Venezuela forgets about Maduro and starts down an irreversible path
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The country is trying to turn the page while Venezuelans take to the streets to gauge the true openness of Delcy Rodríguez’s government
After years trapped waiting for change, Venezuela has entered a new phase without its citizens fully understanding where they stand. Reality shifted abruptly, but remains shrouded in a mixture of optimism and uncertainty. Something has changed: the difficult part is defining how much, in what direction, and for how long. Although it does seem irreversible.
In Caracas, Nicolás Maduro’s name and face still appear on some billboards and television ads, but his presence has faded until it has disappeared from everyday conversations. And even from the sphere of power. Almost three months after his capture in a dramatic U.S. operation and just weeks before his trial begins in New York, the country functions—better—without him.
Instead, Delcy Rodríguez is gaining ground within Chavismo, and while she hasn’t dismantled the system that sustains her, she has been sidelining those most loyal to her predecessor in an attempt to distance herself from Maduro’s regime. In recent weeks, Rodríguez has shaken up her cabinet, replacing some ministers with others more aligned with her leadership. She has also dismantled the military hierarchy—including the powerful Minister of Defense, Vladimir Padrino—that controlled the country even after the defensive failure that resulted in Maduro’s capture. The new generals don’t represent a break—they remain loyal to the Bolivarian Revolution—but they are now her handpicked appointees.
There are scenes in Venezuela today that would have been unthinkable a few months ago. A transportation strike paralyzed Caracas, a released opposition member held a press conference to denounce Chavista repression, and a union march proceeded toward the National Assembly with signs demanding better wages and greater freedoms.
These images are now relatively common: workers, students, opposition members, and civil organizations are testing the limits of what they can do each day.
The most significant gesture of openness has been the amnesty law promoted by Rodríguez herself. The law contains clear exclusions—leaving out figures like María Corina Machado, whom Chavismo accuses of inciting military intervention—but it has benefited nearly 5,000 people, who have been released from prison or had their pretrial detention measures lifted.
Every morning, the radio is filled with news reports about the economic recovery: the construction sector, oil revenues, incoming investments, gold sales. The same refrain is repeated on public television.
In practice, the situation remains dire: the dollar rises daily, the exchange rate gap hasn’t been resolved, and inflation continues to be the main problem for ordinary Venezuelans.
The opposition is also trying to find its footing in this new phase. It is undergoing its own restructuring. María Corina Machado, the leader with the greatest popular support, remains outside the country, and although her priority is to return, it is not clear that she can do so as soon as she would like.
Some parties are already exploring channels of communication with Chavismo to gain ground in a scenario that is no longer one of total confrontation. Meanwhile, other figures are emerging, such as former presidential candidate Enrique Márquez, recently released from prison and publicly endorsed by Donald Trump, who invited him to deliver the State of the Union address.
See also:
- US lifts sanctions on Venezuela’s acting President Delcy Rodríguez (Associated Press)
Lucius_Furius@reddit
A change of management, I hope all those expats and migrants who were celebrating will now return to rebuild their country as a glorious democracy /s
But seriously, who the hell thought it will end in any other way? From Panama to Chile everybody should know what the US and its Monroe doctrine means for South and Central America.
zootbot@reddit
Wha do you mean in any other way? This seems like net good for Venezuelans or I’m just missing something
40_Thousand_Hammers@reddit
Maduro was a omnipresent AI that everyone loved by force and his cabinet respected him, he was a leader who rode the popularity of his successor to get in power and made his own enclave of powerful and rich people (as many countries do) and what happened is that these same people got bored and ousted him, they think the exact same way as him, but without having to hear his ideas, just imagine a board of investors with a CEO they hate and the board made a deal with the SWAT to jail him and keep the company to the board than finding a new CEO.
Thats why nothing has and will change.
zootbot@reddit
I guess but the article seems to imply there already is change
Blackout38@reddit
Yeah it means “you Europeans can go do that to the rest of the world while we do it here locally.”
Penuwana@reddit
Nono only America bad ignore the former colonies.
CrispyHaze@reddit
America are undoubtedly the bad guys now. They've left it to Europe to carry the mantle of freedom. Whether Europe is up to the task remains to be seen, but at least their heart is in the right place.
