Collapse this summer? maybe, but I doubt it. What will kill us all will be global heating, but it won't happen to everyone worldwide simultaneously. How will we know when it's our turn, and can we track it? or get an idea how it will "get us"? Just watch the heat-dome(s) track around the globe drying up lakes, rivers, and killing crops, livestock, and people. Heat, flooding, and fire taking out infrastructure will accelerate social breakdown. Give it a couple or few years of exponential worsening.
The world and humanity have gone through brutal challenges for centuries. Today we have exceptional technology that can help us thwart or reverse many of these catastrophes. Survival has always been the greatest motivator for innovation, and I believe the next few decades will be one of our prolific eras as a result of needing to combat these crises.
The collapse community is too f*** pessimistic and too certain of their doom and gloom predictions to want to consider alternatives. This doesn’t mean there won’t be catastrophe and suffering, but we can’t write this off as the end.
This is why I'm just trying to check as many things off my bucket list as I can before shit hits the fan so bad I can't enjoy anything fun in life anymore.
i think the article focused on some 3rd world countries, i think the way it will hit the US and europe is that if 2 people spent $150 a week at the grocery store in 2025 for the basics, it will now be $250 a week in later 2026. also though , some things will not be available, lots of fruits and vegetables wont make it to market in some areas. anything that has to be shipped from far away will either cost a lot more or not be available. thats just my take on it.
It’s the other way around friend, we’ve stolen resources from the third for centuries and still do but now it’s just done with a layer of obfuscation. Next time you’re drinking a cup of coffee or eating a banana or marveling at a diamond think about where that may have come from and what the people who produced that for you go through so you can have tropical fruit year round.
Raw resources can’t be stolen from other humans, they belong to nature. The toughest, most ambitious and most ruthless of our kind will enjoy the fruits of our earth at the expense of others, same goes for land. That’s life. Any sort of sustained cooperative trade and fair wages is unusual and can’t be expected to be the default state. Right now we’re reverting to the mean.
I am not american do not worry, I know how things work. I don't drink coffee, or bananas, or diamonds. Many trillions of dollars have went to feeding africans.
Being anti natalist and pro abortion is fine, I dont have kids, and have taken steps to make sure I won't.
But when you start applying that both retroactively and expansively onto other people, that's just called being a fucking asshole.
You and I have a surplus of information and scope of view that is quite uncommon. Observing that people are inevitably going to die and calling it tragic is a pretty normal display of critical thinking and basic human empathy. Yep, those folks are fucked, damn shame. When you start implying they were only alive by your grace in the first place and should have expected to be starved to death, you're back into "fucking asshole" territory.
PSA; don't be a fucking asshole, humans are social creatures and anti social behavior deprioritizes your survival in the minds of other people. Sooner or later, the crisis WILL be in your area, and you are going to want other people to give a shit if you live or die.
If I said I want white people to die you would agree :), I am just stating the obvious. vast amount of worlds pollution comes from the 3rd world being overpopulated. No need to waste resources on people who can barely learn to read.
I’m a 40 year old millennial. What is “really bad” is our addiction and constant attraction to digital life and the convenience of tech. This includes our perpetual consumption of online entertainment, services, and social interaction that limits our ability to do, or more precisely limits our motivation to do almost anything analog. I’m just starting to come out of it and it’s been a hell of a drug to dig out of. It keeps us pacified, dulled and passive. It’s really a trap and we are all part of it. I feel bad for younger generations who don’t even know any different. But I am holding onto a stubborn hope that we are all, across the generations, waking up and climbing out of the digital consumption cage. Everyone should watch Good Luck, Have Fun, Don’t Die. It’s speaks to the anxiety of our age.
There is a higher, better feeling, more fulfilling way to live and I’m determined to be a guide home to it, as I’m sure many of you out there reading this are as well. Strengthen your heart. We are pioneers in a new and wild world and we will survive- together.
Plenty of people are out living their lives. Sure screen consumption is everywhere, but if you live in a desirable area a rich analog life is commonplace. For anyone that lives in some dull and sad town, if anything the digital world keeps things kosher.
Not saying that things aren't bad, but the "expert" in that Substack article is some Russian supply chain executive. So take his predictions with a fistful of salt, there may be ulterior motives going on.
You’re on the collapse Reddit, these people’s default posture is everything is about to collapse imminently. They’re just as bad as the ignorant but the inverse.
In hate to see this headlines, when the global starvation doesn't happen, people will lose even more faith in 'experts'.
When the real experts are not saying that.
There may be disruptions but not global famine in 4 months time.
Most of what we will be eating in August as already been grown and it's being stored or processed at the moment (except for fresh fruits and veg).
The objective is to saw distrust between everyone. Scientists being the people the most grounded in facts are a prime target.
If people are not listening to logic anymore then panic can properly set in.
When the actual collapse of the food chain actually happens people will treat it as if it's another peak oil in the 2000s.
On a side note 'conventional peak oil actually happened in 2007, however the industry was given and extension thanks to the timely arrival of fraking and shale oil. The new peak will arrive soon.
There's a decent chance that China's electrification, and to a lesser extent India's - will start to push oil consumption down faster than production drops. In 8 years, EV sales have climbed from 1 million/year (2017), to 17 million/year in '25. Batteries continue to slowly but steadily improve.
