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seklas1@reddit

Bandwidth limitations. USB-C generally needs to be atleast 10Gbps to be of any use at all for a computer. USB 2.0 has maximum data transfers of 480Mbps, so you could fit 20x USB 2.0 for 1x10Gbps USB-C port.

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Stingray88@reddit

I would gladly take a bunch of USB C 2.0 ports on my computer and move away from USB A.

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seklas1@reddit

But your mouse/keyboard etc likely still have USB-A connectors. So you’d have to get dongles for them or replace peripherals etc. I mean, I don’t care, It’s a connector, shape doesn’t make much difference to me when the performance will be identical

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Stingray88@reddit

But your mouse/keyboard etc likely still have USB-A connectors.

They’re not actually. They’re USB C.

So you’d have to get dongles for them or replace peripherals etc.

And so what? We’re just going to sit with both USB A and C forever? At some point we should just move on. Having one single port standard is great.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

I am quite happy to stick with A forever for anything that doesn't need C, considering outside of those very situational cases it's an objectively better standard in the vast majority of situations. Frankly, I'd rather have the PCIE lanes for shit to put on the board.

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Stingray88@reddit

USB C is objectively better than A for several reasons.

Also, USB C doesn’t take up PCIe lanes. Don’t confuse he port for the USB 3 or 4 that could take up bandwidth elsewhere. USB C can be USB 2.0.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

USB C is objectively better than A for several reasons.

In every way except the metrics that matter for day to day usage.

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Stingray88@reddit

Not even talking about bandwidth. Talking about just ports. A vs C alone. C is better.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

It's smaller, harder to find and easier to damage and very little that you plug into a PC or similar device can even use that speed, even before the price tag

Either come up with a ruggedized and preferably cheaper version of C or make DX07 USB C a standard feature on PC motherboards and we might talk.

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Stingray88@reddit

Smaller is a good thing, takes up less space. It’s easier to plug in, not harder. And it’s really not as fragile as you’re making it out to be. Less robust than A? Sure. Fragile? No. The price difference is negligible.

My USB flash drives are type C. My mouse and keyboard don’t need it, but I strongly, strongly prefer it for the reasons I’ve stated several times. My microphone plugs in XLR to my audio interface, which is type C. My webcam is also type C.

My phone never transfers data over a cable at all, and hasn’t in like 15 years. That’s what WiFi is for. But again… you’re so focused on bandwidth, and I’ve already said multiple times it’s not about that. I don’t prefer USB C for the bandwidth, I prefer it for the objectively superior port.

The vast majority of people don’t need more rugged or cheaper USB C. It’s already rugged enough, and cheap enough.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

If you're on a mobo or phone yes. Not so much if you're fishing about the back of something or if it needs to be regularly disconnected. And fuck farting about with Wifi to move shit onto my desktop when I can just plug it in, have the job done within 15 minutes and be charging in the bargain.

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Stingray88@reddit

If you're on a mobo or phone yes. Not so much if you're fishing about the back of something or if it needs to be regularly disconnected.

USB C is infinitely easier to plug in behind something than A is. It’s not even close. The fact that it’s reversible makes this not even a conversation.

And fuck farting about with Wifi to move shit onto my desktop when I can just plug it in, have the job done within 15 minutes and be charging in the bargain. Fuck Wifi in general for anything but phones, as far as I'm concerned it's the fallback for when I don't have an Ethernet cable to plug into my desktop.

The funny thing is, in the last 15 years, the number of times I’ve had to transfer photos and videos from my phone is… zero.

I just take photos and videos all day long, and when I get home to my computer, they’re already all there. iCloud moved them to my computer already while I was out and about. And from there they’re already backing up on my NAS too.

So while you’re waiting 15 minutes for a transfer to finish via a cable, mine were already transferred before I got home.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

I will never use a cloud I don't own, fuck that inane nonsense. And I refuse to be forced to walk my devices through an idiotic mating dance when I can just hook up a chunk of copper, and enter my password to to let my PC cut and paste files from my phone onto my hard drive, like we've done for the last 30 years of devices since GUIs became a standard MS feature.

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Stingray88@reddit

I will never use a cloud I don't own, fuck that inane nonsense.

K.

And I refuse to be forced to walk my devices through an idiotic mating dance when I can just hook up a chunk of copper, and enter my password to to let my PC cut and paste files from my phone onto my hard drive, like we've done for the last 30 years of devices since GUIs became a standard MS feature.

lol what?

Mating dance? Dude what are you even talking about?

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

Making my phone talk to PC over wifi, which both have always been deeply reluctant to go along with.

So I will use a USB cable with a USB C end to connect to my phone, enter the password to log into my phone and then enter the password to my phone again to give my PC access to my phone's data storage like it's any other device, after which I use the standard windows cut and paste command to move my shit onto my platters like we've done since Windows was a thing, after which I let my phone charge off my PC's PSU which is probably more efficient then the charger that came with it.

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Stingray88@reddit

Making my phone talk to PC over wifi, which both have always been deeply reluctant to go along with.

This just isn’t remotely an issue in 2026. Like at all. There’s like a million different ways to accomplish this task, and it’s very very easy.

So I will use a USB cable with a USB C end to connect to my phone, enter the password to log into my phone and then enter the password to my phone again to give my PC access to my phone's data storage like it's any other device, after which I use the standard windows cut and paste command to move my shit onto my platters like we've done since Windows was a thing, after which I let my phone charge off my PC's PSU which is probably more efficient then the charger that came with it.

Right. But if you just had an automatic sync setup, something like Immich, OwnCloud, NextCloud, all self hosted solutions… all your data from your phone could be already on your computer or NAS before you even sit down.

Because both are physical devices I share space with and I refuse to spend my most precious time making the stupid things talk to each other by radio when I can get a good USB cable for a song for both data and charging.

Brother you need to get with the times.

You’re acting as if it’s the dawn of WiFi here. We’ve come a long way in 25 years.

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jenny_905@reddit

So add them, it's a PC and you have expansion slots.

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Stingray88@reddit

That’s missing the point, I don’t want to have to do that.

Of course there are loads of options, PCIe cards, simple adapters, docks/switches, etc. the point is not that we don’t have options, the point is that we’d simply line to have more USB C by default.

When USB C first came out of course it made sense that motherboards had tons of USB A and few USB C. But it’s been over a decade now and I’d like to see motherboards shift to tons of USB C and few USB A. That’s all.

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Aztaloth@reddit

You are co fusing the connector type standard with the speed standard. USB type C can be usb 2.0 through current USB4 speeds.

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FalconX88@reddit

It can have USB2.0 speeds, but most devices that come with USB-C connectors/cables for data transfer can do much more and might even require it.

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seklas1@reddit

I’m not. I know you can have USB 2.0 standard on USB-C connector, but what’s the point of it? What benefit would a 480Mbps USB Type C connector at the BACK of the case offer? Pretty much all desktop peripherals are generally still USB-A with USB 2.0 standard.

Front case USB-C connector can be useful, sure. The back ones? Meh.

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Hour_Firefighter_707@reddit (OP)

If that changes, I’m sure they’ll add more USB-Cs too.

That will never change because desktop PC bros have some weird fascination with USB-A. I can guarantee that there will be people out there defending the use of USB-A in desktop motherboards in 2050 because they have accessories they bought back in 2003.

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seklas1@reddit

We don’t know what will or won’t happen. But at the moment I have a motherboard with 2xUSB-C ports and I’m only using one of them to plug in my ethernet dongle, as my ethernet port has whatever driver problems and I can’t be arsed to fix them.

Most of my USB-A ports are taken though, so realistically - I don’t see the point of them really. I could have easily just used a USB-A port for ethernet dongle too and decided to be more “future” looking instead.

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zagblorg@reddit

Slight side note, but ever tried to solder a USB-C port? It's a pain, so many tiny contacts. USB-A is easy!

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

I hope that compression standard JAE came up with becomes popular on PC mobos and there's also an A version.

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RogueHeroAkatsuki@reddit

Two reasons.

FUll fledged usb-c needs pcie lanes - its expensive

Also Desktop PCs have a lot more space for ports and you can have variety of those without problem. 3 display outs, 8 x usb , antennas, 2 x ethernet and 4 jacks? No problem! But you cant do this on laptop and therefore multi-purpose usb-c is a lot more desired. Keep in mind that this also helps laptop rigidity as for thin laptops USB-A or HDMI are already spanning on almost whole case height.

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Altruistic_Fruit2345@reddit

To expand on that, they could have lower performance USB C ports, but people would get confused because the USB Forum that came up with the labelling and naming conventions after idiots.

If you need more, get a bracket with some USB C ports that plug into standard USB 3 headers.

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_redmist@reddit

...because the USB Forum that came up with the labelling and naming conventions after idiots.

Amen to that brother!

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pdp10@reddit

FUll fledged usb-c needs pcie lanes

10 Gbit/s USB Type A uses the same I/O as 10Gbit/s USB-C.

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jenny_905@reddit

Honestly while I understand that is simple I obviously come from a very different generation on this topic and really don't get this burning need for all ports to be replaced by one port to rule them all.

USB-A works fine for some things, USB-C works fine for others. Both are necessary and on a desktop PC there's more need for the former.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

Like, my ideal platform would be an AM5 with one thunderbolt rated socket, a few 2 and 3 rated As, and any saved PCIE lane sent to the mobo proper.

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Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit

The most expensive components on the motherboard are the connectors. Some components also put pressure on PCIe lanes which are a limited resource.

USB ports are both, they are expensive and use up PCie lanes or need a USB hub IC which is another expensive component (for good ones and you do want good ones)

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

TBH, I'd rather lose half the USB 3 on the back of my mobo for a bit more 2.0 and another two lane 4.0 PCIE port on the board myself.

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jedrider@reddit

Laptops seem to come with two USB-C ports and two USB-A ports and, I believe, the standard is currently almost the same for desktop motherboards, except that one is on the rear and one is on the front panel. Others have commented already on how much processing infrastructure is required for a full USB-C data port. If you want a charging port, get a separate GaN USB-C charger.

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SJGucky@reddit

The main reason is also cost. USB-A uses much less copper then a full-fledged USB-C.
Often times you simply don't need more, so they use USB-A to save money.

USB-C is meant for high-speed devices or those that use a lot of power.
But there aren't many high-speed/high-power devices out there.

And a CPU/mainboard only has a limited amount of speed/power available. Usually an USB port on a mainboard is powered by just 5V/1A. (I do have one "high-power" USB-C port with 27W (9V/3A) available on my board)
As for the speed, USB-C goes upto 40gbps, which is approx PCIe 5.0x1 or PCIe 4.0x2 and a CPU/Chipset has only a limited amount of those PCIe Lanes.
AM5 for example has 5.0x4 from the CPU for 2x USB4 ports reserved on the X870(e) boards.
The CPU (9800X3D for example) itself has only 24 5.0 Lanes in total available. 16 go to the GPU, 4 go to one NVME.
4x PCIe 4.0 Lanes go from the CPU to the chipset, which then splits/switches them to many other devices. So using USB-C with high speed on the chipset is not really common.

Most of the time you get USB-C on your device and USB-A on the other end. The reason for that USB-C on the device is actually size- or law-constraints, like the EU-Law for USB-C on mobile devices. Those USB-C devices usually are neither high-speed or high-power.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

Frankly, we need a USB 4.0 compliant version of the A standard rather then more C ports.

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ImSpartacus811@reddit

Legacy support is the highest priority for desktop computers.

A typical desktop user comes into a new 2026 build with a ton of existing accessories that often use USB A:

Mouse
Keyboard
Headset
Microphone
Docks & port extenders
External hard drives
Flash drives

So having 4-6 USB A ports on the back is very prudent and will probably remain that way for another 5-10 years.

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Hour_Firefighter_707@reddit (OP)

A typical desktop user comes into a new 2026 build with a ton of existing accessories

So have the computer industry completely given up on attracting new people in? I hear this all the time in other contexts too. Monitor pricing is not included in PC build cost because you already have one. You already have a mouse. Sure, that may have been true in 2007 USA, but I don't think that is true for a lot of people who are my age (early-to-mid 20s) and living on their own, especially in developing countries. Most of us don't have a shit tonne of type-A accessories. Most stuff we have is type-C.