Penuwana@reddit
Most hyperbolic shit I've seen today.
Yeah. Cause Trump will be in office forever, right?
CrispyHaze@reddit
Sure, if you are completely ignorant of what happened in 2020 I guess you could go on believing that it's hyperbolic. I'm sure having absolutely no consequences for literally trying to steal an election will discourage him from trying again. All that Trump 2028 merch is surely just jokes, right?
I wonder what those "no kings" protests are about. Largest protest in U.S. history, must be a bunch of hoopla about nothing.
d_for_dumbas@reddit
yes, and there will nobody after him since hr cleaaaaaaaaaaaaly doesnt have a support bnase or his fascist clique
tttttttttoooooooooooooooooooooooooottttttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bro
TheDreamIsEternal@reddit
A continent with monarchies carrying the mantle of freedom? Lol, lmao even.
CrispyHaze@reddit
De jure. Figureheads only. Have you seen what is happening in the United States lately? De facto.
usefulidiotsavant@reddit
What about... surely they are an excellent distraction when discussing ?
usefulidiotsavant@reddit
Yeah, and when Europeans stopped doing it 60-70 years ago, US said "ok, if you don't want Africa and Asia, we'll take them too!"
Blackout38@reddit
Did something happen in Europe 60-70 years ago? I’m forgetting, did yall start your 4th global war?
IdiAmini@reddit
Stupid comment
Who is continuing to bomb the middle east to smithereens again? Who is propping up Russia again? Who is making China seem like the better, more rational option on the world stage again?
anticomet@reddit
China doesn't need any help to appear as the better, more rational option. They've been like that for a while despite what American propaganda would have you believe.
TheBoizAreBackInTown@reddit
Without any question lol. There hasn't been a time in the last several decades when China's foreign policy and action has been worse than the US.
27Rench27@reddit
Their monetary policies definitely leave something to be desired though, at this point I personally believe that’s the main thing holding them back from overtaking us
TheBoizAreBackInTown@reddit
In very broad strokes, their economic system and monetary policies work better than the US hypercapitalism. That's one of the main reasons why they've been catching up to the US economically and why they'll be the new sole economic superpower in a few decades.
TheColdestFeet@reddit
That's literally what the Monroe doctrine meant when it was created during colonialism, Europeans can have Asia and Africa for themselves, but South America was ours. Similarly, trump seems to find it acceptable if Russia and China carve up Europe, Asia, and Africa, as long as we get dibs on South America
Blackout38@reddit
No a stupid comment would be assuming the Monroe doctrine refers to the rest of the world. Do you think it’s our oil we are protecting? Lol
IdiAmini@reddit
Doubling down on stupid, the (north) American way
Congratz
Blackout38@reddit
Bahaha should I assume making assumption about strangers is just the European way then?
IdiAmini@reddit
You can assume what you like
I just made an observation
Blackout38@reddit
Not at all just assumption. Typical I guess.
IdiAmini@reddit
Iliketoplan@reddit
wtf is this bs fighting; are you both bots or just stuck trying to prove your holier than thou?
Significant-Mall-830@reddit
Pretty sure they are both bots as they are kind of arguing about nothing
Johnny_C13@reddit
This sub was better yesterday.
ChefCurryYumYum@reddit
The things you are saying don't make any sense.
ultimate_placeholder@reddit
The Monroe doctrine was explicitly trying to establish the Americas as a sphere of influence for the US by excluding Europe, the problem is the term Monroe doctrine frequently being misapplied to all US imperialism in the Americas (as it was here).
andsens@reddit
Oh fuck right off
MarsScully@reddit
You joke, but they might. As much as people cry about regime repression, it’s money that they care about first and foremost. Especially the elites, what really drove them away was not the economic crisis in itself or the political repression, but the campaign of expropriations.
If Delcy does away with private property seizures, I’m certain large swathes of the right wing elites will go back, because there’s a lot of money to be made in rebuilding from a crisis of this magnitude.
Also, I don’t know if you read the article, but it seems the regime is testing the waters allowing some level of dissent while internally Delcy consolidates her power. Only one of those things really represents a material change for the Venezuelan common-folk. The rest is same old, different name.