The forecast is that we will hit the 50% (of new light vehicle sales) point by 2031.
That said, economic growth has a big impact and some of the forecasts are for oil consumption to keep rising for 25 years. I personally find it hard to believe that - consumption will continue to rise if oil prices steadily increase while batteries keep improving at 5%/year and electricity prices are stable when inflation is factored in.
The best thing for Earth (the worst for political stability) would be for oil production to begin dropping enough to jack prices up to a sustained 150/barrel.
Yes I agree, but there is a difference between famine caused by corruption and bad logistics, and famine caused by regional or global crop failure.
In the countries with famine currently happening the rich are not starving. In a crop failure famine the rich people leaving locally will be obliged to move at least temporarily to avoid starving unless they live in a bunker.
I faul to see the diference. Most famines are caused by regional crop failure that is not mitigated because of corruption, bad logistics and plain old poverty, as the afflicted region cannot buy food somewhere else. I believe the difference you are trying to make is that this time there is the posibility that so called rich countries will be affected.
That's actually incorrect most region of the third world, in Africa and in the middle east are not self sufficient food wise. North Africa, particularly Egypt and middle east countries have increased their population massively over the past 50 years thanks to funds from oil and tourism allowing them to import massive amount of food to grow their population. Without these imports their population would be much smaller because they cannot grow their own food. This is a recent phenomenon.
If either the fuel to transport the food or the food source itself fails, these population are at great risks. That's what we have seen in South Sudan were famines are engineered when resources to pay for food imports are disputed.
True of most of Africa. But eight African nations ranked among the world’s top 50 most food self-sufficient countries, led by Mali, Niger, Cameroon, Senegal, South Sudan, Tunisia, Malawi, and Morocco.
A big issue in this regard has to do with the farming and distribution model. In the developed world farming is input intensive: Engineered seeds, irrigation, fertilizer, pesticides. It is also supported by a tightly integrated "cold" chain. Refrigerated storage and transport to refrigerated warehouses and supermarkets. The input intensive model is more resistant to weather, pests, etc. And two to three times as productive per acre.
As drought expands, it hits the non-irrigated farms much harder.
No expert / scientist would say "this will happen by this date". In science, as in life, it's all probabilities. Things are bad, but clickbait doesn't really prepare us for the bad.
Doomscrolling isn't even talked about by the talking heads on cable television anymore.
Economy's fucked. Gas, fertilizer, food, healthcare, vehicles, housing, tuition, all the shit is more fucked than it has ever been before, for more people than have ever lived on this rock, before.
The "magic" this sub has spoken on for ages is arriving. Even this sub won't survive.
Everyone’s just like, “oh, another horrific disaster? Cool. Time to lock that away in the ever-expanding trauma bank.”
I envy previous generations who never had so much exposure to all of these tragedies. Most of us in the modern age have been subconsciously scarred so badly that we’ve almost learnt to normalise these things. Take the Exorcist as an example- when it first released in the early 70s, people were literally vomiting in the theatres and walking out half way through. We’re so desensitised now that most people would either fall asleep from boredom or just laugh
Yes, but remember you’re focusing on life in the USA. If you look around the world in the 70s (or any other period of time), I guarantee you’ll find “horrific disasters for the trauma bank”.
I suppose that’s true, but I’m not from the States, nor do I reside there (thankfully, lol.) I’m not negating that horrendous things didn’t occur throughout human history (the past is riddled with atrocities), but most people in bygone ages were blissfully unaware of what was happening unless it directly affected them. News and live footage of x, y, and z horror weren’t a mere click or swipe away, not to mention the legions of other nightmarish things that exist on the internet in general
I’m Gen X. Out drivers ed instructors
Showed us videos of dead, mangled people in car wrecks every single week. Don’t give me your boo boo stories
About threads.
Seriously. I babysat for a family with 4 babies/toddlers at age 12, played outside in the neighborhood until dark from age 7. Now 12 year olds aren't even allowed to walk down their street alone.
It was different back then. It wasn’t unusual to walk home and let yourself in even as an elementary school kid. I don’t think it was a boomer thing so much as a social trust thing.
I remember in kindergarten a kid lost his house key, and was freaking out that he would just have to sit on the porch for 3 hours until his parents got home. At 5 years old. The school and teachers didn't ever seem worried about it.
Oh that happened to me at least once. Not in kindergarten, but definitely in elementary school. When dad got home a couple hours later, turns out it had fallen out of my backpack in the front yard 😂
Very true. Strange days where you'd have your front door key on a string around your neck and had conversations like "Oh that's Mad Mick the flasher. Just stay away from him." lol
Probably tens of thousands of teachers did. It’s an educational movie on the potential consequences of nukes. The insane part is governments building this technology, having arms races, and going to war.
It’s insane that some teacher was allowed to show this to children?
We haven't always wanted to shield children from scary but real possibilities. Look at our society today and witness what good adopting that viewpoint has done.
Yeah the USA was a fairy tale world back then, president and civil rights leaders getting their heads blown off, a 20 year war that killed millions of people, riots, race war, I don’t understand people saying nowadays it’s worse then it’s ever been. It clearly isn’t.
Uhm, nuclear war was a VERY real possibility at one time.
Oh wait, it still is.
