Steam Hardware & Software Survey: March 2026
Posted by JohnSteveRom2077@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 156 comments
NVIDIA RTX 50 Series Desktop/Laptop Cards
- RTX 5070 = 2.87% (-6.55% vs February 2026)
- RTX 5060 = 2.42% (-4.30%)
- RTX 5060 Laptop = 1.81% (+1.23%)
- RTX 5060 Ti = 1.67% (-2.61%)
- RTX 5070 Ti = 1.55% (+0.28%)
- RTX 5080 = 1.34% (-0.32%)
- RTX 5070 Laptop = 0.45% (New)
- RTX 5090 = 0.42% (+0.17%)
- RTX 5070 Ti Laptop = 0.31% (+0.12%)
- RTX 5050 Laptop = 0.24% (New)
AMD RX 90 Series Desktop/Laptop Cards
- RX 9070 = 0.16% (Was in January data at 0.16%. Moved off the list in February and back with the same share in March)
Aggravating_Ring_714@reddit
Is that survey correct? HARDWAREUNBOXED’s 9070 and 9070xt coverage made me believe they outsold the “TERRIBLE VALUE USELESS 5070/5070ti” by the hundreds of thousands 🤔
nosurprisespls@reddit
I got a 5070 Ti -- gladly paid $750 instead of $699 for 9070XT.
Dos-Commas@reddit
Gamers want AMD to succeed so they could buy Nvidia cheaper.
Electrical_Zebra8347@reddit
The terminally online ones in hardware focused spaces maybe but I doubt the average pc gamer is thinking about AMD's or Nvidia's success especially as it relates to hardware prices. The thought process probably goes like this:
1) I need a new PC/gpu
2) My budget is X, what's the most popular prebuilt/gpu in this budget range?
2b) What do my friends have/recommend?
3) Buy whatever most people have/recommend and is in stock (the answer is most likely going to be nvidia related)
4) Never think about what's inside the PC again until it's time to troubleshoot or update drivers
And that's how despite all the scathing reviews the 4060 and 5060 sold a ton, reviewers literally begged people to not buy those cards and they still get bought.
ManuSwaG@reddit
People underestimate that the pre build sales are so much bigger than invidual gpu sales. Majority of peolle just get a pre built where nvidia is very dominant. Even more so than invidual gpu sales.
KARMAAACS@reddit
Just ignore them, they cited MindFactory data the other day which is heavily AMD biased due to being in Germany (Germany has great AMD distributors). Even big AMD fans like NotAnAppleFan on YT who believed for a while that MindFactory sales meant AMD was selling much better, has seen the light and understands that now MindFactory numbers are BS. For so long, I'm pretty sure MindFactory was showing great sales for Bulldozer too, so take that for what you will about Mindfactory sales data, it's pretty much confirmed that Bulldozer, Piledriver etc weren't great sellers, especially with gamers. MindFactory too, they also almost went out of business, so tbh they're not exactly a great source to show the overall buying habits of people.
Steam imo is the best source. Is it perfect? Absolutely not as we saw last month when Chinese New Years users flood the platform, but when people are surveyed normally outside of these Holidays, it shows what people are actually using to play games and that's about the best you can get to actual buying habits of gamers. If there was this flood of 9070 XTs for gamers as HWUnboxed claims, they'd show up in the survey, the RX 480 showed up just fine, as did the 5700 XT and many other AMD cards in the past. Why has this 9070 XT flood never materialised? AMD fans claimed that it was due to incorrect reporting, but that was fixed by Valve months ago., even confirmed by Radeon fans. The fact of the matter is, it makes sense that when JPR shows the lowest shipments for AIB cards from AMD that they also show low results in the Steam HW Survey, just tells you that this 9070 XT flood probably isn't gamers, but probably cheap or hobbyist AI farms looking to get bang for their buck. Or the retailers HWUnboxed has spoken to heavily favor AMD.
Not to mention any retailer sales data probably just ignores a huge segment of people buying computer stuff which is Prebuilt PCs, where NVIDIA absolutely dominates Radeon.
Even the other day HWUnboxed tried to use the Amazon Best Sellers page to debunk everything, here is a great example of why the "Best Sellers page" is wrong. Right now as of writing, the 9070XT Swift is #4 on the Best Sellers, if you click on the product page, it shows 200+ bought in the past month. If you then select something lower like the #6 RTX 5070 Windforce it says on the page 500+ bought in the past month. So how is #6 outselling #3 on the "Best Sellers" page? Let's try this GPU sag bracket, a far cheaper item which shouldn't really show on the Best Sellers page for GPUs, but it's #8 on the list and bam, it's sold 1000+ units in the past month according to it's product page. Either the best sellers is a bullshit page and doesn't reflect actual sales. Or it's influenced by ads or the ability to buy promotions to push it higher in the list. Either way it doesn't reflect sales numbers, just try it yourself if you guys don't believe me.
All the data points to this 9070 XT beating NVIDIA in sales as a total nothingburger and all the data shows the 5070 Ti dominating it in reality. JPR and Steam are plugged in and some friendly AMD retailers aren't.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
5070ti gaining share although its getting outsold by 9070xt by upto 80% and its yet to show up. "Nvidia is obviously bribing small company valve"
User-NetOfInter@reddit
Could the 9070xt be used for something else other than gaming thats causing this?