So having 4-6 USB A ports on the back is very prudent and will probably remain that way for another 5-10 years.

And so this conversation will just keep on going and going and going

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Dealric@reddit

Most accessories is using usb a including new ones. So little to no usb c doesnt turn away new users

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Hour_Firefighter_707@reddit (OP)

Because there's no options with USB-C. The industry just decided as a whole to keep reusing 30-year old tech because apparently, if they used the newer, smaller, sleeker connector, someone buying a brand new mouse wouldn't be able to use it with their 15 year old computer

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froop@reddit

Why would you want C for a mouse or keyboard anyway?

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Stingray88@reddit

I want USB C for everything so we don’t have to have two ports needlessly. And that’s without even mentioning the obvious benefits to USB C, like that it can plug in any direction.

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froop@reddit

Sure but don't mention the obvious downsides of USBC like fragility and loose connection.

I have a brand new pc, all brand new peripherals, none use USB c.

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Stingray88@reddit

Sure but don't mention the obvious downsides of USBC like fragility and loose connection.

I didn’t mention that because it’s not a real issue.

Again, is it more fragile or loose than USB A? Sure. But is it robust and secure enough that it’s not a problem? Yes.

I have a brand new pc, all brand new peripherals, none use USB c.

Thats fine. And they make plenty of motherboards for people like you.

But why aren’t there more motherboards for people like us?

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froop@reddit

USBC ports failing is a real issue. Reversible ports isn't a real benefit.

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Stingray88@reddit

USBC ports failing is a real issue.

With how infrequent it is, no it’s not.

Reversible ports isn't a real benefit.

Yes it is, objectively.

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Sakuja@reddit

Its probably frequent enough that it would bump the rma rate up by a fair bit compared to usb a. Thats why companies dont make them in c if they dont have to.

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Stingray88@reddit

I highly doubt that

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Sakuja@reddit

Man all I can say is that I hate rigid USB C cables.

I dont care as much on my desktop but my worklaptop has a rigid data and energy connection through 1 usb c cable to the dock and it sucks. Due to the build of the dock (left side cable) and the laptop (left side usb c power connection) I have to plug the cable in a big loop, and that loop is already enough to wear out the connection. It lies flat on the desk, but because of the bent and the ridigness of the cable there is always some force on it.

After 1 year it just loses connection when I move my laptop slightly, so yeah these things can get damage way more easily than a normal power connector or a usb a

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Stingray88@reddit

Chubby Cable is your solution. Ultra flexible and extremely durable. https://chubbycable.com/products/thunderbolt-chubby-usb-3-2-gen2-2-cable-20gbps

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Sakuja@reddit

Yeah no, the company provided dell docks have no usb c in. The cable is build into the box.

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Stingray88@reddit

Ugh… who the heck designs a dock like that?!

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Sakuja@reddit

ask Dell and their overpriced Docks

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skinlo@reddit

people like us?

Because there aren't that many people like you.

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Stingray88@reddit

Completely disagree. This has been a routine complaint from a lot of people I know.

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skinlo@reddit

Again, anecdotal evidence. The motherboard manufacturers know their market better than you or me. There is a reason why they don't have USB C everywhere, and its because there isn't enough demand.

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Stingray88@reddit

Again, anecdotal evidence.

So are all your guys arguments to the contrary lol

The motherboard manufacturers know their market better than you or me.

Again, the fact that this is a routine complaint says otherwise. Also if you think manufacturers are always perfectly in tuned with the demands of consumers I’ve got a bridge to sell you…

There is a reason why they don't have USB C everywhere, and it’s because there isn't enough demand for the added expenditure.

Which again, I flat out disagree with.

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skinlo@reddit

So are all your guys arguments to the contrary lol

Which is why I'm basing my argument on reality, eg the market

Again, the fact that this is a routine complaint says otherwise. Also if you think manufacturers are always perfectly in tuned with the demands of consumers I’ve got a bridge to sell you…

What routine argument? So far we've got like 5 people in this thread and 'a lot of people you know'.

Which again, I flat out disagree with.

It's not a case of disagreeing or agreeing. You have no evidence.

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Stingray88@reddit

As do you. And no, the market options isn’t evidence, manufacturers are not always in tune with the market… in fact, they’re often not.

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skinlo@reddit

And no, the market options isn’t evidence, manufacturers are not always in tune with the market

They are more aligned that a few people on Reddit and 'a lot of people you know'.

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Stingray88@reddit

Alright, then why does this exist?

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z890%20Taichi%20AQUA/

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skinlo@reddit

Because a single manufacturer thinks there is enough demand for an approx 800 dollar motherboard.

Did you buy it?

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Stingray88@reddit

You can get it for $430 on Newegg right now. But it’s not just expensive because of the USB C ports, it’s a ridiculously high end motherboard for a litany of other reasons. 10G + 5G NICs, 28+1+2+1+1 Power Phase, 6 M.2 slots.

No, I didn’t buy it because I don’t need a new desktop right now, and if I did I wouldn’t be buying Intel. All of that has nothing to do with the USB C ports though… If I was in the market and they offer one for AMD, I’d absolutely consider it!

This exists for a reason. We will probably see more like this in the future.

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froop@reddit

Nobody makes USBC peripherals for the USBC ports my PC doesn't have!

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Whistlerone@reddit

my god you would have broke down in tears if you had to use an old computer. there was a port only for keyboards, one only for mice, one only for joysticks. all these weird 9pin serial ports that look like video connectors. and you had to SCREW IN THE CONNECTIONS the horror!
the reality is, usb c has high costs associated with implementing it, more than just the higher cable cost, that just make it not worth it outside of laptops trying to use one port to replace everything, and high bandwidth applications like some media card reader, external gpu's and laptop docks.

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Stingray88@reddit

my god you would have broke down in tears if you had to use an old computer. there was a port only for keyboards, one only for mice, one only for joysticks. all these weird 9pin serial ports that look like video connectors. and you had to SCREW IN THE CONNECTIONS the horror!

I grew up with those computers. I build my first computer in the early 90s, and it was with cheap used 80s parts.

I’m extremely grateful how much simpler things have become. I don’t know why you all don’t appreciate it.

the reality is, usb c has high costs associated with implementing it, more than just the higher cable cost, that just make it not worth it outside of laptops trying to use one port to replace everything, and high bandwidth applications like some media card reader, external gpu's and laptop docks.

For USB 4.0 40Gbps 240w ports? Sure.

For a basic USB 2.0 480Mbps 2.5w port? No. It’s really not that much more expensive to do that as type C compared to A.

It’s not about having all fully fledged ports… it’s about having one consistent port. A port that’s a better standard than the old one.

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Hour_Firefighter_707@reddit (OP)

So they can be connected with laptops and tablets without the use of a stupid adaptor. And because it would have allowed me to connect my controller to my phone without using said stupid adaptor.

More and more people use other devices that have transitioned to USB-C. But they all keep getting shafted because the desktop crowd makes the most noise. Why? So that a brand new mouse someone bought can be attached to a 30-year old computer?

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froop@reddit

You should be asking for laptops with usb-A then, or get a mouse with Bluetooth.

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Lirael_Gold@reddit

Re: your controller/phone complaint, just get a bluetooth controller?

Why? So that a brand new mouse someone bought can be attached to a 30-year old computer?

Yes, and that's a good thing for the 70% of the world that's still using 10-15+ year old hardware.

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Soggy_Association491@reddit

Monitor pricing is not included in PC build cost because you already have one. You already have a mouse. Sure, that may have been true in 2007 USA, but I don't think that is true for a lot of people who are my age

Isn't that the point of being modular?

Or are you ok with PC build cost increase in price because it always has to include monitor pricing?

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Haunting-Public-23@reddit

Consumer demand for desktops will determine how many USB-A & USB-C ports will be on offer.

1st USB-C devices launched over 10 years ago in 2015.

By now desktops should be 80% USB-C + 20% USB-A unless sales data says otherwise.

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Jerithil@reddit

Looking at the best selling motherboards at newegg most of em are 1 USB C on the lower end board and more on the higher end but still have usually at least 2x more A versus C.

Looking at OEMs(HP and Dell) desktops when sorting by most popular usually have 2 USB C(one front and one back) with at usually at least 4 USB A.

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RadicalDwntwnUrbnite@reddit

Yea it wasn't even that long ago I had still seen ps/2 ports on mobos

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

You still do, especially for the overclocking set.

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degggendorf@reddit

Why is that?

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

(A) they apparently are less likely to behave weirdly when operating around exotic-exotic cooling then standard USB controllers IIRC.

(B) some shit with certain bioses

(C) USB actually takes more CPU grunt to run

(D) I suspect for those that actually game with their OCs they may be more likely than usual to be attached to devices using that standard (or even built their own) and they can apparently USB in cases where latency is highly important due to the differences in how the two standards work in .

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Jerithil@reddit

I remember watching a video and intel still uses them in their main testing facilities as USB is just one more then that can cause problems when testing engineering samples.

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degggendorf@reddit

Neat, thank you

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Haunting-Public-23@reddit

Yea it wasn't even that long ago I had still seen ps/2 ports on mobos

Some 2026 boards with PS/2 ports

ASUS X670 / B650 series (AM5)
Gigabyte B650M DS3H / Gaming X
MSI PRO B650M / Intel Z690-era boards
Even some X670E high-end boards retained it

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

I also would not be surprised if they've made a major comeback through the elite gaming sweatlord segment by then.

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JesusIsMyLord666@reddit

My motherboard from 2019 has a PS/2 port. Old keyboards are pretty popular so they will probably be available for some time.

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blueblocker2000@reddit

Can't help but wonder what the failure rate would be on all those if connected using the dainty C port.

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Stingray88@reddit

I’ve been using tons of USB C devices for a decade and have never had any of them fail on me.

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Agreeable-Pie-7012@reddit

A sample size of 1

If 1000 people using it, there is gonna be a lot more instances of people not being as cautious as you

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FalconX88@reddit

How many did you break? I never had one fail for me and I never heard it happen to anyone in my bubble. And that matches studies on the durability of USB-C connectors which all show that they are pretty good. Not sure where people like you get it idea that these break after a few mate/unmate cycles.

I mean there are literally billions of phones out there with USB-C ports and there's nothing about widespread problems with the reliability of the connector.

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Jerithil@reddit

I broke one two weeks ago during work where i had to carry a laptop all over the place and it go caught on a piece of furniture. A USB-A one would not have gotten caught.

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Stingray88@reddit

You’re missing the point. I’ll agree to the point that USB C may not be as robust as USB A, but that doesn’t matter so long as USB C is robust enough, which it is. It’s not dainty.

There exist people out there who will destroy any cables, even USB A cables. Does that mean USB A is dainty? No, it just means there’s no saving those individuals. The rest of us don’t have issues like that v

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Clark_Dent@reddit

I'm already at 3+ USB-C ports failing. My 2023 Motorola's charge port is mighty loose, my Jabra earbuds case failed completely at the charge port, and one of the two USB-C ports on my Lenovo Yoga (18 months old) is loose enough to occasionally drop the connection.

It's not robust enough for constant plug/unplug cycles with daily use devices, unless you're assuming a use life of maybe 2-3 years. I've had exactly one USB-A port fail in 25 years, and that was because I bonked the thumb drive sticking out of it pretty hard.

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Qweasdy@reddit

Have you cleaned the lint/junk out of the port? Every single time I’ve seen someone complain about a device with a loose connection or not charging it’s been because junk built up over the years.

If you’ve owned and actively used a device for over a year and have never cleaned out the USB-C port with a thin, stiff piece of plastic then I can 99% guarantee it’s full of junk. You won’t believe how much stuff can come out of one of those ports.

This isn’t necessarily to agree with at other poster, but 3 ports failing on you isn’t a normal rate of failure, 3 ports getting gummed up to the point where you can’t get a good connection is super common.

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Clark_Dent@reddit

I'm more than familiar with cleaning out USB ports, cleaning off charging contacts, cleaning out mic and speaker ports, etc. The USB-C form factor just isn't as resilient against torque from the cable, much like micro-USB. 6.7mm of connector will always have a problem when being torqued by a meter of cable.

