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I’ve mentioned this on the last couple times we’ve posted them, the Turkish ones have a better finish, but these are more reliable; they don’t have the very common extraction issues you can see everyone on the MP5 sub (me included) have with the AP5/MAC ones
Yes but some of the Turkish clones have minor fitment issues. I have a PTR 9kt that I dressed up as a classic MP5K-PDW, and the choate stock and broom handle handguard have a little bit of play to them that apparently is not present on MP5's made on actual HK tooling.
Yeah I was kind of disappointed, but it's one of those things you notice when you are playing around with the gun but not really when you are shooting it. The 1913 stock adapter that came with the gun seems like a very snug fit so I am probably going to run that with a Sig minimalist stock.
It’s really a ‘just shoot the damn thing’ deal. I did fix the slack on my adapter using just layers of masking tape until it fit snug. There hasn’t been much damage to it and it’s worked well so far. I love my PTR. They didn’t install my extractor correctly at first though, and I had to fix that
Lol I did the same thing with electrical tape. But yeah it's still one of my favorites to bring out, especially with new shooters. I think my next big gun purchase is gonna be a 9mm suppressor for it.
Can confirm, I have both and the AP5 is better in fit and finish. Also the AP5 is less picky with magazines, my POF will not use AC-Unity magazines and my AP5's run them flawlessly.
I'd say good - a few of the welds at certain seams were a little bumpy, but nothing that bothers me. The full metal lower and flawless running so far are what matter most personally.
Thats the point though, you want the nicest one if this is going to be a lifetime purchase.
Yes, an HK SP5 is technically a clone of their MP5, as its semi auto only and has full auto denial features, that said, it shares many of the same parts, made by the same company in Germany and imported into the USA. Its as close as you're getting to a real MP5 unless you pay $100k for transferable pre 86' police import MP5.
Yeah man , I have the rare breed drop in cassette trigger for the SP5 and it’s fucking amazing. 5 min install, no bullshit slip trip shit, no AR fire control shit or 3d printer Lowers.
Fair stance, depends on each person's financial situation and how much they care about having the nicest one. I hope this doesn't violate the subreddit rules, but I expect Virginia to do mass confiscation in the next 10-20 years, so I wouldn't consider it a lifetime purchase anyway.
On board with you there. After getting a super safety, red dot, few other accessories/replacing internals, 3 cases of ammo, you're still likely well under the sp5 cost
I have an AP5 and my understanding is that if you care about finish then that is the way to go. Heard no functional issues with the POF just finish and big roll marks from the importer.
This does have the traditional metal lower and is a couple hundred cheaper than the AP5 at the moment
I have one of these and it has been extremely reliable for me. It's ate everything I've fed it without issue. The gun is painted and I did have a little rust under the handguard when I purchased it but haven't had any issues once that was treated and repainted. Ended up replacing the lower with an HK polymer and was able to sell the metal lower for a couple hundred bucks. I know folks have had issues with their POFs but this has actually been more reliable for me than either of my AP5s.
A lot of ap5s have ejection issues. It's normally easily solved by h&k German ejector, extractor, and associated springs. But it's common and money you have to spend. I bought my ap5p used and it would choke on its own brass every 2-3 rounds until I gave it fancy German parts, but since then it's been 100% reliable.
These have only been imported sporadically for the last few years so this info could be out of date, but the main reason to buy a POF is that they are actually stamped MP5, the main detractor is the finishes which tend to be really bad and flake off. Also, I do not think these have any warranty.
The Turkish ones have a better finish, but these are more reliable; they don’t have the very common extraction issues you can see everyone on the MP5 sub (me included) have with the AP5/MAC ones
This is a great deal - however, once you factor in shipping, you can get a similar priced Century Arms AP5 from one of many websites (check gundeals for specifics).
I have the military versions of both POF5 and POF4 (reverse stretch). Never had any issues. They run just as well as my SP5’s. Fit and finish is nowhere as nice though
I have one of the older "reverse stretch" models. I never really had issues. I'd say within the first 200 rounds there were some stove pipes, that was with 115 grain. Once I started hitting it with 124 it's been smooth and no issues with MKE or KCI mags honestly. It's even "super safe" now and it's fun as hell.
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ChampionshipNice4111@reddit
Decent gun, bad finish. Like rub it and finish can come off of it bad. Buy it if you want a cheap shooter or like middle eastern firearms.
Berry_Micockiner@reddit
Inb4 “ this vs a MAC vs Century vs Zenith”
7ddlysuns@reddit
Okay but why no answer?
SuppliesSolutionsLLC@reddit (OP)
I’ve mentioned this on the last couple times we’ve posted them, the Turkish ones have a better finish, but these are more reliable; they don’t have the very common extraction issues you can see everyone on the MP5 sub (me included) have with the AP5/MAC ones
jfree3000@reddit
Late to the party, had wallet hesitation. Any timeframe for a restock?
SuppliesSolutionsLLC@reddit (OP)
About a week, maybe some change
jfree3000@reddit
Thanks.
