5070 Ti Roundup, The Reason Why They Cost So Much
Posted by Locke357@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 230 comments
The unfortunate reality is Nvidia has limited the supply of the RTX 5070 Ti GPUs, and this is what's keeping these graphics cards at $1,000 US plus. It is not demand. Nvidia will certainly be quick to tell you that it's demand, but if you look at the publicly available sales data or speak with any retailer, you'll quickly learn that almost no one is buying GPUs right now, especially RTX 5070 Ti. The Radeon RX 9070XT is smashing the RTX 5070Ti everywhere we look. And while local retailers have confirmed to us that they're selling around 80% more 9070 XTs, they've also said the market overall is pretty dead.
railven@reddit
Hold on, let me get this straight.
Supply is constraint. Thus what is available is selling for over MSRP up to 25%, but "it is not demand" that is causing the price issue?
HAHAHAHAHA
What the hell are the Youtubers all smoking? They've really lost it with their preferred horse breaking all 4 legs before even starting the race.
Vivorio@reddit
He is saying: supply is being controlled to be below the demand and not that the demand is too high based on the supply Nvidia can do.
As simple as that.
railven@reddit
So, demand is raising prices?
TrippleDamage@reddit
Artificially lowered supply is.
railven@reddit
You people are not saying anything different. Wether artificial or real - demand still outstrips supply.
Causing demand to increase prices.
HavocInferno@reddit
You're talking effect, they're talking cause.
Stop acting obtuse, surely you're smarter than this.
railven@reddit
It's almost like in the post you replied to I stated I'm well aware of the cause.
And I'm glad we realize the effect.
I'm not the one denying the effect.
Both companies are constraining supply only. Both product lines saw an initial price increase followed by gouging. One saw price reduction while the other didn't.
Yet HUB is going to say it's not demand affecting the price increases when it's clearly a part of the equation.
But sure I'm being obtuse.
DRM_is_Hell@reddit
The demand is there, it's just not from regular consumers, but from AI data centers. This is what allows Nvidia to produce little of these cards and ask for high prices. At the same time, nobody's saying that the prices will stay this way if people are not buying them. It just takes a bit of time for the caving in to happen.
Btw, I didn't even watch the video, because HU are grifters IMO, but I also don't think their claims are without merit.
TrippleDamage@reddit
Where are those supposed rebates, coupons and bundles?
Or do you mean crimson desert game keys? In that case, Nvidia came with re9/arc raiders recently as well lol
Flaimbot@reddit
don't forget the borderlands 4 bundle with nv a few months ago
railven@reddit
https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1s6046z/amd_radeon_rx_9070_xt_returns_to_699_price/
Read the comments for EU and other market deals being posted by users.
Vivorio@reddit
Yes. That is what I said.
top-moon@reddit
Did your brain fall out?
railven@reddit
Sigh...
NV/AMD control supply.
Both are redirecting more units to enterprise. Both are affected by RAM prices. Both are affected by TSMC constraints.
Only one is seeing their products get gouged by retailers.
This can only happen when DEMAND exceeds supply.
Demand is directly causing prices to increase.
Plenty_Demand8904@reddit
his lack of understanding of economics and supply chain stuff is embarrassing
DavidsSymphony@reddit
It's not a lack of understanding at this point, it's pushing an ideology. Which is 10x worse, he is legit lost in the sauce, he has a narrative deeply ingrained in his mind and he just won't let go. At least Tim isn't like that, but Steve is too far gone.
railven@reddit
Based on replies to my post - clearly this is harder for some.
/shrug
FitCress7497@reddit
"The Radeon RX 9070XT is smashing the RTX 5070Ti everywhere we look"
Where you look also said the 9070 sold more than all RTX 5000s combined and look where we are right now
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
He's clearly talking about retail box sales. Are you accusing him of lying when he says he talked to local retailers?
On Newegg the 5070Ti is priced 45-50% above the 9070XT so it shouldn't exactly be surprising that the latter would see better sales at retail.
hsien88@reddit
he lies all the time by feigning ignorance and omissions. Like this article everybody knew 5070ti had lower allocation due to vram size and he's treating this as "news", forgetting he was the one claiming Nvidia discontinued 5070ti.
MITBryceYoung@reddit
You can literally search new egg most popular sold and youll see the 9070 xt is higher
Sharp_eee@reddit
Yeah what happened to this? They preached they knew the truth and that 5070tis were being discontinued yet you can still buy them months later. They even doubled down a few times and called Nvidia out for lying when they said this wasn’t the case and so did Moores law… yet it hasn’t been the case.
nanonan@reddit
How many retailers did you contact before deciding he is lying?
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
Which is based on what he was told twice by an AIB.
That's just the PR friendly way of saying we're not going to be making them.
HotRoderX@reddit
AIB = Nvidia?
