Secretary of War Pete Hegseth (@SecWar) - Our military installations have been turned into gun-free zones—leaving our service members vulnerable and exposed. That ends today.
Posted by intelw1zard@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 444 comments
adelie42@reddit
Does this mean we need more or fewer Guardian Angels?
MalPB2000@reddit
What does this mean?
adelie42@reddit
It is common to recruit locals to fight along side as allies, but people know this and will get recruited intentionally to commit mass shootings on bases. Guardian Angels are snipers and body guards that keep an eye on allies in case they turn and take them out quickly.
D1Corner@reddit
As a dude who lives in the barracks as we speak, this is a terrible idea
tghost474@reddit
Im a weekend warrior and i approve. Just because you cant keep your boots in line ain’t the rest of out problem.
D1Corner@reddit
Bro really thought that him being a weekend warrior meant he knows how the real army works 😭
tghost474@reddit
Ik it doesnt work and AD doesnt do shit.
D1Corner@reddit
Lmao i actually can’t believe a natty guard just told me active duty doesn’t do shit 😭
D1Corner@reddit
D1Corner@reddit
LastOneSergeant@reddit
This idea can only appeal to people completely disconnected from what type of shenanigans go on in the barracks.
On the one hand, I've to hand it to hollywood for never really portraying the immature chaos.
To translate.
Hey America, how would you feel about arming everyone in a college dorm, only the students are a bit dumber, and have access to more beer
richiemendoza@reddit
As someone who did my fair share of CQ, especially on weekends and holidays, in an infantry battalion, I think you exaggerate a lot in your posts. There were shenanigans for sure, but rarely did it ever lead to violence.
D1Corner@reddit
These people do not know the absolute debauchery that goes on in the b’s lol
chefboyrdeee@reddit
Please elaborate. I’m not in the military and genuinely curious.
AlwaysFinnishInsider@reddit
Former enlisted and barracks dweller here. Most military members that live in the barracks are young and stupid and an overwhelming number of them develop drinking problems. Add guns to that mix and you've got negligent discharges and unsafe weapon handling with a high potential for casualties and injury.
Suggett123@reddit
There will be dueling.
chefboyrdeee@reddit
Ooof. Yeah, guns and alcohol don’t mix.
Lastito@reddit
So get rid of the guns and let them keep drinking driving that tank…?
Dexcessive@reddit
Good luck keeping alcohol out of a base.
GrenadeJuggler@reddit
GO1 is why I, and so many others, know how to homebrew.
Lastito@reddit
They did it with guns, right?
Oh wait, nevermind… they didnt as you can tell from the last shootings on bases..
Dexcessive@reddit
So you agree that prohibited items are gonna get brought on base regardless of if it’s banned or not.
Next-Movie-3319@reddit
You realize that the problem is the alcohol, not the guns right?
chefboyrdeee@reddit
Yes, I’m very aware of that. Alcohol impedes decision making. I’ve never thought it was a good idea to call my ex while carrying, but I get that itch when I used to drink too much.
Destroyer1559@reddit
Psh not with that attitude
ecant004@reddit
Think of it as an opportunity for hip pocket training.
React to an ambush Evaluate a casualty Conduct a CASEVAC
devasst8r@reddit
I do a agree everyone has rights. There are documented case where service member mix alcohol with loaded firearm, and what about suicide watch, unit watch or command interest profile?
Toshinit@reddit
I get what you're saying, but you could say the same thing about college students. If a state went on to ban firearms for anyone enrolled in college would you feel the same?
I also think it's probably a net negative to have firearms in the barracks as an Army vet, but it also doesn't seem right that service members lost their 2A rights when out of uniform. Especially when you regained your 1A rights when out of uniform.
HoweHaTrick@reddit
Do you really think college students should be able to carry on campus?
I went to college and I don't think this is a good idea at all.
lethalmuffin877@reddit
I think under 21 there should be graduated 6 month/12 month/24 month training programs with exams/proficiency tests at each graduation. 1st level graduation, small caliber rifles. 2nd level, rifles and shotguns. 3rd level, pistols and concealed carry.
The major issue with gun related incidents and younger people is that either they are irresponsible and see the gun as a toy to be played with or an unstable person wanting the weapon to commit tragedies.
Training programs would consist of one on one instruction and during that training the RO or whoever would note any serious mental health concerns which would then need to be cleared by therapist or counselor. Obviously this is an extreme rough draft, but I’d be happy to see America ditch gun control by blanket restrictions in favor of gun control by proficiency.
Toshinit@reddit
It’s not exactly the same because the vast majority of soldiers can’t own a firearm at home, since they live in the barracks.
jgzman@reddit
I've never heard of a dorm that allowed guns.
Toshinit@reddit
You aren’t required to live on a campus at gunpoint
jgzman@reddit
When you sign an enlistment contract, you agree to do a lot of shit you may want to do. You waive quite a few of your rights under the constitution, even.
And, from your statement above, you regain your first amendment rights while out of uniform and off base.
You lose your fourth amendment rights, on base.
At no point do you regain your fifth amendment rights. To be fair, being in the land or naval forces is called out as a loophole, but the Air Force and Space Force should be covered.
Sixth and Seventh amendments don't apply, as you are subject to Martial Law.
So I'm not sure why you think the Second is so special.
slickweasel333@reddit
Kansas State, U of Kansas, and University of Arkansas all allow guns in dorms, and you never hear about any mass shootings at those campuses.
Such-Ad2433@reddit
I mean banning firearms from university dorms isn't a bad idea...
slickweasel333@reddit
Kansas State, U of Kansas, and University of Arkansas all allow guns in dorms, and you never hear about any mass shootings at those campuses.
Black_CatLounge@reddit
...and they fight over girls all the time. 🤦♂️
teilani_a@reddit
The stripper said she loves ME, not YOU!
MojaveCourierSix@reddit
Sounds like that would be the fault of the people who are in charge
Lastito@reddit
I would be more worried about them being behind a tanks or bombs than a gun…
CiD7707@reddit
Do you have any idea how unfucking likely it is for a crew to let somebody on their team drive a tank or fly a fucking plane drunk?
Lastito@reddit
About as unlikely a shooting would happen at a base i guess. How many are we up to now? 4, 5, 6, ..?
LastOneSergeant@reddit
Go watch the movie Animal House.
Only instead of a row of frat houses containing a few hundred immature poorly supervised kids it's thousands.
And all the ones whose best option after HS was enlisting.
Dragonnuttz@reddit
Imagine Frat houses with guns.....
NoHomoAmphibian@reddit
I carried a gun in college. Never had an issue.
osubmw1@reddit
2 things for sure happen in almost every barracks I've been in: copious drinking and dumb ass decisions.
RealJyrone@reddit
A mess.
People are going to be dumb, people are going to get shot, there will be safety briefs, and shit will suck.
Military suicides will also rise, so not good. The bases being gun free zones has saved the lives of more people than I think any statistics could show.
420FappistMonk69@reddit
As someone who has never been in a barracks the youtube videos are gonna be entertaining.
Nihlathakk@reddit
Every 1st sgt everywhere is having a stroke right now. We keep firearms in the armory on base for a reason… I was a marine, most marines are great at handling firearms, most marines aren’t even 22 yet also and drink in the barracks for fun all weekend.
GrenadeJuggler@reddit
"Hey Top. We caught two of yours playing William Tell in the common area. One flagged base security. The other chucked the apple on his head and was recorded saying 'An apple a day keeps the MPs away.' before getting tased. They've been dropped in confinement until you and their first line come to collect them."
Miguel1219@reddit
Ever since going on KMEP in 2024, I was shocked to find out when living on the ROK base that the Koreans keep their weapons in the barracks because every floor in the building has an armory room. I know us Marines are better than ROK Marines but I wonder there the disconnect is why we wouldn’t or couldn’t have a similar thing.
mapex_139@reddit
lol
Nihlathakk@reddit
For 14 months (2x7 month) I carried a rifle everywhere from the safest bases where you don’t even put a mag in to sleeping with a round in the chamber under my truck and combat or no it’s stressful carrying all the time. Someone, sometime is gonna have a round in the chamber by accident at some point. I never saw a negligent discharge but I saw guys absolutely squared away get distracted by the radio or whatever and still has a round in the chamber at the chow hall after a convoy. He pulls the charging handle back at the clear barrel and out pops a round 😬. Long story short I couldn’t wait to give my rifle back to the armory both times. I didn’t even own a firearm for probably 18 years after that last time.
wtfredditacct@reddit
There's a mile wide chasm between allowing firearms on base and allowing an E-2 in the barracks to keep a firearm in his wall locker.
MadGenderScientist@reddit
which is it here?
wtfredditacct@reddit
Not sure I understand the question.
spezeditedcomments@reddit
Oh no, and bunch of adult men have to act like adults.
We've babyfied society so fucking much
turbotictac@reddit
You've clearly never been around a bunch of drunk, fresh out of boot camp, men
RandoAtReddit@reddit
You could leave a group of privates alone in a field with an anvil and come back an hour later to find the anvil broken in half with nobody knowing how it happened.
ClearlyInsane1@reddit
The joke is better with 3 anvils.
You leave 3 anvils alone with 3 privates to protect them. You come back later and find one anvil broken in half, the second one lost, and the third one pregnant.
osubmw1@reddit
We had a hurricane proof barracks. It was not ranger proof
MojaveCourierSix@reddit
So I guess you would prefer your soldiers to be sitting ducks for Mass murderers. No other country in the world prohibits military personnel from being armed on base. It's a ridiculous concept.
Background_Mode4972@reddit
I would prefer servicemen shelter in place and let base quick reaction forces handle the situation.
Bartman383@reddit
Patently false. I've been deployed to more than a dozen foreign bases over the years and none of them allowed personally owned firearms to be carried.
BasicallyNuclear@reddit
How is this any different from an 18 year old having a gun at home and beer in the fridge.
jeropian-moth@reddit
As a federal civilian that has to disarm himself for most of his day now because I work on base, I like it.
