What does this sub think of this solidarity?

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I love how Turkey doesn't see Serbia as a friendly state and yet they are out #2 tourists after Chinese. I'll say this as someone who lives off tourists and has a store in the main street, there hasn't been a single week where I haven't met several Turkish people and I have to say it's very easy to bond with you guys and I always have a lot of fun talking about sports, traveling, food

I'll say that I personally think that 1/10 Turks MAYBE doesn't like Serbia/ns or whoever, rest of them are just-nice people, similar to us but yet so diffrent. I Love my Turkish Arkadash's

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lagash-nergal@reddit

If that's the case why do we invest so much in Serbia lol? I swear all the buses in Belgrade were either old and rusty or Turkish, lots of Turkish brands too, banks, etc.

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Handzir@reddit

My girlfriend is Turkish and literally everyone I've met in Turkey so far has had only positive things to say about Serbia. Barring her father who's not too happy about the prospect of his daughter marrying a yabancı and a random Kurdish taxi driver who advised me not to say I was Serbian as "Turks would kill me". Thank God it was like my 10th time in Istanbul so I knew he was straight up talking nonsense.

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Lazmanya_Reshored@reddit

i bet he's being oppressed by uber drivers in this fascist segregation country as a poor and sad minority.

(obviously sarcasm)

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44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit

I know how you felt exactly . Some people who haven't crossed the border in decades were worried because I live in Croatia and have a girlfriend there as Serbian. Bro, I've met 1000 people, let's say 10 of them are those people but that is only positive from my perspective. I've spent some time volunteering abroad, there were 13,14 nationalities in that place, first night-me,my (ex) girlfriend,our Portuguese "boss" or should I say GAZDA and a Turkish guy (I think Demir was his name but it's rather surname) were behind that building smoking joints and already knew practically everything basic about each other. Safe to say three of us didn't eat separately not one time. Two of us would wait for them (his girlfriend who was more introvert and didn't like that we smoked but overall we laughed every day) and kept them spots or opposite. That happened literally since day one and I told him about the store and everything from my og comment and it turned out his cousin was in my store and knows my mother and her best friend.

Sorry for overwriting 😁

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Atvaaa@reddit

I wouldn't want you to doxx yourself but next time Im in Belgrade I would love to visit the store 🤠

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44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit

Ajde, there's 56% you will because it's like one of two restaurants in bazaar street, except this is opposite so it stands out for tourists-for local people no 😁

If the road brings you, bujrum! (I know it not written as it should but you know the point)

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reiwhy@reddit

Taxi drivers and barbers often like to talk nonsense as if they know everything. That's such a native experience!

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Alptraumen@reddit

Never believe a word of taxi-driver bro, ESPECIALLY, in Istanbul. We love our servian brothers and sisters

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efesusss@reddit

We actually like Serbians, it’s just that we prefer Bosnians and Albanians over them, the two groups they clash the most with. We side with them, so it gives the impression that we have something against Serbia. Serbia itself is not disliked or anything

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Atvaaa@reddit

Je tebe volim brat

idk if this is grammatically correct the last time I heard serbian was in Montenegro

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Ordinary_Ad5862@reddit

Ja te volim brate is correct.

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blumonste@reddit

Turkey doesn't see Serbia as a friendly country? Since when?

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44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit

To be fair bro I never felt that way untill I instaled Reddit 4,5 years ago, I was relaying on my personal experience but in reality if you judge trough internet (which is what I did here) you'll be wrong most likely.

Also, since 1300's to 1800's for sure 😂

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blumonste@reddit

Reddit is thankfully not representative of reality. Lots of adolescent drama here.

I took this photo a couple of months ago in Serbia. My first visit and I like the people and the country down to the border guards, very friendly people.

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Atvaaa@reddit

God its so cheap

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Ready_Substance8456@reddit

Been to Belgrade last summer, great city 🇹🇷❤️🇷🇸

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Young_Owl99@reddit

Visa free tourism really improved our relations.