I heard from a squirrel outside... that the AI bubble was about to pop.
Must be true, they live near data centers so they would know. Even though they aren't any of the companies running AI.
Future-Option-6396@reddit
And those same AIBs told him to correct their 5070 TI is dead video
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
Blink if your allocations have been threatened.
MITBryceYoung@reddit
You can check new egg and amazon sales data and this would confirm it
Darksider123@reddit
Isn't it possible that it did at the time of asking? Remember that there was a huge stock of 9070xt at the start and rtx 50 was seen as a paper launch
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
Nope, in that quarter, Nvidia repported record gaming revenues and AMD revenue fell slightly
Darksider123@reddit
I'm talking about launch, not quarter. Which is what hub reported on
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
The numbers would reflect. Unless AMD sold all those millions of GPUs in one week and never restocked.
We are not talking out selling 5070ti. We are talking out selling every Nvidia GPU that had already launched and ramped up since Nvidia was first to launch.
Darksider123@reddit
Which seemed to be the case. They had tons of stock due to the very delayed launch, burned through a most of it and was super slow to restock
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
Zero percent that's true,Steve lied as usual
Darksider123@reddit
Lol, showing your bias there again. They're just saying what the retailers told them
Beautiful_Ninja@reddit
That's because Nvidia was smartly making sure their actual biggest partners got stock, the OEM's whose prebuilts and laptops are the overwhelming majority of sales. While it was hard to get a 5090 for a while as a standalone card, you could have got them pretty easily in pre-builts.
AMD basically doesn't exist in the pre-built and laptop markets, so they just dump whatever cards they do make at places like Mindfactory and it looks at a glance that AMD is competitive in stock and sales. But then we get the real numbers from something like a Jon Peddie Research that shows AMD only shipped 5% of the discrete market that quarter.
Aggravating_Ring_714@reddit
He is like a cult leader at this point. 9070 is an ultra niche product, does it even show up in the steam hardware survey yet?
resetallthethings@reddit
yes
Zarmazarma@reddit
It is clearly not. Are you just trying to... Manifest it? Like, this int secret information, anyone can look it up.
resetallthethings@reddit
oh look it is
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=chg
luffydoc777@reddit
The 9070 XT literally is not even present on that list
resetallthethings@reddit
Well you'd have a good point
... If they had said XT in the first place (although that has also been on the survey before)
And I'm not trying to say it's some super popular card. Just providing correct answers to the question as to whether the 9070 has ever appeared on the survey, which it obviously has and also is currently.
Not sure why so many people in this thread take the obviously correct answer I'm giving and trying to claim it's false or that I'm trying to say anything else
resetallthethings@reddit
It hit the list way back in December, this isn't hard information to look up
The fact that it dropped back off doesn't mean it never did
LangyMD@reddit
Yeah, but it also doesn't matter if the question is "is the proportion of people using the card over the minimum threshold to appear in the hardware survey" (which is clearly what's being referenced) rather than the pedantic "did it ever appear in the hardware survey".
resetallthethings@reddit
lol
you all are funny
here https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=chg
it's there
it was before the February survey also
resetallthethings@reddit
Nah, the person asked "has it even appeared on the hardware survey yet"
To which the answer is yes
And hey, guess what, it just crossed back up over the minimum threshold anyways
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
Nope
resetallthethings@reddit
false
Asgardisalie@reddit
He is correct.
resetallthethings@reddit
He is not, it has since dropped back off the list under the minimum threshold, but it was on there as early as last December. China hit and it has since dropped back under the minimum threshold to be reported
resetallthethings@reddit
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-finally-shows-up-in-steams-hardware-survey
ryanvsrobots@reddit
months old
resetallthethings@reddit
so?
They asked if it had shown up yet (which means ever), and it has.
Oh and guess what? It is there again for March (the latest) hardware survey https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=chg
ryanvsrobots@reddit
I mean you can read the comment you replied to and figure it out. I believe in you.
resetallthethings@reddit
I did, that's why I replied
what deep and eccentric understanding of the English language do you possess that somehow makes you right and me wrong, pray tell?
resetallthethings@reddit
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-finally-shows-up-in-steams-hardware-survey
Zarmazarma@reddit
Link it? I just checked and can confirm it's not on there.
resetallthethings@reddit
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-finally-shows-up-in-steams-hardware-survey
imKaku@reddit
Yah it shows up, at 2.5% ... of Linux users.
Guilty_Rooster_6708@reddit
Lol you almost got me in the first half.
DavidsSymphony@reddit
Steve willing to die on this hill despite Nvidia having record sales with the 50 series and having 95%+ of the market share is weird as hell. It's like he's had a narrative since the start and he refuses to let go.
horizon936@reddit
I almost feel like Hardware Unboxed are sponsored by AMD and Digital Foundry by Nvidia.
