I’m an independent — I carry no water for either major party. And call me old fashioned, but I think protests should clearly state a policy they want to be enacted.
Avoiding that, and instead pushing a “We just hate this guy” message, relegates the whole thing to an inherently emotional appeal, and reduces it to something designed to make the already stridently opposed base feel good. This is more like group therapy than good politics.
Come to me with a policy argument, and I’ll listen — not this performative emotionalism. I’d respond the same way to a vague right wing emotional protest, through their prism… like if they were to have held a “No Senility” protest during Biden.
To both parties: Protests should have the intellectual honesty to me what you’re for.
This protest isn’t for you then. Political organizations show up to these protests and recruit. These types of protests are for organizing. It’s more of an umbrella movement. There isn’t one specific policy that is encompassed by these protests. Not all politics is about passing very specific legislation.
I agree that it’s not for me — but I’m also saying I believe it’s bad politics.
It tells independents “We just against this guy, literally no matter what he does.” I think that brands the Democrats — to independents who would be the swing voters — as bereft of their own ideas.
It’s not “we dislike Trump for no particular reason” you just choose to interpret it that way because of your personal politics. There are a million things to dislike Trump for and many have to do with his increased authoritarianism hence the protest name. This brings out people who dislike Trump for his authoritarianism on issues like war (particularly without congressional approval), the increased budgets and power for groups like ICE and the military generally), his personal involvement in the consolidation of the media, etc. These protests bring all these people out (which there are many of if you look at polling for Trump) who then have the ability to further organize.
If you like Trump then this was never for you but that also makes you unlikely to be an actual independent at this point. He literally threatened a nuclear holocaust just two days ago and you’re still “keeping a policy tally for both parties” at this point? The political landscape has moved well beyond your political understanding of the country.
We’ll agree to disagree. You say the politics has moved “beyond” my “political understanding.”
I believe you’re in a group think information bubble in which you mostly discuss politics with those who agree with you, in a self-reinforcing vortex. To you, understanding means agreeing with you, and not agreeing with you means not understanding.
Algorithms have learned to only feed you one side’s perspective, and bifurcated media team alliance allows you to comfortably pick news sources that always tell you you’re right and will portray every Trump action as deplorable.
There’s a lot I don’t like about Trump. He’s been coarse, profane, childish and narcissistic on too many occasions to remember, while as President. But am I glad Maduro is out of power? Yes. An Israel - Gaza ceasefire exists (despite some isolated violence still)? Yes. Inflation is lower? Yes.
Let’s take one issue: Democrats love to forget how tariffs were largely a Democratic party policy until Trump, proposed as a policy to help middle class American factory workers. Bernie Sanders proposed tariffs. When I was a kid, old school Democrats like Dick Gephardt ran for President on a pro-tariff agenda. Both Obama and Biden initiated tariffs on multiple occasions.
But rather than a calm analytical analysis of the pros and cons of a policy, political rage has become something of a religion to an anti-Trump strident minority, who can only respond emotionally to Trump actions, while ironically, pushing away independent voters who do not connect with the rage.
Honestly, it is very clear that YOU are the one in a self-reinforcing vortex my man. I rarely watch or read any mainstream news. When I do, I open up a right wing and left wing news site and compare how they are reporting on the same thing.
Most of what I do is look at what Trump is actually saying and doing. The type of people he surrounds himself with and what they are doing/saying. I examine the very arguments he himself puts out to the masses. Anyone who does this alone would be out there protesting.
Unfortunately, as we already know, you are stuck in a vortex. Sad.
But do you ignore the Iranian Americans who were celebrating the fall of the Ayatollah? Ignore the Venezuelan Americans celebrating the removal of Maduro? Ignore that Trump won 65% of Hispanic men in Texas who wanted border enforcement? Ignore how Biden money-printing decimated middle class families with average inflation of 5% during his term (peaking at 9.1%) vs. 2.46% under Trump 47? Ignore the Israel-Gaza ceasefire?
Or ignore the Covid authoritarianism and free speech censorship attempts under Biden?
Again, I’m not a Trumper — and have proved that by literally voting both for him and against him. But I see both sides and can make both arguments (without insults, incidentally). You quite clearly can’t.
You’re very clearly not an independent/moderate based on what you’re saying in this comment alone. You posted in the Tim pool subreddit. Maybe you’ve been convinced by right wingers to believe you’re moderate but you’re just as manipulated as you claim others to be. I own my beliefs. You don’t seem to be able to do the same.
What does Iranian diaspora celebrating the death of the ayatollah have to do with whether it’s right or wrong? What does the Venezuelan diaspora celebrating the capturing of Maduro have to do with whether it’s right or wrong? Also you’re purposely only seeing those celebrating because it aligns with your politics and the political media you consume.
You believe “covid authoritarianism” is a concept based in reality. You believe Biden “money-printed” the middle class into extinction. You believe there is actually a working ceasefire in place in Gaza.
These are all right wing positions dictated to you by people like Tim pool whose job it is to convince political midwits that they’re actually moderate and not far right.
Covid authoritarianism is a right wing position dictated to me? No, it’s that Biden had career military professionals fired if they weren’t willing to have an experimental vaccine that didn’t stop transmission, approved only under “emergency authorization” by the government’s own admission, injected into their bodies… whether they were the demographic at risk of Covid or not. Then, they tried to push OSHA to require the same of private companies… this while taking campaign contributions from big pharma. Those are facts not in dispute by anyone.
That was authoritarian. “Be injected with a chemical we demand, made by companies whose checks were cashing, or we’ll end your career.” A direct 180 degree inversion of “My body; my choice” — allegedly a Democratic party principle.
Biden money printing is a “right wing” position? Then what exactly do you say suddenly created 9.1% inflation — the highest in 50 years, by far? The weather? Or was the inflation spike propaganda too? Have you looked at charts of the M2 money supply? Have you seen the numbers on Biden-era quantitative easing? Are the Federal Reserve charts right wing propaganda?
Yes, there’s a ceasefire currently in place in Gaza, despite the fact there have been isolated violent incidents, as I admitted. Still it’s nothing like what was happening before. Perhaps Google that. Or ask AI, if you prefer. I just did, to confirm nothing’s changed.
I have a more interesting question: Do you believe any Trump policies have been good? His policies’ effects on inflation, the border, Venezuela, re-sourcing manufacturing to America, cutting USAID, Doge, men in women’s sports… anything.
Or do you believe the defense of any Trump policy is by definition deluded, stupid, right wing propaganda?
Yes your entire diatribe about Covid is entirely informed by right wing political commentator. You just made that even more clear through your framing. Just own your right wing beliefs. No need to pretend to be a moderate.
You don’t even attempt to acknowledge the impact Covid had on international supply chains which were the number one cause of inflation globally. You frame inflation as purely a fault of “money printing” because of your right wing politics, yes. You don’t even understand your own politics. Are you even aware that removing money from circulation through taxation is even an option? No, because you get your political understanding through people who are paid to disseminate right wing propaganda.
There is not an effective ceasefire in Gaza. Israel is still bombing tent villages, Gaza is still uninhabitable, and peacekeepers/media are still not allowed into Gaza. Trump is also planning on running Gaza with the help of his son in law.
And no I don’t think there is any such thing as good policy coming from this Trump administration. Everything has been terrible. It’s the George w bush administration on steroids.
