Israel’s Message to a Broad Swath of Lebanon: Shiites Must Go
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hussainhssn@reddit
Scum ass country, completely indecent and reprehensible behavior from the people that bitch and whine all day about being victims. And far from being victims what we’re seeing is that the average Israeli is either a perpetrator or a bystander - their entire political structure is captured by Zionists and their entire military is filled to the brim with overseas scum and trash that go and steal poor people’s homes. Fuck all of them, all the time. A disgrace to our species that we allow this charade to go on, nobody is God’s “chosen people” and it’s for sure not the degenerates living in Israel.
cropduster102@reddit
ca you be more clear about what you're trying to convey with this statement?
Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit
What is confusing about the statement? The Israeli political structure, across whatever “spectrum” of ideology there may be?m, is entirely Zionist in nature. This is no secret and it’s not a controversial take.
Zionist as in “Israel must continue to occupy Palestine and expel or kill those who oppose the project”
axSupreme@reddit
What would a non Zionist political party look like? I'm pretty sure you can't encourage suicide in any country.
Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit
Advocating for a singular, secular state for all people of Palestine. Right of return for Palestinians. No more segregation. Repeal the 2018 Basic Law that entrenches apartheid and occupation.
It’s not that complicated.
axSupreme@reddit
Who's going to make sure there's no infighting? That's a lot of people dead set on killing each other.
Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit
Zionists managed to use education to get to a point where the majority of Jewish Israelis support ethnic cleansing and nearly half support genocide - so use education to deradicalize them. If they have already killed - prosecute them.
Palestinians do not hate Jewish people, they hate Zionists. It's not Palestinians' fault that the people committing a genocide against them happen to be Jewish.
If they could punish Nazis and get back to a Germany with Jewish people living safely, then the same can be done with Zionists and Palestine.
axSupreme@reddit
While I agree that this solution could be amazing, I don't think there's enough money in the west or good will among the Israelis or the Palestinian to actually make it happen.
It's a happy ending but too unrealistic.
Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit
What do you propose that’s more realistic and that doesn’t compromise on liberation for all?
axSupreme@reddit
There's no good ending. The choice is between bad, worse and worst. What I'm trying to say is that ignoring reality just turns the discourse into an idealistic mush and instead of moving forward, the situation is stuck in a downward spiral, putting Palestinians in a worsening predicament.
Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit
So what do you propose as the least bad option?
Doing nothing will lead to the total eradication of Palestinians. Is this what you propose (doing nothing)?
Fuck, imagine if people’s response to the Nazi-perpetrated genocide was “there’s no good ending because the Nazis are too radicalized and the minorities hate Germans”
cropduster102@reddit
the best end is a 2 state solution. Israel helps the nascent Palestinian state catch up economically etc, and the new Palestinian state is demilitarized and in their founding documentation, forswears violence against Israel.. It can work. Of course, the Israeli security guarantees are going to have to be massive. Likewise, the Palestinian state will have to decide if they want to incorporate settlements or do land swaps based on population centers.
hussainhssn@reddit
👆🏼this guy gets it
BufferUnderpants@reddit
Maybe make up a new national identity and call it another way
Germans has to stop identifying as Aryans and using the swastika, but it wasn’t the end of them
hussainhssn@reddit
The problem is Israel is a made up country based on irredentist Jewish supremacy, you can’t separate the two. Germany existed before WW2, Israel did not exist before it was founded. Israel’s founders are all settler colonial scumbags and human filth for the most part, as a matter of fact it’s basically impossible to find an Israeli “founder” that wasn’t involved in stealing someone’s home. You would legitimately have better luck finding a Saint in a whorehouse.
cropduster102@reddit
Because all Zionism is is "the belief that Israel should exist." That's why. You can add adjectives in front to modify it, but, at it's core, there is nothing different between being pro-zionist or pro-palestinian. The 2 can exist alongside each other.
Fluffy-Republic8610@reddit
It's colonialism in action. Ethnic gardening the next fields beyond the fields they've already stolen. In the longer run, it will be the future living space for some future Israeli colonists.
They think if we plant a few druze and Christians there, we can keep them in line and there will be no one to resist.
moonorplanet@reddit
It's Zionism in action, distilled to its very essence.
Fluffy-Republic8610@reddit
Yep..Zionism is colonialism with marketing and back story.
ChefCurryYumYum@reddit
I am really hoping for a future where American swings so far left we stop providing any aid for these assholes and they will have to deal with this shit with their own resources.
