teslas anytime!
aggreeswithassholes@reddit
Honestly, I think Slate is on to something...
Electric cars have too many downsides as a daily driver. But it's the perfect 2nd car. Most people get a small truck or a sporty car as their second vehicle. A small electric truck can do both.
overmonk@reddit
I still want one.
HtownClassic@reddit
My first two vehicles had manual everything including choke
ButtfuckerTim@reddit
If Jeff had balls, the Slate truck would have the hinged cigarette windows. Rolling windows are shameful and excessive. The windows in my house don’t need to roll down, why would I need the windows in my car to?
Drzhivago138@reddit
Go the 2CV route with flip-up windows.
m-alacasse@reddit
These will never see production
TripleShotPls@reddit
Truly wonder how many general consumers are going to be down with crank windows in the year 2026.
travortz@reddit
Enshitification at it's finest.
Drzhivago138@reddit
*Its
And I wouldn't call this enshittification because as you can tell, opinion is divided on whether it's a good or bad thing.
sprockets22@reddit
Slate has a good idea with it being analog af. 8’ here for it. Now it needs to make it 4x4, a 4cyl, and 6 speed standard transmission. Make it pass whatever crash test it needs and keep it raw.
Everyone could use it. Right now electric only is difficult. All the plugs in LA around me the homeless keep stripping for copper. Most go to Tesla lots that have security.
DillyMan01@reddit
Why not just buy a used tacoma or ranger?
sprockets22@reddit
They want 40k for those.
Drzhivago138@reddit
A search for Tacomas near me turns up a first-gen (compact) regular cab base trim with crank windows for under $9500. Granted, it's got 278K.
sprockets22@reddit
Fuck out of here with 200k mile FBM trash 😂
Drzhivago138@reddit
What's FBM?
DillyMan01@reddit
A used ranger is 40k? You could get the best example mid 2000s ranger in the country for 10k. No way you think a brand new pickup truck is going to be cheaper than a used small pickup
Drzhivago138@reddit
That would actually increase its complexity and decrease its efficiency when hooked up to an electric motor.
NuBlyatTovarish@reddit
Cars like this truly make no sense to me when used cars exist
runway31@reddit
Lol I like crank windows, im fine with this
iroll20s@reddit
This is dumb, especially when it will has power locks. The cost savings, if any, will be minimal. If they scrapped the electric locks, they could at least scrap whole door wiring harnesses and control module. That would make a little sense on a vehicle designed with removable doors like a jeep.
XBL_CNC@reddit
I live in the city these are being made, they are just now hiring for regular production on these. I wish I would have went to the tour of the building when they had it
RoyalSpectrum91@reddit
I rather they promote reliability than crank windows.
Electronic_Trade_721@reddit
Crank windows are generally very reliable.
Competitive-Reach287@reddit
I think a lot of people just want a brand new 1985 Toyota pickup but with the option of Carplay (and maybe an electric motor). Seems Slate is trying to tap into this.
Electronic_Trade_721@reddit
If only it looked like an '80s Toyota, instead of looking like a new Bronco that looks like a scaled-up plastic toy.
theSurpuppa@reddit
I'm genuinely confused, how often do people roll up or down their windows? I haven't touched it in years
t-poke@reddit
For some people it's every day if they need to tap an access card to get into a work parking garage.
Or sometimes it's just nice outside and you want to roll down the windows.
theSurpuppa@reddit
Yeah that makes sense. I don't need to tap an access card and dislike the wind noise when lowering the window, but maybe I'm just in the minority
k0fi96@reddit
I want this car to succeed, but it seems like it is going to be proof that if your build car based on what internet forum users say they want you'll get a shitty car.
XxRoyalxTigerxX@reddit
I’m pretty sure the maverick removed the crank windows because literally no one wants that
Beyblade_Badboy@reddit
I bought a hybrid mid trim maverick with options and 10k miles for $26,000.
I get 560 miles a tank and it would be fiscally irresponsible to ever buy one of these for less than $19,000
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
I mean, I'm sure they've done their market research, but as someone who's fairly weird I don't know who they're finding that even fits into a weirder niche like this.
metengrinwi@reddit
Crank windows are 100% fine on a car with only 2 windows.
xXNodensXx@reddit
Next, they will be putting a hand-crank starter at the front like the Model T.
t-poke@reddit
Don't be silly. It's an EV.
You'll have to crawl under the car and manually close the contactor.
Watch out for the high voltage.
xXNodensXx@reddit
I imagine you could figure out a way to make it a hand crank and stick it on the front. Who knows, maybe the technology just isn't there yet. :D
shoethemaker@reddit
We have a 2012 tacoma with crank windows in the family. Honestly it sucks.
IMA_5-STAR_MAN@reddit
"we want to keep it as cheap as possible."
"Msrp 28000."
No thanks, I'm good.
hmkr@reddit
What a delusional company. Everyone that lived in the era of crank windows know automatic windows is one thing we all appreciate.
BC999R@reddit
When our kids were growing up our family car had rollup windows. We sold it over 20 years ago. Even then almost none of their friends, even aged 10-12 years old, had any idea how to open the windows. It was also a manual transmission and while that actually was less unusual, I got a comment once from a colleague from Asia: “I didn’t think Americans knew how to drive manuals”.
Drzhivago138@reddit
A kid's first instinct when put into a new car ("new" as in a novel environment, not necessarily a brand-new vehicle) is to fiddle with everything. "Stop touching that! Don't play with that!" Didn't we all learn not to touch the cigarette lighter only after almost burning a finger?