So I'm the one with political bias, because my news sources and comment sections are from *both sides* and yours are from one side? The one-side's-news-only policy is the way to be objective? Okay. :)
And I'm the one who's captured by one side's ideology after having voted both *for* and *against* Trump in different elections? The one who hates every single thing Trump has done is the one *not* ideologically captured? Okay. :)
And you profess to understand the root causes of inflation while ignoring that $5 trillion new dollars were printed into existence during the early 2020's -- because that makes no difference? Okay. (I guess those right wing-captured economists are great, big, giant idiots for even ever tracking such a right wing metric.) :)
Suggestion: You don't have to split your political sources like I do, but how about follow just *one* conservative commentator? Even just to fully understand how amazingly stupid he/she is, if that helps. Can you do that? Just one? Will you do that? Or is hearing the other side stupid?
I'd suggest Victor Davis Hanson. Or Hugh Hewitt. They're both on YouTube. I don't think your "I only want one side's news" policy is helping you.
I acknowledge my political bias because I have political opinions. I am a socialist. I don’t need to obfuscate my political opinions behind mythological “moderation.” You on the other hand do not acknowledge having any political ideology because either you are not aware of your own ideology or feel the need to hide it.
The United States “printed” significantly more money during WW2 and then saw the largest economic golden age in American history. I don’t even know how you’d begin to explain that with the right wing commentary you consume.
I do follow conservative commentators and would listen exclusively to right wing talk radio hosts on my commute to and from work. I understand the conservative perspective. You listen to Hugh Hewitt (who is one of the talk radio hosts I was referring to - I am very familiar with him) and you think you’re a moderate? Hugh Hewitt is extremely far right.
My political opinions don’t come from the commentariat.
Your point on tariffs is so clarifying of your beliefs. No examination of the policy, only viewing it through the lens of Team Democrats vs Team Republicans.
Tariffs, like most things, aren’t all just blanket “good or bad.” If you’re trying to develop a particular domestic industry then tariffs may make sense. That is not the strategy the Trump administration used with tariffs. That is the issue people had with the policy of tariffs. They made zero sense and there was no push to develop the domestic industries of what was being tariffed. Or for things like coffee that cannot be produced in the US.
I agree with most of that last post -- the vast majority of people view Presidential policies, like tariffs, through the team lens -- they'll always be against the other team's position, even if it was their *own* team's position 10 seconds ago.
But I don't think your assertion of the Trump's strategy was correct. The Trump administration has mentioned the re-shoring of manufacturing/tariff link many times. In Q&A, Trump mentions the tariff/re-shoring connection here: https://youtu.be/G70Dd62XwmY
My slightly more nuanced view of tariffs is that we should all agree they represent some degree of trade-off between employment and inflation. And we'd also agree that the inflation downside would logically kick in far quicker than the employment upside -- no one can build a new factory from scratch in even a year. Here's what I mean on the larger question:
Let's say in the end, Trump's tariffs produced 1,000,000 new manufacturing jobs, as well as a 0.2% increase in prices (unrelated to other inflation) -- tariffs would be an abject, runaway success. On the other hand, if tariffs created only a net 5,000 jobs along with a 5% increase in prices (unrelated to other inflation) -- tariffs would be an abject *failure.*
These numbers matter, and no Ph.D. economist (who always disagree with each other about everything anyway) can tell me they *know* what those numbers would have been for Trump's tariffs specifically. And we can debate where the tipping point / neutral ratio is that would make his new tariffs a wash.
But I was waiting to see those numbers. Unlike those who are politically captured, as an independent I don't have to declare the effect will be either "great" or "terrible" before we ever see the numbers. Unfortunately, the *Learning Resources v. Trump* SCOTUS decision meant we may never know what the employment and inflation effects under Trump tariffs would have been.
What we *can* say objectively, however, is that the immediate inflation nightmare stridently predicted by opponents to Trump tariffs never materialized.
Genuine question for your stunning analytical mind- are numbers all that matter? Or should we also look at the character and actions of the person leading?
Stated another way, does it matter whether or not the president is a decent human being?
Yes, it matters. But unlike political activist types, I don’t apply double standards based on team — I apply exactly the same standards.
It seems most people, by contrast, believe anything when the accusation is toward the other team, and nothing when it’s toward their team.
So I treat Trump accusers no differently than accusers of Democrats, like Tara Reid who accused Biden of sexual assault and Clinton’s accusers like Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, etc. Or Trump family profiteering from the office, versus Hunter Biden getting millions from both China & Ukraine.
I go out of my way to apply the same evidentiary standards.
You’re talking about the Biden family’s “millions of dollars” compared to Jared Kushner alone who got BILLION dollars from the saudis just for the sham that was the Abraham accords. The corruption of the current administration is unparalleled in American history.
But you have no way to accurately prove knowledge of either set of those numbers — there’s been no trial or formal finding of any kind about either family.
I believe you’re simply asserting one set of numbers of larger because of your emotion, in particular your hatred of one family and if not defense, at least lack of hatred toward another.
Jurors are asked in advance if they can be unbiased in deciding a case. We both know you don’t consider yourself unbiased about this.
I hate Joe Biden. I hate Donald Trump. I hate them both. The Trump administration is significantly more corrupt. You can just google this stuff you know? I’m not just “asserting” things. These things were widely reported. Also I was mistaken. It was actually TWO billion dollars given to Jared kushner by the Saudis.
You would have to combine every bad thing any democrat has done over the last 20 years to begin to approach Trump's level of corruption, sexual misconduct, professional misconduct, racism/bigotry, number of laws broken, number of times the constitution has been disregarded, number of lies... and more!
So no, you very clearly do not apply the same evidentiary standards to everyone.
It may be beneficial, at your earliest convenience, to consider the possibility that your head is presently lodged within your own posterior — and to take the necessary steps to rectify that situation.
I understand your frame; you can repeat it if you like, but I get it:
Trump is 5 billion times worse than Hitler and Satan combined, and anyone who doesn’t agree 100% with everything you write is either an unmitigated,horrendous, blithering moron, nakedly evil or both.
So yes, I understand your frame: Only you and those who agree with you understand. You don’t need to keep writing it.
My view is you’ve joined an evangelical religion, for whom all non-believers are heretics. The more interesting question will be what’s next for you.
After the midterms this year, once Trump is a lame duck President, your algorithms and one-side media choices will have an economic interest in moving you immediately to the next perceived villains: whether it’ll be Vance, Rubio or whomever. Obviously your clicks are worth money to them. I’m wondering will you comply? Do you realize and admit their economic interest in stoking your continued hate? Do you think there will ever be a day when they’ll stop algorithmically pushing you (and others) toward hate?
Apparently you believe America has no independents, and no swing voters.
This approach not only objectively false, but it ironically confirms the very point I made about the hard core base Democrats messaging as if emotionalism, completely devoid of any analytical policy argument, is the key to winning. It underscores the very echo chamber, group think, ideological conformity bubble on which the point was based.
Anyone whose prism is all Trump despisers vs. Trump glorifiers is not a competent political analyst.
This asshat is the most unamerican president in the history of our country. He disregards the law, every word he utters is filthy, every decision is self-serving, and he repeatedly makes these things crystal clear. In short, he act like a piece of shit king. I think the people stating "you are a piece of shit acting like a king and we dont have kings in America" is pretty straightforward. It doesnt require anyone to point at anything specific, because it is literally ALL bad.
You obviously think you are very smart, yet here you are very confused about a simple thing. Strange.
Well then let’s clear up the confusion and make this very simple:
Do you think there are millions of independent, swing voters who are neither Trump worshippers, nor Trump despisers, and will continue to evaluate this administration unemotionally and by its tangible effects, rather than evaluating either political party by internet narratives and name-calling?
Tangible effects would be like the inflation rate, economic growth, tax rates, government spending, etc…. in general, things that are measured by numbers — rather than the verbal insults from both sides?
In other words, do you think there are millions of people like me?
oh I am absolutely aware there are millions of people just like you out there. People who have ignored the countless signs that Trump is a piece of shit, wanna-be king, and instead judge performance on things like the stock market. "Who cares if the guys is a pedophile self-serving asshole, the stock market is high!!!"
