Exactly—for example, when I was living in Nuremberg, whenever I traveled to Sofia I used to go via Salzburg and Slovenia, taking a more scenic and interesting route. The road through Hungary used to make me sleepy—just a straight highway across flat fields from Vienna to Belgrade.
No offense, but the road quality in Bulgaria struck us so badly that we developed a funny habit, so whenever we are driving on a shitty road with many potholes, we say "OMG it's like we're in Bulgaria"
For Croatian roads... i kinda see them worse than Serbian? I go to Croatia every summer to visit my grandma and the roads are kinda worse in some spits than in Serbia.
At least where i live. I don't have to worry about a vehicle i'm in(most of the time my parent's car or on also the bus when i am going back from school) shaking like hell from having to go through super bumpy roads.
Recently they took out and remade the road from my city to another neighboring city. They left a huge 5x2m hole in one lane with no warning. also it connects badly to the already made road. this the good road. the bad road going to a smaller city they didnt even take out. they just cut out the potholes, put some new asphalt, badly connected it, and left it
Wow are they that bad? I've watched lots of videos of people driving in the Balkans, and the interstate (I don't know if you call them that) looked perfect. City and town roads looked good, too. You could see places they patched it, but it was patched. I'd imagine side roads and village roads could be quite poor in places.
Where I live in the US, the roads aren't great. Business parking lots are fucking miserable. They look like bombs fell on them. No one fixes them, either.
FYI, according to the World Economic Forum report, among 141 countries Croatia ranks 12th in road infrastructure quality (score 5.6), tied with Denmark and Taiwan…
On magistrala people drive like they‘d be a better fit in a mental asylum than on the road, and the roads to Plitvica are similarly bad, the locals see some parts as a fucking racetrack
That is quite possible, as I think I was last driving there 1st half of 2023. The signs were already up and everything and I remember distinctly because I took the wrong turn and ended up having to drive local roads until I could again enter the motorway.
But driving through Belgrade on a snowy night was crazy. 3 lanes suddenly becomming 5 lanes due to the cars merging or taking the exits. But I still remember it was not pure chaos, apart from an occassional idiot, people seemed to have accepted it and it was as smooth as possible.
Prishtina was another type of chaos. People making left turns in roundabouts to make a U turn, cars getting stuck in the middle of intersections on red light. But I did not hear a single car horn. Everyone was really chill about it.
Yeah, it sucks a lot due to high truck traffic. If you went Zagreb Split then you would see how smooth that road is. Only bumps are near viaducts and bridges where has to be a little bump.
I lived in Zagreb County and the roads were generally abysmal. You could exit the county in each direction and as soon as you passed the "Welcome to X County" sign, the difference was night and day. Especially going to Bjelovar.
Town roads were also horrible. The only roads that held on for more than 6 months were the ones done by Strabag. Local buddy/cousin companies that did our roads never figured out how to make thrm level with the drains, how to prevent rainwater from creating massive pools of water... or how to keep them from falling apart within months, or at least stay level.
But the difference is crazy. We had a 2 km road that was divided ca. 1-1 km between two municipalities. Their side was done by strabag and holds up like a dream, no potholes, no standing water. The other 1km was done by our local pajdo, and that started falling apart after 3 months. Guess which one took longer to finish.
Same thing we had here. Major started to talk shit about županija. Županija sent regional pajdos to rebuild the main road trough the town since it was županijska. 1.something kilometers, but less than 2km for sure. 1 year for that. They did a good job, it is properly made. But one tourist season had a whole construction site trough the town
I dont know, I havent driven in Bulgaria. Roads are one of the few serious things that are actually good in Croatia (of course, there were huge corruption scandals when the highways were built, but that’s pretty normal for our region 😬)
Depends from country to country and from region to region. Let me give you some examples.
Croatia is generally amongst top 15 in the world I believe, yet some local roads can be so bad (albeit not many) that it's not even funny.
Montenegro generally has really good roads when it comes to connecting everything to Podgorica (capital), yet road infra is crazy bad (can't accommodate properly amount of traffic country has during summer times) where it should be the best, for example in the coastal region (especially Kotor Bay.