Bobodehclown@reddit
I canceled that Slate reservation so fast when the $7500 tax credit was killed. Ended up buying a low mileage 2002 Tacoma 5 speed 2.7L rust-free for $16k...should last me forever.
CryptoCrash87@reddit
Honestly I would not care. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've rolled my window down in 12 months months.
6 times. I can crank a window 6 times.
pridetwo@reddit
You have 6 fingers?
Drzhivago138@reddit
Some people count on knuckles. Apparently that's how we developed base-12 counting: on the 3 knuckles of the 4 fingers, using the thumb as the pointer.
pridetwo@reddit
Nah, he confirmed his right hand has 6 fingers. And literally no one means "using my knuckles for base-12" when using the phrase "can count on one hand"
Drzhivago138@reddit
FWIW I'm not defending the guy, only sharing a bit of knowledge I learned years ago.
pridetwo@reddit
Cool story Hansel
Drzhivago138@reddit
Is that a reference to something?
pridetwo@reddit
Yeah its from Zoolander
CryptoCrash87@reddit
On my right hand. Yes.
pridetwo@reddit
Thats pretty cool
dcormier@reddit
I just wish the thing could feed power back out. A requirement for any electric car I'd even consider.
Xyrexenex@reddit
How it feels comparing slate to inexpensive Chinese EVs
GooseySill@reddit
Well hell, my still running great 2005 Ford F-150 XL (4.6L 2 valve) 4x4 has those. Ha ha!
Cpt_Kneegrow@reddit
Electric car with crank windows is peak out-of-touchism
arxief@reddit
I swear people who fantasize about crank windows never really used them, once it's falls out of the track it's never the same again.
I get it simpler times and such, but just remove the massive tablets that control the entire HVAC system. Remove all the driver nannies except say ABS and TCS and call it a day.
daxelkurtz@reddit
The base truck has a range of 150mi, unladen, on road tires. For $28,000 I'm not cranking my own windows. For $28,000 those windows better crank me.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
At this point, I honestly feel bad about how hard this is going to flop.
argent_pixel@reddit
"We want the poors to properly feel poor while we extract value" - say the parasites.
xselimbradleyx@reddit
I don’t mind hand crank windows. Less stuff to go wrong. However, they lost me at the whole “use a Bluetooth speaker” instead of a proper stereo bit.
tlivingd@reddit
If they scale this no it’s cheaper to not have power motors. Have you seen a manual crank window operator? It’s stamped steel.
Shit they won’t have any electrical in the doors if they keep this up. And if they did it would be for the power lock assuming that’s available
Remember the radio option is a removable bluetooth thing that mounts on the dash.
timschwartz@reddit
Pass.
00Sixty7@reddit
Not actively trying to go to bat for these guys, but I've owned plenty of cars with crank windows and driven probably a hundred more, and I can't think of a situation I've ever seen one go bad outside the handle itself wearing out. Is it a little more awkward, especially for the passenger side? Yeah. But it'll also probably last for as long as the car does. Less wiring, fewer motors, less stuff to break. Simple is good. I get it.
tourdeforcemajeure@reddit
Yup. And easier to troubleshoot and fix.
daphatty@reddit
Crank windows will be the first thing I’d replace. Not because I’m bougie. Because I’m GenX and I remember how hard to open crank windows could become.
CTMechE@reddit
I don't wish them any ill will, but this ethos just makes it less interesting to me. They have a lot of great ideas, and I still don't want a pickup (and the conversion kit is a compromised design I don't want either). But at some point it's just too basic to spend that kind of money on.
I started driving with crank windows. Got my own car with power everything, then got married to someone with a Saturn, and going back to crank windows just sucked. I guess a 2-door is less inconvenient, but I bet the novelty wears off fast.
Sadly, I think there will be a bunch of initial sales for Slate before interest falls off a cliff and they fold.
beardedbast3rd@reddit
The time they spent having a guy design the linkage, and then post this, cost more than just having a linear actuator, or single gear motor in the door panel.
These things are trivial today and don’t contribute to cost.
There’s a difference between being inexpensive, and being cheap. And cranks aren’t even that.
Also, I really don’t think people understand how fuck awful hand crank windows are, especially in a vehicle with a backseat/windows
zoo32@reddit
I remember crank windows. They sucked.
Fafoah@reddit
This to me is basically just, “we are trying to appeal to the americana hipsters who would probably slobber over a casette player option if we put it in”
IAmTurdFerguson@reddit
I drove a car with crank windows "back in the day" and they're annoying as shit if you like to drive with windows down. Lemme just get out of the car real quick to lower my passenger window...
Emotional_Signal7883@reddit
Within a week people would be selling rechargeable window motors that clip on the the shaft under the crank.
opeth10657@reddit
Crank windows suck balls
They were an instant no for me 25 years ago.
B-Diddy@reddit
My SRT4 has crank windows in the back. The few people in the community that have converted to power windows say the power setup is slightly lighter than what they took out.
Maybe crank is slightly cheaper, but I'm guessing the difference is very small.
EasyE1979@reddit
That's a cool story, I just want to see if the can actualy make it at the price they advertise.
markh2111@reddit
Seems like a funny hill to die on.
mustangfan12@reddit
They're not a serious car company
DarthJezza@reddit
Excuse for larger margins.