This approach is objectively stupid and confirms the very point I initially made- you have your head up your ass.
No problem, big brain! Hey, maybe you can do me a favor in return by answering a question for me: Are folks like you able to remove their heads from their asses to look around at reality, or is it permanently stuck up there starting at stock prices?
That’s easy:
From the perspective of your prism, definitely “permanently stuck up there” — no different from all the other people with whom you disagree, and are therefore to you, stupid.
Fair point on the surface, but I'd push back a little: "No kings" is kinda a policy argument, its just at a higher level than what your looking for.
Your asking for really specific policy stuff, which makes sense. But you might also be asking for something thats not gonna happen. Good luck getting half a million people to march behind "Strengthen congressional appropriations oversight and statutory limits on emergency executive powers." That message won't fit on a sign or stick in peoples heads.
"No kings" actually distills down a real policy position: restore checks and balances, rein in executive overreach. Its not vague its just not a detailed legislative shopping list. Those can be different things.
That said, your real complaint seems to be that slogans alone aren't enough, and ya I'm with you on that. But thats an argument for adding clearer policy language to it, not tossing the slogan out. The emotional hook and the actual policy thinking do different jobs.
If you’re right, then why didn’t organizers officially name the particular Trump executive orders that were deemed to have needed Congressional approval? Obviously, they could have named one. Or three. Or five. My push back to your push back is exactly why didn’t they?
I think the real politic, non-gaslighting answer to the question is that as soon as they would have named actual Trump executive orders deemed King-like, they would have immediately faced comparisons to analogous Obama & Biden executive orders.
After all, Obama & Biden did drop a lot of bombs in the Middle East. Obama & Biden did order lots of forced, involuntary deportations. They even both ordered tariffs on particular countries’ products.
The “No Kings” organizers clearly didn’t want that conversation, because it’s not an oversimplified black-and-white, good vs. bad.
So, they thought, just keep it vague, i.e. emotional.
I love how this has turned into a social type thing. "All my friends and I went got brunch and drinks and went to 'protest'. See you at the next one. What are you going to wear next time?". I'm not a trump fan, at all, but you do realize he is not a king, right? I don't think the left knows how monarchies, fascism or authoritarianism works. Nor do they realize these protest don't do anything except back up traffic and annoy people trying to go about their day so a bunch of people can virtue signal and pat each other on the back.
I'm not a trump fan, at all, but you do realize he is not a king, right?
You realize that once he becomes a king it is too late to protest. No one is saying Trump is currently a king. They are saying he is trying to make himself into one. We are protesting to let him know we will not stand idly by while he disassembles our democracy.
Nor do they realize these protest don't do anything except back up traffic and annoy people
That is the point of a protest. To make people pay attention. It annoys people on purpose. It got you talking about it. So, it worked.
It brings people together and forms a sense of community, letting people know they're not alone in their feelings about the issue. It lets people talk and discuss what their concerns are, and especially at no kings there were a number of Republicans who engaged in constructive dialogue with people who shared differing beliefs. It puts stress on politicians to do something or risk losing their office. It draws attention to the issues at hand. It also lets people know what the next steps are, which is a general strike on May 1st. No school, no work, no shopping. Zero economic contribution.
Not trolling at all. I lived downtown Dallas at the Kirby. I saw about 7 or 8 protests a year. Guess how many had any results. Zero, nothing changed. No one is willing to sacrifice anything but 3-4 hours on a Saturday to walk around chanting, in a location that has easy parking. Here’s an idea, hold it in Highland Park, overcrowd the jails, bring the city to a stop. Nope, make a sign then have lunch at campisis is about as far as these groups are willing to go. Wish you luck, but I’m not going to hold my breathe
You're feelings are valid. I understand why you would feel like nothing changes. But the truth is that there are people who don't know what's really going on because the media is lying. Maybe you don't see 10,000 people here, but it's definitely more than the hundreds or couple thousand thats been cited in mainstream media.
Over 25, raised by boomers who lived through Vietnam, Civil Rights and Watergate.
I'm not gonna act like I know everything or have lived long enough to see the long term effects of many issues but I have been politically aware enough from a young age to see how our country has changed in my lifetime.
Here is a brief article that breaks down how protests enact change.
Do Protests Matter? New Study Examines How Protests Bring About Change | American Sociological Association https://share.google/HC6gUjfVQ6P8Sgrdd
Even if you don’t believe this, I won’t probably the same things you do. But haven’t been in the military having worked on Wall Street having watched how the powers that be react for 20 years longer than you have, you can call me, jaded, or cynical, the truly important things that have ever changed that have real meeting to everyone whether it isfinancial or societal have been zero. Whether it’s occupied Wall Street or you name it, the money elite are undefeated. Getting our hands dirty is the only thing that will change anything because we’re never gonna put our way out of this.
I suppose that all makes sense on Reddit but in real life are there actually people who have zero clue as to what’s going on in the country? If they didn’t care before…. Why would they care after seeing a protest in a part Dallas that they are probably just trying to get out of anyways.
This is nothing like anti-Trump protests during his first term. Trump has spilled lots of blood, entered the USA into another forever war, and screwed over the American economy. GenZ, who had no idea how the world worked and voted in his favor before, are now against him after being the age group hurt most by his policies (especially young men who fear being drafted).
Admittedly, Americans have an issue with failing to escalate beyond protests. Protests bring attention but only go so far without action. But what it demonstrates is how much people are fed up with Trump, and people who were too apathetic to vote before will be way more motivated to do so.
And the irony is that many of the people there oppose the war with Iran when the Iranian regime is everything they’re protesting against. Behind Taliban controlled Afghanistan, Iran is thee most oppressive government, especially against women. If they only knew it goes beyond just the mandatory hijab. Women don’t even have rights to their own children. If they want to leave their abusive husbands, the courts automatically grant custody to the husband unless he relinquishes it, so to leave her husband, she’d be forced to abandon her kids too. Their algorithms don’t allow them to see it though so they think Iranians don’t support the war when at least 80% of them are begging for the collapse of the Iranian regime
Oh totally dude, America would be perfectly stable right now, doing all the stuff stable countries do like starting wars for no reason and masked secret police and covering up pedophile rings. We’d all be living in perfect harmony if it weren’t for people protesting and being secretly paid by some guy nobody has ever heard of whose net worth is a tiny fraction of Elon musk’s (who is openly doing everything y’all have ever accused Soros of doing, to a much more extreme degree)
The crowd was much more condensed in the original angle. Unfortunately I have to post videos one at a time and it appears to be pissing everyone off so although I have plenty of crowd angles I can't show anymore. Bit of a dead horse anyway.
Maaan you try running around that bitch being 5'2 tryna not get ran over cops shuffling you around ... At one point I got too close to the police line backing up and they grabbed me and passed me down the line like a hot potato
Pretty funny how the camera never really focuses on the crowd. Thankfully a majority of voting Americans went to the no Queens protest last election :)
I know... Low camera angle that glazes over the heads of two sections of this one particular crowd intentionally avoiding the middle section cuz they're probably weren't that many people in that section. They're obviously hiding that turn out was low
This weekend’s turn out in Dallas was once-in-a-generation. We are in AWE by the courage and bravery it took to stand up to fascism for a third time. Not only did we see bravery the likes of which we haven’t seen since World War II, but we saw some of the most ironic protest posters that shook the Trump regime to the core. Keep it up.
But now is not the time to rest on our laurels because fascism sure won’t. Which is why we are asking you to dial up the irony in your protest posters. Turn out is one thing but it’s not everything. The thing that will decide whether the USA goes down the path of fascism or liberty is how Ironic your protest posters are.
