Re Entry Shock
Posted by SkipSemesters@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 87 comments
Been back for 4 month in my home country of Finland after spending 3 years in the states. I’m experiencing re entry shock like many others. My question is do people end up moving back to the place they originally went abroad? I’m starting to think I may have made a mistake, I’m going to give it a couple years though.
Fine-Confusion-5827@reddit
imo, yes. after 10 years in the UK, I'm now planning my move back to my home country (EU)
Abolish_Nukes@reddit
What is the biggest reason for your “shock.”
Emergency_Rooster664@reddit
Apparently the weather in Finland (the winter) is horrible. Go back to the USA and be happy.
Single-Pudding3865@reddit
What has helped me when I retuned back after 6 years abroad was to treat it as you come to a new country. you have been away for some time and the country, your old friends and family and yourself has changed. Some old friends were still there, but I also looked for new friends, establishing new networks e.g. through participation in associations, at work in school, in children’s school ets. It is often tougher to return home because you think you know everything when in practice societies and friends have changed.
Plenty-Device-4718@reddit
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Mysterious-Class-474@reddit
This happens to everyone, you will adjust. How long it takes depends on you.
why_no_names_left_@reddit
My parents did. Came to US from UK at 6 yrs old. Was supposed to be a three year stint and then rerun home. I’m now 44 yrs and still in the US.
No_Conversation6100@reddit
“Westerners being wingy thread” - live your life and give up “main character” complex
Northern_Lights_2@reddit
Southern Mail by Antoine de Saint-Exupery perfectly captures this feeling. For me, no, I’ve never been the same or felt quite the same again when I’ve returned to the country where I grew up. There are places in the world that definitely feel more like home, though.
u/fherbj described things really well.
SkipSemesters@reddit (OP)
I liked my space, lifestyle, the sun, economic opportunities. I went back home because my visa ended and I felt like I was ready for something new/to go back, also never jived that much with Americans outside a couple people and my boyfriend. I kind of underrated how much I changed since I left. I also left a relationship that was less than a year old. It started casual but got increasingly serious up until my departure date. This less about America itself and more so about do people ever end up “re-patting” after moving back home to the same country they left.
SlippingAway@reddit
Every person is different. I know of people who came back happily home and got used to it again. In my case, I knew I was not going to stay home since the first time I lived abroad.
In the end, my life mission was to find the place where people would just get me and viceversa. I always knew I didn’t fit at home.
Worthy_Molecule0481@reddit
Did you find that place?
SlippingAway@reddit
I have found at least three that I’m compatible with. I’m on my (hopefully) last destination. 🙂
fherbj@reddit
Honestly, there is a semi real answer to this and it is no, you will not really re-pat. Or it takes a long, long time. The idea of multicultural and monocultural pertains mostly to people , and is often misused for societies. Welcome, you are now multicultural. Things are more relative, you changed that way in basic terms just from learning that a lot of never considered defaults can be different. Things don't have to be one way. Even big things like cities or politeness etc. you know several "normals" form weather to people...you have different reference points and local knowledge that you gained also.
If you spend another ten, twenty, thirty years in Finland, yes it will not matter much anymore. Though you might still miss and long for some things.
For me it means there is always something that is better and worse elsewhere but it also made me much more appreciative of the things that are good in my home country, where I currently don't live but I sometimes catch myself thinking it would be alright. So maybe focus on that instead of the stuff that is better elsewhere.
Away-Huckleberry-735@reddit
Yes!!! I spent enough time in Norway in my 20’s to have had them constantly in mind as I’ve gone thru life. I’m always over the moon to find Lefse, brunost, a Norwegian authors book, or a heart shaped waffle maker, Kransekake, etc. So, yes, the repat designation of “international “ is real and long lasting. At least it has been for me.
CuriosTiger@reddit
I was going to write something about how it's also attitudes and opinions and points of view. About wishing people around you would at least TRY to see things from more than one perspective.
But naw. I just want some brunost now. On a slice of real kneippbrød. Or on a vaffel.
Away-Huckleberry-735@reddit
Brunost!!! 😜
fherbj@reddit
That's a nice example, made me smile because yes we carry a deep fondness for these little things! And I believe that you probably also had some subtle changes in how you interact with the world in various situations that carried on through life as well.
Chinacat_Sunflower72@reddit
Sometimes when I can't sleep (here in the USA) I put on Finnish internet radio and listen to tho voices saying I have absolutely no idea - can't even recognize one word. But it puts me easily right to sleep. What a language!!
Babysfirstbazooka@reddit
went to the UK from Vancouver in 2004, then back to Vancouver in 2024. Still adjusting, even though I grew up here.