Honest question, I don’t know
Zarmazarma@reddit
Not really? You could use it for anything else you'd use a 16GB card for, but it's not the preferable platform for AI work. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't be represented in the Steam survey if it was genuinely being sold in large quantities. It's a gaming card first and foremost. It's why Steve's recent video suggesting it's outselling 5070ti 4:1 is just... Delusional.
LiliaBlossom@reddit
I have one and I‘m legit surprised my old 1080Ti refuses to drop out of the list, while a GPU that constantly gets recommended, is available to a good price compared to 5070Ti in EU market doesn‘t show up. Dumbstruck the non XT variety does tho, bcs why buy it? The XT is only marginally more expensive but way more powerful… Must be a huge amount of laptops, old PCs in cafes, and prebuilts skewing it tbh. Because I think the relatively small DIY market goes for the 9070XT a lot more recently.
pdp10@reddit
Lower power consumption, cheaper, not out of stock.
LiliaBlossom@reddit
where is the 9070XT out of stock? Ok its cheaper, sure, and if you‘re stuck with an older PSU it makes sense to buy it I guess…
TrippleDamage@reddit
It's also bugged, my 9070xt reported as integrated graphics when I got the survey.
LiliaBlossom@reddit
ohh interesting - and I haven’t even gotten the survey yet
MemphisBass@reddit
Well of course, most PC sales are prebuilts and laptops.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
AMD Radeon simply isn't producing a lot of GPUs for DiY and especially prebuilt which is nearly non-existent for them, especially when compared to Nvidia they are likely only producing a fraction or not even a fraction of what Nvidia is totally producing for GeForce RTX GPUs even when factoring Nvidia is cutting off some production for their GPUs as well.
AMD Radeon's main priority is likely the console market and AMD as a whole's priority is CPU and Data Center GPUs.
dstanton@reddit
Yep. If nvidia/amd gpus present in consoles were factored in, it'd look A LOT different. Most of AMDs non-enterprise gpu fab capacity goes into consoles.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
How are consoles relevant to gaming on PC? Might as well factor in smart phones too right? Will have some shit tier GPU dominate the charts then.
dstanton@reddit
That was never the point. The point was capturing where AMD is directing it's resources, which is not consumer PC gpus.
996forever@reddit
Neither is nvidia’s which is datacentre gpus.
dstanton@reddit
We're not talking about enterprise at all.... We're talking about gaming.
996forever@reddit
We’re talking specifically about steam and you were the first to bring up something else
dstanton@reddit
I literally responded to a comment mentioning consoles... Go read
996forever@reddit
It was talking about pc gpus or everything outside of it. Your specific “not pc dGPU but still gaming” is not a valid category here.
Aecnoril@reddit
In my area they sell 80% more 9070xts than 5070tis. The only reason these statistics turn out like this is because Asian and also European pc cafes have multiple users log into the same system prompting new hardware surveys for the same system.
996forever@reddit
There is not a single place on earth where this is the case factoring in the REAL volume in PC aka prebuilts and laptops.
Latitude-dimension@reddit
GPU sales for DIY are currently stagnant. Even if the 9700XT is selling 80% more, it's not shifting a lot of units. They could be selling 18 9700XTs a month and only 10 5070Tis. HUB have backed this up with retailers they have contact with.
AMD is nowhere in pre-built or laptops. That's another reason for the Nvidia cards going up. One of the best bang for the buck ways to get RAM atm is prebuilts from places like Costco, all with Nvidia cards.
The Internet cafe issue only really occurs every February in China. Outside of that, it's not a big enough volume to move the needle. I know everyone wants AMD to do well in GPU, but the reality is they dont produce or sell the volume in the various ways that Nvidia does.
Darksider123@reddit
Because you weren't deepthroating nvidia. This sub sucks now
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
Toilet paper
railven@reddit
It's almost like the cosmos keep slapping HUB in the face. The moment they open their mouth the industry produces data that not only contradicts them but continues to shred their credibility.
Clearly the Nvidia App is completing the Steam Survey without user input consent! /s
Chronia82@reddit
I think its more a type of 'different metrics', afaik HuB looks at certain retailers in EU (Mindfactory) and US (Amazon) and then informs at some Australian retailers. And it can very well be true that in those spots the 9070XT atm sells out the 5070Ti. We know its the case at MF, and i'm hearing the same thing from Webshops in the Netherlands for example.
However, when looking at market share, or global install base as the Steam Survey looks at, is a whole different thing. From what i understand Asia is heavily Nvidia favored for example, but also looking at a few retailers to see what they sell in DiY does not cover the whole global retail figures for DiY, let alone that they cover the OEM / Prebuild markets where Nvidia is much larger than the rest.
In that regard i can deffo see a scenario where AMD currently outsells the 5070Ti the RX9070XT in certain markets that favor AMD (Germany) or certain retailers in the DiY niche, but where overall sales (and thus Market share and Install base) globally heavily favor Nvidia.
