Preworkout is a litmus test to mark gullible, midwit consoomers. Creatine and caffeine are the only ingredients that matter, and you can take them cheaper and more effectively from other sources.
Other common litmus tests include the Golden Ratio, cold plunges, FLAC audio, and Meyers-Briggs Type Indicators
Was a dj. If you try playing lower quality files of songs through big sound systems you can definitely tell the difference. FLAC was always the best choice but couldn't always find FLAC versions for certain songs and would have to use lower quality sometimes.
Played fucking huge stages in my time and the amount of people who actually give a fuck in the crowd are very few. A lot of big touring djs using 320s and wavs
Trust me it isn't. I left full time performing just before the pandemic, I miss playing to crowds but I do not miss the industry or the middle aged guys who condescendingly try to teach you your job
Also don't think that fancy pioneer gear is much different from a fucking iPhone app. It has auto mix for fucks sake 🤣 every mainline mixer now has a compression circuit and limiters. Vinyl is objectively lower quality, and basically impossible for it to have stereo bass because of the limitations of the medium, and all the records are being mastered in digital anyway before they get cut to wax. I'm yet to hear a single good argument for not just picking a music format which works for you and meets the most basic requirements.
The point of vinyl definitely isn't shit quality. One point my collection was nearly 3000 records, not sure I need you to educate me on the value of the format 🤣
The discussion is about "is there a noticeable difference between FLAC and MP3 audio formats". I think the answer is more nuanced than just "FLACs always sound better and I can always tell" as compression techniques have gotten more advanced, as well as different genres of music will gain more from the lack of compression in a FLAC. That being said, on average, I believe a FLAC will have a noticabley different sound than an MP3 in regards to the "ammount of space" between the frequencies of sound to those that can tell the difference when using high quality headphones.
In your case, it sounds like most of your audience didn't notice the difference, so that worked for you, and that's great! It could also be the case that for live performances of the type of music you were playing or even the type of venue and how the accoustics (or lack thereof) morphs the sound, there was no discernable difference. It could also be the case that the audio quality and mixing on the FLAC versions of the music you used made it indiscernable from the MP3 because someone fucked up or didn't care/know, or their MP3 encoding was extremely high quality.
To be fair with some song so can tell the difference on like 30 dollar Bluetooth ear buds. Idk if this is an encoding quirk or just the flac and mp3 being a different mix but I feel like(on Spotify) I’ve noticed that sfx in songs is a lot more clear with the lossless mode. Like I’ve been listening to some Kate bush and talking heads for a while and like some like rain or wind effects that are noticeable with lossless are indistinguishable with the comprssed format
Most bluetooth earbuds (and definitely not at 30 bucks) will not even play true lossless though, you will be stuck at AAC or SBC codec unless you have LDAC, which isnt lossless either
I played everything from sweaty basements with 200 ppl to a 15k stage at glasto, it doesn't matter. Anything below 320 is noticeable, my music was whatever format I had it in, 320, wav, flac, aiff, really doesn't matter. When you're a performing artist, there is a minimum bar to sound quality, and whatever front of house is doing is going to matter FAR more than if you're playing flac or even a shittier encoded MP3.
Ok but what if the original sound sample is recorded in 256, then encoded in 320? In a sweaty basement with 200 people, can you tell the difference between the different steps in MP3 despite how the sound morphs at really high volumes? It might be the case that 320 MP3s are indiscernable and I just haven't listened to enough of them. You're probably much more experienced with audio than I am, and tbh, I've not really dug deep on the bitrates of the audio I'm listening to, but rather the file extension. That being said, the majority of MP3s I've heard have noticeably different sound than FLACs in my opinion.
The crowd might not care but as a DJ I want to present the music I love in the best possible way. Plus 90% of the crowd don’t consciously know but it has an affect on them, they dance harder.
I do play in a genre that is all about audio quality and detail though
I started in open format, then was specific genre for a long time. I think you guys are missing im not saying you can play shit youtube rips, but the difference between flac and a 320 mp3 is basically 0 on a huge rig, but that would also be asking DJs to have basic reading comprehension so i should definitely know better
It’s how i know definitely don’t have the audio autism. I’ll be listening to streamers, and the chat is like ahhh the mic is peaking and I’ve never noticed
Put most of these self-appointed audiophiles in blind testing, and they'll fail to tell apart FLAC from 320 mp3.
yes, and?
flac is about listening to lossless audio at a reasonable size because you can.
if you dont care then encode your music at 128 kbps mpeg audio layer 2, the difference is minimal.
Lossless formats are important because otherwise they'll start to sound like shit over time as they get shared more. People still think that all video quality looked like shit in the early 2000's even though there was plenty of high quality recordings. It was all recorded with lossy bullshit though, so unless you can find a direct source it's gonna look awful.
What the fuck are you talking about? The quality is only reduced when there is a reencoding, and that happens for both lossless and lossy sources.
Also, digital video quality was literally shit in the early 2000’s. Good quality video was recorded in analog, which by definition required a lossy conversion to be available digitally.
Yes, what I meant is that if you reencode an originally lossless format to a lossy format, you’d also lose quality/information. That’s why I specified ‘source’. It sounds trivial, but given the previous message it seems like it is not for everyone.
Back in like 2014 I was still huge into ripping my own library. Ripping the CDs using EAC, FLAC format, etc etc. One time I was browsing one of my forums and saw someone had posted a bunch of still taken directly from the iTunes Store. Like legit purchases that were then DRM-stripped and uploaded. I grabbed a few albums just to compare, and the 320 AACs from iTunes sounded better across the board than my FLAC files.
That was around the time I gave up on the audio quality dick measuring contest.
iTunes sounded better across the board than my FLAC files.
There could be mastering differences for various releases, so that could be the factor there. But yeah, max bitrate encodings for lossy formats is pretty much identical to lossless.
Apple / red lost me shortly after they launched. I realized I didn’t like collecting music as much as I liked discovering new music and been around RYM/AOTY more, I like the community aspect of sharing new music.
But after almost 10 years I’m looking to grow music collection and collect as hobby and realized how much I miss WCD and the clones after lol
Flac audio is like really good collagen filled soup that is naturally viscous. 320 kbps is like instant soup for instant noodles. The lower you go the more watery it is.
I thought it was bullshit until I watched a movie with really good soundmixing and lossless audio on an excellent home theater setup. I could definitely hear the difference between lossy and lossless audio then. Unfortunately I can't afford that so I enjoy splashing around in the mud with my compressed mp3s until I win the lottery or something some day.
90% of high end audio garbage is complete bullshit, but higher quality files like FLAC absolutely sound better than low bitrate and/or lossy formats.
If I pop a song on YouTube with my good midrange speaker setup, then switch over go FLAC, I can definitely hear a distinct difference. It's especially in the high range. On a track that's something like an acoustic guitar and it's got the high pitched squeaks as the player moves their hand, on lossless files, it's more "crisp" sounding.
Throw the song in a noisy room, on crappy speakers or choose a song that's poorly mixed, and it's almost impossible to tell a high bitrate lossy and lossless file apart though, so I can definitely see why people say this.
I know absolutely nothing about audio, but i do 3d and video editing and the point of extremely high quality formats is usually not consumption, but having enough data for editing not to break the image, I would assume the purpose of flac is the same?
What are you saying exactly? I'm struggling a bit to follow how the golden ratio is pseudo-science, I mean beauty isn't something that can be measured easily beyond surveying people. I think there is evidence that people do find things featuring the golden ratio beautiful.
I’m saying that it obviously doesn’t have a fundamental link to beauty and the processes of trying to establish that it does are ‘tarded and pseudoscientific at best.
So you're not claiming that the golden ratio isn't beautiful, you're claiming that attempts to objectively prove the golden ratio is beautiful is pseudo-science?
If so, I would agree because beauty is a subjective human experience so it's impossible to objectively prove something is beautiful because it's not properly falsifiable (or, maybe it's permanently falsifiable because there's always going to be someone who just says "that's ugly" and it's impossible to prove they're lying).