Vinegar_Fingers@reddit
Unfortunately this does not appear to extend to us.
im-not-a-fakebot@reddit
Although depending on how things go this could extend to us. I live in Florida and I’m a permanent DOW sca contractor and it’s more or less a permanent position. If I can deploy with forces and I can carry an issued firearm while in FOBs but when I get back stateside I can’t carry neither a personal nor issued firearm while on post, that’s stupid. Not only that, a lot of us have 30-40 minute commutes to get to work, I almost gotten robbed twice last year on the way home and I couldn’t do anything except use my car as a battering ram to defend myself.
Operational_Opossum@reddit
This is the same logic they use to ban machine guns to civilians and all sorts of other shit. Back in the day, weapons rules used to be much more lax across the board.
This shit (mass shootings, suicides, etc.) didn’t happen nearly as much as they do now. This is DESPITE it being easier to access firearms. It’s our society that’s going down the shitter. Taking away guns just to alleviate some of the unpleasant symptoms is boot licking behavior.
ggibby@reddit
22 Veterans a day agree that having easy access to a weapon helped them.
https://www.22vetsaday.com/
illestdomer2005@reddit
Thank you. I am reading the comments here shocked that anyone in this sub is fighting against it. Are young people dumb? Sometimes. Does this maybe change some behavior? Who knows. We all know gun control doesn’t work though.
DoNotCensorMyName@reddit
If you live in the barracks you'll still have to keep your gun in the company armory and sign it in and out every time you want to carry it. I kept mine in a storage unit in town because I couldn't be bothered with that shi
Its_THE_Kowalski@reddit
i can only imagine the amount of dracos and "glocks wit da stik" will be in baracks now.... smh
a_single_legtuck@reddit
Probably mostly in the BSB and FSC barracks
ZeroPointSpecter@reddit
As the father of a son who just started BMT, I disagree.
THEFLYINGSCOTSMAN415@reddit
lol I don’t think your opinion as a dad really holds a candle to the opinion of someone currently living in a barracks
ZeroPointSpecter@reddit
I don’t think your opinion, as someone who is neither in the barracks nor has a child there, really holds a candle.
CommanderCone@reddit
Im sure your son would tell you 100% of the things he gets up to just like you told your father 100% of the things you got up to when you were young.
Kubliah@reddit
I knew a guy who broke his wrist repelling drunk from the barracks after some other drunk untied a knot he found wrapped around an antenna. He told his dad it was a mountain climbing accident.
-GenlyAI-@reddit
I'm sorry about the pointless harms way our piece of fuck president is putting your son in. Godspeed.
halcykhan@reddit
Ask your son after BMT. I had to confiscate knives and swords from my dipshits in the barracks as an NCO
NaperVillainBunny@reddit
Wrong
D1Corner@reddit
Lol everyone who agrees with this decision has never lived in the barracks
TheRedCelt@reddit
So make it only for guys who live off base. Based off my understanding, you have to submit a request to be able to carry on base. That seems like a lot of irresponsible junior members will be prevented (probably some responsible ones too, unfortunately 😒)
I served during 3 high profile mass shootings on military installations. I have argued this point with at least 3 commanding officers. This is long overdue.
hnybadgdntcare@reddit
Agreed, is he referring to people simply driving to and from work? They can still say no guns in barracks
MericanSlav25@reddit
It’s wild to think of military bases as ‘gun-free zones’. I would expect that every single personnel on base has a firearm on them.
Watch a mass casualty terror attack never happen on a base again after this. 👍
IcyFly521@reddit
So when the first mass shooting happens is the Secof war going to take responsibility
alltheblues@reddit
“Trained at the highest and unwavering standards”
Sorry_Plankton@reddit
Yeah and those dudes probsbly were never gonna carry anyway. Even untrained people should have the right to own a gun. And I say that as someone who has been in for 11 years. It literally never made sense to me I couldn't carry on post.
CiD7707@reddit
You underestimate stupid people at your own peril. I won't.
richiemendoza@reddit
You overestimate stupid people at everyone else's peril.
CiD7707@reddit
Really? Hows that US economy going? Trump get Mexico to pay for that wall? How about Iran? Still "winning"? You elected a fuckwit that put a podcaster im charge of the FBI that got his personal email hacked by fucking Iran. You've made the US a laughing stock.
GrenadeJuggler@reddit
Cool. You may as well stop doing things like driving or going to the doc then since you are exponentially more likely to be killed by Doc Fuckwit's sloppy handwriting or Tammy texting and driving than you are by Snuffy having an ND.
Wozak_@reddit
That’s a terrible take
a_single_legtuck@reddit
Stupid people can already bring guns on post anyways. Anyone can, and people do. It’s not like every car or person is searched.
Sorry_Plankton@reddit
How can you share this sentiment and have any pro firearm stance at all? If we can trust the general population with firearms than the few million we have in service, many of which I know personally to be fuckwits, can be trusted.
aSwell_Fella@reddit
Haha I was thinking the same thing.
NEp8ntballer@reddit
depending on branch and job, there's a concerning number of people who have not picked up a gun or shot one since basic training.
Background_Mode4972@reddit
Depending on the branch and job, some of those people should never touch a firearm…
Ive personally been around for: 1) sailor getting njp for shooting wall in barracks with a bb/pellet gun 2) sailor shooting the floor, ceiling, wall and divider on the range because said sailor was closing their eyes on said range when pulling the trigger. Sailor was voluntold to go to security guard duty by their command. 3) sailor nd into self while “checking to see if gun was loaded” and was totally not fucking around with a loaded gun, incident swept under rug by command because sailor was the command golden boy with an officer package approved or nearly approved.
GumboDiplomacy@reddit
I had a dude in basic that had to requalify because he spent the entire range day shooting at the target in the lane next to his.
My SSgt took four years to figure out he was cross eye dominant.
I learned more about marksmanship in two months working at a range than I did with four years in service.
Anyone who thinks that being a military member means you're an expert on firearms is as stupid as this administration is.
mkosmo@reddit
Nobody is trying to say that being a member of the armed forces makes you an expert.
But being a member of the armed forces also shouldn't limit you from having firearms.
BoredAFcyber@reddit
dude thats the whole fucking thing when you sign up. you give up a lot of rights not just this.
captain_lampshade@reddit
HOW??? The eye dominance test takes four seconds 😭
islesfan186@reddit
He must not have the Navy’s IG posts in the last year lol
TendstobeRight85@reddit
Clearly he has never been to a range with a medical unit.
NiftyFiftyBMG@reddit
LMAO 🤣
SawbackBayonet@reddit
Shocking all the people that suddenly pivot about being pro gun when it comes to service members on bases. Yeah dumb stuff goes on, yes they drink, but that has never been used as a reason to strip gun rights from anyone else.
BadgersHoneyPot@reddit
There's your mistake right there friend. Servicemembers do not have the same "rights" as civilians do. They exist in a parallel universe. They do not even fall under the same legal system.
richiemendoza@reddit
On post, maybe. Sgt Perry in Texas didn't go to Leavenworth, he went to jail in Texas, and got pardoned by the Governor.
proquo@reddit
It's the same thing with the idea of allowing teachers to lawfully carry at work. They whine about arming the teachers when it's really just about not legally prohibiting a right they have outside of work. No one is suggesting teachers be issued DOE Glock 47s but instead is pushing to allow teachers that are already qualified to carry a firearm in public to be able to carry while working.
Similarly, I can see why you wouldn't want the 19 year old boot private to be able to have a firearm on him with limited supervision, but why does the 18 year career Gunny who has actually used guns in combat environments and led some of those men need to have the same restrictions put on him as the 19 year old boot?
mmm_burrito@reddit
This has actually been argued by more than a couple folks.
AtomicPhantomBlack@reddit
Yeah, where I work, they've banned weapons from the entire property, parking lot included, because they're concerned about people going postal (low-wage factory, where some workers are forced to work many weeks without a single day of rest). It's not exactly a self-fulfilling prophecy, but I think if people shooting up the place is a legitimate concern (it is), I'd like to be able to defend myself.
Background_Mode4972@reddit
Agree with second part, I can understand the viewpoint of not wanting teachers armed as well, from two angles.
1) what if they miss and hit a innocent student? Teachers spend a lot of time doing teacher stuff, how do we ensure they are proficient?
2) teachers are supposed to be a trusted authority figure a student can speak with adding a gun to that mix could deter children from opening up to a teacher or make them feel less safe
Squirrel-451@reddit
Background_Mode4972@reddit
2) because you print when you carry, if you think you don’t, you’re lying to yourself.
1) yeah, and having a LTC doesn’t get you into schools with a gun. Someone carrying a gun in a school as a part of their job should be required to demonstrate proficiency with their firearm.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
You might print slightly when you carry sometimes. And thats rarely enough for anyone to take notice unless they’re specifically trying to determine whether or not you’re armed. You would have to be egregiously printing to the point where it’s just a downright lazy attempt at concealment.
This has been studied by people curious and paranoid about whether or not they’re printing. The results are always the same: nobody notices the printing except the person being paranoid that they’re printing.
Carrying a weapon doesn’t suddenly become more dangerous simply because you’re on school property. The same principles that apply outside a school also apply inside a school. There isn’t a realistic scenario that makes someone carrying inside a school more threatening to students than anyone else carrying a weapon outside the school who they unknowingly encounter every day of their lives without incident.
CigaretteTrees@reddit
I don’t see how the concerns for #1 would be any different from anyone else who wants to, or does, carry a firearm.
If you negligently or recklessly kill or injure a bystander even during a lawful self defense shooting you are exposed to criminal and civil liability.
For #2, the only people who would know that a teacher is carrying a firearm would be the administration/local law enforcement, and perhaps other teachers. Telling students that a specific teacher is carrying a firearm kinda defeats the whole purpose.
So the students wouldn’t be aware that their teacher has a gun and therefore wouldn’t act any differently towards their teacher. Even if they were somehow aware, which I see as extremely unlikely, I seriously doubt they would act any different.