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
Anyone instantly lose credibility if they refer to mindfactory data
Plenty_Demand8904@reddit
their recommendations also aged like milk quiet often.
red286@reddit
5070 Ti isn't EOL. ASUS stopped producing them for a couple of months (Jan/Feb) due to supply chain issues with the RAM.
Framed-Photo@reddit
Just goes to show that the diy market is not all there is.
r_a_genius@reddit
You kid but I wouldn't be surprised to see that claim next lol
Recktion@reddit
Last month majority of users were Chinese and now almost half of those users are not in the survey. What happened?
Any change in steam survey is basically completely because of the massive change in Chinese users. No one should think the % changes in other areas mean anything.
Kyrond@reddit
Chinese New Year happened previous month.
Celtic_Guardian_Fan@reddit
Why would that make them not in the survey this month?
red286@reddit
A lot of people in China work ridiculously long hours, but during New Year, they get a full week off work.
It's like asking why there's more college-age kids online during spring break.
eetsu@reddit
I think the better comparison is probably Christmas break in the West. I'm sure while people visit and spend time with family (I believe the same case with CNY) people have way more time during the Christmas break period to play video games, etc. Chinese New Year seems to be a similar big deal to me, but for China instead of the west.
yabucek@reddit
The stand-out is them being in the survey in February, not them missing in March. Most likely due to the increased amount of Chinese people having free time to spend on gaming.
jocnews@reddit
The important part is that they game in internet cafes and every user is counted as a new PC by Steam survey. Otherwise China would not skew results like this, of course.
Zarmazarma@reddit
Because the numbers are for the month the survey was taken in, and polling happens when users log into Steam. So if many more Chinese users logged into Steam on their time off in February, but less when they're busy in March, the number of Chinese users participating in the server drops significantly.
CrzyJek@reddit
This is why the steam survey is a horrible metric and I'll die on that hill.
There is no control group. There is no consistency between samples. You can maybe extrapolate macro trends from the large dataset over time...but even that is highly contingent on other external factors...financial or economic (hell, even geopolitical) at or around the time of sampling.
Mllns@reddit
So february is really the month of the year where the survey gets crazy
CheesyRamen66@reddit
Yup, Chinese New Year means tons of logins from different accounts at internet cafes, the language numbers should support it.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
And that doesn't count because Chinese people aren't real people? Their money isn't real and they don't influence the market?
JunosArmpits@reddit
If those accounts are temporary and only show up one month per year then they are worth 1/12th of a "real" account
Pimpmuckl@reddit
No they are "worth" even less since they over-sample the single machine they run on.
This happened a lot during the esports tournament I worked at:
We get rental machines (mostly from Intel's Rental Depot) and if we used accounts and swapped those around for shift switches or for whatever reason, we often got the hardware survey pickup again.
No clue if Valve dedupes via a fingerprint but at least the client easily overcounted these machines over and over again.
Especially since the very same machines would get wiped and then used by the next renter again which, given those were gaming focused, probably installed Steam again.
vanisonsteak@reddit
What makes this a problem? Steam hardware survey collects data for game developers, it is not a hardware sale survey. It doesn't matter at all if multiple users can buy games from same machine. Chinese new year data is extremely useful when publishing games with chinese localization. They spend more in february just like xmas sales on usa.
3MU6quo0pC7du5YPBGBI@reddit
If those accounts buy games then I assume they are worth the same as any other account for Valve's purposes.
Their hardware survey gives hints at market share for hardware but I suspect they actually use it to determine what their playerbase uses, which although correlated is not the same thing.
Whether you have 100 people with the same hardware configuration or 100 people taking turns using the same PC doesn't really make a difference when it comes to determining what hardware your users actually play games on.
Earthborn92@reddit
No, it means it's an anamolous result and can't be used to extrapolate hardware install base. Which is what most people see the Steam Survey as a proxy for.
Of course, what the survey actually measures is what Steam users use what hardware, which is different from pure install base. For this spike in Chinese users, it is measuring accurately what most people interpret incorrectly.
Zarmazarma@reddit
When did he say that lol. He explained why every February there are larger jumps in install rates of certain cards. He literally said nothing implying these numbers shouldn't count or that Chinese users are somehow less valuable.
What it does show is that there is a disproportionate number of Chinese log ins in February, and less so in the rest of the year. Which might say something important for marketing or business strategy (like, I don't know, maybe you should have a Lunar New Years sale in February when many Chinese players are logging in), but in no way did the guy you are replying to make any sort of disparaging comment about Chinese players. Are you okay?
taxiscooter@reddit
My man stated this in the most neutral way possible. Everyone who has ever worked on a product or service with significant reach has seen something like this. I once got very familiar with Indian and international cricket fixtures because my product would go wild on match days. Does that mean it should influence long term market share analysis? No, it's a statistical outlier. Using data on those days would be equivalent to standing outside the cricket stadium, counting phone models, and saying that that's representative of the worldwide phone market share. But does that mean those people don't exist? No. We're just saying that the timing and setting distorts the statistics.
reticulate@reddit
It's an ongoing sampling issue with the survey, where it tends to dramatically over-represent Chinese users for one month during Lunar New Year (and as a result, the internet cafe hardware they're using).
Valve has to be aware they just don't seem to care enough to fix it.
No_Percentage_2@reddit
Yes.