Serbia generally has good roads that connect bigger cities but local roads are beyond shit.
Bosnia has so bad roads that it's not even funny, but then again Brcko district has really good roads.
Albania is OK when it comes to connecting roads that lead towards Tirana, but other roads are really, really bad.
I can answer that. Last year I drove from Netherlands -> Germany -> Austria -> Slovenia -> Croatia -> Serbia -> Bulgaria -> Greece.
I was very impressed by the Serbian highways. Wide and new. I was very frustrated with Croatian ones: very damaged on many places, many potholes and very expensive. German highways are mostly inferior: either they are renovating large parts or the roads need renovation. Some parts around Bavaria and Nuremberg were excellent. Slovenia has very nice infrastructure, I loved it. Bulgaria was the worse because large parts lacked even highways.
I would say that Slovenia \~ Serbia > Croatia (by a large margin) > Bulgaria. There are not big differences between other central EU countries.
Sorry, but which route did you take exactly? In Bulgaria, between the main Serbian and Greek border crossings, there are about 30 km without a motorway.
From border after Pirot till Sofia the road is not highway. Then there was a large portion around Strumyani or somewhere there that was not high way. The highway parts were OK though
From the Serbian border to Blagoevgrad it is now a motorway. Last year they opened the last section that wasn’t. Yes, there is one stretch between the border and the first Bulgarian town with an 80 km/h limit, but in reality it has motorway-standard dimensions. There are similar stretches—even with lower speed limits—on the A25 between Promachonas and Thessaloniki. There are such sections in Italy as well. The only part in Bulgaria that does not have motorway-standard dimensions is between Simitli and Kresna, where the road passes through the Struma River gorge. Anyway, it’s a fact that roads in Bulgaria are the worst in the Balkans. The biggest corruption is precisely there.
Last year (early) the entire part from borders till Sofia was not highway, I am glad if they opened it now. On the way back we drove through Bansko (took the border road at Exochi), although a provincial road it was very well made, and we enjoyed the nice mountains!
Which part of the highway did you drive on in Croatia? Maybe towards the east? The Zagreb-Slavonia section is definitely the worst part of the entire motorway network in Croatia, the difference compared to the rest of the road network is huge…It is sad, but i understand why, that is a dying region of Croatia, and there isn’t the same financial incentive to maintain it as there is in the west (Kvarner) and the south (Dalmatia)
The E70 towards Belgrade. That part specially the latter middle of it was so bad and bumpy even with potholes in the middle of the highway! I was so negatively impressed
I knew it. It is true, and I assumed that is exactly the part of the motorway you experienced, because the rest, what I mentioned in my previous comment, is genuinely good and well maintained highway
I remember being unpleasantly surprised by that stretch of motorway as well when drove to Slavonia dor the first time. Im from Dalmatia, and i often travel to Zagreb for work, that 400 km stretch between Split and Zagreb is so high quality that it can compete with almost any motorway in the world. Its the backbone of Croatias road traffic, connecting the two wealthiest regions, and the tourism boom has largely depended on it, so those routes linking the capital and the coast are kept at a high standard, while the condition of the roads from Zagreb towards Osijek and Slavonski Brod is frankly embarrassing
Have any of you actually driven in "EU roads", the German ones are always closed for reconstruction, the Austrian ones are always closed for no god damn reason what so ever, the French ones are full of the French(they all think they own the whole road), the Italian ones have Italian drivers(getting your car scratched or bumped into is not considered a accident) and dont get me even started on Belgium ones... they dont have potholes, they have pottrenches.
if we talk about highways,highwayd in ex yu region,(idk for other countries,never been)most highways feel wider and sfaer than those in EU countries in some central Europe countries like Hungary,Czechia,Slovakia
New Balkan roads ? Best joke ever! I drove 2.5k km 1 year ago and almost 2k km were in just two lanes of road, one going and one coming. There is almost no reflectors on the road so people make themself visible by flashing. Cell coverage is very poor even on highways. The only good thing about the road was views.
Croatian and Montenegrin roads are good. Turkey has some great bridges and tunnels and their roads are also in good shape. The rest of Balkans is like being forever under construction.