3 ports failing out of the 30 or so devices I've used over that timeframe seems similar to the rate of failure I've seen from other people.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

I'd be more willing to use them on PC if it was easier to replace those ports - like if the mobo vendors switched to this standard for EU compliance. Wish more of the stuff living under the VRM heat armor was on those little NVME looking jobbies like the WiFi on a PC, it would be much easier to upgrade and fix.

Hell, given Sapphire's replaceable fan gimmick, being able to get at that shit without having to do a total reputty job wouldn't be the worst way to differentiate themselves in this market.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

It was the battery that finally killed my old Note 8, but the race between that and the C port being the cause of death was intense.

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Stingray88@reddit

I’ve had a litany of devices, and computers for 5-10 years, and more, with no problems on any USB C ports dying. I think your devices just might have been poorly manufactured…

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skinlo@reddit

Again, your anecdotal evidence doesn't invalidate theirs.

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Stingray88@reddit

Again, the vast majority of people never have any issues on the vast majority of devices.

Some people are particularly destructive and careless with their devices. Some devices are manufactured poorly. I’m not invalidating those very real causes of failures by suggesting the USB C port is “good enough”. It’s existed for over a decade now, and we have enough data out there to suggest it is indeed good enough.

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EstoyMejor@reddit

Buying Motorola and Jabra and wondering why they break after a few years...

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frostygrin@reddit

I’ll agree to the point that USB C may not be as robust as USB A, but that doesn’t matter so long as USB C is robust enough, which it is.

It may depend. A bunch of cables in the back of the PC, with added strain, can change things up.

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trueppp@reddit

I see 10 to 20 every month. USB-A? Maybe once a year.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

My kingdom for a phone with a USB-A port. Not only would it live longer, but the chassis would have space for more battery, camera and heat rejection.

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degggendorf@reddit

Especially when the USBC dongle would have to stick out further from the port because they couldn't shove the components inside the connector.

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PastaPandaSimon@reddit

And on the other end, most of those peripherals still launch with USB A cables.

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spicesucker@reddit

Yeah USB-A is leagues more robust and securely fitted than USB-C. I’d argue that for a desktop a USB-A connection is preferable unless there’s power delivery involved / Thunderbolt involved.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

I want a 4.0 USB A standard that supports that power delivery and thunderbolt. Bring that capability to the durability of the A standard.

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Stingray88@reddit

I don’t prefer USB A to C in any circumstances, especially not for a desktop. It doesn’t move… the fit just isn’t an issue, it’s not being strained. But even on laptops this isn’t really an issue unless you have a cheaper laptop with crappy ports.

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froop@reddit

If it doesn't move, and it's not being strained, why do you want USBC? Surely A is just as acceptable to you in that case?

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Stingray88@reddit

It’s reversible, not just being plugged in either way, but the cable is the same on both ends.
It’s smaller
It’s one standard, instead of having the two. I don’t want two sets of cables, adapters, ports, etc. when just the newer one can handle it all.

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CallMeRudiger@reddit

It’s reversible, not just being plugged in either way, but the cable is the same on both ends.

If that matters, it's because it moves.

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Stingray88@reddit

Yes. The cable. Not the desktop.

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CallMeRudiger@reddit

But they asked you, "If it doesn't move, and it's not being strained, why do you want USBC?" If the cable moves, then it's at risk of being strained, so it could make more sense to use the more durable type A connectors.

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Stingray88@reddit

But they asked you, "If it doesn't move, and it's not being strained, why do you want USBC?"

And I answered that question.

If the cable moves, then it's at risk of being strained,

Again, I don’t see how that applies to desktop usage, only laptops.

so it could make more sense to use the more durable type A connectors.

This just isn’t an issue from my perspective though. Type C is durable enough already.

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CallMeRudiger@reddit

Again, I don’t see how that applies to desktop usage, only laptops.

If a peripheral is tugged, especially laterally, both of the connectors take the bulk of the strain. Type C connectors can be made reasonably rugged, but I've still seen the issues they can have even with quality brand-name heavy-duty cables. Principally, bending and breaking where the grounding sheath meets the boot.

It happens sometimes on cables used with external hard drives and any handheld or worn device with type C on at the peripheral side. I also see this a lot on cables used to charge phones or walkie-talkies, which have a similar strain profile of a moving handheld device connected to a fixed point.

I don't see any kind of physical damage to a type A connector as often as I see that specific damage to type C. For that reason, I do personally prefer a chunkier connector on things that take strain.

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Dr_Icchan@reddit

USB-A ports have one advantage; you can see which ones are usb3 by the color.

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Stingray88@reddit

That standard isn’t always universal. Plus you can easily just put labels on the mobo for 2.0 vs 3.0 etc.

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froop@reddit

It's a desktop, how often are you unplugging your keyboard & mouse?
That's why it's fragile. It's in the back of your PC, who cares how big it is?
No it can't, your USBC cables and ports all have different different poorly labeled capabilities. Unless you want to buy $75 usb cables to charge your mouse, you're going to have a ton of cables that all look the same but do very different things

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Lycanthoss@reddit

Regarding 3: bruh, where are you getting this 75$ price? You can get a 40Gbps USB-C cable for like less than 20$. I think I bought an amazon basics Thunderbolt 4 USB-C cable for like 15€ 2 years ago. Also you obviously don't need a 40Gbps cable for 99% of peripherals and any decent quality and high bandwidth USB-C cable has its capabilities etched on the housing.

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Stingray88@reddit

⁠It's a desktop, how often are you unplugging your keyboard & mouse?

On some desktops? Never. On others? Frequently.

⁠That's why it's fragile. It's in the back of your PC, who cares how big it is?

It’s not fragile, it’s totally fine. I care how big it is because with smaller components means you can have more of them.

⁠No it can't, your USBC cables and ports all have different different poorly labeled capabilities.

Buy better cables.

Unless you want to buy $75 usb cables to charge your mouse, you're going to have a ton of cables that all look the same but do very different things

Brother, even LTT TrueSpec cables, which they warned us wouldn’t be cheap, aren’t $75. Their 40Gbps 240w USB C cables are like $20 - $27 depending on the length. And again… that’s a pricy LTT cable, you can easily find cheaper options, you just may run into issues if you go too cheap… find the manufacturer that works for you, get a couple of good cables… and you’re all set.

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onolide@reddit

For one thing, USB-C plugs in both ways. Small change, but makes life more convenient lol.

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froop@reddit

But you only plug it in once, and leave it forever. That's a pretty small convenience for a pretty major downside.

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frostygrin@reddit

It doesn’t move…

The devices and cables still can. Especially if you tie them up.

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Stingray88@reddit

Right, but it’s still just not an issue even on laptops.

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frostygrin@reddit

Laptops don't have as many USB-C ports as desktops have USB-A ports, and the way they're used puts less stress on the cables, not more. When both the laptop and the devices are on the table, it's easy mode, compared to the PC on the floor. Like, when I'm moving the PC with all the cables plugged in.

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Stingray88@reddit

Laptops don't have as many USB-C ports as desktops have USB-A ports,

A lot of desktops don’t have as many USB C ports as laptops have USB C ports. That’s what annoys me.

and the way they're used puts less stress on the cables, not more. When both the laptop and the devices are on the table, it's easy mode, compared to the PC on the floor.

Huh? None of the cables with any of my desktops are strained. Only laptop cables experience strain. I don’t understand this perspective.

Like, when I'm moving the PC with all the cables plugged in.

Like… a laptop? Why would you move a desktop like this regularly?

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Keulapaska@reddit

A lot of desktops don’t have as many USB C ports as laptops have USB C ports. That’s what annoys me.

Every X870/X870E board has minimum 2 40gbps type-c ports and 1 front type-c. Z890 I think some boards might not have 2 rear usb, but some stupid priced ones have a lot so if you really want it you can have it, older/cheaper stuff is mostly 1+1, sure.

Yea you ain't a gonna find bunch of 2.0/3.0 Type-C in desktop motherboards cause type-c is seen as "premium" feature and the idea is probably why would you need a bunch of low bandwidth type-c when type-a exists adn does the same thing.

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Stingray88@reddit

Every X870/X870E board has minimum 2 40gbps type-c ports and 1 front type-c. Z890 I think some boards might not have 2 rear usb, but some stupid priced ones have a lot so if you really want it you can have it, older/cheaper stuff is mostly 1+1, sure.

That’s the thing, the fact that the highest end boards are still just 2+1 minimum is pretty wild to me. Like can we get at least 4+2 minimum on high end boards?

Yea you ain't a gonna find bunch of 2.0/3.0 Type-C in desktop motherboards cause type-c is seen as "premium" feature and the idea is probably why would you need a bunch of low bandwidth type-c when type-a exists and does the same thing.

Right, it’s not a need, just a want. I want to rid USB A from my life. I’m getting pretty close as it is.

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Keulapaska@reddit

Like can we get at least 4+2 minimum on high end boards?

They exist, If you're willing to pay, a lot. There are 5-7 rear port amd ones and that 10-port intel one some1 pointed out in the thread.

Ofc the bandwidth of those type-c ports is probably going to be complete overkill to just plug random stuff in, vs some dongle that just splits one of those 40gbps ports to a lot of smaller ones, if those exist.

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Stingray88@reddit

They exist, I’ve seen the Taichi someone else posted in here that’s literally all USB C. But I’m just asking for that to be more of the standard. And not even asking for them to all be 40Gbps USB4… just like, 2 USB 4 type C, and 2 USB 3 type C, as a minimum, would be excellent for the back IO

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frostygrin@reddit

Why would you move a desktop like this regularly?

Sweep the floor, connect more devices to the ports in the back, install internal components. It doesn't happen that often, I suppose, but it does happen, and does strain the cables.

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Stingray88@reddit

Hmm, I guess I just don’t leave my desktops on the floor. Currently mine is in an under desk mount, under my standing desk. Before that it was in a compartment of my old desk. If I was installing new components I always disconnect everything to take it out and put it on a table, but I’m not doing that very often anyways.

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jmlinden7@reddit

Laptops frequently need docking stations which require a lot of features that are USB-C exclusive like multiple monitor support, USB PD, Thunderbolt, etc. Desktops don't have docking stations or external GPUs so there's much less of a need for a USB-C port on a desktop

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onolide@reddit

Annoyingly, most of those peripherals launch with USB-C ports now, but for some reason the included cable/dongle is A-C/USB-A.

Like seriously, the USB-C port has existed for more than a decade now. Time to transition fully.

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PastaPandaSimon@reddit

I just bought the latest flagship Razer Basilisk mouse, and the Logitech Keys MX keyboard, and both of them come with USB A dongles. Most of the mice and keyboards I saw at BestBuy still come with USB A dongles.

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onolide@reddit

Logitech still launches their newest mice and keyboards with USB A receivers

this, I was just looking for a new mouse and keyboard, and somehow most of these Logitech options still come with only USB-A dongle, even though they finally made a USB-C Bolt dongle(after YEARS). Really disappointing it took them this long to make a USB-C dongle, and even then it's not bundled with their mice/keyboards.

And that's only for Bolt, I don't see USB-C options for the Logitech Unifying or Logitech G devices. Big downvote 👎

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Sakuja@reddit

These companies would do anything for money and if they see that there is no big market for usb c dongles they will keep making usb a ones.

So yeah it seems like a problem for you, but not for many other people.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

My moonlander uses a C port but I hook it up via a A. saves the C ports for shit like my phone and well, Anker didn't have that fetching red on their USB C lines last I checked.

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HolyGhostin@reddit

And dongles/receivers. Bluetooth can't touch those yet.

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Hour_Firefighter_707@reddit (OP)

Why are these not type-C? If my game controller came with a type-C dongle I could have easily used it with my phone. And my laptop.

But now, I can't. For no reason.

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CallMeRudiger@reddit

The reason is still compatibility heavily influencing the pros and cons of moving over. A controller dongle doesn't need improvements in bandwidth. The latency of USB 2 is adequate. And they won't benefit much from changes in the connector's form factor because design is already highly optimized to integrate most of the active elections within the envelope of the type A connector.

So by simply sticking to USB 2 with a type A connector, they minimize any potential compatibility issues. People with older computers can plug and play, people with newer computers are grateful that their faster ports are free for devices that can take advantage of them, and people who truly must use a type C connector can buy an extremely cheap adapter.