Serbia is seen as number one visa free Europe experience among the Turks. It replaced Ukraine.

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Chance-Caterpillar38@reddit

Turks do love Serbians. Only thing is Turks love Bosnians as well and the war (and the war crimes) in the 90s against Bosnians made things complicated.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

It is because of the visas regime.

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44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit

Vlla I don't need a visa for let's say China or Germany but I just don't feel like going there for now still, even tho I have 40+ countries I'd rather wait for Japan visa and go there instead even tho it's more everything: money, papers, worries, savings, time you name it

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Sepse ke shum opsione. Kur ne s'na lejohej, ne Turqi dilnim mese shumti per pushime.

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44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit

Можда бих разумео као изговор, али слаб сам са Албанским-знам двадесетак речи укупно.

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NecessaryDisaster498@reddit

I love how Turkey doesn't see Serbia as a friendly state

I yet have to meet a single turk saying that.

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thelessandbestofme@reddit

The world without racists and wars will always be appreciated. Discrimination of a whole nation because of history or a strong percentage of opposing ideas/or evil people, shouldnt be a thing. We would all be friends if there were no greedy psychopaths.

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stabbystabbison@reddit

That’s amazing to hear, but in all honesty every single Serb I’ve met in my life (not many to be fair) act like I’ve assaulted them if I tell them I’m Turkish when they ask my nationality. All I’ve ever seen from Serbs has been hatred

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44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit

It must be the stabbystabbison prejudices, maybe you scare people online 😁

Jokes aside I hope you are talking about internet rather than if you been here, I can promise you that (I think) you are wrong only in case if you havent been actually here.

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stabbystabbison@reddit

Buddy I’ve got nothing against Serbs. I know our nations have their histories but that’s literally the past, and I hope for nothing but peace

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Handzir@reddit

Sorry to hear that!

Hopefully those encounters were online where people tend to be much more toxic.

If they were irl, perhaps you were dealing with relatively uneducated folks, though there are some intellectuals in Serbia who genuinely view Turks as enemies.

Hope things change for the better in future 🇷🇸🤝🇹🇷

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stabbystabbison@reddit

Look man I’m not trying to say bad things about Serbs, just that my experience has been that the Serbs I’ve met have been raised with a lot of hostility towards Turks , even more so than most Greeks or Bulgarians.

And the people I was talking about were people I met IRL at university, so definitely not uneducated.

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Local-Ask-7695@reddit

Again, countries have beef with Turkey not other way around. They are the butthurt, not Turkey. Turkey do not care. Why 1/10 does not like because fucking Turk word is insult and there are hate graffitis in Serbia. Get over it

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levenspiel_s@reddit

It's always the same on personal level mate. People get along just fine, especially in nearby countries. But when people start seeing themselves as representatives of their nations, I.e. thinking not by their own ideas but by imposed ideas of others, things get nasty.

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44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit

But when people start seeing themselves as representatives of their nations,

I honestly think that way about myself but rather as Belgrade>Serbia representative, and my favorite type of "compliment" would be something in a sense "you are not from Belgrade" because people generalize and have a certain reputation of certain people. So my favorite thing to do is break stereotypes unintentionally and represent it in the best way I can.

I truly don't disagree with you not 1%, I just wanted to say that you can do that-and be a good<normal version of a human being.

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Handzir@reddit

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drjet196@reddit

1999 wasn‘t about helping friends or being on different sides. It was about doing the right thing.

Similar to 1945. Nobody in Germany sees the US as unfriendly because they defeated them in WW2.

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Ilkin0115@reddit

Do you see any Azerbaijani tourists? We have a visa-free travel with Serbia

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Inevitable_Motor_685@reddit

It's because many people in Turkey choose Balkans as their tourism destination because 1- it is closer geographically, so it is easier to visit, 2- it is cheaper, 3- people cannot get visa to western european countries that easily so visiting Balkans (esp Greece in summer) becomes more preferable. And turks don't really hate Serbia that much because many don't care for Ottoman History from 300 or something years ago, even if Serbia hates Turks it mostly comes off as one sided.