When guests and tourists envy you for the scenic road through a beautiful canyon along a pristine river, but you just want to slap them since you have to commute there 3x a week, almost 2 hours each way for a trip that should take less than half the time.
balkan roads are crazy, was in republika srpska and montenegro and i feel like one way roads don't really exist in the same way as in the rest of europe. Even mountian roads with only space for 1 vehicle will be used from both sides and if 2 vehicles meet, the smaller one will have to back off until they reach a point where both can fit
Logical_Muffin_7685@reddit
Dude, I live in the EUSSR, the roads in Serbia are MUCH better than roads in Czecia-Slovakia. MUCH better.
CryptoStef33@reddit
Just go from Sofia to Vidin and you'll find this kind of road.
corvosfighter@reddit
"Roads in EU" .. shows a location that is famously not in EU lol
Prior_Cookie_3381@reddit
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
Sarcasm hasnt reached to balkans yet
d1ckMage-4975@reddit
also literally in balkans.
ShelterIndependent44@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul
In any case, if you can read and understand or willing to educate yourself.. There is also a translate option on the page, whatever your language is
buzzysmoke@reddit
😂
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
Eu
Attack_na_battak@reddit
You don't get that, do you?
Perfect road = perfect sleep, bad road = stay sharp, stay alive.
Ignorant's....
Majestic_Potato_5408@reddit
Some north western Denmark road was the most dangerous road I ever drove, 20 km straight ahead on a field... barely survived
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
perfect road = boring road
Vesko85@reddit
Exactly—for example, when I was living in Nuremberg, whenever I traveled to Sofia I used to go via Salzburg and Slovenia, taking a more scenic and interesting route. The road through Hungary used to make me sleepy—just a straight highway across flat fields from Vienna to Belgrade.
Attack_na_battak@reddit
When I'm tired and have to travel a long way, usually stay out of highways. Choose road which will keep my attention all the time.
Yes, right way is to get rest but sometime is not possible.
BluejayOk6705@reddit
No offense, but the road quality in Bulgaria struck us so badly that we developed a funny habit, so whenever we are driving on a shitty road with many potholes, we say "OMG it's like we're in Bulgaria"
Majestic_Potato_5408@reddit
I remember the highway north of Sofia really putting Romania to shame though! The countryside roads absolutely not though
bulgar2000@reddit
As a Bulgarian I can confirm.
Past_Edge_7220@reddit
Hey! Our Serbian roads ain't that bad! >:(
BakiMatagi@reddit
So that IS a Serbian dude driving?
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
He looks like a greek
Pretend-Technician64@reddit
He must be from that famous Greek aristocrat Antetokounmpo Family.
BakiMatagi@reddit
West or east(constantinople)?
vodka-bears@reddit
Better than most neighboring countries at least. Like it here more than Croatian, Hungarian and Bulgarian ones.
Past_Edge_7220@reddit
For Croatian roads... i kinda see them worse than Serbian? I go to Croatia every summer to visit my grandma and the roads are kinda worse in some spits than in Serbia.
ArthurScherbius@reddit
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
Better than netherlands roads ??!?!? No way
Past_Edge_7220@reddit
At least where i live. I don't have to worry about a vehicle i'm in(most of the time my parent's car or on also the bus when i am going back from school) shaking like hell from having to go through super bumpy roads.
Kindly_Scientist@reddit
saar are we europe now saar💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿we europ now💪💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿time to post Save europ posts at my apartment in 📍Berlin
brnkse@reddit
Ther "EU" road in the video is literally in Istanbul and it is the bridge between Europe and Asia.
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
NO WAY
brnkse@reddit
Yup it is so subtle you could miss it
Western-Pear5874@reddit
More accurate than cuantum mechanics
TheEagle74m@reddit
Maybe because they are new, like build last 4-10 years, but I find Kosovo highways very decent shape. 🤔
DarkSoulBG24@reddit
Recently they took out and remade the road from my city to another neighboring city. They left a huge 5x2m hole in one lane with no warning. also it connects badly to the already made road. this the good road. the bad road going to a smaller city they didnt even take out. they just cut out the potholes, put some new asphalt, badly connected it, and left it
RopeRepresentative11@reddit
Bosnia roads were very dangerous when I was there in 2003.
jaleach@reddit
Wow are they that bad? I've watched lots of videos of people driving in the Balkans, and the interstate (I don't know if you call them that) looked perfect. City and town roads looked good, too. You could see places they patched it, but it was patched. I'd imagine side roads and village roads could be quite poor in places.