At least Digital Foundry produces so many examples that people can judge things for themselves. A bit harder with the more limited visual examples provided by Hardware Unboxed.
AJ1666@reddit
I think it’s just personal bias. He doesn’t like nvidia and it shows.
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
Yes it's just Steve, the other guy is fine when reporting these kinds of stuff
Future-Option-6396@reddit
Tim is very chill.
As for Steve, I think I heard him once say he flat out doesn’t care about Nvidia features.
fashric@reddit
Because he only plays Fortnite? You can not use or like features yourself but still be objective about them. Some of you guys are just ridiculous.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
Fortnite has Nvidia features too funny enough
fashric@reddit
And? He has said he plays with all the settings at low or similar negating any need for upscaling or frame gen.
JakeTappersCat@reddit
Why would anyone like nvidia after all the terrible shit they are doing to destroy gaming? Lol
AJ1666@reddit
Most of his content is fair, but things like DLSS upscaling there is some bias. Like you said nvidia have made it easy to dislike them but it shows in his videos.
fashric@reddit
What are you even talking about. He is always agreeing that Nvidia features are a big selling point. Just making shit up because he's not on his knees unzipping Jensen like you guys.
AJ1666@reddit
He hardly includes upscaling in videos, which is very useful at higher resolutions. Tim’s review on DLSS 4 and 4.5 show that it works really well and looks good.
So you have 1 person showing how well upscaling is, then you have Steve barely include it in his videos. Always emphasising raster performance.
fashric@reddit
He does the hardware benchmarking Tim does the features.....not really hard to grasp.
AJ1666@reddit
What part are you not understanding? Steve’s emphasis on raster and very little effort on upscaling. Literally goes against Tim’s showcases on DLSS and FSR.
You can’t have 1 person showing how good upscaling is. Then then next guy is very negative in upscaling. Just feels very biased on Steve’s side.
fashric@reddit
I'm not understanding why you feel the need to lie.
AJ1666@reddit
Go watch the crimson desert gpu benchmark. Very small section includes upscaling and is very limited testing. He literally says he doesn’t like upscaling.
Then compare to Tim’s DLSS and FSR videos.
fashric@reddit
He didn't say that at all. He said he prefers native data for comparing performance and that Tim suggested using DLSS 4.0 over 4.5. He never commented on whether he likes or not.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
He bought for his daughter 5080 although she plays light games and 9070/xt will fly through them. He even personally uses nvidia
Future-Option-6396@reddit
Owning Nvidia, but recommending AMD? The classic…
Plenty_Demand8904@reddit
Classic buying Nvidia yourself but telling other to buy AMD in the hope that makes AMD more competetive and forces nvidia to drop the price.
It is the same with people telling other to wait and not upgrade their shitty old card in order to not support these greedy companies while they themselves have a new card.
AJ1666@reddit
It’s more the way he presents his videos. A lot of the times it fair, but for things like DLSS upscaling the bias shows.
Squery7@reddit
I don't think any channel that does benchmarks values the 5070ti much more over the 9070xt tho, also if you look at the comments on any channel you would guess that amd is 90% of the market lol
n0stalghia@reddit
They've been a bit anti-Nvidia/anti-DLSS biased during early DLSS days. After Nvidia threatened them and that story went public via GamersNexus/LinusTechTips, they have had a very strong anti-NVidia bias. Take any of their GPU related reviews with a grain of salt; even if their benchmarks won't like, the writing will find some way to make AMD look good (or at least less bad).
Good reviews for other products, though.
MrCleanRed@reddit
You mean dlss1, which was rightfully called garbage. From dlss2 both of them have said that its a no brainer to turn dlss2 on
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
No, DLSS 1 died years before that. DLSS 2 was launched for a year before this
MrCleanRed@reddit
I think the guy i replied to is mistaking ray tracing wth DLSS
chapstickbomber@reddit
DLSS2 still looks hella fried imo
Future-Option-6396@reddit
I remember the 9070xt fine wine video being debunked by TechYesCity lmao. Hub trying to say it was a performance gain but it they just bad first review drivers to which they were comparing it to lol.
KARMAAACS@reddit
I'll never forget TechYesCity blasting Tom from MLID on NotAnAppleFan's podcast saying he was confused about all these AMD Radeon friendly questions on Tom's podcast when everyone he interacts with basically uses NVIDIA. TechYesCity knows better than anyone what actual gamers are using because he literally buys used hardware off people and sells his own builds to gamers, he has his ear to the ground on anything PC consumer related.
popop143@reddit
Nvidia doesn't have 95% though, people just got confused by DirectX12 GPUs having 95% now. The past 12 months the highest Nvidia has is 83%, with AMD around 10-12% while Intel at most at 5%. It's also easily available at Steam, so I don't know why you people are spouting the 95% bullshit.
nukleabomb@reddit
The 95 is from JPR's GPU shipments report.