That said, just because we can't prove it objectively doesn't mean that we can't prove that humans generally find certain things more beautiful than others through scientific surveys. I think this is probably what people mean when they claim the golden ratio causes something to be beautiful, because on average people tend to find things with the golden ratio more beautiful than things without it therefore the golden ratio creates beauty. Would you argue that mountains and oceans aren't beautiful because we can't measure their beauty scientifically? Or maybe I'm still missing your point.
I'm not saying it isn't beautiful, but I am saying it's beautiful in the same way that a circle is beautiful, which is to say there is nothing especially beautiful about it.
because on average people tend to find things with the golden ratio more beautiful than things without it
This is very clearly not true. Not only is it not supported by any real evidence, but it doesn't even sound plausible at all.
I just had Claude deep research do a meta analysis on the topic. Honestly, it did find less evidence supporting my view than I expected, so I'm willing to cede the point and agree that there isn't a lot of robust evidence supporting the claim that humans find the golden ratio more beautiful than similar ratios. However, it's clearly not complete bullshit because there has been some evidence found over the years and the fact that this much research has been done on the subject clearly indicates that it's plausible.
Just because a paper states a link doesn't mean there is real evidence that there is one. Don't just look at the stated conclusion, look at what the actual experiment was and what data they got. Abstracts and conclusions are intentionally designed to mislead, they serve as marketing for a paper. Believe it or not, I'm actually an author on a morphological aesthetics paper and I know firsthand what kind of bs gets published in that field.
You're absolutely right, though this argument can be used against literally any finding in any field. I agree the evidence is somewhere between minimal to non-existent I'm just pointing out that calling people complete idiots for thinking there's something there is harsh. It's not obviously false on the level of flat earth or astrology. If you had to bet, would you put everything you have down on the fact that it's 100% false? I doubt it. There are an enormous number of human theories that live on this gradient between robust concrete evidence and conflicting evidence that when averaged out is a tiny to non-existent measurable effect. Yes, many of them will turn out to be wrong but clearly not all of them.
All that said, at the end of the day I 100% agree it's stupid to apply the golden ratio to art thinking you're learning something about the nature of beauty. Humans are satisfied imperceptively differently through a large range of surrounding ratios, they only really start having preferences at extremes. Artists use it because it's a convenient system to layout a fractal spiral if their art incorporates that. It does look pretty, but so do perfect circles and every other mathematical pattern.
Some of us just like a fun little ritual. It’s not that serious. I agree with you on the important ingredients although I do love the beta-alanine tingles. If I ever get to a point where I need to be more careful spending I’ll probably cut it out but while it fits the budget I’ll enjoy my fun flavoured ritual.
You're obviously retarded. Beta alanine is a stimulant found in most pre workouts that give people that tingling sensation that many take pre-workout for. There's also citrulline that helps your muscles reach that "pump" feeling faster. These may not activately increase your lifts, but the sensations mentally improve your workouts.
False: The core ingredients in most pre-workouts are caffeine (energy), beta-alanine (endurance), creatine (strength), and citrulline (pump/blood flow).
To better grift morons impressed by big words and ncbi abstracts.
The supplement industry is notorious for being lazy, under-regulated, and misleading. And your uncritical acceptance of their claims makes you a good consoomer
So because they listed discrete miligram amounts, then it must mean that everything is a therapeutic dose, provides meaningful effects, and can be taken together the same time as a singular dose before an unspecified workout.
Surely they wouldn't make claims about these ingredients that misrepresent or overextrapolate from the body of research. Or just inaccurately label the ingredients/quantities because no FDA oversight lmao
After creatine and caffeine, you’re either overpaying for something that can be readily found in a good diet, or you’re receiving a sub, therapeutic dose, or increasingly negligible benefits.
And depending on the loading cycle for creatine, most pre-workout is shitty at that as well
Np, creatine does definitely work if your dose and schedule are good. I personally don't like the feeling of bloat. Also, if you don't frontload the heavy work you're using creatine for, then you're going to burn up all the ATP it provided
Huge respect for speaking the truth about FLACs, 320kbps mp3s are transparent and are impossible to tell apart for 98% of the population. People are delusional.
Tell me you don’t know anything about preworkout without telling me. The other ingredients don’t do nothing, whether or not you enjoy their benefit is one thing, but I for one enjoy the benefits of the citrulline and beta alanine and noticeably get better pumps and can workout harder when I take pre workout versus just straight caffeine
Lmao you went and took my worst lift and used that as your point? You also probably are the type to care purely about bench number since you probably are a fat 250lb slob.
Plus, my profile activity is hidden, which meant you went and manually searched for that. That’s pretty fucking sad dude.
I have literally never spent a dime on pre workouts, protein powders, or any other magic potions, and I outlift 95% of people I see in the gym. Same goes with gym “lifestyle” clothing brands (YoungLA, Gymshark, etc.). All just ways to separate fools from their money.
I lift in cotton tshirts, shorts, and vans. Nothing looks dumber than showing up in $300 worth of branded clothing with a tub of preworkout, BCAAs, and a level belt, just to squat 135 lol
Protein powder can be helpul bu5 is not neccesary. Creatine is just a pure benefit. And if you are someone who can actually lift heavy a belt is something thats worth looking into. The only item that I think everyone would benefit from are lifting straps.
Don’t disagree on creatine (though to me it’s mainly a bodybuilding thing for appearance). Don’t disagree on belts either, my point was mainly that a custom lever belt is something to invest in once you’ve already progressed through beginner gains.
Heavy disagree on lifting straps, except under very specific circumstances. Grip strength is a huge weak point of many lifters and most strength athletes would be best off avoiding using straps as much as possible.
I think it's best to train grip separately. Realistically your back and your legs will be stronger than your grip. Not being able to go close to failure, because your grip gives put before your back is counterproductive imo.
And me and other top lifters take pre workout and outlift you, your point? It’s not a necessary tool to make progress but it’s an additive to make it more enjoyable and has benefits that make it easier to take a workout farther.
And I’m sorry do you just wear nothing to the gym? You wear jeans? You’re really judging people for wearing gym clothes… to the gym? Just because you do it your way doesn’t mean you have to be a hater on others. Let people live their life
95% was being…generous. I don’t like to get into the dick measuring contest because people lie on the internet, but I bench 4 plates and squat 5 for reps. I maybe encounter 5 people a year that outlift me, and they’re either competitive super heavyweights, or heavily juiced. I highly doubt you outlift me, but if you do, then good for you.
Also, if you were any sort of competitive strength athlete worth their salt, these companies would just sponsor you and send you stuff for free. I very occasionally post my lift on social media and companies reach out to send me shit.
Regardless, it’s not about “living your life”, it’s perpetuating mindless consumerism, and injecting that consumerist lifestyle into a sport/hobby that is pure without it. It perpetuates the environmental and economically unsustainable lifestyles that are slowly killing the western world. It’s gross and you’re easily influenced by marketing.
Any chance you could post some of your lifts to Reddit? I’d be interested to see.
Also when you say 4 plates do you mean total or on both sides? Either way is impressive but I guess 4 plates on both sides would be ridiculously impressive haha
I mean you can easily be lying as well, and also strength is relative. You could be 300lbs, or on steroids, which makes either of those equally less impressive.
So your point as that it’s only worth to get things you enjoy if companies sponsor you? You do know to get sponsors like that, you need to be a public figure right? They don’t sponsor some random lifter at the gym. And competing athletes worth their salt literally use pre workout all the time. You’re just making bullshit up about companies reaching out to you as well.
It is about living your life. You clearly care a lot about other people enjoying things you seem as worthless to you, so you put them down because you think it makes you feel above them. That’s just fucking sad dude
This is a better approach than being a compulsive gear-queer. Focus on fundamentals (rest, proper food, periodized progressive hard training) will beat out this toy-collecting mentality.
I'm not opposed to supplements on principle. Preworkout just spikes to many red flags to be a good idea
You get bro, appreciate it. I’m not saying you can’t get these things if you really want, I’m saying more people would benefit from spending more time in the gym, and perfecting their technique, than browsing the web buying clothes and focusing on which exact brand of BCAAs to buy.
Most people aren’t held back by their gear or supplements, they’re held back by poor technique and just pushing their limits in the gym.
