Hegseth Authorizes Off-Duty Service Members to Carry Private Firearms on Installations

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Shadeslayr93@reddit

A ton of people in the Army sub are pissed about this. My thought is, if we have this many people in our armed forces we don't trust to leave their gun in their vehicle on a daily basis, that says more about the army than it does gun owners. Still waiting to hear the full details personally.

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skindroid@reddit

The problem you outline is so much bigger than you can imagine and Hegseths words about "highest unwavering standards" are pretty hilarious.

The "big military" is shockingly bad at safely handling pistols and has zero training using one outside of an extremely controlled range environment.

Probably 1% of the .mil is qualified for a CCW based on their military training alone.

I'm sure not against people carrying on base, but pretending that the military at large prepares people to do so safely is fucking crazy.

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calmbill@reddit

100% satisfy the requirements for CHP in Virginia based on their military training alone.

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skindroid@reddit

yeah and that's a joke too

I'm not talking about the requirements as they are written, I'm talking about the actual quality of the training.

All states should get rid of the stupid CCL carve outs for "military training" - a vague and nearly irrelevent term.

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Thriftless_Ambition@reddit

I was in the infantry and I can confidently say that my military training was more than enough for me to safely carry a pistol. Now, I didn't spend much time shooting one compared to rifles and machine guns. But I definitely could have safely carried it without shooting myself or someone else in the ass or something

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ihatebeinggrownup@reddit

I think that is the other commenter's point. All the Non-Combat mos's don't really touch any weapons outside of their basic training and MCT, may be a rifle call once a year. I think even being in the infantry barracks for any amount of time lets you know that some of these people do not need to have firearms in their rooms. As strict as the military has always been about ammo counts and amnesty boxes, I would assume they generally felt the same way.

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Shadeslayr93@reddit

Great, now do the same logic for the general public. I don't disagree there isn't enough time handling weapons for most in the military. But if you have this opinion of the military, you sound like someone who wants to mandate training/permits for the general public. Not very libertarian of you. If training is important, do it on your own dime/time.

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jmizzle@reddit

Forget the general public, how about the police who constantly get special carve outs by states that pass unconstitutional 2A restrictions

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Alan_Turings_Apple@reddit

If training is important, do it on your own dime.

This is not incongruous with a non-libertarian viewpoint, pay to play and all that.

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skindroid@reddit

Understandable response and I should have stated my post was just an observation of the reality of the current US military, not necessarily indicative of my beliefs.

The average person should be able to get whatever they want and training shouldn't be a gate, ever.

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Due_Patience_7848@reddit

But also Reddit is full of liberals... even in the Army. Most service members I know don't actually care or just ignored the old rules lol

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Alchoholocaustic@reddit

I don't know their parking situation, but it's generally safer to keep on your person than in your vehicle.

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Shadeslayr93@reddit

My understanding of the order doesn't allow weapons in government buildings. It basically allows people the opportunity to defend themselves when commuting to/from duty location (like most employers.) Also gives the opportunity to retrieve from vehicles in an emergency/attack. Similar to most private employers. Previously they weren't allowed on post without an insane amount of paperwork.

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AYE-BO@reddit

I mean, its one card you fill out with the serial numbers.

But, the weapons could only be transported from where they were being stored straight to the POW range or off post. Not stops in between (gas, food, nothing). The regs around personal firearms are dumb as hell.

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theFartingCarp@reddit

Can confirm the paperwork. Before I left the Army I kept my hangun in the armsroom. Talk about a paperwork NIGHTMARE

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skindroid@reddit

As a former mil dude of 12 years, specific verbiage stands out in the actual release:

"to request to carry privately owned firearms while in their nonofficial duty capacity on DOW property within the United States."

This probably just means a bunch of people will request it and get a "personalized" denial as a response (has your name on a form letter telling you nicely to fuck off and you don't need it).

"Malicious compliance" goes all the way to the top.

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GrimHoly@reddit

He also said that the request must be assumed necessary ie that is default approve unless there is a reason not too

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skindroid@reddit

The military never runs out of reasons to fuck you

but hopefully it goes differently

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