IronLordSamus@reddit
And you think those are consumers buying those?
Exciting_Macaroon_64@reddit
i personally bought 5070ti
Stoyfan@reddit
I have on in my PC lol
laffer1@reddit
They have some of the best benchmark data but Steve’s takes are often questionable. I don’t mind Tim
imKaku@reddit
This is the problem of being a bigger/smaller number, better product. The wacky thing is that they admit AMD has screwed over their customer base in the past by not offering upscaling to older customers. And yet they keep recommending them blindly, only mentioning it when it’s convenient. I see a lot of AMD fans being genuinely upset by this.
Like AMD, they do have a 18% share of gamers (Steam Survey). I just believe people have mostly bought the GPUs when they eventually get price dumped. The 9000 just isn’t as popular as HB Steve wants/believes them to be. For a lot of people, spending another $ 100 when you are spending $ 600 isn’t the worst of deals - especially if you have an NVIDIA card from before you are happy with.
I don’t think NVIDIA or AMD sells that many GPUs now; people tend to just build/buy systems combined. I can buy a 9070 XT for MSRP right now if I wanted, and would have if I needed a GPU right now. But if I had a worse GPU, I would have bought some during Black Friday when 5070 Ti’s were significantly below MSRP. 5070s i have seen for 5060 TI 16 GB prices.
Prices dont exist in isolation. Most people who have needs a GPU have bought one, dont afford one or are waiting for next generation at this point. I saw a lot of promises of better 9070 xt availbility at late parts of last year, but i saw Nvidia cards significantly better discounted then 9070 XTs.
uneducatedramen@reddit
To be fair the prebuilts with nvidia outweigh the prebuilts with amd to like 7 to 3. At least in Hungary.
EdliA@reddit
There is a reason for that, they see what prebuilts are selling what is not, they have the sale data.
railven@reddit
So a 2:1 ratio, but volume numbers are closer to 9:1.
Let's be honest, NV is moving tons of units (at least to suppliers), and while DIY is a fraction of the market for some reason we want to use DIY data to explain market trends.
HUB picked a horse, its losing, and they are doing everything they can to deny it.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Prebuilts 7-3 vs almost 0 to god knows what on laptops which move almost 80% of the market share total.
GrapeAdvocate3131@reddit
It's just wishful thinking at this point. If they repeat this line VERY HARD it might become true someday.
Guilty_Rooster_6708@reddit
Weird hill to die on when Steam and various surveys show that the 5070Ti has more shares than the 9070XT. Is this an April’s Fool joke
zerGoot@reddit
how much of that is from before the production of the 5070 Ti was "supposedly" slowed down?
jrocAD@reddit
This is reddit, truth gets downvoted. Feels are upvoted :)
Guilty_Rooster_6708@reddit
I think on Steam Hardware Survey the 5070Ti still have higher shares than 9070XT which is not on the list if iirc.
Ik that’s just one survey but Steam hardware is more trustworthy than Mindfactory’s sales numbers which Steve’s referred too. Especially when Mindfactory was heading for bankruptcy last year.
Vivid-Software6136@reddit
The reason mind factory sales data isn't useful has nothing to do with their financials. They just serve an extremely unrepresentative segment of the market, Europe leans more towards AMD generally the German DIY market especially so.
Guilty_Rooster_6708@reddit
I should have worded that better, Mindfactory’s sales are not representative to their data, but the fact that they’re heading to bankruptcy/in the midst of restructuring might affect their stock of GPUs and thus their sale volumes.
I would love to read more about your claim that Europeans lean more towards AMD. This is the first time I hear that
Asgardisalie@reddit
Because it's fake, Europeans buy ten hundred times more Nvidia GPUs than AMD.
Guilty_Rooster_6708@reddit
Seems like they have no source to back up after all. Imagine lying to defend your favorite gaming GPU brand lol. Dude needs to touch grass
CompetitiveAutorun@reddit
There is also another reason. Mindfactory heavily favors amd in pricing. If you are buying amd gpu you will properly buy it on mindfactory, if you buy Nvidia GPU you will find a better deal somewhere else.
UpsetKoalaBear@reddit
He’s also just disregarding how much the retailers are taking.
Here in the UK, it’s mainly retailers taking the piss.
Cards like the MSI Ventus are still going for just above normal markup for AIB’s.
That’s a normal consumer electronics shop, you look at Overclockers (a PC retailer) and they’re charging £50 more.
Clearly half the pricing is just retailers.
TheCookieButter@reddit
Good lord.
My 5070 TI Prime OC was £730 on launch which already felt like a rip off after my 3080.
it's £1000+ on most major retailers right now. Overclockers is the cheapest I see at £900.
UpsetKoalaBear@reddit
I got mine for £699 just before Christmas. £730 was the MSRP though.
Hence I linked the Box deal and the Overclockers one, one is charging way more than the other for the exact same card.
