my pc is already built but im having issues and im not being responded to on other forums
Posted by Fearless-Tear7136@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 50 comments
basically i am averaging 10 fps in all of my games from peak to overwatch and i dont know why. it happened suddenly, no warning. one day i got on Zenless Zone Zero and suddenly could barely play. no viruses, ive done a full scan, my temps are fine, averaging 35C on low performance games and 60C on high performance games, and my resource usage is low while gaming
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770
GPU: NVIDIA RTX 3060 version 595.97
as for the motherboard this pc was gifted to me so its one of the bad ones and i dont have the money to change it
Motherboard: STGAUBRON Intel B85
my power supplu is a CORSAIR CX650M 80 plus bronze semi-modular ATX 650 watts
please suggest a motherboard that i can upgrade too and if anyone knows whats wrong please let me know
Salt_Reputation1869@reddit
Did you figure out the problem?
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
Yes, gotta replace my motherboard and my CPU
Salt_Reputation1869@reddit
Did you try new thermal paste?
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
Didn't need it
isotope123@reddit
There's a lot going on here...
Your PC is 13+ years old, I don't think you'll have much luck even if you replace the motherboard. If your PC is turning on, the mobo is likely not the issue here anyways.
Check if you're using the graphics card or igpu in game. Since you said this happened suddenly, what fps were you getting before the issue occurred? Have you checked the event viewer for errors? Did you change anything in your configuration? Was there a power outage? What PCIe version is your card running on?
When you say resource usage is low, what do you mean exactly? Be specific. Is your gpu usage low but your CPU high? How about your RAM, and your SSD utilization in game? What resolution are you gaming at?
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
I was averaging 60 fps for most of my games because that's what I kept it capped at, both GPU usage is averaging 23% usage and CPU is averaging 27% usage on Zenless Zone Zero. It is using my GPU 0 which is dedicated to my graphics card, not the IGPU. I hadn't changed anything, there was no power outage I had just turned off my PC and went to bed, woke up got back on my game and was suddenly averaging 10 frames. My resolution is 1920x1080 which is the default for my pc. My Ram is using between 8 and 10 GB out of the 16. I checked my ssd health and the only issue there was my volume bitmap and I got that fixed. I didn't check my event viewer because I didn't know what that was, this is my first PC so I know very little. As for SSD utilisation idk how to check that, my PCI is V.4.0 x 16
Eyphio@reddit
As a fellow ZZZ player, I can tell you it is a very CPU/l3 cache reliant game.
If you are seeing 27% cpu usage in afterburner, it probably means only one of the four cores of that ancient i7 is working while the other 3 are chilling.
But you said the problem happened suddenly. Along with the fresh windows install did you reinstall the games as well?
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
Indeed I did. The issue was fixed for 2 hours after I did the fresh windows install then it crapped out again
Shoddy-Yam7331@reddit
First off all. Your PCIe is 3.0, not 4.0. For seckond. Check your CPU frequency. Its looklike HWlock. Like issue, caused by failured VRM (used for CPU), witch cause, then CPU cannot boost to max frequency.
isotope123@reddit
Keep an eye on the bitmap error, if it reoccurs you have a failing drive on your hands, in all likelihood. You also can't be using PCIe 4.0 because your motherboard wouldn't support higher than PCIe 3.0 (because again, old). That doesn't matter for performance, but my question was to prompt you to look in your BIOS and see if the version had been moved to PCIe 1.0, which would negatively impact your card.
To view event viewer, right click your start button and select it from the menu. There are a tonne of videos that can show you how to use it, and it's an incredibly useful tool for troubleshooting, so I encourage you to mess around with it.
There is nothing obviously wrong from what you've written so far, no smoking gun to help us figure out the issue. My intuition says PSU issue, maybe. Your utilization is very low, it's possible parts aren't getting fed enough power.
Things to check: clock speeds on both GPU and CPU while in game. I can't remember the windows 10 task manager layout too well, but I imagine it should tell you the clock speeds. If you're seeing full boost speeds on the cpu and gpu then the low utilization isn't the issue, it just means the game is not intensive. There should also be a section for your SSD. If it's dying, that could also explain the bottleneck.
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
I'll check all of that. With the PCIe I was checking through HWinfo and that's what it said so that might be the issue considering my motherboard doesn't support it. I'll try to figure out how to fix that, thank you for the advice
isotope123@reddit
Don't worry about the PCIe, use GPU-Z, it will tell you the real rate it's running at, if you're curious. For a 3060 Ti there will be no functional difference between running at PCIe 4 or 3, all PCIe versions are fully backwards compatible, and your card doesn't move enough bandwidth for it to matter.