“Girls just want ICE out” for example is strong. But to really dethrone the king once and for all we really need to make our references to pop culture more resonant and our narrative voice more ironic. Try instead something like: “I’d rather be chasing water falls” (referencing TLC.) “So bad even the introverts are here” is also a great example of the use of self deprecation and irony but we need to ratchet up the ironic pressure. Try instead: “So bad I missed an episode of One Piece.” Catch our drift?
This is a war. Your ironic protest posters are your weapons. Use them. Take this time to really think deeply about how you will use irony for the fourth No Kings rally coming up later this year. Don’t hold back. If you have a small child, make sure to reference them. If you have a dog, reference the dog too. Do your part.
Must be a cute lil bubble you live in, like the one Galinda floated down in!! I’d never leave, either, if mine was sparkly and pink and blinded me from the realities of the world.
I have no idea about this. But the people that stand outside of polling places are paid. A few years ago I overheard two (hold signs of opposing candidates) asking where they would be tomorrow and which campaign is paying them.
As long as the people are standing outside of the legal parameter - they aren't doing anything illegal. And even if they are getting paid by the candidate to hold signs or to ask questions they aren't doing anything wrong. Campaigns aren't always going to have enough volunteers.
Billionaires typically want things like cheaper labor, lower taxes on the rich, lower regulations so their companies can save money on silly things like worker safety & polluting the water supply. So how exactly would billionaires be incentivized to fund these sort of protests?
raxsdale@reddit
I’m an independent — I carry no water for either major party. And call me old fashioned, but I think protests should clearly state a policy they want to be enacted.
Avoiding that, and instead pushing a “We just hate this guy” message, relegates the whole thing to an inherently emotional appeal, and reduces it to something designed to make the already stridently opposed base feel good. This is more like group therapy than good politics.
Come to me with a policy argument, and I’ll listen — not this performative emotionalism. I’d respond the same way to a vague right wing emotional protest, through their prism… like if they were to have held a “No Senility” protest during Biden.
To both parties: Protests should have the intellectual honesty to me what you’re for.
bingbong2715@reddit
This protest isn’t for you then. Political organizations show up to these protests and recruit. These types of protests are for organizing. It’s more of an umbrella movement. There isn’t one specific policy that is encompassed by these protests. Not all politics is about passing very specific legislation.
raxsdale@reddit
I agree that it’s not for me — but I’m also saying I believe it’s bad politics.
It tells independents “We just against this guy, literally no matter what he does.” I think that brands the Democrats — to independents who would be the swing voters — as bereft of their own ideas.
bingbong2715@reddit
It’s not “we dislike Trump for no particular reason” you just choose to interpret it that way because of your personal politics. There are a million things to dislike Trump for and many have to do with his increased authoritarianism hence the protest name. This brings out people who dislike Trump for his authoritarianism on issues like war (particularly without congressional approval), the increased budgets and power for groups like ICE and the military generally), his personal involvement in the consolidation of the media, etc. These protests bring all these people out (which there are many of if you look at polling for Trump) who then have the ability to further organize.
If you like Trump then this was never for you but that also makes you unlikely to be an actual independent at this point. He literally threatened a nuclear holocaust just two days ago and you’re still “keeping a policy tally for both parties” at this point? The political landscape has moved well beyond your political understanding of the country.
raxsdale@reddit
We’ll agree to disagree. You say the politics has moved “beyond” my “political understanding.”
I believe you’re in a group think information bubble in which you mostly discuss politics with those who agree with you, in a self-reinforcing vortex. To you, understanding means agreeing with you, and not agreeing with you means not understanding.
Algorithms have learned to only feed you one side’s perspective, and bifurcated media team alliance allows you to comfortably pick news sources that always tell you you’re right and will portray every Trump action as deplorable.
There’s a lot I don’t like about Trump. He’s been coarse, profane, childish and narcissistic on too many occasions to remember, while as President. But am I glad Maduro is out of power? Yes. An Israel - Gaza ceasefire exists (despite some isolated violence still)? Yes. Inflation is lower? Yes.
Let’s take one issue: Democrats love to forget how tariffs were largely a Democratic party policy until Trump, proposed as a policy to help middle class American factory workers. Bernie Sanders proposed tariffs. When I was a kid, old school Democrats like Dick Gephardt ran for President on a pro-tariff agenda. Both Obama and Biden initiated tariffs on multiple occasions.
But rather than a calm analytical analysis of the pros and cons of a policy, political rage has become something of a religion to an anti-Trump strident minority, who can only respond emotionally to Trump actions, while ironically, pushing away independent voters who do not connect with the rage.
Pretty_Baseball_6056@reddit
Honestly, it is very clear that YOU are the one in a self-reinforcing vortex my man. I rarely watch or read any mainstream news. When I do, I open up a right wing and left wing news site and compare how they are reporting on the same thing.
Most of what I do is look at what Trump is actually saying and doing. The type of people he surrounds himself with and what they are doing/saying. I examine the very arguments he himself puts out to the masses. Anyone who does this alone would be out there protesting.
Unfortunately, as we already know, you are stuck in a vortex. Sad.
raxsdale@reddit
But do you ignore the Iranian Americans who were celebrating the fall of the Ayatollah? Ignore the Venezuelan Americans celebrating the removal of Maduro? Ignore that Trump won 65% of Hispanic men in Texas who wanted border enforcement? Ignore how Biden money-printing decimated middle class families with average inflation of 5% during his term (peaking at 9.1%) vs. 2.46% under Trump 47? Ignore the Israel-Gaza ceasefire?
Or ignore the Covid authoritarianism and free speech censorship attempts under Biden?
Again, I’m not a Trumper — and have proved that by literally voting both for him and against him. But I see both sides and can make both arguments (without insults, incidentally). You quite clearly can’t.
bingbong2715@reddit
You’re very clearly not an independent/moderate based on what you’re saying in this comment alone. You posted in the Tim pool subreddit. Maybe you’ve been convinced by right wingers to believe you’re moderate but you’re just as manipulated as you claim others to be. I own my beliefs. You don’t seem to be able to do the same.
What does Iranian diaspora celebrating the death of the ayatollah have to do with whether it’s right or wrong? What does the Venezuelan diaspora celebrating the capturing of Maduro have to do with whether it’s right or wrong? Also you’re purposely only seeing those celebrating because it aligns with your politics and the political media you consume.
You believe “covid authoritarianism” is a concept based in reality. You believe Biden “money-printed” the middle class into extinction. You believe there is actually a working ceasefire in place in Gaza.
These are all right wing positions dictated to you by people like Tim pool whose job it is to convince political midwits that they’re actually moderate and not far right.
raxsdale@reddit
Covid authoritarianism is a right wing position dictated to me? No, it’s that Biden had career military professionals fired if they weren’t willing to have an experimental vaccine that didn’t stop transmission, approved only under “emergency authorization” by the government’s own admission, injected into their bodies… whether they were the demographic at risk of Covid or not. Then, they tried to push OSHA to require the same of private companies… this while taking campaign contributions from big pharma. Those are facts not in dispute by anyone.
That was authoritarian. “Be injected with a chemical we demand, made by companies whose checks were cashing, or we’ll end your career.” A direct 180 degree inversion of “My body; my choice” — allegedly a Democratic party principle.
Biden money printing is a “right wing” position? Then what exactly do you say suddenly created 9.1% inflation — the highest in 50 years, by far? The weather? Or was the inflation spike propaganda too? Have you looked at charts of the M2 money supply? Have you seen the numbers on Biden-era quantitative easing? Are the Federal Reserve charts right wing propaganda?