Pollution was, and still is killing people. Economies were never as stable as anyone thinks. People died for civil rights. Consumer products sucked just as bad. Good jobs were hard to come by. Deadly pesticides in your food was normal. Deadly discrimination was everywhere. Advertising was always lying to you. The list is endless. Corporations were always trying to screw you.
Today's events are just an increased continuation of past events. None of this was invented when you were born.
Some things that were better? Your money did go farther. There were pensions. People did try to pass some protection laws for all of the above.
But yes, all of those meager protections have been destroyed in the last 30 years.
Previous vegetation’s who lived through wwii? The Great Depression? Wwi where you had like a 20 percent chance of dying if not in England at a certain age
But how much information, pics, videos, commentators etc were there during those times? If you were at home while a relative was off at war, the most you got was daily radio broadcasts with an overview of key events and the occasional letter from the relative picking and choosing how much to say. And mind you, those who were impacted first hand by those events WERE traumatised by it for life, and history was affected forever.
Meanwhile nowadays even if we’re partially insulated from some events we’re still constantly aware of everything, and the world is so interconnected now that anything that happens anywhere (eg new virus in central China, one single choke point closed off to trade in a different continent) has a high chance of impacting us too. Our constant awareness of everything bad thing happening everywhere and how it can come back to bite us is what’s different today.
You are 100% right. A US perspective but part of what makes the recordings of the D-Day radio broadcasts special is it was, at the time, one of the few times where everything stopped to cover the news in real time. Same goes for the JFK assassination but add in TV. Even on those days, some regular programing was still played when there was nothing new to report.
Once 24/7 cable news came along and CNN got massive ratings for showing the gulf war bombings in real time, it was game over. Their entire business model was getting people to watch non-stop and finding shocking/horrible news became the basis for all programing. Even those without cable were not spared as a majority of businesses with TVs just throw on a cable news network at all times (it was a mind fuck seeing Hurricane Katrina footage at a fucking McDonalds.) Then came Fox News where talking heads spew hate and the death/destruction was just B role footage to give the message an emotional response.
The internet didn't help but all it did was allow the user to pick which horrors to learn about. We were already fucked before high speed internet became common place.
They had more exposure to them because they were living through them. The end if the world is coming had been a common refrain for humanity from the start because of how precious it all is. One generation or so removed from living through these events and just knowing they exist overwhelms us.
Heh, I’m old enough to remember when this sub was somewhat optimistic about being able to survive the cascade crises we’re experiencing, enough to where there was a lot of prepper/post-collapse agrarian information here.
When my Mom died, my father drank himself to death. He was pretty healthy and in his 70's, so it took him 6 years, but he did it. I called that: Lifestyle suicide
This is the human superorganism committing lifestyle suicide. Or maybe a subset of the human organism committing large scale murder/suicide.
Because the heat won't directly do it.
Heat -> Drought -> Agri Collapse -> War (civil and international)
I’d argue we’re also seeing an epidemic of behavioral dopamine dysregulation driven by high-stimulus lifestyles, especially phone and tech addiction. People already show withdrawal-like symptoms when separated from their devices.
We still don’t know the long-term effects on mental health, cognition, or society as a whole from this lifestyle. It might sound dramatic, but I think it’s up there with energy and education as a major concern.
Yes, this is another major one. The things you listed are primarily products of the 21st century. At no other point in human history have people wielded so much technological power, and that power comes in the form of a pocket-sized touch screen device. I can’t remember where, but I recall reading something about just how enormous the rift has become. It said something along the lines of, “if you took someone from the 1700s and transported them back 200 years or so, they wouldn’t have much difficult adjusting. But if you took someone from the 1960s and dropped them in the 21st Century, they would have a complete nervous breakdown”
At the same time, nothing else really needs to be said and the OP summed it up nicely. I'd rather be succinct than waffle on like a news article trying to fit a sentence worth of news into 3 paragraphs.
The truth is they help in furthering research that will get us to artificial super intelligence.
So yes, more data centers will certainly save our chances of making something that saves us, or takes over for us. Either scenario would be hecking cool though.
PSA: strawberries are mad easy to grow even if you're a renter. And they propagate through runners that you can share with friends. I grow a bunch in containers on my porch and by the end of summer I've had so many I'm sick of them.
Strawberries can be really easy. Look up varieties that do well in your area. You can search like “best strawberry varieties for eastern Oklahoma” or wherever you live. When you plant them you want to make sure you leave the crown above soil. If the crown is buried under soil they’ll die. The crown is the upper part of the plant where the leaves are growing out of. Some places sell them bareroot which is cheaper and you can look up images of strawberry crown line to see what I’m referring to.
I’m in the US, and I just bought 2 hanging pots of strawberries from the grocery store along with other garden plants with my SNAP benefits. Evidently a lot of people don’t realize you can buy edible plants and garden seeds with it. The catch is the place has to accept SNAP, so it limits your options on where you can buy
They are “easy” but they have about a two week window. You can plant different varieties to extend the harvest. but… a renter growing in containers will likely pay more for the supplies, fertiliser and water than they will ever get in strawberries (at least at the price point in Europe). Maybe not at manhattan shop prices 🤷🏼♂️
You're right that it's not cheaper at first. But if you do it for years, the pots are reusable and the plant propagates itself so that you never have to buy more. The only thing I pay for is more potting soil and that is $15 for a huge bag. So, $15 for strawberries all season long? Much cheaper than buying from the store. Plus my berries taste better, are healthier, and pesticide free.