Most people just want to experience different facets of life. They don’t want to ‘tistically hyperfixate on a maximally efficient routine. They end up happier and better off socially than you, on top of receiving the vast majority of the same benefits of lifting that you do.
People like spending money the way they want? It's really that crazy to you that some people prefer buying the higher-quality version of the things they are actively consuming?
I generally live pretty minimalist but buy high-quality stuff when I'm making a longer-term purchase. If you have the money, there's no reason not to buy a better-than-normal belt, or more comfortable gym workout clothes, assuming that you are going to continue using them long-term. The idea that it's somehow mutually exclusive to work on your 'progressive overload' and wear branded clothing is pretty absurd.
Basically you're just saying you're poor. I don't really mean that to be that derogatory, but just say what it is instead of trying to make this elaborate cope about how you're actually just not a mindless consumerist like others because you're wearing le vans in the gym.
It’s not higher quality tho. It’s generic blanks with logos stamped on them made in sweatshops
I choose to invest my money and put it into mega autistic hobbies that hold value or generate positive returns for me. Not buy shit that will end up in a landfill in 3 years.
I'd rather see someone in full gear struggling to squat the bar than have them stay home and not work out at all. Imagine being so insecure that you go about your life being this fixated on what other people wear, what they bring to the gym, and how much they lift. If buying the gear is what motivates them to go do it, more power to them.
The home gym route is GOATed for not only this reason, but also because I can deadlift in my underwear and listen to polka like a maniac and no one is there to stop me.
I really like Gorilla Mind. The founder, Derek, has a degree in biochemistry (or something like that) and posts LONG youtube videos going over the scientific backing of his ingredients, dosage, and even ingredients that he chose not to use. I will be honest, his brand has expanded a lot in the past few years and some of their newer products may be snake oil. But his flagship pre-workout is very good.
You're right for the most part but some of the better preworkouts have amino acids that can help slightly. Citrulline and beta alanine are the ones that come to mind. Mind you I'm no biochemist.
You can take beta alanine separately. I take it daily specially for road cycling performance. It’s actually not effective if you only take for workouts.
I use a non-stim preworkout and can assure you there are other ingredients than caffeine in good preworkout. Obvi depends if you like the beta alanine tinglies or not
A few years back I got into buying the ingredients separately and mixing them together to make my own PWO. It was always fucking gritty and no matter how I adjusted the amount of non-stims I couldn't get the crawling ants the way a regular pre-mixed tub that tastes like the pussy of one of those AI fruit chicks does.
Hold up - what's placebo about the golden ratio? It's a neat math phenomenon, with cool examples that cross over into pure sciences like biology. Unless there's something else that shares the name, in which case I'm wholly unfamiliar with it.
Not from my experience. You don't to buy the first pre workout mix you see, people are allowed to compare ingredients and find one that works better for them. Calling it a litmus test is insane lmao but whatever.
math ratio gets incorrectly shoehorned everywhere. Pothead philosopher-kings and pseuds cite it as evidence of some sublime mathematical order of the universe.
Then you had the dmaa stuff that use to be around in a few different mixes.
No idea whats around now, as I dont lift, but I find it hard to imagine this trend just stopped as it seemed to only be building about 10-15 years ago.
I think a few companies got into legal trouble by the 2010's and the meth-like ingredients got phased out. Gas station boner pills still somehow have alarming ingredients in them
It's $1 a serving for caffeine, creatine, beta alinine etc. and it tastes good sometimes. Ive found it motivating and a nice part of the pre gym "ritual". Outside of buying separate supplements you can't really come close in price/convenience.
I think it's overblown how massive of a "scam" it is. It's convenient and cheap. It is cheaper from them to make but as is everything or businesses wouldn't make money. I'll happily pay $300-400 a year for the convenience alone.
This is absolutely true. I've had 2 preworkouts sitting there for well over a year and used them a lot in the late 2010s. It's definitely the same shit as a tall black coffee but with added face/hair tingles. The tingles are probably just a placebo to think things are working right. I still use them sometimes, won't buy again when it's done.
FLAC and WAV is real though. You can certainly hear music clipping and distorting at loud volumes when it's an MP3 or Spotify quality. You will never get me swapping to spotify over my local Strawberry Music Player assortment of rutracker FLAC and WAV progressive rock/fusion ripped from Japanese SACD releases.
Home is good for routine, but if you want a charcuterie board of diverse flavor, then the locker room is where it’s at. Both have a place in the consooming gymrats diet.
All the dudes I know that would take pre-workout ended up quitting working out. The only people I know who continue to work out out are those who just raw dogged working out no matter the motivation level.
The only time I’ve taken pre-workout is when the place I order protein powder from shipped me free samples with my order (like 1 or 2 single serving packets)
beta-alanine if you like the tingling sensation (tolerance builds up rather quickly in my experience), some shit im to lazy to lookup for blood flow (arginine?) but you can just put ~2g of salt into whatever you drink during for the same effect
so no real reason in my opinion other than if you find a product you like the taste of and dont care about the money. thats how i treat my preworkout atleast
I like to tell tweakers that meth makes you gay, via some vaguely sciencey sounding bullshit. It pisses them off to a ridiculous degree.
"Studies from the University of Oklahoma indicate that those who use methamphetamine are 2.3x more likely to engage in homosexual activity", that sorta shit. Try it sometime.
I used to do heroin before the gym. Granted I used do heroin before everything, but these chuds needed pre and I was mainlining gods silliest feeling before stacking plates
Yeah, been sober for years thanks lol. It was such a funny juxtaposition between being a deluded drug addict but still thinking the gym would offset anything lmao
Did you get the promised increase in length, width and endurance associated with penile enarglement, flatulence retention, and post-mature ejaculation, measurable in half pints?
I only add 4oz of water and an extra scoop of beta alanine and it works fine. Flavor is strong, I control how much water weight I'm holding, and the additional scoop of beta alanine gives me an extra kick to help me do my full body workout.
fifththrowaway@reddit
Preworkout is a litmus test to mark gullible, midwit consoomers. Creatine and caffeine are the only ingredients that matter, and you can take them cheaper and more effectively from other sources.
Other common litmus tests include the Golden Ratio, cold plunges, FLAC audio, and Meyers-Briggs Type Indicators
ClozetSkeleton@reddit
FLAC audio is real.
rowdymatt64@reddit
100%, I'm jealous of people who don't notice the difference
AzhdarianHomie@reddit
FLAC is nice but it’s just WAV that allows you to embed album art.
LobsterShlong@reddit
Was a dj. If you try playing lower quality files of songs through big sound systems you can definitely tell the difference. FLAC was always the best choice but couldn't always find FLAC versions for certain songs and would have to use lower quality sometimes.
whitcliffe@reddit
Played fucking huge stages in my time and the amount of people who actually give a fuck in the crowd are very few. A lot of big touring djs using 320s and wavs
jbasinger@reddit
Aren't wav files raw? No compression should keep it perfect, right? I'm not an audio guy but am a computer guy haha
casino_r0yale@reddit
WAV is twice the size of FLAC that guy is a moron
whitcliffe@reddit
Yeah basically, but you're now entering the world of audio quality and it only gets more retarded from here on out
jbasinger@reddit
That makes sense because then it's only as good as the recording equipment, I would guess?
whitcliffe@reddit
Yup. rabbit hole keeps rabbiting. Wait till you get into the relationship between room humidity and condenser mic response curves
jbasinger@reddit
Haha sounds almost fun!
whitcliffe@reddit
Trust me it isn't. I left full time performing just before the pandemic, I miss playing to crowds but I do not miss the industry or the middle aged guys who condescendingly try to teach you your job
nondescriptzombie@reddit
A lot of big touring DJ's today are hot influencer girls with an iPhone and a bluetooth media adapter....
whitcliffe@reddit
Also don't think that fancy pioneer gear is much different from a fucking iPhone app. It has auto mix for fucks sake 🤣 every mainline mixer now has a compression circuit and limiters. Vinyl is objectively lower quality, and basically impossible for it to have stereo bass because of the limitations of the medium, and all the records are being mastered in digital anyway before they get cut to wax. I'm yet to hear a single good argument for not just picking a music format which works for you and meets the most basic requirements.