Good luck with that baby!
semaj009@reddit
Hell as a lefty Australia, I'm even just hoping for a future when the US swings so far left it finally discovers the centre right. Imagine them discovering why liberalism is considered right wing to basically every other country on earth, and that Bernie Sanders was actually the centrist all along.
ChefCurryYumYum@reddit
I mean Australia has a lot of issues with their government and big money influence as well.
I think the best thing that happened to some of these other democracies was Trump's second term. It scared voters off of those types of right-wing authoritarians. It definitely seems to have swung Canada's last election.
semaj009@reddit
Agreed, it helped ruin a terrifyingly right wing prospective government by our opposition having too much Trump about them. And I agree Australia is hardly a left wing paradise, but we're absolutely left of the USA and the things causing us to slide right are by and large American money-linked oligarchs (if not American oligarchs/interests themselves). Most Aussies want free education, healthcare, and to retire supported by the Govt, we're getting more individualistic over time because of American culture seeping through and honestly it's shit
Express_Spirit_3350@reddit
People are all black and white, and deep into partisanery.
Say what you will against "them", the MAGA movement did revolt over this. Tucker Carlson being the most prominent, there is a significant part of the US right that is going hardcore against Israel, I would need to be given examples of "left figureheads" attacking Israel's hold on US politics that way.
semaj009@reddit
What the fuck are you talking about? Which left figureheads didn't oppose it from the start? Keep in mind that the Dems aren't a left wing party by and large, and the Dems who are left wing did all vocally oppose the genocide
Express_Spirit_3350@reddit
Everyone was opposed, Trump soecifically promised no war against Iran.
I said it like that for a reason, its not like I'm actually following American politics, but who on the left vehemently accuses Israel of subjucating US politics? And again, not people on reddit, everyone on reddit agrees. I'm talking about media people follow, public voices.
Wolf4980@reddit
At this point destroying Israel's economy via North Korea-level international sanctions is the moderate position. We are way past talk of just an "arms embargo". Other countries' economies have been destroyed by sanctions for far less and yet Israel is allowed to do literally anything with impunity. I want to see the average Israeli get reduced to begging for food on the streets by the sanctions.
Kanuman07@reddit
Does israel bomb egypt, no does israel bom jordan, no, why they bomb lebannon, because the shitte reside in lebannon support the group called hezbollah, which main's ideology adhere to shitte belief, to wipe out the jews
It litterlly survival mode, and you guys compare it to nazi germany. You guys are sick.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Israel bombs Lebanon because they want to take over South Lebanon as part of their Greater Israel project. Didn’t you know that God gave most of the Middle East exclusively to Jews?
Kanuman07@reddit
And what make you think so, if they really want that, why they returned land to other countries after the six days war then
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
Look at the West Bank. Or the Golan heights. It really isn't a secret that Israel is constantly trying to steal foreign land and what's worse, either force out the people living there or send enough settlers so that they're a minority.
Kanuman07@reddit
The west bank was occupied by Jordan for literally 20 years
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
Okay? What does this have to do with Israel?
Kanuman07@reddit
I don't agree with what Isreal do, but they have the right to defense themself
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Are these canned responses? You don’t seem to be answering any questions or making an argument, just regurgitating talking points.
Gubbinso@reddit
How does stealing land and displacing civilians, which ends up making their own future enemies, count as defense?
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
So you're not even trying to deny the fact that Israel is trying to steal more foreign land, okay.
"I don't agre with what the Nazi Germany does, but they have a right to defend themselves."
PartySr@reddit (OP)
I like how Zionists talking points always ignore the fact that Israel has displaced 2 million people and will destroy the whole region in the name of "security". From Gaza, to West Bank, to Lebanon, you Nazis have the same talking points. I wonder what survival mode gives you the right to torture, rape, and kill innocents left and right, especially children who are Isreal's favorite target
Not a single argument grounded in reality. You're just a happy Nazi who gets pleasure from this death and destruction.
And btw, check this guy profile. He is one of those people who were defending US attack on the Iranian school.
Kanuman07@reddit
So tell me why hezbollah shoot missiles at israel then, bet you can't even answer that simple question
PartySr@reddit (OP)
Nazi talking points. "They forced us to do it"
Which part of that gave them the right to ethnically cleanse a group of people? Which part of that gave them the right to take the land and destroy the houses of two million people.