MITBryceYoung@reddit
Yes everyone knows this every year but people freak out despite the 100s of comments explaining it lol.
jocnews@reddit
It's more like 5 comments explaining it that get burried and 100 comments going OMG CRAZY RESULT, THIS IS LEGIT AND SHOWS EVERYTHING dominating the top of the comment section with the highest upvote scores...
Stache-@reddit
Remember those numbers only show users who took part in the survey.
Diapolo10@reddit
It's a pity they don't show data for FreeBSD. I'd appreciate it.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
Funny to see RTX 5070 Ti gaining some marketshare here when HUB just yesterday told me that Nvidia is cutting the production of it and artificially limiting it and that 9070 XT will be a lot more available to buy which once again nowhere to be seen here..
KARMAAACS@reddit
Just ignore them, they cited MindFactory data the other day which is heavily AMD biased due to being in Germany (Germany has great AMD distributors). Even big AMD fans like NotAnAppleFan on YT who believed for a while that MindFactory sales meant AMD was selling much better, has seen the light and understands that now MindFactory numbers are BS. For so long, I'm pretty sure MindFactory was showing great sales for Bulldozer too, so take that for what you will about Mindfactory sales data, it's pretty much confirmed that Bulldozer, Piledriver etc weren't great sellers, especially with gamers. MindFactory too, they also almost went out of business, so tbh they're not exactly a great source to show the overall buying habits of people.
Steam imo is the best source. Is it perfect? Absolutely not as we saw last month when Chinese New Years users flood the platform, but when people are surveyed normally outside of these Holidays, it shows what people are actually using to play games and that's about the best you can get to actual buying habits of gamers. If there was this flood of 9070 XTs for gamers as HWUnboxed claims, they'd show up in the survey, the RX 480 showed up just fine, as did the 5700 XT and many other AMD cards in the past. Why has this 9070 XT flood never materialised? AMD fans claimed that it was due to incorrect reporting, but that was fixed by Valve months ago., even confirmed by Radeon fans. The fact of the matter is, it makes sense that when JPR shows the lowest shipments for AIB cards from AMD that they also show low results in the Steam HW Survey, just tells you that this 9070 XT flood probably isn't gamers, but probably cheap or hobbyist AI farms looking to get bang for their buck. Or the retailers HWUnboxed has spoken to heavily favor AMD.
Not to mention any retailer sales data probably just ignores a huge segment of people buying computer stuff which is Prebuilt PCs, where NVIDIA absolutely dominates Radeon.
Even the other day HWUnboxed tried to use the Amazon Best Sellers page to debunk everything, here is a great example of why the "Best Sellers page" is wrong. Right now as of writing, the 9070XT Swift is #4 on the Best Sellers, if you click on the product page, it shows 200+ bought in the past month. If you then select something lower like the #6 RTX 5070 Windforce it says on the page 500+ bought in the past month. So how is #6 outselling #3 on the "Best Sellers" page? Let's try this Uyubao GPU support bracket, a far cheaper item which shouldn't really show on the Best Sellers page for GPUs because it isn't one, but it's #8 on the list, so let's click on the product page and bam, it's sold 1000+ units in the past month according to its product page. Either the best sellers is a bullshit page and doesn't reflect actual sales. Or it's influenced by ads or the ability to buy promotions to push it higher in the list. Either way it doesn't reflect sales numbers, just try it yourself if you guys don't believe me.
All the data points to this 9070 XT beating NVIDIA in sales as a total nothingburger and all the data shows the 5070 Ti dominating it in reality. JPR and Steam are plugged in and some friendly AMD retailers aren't. Don't just blindly believe some guys with a big YT channel, do your own research, come to your own conclusion.
Tzhaa@reddit
At this point I have to assume the reason HUB is stubbornly dying on this hill is because of two reasons. One, they have now made it a point that they believe they’re right here multiple times and are probably just afraid of saying everything they claimed was wrong, when it’s their jobs to know this stuff and report it.
Two, I think they’re kinda audience captured by more AMD leaning fans and don’t wanna piss off their viewers. They do occasionally attack AMD, but it’s often mild criticism at best. It honestly feels like they’re afraid to admit the 9070XT isn’t doing as great as they claimed to their rabid viewer base.
Can’t think of anything else that makes sense or why they would ignore much more reliable sources of data like the Steam Survey.
railven@reddit
Hubris seems to be their greatest weakness. They doubled down on their recommendation of 5700 XT over 2060 Super, even with hindsight in full affect.
Clearly their audience agrees with them. It's crazy seeing so many surprise pickahu faces and yet they still view HUB as credible.
Seems I'll never get to see GN's expose on HUB, so much for holding their own to higher standards.
KARMAAACS@reddit
That's true, God I forgot about those recommendations. Imagine buying a 5700 XT over an RTX 2070 or 2060 Super, you basically bought the equivalent of a ray-tracingless paper weight in 2026. I kind of feel sad about the people who relied on that recommendation because they got screwed pretty hard in hindsight. It's so bad that KitGuru had to bring in a 6800 XT as a ringer for their 5700 XT in 2025 video for the ray tracing part of the video :/.
I mean their review numbers are solid usually, they do good benchmarks and get valid results, but it's their editorial conclusions that basically question their credibility in my eyes.
GN has their own problems, not with benchmarking, but with the direction of their videos and news topics.