I wouldn’t even be opposed to imposing stricter, tax payer funded, firearms training for teachers who wished to carry at school. That alone would alleviate any of the reasonable concerns. I’ve seen some areas which have allowed teachers to carry also have them training with local law enforcement. This kind of collaboration would be extremely helpful if a shooting was to ever happen.
This is how Florida does it. For teachers who want to carry at school they require psych evals, and a minimum of 144 hours of training with local Sheriff’s office, among other things.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
There’s also the fact that it’s extremely rare for that to happen in general, with cops and CCW holders or just home defense shootings. That’s regarding his first point, I mean.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
How many innocent people have you seen shot in defensive gun uses Im general? I mean armed civilians utilizing their right to carry. Because defensive gun use happens frequently. It’s even rare for cops to hit innocent bystanders and a lot of them seem to have a contest test to see who can unload most indiscriminately when shots are fired.
The entire point of concealed carry is that nobody knows your armed. If a student is aware that their teacher has a gun on them they’ve already failed at the point of concealed carry.
Former-Cake-3709@reddit
Qualified? What does that mean? You need no qualification to open carry is many states. So we have teachers with guns on their hips in class? Common sense, and the language of the Second Amendment, are ignored these days.
proquo@reddit
Qualified meaning legally compliant with state and federal law. Why should a teacher have their rights diminished at work?
Allowing teachers to be armed is fully consistent with both common sense and the language of the 2nd Amendment.
Background_Mode4972@reddit
Service members who can’t be trusted to live in off base housing/out of the barracks similarly cannot be trusted with unsupervised access to firearms. Not everyone in the military is qualified to carry a firearm.
My opinions were formed by 9 years on active duty, leaving as an E-6. This is an extremely bad policy that’s not been thought through at all.
SawbackBayonet@reddit
I get it, I'm an active duty officer at a basic training company. The stupidity I've seen among the trainees and even some soldiers here is sometimes astounding.
But when I think about it, every other dumb ass 18 year old can buy and do what they please with guns. And any argument I can come up with against it boils down to the same tired tropes of anti-gun people. A big part of it is the stupid things the lower enlisted do are a-lot more visible and held to account more than college students or some random person.
Realistically this policy is more for carry on base than keeping guns in barracks. I imagine it will go back to what it was pre-93 and personal weapons will be kept in company arms rooms. Maybe it will pan out, maybe it won't, but making based gun free zones was an insane policy to begin with.
ZeroPointSpecter@reddit
1992... That's when carrying firearms was effectively prohibited for most personnel on military bases. By your own logic, there should be substantial evidence of widespread on‑base shootings or accidental discharges prior to 1992 to justify why the prohibition should remain today. Is there?
MalPB2000@reddit
I didn’t know that changed…what do they do now?
SawbackBayonet@reddit
Still happens if you live in barracks afaik, though most just store with friends/gun shops/ storage units off post. That was also the case pre-93, but carry was generally allowed on posts.
yamothasstudio@reddit
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed…pretty straightforward. By your logic you’re essentially demanding for disarmament of civilians too because they’re unqualified.
Background_Mode4972@reddit
My argument is that the age of adulthood being 18 is questionable.
ZeroPointSpecter@reddit
I took a look at the comment history of most of these people, and it reads like a No Kings rally on steroids.
None of these people in here saying this is a bad idea were pro-gun or pro-second amendment before this.
itsvalleyforge@reddit
This sub has been subverted quite badly. They love to post any Republican in a slightly negative manner concerning guns, while ignoring all the grabbing dems.
MalPB2000@reddit
It’s Reddit, I wouldn’t expect anything else. And to be fair, most of these people weren’t pro-gun to begin with…again, it’s Reddit.
PlutoTheGod@reddit
A military base is not a space open to the public, it’s a closed government facility that requires vetting / clearance to even enter therefore they can handle their own security systems however they choose to imo, in the same way you can’t walk into court or even the club with a gun on you. I think the military can manage their own security protocols just fine regardless of what they decide they want to allow / disallow
SawbackBayonet@reddit
I'm on a base right now. We allow hunters on, there is a personally owned weapons shooting range, and there is barely any checking at the gate. You just aren't allowed to concealed carry.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
A lot of these arguments sound like the slippery slope fallacies a to-gun legislators use when debating the topic of expanding gun rights or eliminating the more asinine gun control proposals. Every time they predict way more people getting shot in absurd fantasies that people somehow become way dumber or more violent when they have access to a weapon.
richiemendoza@reddit
I was on CQ one night, and I had to disarm a drunk joe who picked up a knife and was threatening his best frien over something dumb like the last slice of pizza or whatever. Sure, a gun is quicker, but my point is, if he really wanted to kill someone, he was going to do it anyway.
As far as the pushback from people on reddit, well, they're redditors. When I was active duty, it was still around the time of Maj Nadal and Fort Hood. Maybe most people were indifferen to the idea, but no one I knew in my infantry company were strongly against ccw on post.
Shit bags are going to illegally carry anyway, while law abiding "good guys" are going to follow the rules, just like in the civilian world. I live in Ohio, and it's not like constitutional carry turned us into the wild west.
Suggett123@reddit
Having watched this guy stall or end people's careers for his reasons, do you believe for a microsecond that he's going to allow everyone who qualifies to carry?
SiegfriedArmory@reddit
This is a huge positive thing. I'm in the National Guard and my state implemented a program 11 years ago that allows guardsmen to conceal carry personal weapons while on duty on all state property with some pretty minimal requirements for getting put on the list of approved individuals. In 11 years there have been zero incidents of guardsmen misusing a personal weapon on duty, and we have about a thousand people who bring weapons to drill in the state. Yet when I go to a federal base I can't bring a weapon under any circumstance, even as someone who is a certified firearms instructor civilian-side and is approved to carry weapons at state armories/bases.
I think it's reasonable for bases to have requirements like taking a class or proving competency with a weapon, but blanket "no outside weapons" policies are extremely outdated and annoying.
Ekul13@reddit
I'm just going to throw this out there
People who lawfully conceal carry/applied for permits to carry etc are, as a group, basically the most law abiding group of private citizens that exist. We break fewer laws than nearly any other demographic/population as a whole. I'm not going to take the time to dig for the source material at the moment but it's a real thing and if someone wants to fact check please feel free.
With that said, we are not representative of gun owners at all, and I believe that we are a small minority of gun owning people in this country. Lawful concealed carry weapon permit holders etc basically follow the rules big time and cross our Ts and dot our I's to the max.
Anyone who has been around your average gun owner knows there is some ignorance on the weapons and sometimes lax safety. Shit that makes those of us who are trained or instructors etc get eye twitches.
Anyone who has been around the military in any real capacity knows that you get occasional bad seeds as well as dumb ass Pvt Snuffy shennanigans as well as regular joes etc.
I think if this is properly handled it shouldn't be an issue.
But
The first time pvt snuffy wants to show Cpl Shamsalot his "sweet new piece" and they're drinking or what the fuck ever is happening in the barracks on friday night and someone NDs and puts a hole in a wall or something.. we're going to have wall to wall coverage about how Trump and Hegseth personally put glickys into innocent enlisted hands and made the switchies and stendos go brrrrrrt
Basically I'm for it as long as it's done right and every soldier who wants to keep a weapon on base goes through mandatory training of expectations etc. Yes it'll suck. Yes it's a killjoy. But it should hopefully cut down on the inevitable dumbassery that will happen at some point and be used to further villanize gun owners.
Mark my words at some point there will be some type of incident around this, maybe years from now and it'll be wall to wall breathless coverage of "I knew it!" "Guns are so bad even the military can't privately own them!" Etc
Just my .02
Suggett123@reddit
A number of times during download or guardmount, I'd be at the clearing barrel and would have to raise my voice because people who "knew guns" would try to get ahead of my instructions.
"I bet I can load/unload faster than you can say the instructions!"
I'm the one most likely to suffer if this dummy has a mishap.
AITAH_Tired_OF_IT@reddit
Found the guy who thinks you can train anything out of someone. Sorry bud but stuff’s gonna happen regardless of the “mandatory training” that takes place. For example, green dot training doesn’t do anything to prevent SA/SH . You can’t train the predator out of someone.
Ekul13@reddit
One hundred percent agreed the idiots who are going to do something bad will still likely do something bad
I don't think some standard training, rights and responsibilities type of classes can hurt though. And it's good to have anyone who wants to carry take a minimum level of training (both in .mil and civilians)
Gives people good info (ideally), lets people know where they stand with what they can and can't do etc.
But yeah idiots will idiot and still fuck things up
AITAH_Tired_OF_IT@reddit
Yes Sir! You are completely correct!
thatbikeddude@reddit
This I can get behind. There’s always an individual who’s willing to compromise the safety and integrity of rules put in place which will make everyone who’s responsible look and feel shitty.
Ekul13@reddit
I'm glad my intent came across
I'm all for letting the responsible members of the military carry. I myself have wished many many times I could carry on base and that I didn't have to drop off my firearm before heading on base. I get it.
I'm also just thinking realistically that we have also got plenty of dumb Pvts etc running around who can very quickly make this decision turn into a bad thing.
I think it was after ww2 during the occupation of Europe there were thousands of injuries and deaths from young GIs running around Europe that were 1) bored 2)had booze 3)had weapons and would essentially get into trouble.
I'm all for young enlisted being able to carry. But there definitely need to be safeguards and very clear expectations set. Maybe make them go through the same level of training as a regular civilian who applies for their concealed weapons permit. Make sure they understand the law and responsibilities of carrying concealed and the differences between open carry/carrying while on duty. Have a good NCO teach them. If there's any history of psych stuff or stress from domestic situations their application gets held. Etc.
It's doable and can be a good thing. I think we just need careful thought and implementation. Oh and I'm also aware it's not just pvt snuffy in the barracks but also Sgt so and so with drinking issues and ptsd or the officer that found out his wife is cheating on him etc and lives off base. Every case needs to be reviewed.