Kanuman07@reddit
You can try to twist it in what you want, why hezbollah shoot missile at israel, answer that question.
PartySr@reddit (OP)
Israel broke the ceasefire 4 hours after they signed it, you Nazi.
"They forced us to be Nazis. To rape, and torture, and destroy everything."
PartySr@reddit (OP)
Israel broke the ceasefire 4 hours after they signed it, you Nazi.
And you're still defending a genocidal country, like a good dog. Go bow to Trump.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
Yeah yeah yeah
Two countries let you commit genocide mostly unimpeded, it’s everyone else that’s sick for not buying your twisted social Darwinist ideology
Kanuman07@reddit
And you support the terrorist that launch missiles from resident and kinder gardern and think that's alr, oh damn, you're twist in the head
PartySr@reddit (OP)
I like how Zionists talking points always ignore the fact that Israel has displaced 2 million people and will destroy the whole region in the name of "security". From Gaza, to West Bank, to Lebanon, you nazis have the same talking points. I wonder what survival mode gives you the right to torture, rape, and kill innocents left and right, especially children who somehow are Isreal favorite target.
Not a single argument grounded in reality, you're just a happy Nazi who gets pleasure from the death and destruction spread by these Nazis.
PartySr@reddit (OP)
There we go. Jews are hunting a certain group of people. Is beyond me how anyone can still think that Israel is not the new Nazi Germany.
King_Of_Pants@reddit
Most people think genocide is when you kill a large number of people, but there's actually no number attatched to the term.
Genos - Relating to the Greek word for race, tribe or people.
Cide - Relating to the Latin word for killing.
Geno-Cide is when you try to kill an entire group/tribe of people.
And because the term relates to tribes, communities, people, etc... you can actually commit genocide without killing a single person. If you're killing a community or a culture, that also counts.
If you invade a country and rape all the women with the specific intent to dilute the gene pool - Genocide.
If you kidnap the children and push them into reeducation camps designed to overwrite their local culture, customs, language - Genocide.
If you pump chemicals into the water that forcibly sterilise all the men in a community - Genocide.
If you push entire communities out of their homes and forceibly relocate them - Genocide.
An army might invade and kill 10s or 100s of thousands or even millions of people, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're guilty of genocide. They might just be mass murderers and run-of-the-mill war criminals. Normally the toughest part of convicting acts of genocide is proving intent. You have to catch the guilty part outright discussing their plans to wipe a certain group off the map.
But Israel has been incredibly open about their intent. There really is no excuse for the world's lacklustre response to their genocidal acts.
elihu@reddit
Actually, genocide applies even if you're killing some part of a group. You don't have to intend to kill them all.
Also worth noting that the Genocide Convention specifically calls attacking religious groups, not just ethnic groups:
Bloaf@reddit
Some genocide experts include political groups as well, which basically makes every war ever waged a genocide.
elihu@reddit
It would make basically every war in which one side explicitly attacked civilians on the basis of their political affiliation a genocide, but that isn't how all wars are conducted. Shooting back at combatants because they're shooting at you is not genocide. The Geneva Conventions cover the widely-agreed-on rules of war, and they predate the Genocide Convention.
Bloaf@reddit
No. The word "civilian" isn't present in any of the definitions of genocide that I know of. Nor is "except in cases of self defense". Nor is "its only a genocide if you do some other war crimes while you're at it."
elihu@reddit
Has any court ever interpreted the Genocide Convention that way? Perhaps the treaty could have explicitly said that war isn't automatically genocide, but at the time (1948) they may have assumed that everyone would take that for granted even if they didn't say it, as the Geneva conventions were already well established. And they might have been wary of having an "except for war" exception, as some party might use war as a pretense for committing genocide -- which is a thing that happens.
You're right that genocide is a crime of intent. If you're shooting back at someone because you don't want them to kill you and take your land, it's a different sort of intent than shooting back at someone because you think that that person ought to die on the basis of their race, nationality, or religion. I would expect international courts to respect that distinction.
kylebisme@reddit
Can you cite any of these so-called experts?
Bloaf@reddit
Sure, check out Leo Kuper: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Kuper
kylebisme@reddit
So, no, he's explicitly not arguing to expand the definition of the term, and certainly not suggesting every war ever waged is a genocide.
Bloaf@reddit
lol, he's saying that he's not going to insist on using his own definition, even though he thinks his definition is better, because it will make it harder for people to read his work.
kylebisme@reddit
Kuper is explicitly not arguing to expand the definition of the term, and certainly not suggesting every war ever waged is a genocide.