What is up with the spelling and grammar in this post? Random capitalization, a period in a parenthetical, spaces before punctuation, the comma after "Gen Z," no subject in the first sentence. Our schools are failing us.
F_in_Idaho@reddit
Collapse this summer? maybe, but I doubt it. What will kill us all will be global heating, but it won't happen to everyone worldwide simultaneously. How will we know when it's our turn, and can we track it? or get an idea how it will "get us"? Just watch the heat-dome(s) track around the globe drying up lakes, rivers, and killing crops, livestock, and people. Heat, flooding, and fire taking out infrastructure will accelerate social breakdown. Give it a couple or few years of exponential worsening.
By then, uh. . . . none of this ends well.
dieantworter@reddit
The world and humanity have gone through brutal challenges for centuries. Today we have exceptional technology that can help us thwart or reverse many of these catastrophes. Survival has always been the greatest motivator for innovation, and I believe the next few decades will be one of our prolific eras as a result of needing to combat these crises.
The collapse community is too f*** pessimistic and too certain of their doom and gloom predictions to want to consider alternatives. This doesn’t mean there won’t be catastrophe and suffering, but we can’t write this off as the end.
Susanoos_Wife@reddit
This is why I'm just trying to check as many things off my bucket list as I can before shit hits the fan so bad I can't enjoy anything fun in life anymore.
dieantworter@reddit
That should be the default state in life anyway shouldn’t it? We all got what 40-60 years of complete freedom in our lives.
NathanBrazil2@reddit
i think the article focused on some 3rd world countries, i think the way it will hit the US and europe is that if 2 people spent $150 a week at the grocery store in 2025 for the basics, it will now be $250 a week in later 2026. also though , some things will not be available, lots of fruits and vegetables wont make it to market in some areas. anything that has to be shipped from far away will either cost a lot more or not be available. thats just my take on it.
guyseeking@reddit (OP)
Shocking as it may seem, 85% of the population of our species are also in fact human beings
KeyGolf731@reddit
Unfortunately their existance is due to our welfare, they can't feed themselves. This is why I am anti natalist pro abortion.
therealjoeycora@reddit
It’s the other way around friend, we’ve stolen resources from the third for centuries and still do but now it’s just done with a layer of obfuscation. Next time you’re drinking a cup of coffee or eating a banana or marveling at a diamond think about where that may have come from and what the people who produced that for you go through so you can have tropical fruit year round.
dieantworter@reddit
Raw resources can’t be stolen from other humans, they belong to nature. The toughest, most ambitious and most ruthless of our kind will enjoy the fruits of our earth at the expense of others, same goes for land. That’s life. Any sort of sustained cooperative trade and fair wages is unusual and can’t be expected to be the default state. Right now we’re reverting to the mean.
KeyGolf731@reddit
I am not american do not worry, I know how things work. I don't drink coffee, or bananas, or diamonds. Many trillions of dollars have went to feeding africans.
theCaitiff@reddit
Being anti natalist and pro abortion is fine, I dont have kids, and have taken steps to make sure I won't.
But when you start applying that both retroactively and expansively onto other people, that's just called being a fucking asshole.
You and I have a surplus of information and scope of view that is quite uncommon. Observing that people are inevitably going to die and calling it tragic is a pretty normal display of critical thinking and basic human empathy. Yep, those folks are fucked, damn shame. When you start implying they were only alive by your grace in the first place and should have expected to be starved to death, you're back into "fucking asshole" territory.
PSA; don't be a fucking asshole, humans are social creatures and anti social behavior deprioritizes your survival in the minds of other people. Sooner or later, the crisis WILL be in your area, and you are going to want other people to give a shit if you live or die.
KeyGolf731@reddit
If I said I want white people to die you would agree :), I am just stating the obvious. vast amount of worlds pollution comes from the 3rd world being overpopulated. No need to waste resources on people who can barely learn to read.
selfasorganism@reddit
Preach
JackBlackBowserSlaps@reddit
Lol just broadcasting your ignorance for all to hear eh
Downtown_Statement87@reddit
Imagine believing this while children slave in Africa just so you can have a PS5.
Seajk3@reddit
I’m a 40 year old millennial. What is “really bad” is our addiction and constant attraction to digital life and the convenience of tech. This includes our perpetual consumption of online entertainment, services, and social interaction that limits our ability to do, or more precisely limits our motivation to do almost anything analog. I’m just starting to come out of it and it’s been a hell of a drug to dig out of. It keeps us pacified, dulled and passive. It’s really a trap and we are all part of it. I feel bad for younger generations who don’t even know any different. But I am holding onto a stubborn hope that we are all, across the generations, waking up and climbing out of the digital consumption cage. Everyone should watch Good Luck, Have Fun, Don’t Die. It’s speaks to the anxiety of our age.
There is a higher, better feeling, more fulfilling way to live and I’m determined to be a guide home to it, as I’m sure many of you out there reading this are as well. Strengthen your heart. We are pioneers in a new and wild world and we will survive- together.
dieantworter@reddit
Plenty of people are out living their lives. Sure screen consumption is everywhere, but if you live in a desirable area a rich analog life is commonplace. For anyone that lives in some dull and sad town, if anything the digital world keeps things kosher.