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Charles_Mendel@reddit

This is absurd in 2026. Haven’t had a USB- A device in years. All the old people ditched their desktops for mobile. I haven’t seen a USB-A mouse or keyboard in years. Everything is type-C now or Bluetooth. PC makers are cheap and lazy.

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Keulapaska@reddit

haven’t seen a USB-A mouse or keyboard in years.

You're joking right? Almost any keyboard/mouse will come with C-A cable by default still.

And if you mean on the device side, duh. I don't think there ever was type-A connectors on mice(maybe some early wireless/detachable cable keyboard keyboard might've been A), they were B-connectors, like phones were.

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spazturtle@reddit

USB is directional so you cant really put USB-A on the mouse, you would need to use USB-B.

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ckyhnitz@reddit

I suspect part of it is that USB Type A connectors are more robust than type C as well. If Im designing a connectorized device that doesnt need the bandwidth of a type C connector but needs to survive the lowest common denominator of society man-handling it, I am going to reach for the strongest, most robust connector there is.

Type C is far better than micro usb, but its not Type A.

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arahman81@reddit

Stupid External HDDs with their Micro-B 3.0...just switch to C already!

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CallMeRudiger@reddit

I'd love to see your market research on your belief that USB-A is no longer relevant, considering that claim contradicts real-world observations.

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pit_supervisor@reddit

I have never seen an USB-C mouse or keyboard

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WigglingWeiner99@reddit

I can't speak for all keyboards, but Keychron is a pretty popular brand for people stepping away from Corsair/Razer for the first time. They have male C to C but ship with a female C to Male A.

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wpm@reddit

They also ship both in the box depending on what you buy. My M6 mouse I bought from them came with both USB-A and C dongles.

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snmnky9490@reddit

I have never in my life seen a USB C mouse or keyboard

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pandaSmore@reddit

Also USB 2 chips that have to go on the motherboard are dirt cheap.

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pixel_of_moral_decay@reddit

Additionally: USB A is more durable, and thus cheaper for warranty purposes. Dealing with users claiming it broke under normal use is expensive.

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OutlawFrame@reddit

Your phone should have Bluetooth why does it need an adapter?

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alvenestthol@reddit

There are some controllers and mice with type-C dongles, my most recent Keychron mouse and 8bitdo controller were both type-C

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wpm@reddit

Type-C is a less robust port, and it's also smaller.

I have type-A and type-C 2.4Ghz dongles for my keyboard and mouse. The Type-A not only has a more secure fit, but because the port is larger, the space the actual receiver has to fit into is larger. The end result is a nice snug fit that does not stick out more than half a centimeter from the port. Very unlikely to snag and snap.

The USB-C one is longer than the type-A one. The body of the receiver is as long as the entire dongle is for type-A, and then there's a USB-C port sticking out of it. Far easier for a cable or clothing to snag on it and rip it out, which will probably destroy the port too. Whether this is done for technical reasons or practical ones (it would be incredibly hard to remove a USB-C dongle that was the same ratio of port:receiver as a USB-A one), I don't care. The USB-A ones are better for long term attachment, and I don't need PD or high speeds for a keyboard/mouse receiver. There's no point in making it USB-C, the only reason I have a USB-C one is because thats all most laptops come with now.

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kazuviking@reddit

It will be in the EU as usb C is forced.

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davidmeyers18@reddit

That's simply wrong and probably comes with a healthy dose of malice. Desktops have no charging port. Dongles don't need to charge. There is no European regulation on that.

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kazuviking@reddit

In 22 the EU voted((EU) 2022/2380) that every electronic device will switch to usb C and its heading very nicely. in 2024 tablets, phones, cameras, headphones, controllers etc have to be usb C. From 2026 April all laptops must have only C ports on them so its not long for everything to be usb C even motherboards.

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eidetic0@reddit

it seems to be only for charging batteries though. So charging cables are interoperable with other devices. There seems to be no legislation of USB peripherals.

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davidmeyers18@reddit

That vote and directive is literally about charging. You are again trying to misrepresent the truth in order to confuse the public. Stop this bs. No rules about usb c in non charging scenarios was passed.

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Stingray88@reddit

I really, really wish this wasn’t the case. They need to start switching over at this point.

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Whistlerone@reddit

why do they need to switch to a more expensive, more fragile connector to fix non existent problems? and being hard to plug in isn't a problem because you are plugging them in once and leaving them for maybe years at a time

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Stingray88@reddit

It’s negligibly expensive, not that fragile, and fixes a very real problem I’d personally like to solve. If you aren’t interested that’s good for you.

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Whistlerone@reddit

double price is not negligible, I've seen many usb c cables where the connector is bent because they don't handle lateral forces well. they don't hold in as securely. and the problem you have with usb A is that they're "old". you even complained that most new things come with usb A cables.

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Stingray88@reddit

Double the price is negligible when the prices we’re talking about are cheap. Even LTTs expensive TrueSpec cables are only $27 for a 1m 240w 40Gbps type C cable. If you look around, you can get equivalent cables from no name brands that will function just fine for $10-15.

I haven’t had any issues with type c cables bending. Of course there will always be examples of people destroying anything, no matter how robust it is. Anecdotes don’t matter… the reality is, the vast majority of people do not have reliability issues with type c.

And no, the problem I have with usb A is not that it’s “old”. Do I really need to spell out the advantages of type C for the 10th time on this thread, even when we all already know what they are?

And yes, I did complain about new devices coming with the older standard, because I prefer the newer standard and would prefer to only have to use the one cable type moving forward. That is a very logical position to hold.

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Whistlerone@reddit

the truth of the matter is, unless you are dealing with one of a rare few devices that require bleeding edge bandwidth, there is no advantage to type c.

a mouse or a keyboard does not care about a smaller connector on the tower end.

a mouse or keyboard are saturating a usb 1.1 connection, much less a 3.0

a mouse or keyboard are do not require different voltages, or high current.

type c should keep doing what its doing. replacing mini and micro type b connectors. and high bandwidth.

and the fact is, a motherboard is only going to be able to provide 1 or 2 at most high bandwidth connections, so it would only highlight type c biggest weakness to replace all the type A's, because now you have all these identical ports that all do different things and have different capabilities

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Stingray88@reddit

the truth of the matter is, unless you are dealing with one of a rare few devices that require bleeding edge bandwidth, there is no advantage to type c.

Already covered why that isn’t the case. It’s not about bandwidth, it’s about simplicity and convenience.

Type C is superior to A. I want it replaced, everywhere, period.

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2c-glen@reddit

If you're looking for simplicity - USB A is a much simpler connection than USB C.

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Stingray88@reddit

No, simplicity is using one type of port/connector instead of two.

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ramirezdoeverything@reddit

Because they also need to cater to the laptop market which has limited space for ports, and inevitably is moving to more USB C ports and less USB A.

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ComplaintMaster69420@reddit

My mouse keyboard and mic are usb c. And I don’t have anything for the others because why get something that’s usb a still

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GhostNappa101@reddit

I'll probably get hate for this, but I'd rather have all my peripherals plugged into a quality USB Hub than a bunch of cables plugged directly into my motherboard. Makes disconnecting the PC for moving it or maintaining it easier.

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Gamersfan95@reddit

5-10? 50-100 more likely.

RemindMe! 50 years

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1731799517@reddit

Also, in more recent time, all of this shit is connected to one hub / breakout box under the monitor or in the monitor, with only a usb-c cable going down to the tower.

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DUNGAROO@reddit

Cost. Also limited PCIe lanes. But mostly cost.

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MBILC@reddit

Considering Apple still only uses USB2 controllers in anything below their "Pro" phones..still a sad day in tech when your paying so much for a device to get USB2 speeds...

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phire@reddit

That isn't about cost. The SoC already has all the hardware for USB3 SuperSpeed. The hardware is even hooked up on all phones (except for the iPhone 16e) to supply the DisplayPort alt-mode (which uses the same pins, and the switching is done inside the SoC)

As far as I can tell, the lack of USB3 speeds is purely a software/firmware limitation.

Apple's justification is entirely about market segmentation. They know most people don't care about faster transfers, and that the people who do are often willing to pay quite a bit extra for the functionality.

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R-ten-K@reddit

It’s mostly segmentation, as you pointed out, but margins play a role too.

USB 2.0 is fully royalty-free. USB 3.x is also generally royalty-free to implement at the IP block level, but using the official branding typically requires certification, which comes with a cost.

Technically, enabling higher-speed USB would only add a small cost per device, but at Apple’s scale even a few cents add up. It’s a frustrating corner to cut on a premium product, but that’s the trade-off they’ve chosen.

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phire@reddit

That doesn't seem to be right.

The information I can find is that usb 3.0 is royalty free, and has been since the beginning. The same applies to 3.1 and 3.2.

The only thing that isn't free is the certification for the logo. Which apple refuses to put on their devices anyway.

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R-ten-K@reddit

That's literally what I wrote.

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DUNGAROO@reddit

Bruh. It’s a handheld device that’s capable of symmetrical multigig wireless speeds. No one is plugging it in to transfer data. I don’t even plug it in to charge it.

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Haunting-Public-23@reddit

Considering Apple still only uses USB2 controllers in anything below their "Pro" phones..still a sad day in tech when your paying so much for a device to get USB2 speeds...

What's the typical use case o non-Pro iPhone or iPad? Almost all users of these devices transfer data wirelessly.

Only a nerd on a tight budget would use a non-Pro device to transfer data wired.

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MBILC@reddit

Because some people like to transfer files direct to their computer fast instead of using wifi to upload to cloud storage, to then have to download it / sync on said device? Not everyone wants to pay extra for iCloud or another cloud service to "temp" store files in...

When you can be taking pictures that are 10-20MB in size now, or video's that can be gigs in size...ya, love waiting for it to upload to where ever over wifi, assuming you have the storage capacity in said service...

It is apple being cheap, simple as that.

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Haunting-Public-23@reddit

Apple’s refusal to upgrade the non-Pro iPhone to USB 3.0 is a genius move in margin preservation. By tethering the base models to the 480 Mbps speeds of the USB 2.0 era Apple avoids the silicon real estate and power tax of a dedicated high-speed controller. For a company that ships millions, saving a few dollars per SoC by omitting a USB 3.1 PHY translates to massive bottom-line padding. They aren't building a tool for you they are building a fence around the "Pro" tier where the $999 entry fee buys you the privilege of 10 Gbps speeds that actually belong in the current decade.

Do not mistake the Android camp for a meritocracy of speed. Since Apple’s pivot to USB-C the alternative has been equally cynical. Brands like Xiaomi, Nothing and even Samsung’s A-series routinely ship USB-C ports wired internally to USB 2.0 controllers to shave costs. When they do offer 5 Gbps or 10 Gbps on non-pro flagships it is often a hollow victory. The industry’s open secret is the cable as most Android OEMs bundle a charging cable in the box that is physically incapable of anything beyond USB 2.0 data rates.

The caveat of Android’s faster USB-C is the nightmare of signal integrity and protocol fragmentation. High-speed USB-C requires active shielding and retimers that many mid-range Androids skip leading to frequent disconnects or thermal throttling during sustained transfers. You might have a fast port but between the unshielded $2 cable in the box and the lack of a standardized DisplayPort Alt Mode the port remains a glorified charging hole. It is less a standard and more a suggestion proving that in 2026 whether you pay the Apple tax or the Android value price the industry remains allergic to giving you the bandwidth you actually paid for.

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athens199@reddit

What is the point of using it over usb a? Not every keyboard, mouse, phone, printer and etc, are use usb c, second of all most of production are already usb a and changing factory lines swiftly is expensive and not frugal. And no it's not takes 3 tries to plug in.

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agafaba@reddit

Maybe you have less secure USB ports but mine all take 3 tries to plug in

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bubblesort33@reddit

So they can charge you more for a motherboard that has 2 or 3.

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Ok-Brick-6250@reddit

Hy I got this same question my work desktop Lenovo pc have 1 usb in the frontbut can't find a decent pc case that have front usbc And if I look for usb front pannel it will not work well with gaming case that suppose you don't use your front panel

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Nuck_Chorris_Stache@reddit

Many devices still don't even need more than USB 2.0

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dog-gone-@reddit

Glad this annoys someone else besides me. I expect desktops to have USB-C TB4+ by now but it is only seen in laptops. Talk about being behind the times.