TheCookieButter@reddit
I was still shocked to see a £140 on my model. Really shows how much of pricing is just retailer decisions. Curry's was the most expensive I saw though and I'd class them as a "normal computer shop".
Gippy_@reddit
Hot take, I disagree that $1K is a bad price for the 5070Ti. Yes, we know what the 5070Ti MSRP is $750. However, this card is just as fast as the 4080 Super which came out just 2 years ago for $1K. Reviewers need to stop being spoiled over wanting major price to performance increases in such a short period of time. If the 4080 Super for $1K two years ago was an OK deal, then so is the 5070Ti when they perform essentially the same, and the only cards significantly better are the 4090 and 5090. (The 5080 at $1400-$1500 is a joke and still isn't faster than the 4090.)
Consider that you get less RAM, HDD, and SSD at the same price than 2 years ago and hey, maybe the GPU pricing isn't as atrocious as everything else.
slayermcb@reddit
Or... hot take... they are all overpriced including the 4080...
Gippy_@reddit
Have you seen what the 5090 is currently going for? $5000?
$1000 to get roughly half of the performance of a $5000 5090 is a relative bargain.
slayermcb@reddit
But thats based on $5000 being a reasonable value. This generations cards are horribly priced compared to other generations because they purposefully created scarcity.
TrippleDamage@reddit
Lmao what a shit take.
"1000 dollar for a 70 level card is perfectly fine"
Qsand0@reddit
Okay Jensen
godrontendreo@reddit
Are there any tech youtubers that are capable of doing coverage on Nvidia without acting like a petty child?
biggestketchuphater@reddit
Daniel Owen. He's still clickbaity but at least he talks like a normal person.
IANVS@reddit
People are finally realizing what a joke HUB is...they should stick to monitor reviews and comparison graphs, and leave analysis and commentaries to someone else.
2FastHaste@reddit
Gotta say, monitors unboxed is amazing. Tim has been really cooking with that.
zerinho6@reddit
Why does he keep poking that nest? It's a useless discussion that won't teach anything to anyone, won't solve the problem, and will not help the current sentiment around the channel having a strong position about discussions that end up with nothing happens.
Who cares what NVIDIA "will be quick to tell you"? Less than 0% of the NVIDIA user base will see a word from the company about why their products are expensive.
Of course I'm only talking about that first section, no one has issue with the roundup.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Because asus rep told them 5070ti models getting eol
Hub: That means all the whole 5070ti is eol
Nvidia: Wait no, its ram supply issue 5070ti is not eol
Asus: Its not eol sorry
Hub: Can we have 5070ti models then if its not eol?
Asus:....
Hub: See its eol
Nvidia: What?
3 months later 5070ti models still in stock
Hub: Nvidia is actually limiting supply its not demand
....
2FastHaste@reddit
That made my day, hahaha.
EdliA@reddit
It's drama farming, trying to capitalize on nvidia hate. Whatever brings in the clicks.
Future-Option-6396@reddit
Simple outrage. He was getting roasted on Twitter because of it.
ZekeSulastin@reddit
Presumably because it makes him the most money?
EiffelPower76@reddit
Still RTX 5070 Ti is a good graphics card.
But if you think it's too expensive, buy the RX 9070 XT, almost as good
lifestealsuck@reddit
It take me half a month to persuasion myself (and mental preparation into buying the 9070xt (-200$ vs 5070ti ) .
Hotnestly not that bad , I still have the 3070 in my pc , both dlss4 and fsr4 look good enough that I dont really care about the difference .
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
JRR and steam statistics says otherwise, Nvidia is now 96% percent of the market
bob69joe@reddit
It’s just my anecdotal evidence but I don’t believe that the Steam survey is even close to accurate. For instance back during Black Friday last year myself and a few of friends all upgraded to 9070s when they could be had for $400.
Since then not one of us have been asked to do a hardware survey. But when I was on Nvidia before this I would get asked multiple times per year. I don’t think there is any incentive for Valve to lie on behalf of Nvidia, so I wonder if there is just a glitch in how it decides to ask for a survey.
ThinkinBig@reddit
On the flip side I have 3 seperate Intel/Nvidia laptops and 1 single Ryzen 7840u handheld and only the handheld has gotten the Steam hardware survey, it works both ways
steve09089@reddit
This is what we call statistics, where we sample only a part of the population at a time.
bob69joe@reddit
That only works if the sample is truly random. I was talking about my anecdotal evidence pointing to the sampling method being biased.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Just look at their gaming revenues, you'll have to guesstimate, subtract console sales from revenue probably like 40%
Recktion@reddit
Most steam users are Chinese. Most Chinese use PC cafes. Pretty much all of those PCs are Nvidia.
The steam data represents China and then the west.