ChromaticStrike@reddit
I offset it by not having a family, no motorized vehicle, I don't take planes.
I don't feel guilty. If you have all of that AND you are going full electronic then yeah, fuck that.
Texuk1@reddit
Preach. I am hoping for that moment when everyone puts the tech away looks around. Then again I’m here commenting on reddit 😂
waffledestroyer@reddit
Not saying that things aren't bad, but the "expert" in that Substack article is some Russian supply chain executive. So take his predictions with a fistful of salt, there may be ulterior motives going on.
gta0012@reddit
There was a whole counter point about how a lot of agriculture has already either been planted and/or fertilizer has been bought.
This is a certainly going to be a big issue the longer it drags on but it wont be a 2 months and food runs out emergency.
Like always the truth is in the middle.
dieantworter@reddit
You’re on the collapse Reddit, these people’s default posture is everything is about to collapse imminently. They’re just as bad as the ignorant but the inverse.
nromanenko@reddit
Do you think he has ulterior motives because he's an executive or because he's Russian?
bristlybits@reddit
yes
guyseeking@reddit (OP)
You already know the answer to that one lol
waffledestroyer@reddit
At this time in history it is wise to be skeptical of every Russian executive making bold claims. It could just be the Kremlin speaking through him.
Orange_Indelebile@reddit
In hate to see this headlines, when the global starvation doesn't happen, people will lose even more faith in 'experts'.
When the real experts are not saying that. There may be disruptions but not global famine in 4 months time. Most of what we will be eating in August as already been grown and it's being stored or processed at the moment (except for fresh fruits and veg).
Perfect-Whereas-1478@reddit
You think this may be the objective?
Orange_Indelebile@reddit
The objective is to saw distrust between everyone. Scientists being the people the most grounded in facts are a prime target. If people are not listening to logic anymore then panic can properly set in.
When the actual collapse of the food chain actually happens people will treat it as if it's another peak oil in the 2000s.
On a side note 'conventional peak oil actually happened in 2007, however the industry was given and extension thanks to the timely arrival of fraking and shale oil. The new peak will arrive soon.
mem2100@reddit
There's a decent chance that China's electrification, and to a lesser extent India's - will start to push oil consumption down faster than production drops. In 8 years, EV sales have climbed from 1 million/year (2017), to 17 million/year in '25. Batteries continue to slowly but steadily improve.
The forecast is that we will hit the 50% (of new light vehicle sales) point by 2031.
That said, economic growth has a big impact and some of the forecasts are for oil consumption to keep rising for 25 years. I personally find it hard to believe that - consumption will continue to rise if oil prices steadily increase while batteries keep improving at 5%/year and electricity prices are stable when inflation is factored in.
The best thing for Earth (the worst for political stability) would be for oil production to begin dropping enough to jack prices up to a sustained 150/barrel.
Comfortably-Numb2026@reddit
(Sow) 🤓
Orange_Indelebile@reddit
I know I noticed it afterwards ...
Thick-Ad5738@reddit
There is already global famine. But it is mostly poor people of the wrong colour in the wrong countries, so nobody cares.
Orange_Indelebile@reddit
Yes I agree, but there is a difference between famine caused by corruption and bad logistics, and famine caused by regional or global crop failure.
In the countries with famine currently happening the rich are not starving. In a crop failure famine the rich people leaving locally will be obliged to move at least temporarily to avoid starving unless they live in a bunker.
Thick-Ad5738@reddit
I faul to see the diference. Most famines are caused by regional crop failure that is not mitigated because of corruption, bad logistics and plain old poverty, as the afflicted region cannot buy food somewhere else. I believe the difference you are trying to make is that this time there is the posibility that so called rich countries will be affected.
Orange_Indelebile@reddit
That's actually incorrect most region of the third world, in Africa and in the middle east are not self sufficient food wise. North Africa, particularly Egypt and middle east countries have increased their population massively over the past 50 years thanks to funds from oil and tourism allowing them to import massive amount of food to grow their population. Without these imports their population would be much smaller because they cannot grow their own food. This is a recent phenomenon. If either the fuel to transport the food or the food source itself fails, these population are at great risks. That's what we have seen in South Sudan were famines are engineered when resources to pay for food imports are disputed.
mem2100@reddit
True of most of Africa. But eight African nations ranked among the world’s top 50 most food self-sufficient countries, led by Mali, Niger, Cameroon, Senegal, South Sudan, Tunisia, Malawi, and Morocco.
A big issue in this regard has to do with the farming and distribution model. In the developed world farming is input intensive: Engineered seeds, irrigation, fertilizer, pesticides. It is also supported by a tightly integrated "cold" chain. Refrigerated storage and transport to refrigerated warehouses and supermarkets. The input intensive model is more resistant to weather, pests, etc. And two to three times as productive per acre.
As drought expands, it hits the non-irrigated farms much harder.
SuccessfulIntern8884@reddit
The dow! The Dow is at 50.000!!
postconsumerwat@reddit
All we gotta do is get everybody to change gears here... stop in the name of love.. appreciate the beauty... alas the legacy of raiders.
vegansandiego@reddit
No expert / scientist would say "this will happen by this date". In science, as in life, it's all probabilities. Things are bad, but clickbait doesn't really prepare us for the bad.