Bloaf@reddit
He is explaining why he is not deviating from the "standard" term, not that the "standard" term is correct.
How about this: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/393916098_Reconsidering_the_Definition_of_Genocide_The_Case_for_Including_Political_Groups_in_International_Criminal_Law
kylebisme@reddit
Again, though, Schabas isn't really suggesting every war ever waged is a genocide, is he?
Bloaf@reddit
Haha, they won't say it explicitly no. But it is an inevitable logical conclusion of observing that:
War is violence undertaken between two states with the intent to destroy each other (in whole or in part)
States are political groups.
kylebisme@reddit
Not really, the Russo-Ukrainian war for example is a territorial conflict were neither side is trying to destroy the other.
Bloaf@reddit
You mean they're not trying to destroy the soldiers?
kylebisme@reddit
I mean trying to destroy combatants isn't genocide even if they all happen to be the same ethnicity or religious affilation, and wouldn't be if it included political affiliation either.
Bloaf@reddit
The requirements for genocide are:
People's status as combatants does not factor in to the definition.
Since you were so insistent on me providing sources earlier, how about you show me a source for your definition of genocide that says "its not a genocide if you only kill 'combatants'".
kylebisme@reddit
Well no serious person argues that killing strictly combatants does constitute genocide, so it's not something a source would address. That said, one can look at examples where far more than just combatants were killed but not with demonstrated genocidal intent, as for example was the case in Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro:
Bloaf@reddit
Of course, they were going off the definition of "protected group" which does not include political group.
kylebisme@reddit
Well of course they were but that's beside the point. The protected group in this case was Bosnian Muslims, it's just the killing "were not accompanied by the specific intent that defines the crime of genocide, namely the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the protected group," despite the fact far more than just combatants were killed.
In in that same regard, if the definition of genocide were expanded to include political groups, a war with for example Bosnian socialists wouldn't necessarily be genocide either, even if it included massacres of peaceful civilians.
Bloaf@reddit
Ah, but here we disagree: A war is requires the intent to destroy (at least) part of a political group. If you don't intend to destroy part of the enemy state-qua-political group, you just... won't do a war.
kylebisme@reddit
And there was obviously intent to destroy part of the religious group in Bosnia and Herzegovina, but not in the sense of "in whole or in part" as it's intend in the Genocide Convention, not according to the International Court of Justice. That is aside from the case of Srebrenica, as the page I linked previously explains the court did find genocide there.
Bloaf@reddit
Sure, check out Leo Kuper: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Kuper
DivideMind@reddit
Genocide by any of the agreed standards was pretty common regardless, there are entire language groups that were thriving less than 2000 years ago and now almost don't exist.
Zer_@reddit
Targetting cultural centers, museums and universities are also part of genocide.
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
Sounds more like "divide and conquer" strategy.
Amadon29@reddit
I mean, is hezbollah operating out of Christian, druze, or sunni villages? No, because they're Shiites. Their religion has been opposed to Israel and jews for a while. They want to destroy Israel. The Shiites have supported hezbollah as a state within Lebanon for a while. Where do you think hezbollah has been launching rockets from? These villages. They have shown time and time again that they don't want to just live in peace. This is basically fuck around and find out. If you keep supporting terrorists to attack your neighbor, don't be surprised when your neighbor forces you to leave. This isn't similar to the holocaust at all. I understand it's complicated and how you can make that weird comparison if you only have a surface level understanding about middle east geopolitics though.
PartySr@reddit (OP)
Zionists talking points. You creatures always think that you have the right to rape, torture, kill people, and destroy everything in your path.
voidox@reddit
as usual, every accusation is a confession... every time with zionists.
"duh they want to destroy Israel!" as if Israel hasn't done anything ever and is totally just an innocent victim. As if all the open talk of hate/bigotry/racism, oppression, aggression, all the settler videos, Kenesset and their laws, IDF's actions, war crimes, genocide, ethnic cleansing, teachings, etc. of zionism are imaginary or something to you ppl.
Then you losers drop the "fuck around and find out", well you know Hezbollah that you losers cry about are a group that rose from the direct actions of Israel/US in the Lebanon civil war, so Israel "fucked around and is now finding out".
ShootmansNC@reddit
Get your mind blown https://archive.ph/aF7dO
Originally posted by The Telegraph.