BarKnight@reddit
He's using data from that one shop in Germany (which filed for bankruptcy).
steve09089@reddit
If you used that as a data source, you would think AMD owned the world.
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
The same source being repeated by the AMD sub
sascharobi@reddit
Yeah, they love that single source.
ILoveTheAtomicBomb@reddit
Mindfactory?? Lol, what a joke then. If you only look at them, Nvidia might as well not exist
BausTidus@reddit
Computerbase had a survey as well which would suggest that the 9070x is one of the best selling cards, in reality it just shows how small the german diy market is compared to global prebuilt sales.
inyue@reddit
You can do the same "survey" on reddit and get the same results. If steam survey wasn't random you would also get the same results.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
Then why are official reports and revenues not aligning?
ILoveTheAtomicBomb@reddit
Ahh they completely slipped my mind too. Good point!
fashric@reddit
Retailers with actual sales figures I sleep, steam survey that has zero credibility real shit.
From-UoM@reddit
If the 7900xtx was selling like indfactory said it was, a top tier rdna4 would have been here.
That's all them prof you need of how meaningless Mindfactory numbers are.
Due-Cupcake-255@reddit
eh steam says mid 80s. But it might just be a glitch. There's another mid 80s spike on the graph. I would give it a few more months before taking the current number at face value.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Nvidia is still moving other units, but just limiting 5070ti for some reason. Maybe relocating it to pro cards
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
5070ti 1.24%, 9070xt not even registered
TrippleDamage@reddit
I've yet to get my 9070xt to register on the steam survey, always shows as integrated amd GPU lol
Not like I care, but it's something I've noticed and read plenty of times on here as well
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Because there are more 5070ti with oems in inventory. It will take some time before diy even reflects on steam
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
So it's not false then when Nvidia says there is high demand for the 5070ti
BarKnight@reddit
They DIY claim is just cope.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Nvidia themselves said due to ram issues they'll allocate towards 5060, & 5080,5090. Its probably the main reason why prices increased drastically.
But 5070ti should have demand, its the cheapest 16gb nvidia card beside 4070ti super
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
You keep avoiding the statement, 5070ti has a much higher demand than 9070xt or any AMD GPU. Hardware unboxed biased claims means nothing
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
5070ti has higher demand than 9070xt or any amd gpu.
ea_man@reddit
Because you can use that very model for inference, I'd say.
5060 16GB has slow bus.
Wonderful-Lack3846@reddit
Reason= it is costly. It provides less profit margin compared to other carss in the line up.
Same for 5060 Ti 16GB
popop143@reddit
I don't know where you people get your 96% figure. Steam Survey is public. Past 12 months, the highest share of Nvidia is 84%, which is Feb 2026. The 96% figure is for DirectX 12 GPUs, not Nvidia GPUs.
mdl397@reddit
This channel has never lined up with my personal experience. My 5070ti is kicking butt and completely dunks on the snake oil 9070xt I returned.
Amd is still terrible. They will never get frame pacing correct.
timfountain4444@reddit
I'm just going to continue to use my R9-5950X, 64GB DDR4, 3090ti rig for as long as possible. It's still holding up well and with the insanity right now, it's just a big nope, not going to play this particular game. NVIDIA can you stuck their head up their ass...
KeplerBepler@reddit
I don’t watch this channel, and neither should you
sascharobi@reddit
Correct.
Sharp_eee@reddit
What happened to the whole 5070ti’s are being discontinued saga? There was a huge amount of drama about that yet they can still be purchased.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
It was normal nvidia rage bait
BarKnight@reddit
Is this an April Fools joke?
railven@reddit
You know, I didn't think of that...
I pray it is.
How is HUB so highly praised around here. With GN basically embarrassing themselves with every new video, the new generation of "enthusiasts" is going to ... well I won't get into that.
Culbrelai@reddit
I don’t get it either. Yet I get downvoted for calling them AMD unboxed. GN in shambles too with clickbait every other video. At least king Wendell is still great
f1rstx@reddit
It’s nice to see this place is fed up with glorified bloggers. Amount of doom and gloom, misinformation and pushing narratives is just so tiresome
imaginary_num6er@reddit
If it doesn't work well = April Fools
If it works well = Not April Fools in Australia
LilQueazy@reddit
Click bait
PsychologicalNoise@reddit
Pc gaming as we knew it is dead
Aos77s@reddit
Bought a 9070xt because the 5070ti made zero sense at its price point. $1k vs $700 same perf on avg.
Wish i had gotten a 5080 when they were $1k though. $1400 is nuta
Guilty_Rooster_6708@reddit
There was a case to argue about 5070ti vs 9070XT when the price gap was $50-$100. Going for a 5070Ti with a $300 price gap is ridiculous unless you need it for work
hackenclaw@reddit
if all the 9000 series has such price gap, AMD would have regain so much market share lol.