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ChaosKeeshond@reddit

many don't care for Ottoman History from 300 or something years ago, even if Serbia hates Turks it mostly comes off as one sided

I mean to be fair we hate Turks in Turkey too

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Handzir@reddit

Yeah, it mostly comes down to oppression during the Ottoman days. Turks are seen as arch nemesis in folk songs and even history books. Our education does a poor job of distinguishing between the modern Turkish Republic and the Ottoman Empire.

(un)fortunately we've gained a few newer "rivals" so to say, that's why you're definitely more likely to get at least a neutral reaction as a Turk than as an Albanian/Croat.

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herhangibirperson@reddit

Fake BS

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Antique-Doughnut-673@reddit

We love our Turkish brothers and sisters will all our heart, if anything they always supported us like their little brother, Sizi seviyoruz 🇹🇷🇽🇰❤️

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honeydew-34@reddit

Really cause the comments from most Albanians says otherwise…

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Antique-Doughnut-673@reddit

Christians say bad stuff because of the past, they see Turks as invaders and that massacred them they are a minority but always online to spread hatred and it’s making us look bad, not all of them but a lot so we are the closest to Turks and we don’t have any good neighbor beside you

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honeydew-34@reddit

Yes I know there are Albanians who don’t hate Turks. But still I think Turks should be careful with approaching Albanians because they don’t realize that part of the Albanian community may have not hate us but the other half surely do. Appreciate your support as I do genuinely support Kosovo.

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Puzzled-Leader1@reddit

I mean, as an ordinary citizen my automatic feelings toward neighbours is always positive. I like Kosovo and find it disappointing that like scripted bots we always default back to getting emotional over history. We only do that to cope with how underdeveloped and backwards the region actually is.

Like a Kosovan has never wronged a Kosovan, or a Turk has never wronged a Turk. All people are the same: sometimes good, sometimes shit.

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wantmywings@reddit

You are the reason it is underdeveloped and backwards.

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CopenHagenCityBruh@reddit

Says the guy living in Austria or something. Really suffering from that underdeveloped country

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Puzzled-Leader1@reddit

Yes I am, single-handedly. It is I, the puppet master pulling all the strings, your arch nemesis and foe, the one who’s coded the matrix to keep you poor and miserable. I farted and the entirety of the Balkans fell to my wrath, you too shall succumb to its sour sweet taste!!!!!!!!!!

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life_hacker_14@reddit

hey what did i do? im taking a dump

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DismalManagement3808@reddit

Dont worry, he is of the albanian facebook "crusader" class, they are all over internet comments, they blame turks and muslims for their shitty lives

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iamunwhaticisme@reddit (OP)

Forgot to mention, this is from a cafe in Kosovo.

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reiwhy@reddit

Damn, too far for a cup of coffee

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Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit

I thought that was a cafe in England welcoming Turkish fans for a game and instead of 1999 I thought of the 2000 incident with leeds fans.

I was thinking wow that's very humble of the Britts 😆

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Stormrage44@reddit

Humble is only thing wouldn't go to a bar with a british haha

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robininscarf@reddit

Wow 😍

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CormundCrowlover@reddit

D'uh, obviously. It says 1999, doesn't it?

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areyouguysaraborwhat@reddit

When I was a kid, I always thought we loved all of our neighbors and they loved us back. I still love my neighbors, but when I left my country and moved to the Usa, I was surprised how much hate I got from them. I became close friends with some of them, but that shock never left my brain. I understand the past, but we have so much similarities now, and life is too short to carry so much hate. Maybe not for everyone.

Nevertheless, I hope and I know Kosovo will make the next big cup. It was unfortunate that we had to play with each other.

Bosnia, in their last minute, my heart and prayers goes out to you right this minute.

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honeydew-34@reddit

Right? I glad this one cafe shows solidarity but im cringing at many Turks being hailing not realizing that one half of Albanians may like us but the other half definitely don’t.

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areyouguysaraborwhat@reddit

For sure. :) last part of your sentence was a shocker to me. haha.

