Kissing a woman's hand can be sexual assault, Spanish court finds
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Chipay@reddit
Yeah, well deserved I'd say.
slicerprime@reddit
Indeed. But, the title makes it seem like it's all about a hand kiss. Obviously there was more to it than just that, like the fact he walked up to her out of the blue at a bus stop and that whole payment bit.
Ironlion45@reddit
Even if it was "just" a hand kiss, that's still violating someone. Don't get saliva on other people's bodies without consent, come on.
slicerprime@reddit
Oh, I agree that just walking up and smacking your slimy lips on some unsuspecting stranger is all kinds of wtf. Maybe even prosecuteable, depending on the laws where it occurs. I'm just not sure it qualifies as "sexual assault" specifically by itself. However, in this case, since solicitation is also a factor (along with any other applicable variables), it might very well all add up to sexual assault.
JoelMahon@reddit
well it's the daily mail, ofc they're going to use clickbait titles
oh nvm, it's the BBC... glad I don't have a TV licence
EyewarsTheMangoMan@reddit
Off topic but as someone who isn't for the UK, using BBC iPlayer with a vpn is so funny. You open the website and a popup shows up where they ask "Do you have a TV licence?" and you have two options, yes and no. If you click yes, you get access to everything lol
RetardedSheep420@reddit
of course the title is that, how else would you generate clicks and outrage otherwise?
kingofthecanyon@reddit
And then you'll here Steve (61) talking in the break room how you can go prison for kissing a woman's hand and how the woke left mob has ruined the world
slicerprime@reddit
Ooooohhhhhh right. How silly of me.
Auspectress@reddit
Yeah bc it it said non clickbaity then it would have less upvotes
3v0lut10n@reddit
Spain is fucking wild. Every public bathroom i used in Barcelona there were multiple dudes standing at urinals masturbating.
DontBuyMeGoldGiveBTC@reddit
I live in Spain and I have never ever seen anyone masturbating anywhere. Dafuq
Select-Owl-8322@reddit
The fuck?!
I've been to Spain many times (own an apartment there), and I have never seen anything like what you describe.
You do know that most men shake their dicks after urinating, right? Is this some poor attempt at a joke? Like from that movie, whichever one it was, when god, I mean Morgan Freeman, said something about that if you shake it more than twice you're playing with it.
3v0lut10n@reddit
I’m talking about standing at the fucking urinal at the mall on La Rambla next to me and obviously stroking themselves while staring right at me.
Another, incident a few days later, I had massive food poisoning and could barely leave the hotel room for a couple days. One one occasion i made it out of the room after i was able to obtain some local pharmacy sourced Imodium. We walked to a mall and i immediately had to hit the bathroom. Ran into a bathroom and day in the stall for 45 minutes. When i went in, there were 3 guys in the bathroom. 2 at urinals and another at the sink. They all stared as i walked in. 45 minutes later when i left, THEY WERE ALL STILL THERE, in the same fucking spots.
sexaddic@reddit
I thought that only happened in Czech
un_blob@reddit
I can recognize a man of culture when I see one !
sexaddic@reddit
😈
re_carn@reddit
If a woman offers her hand to be kissed (say, you reenactors) - that’s one thing, but if you grab her hand and kiss it against her will - that’s sexual harassment. It seems logical to me.
Reasonable-Web1494@reddit
Just to be devils advocate, when does an inappropriate action becomes a sexual harassment instead of just being creepy or weird
Chipay@reddit
The moment you offer to pay a stranger for sexual favours at a bus stop.
slicerprime@reddit
This
The hand kiss alone is not enough IMO. But when you add the suggestion of a financial transaction for sex it puts it in a whooooooole different context. I mean, the former is creepy at worst. But the latter is "Hey whore, here's some cash. Let's go back to my place".
I think that's a pretty distinct difference.
fuckyouifyouseethis@reddit
ew why would the hand kiss not be SA
marvin_bender@reddit
It some contries older folk especially kiss hands like crazy. It's meant to show respect and even submission in some cases.
fuckyouifyouseethis@reddit
depends on culture of course!
show_me_your_silly@reddit
unwanted contact usually means battery (or the Spanish equivalent), for it to be “sexual” assault there has to be a sexual connotation like there was in this case (he was offering money for sex)
fuckyouifyouseethis@reddit
but thats unwanted disgusting physical romantic contact
show_me_your_silly@reddit
agreed.
Reasonable-Web1494@reddit
The article mentions it is in broad daylight , but what If he offered it at say 11 PM. In my country there is a preposition that , If a woman is by herself standing in the streets after 9pm that she is a sex worker.
P0ptarthater@reddit
It’s so fun when people feel the need to turn stuff that makes others feel unsafe on a daily basis into silly little thought experiments
Dic3dCarrots@reddit
Consent. Unwanted touching is battery, you cant be putting your hands on strangers, let alone your lips.
TooManyPxls@reddit
Grog be devils advocate, why Grog need consent when he can bonk them over head?
MaestroRozen@reddit
The same as when an "appropriate" action becomes harrasment: when the person you're doing it to is not consenting.