Where I live in the US, the roads aren't great. Business parking lots are fucking miserable. They look like bombs fell on them. No one fixes them, either.
SpiritedAddition8206@reddit
Out of all countries to pick from the EU, why pick Turkey a non-EU country and nonetheless the Balkan part of Turkey lol.
Motor_Papaya5415@reddit
Low effort memes
Arkhendelos@reddit
Average Turkish nationalist be like
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
Frank_cat@reddit
That road might be very bad but all this bouncing is the driver's fault.
Obviously goes too fast for the road condition.
_yasinss_@reddit
TÜRKİYE MENTİON 🇹🇷 🇹🇷 🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷🐺🐺🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷🐺🐺🐺🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷
Mental_Cookie_6720@reddit
ArthurScherbius@reddit
FYI, according to the World Economic Forum report, among 141 countries Croatia ranks 12th in road infrastructure quality (score 5.6), tied with Denmark and Taiwan…
Dovaskarr@reddit
Always people shit on our roads. They are more than good. Except zagreb slavonski brod highway. Fuck that road
CroGamer002@reddit
I genuinely don't understand how is that highway always in poor state.
shogunlazo@reddit
Croatias new highway is sooo boooring 😒
ArthurScherbius@reddit
I have never seen/heard someone talking badly about our roads…
mschuster91@reddit
On magistrala people drive like they‘d be a better fit in a mental asylum than on the road, and the roads to Plitvica are similarly bad, the locals see some parts as a fucking racetrack
BadBasik@reddit
This is so true.
Dear neighbors, I love you, but I hate driving in Croatia, please lock up your mental patients!
Dovaskarr@reddit
I did a lot. Less and less every year
vodka-bears@reddit
The only one I drove and I made a conclusion that Serbian motorways are better.
bosko43buha@reddit
I drove to Belgrade and then south to Kosovo a few times and the motorway is quite nice.
Minus points for Belgrade not having a bypass, at least back then. And extra minus points for the crazy amount of people walking on the motorway.
On a plus side, I saw a guy on a freza for the first time in like 20 years or more, so that balanced it out.
vodka-bears@reddit
Well, there's a bypass since mid 2023.
bosko43buha@reddit
That is quite possible, as I think I was last driving there 1st half of 2023. The signs were already up and everything and I remember distinctly because I took the wrong turn and ended up having to drive local roads until I could again enter the motorway.
But driving through Belgrade on a snowy night was crazy. 3 lanes suddenly becomming 5 lanes due to the cars merging or taking the exits. But I still remember it was not pure chaos, apart from an occassional idiot, people seemed to have accepted it and it was as smooth as possible.
Prishtina was another type of chaos. People making left turns in roundabouts to make a U turn, cars getting stuck in the middle of intersections on red light. But I did not hear a single car horn. Everyone was really chill about it.
Dovaskarr@reddit
Yeah, it sucks a lot due to high truck traffic. If you went Zagreb Split then you would see how smooth that road is. Only bumps are near viaducts and bridges where has to be a little bump.
bosko43buha@reddit
I lived in Zagreb County and the roads were generally abysmal. You could exit the county in each direction and as soon as you passed the "Welcome to X County" sign, the difference was night and day. Especially going to Bjelovar.
Town roads were also horrible. The only roads that held on for more than 6 months were the ones done by Strabag. Local buddy/cousin companies that did our roads never figured out how to make thrm level with the drains, how to prevent rainwater from creating massive pools of water... or how to keep them from falling apart within months, or at least stay level.
Dovaskarr@reddit
All hail the Strabag overlords😂
Same here. There is a reason why we in Trogir employ strabag for 80% of all roadworks. The bridge we got 7 years ago was strabag.
bosko43buha@reddit
But the difference is crazy. We had a 2 km road that was divided ca. 1-1 km between two municipalities. Their side was done by strabag and holds up like a dream, no potholes, no standing water. The other 1km was done by our local pajdo, and that started falling apart after 3 months. Guess which one took longer to finish.