Again just my .02
RawketLawnchor@reddit
“Maybe make them go through the same level of training as a regular civilian who applies for their concealed weapons permit”
uhh by that do you mean a 1 hour class where you eventually shoot a .22 5 times? CCW classes on average are a total joke lol in no universe would I call it training
Ekul13@reddit
I'm not saying you're John wick after your CCW class and there are the general classes and the enhanced carry classes which are a smidge different
I'm hoping it would be more of a "so you want to carry a weapon on base" type of thing and a really good solid rundown of legal rights and responsibilities, do and do nots type of thing.
Fuck it, since this directive is coming from the top let them make it an AKO (or whatever the fuck it's called now idk) class or certification or whatever that troops can work through. Better than taking a SHARPS course for the 3,700th time 🤷🏻♂️
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
Troops are often already well versed in the justifications for use of deadly force as it pertains to their duties in the military. That stuff gets drilled into people in entry level training in many cases. It might be a little longer before others are briefed on those justifications.
And you just inadvertently touched on an example of how prior training about legality and do’s/dont’s probably isnt going to have much effect when you mentioned attending SHARPS course for the 37,000th time. You can also use the example of DUI’s still happening at a high rate despite decades of it being hammered on in nearly every single liberty brief and safety stand-down.
Stupid individuals are going to individually do stupid things regardless of how much ancillary training you give them on acceptable conduct. Those kinds of people are selfish, don’t have any respect for authority or regulations and simply don’t consider consequences for themselves or others in the first place. That’s never going to change.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
I don’t think there should be extra qualifiers placed on military personnel who are of age to legally concealed carry. If a civilian can do it at 21 with no other requirements, a junior enlisted member should be able to do it at 21 with no other requirements. Being in the military doesn’t make a person more or less capable of carrying a weapon than the average civilian who chooses to.
Ekul13@reddit
Agreed on that
I'm thinking more of the 18 year olds fresh into the whole thing, more of the buck wild pvts getting crunk in the barracks on weekends etc
Your comment got me thinking though that if someone retired from the military or even gets a normal honorable discharge and they take a concealed carry course they should get the license for free from the state. Like a little bonus thank you for serving thing. Save people the 80 bucks or whatever it costs
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
18-year olds getting buck wild in the barracks are no different than 18-20 year old college students in dorms or any other young people in the general population as far as maturity level is concerned. But we don’t have those problems with the 18-21 carry population jn any state that allows concealed carry under the age of 21.
My point is that the predictions that a bunch of people are going to cause more problems than they would otherwise simply because concealed carry is allowed on base are not supported by information we already have. We already have examples to look at where allowing people who choose CCW to carry in more places did not result in any of the predicted safety issues.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
That would be an easy denial for a commanding officer: “Denied. Individual has shown a pattern of misconduct and disciplinary infractions that do not meet the standards of good judgement and discipline necessary to responsibly carry a concealed weapon.”
Missouri_Pacific@reddit
This right here!! 💯%
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
Honestly that drunken episode tou just described already happens occasionally anyway. But it’s because drunk people are stupid and do stupid drunk people things. Whether or not it’s officially allowed is kind of irrelevant there.
Besides, the vast majority of concealed carriers are decidedly law abiding and not likely to be the type of people who cause problems.
Missouri_Pacific@reddit
You took the words right out of my mouth!
Jaegermeiste@reddit
The only hole in your story - by definition, there can't be CPL Shamsalot. CPL is baby-wannabe-NCO and generally conveys that higher sees some degree of competence and leadership potential in the Soldier - all of which is wholly incompatible with membership in the E4 Mafia. Therefore, by virtue of his name, Shamsalot must be a full bird private rocking the sham shield - all hail SPC Shamsalot!
SiegfriedArmory@reddit
The way my state does it is you just need a state CCW permit, and apply through the Provost Marshall's office, and you need to take a CCW handgun course at the main base in the state, which includes a pass/fail shooting portion. You're exempt from the class if you're in civilian law enforcement, or a certified firearms instructor through the NRA or USCCA. This is perfect in my opinion because it's just enough of a hurdle that not every idiot is carrying, but is easy for anyone who actually knows what they're doing and bothers to do the process.
BoredAFcyber@reddit
literally none of this is going to stop the scenario you just described though...
thatbikeddude@reddit
Why do you need to take a personal weapon onto a federal base?
Charlie1210USAF@reddit
Because active shooters keep popping up on federal bases…?
Background_Mode4972@reddit
When base security reaction forces show up and smoke everyone with a gun who doesn’t drop it immediately this will be self correcting. As someone who was base security reaction force, that’s literally what we were trained to do.
Now you’ve created a fucking nightmare of a scenario where EVERYONE is potentially dressed the same, and now reaction forces have to figure out who is the active shooter, who isn’t and they’re all potentially and lawfully armed?
Not to mention that people who can’t be trusted to live off base also can’t be trusted to have unsupervised firearms access.
thatbikeddude@reddit
Aren’t there armed guards on base? Like, security and police and defense systems?
rjbergen@reddit
Have you ever been on a base? I highly doubt it based on your response. Some of the military bases are larger than the cities they’re next to. It may take military police minutes to arrive. That’s a long time.
AmericanBodyguard@reddit
Fort Bragg. YUGE!
Ekul13@reddit
Shit I'd say Bragg is safer than Fayetteville 😂😂😂
thatbikeddude@reddit
I have, one of the biggest too. I’ve even seen attacks get stopped at the gate before entering the base.
Charlie1210USAF@reddit
Bases are like cities, so imagine it’s exactly the same except for two things: 1) all points of entry are manned by armed guards and 2) [until now] nobody but the aforementioned personnel may carry any sort of weapon on base outside of training serials. Those armed personnel are minutes away when shootings or other attacks happen in seconds.
I suppose, in a way, a better comparison would be the sterile side of an airport, just without TSA checkpoints everywhere. Anyone can pretty much enter the base with an undeclared and hidden weapon, and the odds of them getting randomly checked are EXTREMELY low, or they can just toss them over an unmonitored portion of the base security fence. You can also store weapons in the base armoury, but you can only transport them on/off base inside the case and unloaded.
thatbikeddude@reddit
So, the ones who protect freedom can’t protect themselves on federal bases?
intelw1zard@reddit (OP)
no because they cant have firearms on base, this changes that! :)
I'm glad you are slowly getting it
thatbikeddude@reddit
Crazy to think one has to carry to protect themselves around those who protect freedom.
oswaldcopperpot@reddit
/r/lostredditors
rjbergen@reddit
You clearly don’t get it lol
thatbikeddude@reddit
It’s as clear as mud smart guy.
rjbergen@reddit
What’s clear as mud? You’re just not comprehending. A military base isn’t full of Soldiers walking around with loaded firearms.
thatbikeddude@reddit
Correct, nor is it easy for an individual to enter a base with a firearm. Allowing more fires onto base, especially concealed, makes for some situations that won’t end well.
I’m just confused why folks are so scared and need a gun on them at all times including a federal base.
It’s like we’ve been convinced someone is out to get us.
But go off, defend the decision of a guy who’s the worst leader of our armed forces. Who continues to create chaos within our ranks.
Go team.
Charlie1210USAF@reddit
Precisely that. There were talks of letting us do it back in 2015-16 when there were a LOT of active shooters and/or terrorist attacks on base, but nothing ever came of it. Something is finally being done.
SiegfriedArmory@reddit
It's not like armed security is covering all places at all times. Police/security can only respond once a situation begins and is reported to them, which can take a while. If I have a decent weapon, I can at least have a chance to defend myself and my soldiers, which is better than charging an active shooter with a pocket knife, which some soldiers have had to do recently.
Active shooters do not accidentally choose "gun-free zones" for 99% of mass shootings. They intentionally choose places where they can cause maximum carnage with minimal odds of anyone immediately shooting back.
thatbikeddude@reddit
How many active shooters have been stoped by good guys with guns? Once behind a federal fence the place should be safe from “domestic terror”, which from the data shows most mass shootings are done by white males who have access to legal firearms.
I’m just trying to make sense of the situation and why folks think bases are dangerous enough for more guns to be carried concealed.
SiegfriedArmory@reddit
There have been multiple high profile shootings on military bases, and many cases of armed civilians stopping active shooters (good article on the subject: https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/4333535-good-guys-with-guns-save-lives-dont-believe-the-hype/ ). Military bases are pretty safe, but not 100% safe, just like anywhere else. The argument for soldiers being able to conceal carry there is the exact same as being able to carry anywhere else.
thatbikeddude@reddit
That was 3 years ago. Implying that good guys with guns saves lives is a stretch. Outcomes are quite low for that statement. Meanwhile, actual situations where law enforcement has guns on site with an active shooter have bad outcomes, loss of innocent lives.
Suggett123@reddit
I'll bet a dollar they'll be very "selective" who gets to keep theirs.
PlaceUserNameHere67@reddit
I see a lot of comments about things that are always in the spoken words of anti-gunners. I believe what this is about is allowing concealed carry for those that are allowed by the state they're stationed in. And as far as I know, you cannot get a CPL/CCW license unless you're 21 in every state in the union. I COULD be wrong but I don't think so.
I was in the service as well. Qualified in all aspects of firearms, from pistol to 50 cal. So, I think if you're licensed and qualified, why not.
ILuvSupertramp@reddit
The DUI hire who was a barely middle of the road field grade is here to talk about the “unwavering” standards he’s pinning this horrible idea onto.
Agammamon@reddit
And the Generals that have headed the DoD for the past couple of decades have done such a stellar job?
ILuvSupertramp@reddit
Is this your brand?
High_Anxiety_1984@reddit
As a veteran tbis is how it should have been all along. Being in the military, on a military base, and not allowed to carry a firearm is the dumbest shit. Especially if you're qualified to use them.
LobsterManCommander@reddit
I would like to apologize to you if i offended you. I should not make light of your username or struggles.
High_Anxiety_1984@reddit
Thank you, but I dont see a comment where you said anything about my username.
LobsterManCommander@reddit
I was pulled aside privately by a mod for making a comment based on your username that should not have been made. Im not sure who i upset with my comment but i do apologize. We came to a agreement that the comment i made was not suitable for this or any subs discourse.