_Empty-R_@reddit
vinyl IS lower quality. that's actually the point. like cassettes vinyls add a characteristic to the sound. mong.
whitcliffe@reddit
The point of vinyl definitely isn't shit quality. One point my collection was nearly 3000 records, not sure I need you to educate me on the value of the format 🤣
rowdymatt64@reddit
That's not what's being argued though right?
The discussion is about "is there a noticeable difference between FLAC and MP3 audio formats". I think the answer is more nuanced than just "FLACs always sound better and I can always tell" as compression techniques have gotten more advanced, as well as different genres of music will gain more from the lack of compression in a FLAC. That being said, on average, I believe a FLAC will have a noticabley different sound than an MP3 in regards to the "ammount of space" between the frequencies of sound to those that can tell the difference when using high quality headphones.
In your case, it sounds like most of your audience didn't notice the difference, so that worked for you, and that's great! It could also be the case that for live performances of the type of music you were playing or even the type of venue and how the accoustics (or lack thereof) morphs the sound, there was no discernable difference. It could also be the case that the audio quality and mixing on the FLAC versions of the music you used made it indiscernable from the MP3 because someone fucked up or didn't care/know, or their MP3 encoding was extremely high quality.
mrcrabs6464@reddit
To be fair with some song so can tell the difference on like 30 dollar Bluetooth ear buds. Idk if this is an encoding quirk or just the flac and mp3 being a different mix but I feel like(on Spotify) I’ve noticed that sfx in songs is a lot more clear with the lossless mode. Like I’ve been listening to some Kate bush and talking heads for a while and like some like rain or wind effects that are noticeable with lossless are indistinguishable with the comprssed format
TumorInMyBrain@reddit
Most bluetooth earbuds (and definitely not at 30 bucks) will not even play true lossless though, you will be stuck at AAC or SBC codec unless you have LDAC, which isnt lossless either
whitcliffe@reddit
I played everything from sweaty basements with 200 ppl to a 15k stage at glasto, it doesn't matter. Anything below 320 is noticeable, my music was whatever format I had it in, 320, wav, flac, aiff, really doesn't matter. When you're a performing artist, there is a minimum bar to sound quality, and whatever front of house is doing is going to matter FAR more than if you're playing flac or even a shittier encoded MP3.
rowdymatt64@reddit
Ok but what if the original sound sample is recorded in 256, then encoded in 320? In a sweaty basement with 200 people, can you tell the difference between the different steps in MP3 despite how the sound morphs at really high volumes? It might be the case that 320 MP3s are indiscernable and I just haven't listened to enough of them. You're probably much more experienced with audio than I am, and tbh, I've not really dug deep on the bitrates of the audio I'm listening to, but rather the file extension. That being said, the majority of MP3s I've heard have noticeably different sound than FLACs in my opinion.
LausXY@reddit
The crowd might not care but as a DJ I want to present the music I love in the best possible way. Plus 90% of the crowd don’t consciously know but it has an affect on them, they dance harder.
I do play in a genre that is all about audio quality and detail though
whitcliffe@reddit
I started in open format, then was specific genre for a long time. I think you guys are missing im not saying you can play shit youtube rips, but the difference between flac and a 320 mp3 is basically 0 on a huge rig, but that would also be asking DJs to have basic reading comprehension so i should definitely know better
reddiculed@reddit
How’s about 808s and heartbreaks?
EarlMarshal@reddit
The last concerts I was in often sounded like pure garbage for some songs. They should go back to real audio.
Kaneida@reddit
people whining about flac are people that try to hear difference over bluetooth earbuds
SergioSF@reddit
Most people think their beats by dre were high end audio.
ClaudeVS@reddit
Does rekordbox deal with FLAC alright? I'm learning and I was told mp3 was the preferred format.
SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit
Depends on the encoding. MP3 with VBR encoding at max bitrate, you won't tell the difference.
Stunning-Drawer-4288@reddit
It’s how i know definitely don’t have the audio autism. I’ll be listening to streamers, and the chat is like ahhh the mic is peaking and I’ve never noticed
LyrMeThatBifrost@reddit
You can’t tell either in a true blind test. I used to be like you too.
exilus92@reddit
Every serious blind test done so far showed that people can't tell the difference.
ptrakk@reddit
So is
φ=(1+√5)/2aj_thenoob2@reddit
The gap between properly mixed music and not properly mixed music is more than any flac vs mp3 debate.
fifththrowaway@reddit
Put most of these self-appointed audiophiles in blind testing, and they'll fail to tell apart FLAC from 320 mp3.
(Assuming you controlled for the differences in master, volume normalization, and are using modern codecs)
douchebanner@reddit
Lolazaurus@reddit
Lossless formats are important because otherwise they'll start to sound like shit over time as they get shared more. People still think that all video quality looked like shit in the early 2000's even though there was plenty of high quality recordings. It was all recorded with lossy bullshit though, so unless you can find a direct source it's gonna look awful.
equipnegative@reddit
You really have no clue what you are talking about lmao
TheAdurn@reddit
What the fuck are you talking about? The quality is only reduced when there is a reencoding, and that happens for both lossless and lossy sources.
Also, digital video quality was literally shit in the early 2000’s. Good quality video was recorded in analog, which by definition required a lossy conversion to be available digitally.
SenatorCoffee@reddit
The first part is true, the second one isnt. Thats the very definition of lossless. Lossless gives you the exact same binary, its like e.g. zip files.
TheAdurn@reddit
Yes, what I meant is that if you reencode an originally lossless format to a lossy format, you’d also lose quality/information. That’s why I specified ‘source’. It sounds trivial, but given the previous message it seems like it is not for everyone.
SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit
Mate, you don't lose quality by copying a file over file sharing platforms. You'd have to literally re-encode the files in question.
Total_Network6312@reddit
huh
JRedgrove@reddit
https://www.justmastering.com/article-masteredforitunes.php
st0rm__@reddit
I'm not a pleb who pays for music so I don't care, I got more than enough storage so no reason not to go flac really.
NachoNutritious@reddit (OP)
Back in like 2014 I was still huge into ripping my own library. Ripping the CDs using EAC, FLAC format, etc etc. One time I was browsing one of my forums and saw someone had posted a bunch of still taken directly from the iTunes Store. Like legit purchases that were then DRM-stripped and uploaded. I grabbed a few albums just to compare, and the 320 AACs from iTunes sounded better across the board than my FLAC files.
That was around the time I gave up on the audio quality dick measuring contest.
GlitteringFutures@reddit
That probably has more to do with the masters Apple was using and Pre-emphasis on your CDs.
SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit
There could be mastering differences for various releases, so that could be the factor there. But yeah, max bitrate encodings for lossy formats is pretty much identical to lossless.
Summer4Chan@reddit
What.cd
rvanasty@reddit
passthepopcorn
Summer4Chan@reddit
BCG and Gazelle too
rvanasty@reddit
I was hot on Apollo. There were many, many great corners. There are still a few.
Summer4Chan@reddit
Apple / red lost me shortly after they launched. I realized I didn’t like collecting music as much as I liked discovering new music and been around RYM/AOTY more, I like the community aspect of sharing new music.
But after almost 10 years I’m looking to grow music collection and collect as hobby and realized how much I miss WCD and the clones after lol
DelicateElephant@reddit
I miss what and oink so much. Those were fun times.
vikrual@reddit
The new creed cd
douchebanner@reddit
that says more about your competence than anything else.
fearsomesniper@reddit
Those test are always bullshit.
blazefreak@reddit
Flac audio is like really good collagen filled soup that is naturally viscous. 320 kbps is like instant soup for instant noodles. The lower you go the more watery it is.
couchisland_com@reddit
I'm a big FLAC guy, when I'm using wired headphones. As soon as bluetooth comes in I know I'm getting way too much compression.