1egg_4u@reddit
Some things dont need a devils advocate
Mavian23@reddit
Devil's advocate is always good. It forces you to defend your position against any conceivable criticism. It was originally a role in the Catholic Church used to argue against a person's canonization. It was meant to make sure the person could pass all muster before being canonized. Playing devil's advocate doesn't mean you believe in the argument.
imalurkernotaposter@reddit
Yeah, surely the devil has enough lawyers.
robodude987@reddit
Most people would say it becomes harassment when it involves kissing someone else's body without their consent. Is a devil's advocate really needed for such a simple idea?
Liimbo@reddit
A lot of what guys call "creepy" is secual harassment/assault. But I think once you physically touch a person without their consent in that manner then there is no longer any shadow of a doubt.
wet_suit_one@reddit
The least unwanted touch is an assault. Add in the sexual component and it's sexual assault.
This is pretty simple, first year crim law stuff (at least where I'm at anyways).
I guess it's different elsewhere.
Interesting...
TheForestGrumbler@reddit
Agreed if there is sexual component. But putting all potential unwanted contacts under the assault umbrella would be a can of worms and dilute the term into a joke.
ThatHeckinFox@reddit
Maybe it's just me being autistic, and having to tolerate neurotypical societies swirling maelstrom of idiocy every day of my life...
But this whole "This thing made me mildly uncomfortable for a hot minute. MAKE IT A CRIME!!!" thing is just... nyeh.
Suck it the fuck up.
OddddCat@reddit
I can understand where that perspective comes from, but “This thing made me mildly uncomfortable for a hot minute” isn’t quite the reality some women face.
For some, the reality is that today a man kissed their hand even though they didn’t want him to, yesterday a male colleague touched them on the hips rather than the shoulders as he would have done with male colleagues to move her aside, the day before that some dude on the train stood waaay closer to her than he needed to, and so on and so forth...
So these little things add up so that just ‘sucking it up’ simply doesn't work anymore (nor should it be necessary).
marvin_bender@reddit
So the solution is to prosecute people for all this shit. I am an introverted men who like personal space. I hate it when people stay close to me. Should I just file 10 reports per day because I live in a busy city and it happens a lot. Or do only women get the right?
HRSuperior@reddit
go outside and kiss the first womans hand you see
ThatHeckinFox@reddit
Why the hell would I do that?
Lifekraft@reddit
Honestly i agree it could fall under sexual assault umbrella but i also think we need better word and label. Because between a woman that got her hand kissed by a stranger and a woman that got raped by multiple men , both are sexual assault victim legally but i dont think its even comparable.
Deriniel@reddit
i agreed.
It's socially inappropriate and something you shouldn't do to a woman you don't know?Absolutely.
Can this be considered sexual assault,from a purely ethical prospective? Yeah, i guess.
Can this be considered a crime and be judged as sexual assault? I.. honestly think not.
Or at least, let's not call it sexual assault. Let's call it "unrequested body contact with sexual connotation" or something and slap a smaller fine on it.
wizardrous@reddit
Honestly is pretty creepy unless you know the person intimately. I don’t want some randos mouth on any part of my body.
TeethBreak@reddit
Anyone who grabs my hand and makes that gesture better have a good health and dental insurance.
jimmycarr1@reddit
Relevant username
TeethBreak@reddit
Hell yeah.
veggiesama@reddit
It's not creepy, it's assault and battery
KidOcelot@reddit
Especially since oral hpv is incurable, even though the hand transmission rate is low, i wouldnt risk it.
Lazy-Field-1116@reddit
Headlines like this from the BBC become part of the problem when they're clearly designed just to stoke things. "Man is accused of sexual assault after approaching stranger, kissing her, and trying to coerce her" could have been a headline. Instead they have to make it inflammatory to get eyes on the page, and get those gammons frothing at the mouth. So tired of it.
Xtrems876@reddit
I think any action can be sexual assault in the right context. I don't think sexual assault is really about what action took place. If I wave at you and smile but somehow also let you know between the lines that this waving means I find the idea of taking you to bed irresistible, then that wave was sexual assault. I think that if you believe otherwise, you just want to be able to assault people and get away with it via a law loophole, or you're just kind of hyperfixated on rules and care more about them following some scheme that itches an itch in your brain without any actual interest in if these rules are actually helpful or not.
irisxxvdb@reddit
Well, yes. He kissed her hand and tried to sollicit her for prostitution. Of course that's not okay.
I've been in a similar situation where a stranger at a dingy hotel said suggestive things to me, and after I told him to stop he smiled, got closer and put his hand on my knee.
I panicked and yelled "don't fucking touch me", which prompted other guests to intervene. He got really weird and quiet, wandered around the room looming over people, started eating off of people's plates (??) and the owners called the cops.
I felt bad for escalating since he didn't touch any intimate body parts, but the police told me very clearly that unwanted touch anywhere on the body is assault.
Anyways - they had to drag him out kicking and screaming, he beat the interior of the cop car to a pulp and punched a cop in the face. He was apparently on the brink of a drug induced psychosis. He never got convicted because he fled the country after release.
All of this to say: this title is insanely misleading and context matters.
spectralLamb@reddit
I’ve had so many dudes grab my hand and practically make out with it 🤢 some won’t let go when you try to pull away either, act like they’re being charming. It’s not, it’s just fucking gross and smarmy. Get your nasty slobber away from me.
Prestigious_Car_7921@reddit
This title seems pretty disingenuous. DO NOT kiss somebody (or any part of their body) without their permission. This should be able to go without saying but obviously it doesn’t.