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Nuck_Chorris_Stache@reddit

USB4 is compatible with TB3 devices up to 40Gbps, and has become common on AM5 boards.

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rpungello@reddit

Boy do I have a motherboard for you: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z890%20Taichi%20AQUA/

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zdy132@reddit

Plenty of Type-C on Rear IO

Kind of an understatement.

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degggendorf@reddit

8 is a pretty standard number of USB-A ports on a motherboard, isn't it?

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zdy132@reddit

Let's see. mouse 1/8, keyboard 2/8, monitor hub 3/8, microphone 4/8, webcam 5/8, external DAC 6/8, Bad Dragon charger 7/8, and my RGB Razer deskpad 8/8.

Yep, 8 is about right.

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Matthijsvdweerd@reddit

Let's see my setup: - keyboard - mouse - headset - microphone - Direct drive wheelbase + pedals (takes one) - Shifter (takes one) - SKRS attachment (takes one, turn my 6 gate shifter into a 16 speed) - speakers - 2 webcams (one for video, one for headtracking) - volume mixer - standalone monitor These are all permanently connected. There are some devices that I plug in sometimes: - bluetooth dongle - VR headset - moza stalks

All in all that's 11 permanent devices and 3 devices I use often enough they need an open port.

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BilboShaggins429@reddit

What about that Razer ai assistant thingy

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zdy132@reddit

Good point, guess i will need a usb hub after all...

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n0stalghia@reddit

Underpromise and overdeliver ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Cubanitto@reddit

Comes with a nice price tag too for those that want plenty of USB-C.

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Crimtos@reddit

It is $430 for anyone who was curious which is a fairly typical price for motherboards with its spec list. 5gbps + 10gbps ethernet, 6 m.2 slots, 28+1+2+1+1 Power Phase VRM, and so on.

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-z890-taichi-aqua-extended-atx-motherboards-intel-intel-z890-lga-1851/p/N82E16813162183

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JesusIsMyLord666@reddit

Considering how expensive standalone 10GBE dongles/expansion cards are. That’s actually a bargain.

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Decent-Law-9565@reddit

10 GbE cards are $50 and can be even cheaper if you know where to look.

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narwi@reddit

yes, but a lot of these want a x4 interface

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Spider_pig448@reddit

It's beautiful

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Kagemand@reddit

I love it. They should also just remove the audio ports, no need for that when there’s USB-C!

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chino17@reddit

You joke but I have my speakers connected to a DAC/Amp that's connected through USB to my PC so I don't need the audio ports anymore. I could use more USB ports there instead though

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

I'd rather have slightly fewer USB on a DX07 standard and have more lanes for PCIE ports, so I can use my soundcard and have more room for cool shit on the board like capture cards and the like.

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Whirblewind@reddit

"I don't use these ports, so clearly nobody else does, either!"

Cringe.

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Kagemand@reddit

We don’t need to get the same motherboard?

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itsabearcannon@reddit

Sounds good to me. My Modi 2+ is connected via USB-C to my desktop, then to my Midgard and HD650’s.

Audio quality is significantly better than the onboard sound card, too, so yeah I’d love to remove those bargain basement high noise floor audio jacks in favor of USB-C.

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Stingray88@reddit

Actually… yeah, that’d be cool with me. I haven’t used the onboard audio on my desktop in like 20 years. My current audio solution is just connected via USB C. https://audient.com/products/audio-interfaces/id14/overview/

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rpungello@reddit

Tim Apple: you’re hired!

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kasakka1@reddit

Ah yes, USB ports right near the Clear CMOS and Bios Flashback buttons. What could go wrong there when you are reaching behind your computer to plug somethign in?

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rpungello@reddit

Don’t you usually have to hold it for a few seconds?

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kasakka1@reddit

I sure hope so!

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RedditNotFreeSpeech@reddit

That motherboard has more rear IO than OP's mom!

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WWWeirdGuy@reddit

Nice one boss

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CuddleTeamCatboy@reddit

You can always count on Asrock to produce the most niche possible motherboards.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

While true, every one of the major mobo marques fields something like that every other gen. I expect Sapphire to field their first Toxic watercooling mobo next AM5 gen, and it will likely be among the first AM5 boards to support CAMM2.

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kermityfrog2@reddit

Blazing is better than Hyper?

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rpungello@reddit

I think it’s blazing = PCIe 5.0 and hyper = PCIe 4.0.

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RHINO_Mk_II@reddit

Can't wait for atomizing PCIe 6.0

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PANIC_EXCEPTION@reddit

As cool as having a ton of Type-C is, there's an elephant in the room...

5G and 10G RJ-45s? I never thought I would see that on a consumer mobo.

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sprudello@reddit

10USB-C and 5 + 10Gbit RJ45 what's the target group? xD

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rpungello@reddit

Rich people!

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EarlMarshal@reddit

Damn. That's exactly something I would pay a premium for. Same for all those nice m.2 slots.

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rpungello@reddit

It’s $800 iirc, and you need a custom loop to water cool it, and it’s E-ATX (so you need a case that will physically fit it). There was an X570 model, but I don’t think they ever did an X870 one. It might’ve also been limited edition, since they reasonably assumed very few people would spend $800 on a mobo.

Remember also that consumer CPUs have limited PCIe lanes, so all that I/O will be sharing bandwidth. You’re not actually gonna get anywhere near the full 10gb/s on all those ports simultaneously, same with the M.2 slots.

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RECAR77@reddit

so all that I/O will be sharing bandwidth

just to expand a bit on this: all the non TB usb ports on this MB connect to the chipset and occupy ~8 lanes when fully saturated (assuming the usb controllers don't split the bandwidth). then there are 16 lanes worth of pcie and m.2 slots.

and everything has to share the 8 lane DMI of the chipset

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Crimtos@reddit

It is going for $430 now.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

Yeah and for the 400 or more extra you'd get a much better CPU block/standard mobo combo.

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kazuviking@reddit

Nope, amd doesn't have enough pcie slots or native thunderbolt support for it.

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RogueDahtExe@reddit

The way theyre spaced out for usbc to usba adapters tho 🤩

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chaosthebomb@reddit

I love how they advertise usb flashback with a picture of a usb A drive but have no where to plug it in on the rear near the flashback button.

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VampiroMedicado@reddit

USB A? Don't know them.

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jmlinden7@reddit

You can use an external dongle lol

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Dreamerlax@reddit

I like it!

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Hara-K1ri@reddit

Most peripherals are still USB-A. Glad to clear that up.

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Apprehensive-Box-8@reddit

Because the standard user would expect a USB-C port to be a fully fledged AIO thunderbolt + DisplayPort combined port, which then would only work with integrated graphics. Dedicated GPUs would need their own port to work as a display-port solution.

So, without that, your USB-C ports become data and power ports only, where type-a and type-c differ in the was that USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 is exclusive to type C, while 3.2 Gen2 also exists in Type A.

You will not find many of either, because there are simply not enough PCIe lanes for that. People are already using 20/24 lanes for the gpu and one ssd. Leaves enough for one Gen 2x2 Type-C. Manufactures prioritize „normal“ USB 3.1 and M2-slots on the chipset then, because if you added another 6 gen 2x2, they would bottleneck each other anyways. Hence: better to add 6-10 normal type-a for peripherals and another 2 ssd-slots.

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plissk3n@reddit

Because the standard user would expect a USB-C port to be a fully fledged AIO thunderbolt + DisplayPort

You are wrong!

I am way more tech savvy than the standard user and also tried to plug in a monitor into the USB C of my motherboard last week.

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Stingray88@reddit

Can’t agree with this argument. Every motherboard I’ve ever owned since USB 3.0 came out still came with some USB 2.0 only ports. My current motherboard has 4 USB 3.2 10Gbps, 2 USB 3.0 5Gbps, and 4 USB 2.0. Not every port needs to be fully fledged, people are able to figure it out just fine.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

It's better for some (actually quite good) mice and keyboards for one thing.

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Stingray88@reddit

But that’s not really the point. The point is having more USB C and less USB A, not getting rid of USB 2.0. We can still have plenty of USB 2.0 ports that are USB C.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

I'm going to be plain, unless the VRM cooling vents through there or something, I prefer bigger, more rugged ports.

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Stingray88@reddit

And I prefer smaller, reversible (in two ways), single standard ports, that are rugged enough.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

My last PC was under intensive use from 2018 up until last year. I see the advantages of USB-c, but for a mobo or chassis application, outside of a token one or two for use cases that need the juice or Thunderbolt, the majority should be the more durable and reliable spec.

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Apprehensive-Box-8@reddit

That’s the point. If it doesn’t need to be Gen 2x2, it doesn’t need to be Type-C. In those cases Type-A is sufficient and if someone really needs to plug in a Type-C peripheral, they usually come with an adapter.

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Stingray88@reddit

But that’s missing the point. USB C is a superior connector for a number of reasons, and I would gladly replace most of the USB A ports on my motherboard with USB C, even if a lot of them are still USB 2.0.

I don’t want to use adapters for USB C peripherals. I want to just move on from USB A. This is one thing Apple sadly gets right. For those who want to stay in the past on legacy connectors, they can use adapter… everyone else can move on to a better port.

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RECAR77@reddit

USB C is a superior connector for a number of reasons

let's see:

reversible connector? Definitely very useful on a plug i'm gonna remove every 1-2 years at most
rated for more insertion/extraction cycles? See above
rated for more power? Motherboards aren't equipped to supply dozens of watts through their usb ports and even if they were, desktop devices that require that much power would always use separate power supplies anyway since they might also be connected to a laptop or other lower powered device.
rated for more speed? Redundant since we are talking about converting usb2A ports to C

Anything I'm forgetting?

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Stingray88@reddit

Yeah. Not having a mix of ports, cables, peripherals on two different standards and thus the need for adapters… instead of just having it so on one universal standard.

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RECAR77@reddit

Not having a mix of ports,

Even if everything went to usb c that would not go away. You would still end up with different connectors, rated for different throughputs and power.

cables

Ah yes, going to usb c will definitely solve the issue of current usb c cables being rated for different speeds and power...

peripherals

Good news: most peripherals already are usb c on the peripheral end. They just don't benefit from having usb c on the motherboard end

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Stingray88@reddit

Even if everything went to usb c that would not go away. You would still end up with different connectors, rated for different throughputs and power.

Sure, but this was already the case with even just USB A. I have 5 different types of USB A ports on my motherboard, with different capabilities!

But it’s still simpler than having two completely different physical ports.

Ah yes, going to usb c will definitely solve the issue of current usb c cables being rated for different speeds and power...

That’s up to what you buy.

Good news: most peripherals already are usb c on the peripheral end. They just don't benefit from having usb c on the motherboard end

Yeah, so now you’ve got a cable that’s not reversible. That’s not good news at all.

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RECAR77@reddit

but this was already the case with even just USB A

So you agree that switching to usb c wouldn't bring an improvement in this regard

But it’s still simpler than having two completely different physical ports.

Please confirm that "I have difficulties differentiating two physically very different ports" is an argument you want to make

That’s up to what you buy.

Not a strong argument against buying usb a to c cables

Yeah, so now you’ve got a cable that’s not reversible. That’s not good news at all.

What's the benefit of being able to reverse a cable that I routed and cablemanaged once and hopefully not have to touch again for the next years?

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Stingray88@reddit

So you agree that switching to usb c wouldn't bring an improvement in this regard

No. And I ahead explained this. It’s still simpler to have one port type.

Please confirm that "I have difficulties differentiating two physically very different ports" is an argument you want to make

No, that’s not an argument I want to make, nor is that even remotely what I said. Preferring things to be simpler doesn’t imply I struggle with it, and you’re being unnecessarily passive aggressive suggesting this.

I didn’t struggle when my iPhone and AirPods still had lightning jacks, where as my MacBook and Steamdeck were both USB C. But boy was I happier when it was all USB C and I could use the same charger and cables for all four of them.

Not a strong argument against buying usb a to c cables

Only needing to keep one set of cables that work for everything is a very strong argument actually. And that’s exactly what I’ve been working towards in my life.