Mostest_Importantest@reddit
Doomscrolling isn't even talked about by the talking heads on cable television anymore.
Economy's fucked. Gas, fertilizer, food, healthcare, vehicles, housing, tuition, all the shit is more fucked than it has ever been before, for more people than have ever lived on this rock, before.
The "magic" this sub has spoken on for ages is arriving. Even this sub won't survive.
What a time to face reality.
eternallyfree1@reddit
Everyone’s just like, “oh, another horrific disaster? Cool. Time to lock that away in the ever-expanding trauma bank.”
I envy previous generations who never had so much exposure to all of these tragedies. Most of us in the modern age have been subconsciously scarred so badly that we’ve almost learnt to normalise these things. Take the Exorcist as an example- when it first released in the early 70s, people were literally vomiting in the theatres and walking out half way through. We’re so desensitised now that most people would either fall asleep from boredom or just laugh
psychetropica1@reddit
Yes, but remember you’re focusing on life in the USA. If you look around the world in the 70s (or any other period of time), I guarantee you’ll find “horrific disasters for the trauma bank”.
eternallyfree1@reddit
I suppose that’s true, but I’m not from the States, nor do I reside there (thankfully, lol.) I’m not negating that horrendous things didn’t occur throughout human history (the past is riddled with atrocities), but most people in bygone ages were blissfully unaware of what was happening unless it directly affected them. News and live footage of x, y, and z horror weren’t a mere click or swipe away, not to mention the legions of other nightmarish things that exist on the internet in general
BobMonroeFanClub@reddit
Gen X here. We were shown 'threads' AT SCHOOL and they wonder why we've all got anxiety lol.
ElephantContent8835@reddit
I’m Gen X. Out drivers ed instructors Showed us videos of dead, mangled people in car wrecks every single week. Don’t give me your boo boo stories About threads.
LurksTongueinAspic@reddit
Drivers Ed is why I always make sure the sun-visor is never halfway down.
Everryy_littlethingg@reddit
What are threads?
BobMonroeFanClub@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUmUz8ol9Ow I'm still scarred.
ToiIetGhost@reddit
I’ve been meaning to watch this. It’s insane that some teacher was allowed to show this to children?
BobMonroeFanClub@reddit
It was the 80s. Shit was different then. I was a latch key kid at 8 - boomers were weird parents lol
ExperienceHot9477@reddit
Seriously. I babysat for a family with 4 babies/toddlers at age 12, played outside in the neighborhood until dark from age 7. Now 12 year olds aren't even allowed to walk down their street alone.
petrowski7@reddit
It was different back then. It wasn’t unusual to walk home and let yourself in even as an elementary school kid. I don’t think it was a boomer thing so much as a social trust thing.
Helpful-Papaya6450@reddit
I remember in kindergarten a kid lost his house key, and was freaking out that he would just have to sit on the porch for 3 hours until his parents got home. At 5 years old. The school and teachers didn't ever seem worried about it.
petrowski7@reddit
Oh that happened to me at least once. Not in kindergarten, but definitely in elementary school. When dad got home a couple hours later, turns out it had fallen out of my backpack in the front yard 😂
BobMonroeFanClub@reddit
Very true. Strange days where you'd have your front door key on a string around your neck and had conversations like "Oh that's Mad Mick the flasher. Just stay away from him." lol
Turbulent-Beauty@reddit
Probably tens of thousands of teachers did. It’s an educational movie on the potential consequences of nukes. The insane part is governments building this technology, having arms races, and going to war.
Daddy_Milk@reddit
The concept is troubling, but there's no profanity or nudity.
We watched Roots and read 1984 in school.
HomoExtinctisus@reddit
We haven't always wanted to shield children from scary but real possibilities. Look at our society today and witness what good adopting that viewpoint has done.
BobMonroeFanClub@reddit
They also showed us the Al Gore movie and us slackers just went 'whatever' and did feck all about it mind you.
Turbulent-Beauty@reddit
I’m a Millennial and also saw Threads.
firekeeper23@reddit
Feckin scary
NWkingslayer2024@reddit
Yeah the USA was a fairy tale world back then, president and civil rights leaders getting their heads blown off, a 20 year war that killed millions of people, riots, race war, I don’t understand people saying nowadays it’s worse then it’s ever been. It clearly isn’t.
KiaRioGrl@reddit
People could choose 'ignorance is bliss' a whole lot more easily back then.
NWkingslayer2024@reddit
Yeah maybe, but it’s still not the worst it’s ever been. Are there major signs of decline, yes. But worst ever? Not even close.
SnailPoo@reddit
lol, I'm going to take a nap.
yzmasllamadrops@reddit
I totally agree. Well said.
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
Uhm, nuclear war was a VERY real possibility at one time.
Oh wait, it still is.
Pollution was, and still is killing people. Economies were never as stable as anyone thinks. People died for civil rights. Consumer products sucked just as bad. Good jobs were hard to come by. Deadly pesticides in your food was normal. Deadly discrimination was everywhere. Advertising was always lying to you. The list is endless. Corporations were always trying to screw you.
Today's events are just an increased continuation of past events. None of this was invented when you were born.
Some things that were better? Your money did go farther. There were pensions. People did try to pass some protection laws for all of the above.