Plenty_Demand8904@reddit
"they do good benchmarks" no, they still treat RT as an afterthought.
Hayden247@reddit
As an Australian I'll add a 3rd point.
Bias to our local market having better Radeon pricing vs GeForce compared to Global.
See HUB are Australian, any regular viewer would know that. Well, over here in Australia 9070 XTs right now can be found as low as 880AUD while 5070 TIs are all the way up at 1300AUD which makes for an utterly insane price gap. 5070s are 900AUD and 9070 is 800AUD. When HUB talks about what the retailers they have contact with who claim Radeon sells well... that's going to be our LOCAL AUSTRALIAN retailers where indeed Radeon is priced really aggressively vs what you'd find in America or Europe. We are pretty much the MOST favourable region to choose Radeon over GeForce in cost per frame when yeah you have the 5070 Ti being like 50% more expensive than the 9070 XT thanks to a 450AUD price gap. And yeah 9070 is still a bit cheaper than the 5070. MSRPs day 1 where like also 1110AUD 5070, 1510AUD 5070 Ti while 9070 XT was like 1130AUD and 9070 was 1050AUD, Nvidia has a worse price premium here in their currency conversions.
Meanwhile 9060 XT 8GBs are below 500AUD and 16GB sit around 550AUD, 5060 Ti 16GBs however are 700AUD.
So yeah HUB is going to have an Australian market bias towards pro Radeon numbers because Radeon is just priced better here vs the shit Nvidia charges us.
KARMAAACS@reddit
As a fellow Aussie, to me having used both AMD and NVIDIA, having access to DLSS is simply worth at least $150 AUD more imo. If games are going to be so poorly optimised that you're forced to use upscaling and frame gen, at least then you should buy the card with the best image quality and frame generation features.
Then add on CUDA, better Blender and Premier/Photoshop performance, NVIDIA Broadcast, better video encoder for streaming and recording, all the benefits stack up to you getting what you pay for when you buy NVIDIA. With AMD you're simply paying less for less features and quality. I don't think it's worth saving $200-$300 AUD (depending on what tier of card you're buying) which is basically equivalent to monopoly money these days, I mean what is $200-300 AUD when a drum of Olive Oil is $40-50 at Woolies or Coles???
Zarmazarma@reddit
I will say that I don't doubt Mindfactory has those sales numbers. It's just that they're like... the AMD mecca in the most AMD positive region in the world, and we have years of data with them showing 50%+ of their sales being AMD cards, and clearly that has not born out in a representative way. Mindfactory sells a lot of AMD cards, that's not a conspiracy. But like... going to them specifically for sales figures and expecting them to be representative is just bizarre. Even for in store box sales.
Like, here's AMD outselling Nvidia in 2024.
Here's them outselling Nvidia in 2022.
Here's the mat 42% market share in 2020
Wow! You'd think with the last 6 years of AMD selling competitively with Nvidia, or outselling them 4:1, they'd have caught up by now!
Like really, I'd love to know how Steve can pretend the 9070xt is outselling the 5070ti with a straight face despite all the evidence to the contrary, using only data from a store HE KNOWS from the past YEARS OF REPORTING THAT HE DID HIMSELF is over-representative of AMD sales...
shroombablol@reddit
AMD outselling nvidia in a lot of places is totally possible, but at the end of the day nvidia is still providing GPUs to most pre-built system builders on this planet. and I bet the number of people buying a pre-built system absolutely dwarfs the number of people that are building their own PC.
KARMAAACS@reddit
Yep, I never claimed it what some sort of conspiracy or anything. They are simply working with AMD's great distributors in Germany to serve their very AMD friendly customer base. That's not a bad thing, but it shows they're not representative of the overall market. Not to mention they have some exclusive AMD products like the 7600X3D and such and they're one of the few retailers in Europe to have that type of SKU. Of course their AMD numbers will be inflated versus Intel or NVIDIA because they simply offer products you can't find anywhere else in Germany or Europe. So yeah their AMD CPU and GPU numbers will look good as a result of that. If you had a great value CPU like the 7600X3D or a good value GPU like the RX 7900 GRE of course the numbers for AMD or Radeon sales will look better for them over their competition, they're attracting a certain market clientele.
Yep, for years we've endured "Radeon is sold out and NVIDIA is in stock, thus people are buying AMD" falsities, simply put, NVIDIA overproduce and AMD underproduce and as a result AMD appear to be sold out all the time, that doesn't mean they're selling as many overall units as NVIDIA. If NVIDIA makes 10,000 cards and AMD makes 500, who cares if AMD sells out of all 500, NVIDIA might have sold 4,000 cards in that same period of time. Who's really selling more then?
Either way like you said, for years AMD's been supposedly so high in market share, always supposedly catching up or outselling NVIDIA and yet they've converted barely anyone in reality. And in fact they've basically alienated all their loyal customers by being so cheap, inferior or holding back features for older customers, especially with FSR4, just go to r/Radeon it's a bunch of anger posts about FSR4 and even the AMD YT Channel is full of comments of people asking for RDNA4 and being angry with Radeon for holding it back from older gen cards.
