The AI and Human Intelligence Valley I Fear Most
Posted by KnowL0ve@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 11 comments
I keep seeing how easily humans are being mislead by AI, but I keep telling myself that that is why AI is being invested into so heavily, so that eventually something on this planet will be lead by intelligence and the planet can have a better future. But I thought today in the context of collapse, what happens if we can't ever get to that point either by it's just impossible or we humans don't have enough resources to get us to that point, so Earth becomes an amalgamation of wrong AI, people who blindly follow the wrong AI, and rebellious humans who keep the destructive status quo going? A planet trapped in the valley of declining human intelligence and AI not able to rise enough to meet ours.
Gentle_Capybara@reddit
I don't have enough study to consider myself a Marxist, but I believe almost everything that happens nowadays is about taking over the means of production.
For example, working class / consumers are being priced out of computer hardware because the chain of production of RAM, SSDs, GPUs and CPUs are heavily bottlenecked and the "AI" (not real AI, actually LLM) bubble is trying to take all the hardware for itself.
But the backdrop is, these corporations that are now shoving "AI" up everyone's arses since the 80's made money by selling stuff to consumers. That's "old" capitalism. But computers now are means of production. The new capitalism, or late-stage capitalism, is a rewind to Feudalism in which you don't buy or sell anything, you rent it. What we "should" have now is lower-capacity terminals through which we rent computing capacity from the corporations. Windows 11 and background software that gets more and more bloated are a huge part in this scheme, sine they make our current computers artificially obsolete. They are pricing us out from new stuff and torturing our old stuff at the same time. What's left is renting capacity from SaaS, specially when "you absolutely need to use AI". That's the new peasantry.
Now, what if human intelligence is also a means of production? I really believe it is. And what if the working class are being "priced out" of its own intelligence? This is actually happening right now. Fewer and fewer people can think for themselves nowadays. Everyone's under massive propaganda, AI slop everywhere, no attention span whatsoever. A whole new generation of workers and students already can't write a full sentence without chatGPT. And old people with cellphones are basically living in a parallel mental world of slop and facebook bots.
What happens when most of the humanity stops fully dominating language, human relations and knowledge? Will we rent more and more brain capacity from corporations?
periwinklestar1@reddit
So whatyou're saying is they want to steal our minds like a memetic hazard? That makes sense actually. When people are desperate they tend to be easily lead astray by others ideas but never their own. Inviting but dangerous. Filling our minds with slop to turn everything into slop. Picture
Dapper_Succotash9826@reddit
Let me add to this that AI represents a blended, vanilla flavored neurotypical intelligence - i.e. we know even in the human domain there can be no such thing as a maximum pure intelligence. Many types of Intelligences exist and maximizing them in different combinations produces unique capabilities. Have you also heard of non-neurotypical workers doing well in the age of vanilla intelligence?
disco_octopus@reddit
thissss! AI is so neurotypical! and when many engineers, inventors, etc are currently neurodivergent, it changes everything.
DeltaShadowSquat@reddit
AI is being developed to make money.
FrownsRUs@reddit
The billionaires are betting everything that the current architecture will lead to AGI if they scale it as massively as they can. From what I've read, that point seems debatable. Some of the machine learning experts think this path can't lead to new growth the way CEOs want. But now every billionaire wants to be the first, so they are in an arms race against each other.
Personally, I think they don't even give a shit about climate change and the end of our biomes. I think they want an AGI because they have convinced themselves a superintelligence will show them how to transfer their consciousness to a machine structure in such a way that they can live forever without their original consciousness ever dying. It's the one thing I can see that really drives all of them. They are emotionally and psychologically broken people who can't cope with the inevitability of their own demise. They are like perpetual children, believing forever in frankly ridiculous fairy tales.
It would be laughable if they weren't also messing with the rest of humanity and nature in the process of pursuing their little fever dream.
KnowL0ve@reddit (OP)
I did not think about the motivation simply being immortality. Good point.
FrownsRUs@reddit
One of those guys is getting blood transfusions from his own son. These people are so bizarre.
FieldsofBlue@reddit
I don't get why people are so mystified by ai. These LLM tools basically guess the most probable coherent next word based on context clues and will just guess bullshit when it doesn't have a good answer. They're so rudimentary and flawed and it's bizarre how everybody seems to think they're going to take over everything.
KnowL0ve@reddit (OP)
The reason I do is that I see people ceding to it willingly and enthusiastically everyday, whether or not it is capable of it.
Flaccidchadd@reddit
I don't see any reason to believe that intelligence alone, AI or otherwise, leads to ecological or "sustainable" behavior. Life exists precisely because it dissipates an energy gradient operating far from equilibrium. Intelligence is an adaptation that increases fitness by enabling better and more energy capture strategies, so intelligence evolved to optimize something very close to the opposite of sustainability.
As far as the reason for the huge investments, I believe that the multipolar trap between competing nations means that if there is even a chance for a new technology to lead to total dominance, then there is a very strong incentive to go all in, very similar to the development of nukes.