What's the benefit of being able to reverse a cable that I routed and cablemanaged once and hopefully not have to touch again for the next years?

You do realize that not every peripheral plugged into a desktop gets plugged in one once and never touched again, right?

You need to consider use cases outside your own.

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RECAR77@reddit

But boy was I happier when it was all USB C and I could use the same charger and cables for all four of them.

I never argued against having only usb c ports on the peripheral side. I'm arguing that having usb c on the charging brick/PC doesn't matter.

You do realize that not every peripheral plugged into a desktop gets plugged in one once and never touched again, right?

You need to consider use cases outside your own.

you genuinely have to explain this other usecase to me because I can't think of it. for laptops? sure. for handheld/mobile devices? fine. But on a desktop? For the peripherals that move and have to be connected to my PC I have 2 cables already connected and routed to a convenient place that I can connect stuff to temporarily. and if I need to connect these peripherals somewhere else I take a spare cable with me. what reason is there to regularly disconnect a cable at the pc end?

Although ultimately I believe no matter your answer, both mine AND your use case are so far removed from the average user who owns a mouse, a keyboard and a cable to connect their phone that it makes no difference. the reason there aren't more usb c ports on motherboards is cost and demand. if enthusiasts (you) don't buy the expensive mainboards with more usb Cs because they are to expensive or other enthusiast (me) don't buy them because they keep clinging to their old hardware/peripherals there isn't gonna be any change in demand and manufacturing.

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Stingray88@reddit

I never argued against having only usb c ports on the peripheral side. I'm arguing that having usb c on the charging brick/PC doesn't matter.

And I’m arguing that it does matter.

USB A to C would be sufficient to charge my iPhone and AirPods. It would not be sufficient to charge my MacBook and Steamdeck. Having one set of universal cables that works for all of them, all USB C, is really nice. I don’t want to carry two different kinds of cables (USB C, and USB A/C).

you genuinely have to explain this other usecase to me because I can't think of it. for laptops? sure. for handheld/mobile devices? fine. But on a desktop? For the peripherals that move and have to be connected to my PC I have 2 cables already connected and routed to a convenient place that I can connect stuff to temporarily. and if I need to connect these peripherals somewhere else I take a spare cable with me. what reason is there to regularly disconnect a cable at the pc end?

Gaming HTPC with various gaming peripherals? Workstation where it’s common to plug in different kinds of devices and drives? Not hard to come up with examples.

Although ultimately I believe no matter your answer, both mine AND your use case are so far removed from the average user who owns a mouse, a keyboard and a cable to connect their phone that it makes no difference.

The examples I listed aren’t that far removed from the average user.

the reason there aren't more usb c ports on motherboards is cost and demand. if enthusiasts (you) don't buy the expensive mainboards with more usb Cs because they are to expensive or other enthusiast (me) don't buy them because they keep clinging to their old hardware/peripherals there isn't gonna be any change in demand and manufacturing.

Eh, wouldn’t be the first time manufacturers are out of touch. You give them too much credit.

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RECAR77@reddit

It would not be sufficient to charge my MacBook and Steamdeck.

ok, I concede the powerbrick aspect but not the PC aspect. especially since I already talked about why adding high wattage charging hardware to motherboards is unrealistic.

Gaming HTPC with various gaming peripherals? Workstation where it’s common to plug in different kinds of devices and drives? Not hard to come up with examples.

you just named types of PCs you can connect peripherals to? that's neither a usecase nor a reason to to regularly disconnect a cable at the pc end.

but let me rephrase my unanswered question for those two examples:

HTPC: I assume you mean that you take your (wireless?) gaming peripherals (and corresponding dongles) and switch them between desktop and HTPC as needed? why not use an extension cable for both PCs so that you don't have to reach around to the rear i.O. of both PCs which is both more convenient and has lower latency? and if the peripherals are wired, what reason is there to regularly disconnect a cable at the pc end when you can have (extension-)cables at both PCs?
(and if you use your HTPC like a laptop and move it a lot then you are only going to be using 2-3 peripherals and only using them as a set so it doesn't matter which cables you use (also very rare usecase))
Workstation: if you regularly connect "different kinds of devices and drives" what reason is there to regularly disconnect a cable at the pc end when you can have however many cables you regularly need already routed to an accessible space so that you can easily and conveniently connect and disconnect your devices?

The examples I listed aren’t that far removed from the average user.

having multiple PCs/gaming setups at home? having a workstation? how often do you leave your echo chamber?

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Stingray88@reddit

ok, I concede the powerbrick aspect but not the PC aspect. especially since I already talked about why adding high wattage charging hardware to motherboards is unrealistic.

Again, it’s about needing to have less types of cables, not necessarily needing to every single Type C port on the desktop fully capable of what Type C can deliver.

Can’t you imagine a world where just have one cable can work for all your needs? Whether it’s 40Gbps 240w or 480Mbps 5w… the same single cable. It’s convenient.

you just named types of PCs you can connect peripherals to? that's neither a usecase nor a reason to to regularly disconnect a cable at the pc end.

…I literally named use cases dude. Come on…

but let me rephrase my unanswered question rly disconnect a cable at the pc end when you can have however many cables you regularly need already routed to an accessible space so that you can easily and conveniently connect and disconnect your devices?

The examples I listed aren’t that far removed from the average user.

having multiple PCs/gaming setups at home? having a workstation? how often do you leave your echo chamber?

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RECAR77@reddit

It’s convenient.

and expensive

work from home

you know that using your company supplied laptop at home for work office tasks doesn't make it a workstation.

You’re not actually listening to what I’m saying

the feeling is mutual:

It was answered.

what reason is there to regularly connect/disconnect a cable at the pc end of a desktop pc?

a specific usecase, a specific device, why do you have to regularly reach to the rear i.O. to remove it? why can't the cable stay when you remove the device?

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Stingray88@reddit

and expensive

No it’s not.

you know that using your company supplied laptop at home for work office tasks doesn't make it a workstation.

We’re talking about desktops. You do realize some people work from home on desktops, and aren’t necessarily supplied by a company… right?

the feeling is mutual:

It shouldn’t be.

what reason is there to regularly connect/disconnect a cable at the pc end of a desktop pc?

a specific usecase, a specific device, why do you have to regularly reach to the rear i.O. to remove it? why can't the cable stay when you remove the device?

Maybe because the cable doesn’t remove from the device. Maybe because it’s not your cable. Maybe specialized equipment where it’s USB C on the one end, and a proprietary connector on the other. Working in my field, I’ve had all of those scenarios happen, while working from home on my personal workstation that I use for freelance work.

I’ve answered this question. If you don’t find my answers sufficient, that’s not my problem.

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raymondamantius@reddit

Relevant xkcd

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Stingray88@reddit

Exactly lol. And the very reason that’s relevant is because people can’t move the heck on!

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Thotaz@reddit

USB C is a superior connector for a number of reasons

It's far less sturdy. If you plug in a USB A device you can shake the device, put strain on the cable and not worry about the connection dropping. The same can't be said for a USB C port. Frankly I'm a little annoyed that my Surface Pro 8 only has USB C ports. The older models had a USB A port and I'd happily trade a slight bit of thickness to get that back.

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Stingray88@reddit

It's far less sturdy.

Less, sure. But it’s more than sturdy enough to the point it doesn’t matter.

If you plug in a USB A device you can shake the device, put strain on the cable and not worry about the connection dropping. The same can't be said for a USB C port.

But the same can be said for USB C to a more than acceptable level.

Again, yes, I will agree in a torture test of this exact described scenario USB C would fail before USB A. But, that’s not reality, that’s just a torture test, designed to find the failure point. Under realistic scenarios this just isn’t an issue at all, and if it is for you I’d ask why you’re putting unreasonable amounts of strain on your cables so often.

Frankly I'm a little annoyed that my Surface Pro 8 only has USB C ports. The older models had a USB A port and I'd happily trade a slight bit of thickness to get that back.

While I’m a PC desktop builder and always will be… my laptops, both at work and home, are always Macs. I haven’t had USB A ports on my laptops for a decade now and I don’t miss it at all.

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trueppp@reddit

Go work in IT, it's not sturdy enough. Failed USB-C ports is just about a weekly occurance.

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Stingray88@reddit

I’ve worked in IT. People are just careless.

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trueppp@reddit

And? If your port fails during normal use, the port is badly designed.

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Stingray88@reddit

Your laptop will probably break if you drop it off a second story balcony. Does that mean it’s poorly designed?

No. Of course it doesn’t. There are reasonable limits to what we need devices to be able to withstand, without going overboard. Not everyone realistically needs a Panasonic Toughbook… most people are just fine with normal laptops, with normal USB C ports and never have any issues. Of course there exist some people at any company who probably should be forced to use a Toughbook… those people don’t need to ruin it for the rest of us.

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trueppp@reddit

Sorry, I didn't know plugging and unplugging a laptop was not considered "normal use"

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Stingray88@reddit

USB C does not fail just from plugging and unplugging. Don’t be unreasonable.

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Bexexexe@reddit

I mean, define "acceptable level", "realistic scenarios", and "unreasonable amounts of strain". Accidents happen and cable stresses are inevitable. It's not good to accept and normalise reductions in durability, not just as a baseline in terms of promoting component lifespan and reducing waste but doubly so when we look at the ballooning costs of computing hardware.

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Stingray88@reddit

It can be defined as “not remotely an issue for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of circumstances”.

Of course reductions in durability for no added benefit would not be good to accept… but that’s not the case here. Compromises were made for good reasons, and the compromises were just fine.

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Thotaz@reddit

With USB A I have been able plug in an external SSD and let it dangle off the side of my home server for months at a time as I used it as a boot drive. On my Surface Pro 3 I've similarly been able to plug in an external drive and let it dangle off the side while I move from one room to another. I don't have enough faith in the USB C connection to do the same.
On my SP8 I've had my USB A ethernet dongle disconnect from slight movement (connected to my SP8 via USB C adapters). Maybe it's just the adapters that are bad, but that's still a point in favor of USB A because the baseline of sturdiness is higher so there's tolerance for poor manufacturing.

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Stingray88@reddit

With USB A I have been able plug in an external SSD and let it dangle off the side of my home server for months at a time as I used it as a boot drive. On my Surface Pro 3 I've similarly been able to plug in an external drive and let it dangle off the side while I move from one room to another. I don't have enough faith in the USB C connection to do the same.

I’ve literally done the same with USB C and it hasn’t been an issue.

On my SP8 I've had my USB A ethernet dongle disconnect from slight movement (connected to my SP8 via USB C adapters). Maybe it's just the adapters that are bad, but that's still a point in favor of USB A because the baseline of sturdiness is higher so there's tolerance for poor manufacturing.

Could be an issue of the ports on the surface. I haven’t had connection issues on Macs.

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comelickmyarmpits@reddit

Don't agree with last comment, laptops comes with dgpu and connect over pci 4/5 x16 as well there. And yet have multiple thunderbolt ports , with usb a etc

This is when cpu in laptops already starve more for pci lanes

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RECAR77@reddit

Most laptops don't have more than 2 thunderbolt ports and if they do then they don't have a dGPU. And even when they have two they usually run through the same controller and share bandwidth.

Laptop cpus can have a lot of pcie lanes. Ryzen 8000/9000hx has the same 28pcie5 lanes as ryzen 9000. (I know that's a niche pick but that would be the type a cpu you would connect a gpu with the claimed x16 link. Most laptop CPUs only have 16ish lanes but connect the gpu only via x8)

Sure, you can put 10 thunderbolt ports on a desktop. You will just have to connect at least 8 of them through the same 4 lanes of the chipset.

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2c-glen@reddit

Yeah, that's why most motherboards have USB A ports only, it's what most desktop accessories use. Simplicity.

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Hanselltc@reddit

Nothing plugs into them on a desktop

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Due-Inspector3084@reddit

I felt the same way, and then realized I have no need for USB-C other than plugging in my phone or action cam that would support USB-C power and speeds.

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turbotronik@reddit

This is circular though. Apple removing USB-A from their laptops is a significant part of how it has become so ubiquitous - so long as desktops still have a ton of USB-A, mice etc. will keep coming with it.

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Haunting-Public-23@reddit

Apple removing USB-A from their laptops is a significant part of how it has become so ubiquitous - so long as desktops still have a ton of USB-A, mice etc. will keep coming with it.