He did also use Amazon best sellers list as I said above and his own local sources via confidential conversation with retailer sources. I don't think he based his conclusion on one source, he clearly used multiple. It's just the sources he has either have an AMD bias or are simply incorrectly used (like the Amazon best sellers list for reasons I mentioned in my prior post). Either way, the fact he is adamant about Radeon 9070 XT's outselling 5070 Ti's just doesn't show in unbiased sources like Steam Hardware Survey (Valve is a literal AMD hardware partner, I doubt they would seriously not understand AMD hardware and report it correctly on purpose) or JPR shipment data (which is just shipments, but that shows that the demand is simply there for NVIDIA product and not for AMD).
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Same old tired arguments wheeled out every survey, don't you get tired of being contrarian all of the time?
WHY_DO_I_SHOUT@reddit
That, and the fact Steam measures the installed base instead of sales. Steam's numbers react very slowly to changes in sales.
Zarmazarma@reddit
Every Nvidia series I can remember appeared in the chart the month after release. I.e, even the 5080 with terrible first month supply appeared in the march survey after releasing January 30th.
SoTOP@reddit
Using January to March, and ignoring February data with Chinese cybercafes which you are conveniently using, 5070Ti when from 1.5% to 1.55% or +0.05% in two months, while less popular 5080 went from 1.25% to 1.34% or +0.09%. In percentage increases 5070Ti is up 3.3% while 5080 gained 7.2%.
jocnews@reddit
This, ignore all february data, they will be off everywhere.
Only compare the current data with the ones from january (before the outlier month), it's pretty easy to se on the graphs.
Saneless@reddit
One month of things shifting is hardly going to be noticeable amongst 13 months of established data though
Glassofmilk1@reddit
While I agree with you overall, you're better off ignoring the numbers from last month because some of the swings are really stupidly high.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Because Chinese people aren't real people? The money they spend isn't real?
SoTOP@reddit
Chinese cybercafes are indeed not people.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
Oh, that one was totally normal and even i called it out last month as well, i expected to see it get corrected this month, hence the reason i found the 5070 Ti gaining more marketshare more interesting to comment about, especially with yesterday's HUB's video content that i thought was april fools in mind.
techraito@reddit
I kept telling people they're good cards, but there was a lot of initial hate, especially for the 5070 not being a 4090. Granted, that's nvidia's dumb marketing, but it inadvertently left 5070s to be the only GPUs in stock for a while until people really started wanting them.
MITBryceYoung@reddit
You have to remember that the price hikes happened in around late jan and a hoard of people went out to get the 5070 ti/ 5080 in response to the anticipated hikes. This trend was masked by the Lunar New Years affecting the feb data but it's absolutely true that supplies are very constrained today and prices are sky high.
SourceScope@reddit
Linux over 5.3% now
It was 2% just a couple of years ago
Nice to see
psi-storm@reddit
A quarter of those are SteamOS Holo, so mostly their steam decks.
pythonic_dude@reddit
Mostly? Remove the steamdecks and there's still 4% of steam users who have desktop (or laptop…) linux. While the deck was paramount to push the things where they are now, most linux gamers don't have one.
psi-storm@reddit
I meant those 25% are mostly steam decks. There is also that Lenovo handheld with it and a few people installed steamos on their desktop PC.
pythonic_dude@reddit
I've no idea, I counted by looking at gpu descriptor since the deck has a unique one (either amd 405 or amd vangogh in steam survey).
PM_ME_UR_TOSTADAS@reddit
It's still a lot and may drive developer decision to have native Linux support.
ZekeSulastin@reddit
Why bother with native Linux support when Proton is a single target that’s right there? (which IIRC was a common argument against, back in the day)
bestanonever@reddit
It was 0.8 to 1% when I started reading about the Steam Survey!
It is gaining momentum, for sure. Hope it keeps up and Windows gets some real competition, for once.
StradlatersFirstName@reddit
in before "it probably means nothing and Enterprise customers won't stop buying Windows and Office."
But in reality this is a significant increase and is a good thing in the long run.
Zarmazarma@reddit
I'm not sure Enterprise users are highly represented in the Steam hardware survey lol. It does show that Steam Deck and Proton have been successful at making Linux more appealing for gamers, though.
StradlatersFirstName@reddit
Whenever a discussion of Linux OS adoption comes up, someone always says business will never ditch Windows so Linux adoption is essentially meaningless. I think this is a narrow perspective
Zarmazarma@reddit
Fair enough, I agree.
Darksider123@reddit
Time for the monthly circlejerk thread
ProZoid_10@reddit
Those ryzen cirlejerkers almost reaching 50%
oguzhan377@reddit
This kind of different make no sense ...
dantemp@reddit
You know, the change percentage at the end is probably useless. See the numbers for 4090.
There's absolutely no way the ownership of the card dropped by half in a month and then immediately recovered, it's just margin of error shit. And most number have a difference between them within margin of error. The only thing that are clear from this survey is that x060 cards sell the most as the cheapest.
r_a_genius@reddit
Lunar new year skewed the data every February. That is not the reason to ignore such a large amount of data.
dantemp@reddit
How does that work?
Also you know margin of error is a thing and most of the differences are within it, right?
PoelieV3@reddit
I never understand these. I know a decent amount of people with amd and I feel they are misrepresented in these surveys. The 9070s were really a decent succes. I still believe that Nvidia is miles ahead but that much ? Is there data from stores like Newegg or alternate?