Additionally, Maduro never held a cult of personality the way Chavez did. It’s not surprising that they’re forgetting about him, especially if there are early promises of some kind of benefit.
I think Delcy is playing this fairly smart. She knows the only way she stays in power is to stay in Trump’s good graces. The military demonstrated that they can’t protect her, and Trump that he’s unhinged enough to literally remove her from office. She’s trying to gain favor with the people as the new face of the regime while consolidating power internally. I personally see Venezuela going down a similar (probably less prosperous) path to China. Still a regime, but one with tolerable levels of repression and better material conditions.
Venezuelans had already been migrating back home the last few years. If Delcy can stay in power and avoid turmoil, I wouldn’t be surprised if even more migrants go back.
miggupetit@reddit
I've read sources quoting her support as far below 20%. For some reason she seems hell bent on aligning with Israel, like Milei for some reason. Why should South American right wingers posture so strongly on the issue of recognition of Israel - there are far more important matters for them to deal with
justthisoncepp@reddit
Because they want to be in good graces with the US, and America does as Israel commands.
helpless9002@reddit
South American right wing align with Israel basically for two reasons. One is because they side with the USA and the other is because they use religion a lot as a political tool.
miggupetit@reddit
To align with US I agree. Regarding religion, I don't think so. Catholics do not have much affinity to Israel and are not like evangelicals.
2stepsfromglory@reddit
Evangelical movements have been growing a lot in Latin America (especially in Brazil, Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras and Colombia) since the 80s due to the interests of the US government of not letting liberation theology spread across the continent.
helpless9002@reddit
Well, here in Brazil at least the evangelicals are getting close to surpassing catholics in number, and they are way more politically engaged.
This too is a result of US backed propaganda. In the end, everything has to do with the US.
Mr-Jota@reddit
What are those sources though? Because Machado is VERY popular among venezuelans. More tha 60% of the country voted for a guy that nobody really knew (Edmundo González Urrutia) just because he was backed by Machado.
mamamackmusic@reddit
You ask for sources, then provide none for your own extremely dubious statistical claim.
Mr-Jota@reddit
Fair enough, I’ll try to make a timeline:
-Machado won the opposition primary by a landslide:
https://elpais.com/america/2023-10-23/maria-corina-machado-arrasa-en-las-primarias-de-la-oposicion-en-venezuela.html
But oh surprise, the government didn’t allow her to be in the elections, so they had to chose another candidate, enter Edmundo González:
https://www.huffingtonpost.es/global/gonzalez-urrutia-lider-improbable.html?
Elections came, according to the government Edmundo got 43% of votes, but results are contested by many 3rd parties and countries (uncluding allied left wing governments, such as Colombia and Brazil):
-https://elpais.com/america-colombia/2024-09-26/petro-reitera-que-ni-colombia-ni-brasil-reconoceran-a-maduro-si-no-presenta-las-actas-electorales.html
Then opposition showed their results, giving Edmundo over 60% of votes (keep in mind that this doesnt include the votes of 8 million Venezuelans that live abroad, and most of them are against Maduro).
You could claim the opposition figures are false, but what they presented is more auditable and reliable than any result the government has provided as of today, almost 2 years after the elections:
-https://elpais.com/america/2024-10-02/el-centro-carter-presenta-a-la-oea-las-actas-originales-de-la-votacion-en-venezuela-que-otorgan-la-victoria-de-edmundo-gonzalez.html
-https://www.newtral.es/actas-electorales-venezuela/20250109/
Even after the US intervention, she remains quite popular in Venezuela:
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/venezuelans-say-machado-should-lead-country-after-maduros-capture-survey
Thiphra@reddit
1 Evangelicals tend ro vote right wing so they try to evoke the image of the blibical Israel not the current Israel.
2 To appease the US. Most of the right wing parties have ties to US backed dictatorahips from th 60s to the 90s, also leftist in latin america chapion cooperation between the nations, and other underveloped nations, to lessen the US dependancy and influnce in the region.
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
Rodriguez? I doubt that she cares one way or another about Israel.