Lequaraz@reddit
its real as long as you know its flac. Havent read or heard of a single person that gets blind Tests consistently right
NiceDonutFrank@reddit
It is, but you need a decent sound system and trained ears to actually notice it.
blumpkin@reddit
I thought it was bullshit until I watched a movie with really good soundmixing and lossless audio on an excellent home theater setup. I could definitely hear the difference between lossy and lossless audio then. Unfortunately I can't afford that so I enjoy splashing around in the mud with my compressed mp3s until I win the lottery or something some day.
UsernameOmitted@reddit
90% of high end audio garbage is complete bullshit, but higher quality files like FLAC absolutely sound better than low bitrate and/or lossy formats.
If I pop a song on YouTube with my good midrange speaker setup, then switch over go FLAC, I can definitely hear a distinct difference. It's especially in the high range. On a track that's something like an acoustic guitar and it's got the high pitched squeaks as the player moves their hand, on lossless files, it's more "crisp" sounding.
Throw the song in a noisy room, on crappy speakers or choose a song that's poorly mixed, and it's almost impossible to tell a high bitrate lossy and lossless file apart though, so I can definitely see why people say this.
Nenad1979@reddit
I know absolutely nothing about audio, but i do 3d and video editing and the point of extremely high quality formats is usually not consumption, but having enough data for editing not to break the image, I would assume the purpose of flac is the same?
jackmans@reddit
The Golden ratio? Like, 1.618...?
LegitimateCry8036@reddit
also a midwit filter tbqh, pseuds love ascribing meaning to it where none exists
jackmans@reddit
Can you give an example? I've never heard anyone reference the Golden ratio to justify anything
Nenad1979@reddit
I had my architecture history professor bable about it while forcing us to UNIRONICALLY watch fucking ancient aliens
Estropolim@reddit
People will slap the golden ratio spiral over an image and use that as evidence that the beauty of the image comes from its alignment with the spiral
jackmans@reddit
So you're saying the claim that the golden ratio is beautiful is pseudo-science?
Estropolim@reddit
No, that isn’t what I’m saying.
jackmans@reddit
What are you saying exactly? I'm struggling a bit to follow how the golden ratio is pseudo-science, I mean beauty isn't something that can be measured easily beyond surveying people. I think there is evidence that people do find things featuring the golden ratio beautiful.
Estropolim@reddit
I’m saying that it obviously doesn’t have a fundamental link to beauty and the processes of trying to establish that it does are ‘tarded and pseudoscientific at best.
Sounds like you might’ve fallen for it though
jackmans@reddit
So you're not claiming that the golden ratio isn't beautiful, you're claiming that attempts to objectively prove the golden ratio is beautiful is pseudo-science?
If so, I would agree because beauty is a subjective human experience so it's impossible to objectively prove something is beautiful because it's not properly falsifiable (or, maybe it's permanently falsifiable because there's always going to be someone who just says "that's ugly" and it's impossible to prove they're lying).
That said, just because we can't prove it objectively doesn't mean that we can't prove that humans generally find certain things more beautiful than others through scientific surveys. I think this is probably what people mean when they claim the golden ratio causes something to be beautiful, because on average people tend to find things with the golden ratio more beautiful than things without it therefore the golden ratio creates beauty. Would you argue that mountains and oceans aren't beautiful because we can't measure their beauty scientifically? Or maybe I'm still missing your point.
Estropolim@reddit
I'm not saying it isn't beautiful, but I am saying it's beautiful in the same way that a circle is beautiful, which is to say there is nothing especially beautiful about it.
This is very clearly not true. Not only is it not supported by any real evidence, but it doesn't even sound plausible at all.
You've fallen for the pseudoscience.
jackmans@reddit
https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/cfaaf485-fad5-4dde-8c19-5801ed4804ac
I just had Claude deep research do a meta analysis on the topic. Honestly, it did find less evidence supporting my view than I expected, so I'm willing to cede the point and agree that there isn't a lot of robust evidence supporting the claim that humans find the golden ratio more beautiful than similar ratios. However, it's clearly not complete bullshit because there has been some evidence found over the years and the fact that this much research has been done on the subject clearly indicates that it's plausible.
Estropolim@reddit
Just because a paper states a link doesn't mean there is real evidence that there is one. Don't just look at the stated conclusion, look at what the actual experiment was and what data they got. Abstracts and conclusions are intentionally designed to mislead, they serve as marketing for a paper. Believe it or not, I'm actually an author on a morphological aesthetics paper and I know firsthand what kind of bs gets published in that field.
jackmans@reddit
You're absolutely right, though this argument can be used against literally any finding in any field. I agree the evidence is somewhere between minimal to non-existent I'm just pointing out that calling people complete idiots for thinking there's something there is harsh. It's not obviously false on the level of flat earth or astrology. If you had to bet, would you put everything you have down on the fact that it's 100% false? I doubt it. There are an enormous number of human theories that live on this gradient between robust concrete evidence and conflicting evidence that when averaged out is a tiny to non-existent measurable effect. Yes, many of them will turn out to be wrong but clearly not all of them.
All that said, at the end of the day I 100% agree it's stupid to apply the golden ratio to art thinking you're learning something about the nature of beauty. Humans are satisfied imperceptively differently through a large range of surrounding ratios, they only really start having preferences at extremes. Artists use it because it's a convenient system to layout a fractal spiral if their art incorporates that. It does look pretty, but so do perfect circles and every other mathematical pattern.
Pretty-Persimmon-673@reddit
Just admit you’re poor
_massive_balls_@reddit
Whoever has the cuntsyness to diss my bestie FLAC deserves to be shot dead
thelochteedge@reddit
Some of us just like a fun little ritual. It’s not that serious. I agree with you on the important ingredients although I do love the beta-alanine tingles. If I ever get to a point where I need to be more careful spending I’ll probably cut it out but while it fits the budget I’ll enjoy my fun flavoured ritual.
crimsonycream@reddit
You're obviously retarded. Beta alanine is a stimulant found in most pre workouts that give people that tingling sensation that many take pre-workout for. There's also citrulline that helps your muscles reach that "pump" feeling faster. These may not activately increase your lifts, but the sensations mentally improve your workouts.
fifththrowaway@reddit
They’re also really good at making expensive urine and being upsold to slack-jawed morons like you.
TehSteak@reddit
Here's a tip: save your piss as your next pre workout. Hope that helps! 🤙
fifththrowaway@reddit
And deprive your sister? No way
crimsonycream@reddit
Good one nerd
fifththrowaway@reddit
Thx boo
coffee_n_deadlift@reddit
False: The core ingredients in most pre-workouts are caffeine (energy), beta-alanine (endurance), creatine (strength), and citrulline (pump/blood flow).
fifththrowaway@reddit
And two of those actually matter.
coffee_n_deadlift@reddit
They are all active ingredients which means they matter.
Why would they waste their time putting that in if it didn't matter ?
fifththrowaway@reddit
To better grift morons impressed by big words and ncbi abstracts.
The supplement industry is notorious for being lazy, under-regulated, and misleading. And your uncritical acceptance of their claims makes you a good consoomer
coffee_n_deadlift@reddit
Have you ever tried pre-workout?
You can feel the itching of beta alanine.
fifththrowaway@reddit
Yeah, dumping grams at a time causes paresthesia.
coffee_n_deadlift@reddit
Please be serious you sound like someone who is scared of pre-workout.
fifththrowaway@reddit
Yeah I have a crippling fear of scams, I'm really shaking in my boots rn. Quivering even.
coffee_n_deadlift@reddit
Are you sourcing your own self XD
Pre-workout are not scam you know how many mg of everything that's in them.
If one scoop doesn't do shit because you weight 200 pounds then just take 2.
It doesnt make Pre-workout a scam
fifththrowaway@reddit
So because they listed discrete miligram amounts, then it must mean that everything is a therapeutic dose, provides meaningful effects, and can be taken together the same time as a singular dose before an unspecified workout.
Surely they wouldn't make claims about these ingredients that misrepresent or overextrapolate from the body of research. Or just inaccurately label the ingredients/quantities because no FDA oversight lmao
Keep defending the scam, consoomer.
coffee_n_deadlift@reddit
Wtf are you talking about therapeutic dose ?
Some people want more or less caféine, some want more or less beta alanine, some want more or less citruline, some want more less creatine.