SireEvalish@reddit
Anecdotes are not data.
PoelieV3@reddit
Of course, but data is not the absolute truth. The context of how many people participate in the survey and from which region these are should at least help with explaining these massive changes in numbers. No way that 6% of 5070 just magically disappeared from the earth.
PoelieV3@reddit
All downvotes. Come with arguments people. Where is the 6 percent?
major_mager@reddit
Unless Valve starts listing the sample size, it's monthly survey data is largely meaningless. What prevents them from actually showing data for all monthly active users instead of remaining tight lipped about how many PCs were 'surveyed'? They easily can, but they don't share that- something that would be actually useful to developers.
Many_Career_9035@reddit
And you think Valve has some reason to under represent their own partner AMD?
Despite that AMD and.Nvidia's financial filings directionally match this and have for years?
major_mager@reddit
I did not mention AMD at all, just pointed out the obvious flaws of Valve's opaque survey. It is flawed, non-transparent with no statistical data provided to the viewer. I'm not the first person to say this either, people have been saying this through the years, yet the monthly charade continues.
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
You're not the first because its just AMD fanboys saying this
tmchn@reddit
The DIY enthusiasts are a small percentage of the overall PC market
most people buy a prebuilt that usually has a 5060 or 5070 and call it a day
PoelieV3@reddit
There are many option for prebuilt 9070(xt) available here. I do think that fixed desktops are very minor too. And of course Nvidia would still be favoured there. But I don't think in west europe that you sell 100 nvidia prebuild per 1 amd prebuild. Anyways, I expected just a lot more laptops with mobile versions of gpu in the top in general. I just wonder sometimes you get a request from steam to participate and sometimes you do not. And if these candidates are selected from a pool of users who heavily interact with Steam. Thus creating a more consensus that people with proper gaming setups are favoured which makes the integrated graphics not so well represented.
I'm just saying that I doubt the ratio of this hardware distribution when it comes actual sales of these parts.
railven@reddit
Then look at company financials and unit shipments.
There is a plethora of data you can scrutinize that supports Steam Survey numbers.
PoelieV3@reddit
Can you share some ? Didn't immediately find something with a quick search except stuff like https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-50-accumulated-56-of-gpu-sales-in-australia-radeon-rx-9000-at-44#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAnd%20the%209070%20versus%205070,if%20current%20rumors%20are%20accurate.
But not sure if to take these numbers serious.
railven@reddit
Sure:
Nvidia: https://investor.nvidia.com/financial-info/financial-reports/default.aspx
AMD: https://ir.amd.com/financial-information/financial-results
Note: NV counts their quarters
For shipment numbers, since neither company openly states how many of what they ship, you can only really look at volume, so JPR will be a good source for that, but since a lot of it is behind a paywall, you'll have to rely on articles based on the data or snippets from JPR themselves, such as these recent articles showing shipping numbers:
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-secures-94-of-aib-gpu-market
AMD may be moving more units in DIY for some regions, but based on sheer volume it's practically impossible for AMD to overtake NV in any metric without specific qualifiers.
And that's how you get a lopsided Steam Survey.
bhop_monsterjam@reddit
As a happy 9070xt owner, it's a very small chance that this many months later there would still be some reporting issues as some people suggest
PoelieV3@reddit
Btw how I'm getting downvoted so heavily when other replies stated the same but then with upvotes?
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
You can't judge whats happening in the world by what your tiny bubble of acquaintances are doing, you group of friends are always massively biased.
PoelieV3@reddit
Of course, I know. I did not state my reality is how the survey should look like. I'm just stating that these stats feel like they're influenced because you can see already these massive percentage changes like some people pointed out that internet cafés might affect these things a lot.
Zarmazarma@reddit
Yeah, the fact of the matter is just that Nvidia is greatly outselling AMD, and a lot of people are upset with that. The Steam Hardware Survey is easily the most representative and widely available data we have for GPU install base. Anyone trying to convince you they're biased is smoking crack.
PoelieV3@reddit
I know steam is supposed the best survey available. But I just can't wrap around the fact that some things don't feel logical. For example it should have a massive amount of integrated graphics because these things sell by far the most of any prebuilt device. But supposedly these people are not strong active steam users so maybe they don't often submit the steam hardware survey.
The 9070(xt) were solid 100-200 euro cheaper in europe and sold quite well supposedly.
In the stat there are more 5080 than 5060 laptop versions.
The 5070 has a decrease of 6.55% this time
And many more odd stats
All of these things just doesn't sound as believable and there has the be some bias. Would be helpful if there were some raw stats from the suppliers themselves.
Aecnoril@reddit
Internet cafes and Asian holidays have a great effect on Nvidia representation going up and down
WaterWeedDuneHair69@reddit
Why is the steam survey random. If steam has all my hardware specs, why can’t they just pull everyone’s info and give accurate, comprehensive data????
cordell507@reddit
A 1% poll is almost statistically identical to a 100% when the sample size is this large. There’s just not a reason to do any more.