DutchieTalking@reddit
Seems like the better buy if you're untreated in AI stuff. For gaming the premium doesn't seem worth it.
Omniwar@reddit
When 5080 was $1k the 5070ti was generally available at MSRP though. I got a 5080 for $1050 on launch day and still somewhat wish I had waited for the 5070ti to release 3 weeks later. They're basically the same performance tier.
Aos77s@reddit
Bought a 9070xt because the 5070ti made zero sense at its price point. $1k vs $700 same perf on avg.
Wish i had the 4070 super and was fine with it until i started hitting vram cap at 2k max settings.
Darksider123@reddit
I see this thread is already brigaded by bots
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
I see you're downvoted but it's true. The top rated posts in this thread are from a couple of brand warriors who are putting up their own strawmen and throwing stones from their glass houses.
One of them has made quite a few unhinged posts on this sub... too bad they've hidden their post histories recently.
flourit3@reddit
This sub always gets so tribal sometimes as if they’re shareholders in the company they defending, especially when they bring up marketshare alongside steam hardware surveys as if later is the gospel. Ridiculous.
Darksider123@reddit
Don't you know that marketshare means that nvidia is always correct and everyone else is wrong???
Short-Juggernaut-374@reddit
He should criticize AMD every week if he wants them to improve instead of making clickbait videos about Nvidia.
UpsetKoalaBear@reddit
I noticed it during his coverage of the 9600XT.
He states that he doesn’t recommend the 8GB model. Instead he recommends the 16GB model as a “budget” card.
If the definition of budget has stretched to >$350 cards, then it’s no longer budget.
Nowhere in that video does he suggest that a card like the B580 might be a better value at that price point of $250.
Half the reason companies are getting away with raising prices and offering a worse price/perf ratio is because reviewers keep redefining the price point for budget cards.
BarKnight@reddit
That's because only NVIDIA and Intel offer cards for less than $250 and that does not cater to his fanbase.
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
Intel sure but a 3050 is false economy especially the 6GB joke card.
BarKnight@reddit
There is an 8GB 5050
imaginary_num6er@reddit
There's also the rumored 5050 'Super' 9GB
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
For very high shelf prices that can very well put to other cards.
qazzq@reddit
You reckon it's that, rather than those $250 cards being 30 FPS cards or cards that randomly just don't work in games?
ea_man@reddit
5070 ti 16GB is the first card of this gen you may wanna buy for inference, the 5060 has half the bus and compute is quite sad.
If it came at a decent price I would buy two so everybody is buying those old 3090 24GB.
that_70_show_fan@reddit
Why buy a consumer grade card when workstation class make more sense for the people you are talking about?
ea_man@reddit
money bro
Go check the price of those used 3090
Rencrack@reddit
Hub and their agenda as usual
ElDubardo@reddit
I really like my 5070ti with DLSS on my dual4k
Ok_Fish285@reddit
I got mine for MSRP and it's probably the first GeForce card I got that didn't feel like a rip off since my 1080TI. I think it will age gracefully, unlike my 3080, which is probably one of the worse against card I've had similarly to the Fury X. I do play at 4K.
imKaku@reddit
What´s funny about about current situation 5070 ti at MSRP had a lower MSRP then 3080. 5070 TI is just a slightly handycapped 5080. Its legit been a good deal for the majority of its lifetime, 1k now though is too much. But it´s still better then the prices 3080s were going for during its early/mid life cycle, also have way better avability.
diabetic_debate@reddit
G9 57"? Same combination here.
ElDubardo@reddit
Yes i mostly play in windowed 4k anyway. It's as large as my previous 21:9
diabetic_debate@reddit
I don't play any games other than tried AC Odyssey and MSFS just to test this combination but yeah it's glorious. I only tried AC in 5120x1440 but did try MSFS at native res. Wish I was into gaming to enjoy it more.
otravoyadnoe@reddit
So glad I got one at its MSRP right before the prices went up. At $750, it’s easily one of the best GPUs one could buy.
ShadowsGuardian@reddit
I really didnt understand the purpose of HW video, besides maybe a planned release.
Especially on April 1st I thought there was a joke in there... but maybe the joke were the fcked prices all along?
gabeandjanet@reddit
Gpus have never been more boring, ever. There is nothing exciting to buy and nothing exciting to look forward to.
Blackwell is a huge disappointment, same rt performance per tier than ada and any extra performance in general comes at the cost of stupidly high increases in power draw.
Prices are way too high and availability is there so there is no fomo to trick people like during the crypto days.
No new exciting technology, dlss has become a performance hog with the new version which defeats the entire fucking point.
I dont need a better upscaler dlss 3 and 4 are fine, i need a gpu that can calculate enough rays to make water and reflections not look like ass and make shadows not boil and lighting not lacking.
Im not interested in more expensive denoisers that dont actually solve the problem while being a very costly bandaid that causes a host of new visual problems and glitches and compatibility issues.