But yes, all of those meager protections have been destroyed in the last 30 years.
Stillcant@reddit
Previous vegetation’s who lived through wwii? The Great Depression? Wwi where you had like a 20 percent chance of dying if not in England at a certain age
6rwoods@reddit
But how much information, pics, videos, commentators etc were there during those times? If you were at home while a relative was off at war, the most you got was daily radio broadcasts with an overview of key events and the occasional letter from the relative picking and choosing how much to say. And mind you, those who were impacted first hand by those events WERE traumatised by it for life, and history was affected forever.
Meanwhile nowadays even if we’re partially insulated from some events we’re still constantly aware of everything, and the world is so interconnected now that anything that happens anywhere (eg new virus in central China, one single choke point closed off to trade in a different continent) has a high chance of impacting us too. Our constant awareness of everything bad thing happening everywhere and how it can come back to bite us is what’s different today.
pvdfan@reddit
You are 100% right. A US perspective but part of what makes the recordings of the D-Day radio broadcasts special is it was, at the time, one of the few times where everything stopped to cover the news in real time. Same goes for the JFK assassination but add in TV. Even on those days, some regular programing was still played when there was nothing new to report.
Once 24/7 cable news came along and CNN got massive ratings for showing the gulf war bombings in real time, it was game over. Their entire business model was getting people to watch non-stop and finding shocking/horrible news became the basis for all programing. Even those without cable were not spared as a majority of businesses with TVs just throw on a cable news network at all times (it was a mind fuck seeing Hurricane Katrina footage at a fucking McDonalds.) Then came Fox News where talking heads spew hate and the death/destruction was just B role footage to give the message an emotional response.
The internet didn't help but all it did was allow the user to pick which horrors to learn about. We were already fucked before high speed internet became common place.
lost_horizons@reddit
They mean boomers mainly, probably
Captain_Trululu@reddit
and people say Chainsaw Man Part 2 had no political commentary
wwaxwork@reddit
They had more exposure to them because they were living through them. The end if the world is coming had been a common refrain for humanity from the start because of how precious it all is. One generation or so removed from living through these events and just knowing they exist overwhelms us.
firekeeper23@reddit
Imaging them watching the human centipede film?
emmc47@reddit
I mean, it is what it is 🤷🏾♂️
ConstantWisdom@reddit
Heh, I’m old enough to remember when this sub was somewhat optimistic about being able to survive the cascade crises we’re experiencing, enough to where there was a lot of prepper/post-collapse agrarian information here.
asyrian88@reddit
And the knowledge that it was all avoidable. It wasn’t a giant asteroid. It was our own doing. Yay.
mem2100@reddit
When my Mom died, my father drank himself to death. He was pretty healthy and in his 70's, so it took him 6 years, but he did it. I called that: Lifestyle suicide
This is the human superorganism committing lifestyle suicide. Or maybe a subset of the human organism committing large scale murder/suicide.
Because the heat won't directly do it.
Heat -> Drought -> Agri Collapse -> War (civil and international)
imdugud777@reddit
Chuckles in Younger Dryas.
Chirotera@reddit
As they say we're always nine missed meals (3 days)from collapse
-Germanicus-@reddit
I’d argue we’re also seeing an epidemic of behavioral dopamine dysregulation driven by high-stimulus lifestyles, especially phone and tech addiction. People already show withdrawal-like symptoms when separated from their devices. We still don’t know the long-term effects on mental health, cognition, or society as a whole from this lifestyle. It might sound dramatic, but I think it’s up there with energy and education as a major concern.
eternallyfree1@reddit
Yes, this is another major one. The things you listed are primarily products of the 21st century. At no other point in human history have people wielded so much technological power, and that power comes in the form of a pocket-sized touch screen device. I can’t remember where, but I recall reading something about just how enormous the rift has become. It said something along the lines of, “if you took someone from the 1700s and transported them back 200 years or so, they wouldn’t have much difficult adjusting. But if you took someone from the 1960s and dropped them in the 21st Century, they would have a complete nervous breakdown”
Freefromoutcome@reddit
Black Monday coming?
guyseeking@reddit (OP)
"Give it to me straight, doc. How long do I have to live?"
"... Well, you know. It's not about the quantity of time left, but the quality of how we use that time."
"... Oh fuck."
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tehfrod@reddit
If you have to stuff your submission statement with garbage to get it to the requirement, maybe your post is too low-effort.
lost_horizons@reddit
Isn’t it casual Friday?
melancholicd3spa1r@reddit
What's casual friday?
lost_horizons@reddit
Memes and lower effort posts are allowed on fridays here.
StarStruck3@reddit
At the same time, nothing else really needs to be said and the OP summed it up nicely. I'd rather be succinct than waffle on like a news article trying to fit a sentence worth of news into 3 paragraphs.
Full_Truth7008@reddit
casual friday.
notislant@reddit
150 characters for a comment? Since when wtf lol
Ok_Oil_201@reddit
Submission statement requirement
This_Estimate_7635@reddit
Don’t you guys understand we have to pump everything into AI in order to save the progress we have created?!?!
Bromlife@reddit
More datacenters will save us!
This_Estimate_7635@reddit
The truth is they help in furthering research that will get us to artificial super intelligence.
So yes, more data centers will certainly save our chances of making something that saves us, or takes over for us. Either scenario would be hecking cool though.