That is why there are so many different Pre-workout.
It doesn't make it a scam.
Have you ever said to someone drinking coffee: aRE YoU SUre you aRE geTTIng yOu Therapeutic dOSe of caFEINE
clayticus@reddit
Explain them yo
fifththrowaway@reddit
pseudoscience, pseudoscience, ideological purism/snobbery, pseudoscience
clayticus@reddit
Everything or just everything after creatine and caffeine?
fifththrowaway@reddit
After creatine and caffeine, you’re either overpaying for something that can be readily found in a good diet, or you’re receiving a sub, therapeutic dose, or increasingly negligible benefits.
And depending on the loading cycle for creatine, most pre-workout is shitty at that as well
clayticus@reddit
Thanks. I do workout so I was always unsure if creatine
fifththrowaway@reddit
Np, creatine does definitely work if your dose and schedule are good. I personally don't like the feeling of bloat. Also, if you don't frontload the heavy work you're using creatine for, then you're going to burn up all the ATP it provided
Lord-Heir@reddit
Two of these are true while including the others proves you're retarded, I'll let you figure out which ones they are
Short-Phase1237@reddit
Huge respect for speaking the truth about FLACs, 320kbps mp3s are transparent and are impossible to tell apart for 98% of the population. People are delusional.
Jcrm87@reddit
Such a INTJ thing to say
Fshneed@reddit
Seriously, I've been mixing instant coffee and creatine in water before working out for years. Can't believe some people pay for that shit.
Swimming_Register_32@reddit
Anon is upset he has lost his hearing and trying to cope.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
He also has an uneven face, temperature sensory issues, and clearly failed the meters briggs
Smh
kailethre@reddit
Ah! Psychology is finally moving to the metric system!
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
lol, everywhere except like two countries, yes
fifththrowaway@reddit
Type louder I can't hear you from over here.
Swimming_Register_32@reddit
Pardon?
Serenaded@reddit
Anon is upset he doesn't have a musical bone in his body and doesn't get it, thinks everyone is as much of a bonehead as himself.
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diamondisland2023@reddit
how's the golden ratio a litmus test
IsNotAnOstrich@reddit
You're forgetting: it tastes good.
CygniGlide@reddit
Tell me you don’t know anything about preworkout without telling me. The other ingredients don’t do nothing, whether or not you enjoy their benefit is one thing, but I for one enjoy the benefits of the citrulline and beta alanine and noticeably get better pumps and can workout harder when I take pre workout versus just straight caffeine
fifththrowaway@reddit
Brainletmaxxed and placebo-pilled. Very cool.
CygniGlide@reddit
Alright so you’re either dumb or baiting, got it
fifththrowaway@reddit
Poverty bench detected, opinion discarded.
I'm sure you just need more nitric oxide precursors and processed amino acids!
LegitimateCry8036@reddit
post clip of one rep max bench before criticizing, 270 is a grown ass man bench
fifththrowaway@reddit
As 1rm in the 90kg class after 5+ yrs is pretty mediocre. I don’t record my lifts, but if that what it takes
CygniGlide@reddit
Lmao you went and took my worst lift and used that as your point? You also probably are the type to care purely about bench number since you probably are a fat 250lb slob.
Plus, my profile activity is hidden, which meant you went and manually searched for that. That’s pretty fucking sad dude.
FeverDreamingg@reddit
I have literally never spent a dime on pre workouts, protein powders, or any other magic potions, and I outlift 95% of people I see in the gym. Same goes with gym “lifestyle” clothing brands (YoungLA, Gymshark, etc.). All just ways to separate fools from their money.
I lift in cotton tshirts, shorts, and vans. Nothing looks dumber than showing up in $300 worth of branded clothing with a tub of preworkout, BCAAs, and a level belt, just to squat 135 lol
Stuckinaboxxx@reddit
post physique.
FeverDreamingg@reddit
Never said I wasn’t fat lol
LegitimateCry8036@reddit
Then your opinion is invalid, shut the fuck up about it and go exercise
Stuckinaboxxx@reddit
Makes sense.
LegitimateCry8036@reddit
^^^fatty, by his own admission
Kireba2@reddit
Protein powder can be helpul bu5 is not neccesary. Creatine is just a pure benefit. And if you are someone who can actually lift heavy a belt is something thats worth looking into. The only item that I think everyone would benefit from are lifting straps.
FeverDreamingg@reddit
Don’t disagree on creatine (though to me it’s mainly a bodybuilding thing for appearance). Don’t disagree on belts either, my point was mainly that a custom lever belt is something to invest in once you’ve already progressed through beginner gains.
Heavy disagree on lifting straps, except under very specific circumstances. Grip strength is a huge weak point of many lifters and most strength athletes would be best off avoiding using straps as much as possible.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
creatine is not for appearance though? It enables your muscles to lift a little more than it naturally could
antibread@reddit
It also makes muscle cells hold extra water and makes you look more swole.
Kireba2@reddit
I think it's best to train grip separately. Realistically your back and your legs will be stronger than your grip. Not being able to go close to failure, because your grip gives put before your back is counterproductive imo.
CygniGlide@reddit
And me and other top lifters take pre workout and outlift you, your point? It’s not a necessary tool to make progress but it’s an additive to make it more enjoyable and has benefits that make it easier to take a workout farther.
And I’m sorry do you just wear nothing to the gym? You wear jeans? You’re really judging people for wearing gym clothes… to the gym? Just because you do it your way doesn’t mean you have to be a hater on others. Let people live their life
FeverDreamingg@reddit
95% was being…generous. I don’t like to get into the dick measuring contest because people lie on the internet, but I bench 4 plates and squat 5 for reps. I maybe encounter 5 people a year that outlift me, and they’re either competitive super heavyweights, or heavily juiced. I highly doubt you outlift me, but if you do, then good for you.
Also, if you were any sort of competitive strength athlete worth their salt, these companies would just sponsor you and send you stuff for free. I very occasionally post my lift on social media and companies reach out to send me shit.
Regardless, it’s not about “living your life”, it’s perpetuating mindless consumerism, and injecting that consumerist lifestyle into a sport/hobby that is pure without it. It perpetuates the environmental and economically unsustainable lifestyles that are slowly killing the western world. It’s gross and you’re easily influenced by marketing.
Dihydromorphine@reddit
Any chance you could post some of your lifts to Reddit? I’d be interested to see.
Also when you say 4 plates do you mean total or on both sides? Either way is impressive but I guess 4 plates on both sides would be ridiculously impressive haha
Geni0@reddit
100% he's talking about 4 plates on each side. A two-plate bench (4 plates total, 225lbs) is the floor for most serious male lifters.
fifththrowaway@reddit
He's not even close
Old_Tune_2502@reddit
Nah he just blocked you, it's the go-to reddit loser strategy when they get called out or lose an argument. Log out and his comments will reappear.
CygniGlide@reddit
I didn’t delete my account, I blocked you because you are a sad, miserable person obviously.
CygniGlide@reddit
I mean you can easily be lying as well, and also strength is relative. You could be 300lbs, or on steroids, which makes either of those equally less impressive.
So your point as that it’s only worth to get things you enjoy if companies sponsor you? You do know to get sponsors like that, you need to be a public figure right? They don’t sponsor some random lifter at the gym. And competing athletes worth their salt literally use pre workout all the time. You’re just making bullshit up about companies reaching out to you as well.
It is about living your life. You clearly care a lot about other people enjoying things you seem as worthless to you, so you put them down because you think it makes you feel above them. That’s just fucking sad dude
fifththrowaway@reddit
This is a better approach than being a compulsive gear-queer. Focus on fundamentals (rest, proper food, periodized progressive hard training) will beat out this toy-collecting mentality.
I'm not opposed to supplements on principle. Preworkout just spikes to many red flags to be a good idea
FeverDreamingg@reddit
You get bro, appreciate it. I’m not saying you can’t get these things if you really want, I’m saying more people would benefit from spending more time in the gym, and perfecting their technique, than browsing the web buying clothes and focusing on which exact brand of BCAAs to buy.