The conspiracy theorist in me says that nvidia knows we are about a 3-4 x increase in rt capability away from path tracing delivering enough accuracy and resolution to make lighting and shadows work more than good enough for real time graphics without issues.
They only seem interested in keeping performance insufficient while wasting more and more power on shitty "ai" bandaids to keep the goal out of reach.
ConcaveNips@reddit
You mean nvidia is driving up prices on their products out of pure greed? gasp
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Why is Nvidia limiting 5070ti supply? Arent they afraid of 9070xt getting 80% more sales?
Electrical_Zebra8347@reddit
I doubt Nvidia cares about the 9070xt, AMD doesn't have enough mindshare or even enough volume to really change the equation plus the products themselves aren't comparable to the average user. You're more likely to see people settle for cheaper nvidia cards than buy a 9070xt if they don't want to overpay for a 5070ti.
EdliA@reddit
The VRAM has gotten too expensive
steve09089@reddit
Why would they be worried?
AMD still doesn’t supply OEMs, a majority of where sales come from, plus, while the 5070 Ti’s price is now inflated, so is AMD’s offerings, to the point the price gap in terms of percentage is only 4% higher than before (when checking PCPartPicker, at Micro Center it’s just as skewed towards NVIDIA but I felt like that’s kind of cheating)
imKaku@reddit
This shitty rumor gotta stop. AMD 100% supply OEMs. I could not find a single OEM that didn't have AMD Dedicated GPUs available. Do they sell less AMD cards in OEM PCs, yes? Because people prefer buying Nvidia.
Locke357@reddit (OP)
Saving chips for the AI bubble
ea_man@reddit
You know it's not just "big corporations", those can buy enterprise hw .
It's all the small business, coders that do buy consumer hardware as much it is available under 10K.
ea_man@reddit
Because it can be used for inference, they would rather sell the pro series for that.
Baalii@reddit
My uneducated guess is that margins are diminished on it compared to a 5080 cause both are 16GB so they're better off selling 5080s.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Both 5070ti & 5080 are $250 over msrp ... Plus we dont even know allocation figures of the cards
e30kid@reddit
The cost to make a 5080 and 5070 ti are likely exactly the same. If there is a limited amount of RAM allocated to consumer GPUs they are going to allocate it to the product with higher margins
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Considering ai. Not much
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Although steam is bugged this month. 5080 1.66% has more share than 5070ti 1.27%. If its not much 9070xt is no visibility means...
ConfidencePast6763@reddit
I'm still waiting for that GPU to be killed off (their words, not mine)
A 5700x3D is the perfect exemple of a product that has been "discontinued" (also another word they used about the 5070ti before updating it when they realize they were talking sh*t) no matter where I look I can't even buy it unless I go for second hand market where it's insanely overprice.
By contrast, the 5070 Ti remains available, albeit at a higher price. Why? because:
1/ it is still being produced.
2/ at a lower amount because there is a shortage of RAM that is even impacting CPU prices (AMD is raising CPU prices by up to 15%).
All of this suggests they were too quick to publish that video claiming the 5070 Ti was being “killed off” in early 2026. They were mistaken which, of course, happens to everyone. What’s less convincing is the attempt to quietly shift the narrative afterward, rather than simply acknowledging the mistake.
"0 accountability, let's just blame ASUS for our lack of professionalism" - Hardware Unboxed prolly.
JakeTappersCat@reddit
nvidia bot defense force really crushed this post. Great work guys!
Plenty_Demand8904@reddit
"Nvidia has limited the supply of the RTX 5070 Ti GPUs"
is this a case of stocking the cards somewhere or simply not allocating more capacity to the production of 5070tis?
Future-Option-6396@reddit
Y’all should realize he’s full of shit after using Mindfactory numbers for his claim lmao.
Live_Celebration374@reddit
I'll be honest, I didn't watch the 20 minute video but just replying to this blurb...
Isn't the idea that the "public" isn't buying GPU's but instead corporations and the ilk? Isn't that why the prices skyrocketed in the first place? Same with memory, SSD's and soon CPU's?
littleemp@reddit
Corporations aren't installing steam and running the hardware survey.
lonestar-rasbryjamco@reddit
No corporation is going out and buying a 5070 TI.
Thats like arguing the price of a Prius because of the demand for long haul freight trucks.
WJMazepas@reddit
Corporations are buying the corporate GPUs(Quadro and others like it)
Nvidia is producing much more of those GPUs in detriment of their consumer line up, so there's less availability of 5070Tis and others GPUs
But price increases in GPUs is also due to increase in memory costs
l1qq@reddit
I was really on the fence with buying last fall because I wanted to wait for rumored Super series. I'm so glad I bit the bullet and got my Asus Prime at MSRP. It's such a great card and the uv/oc has been great.