Belezibub@reddit
I'm at 2.7k rounds through the gun with one FTE. They def have some QC issue but when they get it right its "I cant believe its not MP5"
7ddlysuns@reddit
Thanks! And they plug and play with the FRT it seems
SuppliesSolutionsLLC@reddit (OP)
Correct, PSR uses a POF in their FRT videos
GrouchTheMongolian@reddit
because yes and duct tape is taken
GiveMeSumChonChon@reddit
Do they all have interchangeable parts with the hk mp5?
Haunting_Raccoon6058@reddit
Yes but some of the Turkish clones have minor fitment issues. I have a PTR 9kt that I dressed up as a classic MP5K-PDW, and the choate stock and broom handle handguard have a little bit of play to them that apparently is not present on MP5's made on actual HK tooling.
crypto1092@reddit
I thought PTR was USA made.
Haunting_Raccoon6058@reddit
Yeah you are right, I misspoke. I can comment on the quality of the HK clones out of Turkey but my PTR definitely has some minor fitment issues.
crypto1092@reddit
That’s fair. I have my PTR and stuff doesn’t fit on it easily, but from what I’ve heard that’s pretty typical for most MP5 platform makers
Haunting_Raccoon6058@reddit
Yeah I was kind of disappointed, but it's one of those things you notice when you are playing around with the gun but not really when you are shooting it. The 1913 stock adapter that came with the gun seems like a very snug fit so I am probably going to run that with a Sig minimalist stock.
crypto1092@reddit
It’s really a ‘just shoot the damn thing’ deal. I did fix the slack on my adapter using just layers of masking tape until it fit snug. There hasn’t been much damage to it and it’s worked well so far. I love my PTR. They didn’t install my extractor correctly at first though, and I had to fix that
Haunting_Raccoon6058@reddit
Lol I did the same thing with electrical tape. But yeah it's still one of my favorites to bring out, especially with new shooters. I think my next big gun purchase is gonna be a 9mm suppressor for it.
DEEPfrom1@reddit
Yes
Keyboard_rawrior@reddit
Pofs are marked “MP5” if you’re one of those autists
DoctorVepr@reddit
Pof better than all 3
Belezibub@reddit
The finish has something to be desired, I dont own one but thats the major comment from several sources.
Sympathetic_Dumpster@reddit
I have heard the Century AP5 is considered better than this (FIT/FINISH wise)... but this has a traditional metal lower
okie_gunslinger@reddit
Can confirm, I have both and the AP5 is better in fit and finish. Also the AP5 is less picky with magazines, my POF will not use AC-Unity magazines and my AP5's run them flawlessly.
MostlyOkPotato@reddit
I have both, this is correct.
StayTheCourse478@reddit
But forreal
SuppliesSolutionsLLC@reddit (OP)
OOS
Maleficent_Line_7213@reddit
Bought one of these last time it was posted from these guys and it is awesome.
jfree3000@reddit
How was the finish on yours?
Maleficent_Line_7213@reddit
I'd say good - a few of the welds at certain seams were a little bumpy, but nothing that bothers me. The full metal lower and flawless running so far are what matter most personally.
jfree3000@reddit
Thanks.
SuppliesSolutionsLLC@reddit (OP)
Glad to hear it!
crabcakemeister@reddit
I don't think I could live with myself if I ever had to tell someone what the P stood for if they asked
jareddeity@reddit
in virginia, should i get this or AP5? i always wanted a MP5 clone and this is my last chance before july.
juggarjew@reddit
SP5, thats what I would if it was my last chance. Might as well get the real deal.
Kookaburra2@reddit
That's fair if the sp5 were closer to $2k but at 2500-3k they've been going for now, it's a hard sell
juggarjew@reddit
I know its rough but if I planned on living in VA for the rest of my life id probably do it.
venolo@reddit
I'm gonna give the hot take and point out that an SP5 is also an MP5 clone. It's just the nicest one. It's not worth double the cost to most people.
juggarjew@reddit
Thats the point though, you want the nicest one if this is going to be a lifetime purchase.
Yes, an HK SP5 is technically a clone of their MP5, as its semi auto only and has full auto denial features, that said, it shares many of the same parts, made by the same company in Germany and imported into the USA. Its as close as you're getting to a real MP5 unless you pay $100k for transferable pre 86' police import MP5.
ThermosphericRah@reddit
My frt says deny this
juggarjew@reddit
Yeah man , I have the rare breed drop in cassette trigger for the SP5 and it’s fucking amazing. 5 min install, no bullshit slip trip shit, no AR fire control shit or 3d printer Lowers.
My SP5 has come into its MP5 kingdom lmao
venolo@reddit
Fair stance, depends on each person's financial situation and how much they care about having the nicest one. I hope this doesn't violate the subreddit rules, but I expect Virginia to do mass confiscation in the next 10-20 years, so I wouldn't consider it a lifetime purchase anyway.