Bromlife@reddit
Oh, you were being serious.
That's a pretty stupid take, ngl.
This_Estimate_7635@reddit
I can’t believe your serious. Are you trolling? Was your comment bait?
Bromlife@reddit
You really think building more data centres to train bigger and bigger LLMs is how we save the future?
Come on man, your comment should have been bait. Not the dumbest take that’s accelerating our downfall.
streachh@reddit
PSA: strawberries are mad easy to grow even if you're a renter. And they propagate through runners that you can share with friends. I grow a bunch in containers on my porch and by the end of summer I've had so many I'm sick of them.
AnarchaComrade@reddit
Where/how did you learn how to grow them? Do you have a reliable resource that you use that you could share?
bristlybits@reddit
go to the locally owned plant store/nursery/feed store and ask who is working that grows them. ask them which variety they grow themselves.
you can get a pack of 25 root starts while you're there. they need dirt or nutrients and they need light.
night_rain7@reddit
Strawberries can be really easy. Look up varieties that do well in your area. You can search like “best strawberry varieties for eastern Oklahoma” or wherever you live. When you plant them you want to make sure you leave the crown above soil. If the crown is buried under soil they’ll die. The crown is the upper part of the plant where the leaves are growing out of. Some places sell them bareroot which is cheaper and you can look up images of strawberry crown line to see what I’m referring to.
streachh@reddit
Just stick it in a pot and water it that's it
streachh@reddit
They're easy af
Distinguishedflyer@reddit
what are their temperature limits? asking for a friend on a rapidly overheating planet..
bristlybits@reddit
if you can live in it they can, some varieties are fine through cold winter too. but with heat, they can survive what you can.
they can grow in a sunny window indoors if absolutely necessary.
same goes for orach and chard. though they will bolt in the heat. if you can survive it they can.
night_rain7@reddit
I would do a search for warm climate strawberry varieties. I live in the subarctic so I have the opposite issue. I love the quinault variety.
streachh@reddit
Idk dawg
deep_vein_stromboli@reddit
I’m in the US, and I just bought 2 hanging pots of strawberries from the grocery store along with other garden plants with my SNAP benefits. Evidently a lot of people don’t realize you can buy edible plants and garden seeds with it. The catch is the place has to accept SNAP, so it limits your options on where you can buy
Texuk1@reddit
They are “easy” but they have about a two week window. You can plant different varieties to extend the harvest. but… a renter growing in containers will likely pay more for the supplies, fertiliser and water than they will ever get in strawberries (at least at the price point in Europe). Maybe not at manhattan shop prices 🤷🏼♂️
streachh@reddit
You're right that it's not cheaper at first. But if you do it for years, the pots are reusable and the plant propagates itself so that you never have to buy more. The only thing I pay for is more potting soil and that is $15 for a huge bag. So, $15 for strawberries all season long? Much cheaper than buying from the store. Plus my berries taste better, are healthier, and pesticide free.
streachh@reddit
Mine are ever bearing and produce fruit all spring and summer
35120red@reddit
Don't know you could die tomorrow, life is like that.
TheOriginalMulk@reddit
Uh huh.
That's the way it is.
Chill out. Whatcha yelling for?
Lay back, it's all been done before.
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
"Everything has already been said, but since no one was listening, we have to start again"
- André Gide
TheOriginalMulk@reddit
-Avril Lavigne
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
I badly paraphrased. My fault.
"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again".
And yes, it's Andre Gide.
TheOriginalMulk@reddit
No no, your choice and use of the quote, even if paraphrased, was poignant and totally germane, and yep, I know who Andre Gide is, or was, rather.
I was just being a bit Michael Scott-ish.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." -Wayne Gretzky -Michael Scott
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
👍👍👍
Barnaboule69@reddit
Was Pam Bondi the one in charge of redacting the subreddit names?
Micro-Naut@reddit
This sounds like something I wanna know about could you give me a link or elaborate?
Barnaboule69@reddit
Basically she was in charge of the release of the Epstein files and the redactions were super botched, revealing the identity of many victims.
Lil_Lord_Funkleroy@reddit
Threads (2:20) - newscaster on the car radio “… there is still finger pointing in Iran …”
CatchaRainbow@reddit
On the positive side renewables are looking like the only option now.
TheJewBakka@reddit
Will the major sports leagues still be operating up until the point of nuclear war? What's the cutoff for that? Will they outlive the American empire?
HybridVigor@reddit
What is up with the spelling and grammar in this post? Random capitalization, a period in a parenthetical, spaces before punctuation, the comma after "Gen Z," no subject in the first sentence. Our schools are failing us.
ost2life@reddit
Third time I've seen this sorry reposted the guy's a Russian shill.
Striper_Cape@reddit
https://www.ebc.com/forex/from-oil-to-fertilizer-to-food-the-inflation-chain-nobody-sees
ost2life@reddit
Doesn't stop that guy in particular being a really suspect source. Doomscroll responsibly.
Current-Code@reddit
The expert in question is a Putin's pawn.
I wouldn't take the bug out bag just yet.
StatementBot@reddit
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"Give it to me straight, doc. How long do I have to live?"
"... Well, you know. It's not about the quantity of time left, but the quality of how we use that time."
"... Oh fuck."
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