High_Anxiety_1984@reddit
Oh, ok. Well I never saw it so as far as im concerned, no big deal. Thank you for your honesty.
LobsterManCommander@reddit
Your username is testament against that idea.
non-number-name@reddit
What’s your beef with people born in the 80’s?
LobsterManCommander@reddit
I apologize.
yt1300pilot@reddit
Thank you. This means that I will now be able to make deliveries to Fort Bragg. Fayetteville is a rough city so I carry everywhere and I loose a lot of money because I cant go on base with my edc.
bobroberts1954@reddit
I was in the army in 1973, do it's news to me they have become gun free zones. Back then yours had to be kept in the company armory and could only be removed to take it off post or attend an official shooting contest or contest practice. You definitely didn't "carry" on post, and considering the maturity of the recruits it was a damned good thing.
ChungusMaximus23@reddit
So he's implying that on base the greatest danger service members are facing are.....other service members?
And service members need protection from.... other service members?
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
What point are you trying to make?
The primary population on a military base is service members, so by basic probability the most common threat to a service member on base is most likely going to be another service member.
The only times I’ve ever seen or heard about incidents on base that got to the point where use of a firearm would have been justified it was a Marine or Sailor protecting themselves from other Marines and sailors. But we have plenty of stories from different branches of people getting murdered, kidnapped, etc on base.
Not to mention married people who live in base housing and prefer to carry when they’re off base. The rules about storing weapons on base can be pretty inconvenient in general, but especially for them.
MalPB2000@reddit
What are the requirements for those that live in base housing? I was either in the barracks or off post lol
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
It depends on what base you’re on and what the commanding officer’s policies are. Usually it’s inconvenient enough to not even be worth trying.
In one unit I was in the base required us to register all weapons with PMO and store them in the unit’s armory, which requires filling out more paperwork and requires you to notify the armory custodians beforehand that you intend to draw your (personally owned) weapons, whether it be for concealed carry, hunting, range trips, etc.
It’s almost universally a pain in the ass in my experience and most people dont register shit with PMO because the military makes everything way more difficult than it needs to be. And 99% of the regulations are the result of a cover-your-ass mentality among leadership.
MalPB2000@reddit
Yeah, I hear that.
Appreciate the response. I don’t think we had to register with the PMO, but I don’t remember anymore. I do remember it was a big enough hassle that not many of us bothered. I just left my personal weapons back home until I moved out of the barracks.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
Most of my friends and I who lived in base housing simply didn’t register anything and kept our guns in our houses, making sure to be inconspicuous if we were transporting them off base for whatever reason.
There’s no way I would do that if I lived in the barracks though. A lot of people have, but at that point youre one health and comfort inspections away from an NJP for disobeying orders.
MalPB2000@reddit
Yeah, non-Military folk don’t know just how much they can fuck up your life over little shit…
MarryYouInMinecraft@reddit
Yes, unironically, and repeatedly proven to be the case.
Ok-Communication4190@reddit
This is a shit idea. You’re gonna have dumb idiots, privates and ncos, and the occasional low level officer discharging their shitty carries in public…
MalPB2000@reddit
…says every anti-gun person every single time a gun law gets shot down.
Ok-Communication4190@reddit
Why is it always anti gun with you fcks. I have guns. I’m saying we should make sure anyone that carries is properly checked and doesn’t have mental conditions
MalPB2000@reddit
Because it literally is. We know your type… “Nah fellow gun bro! I too have many pistol guns myself! I totally support the 2A, BUT…”
Plus you actually believe that military peeps that carry loaded weapons 24/7 in war zones for weeks or months at a time are just going to be NDing all over the place the minute they get stateside.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
Not likely. These arguments sound like democrat legislators predicting rampant violence in the streets every time gun rights are expanded somewhere. It doesn’t hold up to realistic scrutiny.
Soar15@reddit
Good! This is long overdue.
To those who think that this is a bad idea because some people will make poor decisions, I would suggest that you misunderstand how rights work. The Declaration of Independence makes it clear that all humans (not merely the wise or mature ones) have rights, and the Constitution explicitly recognizes the individual's right to bear arms. So long as you are at least 18 years of age and are not a prohibited person (again, determined by one's, not others' opinions), it is your right to own and carry arms. Period.
The fact that some people will argue that we can't trust an 18yo to carry a pistol but they see no problem trusting that the same person to conduct live fire operations with an M1 Abrams tank on a range right next to a busy highway is such a wild disconnect.
Soar15@reddit
Good! This is long overdue.
To those who think that this is a bad idea because some people will make poor decisions, I would suggest that you misunderstand how rights work. The Declaration of Independence makes it clear that all humans (not merely the wise or mature ones) have rights, and the Constitution explicitly recognizes the individual's right to bear arms. So long as you are at least 18 years of age and are not a prohibited person (again, determined by one's, not others' opinions), it is your right to own and carry arms. Period.
The fact that some people will argue that we can't trust an 18yo to carry a pistol but they see no problem trusting that the same person to conduct live fire operations with an M1 Abrams tank on a range right next to a busy highway is such a wild disconnect.
hobbestigertx@reddit
I can't think of a worse situation than to trust the same folks that have their hands on the keys to the nuclear arsenal, fly nuclear bombers, drive 40 ton tanks, shoot 155mm howitzers, fly supersonic fighter jets, etc., with a handgun...
JacenHorn@reddit
Routing Pkg Contents: Right Side - [Official USN Installation POF Request Form IAW DoWM 5200.08 (forthcoming)] - Statement of Understanding
Left Side - State-issued Concealed Carry License - Proof of Firearms Safety Training - FLTMPS Admin Data Sheet - DoW Manual 5200.08 - Material References
Request Verbiage:
Statement of Understanding:
It's Past Time for Concealed Carry on Base By Commander C. Randolph Whipps, U.S. Navy Reserve December 2019
B1eak_Ambi3nce@reddit
I hope y'all are not falling for Kegs-breath's bs. There are laws and reasons that certain soldiers do not carry their arms on base.
ForeverInThe90s@reddit
Let me ask you: Do you enjoy alcohol? Have it ever enjoyed alcohol? Ever enjoyed too much?
Agammamon@reddit
There are no laws that prevent people from carrying on base - just base commander policy. Indeed, in base housing people have firearms on most bases.
In addition, most bases do have a policy of allowing servicemembers to store personal weapons in the base armory if there is space.
MalPB2000@reddit
Tell me, oh 600 Karma throwaway account, what laws dictate these certain soldiers don’t carry? How does living on a military post work when it comes to personal weapons?
Barmat@reddit
I can only imagine the suicide rate in a year
Toshinit@reddit
If you're going to off yourself you can already buy a gun and do it.
BlackFoxx@reddit
Right before bed and right when you get up seem like some of the most depressing times of day.
mkosmo@reddit
And your individual inability to regulate emotion isn't a reason to restrict others.
CiD7707@reddit
Its the military. It absolutely is.
mkosmo@reddit
No, we need to stop that nonsense there too. Junior enlisted act the way they do because we treat them like children.
WhatABadTimeline@reddit
A bunch of them are 18, fresh out of high school and have never lived away from their parents before.
They basically are children.
bafben10@reddit
Nowhere is safe on Reddit anymore. We have people advocating against adults owning firearms in the fucking firearms subreddit.
Fuck you all. None of you can be real people.
Background_Mode4972@reddit
No, we have people who have actually served who know what happens in a barracks who think this is a stupid idea. If you can’t be trusted to live off base, you can’t be trusted to have unsupervised firearms access on base.
bafben10@reddit
Therefore no military members should be allowed to carry firearms?
Background_Mode4972@reddit
No, E-5s and up with no issues got off base housing at my command.
bafben10@reddit
Great. Still can't carry on base.
mkosmo@reddit
Since when is it a trust thing as to where junior enlisted live? Single soldier SPC Snuffy isn't eligible for BAH, so he doesn't have a choice.
WhatABadTimeline@reddit
Beep boop
Not everyone who likes guns is an advocate for completely-unrestricted-everyone-open-carry-"sHaLl nOt Be iNfRinGeD" nonsense.
All I'm saying is that a lot of enlisted teenagers are dipshits. My brother joined up to get a pill problem under control and is the first to tell you he had bad impulse control. He needed to be told what to do every minute of every day until he got shit together. He shouldn't have had firearms in his bedroom when he was sorting that out.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
bafben10@reddit
Enlisted teenagers are dipshits, therefore enlisted 40-year-olds shouldn't be allowed to carry on base? Sure. Beep boop.
mkosmo@reddit
We’ve all been there. We’re also legal to own firearms. A private employer can’t tell you not to have guns
Why should Uncle Sam, who is extra-beholden to the Constitution?
a_single_legtuck@reddit
100%. My PSG and I treated 99% of our guys like the adults they were and surprise surprise, almost every one of them acted like it.
Maditen@reddit
People who are cheering for this lack “big picture” thinking. Sadly, I’d wager you are correct. This won’t go well.
bafben10@reddit
You mean people who are cheering for this lack your particular opinions. If you're in the military then you should be able to have an adult disagreement instead of just insulting them.
Barmat@reddit
People have no idea what it’s like to serve and live a military life.
wtfredditacct@reddit
There is zero "big picture" thinking to be missed. Anyone determined to become part of the 22 a day aren't even inconvenienced by the current rule. It just adds another thing that you have to think about if you intend to follow the rules.
Want to stop in at the commissary because it's Saturday and you're driving by the gate anyway? Oops, can't. You've got your CCW with you. Now you have to drive all the way home and it's easier to just go spend more at Kroger.
map2photo@reddit
Guns “not allowed” on base is not stopping people from killing themselves.
It will however increase murder by some angry drunk shitbag.
Zythomancer@reddit
This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine.
2006CrownVictoriaP71@reddit
I was in the Air Force living In base housing with my wife until 2004. We were allowed to own firearms and keep them in our house. People in the dorms had to keep them in the armory. When did they stop allowing private guns?
Agammamon@reddit
The policy had not changed.