Kookaburra2@reddit
On board with you there. After getting a super safety, red dot, few other accessories/replacing internals, 3 cases of ammo, you're still likely well under the sp5 cost
FuriousPenguino@reddit
My AP5 is my favorite gun. I have a SS and a CAT MOB on it
Belezibub@reddit
I have an AP5 and my understanding is that if you care about finish then that is the way to go. Heard no functional issues with the POF just finish and big roll marks from the importer.
This does have the traditional metal lower and is a couple hundred cheaper than the AP5 at the moment
Sympathetic_Dumpster@reddit
Do these accept FRT lowers like the AP5s?
SuppliesSolutionsLLC@reddit (OP)
PSR uses the POF one for his FRT videos
Belezibub@reddit
Yes most of the people that make the AR15 lowers for the mp5 for frt say POF is compatible.
themoneygontalk@reddit
Whatever you get, buy a leber v2 with it. You won’t regret it
THE_NEWEST_3DS@reddit
I have one of these and it has been extremely reliable for me. It's ate everything I've fed it without issue. The gun is painted and I did have a little rust under the handguard when I purchased it but haven't had any issues once that was treated and repainted. Ended up replacing the lower with an HK polymer and was able to sell the metal lower for a couple hundred bucks. I know folks have had issues with their POFs but this has actually been more reliable for me than either of my AP5s.
7ddlysuns@reddit
Both? Last chance. But serious answer AP5 has a solid reputation. Not sure about these
I_had_the_Lasagna@reddit
A lot of ap5s have ejection issues. It's normally easily solved by h&k German ejector, extractor, and associated springs. But it's common and money you have to spend. I bought my ap5p used and it would choke on its own brass every 2-3 rounds until I gave it fancy German parts, but since then it's been 100% reliable.
BrownRebel@reddit
I’ve never regretted the AP5. Easily my favorite.
Ok-Basket-9890@reddit
I’ve got a full size POF and haven’t had a single issue with it. The HK lower housing I picked up for it fit without any issue.
AskMeWhyIFish@reddit
Same boat tbh.
Supetition4rad@reddit
1/2x28 threading. It will fit that warrior legionary $99 Supressor from yesterday
Brotherauron@reddit
Wasn't that a .22lr
Extra-Minute-6712@reddit
He said it would fit. He's not wrong
Brotherauron@reddit
I guess that's fair lol
Supetition4rad@reddit
As the dr Jonathan crane said, my product will take you places. I didn’t say it was places you wanted to go
firesidechitchat@reddit
This vs the PSA AK-V? If one were to get one of these, which should it be? Mostly for plinking but perhaps home defense
A_Monkey_FFBE@reddit
I always mistake this for the patriot POF….
DrScaryGuy@reddit
I feel like they did that on purpose
100konmywristlifesux@reddit
pof adopted their name 50 years before the american one was founded...
DrScaryGuy@reddit
Well don't i look silly right about now?
Gamshar@reddit
Fell for this too…twice, sadly…
b4dkarm4@reddit
Why is this link already purple for me?
Oh right, I love to mercilessly edge my wallet.
08BitTerror@reddit
Can y'all hurry up and SELL THIS OUT so I can feed my kids this month?!
Yaotl_Tradeworks@reddit
this vs a MAC vs Century vs Zenith 😏
spider_enema@reddit
H&K Ap5
dryice2063@reddit
PTR
LiberalLamps@reddit
These have only been imported sporadically for the last few years so this info could be out of date, but the main reason to buy a POF is that they are actually stamped MP5, the main detractor is the finishes which tend to be really bad and flake off. Also, I do not think these have any warranty.
SuppliesSolutionsLLC@reddit (OP)
The Turkish ones have a better finish, but these are more reliable; they don’t have the very common extraction issues you can see everyone on the MP5 sub (me included) have with the AP5/MAC ones
DUCK_FACE_JONES@reddit
zenith MKE to throw in the mix
Sympathetic_Dumpster@reddit
This is a great deal - however, once you factor in shipping, you can get a similar priced Century Arms AP5 from one of many websites (check gundeals for specifics).
Do some research on the differences and pick one.
DEEPfrom1@reddit
Mine absolutely rips. 500 down the pipe without a hitch
dr_bund@reddit
I have the military versions of both POF5 and POF4 (reverse stretch). Never had any issues. They run just as well as my SP5’s. Fit and finish is nowhere as nice though
EfficientBum@reddit
FRT work in this bad boy?
SuppliesSolutionsLLC@reddit (OP)
Yup! PSR actually uses a POF in his FRT videos
EfficientBum@reddit
I thought so. PSR is the best man. Thank you
DUCK_FACE_JONES@reddit
just wait for century ap5
CrankyOperator@reddit
I have one of the older "reverse stretch" models. I never really had issues. I'd say within the first 200 rounds there were some stove pipes, that was with 115 grain. Once I started hitting it with 124 it's been smooth and no issues with MKE or KCI mags honestly. It's even "super safe" now and it's fun as hell.
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