Most people aren’t held back by their gear or supplements, they’re held back by poor technique and just pushing their limits in the gym.
fifththrowaway@reddit
You're right. No supplemental trick is going to make up for a neglected foundation.
ibetyouliketes@reddit
Are you actually switching accounts to agree with your own comments? Jfc
fifththrowaway@reddit
No, im switching accounts with you to post retarded shit. See below
Estropolim@reddit
Most people just want to experience different facets of life. They don’t want to ‘tistically hyperfixate on a maximally efficient routine. They end up happier and better off socially than you, on top of receiving the vast majority of the same benefits of lifting that you do.
fatfuck5@reddit
Sure ya do coin boi
FeverDreamingg@reddit
The intersection between autists and gymrats is unfortunately quite circular
Axe-actly@reddit
Protein powders are less expensive per gram than pretty much every food in existence. So you're actually losing money by not using it.
blumpkin@reddit
And have a way lower calorie/protein ratio. Good for certain people (like me).
mischling2543@reddit
Yeah I only use protein powder lol
I have a gym provided in my building that's empty 95% of the time though so there's no one to show off for regardless
-Desolada-@reddit
People like spending money the way they want? It's really that crazy to you that some people prefer buying the higher-quality version of the things they are actively consuming?
I generally live pretty minimalist but buy high-quality stuff when I'm making a longer-term purchase. If you have the money, there's no reason not to buy a better-than-normal belt, or more comfortable gym workout clothes, assuming that you are going to continue using them long-term. The idea that it's somehow mutually exclusive to work on your 'progressive overload' and wear branded clothing is pretty absurd.
Basically you're just saying you're poor. I don't really mean that to be that derogatory, but just say what it is instead of trying to make this elaborate cope about how you're actually just not a mindless consumerist like others because you're wearing le vans in the gym.
FeverDreamingg@reddit
It’s not higher quality tho. It’s generic blanks with logos stamped on them made in sweatshops
I choose to invest my money and put it into mega autistic hobbies that hold value or generate positive returns for me. Not buy shit that will end up in a landfill in 3 years.
schmitzel88@reddit
I'd rather see someone in full gear struggling to squat the bar than have them stay home and not work out at all. Imagine being so insecure that you go about your life being this fixated on what other people wear, what they bring to the gym, and how much they lift. If buying the gear is what motivates them to go do it, more power to them.
The home gym route is GOATed for not only this reason, but also because I can deadlift in my underwear and listen to polka like a maniac and no one is there to stop me.
FeverDreamingg@reddit
1 consoomer over here lol
friendandfriends2@reddit
While 99% of what’s on the shelves at GNC is Broscience snake oil, preworkout (from reputable brands) absolutely does more than what you’re saying.
fifththrowaway@reddit
They do a really good job of costing more, true.
Which ones are the reputable brands?
the_dank_666@reddit
I really like Gorilla Mind. The founder, Derek, has a degree in biochemistry (or something like that) and posts LONG youtube videos going over the scientific backing of his ingredients, dosage, and even ingredients that he chose not to use. I will be honest, his brand has expanded a lot in the past few years and some of their newer products may be snake oil. But his flagship pre-workout is very good.
WellMemedSir@reddit
You're right for the most part but some of the better preworkouts have amino acids that can help slightly. Citrulline and beta alanine are the ones that come to mind. Mind you I'm no biochemist.
TheMoverOfPlanets@reddit
What do they help with?
HanzJWermhat@reddit
You can take beta alanine separately. I take it daily specially for road cycling performance. It’s actually not effective if you only take for workouts.
grishnackh@reddit
You don’t say.
GonzoRouge@reddit
Just do meth like a normal person smh
HateAndCaffeine@reddit
I miss original formula Jack3d more than some dead relatives
aweil13@reddit
Don’t ask questions, just consuum
HanzJWermhat@reddit
What are next?
massacre0520@reddit
I use a non-stim preworkout and can assure you there are other ingredients than caffeine in good preworkout. Obvi depends if you like the beta alanine tinglies or not
alluringBlaster@reddit
Cold plunge is good tho. INTJ btw...
thisisme5@reddit
You can take all the caffeine and creatine in the world and your skin won’t itch like a good preworkout scoop. Need the itch and heat flashes.
NachoNutritious@reddit (OP)
A few years back I got into buying the ingredients separately and mixing them together to make my own PWO. It was always fucking gritty and no matter how I adjusted the amount of non-stims I couldn't get the crawling ants the way a regular pre-mixed tub that tastes like the pussy of one of those AI fruit chicks does.
sneed_o_matic@reddit
Who are these semen demons?
trapaccount1234@reddit
It’s beta alanine you just suck at doing research
real_picklejuice@reddit
It’s the B12 in high doses that gives you that niacin flush
therealhlmencken@reddit
Beta alanine is the one for me
blumpkin@reddit
This is the second time today I've seen a reference to this fruit people shit. WTF is going on.
NachoNutritious@reddit (OP)
Some Southwest Asian slop farm bought a Grok subscription and started spamming this crap everywhere.
RedditHatesDiversity@reddit
That's literally just the nitrous oxide and you're supposed to cycle it if you're using it
It also doesn't affect anything other than your perception of the difficulty of the lift
HanzJWermhat@reddit
Beta alanine is useless if you only take it pre-workout. The itch is just it getting into the blood not saturating the muscles
EarlMarshal@reddit
If you want that just buy beta analin.
varstok@reddit
Hold up - what's placebo about the golden ratio? It's a neat math phenomenon, with cool examples that cross over into pure sciences like biology. Unless there's something else that shares the name, in which case I'm wholly unfamiliar with it.
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
All the pictures of it in nature are just coincidence
RLANTILLES@reddit
Anyone who even knows their Meyers Briggs type is already such a one dimensional person I would barely call them human.
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
I can tell you're an ACDC
LongDongFuey@reddit
What an ETSJ thing to say
Kraligor@reddit
They don't matter either.
Grenzoocoon@reddit
I mean dmha or dmaa are pretty legit
GuerillaGandhi@reddit
The stim junkies in here are laughing at your stupid dimwit comment.
straightillin@reddit
Idk man, I live for those tingles, what's that from? Bet alinine or something? Idk why it feels good to me
Vanished_I-X@reddit
yea and raw images are fake too!
Vanished_I-X@reddit
flac is 100% real, you have only ever used shitty headphones with a shitty/no dac if you say other wise
Basementcat69@reddit
Meyer-Briggs is the biggest indicator to me that the person Im talking to is a gullible consoomer.
nec_plus_ultra@reddit
Then fuck does GNC marketing have to do with 1.618?
Pintsocream@reddit
You obviously weren't around for Jack3D
leaf_shift_post_2@reddit
Right, but my pre workout is cherry watermelon flavoured, I’d have to find or make a sugar free drink mix to add to the caffeine and creatine mixture.
VeritablyVersatile@reddit
Citrulline also works, but buying bulk L-Citrulline or Citrulline Malate is way cheaper.
Creatine can be taken any time and doesn't need to be part of a pre-workout.
Cosmonate@reddit
Add CBD to the list
Cream314Fan@reddit
Creatine is fake as fuck and make your hair fall out
RelentlessBandit@reddit
Not from my experience. You don't to buy the first pre workout mix you see, people are allowed to compare ingredients and find one that works better for them. Calling it a litmus test is insane lmao but whatever.
AgitatedKey4800@reddit
Fool, the only ingredients tobbigger muscles are Hatred in your heart and anger issues
triplegerms@reddit
I recognize all the other ones, but I'm out of the loop on the golden ratio nonsense indicator. Context?
fifththrowaway@reddit
math ratio gets incorrectly shoehorned everywhere. Pothead philosopher-kings and pseuds cite it as evidence of some sublime mathematical order of the universe.
phreaminz@reddit
Pretty sure Craze had meth in it at one point.
Then you had the dmaa stuff that use to be around in a few different mixes.