Yes, there’s a ceasefire currently in place in Gaza, despite the fact there have been isolated violent incidents, as I admitted. Still it’s nothing like what was happening before. Perhaps Google that. Or ask AI, if you prefer. I just did, to confirm nothing’s changed.
I have a more interesting question: Do you believe any Trump policies have been good? His policies’ effects on inflation, the border, Venezuela, re-sourcing manufacturing to America, cutting USAID, Doge, men in women’s sports… anything.
Or do you believe the defense of any Trump policy is by definition deluded, stupid, right wing propaganda?
bingbong2715@reddit
Yes your entire diatribe about Covid is entirely informed by right wing political commentator. You just made that even more clear through your framing. Just own your right wing beliefs. No need to pretend to be a moderate.
You don’t even attempt to acknowledge the impact Covid had on international supply chains which were the number one cause of inflation globally. You frame inflation as purely a fault of “money printing” because of your right wing politics, yes. You don’t even understand your own politics. Are you even aware that removing money from circulation through taxation is even an option? No, because you get your political understanding through people who are paid to disseminate right wing propaganda.
There is not an effective ceasefire in Gaza. Israel is still bombing tent villages, Gaza is still uninhabitable, and peacekeepers/media are still not allowed into Gaza. Trump is also planning on running Gaza with the help of his son in law.
And no I don’t think there is any such thing as good policy coming from this Trump administration. Everything has been terrible. It’s the George w bush administration on steroids.
raxsdale@reddit
So I'm the one with political bias, because my news sources and comment sections are from *both sides* and yours are from one side? The one-side's-news-only policy is the way to be objective? Okay. :)
And I'm the one who's captured by one side's ideology after having voted both *for* and *against* Trump in different elections? The one who hates every single thing Trump has done is the one *not* ideologically captured? Okay. :)
And you profess to understand the root causes of inflation while ignoring that $5 trillion new dollars were printed into existence during the early 2020's -- because that makes no difference? Okay. (I guess those right wing-captured economists are great, big, giant idiots for even ever tracking such a right wing metric.) :)
Suggestion: You don't have to split your political sources like I do, but how about follow just *one* conservative commentator? Even just to fully understand how amazingly stupid he/she is, if that helps. Can you do that? Just one? Will you do that? Or is hearing the other side stupid?
I'd suggest Victor Davis Hanson. Or Hugh Hewitt. They're both on YouTube. I don't think your "I only want one side's news" policy is helping you.
bingbong2715@reddit
I acknowledge my political bias because I have political opinions. I am a socialist. I don’t need to obfuscate my political opinions behind mythological “moderation.” You on the other hand do not acknowledge having any political ideology because either you are not aware of your own ideology or feel the need to hide it.
The United States “printed” significantly more money during WW2 and then saw the largest economic golden age in American history. I don’t even know how you’d begin to explain that with the right wing commentary you consume.
I do follow conservative commentators and would listen exclusively to right wing talk radio hosts on my commute to and from work. I understand the conservative perspective. You listen to Hugh Hewitt (who is one of the talk radio hosts I was referring to - I am very familiar with him) and you think you’re a moderate? Hugh Hewitt is extremely far right.
My political opinions don’t come from the commentariat.
bingbong2715@reddit
Your point on tariffs is so clarifying of your beliefs. No examination of the policy, only viewing it through the lens of Team Democrats vs Team Republicans.
Tariffs, like most things, aren’t all just blanket “good or bad.” If you’re trying to develop a particular domestic industry then tariffs may make sense. That is not the strategy the Trump administration used with tariffs. That is the issue people had with the policy of tariffs. They made zero sense and there was no push to develop the domestic industries of what was being tariffed. Or for things like coffee that cannot be produced in the US.
raxsdale@reddit
I agree with most of that last post -- the vast majority of people view Presidential policies, like tariffs, through the team lens -- they'll always be against the other team's position, even if it was their *own* team's position 10 seconds ago.
But I don't think your assertion of the Trump's strategy was correct. The Trump administration has mentioned the re-shoring of manufacturing/tariff link many times. In Q&A, Trump mentions the tariff/re-shoring connection here:
https://youtu.be/G70Dd62XwmY
As Scott Bessent does so here:
https://youtu.be/8l7OnQKvbM8
My slightly more nuanced view of tariffs is that we should all agree they represent some degree of trade-off between employment and inflation. And we'd also agree that the inflation downside would logically kick in far quicker than the employment upside -- no one can build a new factory from scratch in even a year. Here's what I mean on the larger question:
Let's say in the end, Trump's tariffs produced 1,000,000 new manufacturing jobs, as well as a 0.2% increase in prices (unrelated to other inflation) -- tariffs would be an abject, runaway success. On the other hand, if tariffs created only a net 5,000 jobs along with a 5% increase in prices (unrelated to other inflation) -- tariffs would be an abject *failure.*
These numbers matter, and no Ph.D. economist (who always disagree with each other about everything anyway) can tell me they *know* what those numbers would have been for Trump's tariffs specifically. And we can debate where the tipping point / neutral ratio is that would make his new tariffs a wash.
But I was waiting to see those numbers. Unlike those who are politically captured, as an independent I don't have to declare the effect will be either "great" or "terrible" before we ever see the numbers. Unfortunately, the *Learning Resources v. Trump* SCOTUS decision meant we may never know what the employment and inflation effects under Trump tariffs would have been.
What we *can* say objectively, however, is that the immediate inflation nightmare stridently predicted by opponents to Trump tariffs never materialized.
Pretty_Baseball_6056@reddit
Genuine question for your stunning analytical mind- are numbers all that matter? Or should we also look at the character and actions of the person leading?
Stated another way, does it matter whether or not the president is a decent human being?
raxsdale@reddit
Yes, it matters. But unlike political activist types, I don’t apply double standards based on team — I apply exactly the same standards.
It seems most people, by contrast, believe anything when the accusation is toward the other team, and nothing when it’s toward their team.
So I treat Trump accusers no differently than accusers of Democrats, like Tara Reid who accused Biden of sexual assault and Clinton’s accusers like Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, etc. Or Trump family profiteering from the office, versus Hunter Biden getting millions from both China & Ukraine.
I go out of my way to apply the same evidentiary standards.
bingbong2715@reddit
You’re talking about the Biden family’s “millions of dollars” compared to Jared Kushner alone who got BILLION dollars from the saudis just for the sham that was the Abraham accords. The corruption of the current administration is unparalleled in American history.
raxsdale@reddit
But you have no way to accurately prove knowledge of either set of those numbers — there’s been no trial or formal finding of any kind about either family.
I believe you’re simply asserting one set of numbers of larger because of your emotion, in particular your hatred of one family and if not defense, at least lack of hatred toward another.
Jurors are asked in advance if they can be unbiased in deciding a case. We both know you don’t consider yourself unbiased about this.
bingbong2715@reddit
I hate Joe Biden. I hate Donald Trump. I hate them both. The Trump administration is significantly more corrupt. You can just google this stuff you know? I’m not just “asserting” things. These things were widely reported. Also I was mistaken. It was actually TWO billion dollars given to Jared kushner by the Saudis.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html
Pretty_Baseball_6056@reddit
You would have to combine every bad thing any democrat has done over the last 20 years to begin to approach Trump's level of corruption, sexual misconduct, professional misconduct, racism/bigotry, number of laws broken, number of times the constitution has been disregarded, number of lies... and more!
So no, you very clearly do not apply the same evidentiary standards to everyone.
It may be beneficial, at your earliest convenience, to consider the possibility that your head is presently lodged within your own posterior — and to take the necessary steps to rectify that situation.
raxsdale@reddit
I understand your frame; you can repeat it if you like, but I get it: Trump is 5 billion times worse than Hitler and Satan combined, and anyone who doesn’t agree 100% with everything you write is either an unmitigated,horrendous, blithering moron, nakedly evil or both.