ArtVice@reddit
US born, moved to UK in middle age, went back to US for six years, now back in the UK. Feel like nowhere is "home" but very glad to be back in England. America is dead to me.
Over-Attempt-1461@reddit
Any good advice for a US born middle ages with family moving to the UK this year?
ArtVice@reddit
Call them trousers instead of pants. Seriously though, you'll be fine. There are some differences in people here depending where you end up. Be humble, polite and say "sorry" even if someone else bumps into you. Good luck!
phillyphilly19@reddit
Given how us Americans are so disillusioned, it would be refreshing to hear what you miss about being here.
HVP2019@reddit
I am European in US. California’s weather have been strong enough reason to stay
blantdebedre@reddit
Isn't it disgustingly hot?
Bettinatizzy@reddit
California has hot deserts - Death Valley for one - (and even sand dunes!), and very high Sierra mountains where avalanches occur… within a 90 minute drive of each other. Sequoia and Redwood National Parks boast many of the tallest trees in the world. California’s Central Valley is one of the most fertile and productive agricultural regions on earth. Then there are the wine regions in Napa, Sonoma, San Luis Obispo and more. The state has some of best surf areas in the world and a coast that’s rich with marine life.
Yeah, it’s hot and cold and wet and very, very much alive.
SpecialDesigner5571@reddit
The inland valleys are hot, I lived in the San Fernando Valley (Van Nuys). Hot!
Al_Kydah@reddit
Cali is HUUUGE! Sierra Nevadas mountains, the lost coast, Morro Bay/central coast, San Diego....all what I would call "ideal" regarding day to day weather. I lived in the San Joaquin Valley (Hanford, Visalia, Tulare) for twenty years. Hot, cloudless, but no humidity for 9 months, 3 months of fog. But I loved it. Relatively cheap, a gas tank away from snow skiing/mountain camping, Pismo/Morro Bay. 1/2 day drive to Frisco or LA or the Mojave.
Nouveau1989@reddit
You lived there for to 20 years but never learned to not call it "Cali"?
dntw8up@reddit
You lived in CA for 20 years but never learned to not call SF “Frisco”?
Nouveau1989@reddit
Why replying to me? I don't say that.
HVP2019@reddit
I tend to be more precise in my descriptions.
So use the strongest adjectives for the most extreme cases.
If I were to describe weather in California as disgustingly hot how would I call places what are hotter and more humid than California weather?
I don’t describe weather in my country of origin as “terribly cold” because there are many countries where weather is colder.
blantdebedre@reddit
Maybe obscenely or appallingly hot? God-awful scorchingly ablaze? Last time I was in Mallorca it was well over 40 celsius. It was like being roasted alive in a furnace.
Patient_Leopard421@reddit
San Diego is the southernmost large city. The highest daily average is in August at 25c. And it's dry. Only two days a year are over 32.
It'll be slightly warmer over the next two years due to El Nino.
I can't imagine anyone calling that God awful.
It's like Costa del Sol in Spain but with a marine layer like Lisbon.
There's a few places inland that are warmer but they're not populous.
HVP2019@reddit
I am not native English speaker and I would never have guessed which of those 3 describe the hottest weather.
phillyphilly19@reddit
Exactly. SF, LA, and SD each have completely different climates. And don't forget inland vs coastal. You can be on the beach in SD, and visit the snow in Big Bear.
cptninc@reddit
California is large, so simple descriptors without additional context aren’t useful. California has both hot desert and cold ski resorts.
To give an idea of scale, the northern border of CA is about 850 miles north of its southern border. This is about the same distance as from Sicily to Berlin.
calif4511@reddit
California is in a class apart from most of the rest of the United States. If I had my way, we would be our own nation and the seventh largest economy in the world.
baby_budda@reddit
Just go to Spain or Portugal. Its very similar.
gremlinguy@reddit
Beautiful countries, to be sure. But the comparison is very superficial. California wilderness is vast and genuinely dangerous. Within the Iberian peninsula, I'd argue that it is difficult for a capable person to even get truly lost or unable to find civilization, but that happens regularly in California. In Spain, real nature, untouched by man, is almost impossible to find. Even in the deepest forest you may find some old terrace wall or shepherd's hut, but in California you could find yourself dozens of miles from even a dirt logging road. There are still places there which no human has ever seen.
The Rockies are also not comparable to the Pyrenees. They are just magnitudes more vast and massive.