I was going after a niche issue where your BIOS messed up and put you to PCIe 1.0, which would impact your cards performance. However, based on the further info you've shared, I don't think that's the problem.
cookieflips@reddit
This is confusing especially if it's something that only happened randomly after a while that it's been running. You mention that you didn't really update anything, and you've re-installed the OS as well, I'd wager something hardware-wise might be failing. Something like this happened to me at some point but it was more related to my PSU. I had slow reads and loading times, but nothing critical, until the frequency of blue screens increased, and hard drives started failing one after another. 3 hard drive swaps and a ram swap later, I find out that one of the rails of my PSU was failing and now I have a stockpile of Harddrives I can use.
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
I'll check this out because 2 or 3 months ago I did get a new power supply
TheFurryOne@reddit
Did you swap out all the cables when you got the new PSU??
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
Yes I did
cookieflips@reddit
Let us know, in my case the entire PSU which was only 2 months old, had an entire rail fail. Swapping the entire PSU ended up fixing everything for me.
EntireAd233@reddit
only other thing I can think of is going to the bias restore everything to factory defaults then reassign the GPU to the primary
The_0rifice@reddit
After reading over the thread, the fresh windows install you did, eliminates the possibility of a software config issue, unless a windows update has done it. Depending how updated the windows install iso file is compared to your Windows version was before your issue. At this rate I'd use some software to test your hardware components, The "memtest x86" is good to test your RAM. And some of the other commenters have mentioned other software to test other hardware. I'd also perhaps try monitoring at what point during your games the issue begins and see what event viewer errors come up during that time frame, specifically driver crashes.
Salt_Reputation1869@reddit
Change the thermal paste on your CPU.
kind_bros_hate_nazis@reddit
Go away
Puzzleheaded-Ear8017@reddit
Install hwinfo64, then run a stress test that will push both CPU and GPU and see if there any over temp issues.
Mint_Fury@reddit
Check your clocks, see if your CPU and GPU are running at the correct clock speeds and not being throttled down. I usually use hwinfo to do this
Big_jas0709@reddit
Have you tried doing some isolated testing of the cpu and gpu. Something like prime95 for cpu and heaven for GPU. My focus would start with your older components, is the PSU also the same age as the MB and CPU? Try and isolate whether the issue is your gpu or cpu ?
Are other tasks affected like browsing the internet or watching YouTube or is it just gaming?
I’m not one to normally suggest throwing parts at the problem but you could probably get a pretty decent cpu and mb upgrade for very cheap that will be a huge step up from your current setup.
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
It's only gaming, I'll do a test for both as soon as possible
Overall-Tailor8949@reddit
First make sure your monitor is connected to the GPU and not to the motherboard graphics.
How much memory is installed, hopefully it's at least 16GB
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
Yes, I have 16gb and I've ensured my monitor is connected to the GPU
Overall-Tailor8949@reddit
How about your system drive, what is it and how FULL is it? You might need to clear old stuff out. I like either BleachBit or WiseCare 365, both work well and are free.
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
Update; I have 231 GB free out of 475 GB now compared to the 310gb
Overall-Tailor8949@reddit
That should be plenty of room for any swap/temp files that Windoze or the games need. Do you know if it's an SSD or a mechanical drive? If it's a mechanical check the fragmentation (that's a REAL long shot by the way).
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
I am downloading bleachbit as I type this
plays-with-daggers@reddit
Have you tried an older version of video card drivers?
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
Yes and unfortunately that didn't work
plays-with-daggers@reddit
Reflash the bios?
ThePupnasty@reddit
Clean windows install.
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
I did that and it unfortunately changed nothing
ThePupnasty@reddit
Any issues with doing anything besides games in Windows?
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
Not necessarily no
beermoneymike@reddit
It's an old system. The 4770 was released in 2013. Did you check the game specs against your system?
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
I don't know how to check my game specs, I'm not tech savvy at all this is my first pc
beermoneymike@reddit
Google it. You put the name of the game + specifications in the search. It will tell you what hardware and software the developers want you to use for the game.
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
My CPU is still compatible with the games I play luckily
nlflint@reddit
He says the performance issue started suddenly, which, to me, means it used to work fine with that CPU. So I don't think a perfectly functioning 4770 is the problem.
EntireAd233@reddit
it's probably an updated driver issue start installed uninstalling the latest drivers corresponding to the date get started acting up or if you have system restore turned on go back to an earlier version
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
Unfortunately I've done that twice
ime1em@reddit
Did u change anything before this happened like drivers or ka updates etc..?
Fearless-Tear7136@reddit (OP)
No, I did absolutely nothing. I'm on windows 10 so no windows updates and I only updated my driver after the fact
beermoneymike@reddit
Google it. You put the name of the game + specifications in the search. It will tell you what hardware and software the developers want you to use for the game.
Titan_IIIE@reddit
Check drivers. Fresh install.
nlflint@reddit
What are those temps for? You should have separate temps for CPU and GPU.
Are you sure you're using the 3060 GPU and not the iGPU on the Intel chip?