Says the redditor with a surface level understanding about middle east geopolitics lmao.
Kanuman07@reddit
They think the best out comes when getting attacked is getting bomb the hell out then play victim
TheCrazedTank@reddit
Also, they’ll totally bomb the evacuation zones anyways if they think there’s eve one person of interest in there. Those people are absolutely it safe…
ShootmansNC@reddit
"You're sheltering enemies of the state, are you not?"
eCanario@reddit
This reads like something out of Inglorious Basterds it's not even fun. They'll be looking for Muslims hidden in Christians' attics.
"You're hiding enemies of the state, are you not?"
Kanuman07@reddit
Do you even know the ideology of shitte, to kill all the jew
Kanuman07@reddit
So the hezbolah want to kill all the jew is fine, but when israel want to force out that group of people who is right above them, keep sending missiles at them is not ok. It is bad because it israel, you guys doesn't have any logical thinking at all.
Catalani@reddit
What a MORAL course of action! Truly on brand for the most moral army in the world ™. Oh, we're committing war crimes? Doesn't matter, they're all HiZbUlLaH! Take no prisoners!!!
Btw, we really need to get rid of the oppressive mullahs... they have child soliders, don't you know????
Solid_Writer1072@reddit
even with nazi Germany most people got mad only after they knew the Nazis were losing
DeepState_Auditor@reddit
Promoting sectarian violence in Lebanon once again
Stubbs94@reddit
Surely it didn't lead to babies being ripped out of pregnant women while the Israeli army blocked the group being slaughtered from leaving... Right?
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
Damn, the racism goes crazy with those guys
PM_ME_YOUR_MEGUMINS@reddit
I guess pogroms are fine as long as it's the Zionist Entity doing them. I bet the usual posters will unironically argue that here.
lavastorm@reddit
Zionists must go!
alpha_berchermuesli@reddit
Swapping the term Shiites with "Jew" or "jewish people" for that matter is like reading an archived piece about early Nazi Germany.
Jack_Rannoch@reddit
The world held up a mirror to Bibi but forgot he's blind. All that's left to do is watch as innocents must suffer the fate bestowed upon them by bellicose politicians with racist motivations. A sad state of affairs.
What the Israel likes to forget is that, apart from refugees, the EU houses a sizable diaspora of well integrated and partially secular Northern-Africans and Turks with a growing amount of political influence. Right now the EU is heavily dependent on Israeli-US weapons systems imports. However, it's rapidly diversifying. I can imagine that after the dust has settled and years have passed we'll see a rather permanent diversion in EU-Israeli relations.
IOnlyFearOFGod@reddit
So they are just going around massacring people again? in big 2026? Iran should have packed up a nuke long time ago instead of complying with the Obama administration and stopping the development of nukes. International trust is dead, age of distrust and bloodshed is gonna become the new normal as conflicts escalate, Nuke was the only true deterrent.
Wolf4980@reddit
At this point destroying Israel's economy via North Korea-level international sanctions is the moderate position. We are way past talk of just an "arms embargo". Other countries' economies have been destroyed by sanctions for far less and yet Israel is allowed to do literally anything with impunity. I want to see the average Israeli get reduced to begging for food on the streets by the sanctions.
Wolf4980@reddit
At this point destroying Israel's economy via North Korea-level international sanctions is the moderate position. We are way past talk of just an "arms embargo". Other countries' economies have been destroyed by sanctions for far less and yet Israel is allowed to do literally anything with impunity. I want to see the average Israeli get reduced to begging for food on the streets by the sanctions.
mostard_seed@reddit
Oh boy are they trying to do phalangists again?
If that is allowed to happen, then I don't know if I can have faith in humanity any more.
Guess I have to say something to fill out the rest of this? Sure. Maybe will use this as an opportunity to say how I hope this time, since more eyes are on the matter, someone can either put a stop to it, or we can actually see consequences materialize, but who am I kidding lol.
mostard_seed@reddit
That rule is so annoying btw. I get why it might be there but it seems like kt can actively disincentivize discussion.
HalfLeper@reddit
I often have questions I don’t ask, because they’re rarely longer than 150 chars.
wimmick@reddit
u/cnn this is clearly a repeat of 1930s Germany, will you be reporting on this at all or will you be complicit in genocide by hiding this news? How many times does Israel have to commit and brag about war crimes, and crimes against humanity before you start reporting on it?
u/cnn the world is watching
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