When Apple removes USB-A ports on their last Mac with it, the Mac Studio, then the clock starts ticking on PC desktops.

I expect PS/2 ports gone by 2030s.

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Az1234er@reddit

other than plugging in my phone or action cam that would support USB-C power and speeds.

And even then, you can have them on the PC case which are more accessible than the Mobo

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wickedplayer494@reddit

I just want the perfect front I/O selection of a Corsair Obsidian 1000D (4 USB-A + 2 USB-C), but without its fuckass huge size. And while I don't mind RGB, I don't deem it a necessity on USB ports of all things.

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Nstorm24@reddit

No thanks. Id rather keep a plug that can be used with almost any device than to limit myself with the usage of usb c.

Right now every usb device on my desktop is usb A. Aside from an external hard drive.

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T_rex2700@reddit

If it were that simple, but I am not actually a huge fan of USB-C on things that don't need to be.

It is physically less robust, the negotiation and compatibliity is far more simple with USB-A, and most devices do not need 24 pins for contact.

I personally think there should be more USB-C ports available, at least 2 idealy, but I doubt the controller would be able to handle much more, hence the reason why we only see TB and high-speed USB at higher end boards, and maybe 20Gbps port on midrange borads.

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Vexiong@reddit

Stingray is fighting for his life in these comments

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fieryfox654@reddit

Love the people saying to get rid of USB A. They have no clue if it had USB C the companies would make stuff more expensive since USB C is more expensive to make than USB A. Also I like to have both, thanks.

With that said I am proud to have a CM HAF 932 case from 2008 where one of the 5.25 bays is has 4 USB 3.0 and one USB C while my motherboard has 6 USB A and a USB C.

And if I could feel like it, I can just add another 5.25 bay with USB C. Old is gold :)

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BelgianDudeInDenmark@reddit

I have 8 things plugged in the back of my pc.

All usb-a

2 keyboard plug, mouse plug, mousemat plug, Webcam, microphone, headphone wireless dongle, steamdeck. (All bought after 2020)

I have one USB c port on the back and thats where I connect my phone to once in a while with c to c cable. (Very rarely)

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FitCress7497@reddit

I have 1 C port on my mobo and the only use for it is a dock for more USB-A ports. No thanks you can keep yours

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juhotuho10@reddit

Chicken and egg problem with existing devices

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oo7demonkiller@reddit

usb c especially 40gbps ones usually use pcie lanes. having too many will do the same thing as having 2 gpus or all nvme slots filled. it will split the lanes your gpu slot uses in half hampering performance.

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Tinki_w@reddit

my motherboard has 1 usb c and i cannot for the life of me figure out what i would use this port for on a desktop computer but I'm sure as hell missing a few more usb a

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Clear-Tennis1662@reddit

i cannot for the life of me figure out what i would use this port for on a desktop computer

You use it for the only thing it's worth using: an USB dongle/dockstation for more USB-A ports.

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rklrkl64@reddit

A USB C port that can do both PD charging and data on a desktop is actually quite useful. Firstly, you can charge a myriad of USB C devices (phones, tablets, laptops, Steam Deck etc) with an appropriate USB C to USB C cable, which could also be used for data transfer between devices too.

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froop@reddit

usb-A can do all that too, or the many, many chargers I have in the vicinity of my desktop

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pandaSmore@reddit

USB-A ports aren't really meant for charging. IIRC they only go up to 1.5A. They don't support Quick Charge unless it is a specialized port. Typically orange with a lightning bolt.

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airfryerfuntime@reddit

Because the desktop PC industry is stuck in the stone age.

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Rich_Artist_8327@reddit

Look for examp ryzen CPU specs, you get your answer

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DayGeckoArt@reddit

I agree and also don't understand why so few USB A ports on most boards. Who decided NVME drives needed FOUR PCIE LANES when TWO would have been plenty? Modern processors have limited lanes and most are wasted on storage, and we've lost USB ports and PCIE slots vs a decade ago

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FalconX88@reddit

I agree and also don't understand why so few USB A ports on most boards.

Few? A like 150€ pretty basic board gives you something like 7-9 USB-A and 1-3 USB-C ports. Your case gives you usually another 2 USB-A and 1-2 USB-C ports.

Like what you are doing so you don't have enough ports? Even without using any bluetooth peripherals, if you plug in your keyboard, mouse, headphones, webcam, controller, streamdeck, and a microphone, you are still left with enough ports to connect your phone or use an external drive or USB stick.

I've heard this wish for more USB ports so many times and not one did I get a good answer on what people are actually doing. Are there a few edge cases (VR Setup with base stations or some creazy sim setup) where you need a lot of them? Sure. But 99% of people should be more than fine with two handfull of ports. So do you like plug in 10 external drives permanently or what?

Who decided NVME drives needed FOUR PCIE LANES when TWO would have been plenty?

two wouldn't be plenty. Your typical PCIe 4 NVMe drive does 5-7.5 GB/s in read, a single PCIe 4 lane does 2 GB/s. Having only 2 lanes would throttle the drive.

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DayGeckoArt@reddit

The problem isn't just the number of USB ports, but also which are 3.0 vs 2.0 and which are on the back vs front panel. I have an Alienware R11 which has a relatively high number of USB ports. I case swapped to a Cooler Master Qube 540 with the front panel ports on top where I use them mainly for USB hard drives and SD card readers. So no peripherals are plugged into those. On the rear I have 6x 2.0 ports, 4x 3.0 ports, and 1 USB-C 3.0 port. On the 2.0 ports I have: keyboard, mouse, joystick, iPhone cable for backup. On the 3.0 ports I have: Webcam, Stream Deck, mic, and often a backup HD. So that leaves a couple USB 2.0 ports which are useless for anything I'd connect, and one C port.

The typical motherboard has fewer rear ports! There are even some Asus and MSI boards with 4 USB ports. Oh but they have a billion NVME slots with 4x PCIE lanes each because for some reason people need to transfer massive amounts of data from one gumstick size device to another at 5000 gigabits per second constantly. It's utterly insane!

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Keulapaska@reddit

and we've lost USB ports

No we haven't, 8 rear(including C) is basically the ATX minimum these days, the b650/b850 livemixer has 14.

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Omniwar@reddit

Have we really lost USB? It feels like most have plenty. A decade ago was Z170. For example on midrange boards like MSI Z170/B850 Tomahawk, that went from 7 Type A & 1 Type C to 7A/3C and gained a huge amount of USB bandwidth along the way.

There were definitely some boards from that era with huge numbers of USB ports (like X99 Deluxe/X370 Crosshair), but options exist today too like for example Asus X870E-E/Z890-E w/ 10A/4C or on the lower end such as Asrock B850 Pro w/ 8A/2C.

I definitely agree that the NVME slot count doesn't match the lanes the CPU can actually provide though. Almost every ATX motherboard has 4-6 NVMe where for half of them you need to consult the poorly written manual to make sure it wont take your graphics lanes.

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Rassilon83@reddit

USB A ports are way more durable, there’s no reason switching to C for gaming keyboards and mice at the very least

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pandaSmore@reddit

USB-A ports aren't really meant for charging. IIRC they only go up to 1.5A. They don't support Quick Charge unless it is a specialized port. Typically orange with a lightning bolt.

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pandaSmore@reddit

Personally I don't need a lot of USB C ports. All my peripherals are USB A. I didn't go out and buy new ones when USB C was released. The only thing I have that utilitises USB C is a flash drive and my phone, but that's not even USB 3 anyway.

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InflammableAccount@reddit

Backwards compatibility and cost. USB-C wasn't designed to replace USB 2.0, it was designed as USB 3.2 and beyond. And most things we plug in with USB don't need bandwidth beyond 2.0. So, cost.

Anywho, the board you want already exists. And it's niche. And it's expensive. 10x USB-C in the rear.

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kuddlesworth9419@reddit

There are a lot of devices that use USB Type A.

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hopscotch1997@reddit

If you have multiple PCIe slots you can add more.

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webjunk1e@reddit

Well, it's really two questions of why aren't there more ports with a USB-C connector type, and why aren't there more ports with USB 3.2 gen2x2 or better that most people associate USB-C with.

In truth, every port could use a USB-C connector type, but the vast majority of peripherals, especially legacy ones, use USB-A, simply because they don't need higher specs than USB-A can support. Take something like a mouse or keyboard. While it could come with a USB-C connector, it would be a complete waste of a port that actually supports at least most of the USB spec that USB-C enables. And, it's a bit of a chicken and egg scenario. USB-C just isn't used for ports that only support something like USB 2.0, which is more than sufficient for these kind of peripherals, so forcing the user to use one of their few USB-C ports would actually suck. They could, I guess, provide adapters, so you could choose to connect via USB-A or USB-C, but that adds to the BOM of the product, and again, just isn't necessary.

In terms, of what most people actually associate USB-C with (20Gbps+, DP alt-mode, USB-C PW, etc.), that requires extra, higher grade hardware, and uses an often already scarce resource: PCIe lanes. A single USB host controller can manage 4 or more USB-A ports, but often as few as one USB-C. Now, again, USB-A or USB-C is just the connector type, so, you could theoretically use USB-C for a bunch of USB 2.0 ports and not run into the same limits, but this would actually create a lot of confusion. It already exists even for USB-A, as you'll often have some that are USB 2.0 and some that are USB-3.0, and you can have a bad time if you plug the wrong device into the wrong one. Going universal USB-C would just aggravate this to the extreme. Can you imagine having to determine which of your USB-C ports on your PC can only really be used for a keyboard or mouse, and which can be used to connect an entire Thunderbolt dock? It would be a nightmare.

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prometaSFW@reddit

On the port confusion, this is entirely the USB-IF’s fault. The same problem occurs with USBC cables where different cables have different power and transfer speed, chosen at the whim of the maker.

If would have been easy to have USB-C, USB-C Pro, USB-C Ultra, and USB-C Power only instead of 3, 3.1, 3.2 3.3x2 etc. They got it right making USB 3.0 ports blue. USBC can be black, Pro can be yellow and Ultra can be red. Power only ports would only be on chargers. Cable ends can either match port colors or have words.

That would also get rid of cable confusion. I had to start hand labeling my cables so I didn’t have to guess which one would charge my laptop or connect to my portable monitor.

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tshawkins@reddit

Usb-c ports are less robust than usb-a ports, most usb ports are surface mount soldered to the devices pcb. A usb-a is much larger and has more surface area to form the bond. Usb-c ports have a nasty habit of sheering off the pcb if they are placed under frequent stress. micro/mini usb ports and mini/micro hdmi ports have the same problem.

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trueppp@reddit

Because USB-A ports are more mechanicaly solid. I get at least 1 laptop per month with broken USB-C ports but maybe 1 broken USB-A port per year.

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LiliaBlossom@reddit

I paid a premium for an X870E board, just to have 3 USB C on the back, enough M2 slots, no more ancient USB 2.0, and other tidbits that used to be standard like a Debug LED, Clear CMOS button on the back etc. 330€ lol.

Midrange mainboards just aren‘t cutting it in that regard…

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tes_kitty@reddit

I bet your board still has USB2 ports, just not on the I/O shield but on pin headers on the board which can be made usable by buying a slot cover with 4 USB2 ports.

Oh, and your board was cheap... I wanted mine to be X870E but also still have a PS/2 port for the keyboard i have been using for decades now. That did up the price quite a bit.

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LiliaBlossom@reddit

yep it does, one of them is plugged tho by the cable of my Hx1000i PSU, for iCue.

But I didn‘t want any USB 2 on the rear, I also don‘t think the slot covers are aesthetically pleasing in my build. Oh wow, PS/2 ports are ancient nowadays. My old Z270 board had one, and I thought it was kinda unnecessary, but seems like people are still using it

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tes_kitty@reddit

The keyboard I'm using is so old that it has a 5pin DIN plug and an AT/PC switch. I already need a DIN to PS/2 adapter to be able to use it. Also has no windows keys.... But I like it and it works perfectly.

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EstoyMejor@reddit

People here really need to go in themselves and just ask "Is USB C at some point in the future going to replace USB A Entirely?"

If you answer yes, then why not do it now? If you answer no, you are delusional.