So yes, I understand your frame: Only you and those who agree with you understand. You don’t need to keep writing it.
My view is you’ve joined an evangelical religion, for whom all non-believers are heretics. The more interesting question will be what’s next for you.
After the midterms this year, once Trump is a lame duck President, your algorithms and one-side media choices will have an economic interest in moving you immediately to the next perceived villains: whether it’ll be Vance, Rubio or whomever. Obviously your clicks are worth money to them. I’m wondering will you comply? Do you realize and admit their economic interest in stoking your continued hate? Do you think there will ever be a day when they’ll stop algorithmically pushing you (and others) toward hate?
Pretty_Baseball_6056@reddit
Unlike you, I am not in a cult. I fucking hate politics and have only engaged in it now that is has inserted itself into my life.
I don't have any social media other than reddit, which I primarily use for my professional and personal interests.
Good luck in your vortex, buddy. Unless you find a way, we are doomed.
raxsdale@reddit
If you really believed that, you’d leave. Obviously millions of jews left Germany in the 1930s.
But I think we both know you don’t believe it. That’s why you’re here right now.
Pretty_Baseball_6056@reddit
There are two types of people:
Those who recognize that yes, in fact, orange man bad. Orange man, very clearly obviously bad.
Those who have their head up their asses
raxsdale@reddit
Apparently you believe America has no independents, and no swing voters.
This approach not only objectively false, but it ironically confirms the very point I made about the hard core base Democrats messaging as if emotionalism, completely devoid of any analytical policy argument, is the key to winning. It underscores the very echo chamber, group think, ideological conformity bubble on which the point was based.
Anyone whose prism is all Trump despisers vs. Trump glorifiers is not a competent political analyst.
Pretty_Baseball_6056@reddit
This asshat is the most unamerican president in the history of our country. He disregards the law, every word he utters is filthy, every decision is self-serving, and he repeatedly makes these things crystal clear. In short, he act like a piece of shit king. I think the people stating "you are a piece of shit acting like a king and we dont have kings in America" is pretty straightforward. It doesnt require anyone to point at anything specific, because it is literally ALL bad.
You obviously think you are very smart, yet here you are very confused about a simple thing. Strange.
raxsdale@reddit
Well then let’s clear up the confusion and make this very simple:
Do you think there are millions of independent, swing voters who are neither Trump worshippers, nor Trump despisers, and will continue to evaluate this administration unemotionally and by its tangible effects, rather than evaluating either political party by internet narratives and name-calling?
Tangible effects would be like the inflation rate, economic growth, tax rates, government spending, etc…. in general, things that are measured by numbers — rather than the verbal insults from both sides?
In other words, do you think there are millions of people like me?
Pretty_Baseball_6056@reddit
oh I am absolutely aware there are millions of people just like you out there. People who have ignored the countless signs that Trump is a piece of shit, wanna-be king, and instead judge performance on things like the stock market. "Who cares if the guys is a pedophile self-serving asshole, the stock market is high!!!"
This approach is objectively stupid and confirms the very point I initially made- you have your head up your ass.
raxsdale@reddit
Thanks for answering. 😎
Pretty_Baseball_6056@reddit
No problem, big brain! Hey, maybe you can do me a favor in return by answering a question for me: Are folks like you able to remove their heads from their asses to look around at reality, or is it permanently stuck up there starting at stock prices?
raxsdale@reddit
That’s easy: From the perspective of your prism, definitely “permanently stuck up there” — no different from all the other people with whom you disagree, and are therefore to you, stupid.
harrylime7@reddit
This has nothing to do with the comment to which you were supposedly responding.
Juan_Connery@reddit
Fair point on the surface, but I'd push back a little: "No kings" is kinda a policy argument, its just at a higher level than what your looking for.
Your asking for really specific policy stuff, which makes sense. But you might also be asking for something thats not gonna happen. Good luck getting half a million people to march behind "Strengthen congressional appropriations oversight and statutory limits on emergency executive powers." That message won't fit on a sign or stick in peoples heads.
"No kings" actually distills down a real policy position: restore checks and balances, rein in executive overreach. Its not vague its just not a detailed legislative shopping list. Those can be different things.
That said, your real complaint seems to be that slogans alone aren't enough, and ya I'm with you on that. But thats an argument for adding clearer policy language to it, not tossing the slogan out. The emotional hook and the actual policy thinking do different jobs.
raxsdale@reddit
I appreciate the thoughtful response. 😎
If you’re right, then why didn’t organizers officially name the particular Trump executive orders that were deemed to have needed Congressional approval? Obviously, they could have named one. Or three. Or five. My push back to your push back is exactly why didn’t they?
I think the real politic, non-gaslighting answer to the question is that as soon as they would have named actual Trump executive orders deemed King-like, they would have immediately faced comparisons to analogous Obama & Biden executive orders.
After all, Obama & Biden did drop a lot of bombs in the Middle East. Obama & Biden did order lots of forced, involuntary deportations. They even both ordered tariffs on particular countries’ products.
The “No Kings” organizers clearly didn’t want that conversation, because it’s not an oversimplified black-and-white, good vs. bad.
So, they thought, just keep it vague, i.e. emotional.
OpenAstronaut4822@reddit
I love how this has turned into a social type thing. "All my friends and I went got brunch and drinks and went to 'protest'. See you at the next one. What are you going to wear next time?". I'm not a trump fan, at all, but you do realize he is not a king, right? I don't think the left knows how monarchies, fascism or authoritarianism works. Nor do they realize these protest don't do anything except back up traffic and annoy people trying to go about their day so a bunch of people can virtue signal and pat each other on the back.
Tolingar@reddit
You realize that once he becomes a king it is too late to protest. No one is saying Trump is currently a king. They are saying he is trying to make himself into one. We are protesting to let him know we will not stand idly by while he disassembles our democracy.
That is the point of a protest. To make people pay attention. It annoys people on purpose. It got you talking about it. So, it worked.
ConfusionPrevious942@reddit
Useless idiots😂
Prowling_Owl@reddit
Bunch of brainwashed NPC’s if you ask me
Debmred77@reddit
What a waste the time it’s like a five minutes of fame and that’s it.
stankybuttmud@reddit
I wonder how Trump is a king? Didn't he win every swing state and the popular vote? Seems like he was elected
DFLO_02@reddit
"No Job and Woke" is more appropriate for this gathering.
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camp1728@reddit
What did it accomplish?
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
It brings people together and forms a sense of community, letting people know they're not alone in their feelings about the issue. It lets people talk and discuss what their concerns are, and especially at no kings there were a number of Republicans who engaged in constructive dialogue with people who shared differing beliefs. It puts stress on politicians to do something or risk losing their office. It draws attention to the issues at hand. It also lets people know what the next steps are, which is a general strike on May 1st. No school, no work, no shopping. Zero economic contribution.
bedcech29@reddit
Please let me know when the power elite care
Complex_Win_5408@reddit
Ah, so apathy is the way to beat them? Or are you trolling?
bedcech29@reddit
Not trolling at all. I lived downtown Dallas at the Kirby. I saw about 7 or 8 protests a year. Guess how many had any results. Zero, nothing changed. No one is willing to sacrifice anything but 3-4 hours on a Saturday to walk around chanting, in a location that has easy parking. Here’s an idea, hold it in Highland Park, overcrowd the jails, bring the city to a stop. Nope, make a sign then have lunch at campisis is about as far as these groups are willing to go. Wish you luck, but I’m not going to hold my breathe
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
You're feelings are valid. I understand why you would feel like nothing changes. But the truth is that there are people who don't know what's really going on because the media is lying. Maybe you don't see 10,000 people here, but it's definitely more than the hundreds or couple thousand thats been cited in mainstream media.
bedcech29@reddit
Just curious, how old are you?