What changed is that servicemembers who do not live on base will not have to disarm for their commute to work and maybe that you won't have to keep your firearm in the armory.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
They didn’t stop allowing them. But there are different rules around how/where they have to be stored and when you can access them depending on what specific base you’re on.
In any case this doesn’t have anything to do with that. This is allowing service members to carry concealed weapons on base.
pyratemime@reddit
This is about being able to conceal carry while in an off-duty status on base. Sure you could have a gun in base housing but you were unlikely authorized to conceal carry to the commissary for example.
2006CrownVictoriaP71@reddit
Oh. Ok. I understand. I took “Gun Free Zone” to mean just not allowed.
GetGoatedYourself@reddit
So service members, ok cool, what about all civilian and contract employees?
Agammamon@reddit
Baby steps.
Homesteader86@reddit
I would think this guy has other pressing priorities right now.
Agammamon@reddit
A person can work on more than one thing at a time.
just_me910@reddit
What about veterans who work on bases?
MalPB2000@reddit
Good question!
I believe DoD sets policy for civilian workers Im based, yes?
just_me910@reddit
Excellent counter question. I'm clueless, no?
MalPB2000@reddit
Ah, I was hoping you were asking for yourself.
reallyradguy@reddit
So does no one here trust the military with firearms? I can’t imagine someone claiming to be 2A and then freak out at the thought of military members having guns?
It doesn’t make any sense
MalPB2000@reddit
It’s Reddit, bro. Most of these people aren’t pro-gun in the first place.
SiegfriedArmory@reddit
Many people on r/firearms are not actually pro-gun in any meaningful way. They believe they personally should be allowed to have whatever they currently own, but consistently don't want gun rights extended to anyone else.
deadman-69@reddit
I lived in the barracks for 5 years. All the shitheads had guns regardless of the rules. Most of the guys I knew, including myself, complained about not being allowed to have our firearms on base.
MalPB2000@reddit
I was in the barracks about 3 years, but I only saw a couple of guys keep guns. It was just too risky for us; get caught, get booted out of the unit. It just wasn’t worth it to us.
javanperl@reddit
I guess it varies from base to base. At every barracks I resided we had to store our personal weapons at the armory, and sign them in/out just like a military weapon. Since the armorers generally weren’t around on weekends we’d quite often have weapons in the barracks over the weekend, but return them on Monday. I found most bases fairly lenient on weapons, you could have a weapon in the barracks, as long as it wasn’t for an extended period of time.
Intelligent-Pay-9377@reddit
Why is this guy always concerned about the dumbest shit? Our adversaries our quickly outpacing us in fields like drone warfare, cyber attacks, AI, not to mention politically and economically, but the troops get to carry on base?
Who gives a fuck.
MalPB2000@reddit
A lot of people, especially the people it actually affects.
So, how’s Mumbai?
MadGenderScientist@reddit
do we really need to catch up with China on surveillance? I'd rather not live in a panopticon.
tghost474@reddit
Maybe get off of TikTok bro
N5tp4nts@reddit
It’s possible to work on more than one problem at a time.
Jmersh59@reddit
Religious phoney moron, twisting the Bible to fit his racism.
ShotgunEd1897@reddit
How so?
MalPB2000@reddit
It’s just a bot, pay no mind.
um_ok_try_again@reddit
How many layers of clothes does this mean wear? He always has the look of a man trying to sneak a separate suit underneath the one he's buying in a department store. Blue Michelin Man (with boobies)
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
It just looks like he’s wearing an undershirt…
um_ok_try_again@reddit
Fancy him?
MalPB2000@reddit
It’s understandable that the sweatpants-class finds it confusing, but when wearing a dress shirt, it is considered normal to wear an undershirt. It would be very odd if he didn’t.
um_ok_try_again@reddit
I think he wears kevlar under his shirts.
MalPB2000@reddit
Tell me, oh 600 Karma throwaway account, what laws dictate these certain soldiers don’t carry? How does living on a military post work when it comes to personal weapons?
Sensyon@reddit
They’re just gonna deny everyone’s request except Commanders and First Shirts.
GrenadeJuggler@reddit
Honestly I'd say that a shirt is the absolute last person I'd want carrying.
MalPB2000@reddit
Fantastic! It’s about time…
Mr_E_Monkey@reddit
Credit where it's due, I do agree with this.
DocMettey@reddit
About damn time! When I was in I carried anyways on posts and didn’t tell anyone shit.
Effective-Client-756@reddit
So you committed a federal felony multiple times and are outing yourself for it on the internet?
GrenadeJuggler@reddit
Just tack on an "allegedly" and you're good.
GhostofDaiLi@reddit
No statute of limitations on actions while in bro, delete this
mopar-or-no_car@reddit
As long as it was pre 1993 it's fine.
mopar-or-no_car@reddit
About time policies and bs are overturned. Big red targets painted on service men and women's backs are ridiculous and I never understood how they are trusted and trained with many types of arms, but can't protect themselves.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
You’d actually be pretty surprised how many people in the armed forces don’t know jack shit about any guns beyond the specific weapon system or platform they’re responsible for operating. There are many people who never shoot at all except for annual rifle and pistol qualifications.
mopar-or-no_car@reddit
Even if what you are saying is 100% undeniable truth, that doesn't take away from the fact they have the same rights to protect themselves as you and I.
If the MP at the gate is taken out everyone else are fish in a barrel until the attacker is found. And it's utter bs.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
I never said it did. Im just trying to make sure people have a realistic perspective of the armed forces. It seems like half the population thinks they’re a horde of horribly undisciplined degenerates and the other half seems like they think a service element can do no wrong.
The truth is they’re just normal people. Recruiting tries really hard to maintain an accurate cross-section of the population in their respective branches.
Its_Raul@reddit
I thought the CO could approve whoever they wanted already and this sounds like nothing changes?
lostmember09@reddit
I’ve heard from several sources those requests to Base CO’s; are hardly ever approved. What will change? The Base CO can just give some reason(s) to deny.
Its_Raul@reddit
That's what I'm implying that I don't think this memo does anything since CO can just say nope
lostmember09@reddit
I’m all for this as a valid CCW/HGP permit holder. The Base CO signing off on all these various folks is all well and fine… UNTIL something bad happens. Then, the Base CO will be the first one to take the fall.
Toshinit@reddit
You could never carry a personal firearm on base, it was always standard issue and as needed for your position.
Its_Raul@reddit
Nah chief 50% sure base commander can approve, only they never do so it's effectively zero.
GrowInVt0334@reddit
Funny talking about the 2nd coming from the agency that’s fucking everyone over on it.
csukoh78@reddit
Secretary of Defense.
THEHELLHOUND456@reddit
No guns on base has been the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Ever.
ViciousCycles090@reddit
This guy is literally a fucking loser and a dumbass. I cant stand this administration.
This has to be the biggest collective of dumb fucks.
mopar-or-no_car@reddit
So service men who are trained and responsible shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, just because they live in base housing with their family ?
So now if they go out in town they can't carry CCW at all because guns aren't allowed on base..
Dipshits like you who can't think logically are the problem with the country, not someone giving responsible service men and women their 2nd Amendment back.
ViciousCycles090@reddit
Dude have you been on a base? Seen the absorbent amount of dumbass activities and alcohol consumed?
Watch how many gun deaths occur now on bases.
It was there for a reason. Same reason I cant carry into a bar in Texas with my ltc.
Im all for gun rights. This isnt a win for 2A just another excuse for some moron to make the news and damage 2A rights further.
Go sit down you crusading short sighted fuck.
mopar-or-no_car@reddit
There wasn't a problem for decades prior to the ban in 93, the shooting on base happened significantly afterward.
And your bar comment is bullshit, many states allow ccw in bars and alcohol establishments as long as you don't consume and shootings are not rampant and out of control. It's about being responsible.
These guys shouldn't be targets if the MP at the gate is taken out, or some sneaks a weapon on base and goes on a rampage.
Period.
ViciousCycles090@reddit
We shall see.
ViciousCycles090@reddit
Keep supporting your party of cross dressing child fuckers. It will be a long time you see a Republican as president after this so enjoy this lying scum bag shit show.
Owenleejoeking@reddit
Big plus
cowboy3gunisfun@reddit
About time
rougy71@reddit
An installation commander is never going to allow firearms to be stored in barracks or do away with the garrison specific weapon registration policy. If you are familiar with life on base then you know (unfortunately) this is a nothing burger
AmericanBodyguard@reddit
This is a great idea. We could have a weapon while working but unarmed at the barracks. Long overdue!
RandoAtReddit@reddit
On guard duty we were required to keep an empty magazine in the weapon. We had a loaded magazine in our ammo pouch. It had a strip of duct tape across the top. It was for emergencies only. We handed it off to the relief, who put it in their ammo pouch. This was active duty. Permanent party. Combat arms MOS. Kuwait, 1995.
SurviveAdaptWin@reddit
Ours was in a locked ammo box. We had like 8 guys on guard duty and a lock box with MAYBE 10-20 mags. Less than 3 full mags per person if we needed them.
This was on the bridge linking S Korea to the DMZ.
deej363@reddit
Gotta love drooling idiot ROE....
ClearlyInsane1@reddit
I've seen the exact same thing but one step worse: that "loaded" magazine only had 3 rounds. Incredibly stupid policies.
juggarjew@reddit
Either you're ready to respond to a threat or you're not. What the fuck??? Let me just fumble with my magazine and pick at this duct tape and try to take if off so I can stop an active threat... Holy shit thats a brain damaged way to operate.