Does California have the same biomes as Spain? Beach, mountain, forest, desert, prairie... sure! But they are not the same.
baby_budda@reddit
His comment was about not wanting to leave california because of thecweather; not being able to disappear into the wilderness for days without seeing another human being. Thats your thing.
oughtabeme@reddit
Same. I go back to Europe at least once a year to see aging family, and it’s always nice to know I’m outta here in 12 more days, 11 more days, 10 more days….we’re spoiled rotten here. Gas stations open 24/7 and multiple of them within 2 miles. Freeways, be in a totally different environment 100 miles away in 2 hrs drive.
mousekonijn@reddit
Those are the big massive differences 100 % and it takes a long long time to shake that. But not impossible
SweetAlyssumm@reddit
California gets in your blood. I grew up in the Midwest (with weather not unlike Finland) and now could never give up the California weather, Nature, informality, and diversity (including food).
Good luck with your decision.
HVP2019@reddit
All of this, plus with time I was fortunate to gain family, friends here.
As an immigrant I learned not to discuss importance of having family/friends. Not every immigrant is fortunate to reestablish personal connections after losing many old one.
phillyphilly19@reddit
I'm on the East Coast and dreamed of living in Italy, but I could just as easily live in California if I could afford it.
NotsoNewtoGermany@reddit
I can attest to this. Monterey raised. Boring place to live, but the scenery is drama.
Stu_Free@reddit
According to the Worldpopulationreview, Finland ranks number 1 on their World Happiness Score, while the U.S. ranks 24th. I’d trade places with you in a heartbeat - I’m dying to hear why you think the U.S. is better. Are you politically far right?
DutchieinUS@reddit
I moved back home 2 years ago after living in the US for 5 years, never regretted it. Happy to be back home.
mousekonijn@reddit
Im moving back this year after 27 years in the States and I know I will have big regrets at first and massive adjusting in front of me and im still exited for this decision and I'm ready to embrace 1 or 2 years of internal struggles to come out feeling happy ❤️
Stuffthatpig@reddit
Back in NL? I'm at 8 months of being back in the states and plotting my return.
DutchieinUS@reddit
Yes, back in the NL
mousekonijn@reddit
I'm moving back to Netherlands after 27 years in the States upcoming summer and I foresee hard times adjusting but I'm also excited. I think customer service , speed of things and space will be huge factors as well as being able to buy anything you need in store till 11 pm or later. I am saying to myself to take 2 years to get back into it . Like you once we leave it's game over , no going back without a us passport. 4 months is a very short time. Give yourself time to be sad be angry be questioning all your decisions and realize everywhere you go you leave something behind where you left and pick something up where you arrived . And focus on the good. It will all be ok. You are where you need to be even if it takes a minute to accept it. ❤️
HylanderUS@reddit
I spent 15 years in the US, moved back to Germany last year, and then noped the hell back to the US after 3 months. I don't really fit in with Germans anymore
MyNutsAreWalnuts@reddit
I am also Finnish and as you can see from my flair, I've been bouncing around quite a bit. This time me staying abroad will be permanent, I will not move back to Finland. I personally cannot handle the weather or the smallness of the country and the list of things that come with both. I am happy abroad and will only return to visit family from time to time. I would go and try other European countries to see what it feels like and if you can get more out of living somewhere else than back home. And if not, Finland is a great place to live so nothing lost there :)
Professional_Team438@reddit
I’m planning for a move from Spain to Florida. Need a more business friendly place and can’t live without sun and heat.
BlushHeat@reddit
if I had a euro for every time I thought about moving back after experiencing culture shock, I could fund a whole new life in a different country, don’t rush it, just invest in some good Finnish sauna time while you figure it out
Edi-Iz@reddit
Re-entry shock is so real :) I went through something similar after a few years abroad. Most people I know don’t move back immediately they give themselves some time to adjust, figure out work/life balance, and see what really matters. Giving it a couple years sounds like a good plan!
BobcatSpiritual7699@reddit
I'm the opposite...every time I have to visit America these days I'm climbing the walls to get back to Europe.
mad3617@reddit
In theory, re-adapting to your home country is more difficult than adapting to life abroad. I did it twice.
CuriosTiger@reddit
The US is not perfect.
Neither is Finland.
No matter which one you choose, you'll find things you'll miss about the other one.
Source: Moved from Norway to the US. I also lived a few years in Austria. And I've figured out that I can have a pretty good life in all of those countries, but what really matters are the people you surround yourself with.
Electrical-Check6741@reddit
100% this xx
JanMikh@reddit
Torilla tavataan! 😂
grugling@reddit
I did! Was not my plan but I left the US (moved for college from Hungary) to live in Italy just to end up marrying an American (not married anymore haha) and move back. I love my life here now WAY more than my life in Italy.
NoIGnoTwitsNOtktk@reddit
Culture shock goes in both directions. Odd to experience it that way. But that’s life.
Past_Cloud7485@reddit
Busy-Sheepherder-138@reddit
My husband moved us from So Cal back to Western Sweden after 23 years in the states. It’s a huge adjustment but give it time and you will figure it out. We’d never go back. It’s far too much of a rat race.