To the extent that she's said or done anything pertaining to it, she's probably just following a script.
miggupetit@reddit
No was referring to Machado
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
Oh, my bad. I don't know if she's an actual ideologue, just a CIA employee in it for the money, or some combination of the two.
Mando177@reddit
I know the situations aren’t completely identical but man Iran really showed how weak the Venezuelans were. The IRGC are lighting a quarter of Asia on fire against the full force of two nuclear powers while the Bolivarian revolutionaries gave up without firing a shot. Say what you will about the Islamic Republic but they chose death before dishonour
Tman1027@reddit
To be fair to Rodriguez and Venezuela, I dont think they have an easy situation. Maduro wasnt Chavez and had presided over significant mismanagement of the nation. They lack the military build up and geographic leverage that Iran has. I think that she made the decision to tacitly play ball in a way that maintains Venezuelan sovereignty and Chavismo without risking more lives.
studio_bob@reddit
So she's a Quisling.
joecitizen79@reddit
I'd argue she's a traitor too
BrunoTheYeti@reddit
It's not a matter of power, Venezuela as hostile as it was to the US never had a history like Iran and US/Israel, iranians were trained and conditioned to fight them basically all their life
US and Russia shared a lot of things in common with their wars, when you attack people that despises you for decades and are constantly threatened by you, they wont give up as easily as Venezuela did, where Maduro was scared shitless of them
Penuwana@reddit
Lot of people ignore that Venezuelans, by and large, hated and feared Maduro far more than the US.
And a lot of redditors want to reframe that truth.
light_to_shaddow@reddit
Are Americans commited to invading Iran?
mrgoobster@reddit
The only groups that support the war in Iran are neoliberals and evangelicals; unfortunately, the neoliberals control the Democratic party, and the evangelicals control the Republicans and the White House.
el_cachaco_williams@reddit
Sounds like the slightly plot to handmaid's tale ngl
Penuwana@reddit
Hope not.
debasing_the_coinage@reddit
Venezuela's VP had already agreed to the plan. Not exactly surprising that the military didn't fight back harder. The Cubans may have been in the dark.
What's particularly embarrassing is that somehow this Potemkin raid was held up as evidence of what the US would be able to do against a real adversary.
South America also just has, in the postcolonial era, been the most peaceful place in the world. Europe drew ire for its countries spending around 1.5% on the military instead of the NATO requirement of 2%, but most countries in SA have been under 1% for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American_long_peace
milton117@reddit
That's not true.
Mando177@reddit
I’m pretty sure the only ones firing back that night were the Cubans
milton117@reddit
Whoever was manning the Tor got one shot off before the cobra took it out
no_soy_livb@reddit
The Venezuelan embassy in Lima remains closed, I always see it on my way to work. So far Delcy Rodríguez seems only to attract Americans and Europeans, she's seeking sanctions relief. She's not interested in restoring relations with my country or neighboring states. At least for now.
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
Plainly no such thing as "an irreversible path" in the political development and political system of a country.
The U.S. carried out what was, in effect, a coup d'etat to depose certain figures in the government and prop up certain other ones against them and in their place to convert it into a puppet government. It's something which has happened a lot around the world in various forms by hegemons, but never was anything irreversible. That is a matter to be determined by history and their populations in the long-term.
But the biggest problem in the Americas for independent governments like formerly the Venezuelan one, the Nicaraguan, the Cuban, etc. is geographic proximity. Meaning that even if the U.S. global empire partially collapses and retreats in Europe and Asia, reverting to a somewhat more self-contained 19th century form anchored on the Western hemisphere, it will still terrorize Latin America and the Caribbean, if anything only doubling down its grip.
voiderest@reddit
The energy can be there. Pockets of people here and there have opposed regimes or cartels with force.
machado34@reddit
I mean, she openly asked for the American military to intervene against Venezuela, this is less a chavist accusation and more like a fact that's clearly established
DankMemesNQuickNuts@reddit
Damn so all of those things I told everyone that said this was a good idea would inevitably happen as a result of the US doing this actually ended up being true?
Who would have guessed other than anyone who has been paying attention to US foreign policy since September 11th 2001?