SiegfriedArmory@reddit
Big Army for a long time has been paranoid about soldiers misusing their weapons, even though there's literally no basis for it. Like "oh no, a soldier did a dumb thing 40 years ago, now every soldier can't be trusted". The shooting of the two guardsmen in DC back in November seems to have changed everything. They only had 10 rounds on body and had to carry their weapons unloaded, and everyone present fumbling with empty guns when ambushed directly contributed to Sarah Beckstrom's death and Andrew Wolfe's critical injury. Immediately after the shooting they switched to carrying loaded with a round in the chamber, with much more ammo on-body.
im-not-a-fakebot@reddit
A lot of military policy is “some shit for brains did something half a century ago so now this is how we have to do things”
Half the rules and regulations don’t make sense and are only there because someone a long time ago did something and the whole DoD/DoW has to change to make sure no one can do that again
nondescriptzombie@reddit
Ford Hood was in 2009. Not even 20 years ago.
im-not-a-fakebot@reddit
That shit was the dumbest thing ever, when I had to do guard duty we didn’t even get a live magazine, we got blanks smh. Like Sarge wtf am I going to do with some blanks if there actually is a threat? No lie I was told “it’s to scare them and keep them at bay until FP shows up
AmericanBodyguard@reddit
Times are a changing!
intelw1zard@reddit (OP)
Being able to carry on base?
Literally
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Wozak_@reddit
Wild emoji but I’m a fan. Have you found where we can read the memo?
im-not-a-fakebot@reddit
The official DoW published an article here https://www.war.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/4450527/hegseth-authorizes-off-duty-service-members-to-carry-private-firearms-on-instal/
However it doesn’t list the actual memo or where to read it
Dirty_Blue_Shirt@reddit
I did 20 years and had to leave my gun at home every day because of stupid rules about carrying on base. This is a good thing.
It’s disheartening to hear the young guys in here that are parroting the same “streets will run red with blood” bullshit that was said by the gun grabbers when we finally started passing carry laws in the 90s and 2000s. It didn’t happen then and it won’t happen now.
im-not-a-fakebot@reddit
Yeah, the people that are wanting do dumb shit with firearms never cared about the rules anyway, they would sneak in firearms if they wanted to.
Rules only inhibit honest people
Boltman35@reddit
Agreed 100% Thank you for your service. I served 4 years in the Marines (2531) In my 4 years I did the same as you. Like I already stated, my sentiments line up with yours.
Guns_Almighty34135@reddit
This. And thank you for your service
HerezahTip@reddit
Unqualified and corrupted, always addressing non existent problems.
tinygod-aka-why@reddit
military members not being able to carry on base has been a grievance for literally decades. just because they are serving shouldn't mean they have to give up their rights completely.
RealJyrone@reddit
2A rights for military were never denied. The on base armory was always an option.
All you had to do was check it in, and check it out when you wanted to use it.
SurviveAdaptWin@reddit
All you had to do was go to your CO, get permission to check out your weapon, probably get -DENIED- because reasons, not be allowed to have it most of the time. Utterly restricted access to it/them.
Yeah that's really a great option.
RealJyrone@reddit
There were better options than this policy.
From how I have understood this policy, it’s harder for a service member to start riding a motorcycle than bring a gun on base.
The policy should be the establishment of gun safety courses (that can be held in conjunction with local LE) to qualify service members and trainers for carrying on base.
This allows paths for service members to carry on base, minimizes risks of incidents, and provides local outreach opportunities for the services.
tinygod-aka-why@reddit
"we never infringed on your rights! we only made you check them in any time you were on base and made it illegal to carry a firearm to protect yourself!" owning a gun and having it locked away in an armory as a paperweight and being able to BEAR arms is 2 totally different concepts.
CiD7707@reddit
But God forbid you say anything remotely political. Fuck the first amendment, right?
TheSymthos@reddit
sounds like someones an e1 with a sign on bonus
ZeroPointSpecter@reddit
He's not unqualified. He's not corrupt. And it is a problem being denied constitutional rights.
HerezahTip@reddit
He was a fucking Fox News host turned secretary of war. He is among the most unqualified ever to serve.
Frozen_Thorn@reddit
He gets excited about the idea of killing people. He has absolutely no business being Secretary of Defense.
RegalArt1@reddit
I mean it’s a pretty efficient if not ruthless way of cutting costs, if you cut service members’ benefits and then let them keep firearms in the barracks. Fewer veterans you’d have to pay later on
Far_Independent8032@reddit
All civilians in every single state should be able to do the same no matter whether it's demacrat or republican period.
SCREAMINCHEEESE@reddit
Yea this will go well.
JarOfFlies90@reddit
I agree with Hegseth. No guns on base from non sec fo personnel did not stop fort Hood from happening. I personally work around coworkers that carry a Glock 17 all day that have to holster and reholster their guns multiple times a day and then go home with that same gun. Nothing bad ever happens they are responsible with them and I know I have a better chance of surviving an active shooter if they are all armed. A lot of them are young and goofy as heck too, but they are responsible with guns.
df3dot@reddit
I have no respect for this clown. He is a cancer no matter if he is right on guns or telling you what you want to hear.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
Okay, but what do you think about people being allowed to carry on base now?
df3dot@reddit
2a is absolute and fully supportive military carrying
fenuxjde@reddit
Maybe don't start World War III leaving our service members vulnerable, exposed, and now dead.
MadGenderScientist@reddit
maybe don't start WWIII in general?
KitchenPC@reddit
What do you think the department of war is supposed to do with the military?
msur@reddit
Be the department of defense.
Threather19@reddit
Is WW3 in the room with us right now?
thatbikeddude@reddit
More countries at war rn than in the last couple decades…
fenuxjde@reddit
World war 1 involved 30 nations.
There are currently 41 countries either directly at war or providing direct lethal military support to countries at war.
So yes. Yes it is.
Threather19@reddit
There it is.
This Iran debacle will be over soon and Ukraine and Russia will continue to kill their young men for inches of dirt.
ZeroPointSpecter@reddit
EDC-JAKE@reddit
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thom1879@reddit
Desk pops are about to increase exponentially
https://i.redd.it/e3t36i6b6wsg1.gif
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
Probably not. At a bare minimum there are thousands of troops across the country and around the world who walk around base armed every day. And that’s only referring to people standing duty and MP’s on patrol or gate guard duty. I don’t foresee the rate of negligent discharge increasing much, if any at all.
Soggy-Invite-2787@reddit
The most afraid i was while in Afghanistan was being next to some soldiers while they cleared their weapons. You know how many negligent discharges happened at the clearing barrel? The soldier next to me had somehow gotten through without clearing his weapon and had one in the chamber with it on fire. A SNCO had to tell the NCO to go clear it again. This is all while waiting to donate blood because someone got shot and needed blood.
oh_three_dum_dum@reddit
Allowing carry on base doesn’t mean everyone is going to be carrying on base. Most of the people who choose concealed carry are are at least competent enough not to shoot themselves or someone else by accident. Sure, there are some incidents of negligent discharge and clearing barrel shots, but all of those clearing barrel incidents involve someone manipulating said weapon and pulling the trigger on purpose. Thats going to happen occasionally of you have thousands of people doing it in different armories around base all day long. They shouldn’t be handling the weapon at all of it’s concealed anyway. It’s not like people just whip out their pistols constantly in public all the time.
Whenever people bring up possibilities like this it usually assumes a lot of things that aren’t necessarily true.
harbourhunter@reddit
why are his shoulders so drooopy
WASRmelon_white_claw@reddit
Damn they must really think the military is totally infiltrated
Malbushim@reddit
Errr.... There's a reason militaries have kept the weapons in the armory for hundreds of years. But I guess a refresher is good
MajorProphet90@reddit
By and large the majority of militaries throughout history have not been professional soldiers but conscripts. Allowing professional soldiers/marine/sailors/airmen to carry firearms is a whole lot different than allowing conscripts to carry.
Malbushim@reddit
Good point.
SawbackBayonet@reddit
Until relatively recently service members were allowed to take personal weapons to war. I've heard plenty of stories of officers brining them to FTXs to guard various things back in the day, and even now they're allowed on many bases for hunting. They keep weapons in arms rooms for accountability as much as safety these days and more so for accountability in the past.
Bartman383@reddit
Is relatively recently like half a century ago?
SawbackBayonet@reddit
When he's talking about "hundreds of years", yes 50 years ago is relatively recently. A bit longer ago as it really ended w/ the 68 gun control act when your family could no longer mail you your .38 from home and captured guns were tamped down on. Know people in today that carried captured guns at times though. People still carry personal melee weapons, and GWOT saw pretty extensive use of personal parts/ accessories.
pyratemime@reddit
If you feel that Hegseth has missed the boat here by ignoring the civilian and contractor workforces, as well as military family members, who exist in the same spaces at the same time and ahare the same riaka kf violence he mentioned make sure to contact your congress critters.
Encourage your Representative and Senators to contact DoW and ask why he is chosing to continue infringing on the self defense rights of other DoW personnel and endanger military family members who are equally at risk as their uniformed spouse when the threats he mentioned draw no diatinction betweem uniformed service members, their civilian/contractor collegues, and their families.
mnatheist@reddit
Now do the 1st and 4th Amendments too
Ron_Swanson_Jr@reddit
He thinks he’s a politician.
teilani_a@reddit
He's a TV personality. That's the same thing these days.
ArbitraryMeritocracy@reddit
He can't even be trusted with weapons, he took out a drummer with an axe.
BriefFisherman8771@reddit
He also thinks he’s the secretary of war, but there hasn’t been one since 1947
AITAH_Tired_OF_IT@reddit
13 years military here, it’s about time. We all carry a gun full time deployed. Should be no different state side.
Hoovercarter97v2@reddit
My civil rights don't end just because I swear an oath to live my life to a higher standard.
If the "barracks party soldiers" are such a threat to life and liberty, then don't let 21 year old men, and younger, join the military and die for Israel. If they can't make mature decisions posessing both alcohol and firearms, they certainly can't make decisions to die for geopolitics. They probably don't have the wisdom to make such a decision.
Regardless of even that point, my civil rights trump your fear. Freedom has consequences; if an individual abuses their freedom, they are punished for it. It's not a perfect system, but mame a better one.
The Founding Fathers didn't fight and die for a cucked, unarmed, domestic military. 2A absolutism is the only appropriate interpretation of the Bill of Rights
pyratemime@reddit
Hopefully the update to 5000.08 won't leave out the civilians (and contractors too... I guess) who are equally vulnerable and in some cases more likely to work on DoD exclaves with increased vulnerability.