Aecnoril@reddit
Sadly no. The hardware survey runs for a limited time window; this means that internet cafes where the device will generally be used 24/7 are overrepresented. They can also in some cases do the same survey multiple times for one device. Due to sponsoring, most hardware cafes run Nvidia. This effect is most noticeable when you look at the pretty big spikes in Nvidia GPUs during major Asian holidays
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
Those internet cafes, represent part of the audience. Especially if as you allege, they ALWAYS affect the hardware survey every single month.
Zarmazarma@reddit
Privacy/legal compliance is the reason it's opt-in. Random sampling is just more efficient than polling the entire user base to get a statistically relevant result. People who don't understand stats will argue until they're blue in the face about that, but it's not a conspiracy.
996forever@reddit
Intel/AMD cpu at 55/45 split now, wow
I wonder if intel will claw back grounds in 2026 because of the laptop cpu situation.
o_oli@reddit
Intels new desktop chips are actually pretty good value for money vs AMD right now so they should gain ground there, although not as much as they would do without the insane RAM prices putting people off upgrading.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Linux 5.33%, 10% doable in next 5 years?
LeadIVTriNitride@reddit
It’s kind of funny because I just installed Linux 2 weeks ago. Arch/CachyOS. I bounced off really bad against Linux Mint around 2021-2022 on a crappy computer but this time I made it work after building a new PC and having a willingness to try something new against windows even if it was a bit challenging.
And I think Linux itself just makes me curious, I guess. A part of is troubleshooting but a lot has worked with a few weeks of research beforehand and having two drives to separate windows and Linux on. A lot of games in the CPU and framepacing department have improved, even if number FPS hardly changes.
There’s some that I miss on windows to the point that I will never delete my windows partition, but Linux feels fun as a daily driver when I don’t “need” to use windows. Games, discord, and the like work just as I intended to the point that I don’t want to switch to windows to play something, I’ll just find a game working on Linux instead.
Still tons of work from (my POV) Nvidia and getting “the best” out of the box. Launch commands on Steam were for buggy DX9 games, they shouldn’t be mandatory for every game I want to play with the best proton settings.
From-UoM@reddit
It doesn't seem to add up.
The top 6 listed makes on 0.95% and 6th is 0.06
So you would need 73 distros of 0.06% to reach 5.33%
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
I don't know how or why exactly they're listed the way they are.
Change the displayed results from "Combined" to "Linux Only." Steam OS Holo 64-bit is a full quarter of the Linux systems surveyed. In comparison, Arch Linux 64-bit, the top result under "Combined" with 0.34%, is under 9% in Linux.
So it certainly seems an issue of how Steam is displaying the results.
From-UoM@reddit
Yeah. It doesn't add up at all.
pythonic_dude@reddit
Neither OS adds up because valve arbitrarily skips some entries down on the list. It's just that win and mac don't have a billion distros so they don't have a "other" entry amounting to 24% of all installs for that OS. Just switch from all 3 OSs combined and select only linux to see the better breakdown that actually adds up.
Kryohi@reddit
There are probably many more even just among the less obscure ones, so I don't find it strange at all.
Lukeforce123@reddit
Watch it drop to 3% next month
WaterWeedDuneHair69@reddit
Fingers crossed. Been using Linux for 5 months and been pretty good. Plus it’s nice to have a fast, stable OS.
Penderyn@reddit
I have never used it, ever, but installed Cachy OS and Linux + agentic AI is a game changer.
Zarmazarma@reddit
Yeah. This is actually something that I think the average user doesn't realize about Terminal/CLI based AI, which is that they can basically eliminate any sort of knowledge requirement to use a computer. Want to set up Transmission on your Lubuntu seed box and SSH into it from your windows PC? Ask the AI, it'll have the whole thing set up for you in 10 minutes. Basically 0s the knowledge requirements for using a computer... though, since you have to install it in a CLI, and the average user doesn't even know what that means, it is an awkward spot where it can make a fairly knowledge user a power-user, but someone who's just into games and not software development probably doesn't even know it exists.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Its steam on Android phones, not the win everyone thinks it is.
DuranteA@reddit
I'm always impressed by people who can so confidently make up and state complete bullshit. You might a bright future ahead of you as an LLM.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
I'm sorry, what?
tmchn@reddit
Is steamOs counted as linux?
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
Yes of course.
inyue@reddit
Absolutely not.
Z3r0sama2017@reddit
Yep. 10% by the EoY. This is the YEAR OF LINUX baby!
inyue@reddit
RemindMe! 5 Years
Vb_33@reddit
5% is insane for Linux. I remember when it was below 1%.
dztruthseek@reddit
So many low-budget computers.
psi-storm@reddit
The 9070 cards are not correctly recognized. There is no way that the 6750XT has a higher market share than the new cards. That was only sold for half a year before people bought the 7700XT instead.
imKaku@reddit
6750 xt was massively overproduced due to GPU shortage during covid. They were dumped hard in price, so a lot of budget gamers bought them.
They went as low as half the price of 9070 xt MSRP. So yes, they were great.
jenny_905@reddit
Techtubers in meltdown
Cockfryer@reddit
Redditors crying
tmvr@reddit
It still seems broken to me, the usual pattern is that the stats get boirked then next month it goes back to what it was before with minimal differences. That's not what we see here, both the positive and negative show large differences compared to the january numbers.
hackenclaw@reddit
5060 laptop continue to slay.