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
Over 25, raised by boomers who lived through Vietnam, Civil Rights and Watergate. I'm not gonna act like I know everything or have lived long enough to see the long term effects of many issues but I have been politically aware enough from a young age to see how our country has changed in my lifetime.
Here is a brief article that breaks down how protests enact change.
Do Protests Matter? New Study Examines How Protests Bring About Change | American Sociological Association https://share.google/HC6gUjfVQ6P8Sgrdd
bedcech29@reddit
Even if you don’t believe this, I won’t probably the same things you do. But haven’t been in the military having worked on Wall Street having watched how the powers that be react for 20 years longer than you have, you can call me, jaded, or cynical, the truly important things that have ever changed that have real meeting to everyone whether it isfinancial or societal have been zero. Whether it’s occupied Wall Street or you name it, the money elite are undefeated. Getting our hands dirty is the only thing that will change anything because we’re never gonna put our way out of this.
Complex_Win_5408@reddit
You're trolling. Im out.
bedcech29@reddit
Please let me know when the power elite care
Edit: OP couldn’t handle the slightest feedback and hid. Typical
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
Huh?
camp1728@reddit
Hahaha yes I noticed that too
camp1728@reddit
I suppose that all makes sense on Reddit but in real life are there actually people who have zero clue as to what’s going on in the country? If they didn’t care before…. Why would they care after seeing a protest in a part Dallas that they are probably just trying to get out of anyways.
harrylime7@reddit
Reddit upvotes.
KRIZXXXX@reddit
Absolutely nothing
Complex_Win_5408@reddit
We'll see. What did you do?
camp1728@reddit
Not sure when this was but most likely took a nap
No-Significance2070@reddit
Funny enough, do you think a King would allow protests like this?
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
They allowed them in the countries all over europe that participated.
No-Significance2070@reddit
Do you mean in places like Britain’s where the monarchy is simply a status simple and where taxes go with no rolling power?
btm1573@reddit
Complete idiots
Wild_Arm34@reddit
I wonder if all those people will vote?
FraterSofus@reddit
I suspect a lot more will this time around than usual. Will they show back up for following elections, though?
Still_Detail_4285@reddit
Protests like this happen all the time. Nothing changes.
Complex_Win_5408@reddit
Lol protests of this scale do NOT happen all the time in America.
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
In fact, protest of this scale have never happened in America before.
Big_Puzzled@reddit
you cant be serious , you must be 12
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
This was a nationwide protest with 8 Million participants.
Still_Detail_4285@reddit
Please read a history book. This is nothing.
SirMrAdam@reddit
The top three largest protests in US history are all No Kings protests. The data is openly available.
Cansum1helpme@reddit
Look up the 1968 Democratic Convention protests sometime. The 60s and 70s were rife with political protests mainly over Vietnam and race.
Those protests were often far more violent than what we’ve seen today.
FraterSofus@reddit
History says otherwise ¯\(ツ)/¯
987YouBloodyTulip789@reddit
This is nothing like anti-Trump protests during his first term. Trump has spilled lots of blood, entered the USA into another forever war, and screwed over the American economy. GenZ, who had no idea how the world worked and voted in his favor before, are now against him after being the age group hurt most by his policies (especially young men who fear being drafted).
Admittedly, Americans have an issue with failing to escalate beyond protests. Protests bring attention but only go so far without action. But what it demonstrates is how much people are fed up with Trump, and people who were too apathetic to vote before will be way more motivated to do so.
binarypolitics@reddit
As soon as Democrats are back in power they will get amnesia and start complaining about Israel and how their vote has to be earned.
AppropriateLet8131@reddit
Sadly, yep
olderandsuperwiser@reddit
Wait. We vote for a king? I'm confused.
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
Please Google the definition of "metaphor"
Intrepid-Gas7872@reddit
Thankfully no
Nylorac773@reddit
People who show up at protests ARE the hardcore voters. This isn't a "Oh noes, my Trump lied to me!" pity parade.
Zealousideal_Scale36@reddit
What are the No Kings plans for the May Day celebrations? I hope they plan to celebrate this international day of democracy!
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
There are plans! Look up dfwmayday on insta
kaitlyn3889@reddit
And the irony is that many of the people there oppose the war with Iran when the Iranian regime is everything they’re protesting against. Behind Taliban controlled Afghanistan, Iran is thee most oppressive government, especially against women. If they only knew it goes beyond just the mandatory hijab. Women don’t even have rights to their own children. If they want to leave their abusive husbands, the courts automatically grant custody to the husband unless he relinquishes it, so to leave her husband, she’d be forced to abandon her kids too. Their algorithms don’t allow them to see it though so they think Iranians don’t support the war when at least 80% of them are begging for the collapse of the Iranian regime
Inner-Course302@reddit
Mental illness is spreading faster than COVID
ice-eight@reddit
I used my Soros check from this to pay for a couple abortions, a bag of THCA flower and some sports equipment for my trans niece, what about y’all?
/s but 5 accounts with hidden comment history will make this same comment unironically within 5 minutes of any post about no kings here
Almaegen@reddit
Its not soros backing these its Neville Roy Singham but congrats on helping the CCP destabilize our country..
ice-eight@reddit
Oh totally dude, America would be perfectly stable right now, doing all the stuff stable countries do like starting wars for no reason and masked secret police and covering up pedophile rings. We’d all be living in perfect harmony if it weren’t for people protesting and being secretly paid by some guy nobody has ever heard of whose net worth is a tiny fraction of Elon musk’s (who is openly doing everything y’all have ever accused Soros of doing, to a much more extreme degree)
Y’all aren’t even trying anymore.
ChurchillWog@reddit
I thought the checks were coming from Neville Roy...
little4lyfe@reddit
The ratio of professional signs to homemade signs is interesting
ice-eight@reddit
Did you look at the clip or are you a bot that spams that comment on all threads about no kings?
BOOT3D@reddit
So many idiots in one place, good for them.
millerba213@reddit
What an odd camera angle cutting off their feet.
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
https://youtu.be/O925K_KnImE?si=JP3yt0azORP4Zspv
millerba213@reddit
Turns out the camera angle you originally posted definitely gives the illusion the crowd was larger than it was.
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
The crowd was much more condensed in the original angle. Unfortunately I have to post videos one at a time and it appears to be pissing everyone off so although I have plenty of crowd angles I can't show anymore. Bit of a dead horse anyway.
danxmanly@reddit
Because AI can't do feet well.
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
There's actually photos of me taking this video. Idk who took them though and you don't know what I look like so what do you want, the raw footage?
Disco_Biscuit12@reddit
AI doesn’t do hands and feet too well, so…
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
Maaan you try running around that bitch being 5'2 tryna not get ran over cops shuffling you around ... At one point I got too close to the police line backing up and they grabbed me and passed me down the line like a hot potato
SoggyBiscuitVet@reddit
Get out of here, Tarantino.
BabyOptimal5255@reddit
Pendejo parade
LessConstruction1841@reddit
No Kings funded by Communist China Stop being a useful idiot.
MundanePainter6875@reddit
No king but Jesus
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
He was there too
Business-Low440@reddit
Waving the Mexican flag no doubt…
Prettykitty12345@reddit
A friend of mine went there and she said turn out was terrible. The camera angle of this is deceptive
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
Your friend is lying
Geico22@reddit
Pretty funny how the camera never really focuses on the crowd. Thankfully a majority of voting Americans went to the no Queens protest last election :)
Prettykitty12345@reddit
I know... Low camera angle that glazes over the heads of two sections of this one particular crowd intentionally avoiding the middle section cuz they're probably weren't that many people in that section. They're obviously hiding that turn out was low
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
Jesus Christ I cut out the gap between the protestors and the police line. https://youtu.be/O925K_KnImE?si=JP3yt0azORP4Zspv
-BetoIsAFurry-@reddit
that's whole lot of mentally challenged!