We truly put some of our facilities in the absolute worst areas and then ask people to commute through them 24/7. For example see the new NGA campus in St Louis which is in one of the worst parts of the city but they support 24/7 ops so employees are driving in and out at all hours even though they are unable to choose any protective measures for the mile+ through the surrounding neighborhoods.
BroseppeVerdi@reddit
The fact that he keeps saying "On post" makes me think he's talking about specifically giving the OOD, SOG, firewatches, etc. the ability to open carry while on duty, not people keeping gats in the bricks and having their CCW at the PX. Anyone else interpret this that way?
Kokabim@reddit
"On post" is army way say "on base" applies to general installation
BroseppeVerdi@reddit
Ah. This is a phrase that's used differently in the Marine Corps.
tbrand009@reddit
I'm just curious how this will apply to those in the barracks. Will they be able to keep it in the barracks now? Just one specific firearm, or multiple?
Bennett_H47@reddit
This is my main question, what Pete said didn’t really clarify what barracks soldiers are allowed to do. Just that SM’s would have to submit paperwork to be able to carry.
tghost474@reddit
About freaking time.
CasualMonkeyBusiness@reddit
Think what you want on the issue, but that guy is an imbecile.
mopar-or-no_car@reddit
And apparently you're far from 2A and have no right owning guns if service members can't.
RegalArt1@reddit
My brother in Christ that’s what the armory is for
MalPB2000@reddit
No, the armory is for issue weapons.
mtdunca@reddit
I've kept my personal weapons in an Army armory.
MalPB2000@reddit
So did I…because I was forced to.
He was trying to make the point (poorly) that military personnel already have weapons, but he is completely ignorant of the fact that we don’t have access to them 90% of the time, and ammo even less than that. Plus, we’re not allowed to carry our personal weapons at all, even though in many cases the civilians right off post can carry practically everywhere they go.
RegalArt1@reddit
no I’m referring to the “vulnerable and exposed” part
MalPB2000@reddit
I’m just fine carrying my P365, thanks. I’ll leave the SAW in the armory.
SiegfriedArmory@reddit
Yeah if there's an active shooter in my building let me just go to the company arms room 2 miles away, draw a weapon, empty magazines, and a sealed can of ammunition. Should be ready to take him down in under an hour.
D1Corner@reddit
TigerJas@reddit
Imbecilic and factually wrong advice.
Informal_Guitar_2649@reddit
I know he identifies as the Secretary of War, but he was created as the Secretary of Defense.
easy_rollins@reddit
Good thing there's nothing important happening that would pull his attention from this.
8064r7@reddit
On Thursdays and Fridays people would start day drinking the last 2-3 hours before release.
Sounds like a great idea to add "carry" into the mix.
Kegseth was "do not promote before peers," for a reason.
wmtismykryptonite@reddit
Anyone know what the memo says?
https://www.war.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/4450527/hegseth-authorizes-off-duty-service-members-to-carry-private-firearms-on-instal/
Colton_Grundy66@reddit
Honestly what job do you think anybody is gonna give this guy after this administration? Back to being a Fox News anchor? Reality show? I could see him working at Bed, Bath, and Beyond like the police caption on the other guys. 2028 is going to be hilarious.
quicksilverbond@reddit
Hopefully he'll be stamping license plates
intelw1zard@reddit (OP)
thank you for the comment 5 day old account bot
Colton_Grundy66@reddit
Hot-Opportunity8786@reddit
I guess we should be proud of him for having an idea that isn’t a war crime.
squunkyumas@reddit
This used to be the norm. Doing dumb thing like shooting at someone on a military base should have an end result of approximately a quadzillion military dudes of various sorts firing back, and to hell with collateral damage.
ggibby@reddit
When were active military permitted to carry personal loaded weapons on domestic bases before now?
squunkyumas@reddit
Prior to 1992, bases were not gun free zones. The current gun free policy was enacted by G.H.W. Bush.
non-number-name@reddit
I approve the decision, but “collateral damage” in th
squunkyumas@reddit
It's fine, just tell them all to fire in the sane direction.
YetiInMyPants@reddit
Oh man, the amount of ND's in the barracks will legendary.
NoCitron2394@reddit
Finally that piece of shit said something good
TendstobeRight85@reddit
This might be the first semi-solid move that this DUI hire has made. The main reason I dont carry more is that I have to regularly go on post.
DocDerry@reddit
This won't end well.
a_single_legtuck@reddit
Electric. I’ve often wondered why I am trusted with 50+ lives but I can’t be trusted to carry a pistol on base. We shall see how many general officers support this though, I expect there to be a lot of whining from non combat arms folks. Not all of course
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
You know what would keep our service members safer? Not getting them killed in a pointless war with Iran...
Orbital_Vagabond@reddit
Because I guess Kegsbreath needs to distract from shit-canning the Army Chief of Staff.
map2photo@reddit
Dude is an absolute worthless pile of ass, but this is what a “common sense gun law” looks like.
Too bad lots of bases are in garbage stares that have ridiculous gun laws.
msur@reddit
If Pete Hegseth thinks that something is a good idea, that alone is strong evidence that it's a bad idea.
shatteringlass123@reddit
So if Pete Hegseth thinks taliban is bad, you think taliban is good?
msur@reddit
I'd be surprised if Hegseth knew what the taliban was, beyond their association with the war in Afghanistan. If he actually looked at their political/religious views he'd probably find a lot that he liked.
ZeroPointSpecter@reddit
After looking at your comment history, being a TDS Anti-Trump, anti-Cop lib, I can safely say this is probably a good idea.
non-number-name@reddit
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
I’m going to count this as a rare Hegseth W
ThresherGDI@reddit
I predict this will end well.
imuniqueaf@reddit
I don't care for this dude, but we will send our military across the world with all manor of weapons, to defend other people's ~~oil~~ freedoms, but God forbid your exercise your rights at home and let's not talk about having a beer.
wtfredditacct@reddit
Imagine if this has been in place on ft hood back in 2009 or Pensacola in 2019 (among others). There is zero reason why you should be disarmed if you have a damn security clearance, even less so if you have a civilian CCW license.
TheDrunkLibertarian@reddit
I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to carry on bases lol. My brother was in the army and I carried almost every time and told them I was when checking in. They must’ve not given a fuck.
sparkfist@reddit
Is Tel Aviv active military walk around the city in plain clothes carrying rifles on their back.
CiD7707@reddit
The US isnt fucking Israel.
Atomic-Avocado@reddit
Are Israelis magical beings that can carry firearms better than US military personnel?
Shrodax@reddit
Yeah, Israel is fucking the U.S.
aedinius@reddit
It's more of a situationship
CiD7707@reddit
I mean, when youre right...
LukeMonte92@reddit
Murder-suicide numbers bout to go burrrrrrrr
FucknAright@reddit
I cannot wait until this fucking idiot's in prison somewhere getting ass raped
onetwentytwo_1-8@reddit
CiD7707@reddit
Jesus christ... did all of you forget how fucking stupid privates are? Some of the dumbest people I ever met were in the military and shouldn't have been anywhere near a fucking firearm. 17 - 18 year old dumbasses thinking they're Billy bad ass are going to create a lot of fucking problems. Mark my words.
"Hurr duurrr, shall not be infringed!" Dumbass, you are government property. You dont even have the full protection of the first fucking amendment.
VeterinarianAbject93@reddit
Thank God I'm retired!
Kokabim@reddit
Loooong overdue
TheRedCelt@reddit
As a guy who was in during the second Ft. Hood shooting, the Navy Yard shooting, and had a member of my boot camp division killed in the Chatanooga recruiting center shooting, this is long overdue.
bluebeast1562@reddit
Being retired and living near an Army base, hope this passes muster, hate the fact that I can carry outside the walls but God forbid I attempt to enter the base while CC, all hell would break loose.
About 10 years ago, there was a memo published that allowed Soldiers to CC on post with the chain of command (CoC) approval, 90 days at a time. I did inquire to my CoC several times with said memo, got shot down (no pun intended) every time. Hell, as a Senior NCO I was more than qualified to lead Soldiers into battle but not to CCW while on post.
I am 100% certain that the installation command teams will fight this tooth and nail, only time will tell.
SiegfriedArmory@reddit
Indiana Guard did this 11 years ago, created a policy that allowed people to carry on duty as long as they went through a pretty simple approval process with the Provost Marshall and took a ccw class, or had outside law enforcement or firearms instructor creds. In 11 years there have been exactly zero incidents of guardsmen misusing weapons while on duty, and there's over a thousand people carrying on installations on the regular. If they did this on federal bases or created some sort of military CCW permit good for all installations, it would be perfection.
xtreampb@reddit
Man I remember kidnappings happening in base housing in Langley in 2012. No security or is checks, gates wide open. Anyone could drive on or off. And no one allowed guns in the houses. The base house was not attached to the main installation
-GenlyAI-@reddit
What a loser
sticher1@reddit
He is so shiny he looks like a 90’s movie version of a humanoid robot but now in 4k. Think of the johnny cab driver from total recall….hahahahaha
ITcurmudgeon@reddit
Cool.
This guy still has no business running our military.
Tha_Maestro@reddit
Ohh god. He’s drunk again.
AceInTheX@reddit
As a mostly non-drinker, it wouldn't be a problem for me. IMO though, this is def a bad idea for all the young troops who treat the military like a frat house. Perhaps we need to make bases dry with only certain areas and homes being exempt.
BBQSauce61@reddit
Good start but having to ask permission is lame. Shall not be infringed..?
gunsforevery1@reddit
About fuckin time.
shackletons_gps@reddit
This is such a bad idea
CrewNeckC@reddit
Shit..
hpsctchbananahmck@reddit
Quite literally amid an armed conflict of choice with decades of good relations with the WORLD in shambles with the current administration…
Leave it to Hegseth…to make a video directly to the American people…about this big issues on everyone’s mind
Idiocracy came so much sooner than I thought it could.