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independentMartyr@reddit

We could say the same about serbs. Always friends!? Are they thinking of the reality and history before they wrote something like that?

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MLukaCro@reddit

Turks have deluded themselves into thinking they came to the Balkans as "liberators" and that the period of the Ottoman Empire was a "tolerant" one.

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robininscarf@reddit

I'd not be sure about that. Many Turks don't have that much of lovey-dovey relationship with Ottoman Empire. Their treatment of Turkic Alevis was quite bloody. Ottoman was built on the Sultan being Caliph/Halife of Sunnis and Ceaser/Kayser of Rome. Identity of Turkic Turks and Anatolian Turks had to converge with Sunni identity for that to work. If a Turk sees Balkans as a friend, it's not because we see ourselfs as liberators, it's because we shared almost the same culture in many aspect. Only Ottoman obsessed Grey Wolfes and Caliph seeking Islamists believe such perspective. We are proud of many aspects of our Ottoman History, but not things such as this.

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sokartes123@reddit

How tf you think you have right to talk on behalf of whole nation? As a Turk i am at peace with my past, including Ottoman Era. Ottoman Empire was a Turkish state and it was a great one until 1700s. Stop spreading hatred and licking asses to get kudos. Dear Balkan brothers and sisters i love you, that's nothing related to you. I don't need to hate Serbs or other Balkan nations because i love the glorius empire once ruled by our ancestors.

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robininscarf@reddit

Learn history and work on your reading comprehension, then we'll talk. I already said it's a part of our history. But our history also has many drawbacks. Unseeing our Anatolian roots and Turk culture just to highlight Ottoman Empire, as if Turkish history is only all about that can only draw us back. Many Ottoman fanboys are either Islamist or Grey Wolf for a reason. Also, you're projecting when it comes to licking ass, you're salivating.

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sokartes123@reddit

Ahaahah chill kiddo, you are just pathetic.

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shurdi3@reddit

The siege of Belgrade happened 60 years before the siege of Tenochtitlan.

In modern day Belgrade, they speak Serbian, have churches, and generally consider themselves eastern orthodox christian.

In modern day Mexico City people speak Spanish, and generally consider themselves catholic.

The Ottoman empire was in fact tolerant. If they wanted us to be Turkish speaking muslims, we would be Turkish speaking muslims.

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AST360@reddit

The saying goes that if we didn't arrive in Balkans the Catholics would make Slavs gymnastics with Inquisition

Regarding Bosnia and around it has some truth in it.

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independentMartyr@reddit

We already were Catholics. What a nonsense rewritten history from your side!

Up to the sixth generation of my family were Catholics! Today they are displayed in history books as martyrs of those times!

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Ujemegaz@reddit

You were, but not the rest of Balkans.

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independentMartyr@reddit

You can "bark" as long as you desire. I don't know who you personally are. Albanians were catholics, either you like it or not.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

In Ireland, perhaps. But i see why it was so easy for communists to demolish all churches and mosques. Religious people in Albania are all talk, no action.

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AST360@reddit

Serbians, Bulgarians and Greeks were Catholics?

You guys would be the enforcing inquisitors in question (Croats) not the victims.

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independentMartyr@reddit

Albanians were Catholics.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Ishin gjys per gjys.

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AST360@reddit

Well yeah, they are not Slavic either are they?

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Handzir@reddit

There were no inquisitions against Orthodox Christians (i.e. Serbs/Bulgarians) as their teachings weren't seen as heretical.

Regarding Bosnia, they would've been forced to convert to either of the two main branches of Christianity as they were persecuted by both.

In the end, they were forced to convert to Islam. Whether that was a good thing or not from a modern perspective is debatable.

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AST360@reddit

They were not "forced" to convert to Islam, if we were to "force" anyone into it there wouldn't be Orthodox people around. Why on earth if we were to force anyone into it we would skip Greece and Serbia and proceed to force Bosnians to convert.

In fact there is Mehmed II's official written declaration of religious tolerance regarding Bosnia.