Intelligent_Cheek_45@reddit
Didnt know there were kings here in the United States, they must be protesting England.
Yesbutwhynow@reddit
Cue “The Hamster Dance” song please…
sacandbaby@reddit
Whatever it was, it worked.
Sea_Fig6765@reddit
All white!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
ChurchillWog@reddit
Dallas seems to be going backwards =(
Prettykitty12345@reddit
Lol... The camera angle of this is very sus
DallasTXGV@reddit
Next action is a general strike:
https://www.nokings.org/
HogHole@reddit
https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/texas/
And who really matters
Former-Cockroach-568@reddit
Imagine that volume of people, putting in that same amount of energy, to actually accomplish something 😂
qolace@reddit
That's what I said when I saw protests for the Luka tradeoff. Was so embarrassing.
Former-Cockroach-568@reddit
People smh 🤦♂️
Weak-Mammoth-359@reddit
This weekend’s turn out in Dallas was once-in-a-generation. We are in AWE by the courage and bravery it took to stand up to fascism for a third time. Not only did we see bravery the likes of which we haven’t seen since World War II, but we saw some of the most ironic protest posters that shook the Trump regime to the core. Keep it up.
But now is not the time to rest on our laurels because fascism sure won’t. Which is why we are asking you to dial up the irony in your protest posters. Turn out is one thing but it’s not everything. The thing that will decide whether the USA goes down the path of fascism or liberty is how Ironic your protest posters are.
“Girls just want ICE out” for example is strong. But to really dethrone the king once and for all we really need to make our references to pop culture more resonant and our narrative voice more ironic. Try instead something like: “I’d rather be chasing water falls” (referencing TLC.) “So bad even the introverts are here” is also a great example of the use of self deprecation and irony but we need to ratchet up the ironic pressure. Try instead: “So bad I missed an episode of One Piece.” Catch our drift?
This is a war. Your ironic protest posters are your weapons. Use them. Take this time to really think deeply about how you will use irony for the fourth No Kings rally coming up later this year. Don’t hold back. If you have a small child, make sure to reference them. If you have a dog, reference the dog too. Do your part.
Exciting_Staff6365@reddit
Wonder how much they got paid
PsychologicalWest793@reddit
Hopefully something because obviously they don’t have a job😂💀
FROSHOW4@reddit
Protesting Latin Kings gang?
deerhunt571@reddit
Bunch of low IQ Texans it’s embarrassing.
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Right_Rev@reddit
Durr, heh heh, we no have king, durr, me so witty
No_Lifeguard259@reddit
Weird. We didn’t have a king and still don’t. It was effective I guess!
Striking_Reindeer_2k@reddit
Bless their heart. We have no kings. Mission accomplished.
SendItFellas@reddit
"noooo!! The Pedo Cheeto isn't actually a king, he just acts like one! You're stupid for calling him a king, that's not his official title!"
Striking_Reindeer_2k@reddit
Cheeto The Kid did not arrest you for protesting.
You are dismissed.
SendItFellas@reddit
"nooo!!!! he's not supreme leader yet, he's only glorious leader! This isn't 1939 Germany, it's 1931 Germany! They aren't the same!"
Salt_Technology2676@reddit
Must be a cute lil bubble you live in, like the one Galinda floated down in!! I’d never leave, either, if mine was sparkly and pink and blinded me from the realities of the world.
ericroku@reddit
250$/day no ID required. Craigslist.
willisbar@reddit
Show me the listing. Did you call, where’s the cash?
ericroku@reddit
IYKYK.. stickers and banners given when you show up. global66 xfer at end of day when you come bacl.
WhiteBoyFlipz@reddit
do you also believe the moon landing was fake, pigeons are spy devices, and 5G causes cancer?
these seem like ideas right up your alley
PsychicStardust@reddit
Hey man that other stuff may be conspiracy theories but I draw the line about shit talking the government drones you call "pigeons".
ericroku@reddit
sure.. its all fake.
greg_barton@reddit
Projection.
willisbar@reddit
Pics or it didn’t happen
prettyokaycake@reddit
the covid shot gave me nanobots that track me
Suitable_Bike_9484@reddit
Source?
Efil4Seittit@reddit
It’s in the mail with their $2000 DOGE check
Still_Detail_4285@reddit
I have no idea about this. But the people that stand outside of polling places are paid. A few years ago I overheard two (hold signs of opposing candidates) asking where they would be tomorrow and which campaign is paying them.
I had just voted, it made me feel dirty.
AD_Cinema@reddit (OP)
I'm not denying that happens, canvassers are paid yes. But the idea that everyone who protests is being paid is ridiculous.
LumpyPhilosopher8@reddit
As long as the people are standing outside of the legal parameter - they aren't doing anything illegal. And even if they are getting paid by the candidate to hold signs or to ask questions they aren't doing anything wrong. Campaigns aren't always going to have enough volunteers.
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ty944@reddit
If only, that kind of gig sound sick
sam-carter-@reddit
what a joke
NotEvenPretty75@reddit
This is what community looks like!
nonubiz@reddit
And that’s a red state maybe it’s going blue. First they have to get rid of wheelchair man
InvestigatorSevere72@reddit
Only King is King Jesus.
rdrllcinc@reddit
And we have no kings. It was a success.!
WendigoDarkling@reddit
I see Waldo!
noligarchy-us@reddit
Impressive turnout
Disco_Biscuit12@reddit
Weak
water_burgerr@reddit
Bootlicker
Disco_Biscuit12@reddit
Terrorist.
water_burgerr@reddit
That the best you got, MAGAT? lol enjoy the midterms babe
Disco_Biscuit12@reddit
lol. K
leostotch@reddit
Unless you’re talking about how loud they are or you’re planning on sticking them in a blender, people come in numbers, not volume.
imissher4ever@reddit
I found Waldo!!
McFuckinZeit@reddit
Sounds like a great way to piss off the normies that aren't politically active. Lol
ChurchillWog@reddit
Sucks to live in Dallas with that many maroons and illegal aliens.
goosaguaple@reddit
I was there with a big group of friends!!! It was inspiring, community building and gave me renewed hope!!!! Can’t wait for the next one!
daveyparlay69@reddit
How are people not seeing this as yet other billionaire funded scheme? Another trick dummies. Just sickness
Dick_Lazer@reddit
Billionaires typically want things like cheaper labor, lower taxes on the rich, lower regulations so their companies can save money on silly things like worker safety & polluting the water supply. So how exactly would billionaires be incentivized to fund these sort of protests?
pizzlepullerofkberg@reddit
Oh no Americans are against our worthless piece of shit president. What will we ever do? Cope and seethe. Maga is cooked come voting time.
Dawnzarelli@reddit
To what end? How does this help billionaires? Which billionaires? Are you just going to point to Soros like a good little sheeple?
jffadvisors@reddit
Anyone else see the irony in the sign that says “no child should have to live in Texas”?
There are no border guards at any of the states that border Texas. Just leave.
AsrarBatin@reddit
I had no idea this was going on.
pizzlepullerofkberg@reddit
Yes you did. Why lie?
danxmanly@reddit
Neither did most normal folks.
Fantastic_Reveal_599@reddit
My neighbor got paid $200 for the day lol.. We even went to a bar after with that money..
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adambmr@reddit
And medical coverage if Ice coughs you up in Iran you would be shot in China shot or prisons and same in Russia
Silverbacks@reddit
Yah vote for a Trump, yah pay at the pump.