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skinlo@reddit

Most people don't need them?

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GroupSoliloquy@reddit

My guess is generally usb c ports are higher bandwidth. There is only so much bandwidth to go around on a given CPI/chipset combo. Motherboard manufacturers have to make the judgement call between fewer higher bandwidth ports and more lower bandwidth ports. They try to strike a balance.

You don’t like the balance they struck, so you have a few options.

Pay a premium for someone who is taking the risk of a board with more usb c
Use expansion cards in PCIe slots ( the board manufacturer gave you this bandwidth to allocate yourself
Wait. Time and markets will push motherboards in this direction and new chipsets will allow for more bandwidth to be allocated to I/O

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Aztaloth@reddit

USB type c is the connector type. 2.0, 3.0, 3.2, etc is the speed and bandwidth.

I am with OP. I feel that there should be mostly USB type C ports of various speeds with only 1 or 2 usb type A ports for legacy devices.

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GroupSoliloquy@reddit

Yup, connector does not equal transmission standard. And I’m with OP too, I want more usb c ports on motherboards. Something to consider though is it would be confusing to the average consumer that one usb c is less bandwidth than another usb c port on the same motherboard.

Everyone here is an enthusiast, but we don’t drive the market. We’re a niche. We understand what our peripherals need for bandwidth and pull a manual out to check before we plug it in. But I buy a new motherboard every 5 years or so. A business buys 5000 a year, and Bill in accounting who still does the accounts receivable by hand isn’t going to stand for his new webcam not working.

I put most of the blame on the USB standards body. They have created such a convoluted USB standard that I still need to look at a chart a couple times to figure out what the hell works with what. Not very universal.

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Due_Young_9344@reddit

this is exactly what I was thinking, the bandwidth limitations, so they stick in a ton of USB-A (most of which are not being used)

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

USB A to C adaptors work fairly well.

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Gloriathewitch@reddit

because most people are still on A or only have a couple of typec so far

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fifty_four@reddit

What makes you think I can plug in a USBA in less than 4 tries?

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BoiledFrogs@reddit

It should take you 3.

Plug it in the right way but somehow doesn't work, plug it in the wrong way, then flip it around and the right way will work this time.

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jaypizzl@reddit

Why are PC cases so limited, too? I have an otherwise great Lian Li 217, a huge case for performance enthusiasts. It’s a well-engineered beast with lots of thoughtful touches, yet it has one single 20 gbps USB-c port. Those were becoming standard five years ago already. There’s no way to upgrade it. There’s no way to have any more built-in USB-c ports. The vast majority of cases are like that - some have one or two modern ports, but they’re all un-expanable and un-upgradeable. It’s great that some motherboard options with lots of modern ports exist, at least, but when they’re all poking out the back of a hulking case, they remain really inconvenient.

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This_Maintenance_834@reddit

usb type c as in the most up to form has 4 high speed differential part, it is as complicated as pci-e bus. the cpu don’t have that many native usb ports, and also routing the traces is quite difficult to begin with. it does not help either that the usb type c connector’s pinout is illu defined, very unfriendly to pcb routing. 240W usb-pd also don’t make things easier.

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Specific_Frame8537@reddit

What I want is more USB-A ports.

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AnechoidalChamber@reddit

I have an AM5 platform ( 7800X3D ) and there are 6 peripherals plugged into USB-A ports, not counting my USB flash drives.

Number of USB-C ports used right now = zero.

No thanks!

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fakeaccount572@reddit

I mean, OP is just objectively wrong. I have what I would consider a high end mother board, and I count no fewer than 5 high speed USB-C

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rklrkl64@reddit

A fair number of wired mice, keyboards and USB sticks are still sold with only USB-A, so they are still a necessary port for desktops and laptops (and why the Macbook Neo scores a fail in the ports dept by only having USB-C...and bewilderingly one of those is USB 2 speed!). I do agree there should be more USB-C ports on machines - at least one should allow for PD charging and they should all be USB 3 speed at a minimum and there should be at least one at the top or front of the case if it's a desktop.

If you still use USB sticks, I recommend getting one with a dual connector that provides USB-C on one end and USB-A on the other - that way, it'll plug into anything!

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Goodyes666@reddit

excuse me I have 39 karma points but hardware all time says me I have -6 karma comment points and unable to post. Can anyone help me ?

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pit_supervisor@reddit

I much prefer USB-A for peripherals. Much more solid connector

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TurtlePaul@reddit

People get upset when they plug a USB-C cable in and the display doesn’t turn on, the bandwidth is too low for the device or the device won’t start charging.

When you have a USB-C port people just expect everything to work. It is easy for a laptop that has two ports (although the new Macbook Neo has a runt port that has USB 2.0 speeds with no display output).

On a motherboard they can only make 1-2 ports have high speed data and display, and none of the ports can do high power. Therefore motherboards use USB-A ports which everyone intuitively understands it will just deliver to do USB 3.0 bandwidth. Nobody expects displays or power delivery to work on those.

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Stingray88@reddit

Can’t agree with this argument. Every motherboard I’ve ever owned since USB 3.0 came out still came with some USB 2.0 only ports. My current motherboard has 4 USB 3.2 10Gbps, 2 USB 3.0 5Gbps, and 4 USB 2.0. Not every port needs to be fully fledged, people are able to figure it out just fine.

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RECAR77@reddit

Difference is that with USB A you are able to figure it out by looking at it. Black or white piece of plastic in the connector? Must be USB 2. Blue piece of plastic? At least USB3.

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Stingray88@reddit

That color scheme is actually not as universal as you think it is. But regardless, that’s what symbols are for… It’s easy to just label a port as 2.0 or 3.0, etc.

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Nicholas_Matt_Quail@reddit

Transitions in tech are always very slow in Western cultures. It takes decades. In contrary, in Asia, they're very fast. I could buy the micro USB cable anywhere in China and in Singapore on 2018-2019. It was hard buying headphones and mice with a cable as well. A lot of the local, new notebooks, which are terrible, in general, already come with just the USB C ports. The same with chargers, it's hard finding one with USB A socket but if you can, then it's still got at least one USB C.

It's the same with new tech on a bigger scale, like new generation of maglev trains, new monorail technologies, even the concrete technologies for building slabs and foundations. This is my area of science, Iveygot a PhD in this and I'm always shocked how far behind with adoption of those technologies that were invented in the West, the Western world actually is.

So - it's too slow in the West, too fast in Asia, ideal would be somewhere in between since both of those cultural tendencies are bothersome in their own ways.

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Xera1@reddit

USB C's advantages are, for 99% of people, the size and reverisibility. Both essentially pointless benefits on the back of a PC. On the other hand, USB C ports are fragile as fuck and you're likely to break the port instead of the cable if it gets knocked.

Why are you so mad about this lol? Your comments about "pc bros defending USB A in 2050" are nuts.

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RScrewed@reddit

I remember building PCs as a teen in the year 2000.

I did want new ports, but never did I wish they "got rid of old ports" nor thought they "should".

The new gen is a weird breed. Apple really won hearts and minds didn't they? Really sad.

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Stingray88@reddit

They’re really not arguing to get rid of the old ports, they’re asking to simply get more of the new ports.

And there’s nothing sad about wanting to move onto a better standard.

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Stingray88@reddit

100% agreed. What you’re suggesting isn’t crazy in the slightest.

Motherboards absolutely should have more USB C ports, new mice, keyboards and other peripherals absolutely should be switching over to USB C by now. There should still be USB A ports on desktops… but like… 4-6 max, not 10-12. We need way, way more USB C.

And there can always be particular models of motherboards with way more legacy ports for those who want them… but the fact that there are so few prioritizing USB C in 2026 is ridiculous.

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THXFLS@reddit

USB-C ports are largely for docks and dongles to add ports desktop motherboards already have natively. Unless you need to either transfer data or power quickly, there's not much reason to. The x870e version of my X570 board traded a bunch of As for two more Cs, and if I upgraded I'd have to get a USB hub to plug in all my stuff.

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Deathnote_Blockchain@reddit

Well how many USB-C ports does your mom have? Because I filled those up.

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reddit_equals_censor@reddit

No mouse or keyboard or controller or DAC/amp dongle in 2026 should be type-A.

you wanna pay for millions of type c to usb-a adapters then?

because my 10 year old backup system and my 10 year old laptop both "only" have usb-c?

alright then please pay up.

99% of wired mice have not easily removable cables. there is like a very small handful of properly implemented wired mice with easily removable cables, BUT those are not usb-c, because the usb-c end is super long and thus can't be used for proper wired mice. proper as in non meme mice, that weigh less than 70 grams and are designed properly.

so will a mouse company use a connector, that they KNOW people will have on the devices, that they will use for it (usb-a), or will they use a cable, that massively limits use cases, requires adapters then for those people, which is an issue and takes away one of the few usb-c ports, that you rightfully point out are limited on even new motherboards and cases.

feel free to make that argument for other devices, but for mice it can not be made.

the argument should be to go towards 50/50 on motherboards and laptops usb-a/usb-c and properly functional usb-c ports of course and not just usb-a bandwidth and power, but now with a usb-c connector.

but mandates on hardware like mice is absurd.

and as a reminder laptops and computers are used for 10+ years. we want them to be useable for 20+ years.

there is nothing inherently wrong with usb-a, unlike for example nvidia's 12 pin fire hazard connector, which should get RECALLED IMMEDIATELY! for being a fire risk.

so we want standards to overlap for a very long time.

so change to 50/50 on laptops and desktops for the next 10 years at minimum.

and then talk about removing usb-a from devices if you want.

and for keyboard/dac+ amp combos a way more crucial thing to state here is, that they are required to have user removable cables for serviceability. this is more important than usb-c vs usb-a on them and the device side should be usb-c, because it is supposedly a stronger connector of course.

and this would help the push for usb-c, because cables die even good ones at times, so then you can replace the usb-c to usb-a, that came with it with a usb-c to usb-c in the future.

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so again i suggest, that you recommend reasonable steps, instead of trying to mandate things, that actually harm consumers, instead of helping them.

a 50/50 push with the next sockets on desktop would be a big enablement for example.

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Asleep-Card3861@reddit

There are double sided usb type A and mini B. I doubt they are standard, but I’ve had some and they work well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/s/Ij2fpuZXMF

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Beneficial_Common683@reddit

Even my 2015 Asus Maximus Impact VIII has USB type-C port, you just happen to don't know how to shop

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alexiao@reddit

They make more money cos we have to buy type-c hubs

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Due-Inspector3084@reddit

conspiracy #tinfoil

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f3n2x@reddit

Because they're cheaper and many people buy large cheap boards with "more stuff" so the manufacturers put everything that's cheap on there. That's why many boards had PCI (not PCIe), serial, parallel and PS/2 connectors for like 10+ years after they became pretty much irrelevant.

Btw. the right orientation for USB-A is upside of the stick/cable (with the logo) pointing away from the PCB.

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PhantomNomad@reddit

I wish there was a better connection. I'm tired of users plugging in any USB device in to a laptop then they move wrong or tip the laptop and break the port. It's pretty much why I only get wireless devices if possible. Even if they come with a plug in receiver its usually small enough not to get bent.

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gomurifle@reddit

I rarely use USB C peripherals on my desktop and rarely need to cross polinate USB C stuff from my phone and laptop to desktop anyway.

Usually i transfer stuff over cloud service or use an adapter. Granted my desktop motherboard is from the year 2016!! Lol

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roflcopter44444@reddit

>Why the hell are we still using a port that takes 3 tries to plug in in 2026 and is limited to 10Gbps in 99.5% of cases?

Most peoples peripherals don't need more than that bandwidth and wont need it for the foreseeable future.

>No mouse or keyboard or controller or DAC/amp dongle in 2026 should be type-A

USB-C is more expensive to implement (both the port and supporting circuitry). For cheap peripherals there is no point in upgrading.

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drunk_kronk@reddit

I don't have an answer but I'm with you. Laptops with their tiny form factor often have 2 or 3 USB-C ports and most PCs have 1. It's 2026, c'mon! USB-C came out more than a decade ago!

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autogyrophilia@reddit

Because they can act as hubs, you buy your dongle to plug into it, and it is cheaper and more convenient for everyone on the long run.