Dovaskarr@reddit
Same thing we had here. Major started to talk shit about županija. Županija sent regional pajdos to rebuild the main road trough the town since it was županijska. 1.something kilometers, but less than 2km for sure. 1 year for that. They did a good job, it is properly made. But one tourist season had a whole construction site trough the town
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Ok? we're talking about Balkan roads
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
Bulgar roads are better sorry
Glittering-Toe-1622@reddit
As a Bulgarian I can't believe that 😅
ArthurScherbius@reddit
I dont know, I havent driven in Bulgaria. Roads are one of the few serious things that are actually good in Croatia (of course, there were huge corruption scandals when the highways were built, but that’s pretty normal for our region 😬)
TomatilloOptimal3998@reddit
Impressive result actually.
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
achtually
Koffielurker_@reddit
Is Belgium Balkan?!
InCloud44@reddit
Because we LOVE CORRUPTION AND WE ONLY ELECT CORRUPTED POLITICIANS!
Adept-One-4632@reddit
We can only elect them for they are our only option.
InCloud44@reddit
Like PSD and now AUR?!?!
Adept-One-4632@reddit
Așa e. Ai face bine să cumperi cât de mult whisky poți în 2028.
InCloud44@reddit
Adica?! Eu nu votez cele 2 partide....
Adept-One-4632@reddit
Nici eu. Dar ele clar că una dintre cele două va ajunge pe primul loc
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
Depends from country to country and from region to region. Let me give you some examples.
psyspin13@reddit
I can answer that. Last year I drove from Netherlands -> Germany -> Austria -> Slovenia -> Croatia -> Serbia -> Bulgaria -> Greece.
I was very impressed by the Serbian highways. Wide and new. I was very frustrated with Croatian ones: very damaged on many places, many potholes and very expensive. German highways are mostly inferior: either they are renovating large parts or the roads need renovation. Some parts around Bavaria and Nuremberg were excellent. Slovenia has very nice infrastructure, I loved it. Bulgaria was the worse because large parts lacked even highways.
I would say that Slovenia \~ Serbia > Croatia (by a large margin) > Bulgaria. There are not big differences between other central EU countries.
Vesko85@reddit
Sorry, but which route did you take exactly? In Bulgaria, between the main Serbian and Greek border crossings, there are about 30 km without a motorway.
psyspin13@reddit
From border after Pirot till Sofia the road is not highway. Then there was a large portion around Strumyani or somewhere there that was not high way. The highway parts were OK though
Vesko85@reddit
From the Serbian border to Blagoevgrad it is now a motorway. Last year they opened the last section that wasn’t. Yes, there is one stretch between the border and the first Bulgarian town with an 80 km/h limit, but in reality it has motorway-standard dimensions. There are similar stretches—even with lower speed limits—on the A25 between Promachonas and Thessaloniki. There are such sections in Italy as well. The only part in Bulgaria that does not have motorway-standard dimensions is between Simitli and Kresna, where the road passes through the Struma River gorge. Anyway, it’s a fact that roads in Bulgaria are the worst in the Balkans. The biggest corruption is precisely there.
NNredE@reddit
You can say this only if you never drive through N. Macedonia, or real Macedonia, def worse than Bulgaria.
psyspin13@reddit
Last year (early) the entire part from borders till Sofia was not highway, I am glad if they opened it now. On the way back we drove through Bansko (took the border road at Exochi), although a provincial road it was very well made, and we enjoyed the nice mountains!