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Big-Vegetable4550@reddit

I think he means the Bogomils, who were persecuted as heretics by both the Catholic Church (and I think, but am not sure) the Orthodox Church. It likely made it easier for some to pick Islam if no one was going to allow them freedom of worship.

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ShitassAintOverYet@reddit

No, positive relation between Turkey and Kosovo(plus Bosnia, Albania and North Macedonia) are a lot more recent and politically motivated, not historical.

People in these countries have treated their Turkish-origin citizens relatively well compared to Serbia and Bulgaria. On top of that Turkish presence in Yugoslav Wars was in favour of insurgent countries which included all these countries to a degree. Most Turks don't have any strong opinion or knowledge regarding what the Ottomans actually did in the Balkans.

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Maximum-Doctor2564@reddit

They were tolerant. People could live their religion freely in the empire. I've visited many Balkan countries and always saw hundreds of years old curches or cathredals but no mosques anymore. Why is that so? I would've thought if the ottoman empire wasn't a tolerant one all the curches would've been burned down or even bombed like christian balkans did with the mosques? And that your culture would've been purely Ottoman culture since the balkan with in the ottoman empire for up to 500 years?

Stop this cheap propaganda shit.

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independentMartyr@reddit

A liberator that uses force on the civilian population for generations and generations. Of course, since people remember the ending only and as always, winners write the history.

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Vestout@reddit

Ah yes, an empire that "used force" on civilians, as opposed to any other empire that was ruled by anarchy.

Lmao.

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menina2017@reddit

That’s very cute i love it

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sayinmer@reddit

Thank you Kosovo, you are my best friend 🎶

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vsela43@reddit

Being nice is one thing this is dick sucking smh

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Dear_Wrongdoer7271@reddit

Any solidarity takes us further from wars and conflict so... any solidarity is good. Also Prizren is the hub of Kosovo Turks so if this is there there is all the more reason.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Prizren has such a cozy atmosphere that is hard to find even in old quarters in Turkey nowadays.

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CompleteAnimal4606@reddit

Always friends????

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KakaoFugl@reddit

Any chance you would be our vassal again mate?

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CompleteAnimal4606@reddit

Don't be late with my wolt order ok mate

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Dhi e zgjebosur, bishtin perpjete, thote populli. Leri nacionalizmat, eshte thjesht futboll.

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KakaoFugl@reddit

Funny you say that, I used to work as Marketing Executive for Wolt in the Nordics

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Etsikaietsi@reddit

For most of their existence in the Balkans, Kosovo (specifically Muslim) Albanians and Turks were friendly towards one another. There's nothing controversial in that statement. This is true today, but not to the extent it was back in the day.

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CompleteAnimal4606@reddit

We weren't, look at all the uprisings

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Etsikaietsi@reddit

Uprisings for more rights within the empire, much less for actual freedom. Even with the "League of Prizren" it was more about autonomy.

French people usually don't want to stop being a part of France when they go out into the streets against their government.

It would be very hard to think of any group of people in the Ottoman Empire that assimilated as well as the muslim Albanians.

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Formal-Can-4168@reddit

And that was utterly stupid by the Albanians. Nowadays it is different the relationship is political and driven by common interest, not by some brotherly sentiment. No one believes in that

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wantmywings@reddit

This is cute because plenty of ethnic Slavs and ethnic Greeks did exactly the same. The only difference is that population exchanges the Slavs and Greeks did. Start DNA testing Turks and watch what you see.

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samvarr@reddit

Start DNA testing Turks and what? Our ancestors are from Turkic tribes that mixed with Anatolians.

Everyone in Turkey knows this lmfao. That’s why we call ourselves Anatolian Turks.

Not sure what you’re implying.

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WackyShirt@reddit

I don't understand your point. I am a Turk married to a Romanian. Are you saying that if we get DNA tested, he might find that he's Greek, and I'm from Albania? LOL!

People fell in love and married folks from different geographies as long as humanity existed. Why is this so difficult to grasp?

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