No idea whats around now, as I dont lift, but I find it hard to imagine this trend just stopped as it seemed to only be building about 10-15 years ago.
fifththrowaway@reddit
I think a few companies got into legal trouble by the 2010's and the meth-like ingredients got phased out. Gas station boner pills still somehow have alarming ingredients in them
Bary_McCockener@reddit
Yes, PWOs used to be a totally different animal. Caffeine and beta alanine with fruit flavoring is not the same
JoshHedge@reddit
It's $1 a serving for caffeine, creatine, beta alinine etc. and it tastes good sometimes. Ive found it motivating and a nice part of the pre gym "ritual". Outside of buying separate supplements you can't really come close in price/convenience.
I think it's overblown how massive of a "scam" it is. It's convenient and cheap. It is cheaper from them to make but as is everything or businesses wouldn't make money. I'll happily pay $300-400 a year for the convenience alone.
DialecticCompilerXP@reddit
FLAC is a useful archival tool. Lossless compression is legit.
Serenaded@reddit
This is absolutely true. I've had 2 preworkouts sitting there for well over a year and used them a lot in the late 2010s. It's definitely the same shit as a tall black coffee but with added face/hair tingles. The tingles are probably just a placebo to think things are working right. I still use them sometimes, won't buy again when it's done.
FLAC and WAV is real though. You can certainly hear music clipping and distorting at loud volumes when it's an MP3 or Spotify quality. You will never get me swapping to spotify over my local Strawberry Music Player assortment of rutracker FLAC and WAV progressive rock/fusion ripped from Japanese SACD releases.
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HateAndCaffeine@reddit
The placebo effect is incredibly powerful
CygniGlide@reddit
It is not placebo lmao
CpowOfficial@reddit
Fat chud cope
beclops@reddit
Pre-workout is cool sometimes. I couldn’t imagine drinking it every workout though. I save it for days I’m attempting PRs if at all
Mr__Castle_@reddit
Why do dudes always scoop their shakes in the change room?
Aren't you worried about pubes or dick-germs floating around?
Puceeffoc@reddit
That's the bonus.
coffee_n_deadlift@reddit
No people are not all basement dwellers scared of everything like most redditors
beclops@reddit
Why would those things be relegated to the locker room? I got plenty of pubes and dick germs at home
Mr_JohnUsername@reddit
Home is good for routine, but if you want a charcuterie board of diverse flavor, then the locker room is where it’s at. Both have a place in the consooming gymrats diet.
ibejeph@reddit
How exactly are you taking your pre workout if pubes and dick germs are a consideration?
Shedeski@reddit
Dumping it on the gym toilet seats and snorting it.
Weepinbellend01@reddit
Boofing clearly
hekatonkhairez@reddit
All the dudes I know that would take pre-workout ended up quitting working out. The only people I know who continue to work out out are those who just raw dogged working out no matter the motivation level.
FlameVShadow@reddit
The only time I’ve taken pre-workout is when the place I order protein powder from shipped me free samples with my order (like 1 or 2 single serving packets)
E-Man-Free-Man@reddit
Is there any real reason I should use pre workout instead of coffee?
Estropolim@reddit
Slightly faster, isn't hot, tastes different. Neither is better than the other, its like asking "why should I eat an apple instead of an orange"
nethqz@reddit
beta-alanine if you like the tingling sensation (tolerance builds up rather quickly in my experience), some shit im to lazy to lookup for blood flow (arginine?) but you can just put ~2g of salt into whatever you drink during for the same effect
so no real reason in my opinion other than if you find a product you like the taste of and dont care about the money. thats how i treat my preworkout atleast
DefinitelyNotPine@reddit
They should just make swallowing pills at this point
speedyweedy420@reddit
Caffeine pills are cool
JustChillin3456@reddit
Easy af to overdose on
NiteCyper@reddit
If you're a noob. 100mg tablets. Bite in half or smaller. Same with melatonin (3mg tablets).
whenimcleaningwindow@reddit
I buy the 200mg ones, do one or two daily so I can not be a zombie at work
serial_feet_sniffer@reddit
What if i get hungry and eat the whole pill
NachoNutritious@reddit (OP)
I think the gist is the amount of arginine, citrulline, and other ingredients needed would make a PWO pill about the size of your thumb.
pervyninja@reddit
Boof it
WisherWisp@reddit
Meh. Already take 5 damn pills just for glucosamine/chondroitin a day.
beclops@reddit
Many of the ingredients need to be consumed with water as well for maximum efficacy
DefinitelyNotPine@reddit
No idea, not making it water soluble should save up space but you'd still need at least a couple pills to make a scoop
blumpkin@reddit
Suppository or nothing, bro.
NachoNutritious@reddit (OP)
You should also butt blast your protein shakes
blumpkin@reddit
Of course, maximum absorption, bro.
HansZeFlammenwerfer@reddit
I do caffeine pills.
Even grinded them down once and snorted
TNTspaz@reddit
I mean. They do. They aren't as marketable though and people are stupid
opposite_singularity@reddit
Did this twice and almost choked to death the first time like the cinnamon challenge from 2016 because I’m retarded
mexicanpolo@reddit
A date with butter will do you better then any pre workout bullcrap
mischling2543@reddit
I'd rather just do meth
CommieRemovalCrew@reddit
I like to tell tweakers that meth makes you gay, via some vaguely sciencey sounding bullshit. It pisses them off to a ridiculous degree.
"Studies from the University of Oklahoma indicate that those who use methamphetamine are 2.3x more likely to engage in homosexual activity", that sorta shit. Try it sometime.
mischling2543@reddit
Nah I don't think I will try that - I don't wanna get stabbed.
Funny though.
CommieRemovalCrew@reddit
You gotta be good at picking the right tweakers to mess with
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
Somehow less shameful than taking workout advice on a Tibetan Shadow Puppet Forum
okruina@reddit
Damn crazy stuff dudes do with come these days hahaha
altSHIFTT@reddit
I'll just take a scoop of straight beta alanine
YouAndSunset@reddit
I used to do heroin before the gym. Granted I used do heroin before everything, but these chuds needed pre and I was mainlining gods silliest feeling before stacking plates
altSHIFTT@reddit
Lol god damn dude, I hope you're in a better place now
YouAndSunset@reddit
Yeah, been sober for years thanks lol. It was such a funny juxtaposition between being a deluded drug addict but still thinking the gym would offset anything lmao
doodoo_dew@reddit
Itching just thinking about it
HanzJWermhat@reddit
Ouch my teeth. My beta alanine mouth feel is disturbing
hotguymanygf@reddit
You need to take alpha alanine or you will become gayer
altSHIFTT@reddit
Oh noooooooo
FrancisYorkMorganFBI@reddit
The only time I've tried to dry scoop preworkout it ended up like the cinammon challenge.
Shootemout@reddit
fr i seen people do that at my gym but when i did it, i coughed and had fucking creatine powder in my nasal passageways which was incredibly annoying
tyschooldropout@reddit
The trick is to not breathe at all until you've got the scoop wet
DangerKeepAway@reddit
lmao at anybody not boofing their preworkout
letsgoiowa@reddit
Wtf is dry scooping? Sounds like a gay thing
Substantial_Vast4891@reddit
I usually just mix 2-4oz of water and it hits exactly like you explain and within minutes
SurgeryWizard@reddit
WOW! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!?
DickManning@reddit
Nice now do coke
Tupiekit@reddit
We used to do that with jack3d in downtime between missions in Afghanistan. It uh….was not great.
WendyLRogers3@reddit
Did you get the promised increase in length, width and endurance associated with penile enarglement, flatulence retention, and post-mature ejaculation, measurable in half pints?
DirkNord@reddit
you could just mix it in like 4oz of water instead for more concentration without choking on dust
YouAndSunset@reddit
Bro but the Tik Toks
RelentlessBandit@reddit
I only add 4oz of water and an extra scoop of beta alanine and it works fine. Flavor is strong, I control how much water weight I'm holding, and the additional scoop of beta alanine gives me an extra kick to help me do my full body workout.
palmerry@reddit
Lol. Try adrenochrome and then we can talk. Supplements you can buy over the counter are a hoax.
Tony_Roiland@reddit
Talk about what? How much of a fucking moron you are?
NiceDonutFrank@reddit
Really? I thought it was a meme, gotta try it tomorrow.
Snowbrawler@reddit
Dude, april 1st
Tommysrx@reddit