ArthurScherbius@reddit
Which part of the highway did you drive on in Croatia? Maybe towards the east? The Zagreb-Slavonia section is definitely the worst part of the entire motorway network in Croatia, the difference compared to the rest of the road network is huge…It is sad, but i understand why, that is a dying region of Croatia, and there isn’t the same financial incentive to maintain it as there is in the west (Kvarner) and the south (Dalmatia)
psyspin13@reddit
The E70 towards Belgrade. That part specially the latter middle of it was so bad and bumpy even with potholes in the middle of the highway! I was so negatively impressed
ArthurScherbius@reddit
I knew it. It is true, and I assumed that is exactly the part of the motorway you experienced, because the rest, what I mentioned in my previous comment, is genuinely good and well maintained highway
psyspin13@reddit
I don't doubt that! But we drove approximately 350 km in bad conditions (and Croat drivers are very impatient lmao)
ArthurScherbius@reddit
I remember being unpleasantly surprised by that stretch of motorway as well when drove to Slavonia dor the first time. Im from Dalmatia, and i often travel to Zagreb for work, that 400 km stretch between Split and Zagreb is so high quality that it can compete with almost any motorway in the world. Its the backbone of Croatias road traffic, connecting the two wealthiest regions, and the tourism boom has largely depended on it, so those routes linking the capital and the coast are kept at a high standard, while the condition of the roads from Zagreb towards Osijek and Slavonski Brod is frankly embarrassing
psyspin13@reddit
Nice! Cheers mate!
Third_Rate_Duelist_@reddit
Why is China approving our roads when they are bad?
Novel_Plum@reddit
Bro tried to sneak Turkey in the EU.
AirWolf231@reddit
Have any of you actually driven in "EU roads", the German ones are always closed for reconstruction, the Austrian ones are always closed for no god damn reason what so ever, the French ones are full of the French(they all think they own the whole road), the Italian ones have Italian drivers(getting your car scratched or bumped into is not considered a accident) and dont get me even started on Belgium ones... they dont have potholes, they have pottrenches.
FerretExtension7048@reddit
if we talk about highways,highwayd in ex yu region,(idk for other countries,never been)most highways feel wider and sfaer than those in EU countries in some central Europe countries like Hungary,Czechia,Slovakia
GroundZeroMstrNDR@reddit
That's hungary
Kaito__1412@reddit
New EU balken roads are the best in the world probably.
Successful-Biggy@reddit
New Balkan roads ? Best joke ever! I drove 2.5k km 1 year ago and almost 2k km were in just two lanes of road, one going and one coming. There is almost no reflectors on the road so people make themself visible by flashing. Cell coverage is very poor even on highways. The only good thing about the road was views.
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
where are they located I am gonna send some romanian friends there to check it out
43ko@reddit
In Bulgaria it's pretty much like the second part of the video.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Croatian and Montenegrin roads are good. Turkey has some great bridges and tunnels and their roads are also in good shape. The rest of Balkans is like being forever under construction.
bosko43buha@reddit
Turkey would be a nice place to drive if there wasn't so many Turks driving. But yeah, tunnels can be really nice.
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
how to embezzle fund road maintenance editon
CocoonNapper@reddit
To all my Bulgarians: we are in the EU, and according to this video, we have nothing to complain about! I feel better already.
Serbian_solider@reddit
Posnia🇹🇰🗣️🇹🇰🗣️🇹🇰🗣️🇹🇰raaahh
Little-Zucca-1503@reddit
Second case resumes pretty well the trip in Greece I just made 🫡
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
greek tech
shogunlazo@reddit
Skill issue 🙌... The roads are fine
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
Perfect roads are boring tbh
humanistazazagrliti@reddit
When guests and tourists envy you for the scenic road through a beautiful canyon along a pristine river, but you just want to slap them since you have to commute there 3x a week, almost 2 hours each way for a trip that should take less than half the time.
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
Kosovo best countrie ????!????!!
humanistazazagrliti@reddit
This specific example was in the North of Bosnia, but I think this applies to many countries xD
nomebi@reddit
balkan roads are crazy, was in republika srpska and montenegro and i feel like one way roads don't really exist in the same way as in the rest of europe. Even mountian roads with only space for 1 vehicle will be used from both sides and if 2 vehicles meet, the smaller one will have to back off until they reach a point where both can fit
kostence@reddit
The beat tho… what’s that song btw loved it
EmreTaptukYunus@reddit
Perfect for getting lost in the rhythm of the music.
DriveByAtanCivciv@reddit
TÜRKİYE EUU RAAHHHH 💶💶
NoMatterWhaa@reddit (OP)
Average EU resident