454k30@reddit
I lived in Japan for three years. It was never meant to be a permanent move, but upon returning to the USA I felt like I’d gone to different universe. I don’t think it had changed much, I just noticed things more than I did before. That feeling has calmed down a lot after 6 years, but I still find myself trying to replicate some of the experiences I enjoyed in Japan.
Bertolandia@reddit
I went back to my home country for two years, but it didn’t work out. Maybe it was because it was during COVID, or because I wasn’t in my hometown, but neither my wife nor I liked it, so we moved to Australia.
bedake@reddit
What's the reverse shock you are having about? I feel like most prefer Europe...
Low_Assignment_2908@reddit
I thought the same! I thought they would be more relieved than anything
RoundAd4247@reddit
Shit Americans say. OP is entitled to reverse culture shock, even if they returned to the “happiest country on earth “.
Low_Assignment_2908@reddit
It was just a shock. Nothing serious. It’s rare for anyone to say anything positive about America these days.
bedake@reddit
Nobody said they aren't, we just asked what their thoughts were shut the fuck up nerd
RoundAd4247@reddit
Europe is 44 different countries, each with their own peculiarities. Which you would know had you ever been to “Europe”, let alone born in a European country.
Worldly_Advisor9650@reddit
I lived in the US until I was 19, I moved to a Latin American country and lived there all through my 20s and well into my 30s. I married someone there pretty soon after I arrived and was thoroughly immersed in thr culture. I've been back in the Midwest for 4 years now. For quite some time I felt out of place, some times I still do. I still speak Spanish at home and even a ton at work. I eat the same as I did when I was away and sometimes I find I don't identify so easily with locals despite being one myself.
RoundAd4247@reddit
The reverse culture shock is very common, I think everyone returning back to their country of origin experiences the same. There’s literature about it to help you gather your feelings and make sense of your reactions.
I think it helps adjusting back to be specific about the things that feel odd back home.
Since both you and I are Finns, based on my experience there are some specific things going on when returning from the “great wide world” back to a small country, with our small language. At least this is my experience having lived in bigger countries, in the US and also in the EU. For one thing you’re suddenly surrounded everywhere by the language you didn’t hear abroad at all. It’s not just your “secret” language with which you communicate with family and friends you left behind. Everything feels very small scale (even in our biggest “cities” as they were). And nothing feels exciting because it really is the good old boring Finland.
On the other hand, you weren’t gone that long. A lot of Finns nowadays spend a few years abroad studying or working. Also those that stayed home have grown and experienced interesting stuff while you were gone. I think a common mistake (young) returning expats make is that they were having important life experiences abroad while all the rest back home stayed on hold. Dont be that “expat”.
I guess you’re quite young, but you should know Finns used to make a lot of fun about Finns who spent a short time abroad and pretended to forget their native language and customs. Like Finnish exchange students asking “how do you say x English words” after a semester in Minnesota. Google Andy mc coy Amsterdam for the most beautiful example of a returning “expat.
Sufficient-Job7098@reddit
Do you think that winter in Finland makes things worse especially if your US location was significantly more sunny?
SkipSemesters@reddit (OP)
10000%
KostyaFedot@reddit
You are spoiled. From perspective of person who left country beside Finland.
HighwaySetara@reddit
I lived in Ireland for a year a loooong time ago, and my main reverse culture shock was around gun violence. Watching the news it seemed like it was just one shooting after another. Also was more aware of the convenience culture in the US.
StriderKeni@reddit
I went back home after living abroad for ~3 years. I ended up moving again. Not to the same country, though.
I love my home country, and I don’t close the doors to moving back in the future, but I missed so much that feeling of adventure and life abroad that I ended up moving again after 1 year.
expatforward@reddit
I'd want to know what actually brought you back. External pressure and practical reasons versus genuine desire to be home, that usually tells you if waiting two years makes sense or if you're just forcing something that doesn't work for you anymore. Pay attention to what specifically feels wrong now. That's what will tell you if this passes or if you've outgrown home
Beginning_Show7066@reddit
I did! Although our return home was never intended to be permanent, more of a test to see if it could work. It did not. I left for a different country for a while (where I also would have happily stayed) and then ultimately ended up back in the US. I knew very quickly that it wasn’t for me. I sometimes wonder if I should have stayed longer but I honestly think the answer would have been the same.
allergicturtle@reddit
You'll feel better at around 6-8 months, it does get easier.
awajitoka@reddit
For what it's worth, I spent one year in Japan and moved back to the States - it was never meant to be determinant. Took me six months to get acclimated back to life in the States. This was 30 years ago, so things are bit different now I admit. Not sure if this helps, but you should definitely give it some time.