Merz: Most Syrian refugees in Germany expected to return home in three years

Posted by Tartan_Samurai@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 140 comments

[-]

MarlonFord@reddit

Ah yeas, because everything points to the middle east and Syria being safe in three years.

Do these politicians have any empathy? Or do they just hate everyone and don’t care about anyone except themselves?

[-]

roywilliams31@reddit

This is Metz trying to placate voters who would vote for, or are considering, AfD.

[-]

pdonchev@reddit

At this point I am not sure if Meez or AfD is worse...

[-]

roywilliams31@reddit

I can't speak for Germans, but Merz (at least in terms of his foreign policy) is a train wreck. Can't imagine the AfD could be that significantly worse.

[-]

iNuminex@reddit

It would be significantly worse, unfortunately.

[-]

pdonchev@reddit

I speak as a non-German. I don't care about domestic German policy. Maybe there is a difference there, maybe there is not.

[-]

EmsAreOverworkedLul@reddit

Yep. Both are true.

This is soft "remigration" rhetoric, he thinks voters that want the real deal will choose him instead if he offers a watered down version of what the afd is selling. It's so pathetic.

[-]

It's a tactic used by many center right parties. The VVD in the Netherlands uses similar rhetoric. I don't think they want to peal of hardcore AfD or PVV voters. They won't go center right anyway. But those that are concerned about refugees/immigration but don't consider it their central issue may be swayed to not vote extremer, at least that is what these parties think.

A few years back in my country it backfired. The VVD blowed up a coalition government because they weren't hawkish enough on illegal immigration and then the PVV became the no 1 party by far the next election. That was Rutte's last term(now NATO secretary). So this is essentially playing with fire. I think you need the narrative to shift to other topics, because on immigration as the central issue during election time you won't win against the far right.

[-]

SirLadthe1st@reddit

It backfires terally everywhere, that's the problem. It backfired in the US when Kamala tried to suck up to "moderate republicans". It's currently backfiring spectacularly in the UK with nothing Starmer does to "fix" immigration and appease the conervatives working. It backfired just recently in Denmark where the conservative "social democrats" that adopted every right wing stance on immigration and went beyond that just had their lowest electon results in 100+ years while the far right support grew over 4 times.

It's also currently backfiring here in Poland, where the government thought that if they adopt right wing policies, asylum bans, deportations for show, and also targeting Ukrainian refugees will win them votes - as a result far right grew from 6 to well over 20+% within the last 2 years. It didn't even work for Germany - Merz already did multiple conscessions for the AFD and their support doesn't seem to be getting any lower.

Ironically it seems all this catering to the far right seems to be accomplishing is that left/progressive leaning people leave the moderate parties and start looking for alternatives. We've seen it in Germany with the rise of Die Linke, in the UK with the rise of the Greens, in Denmark with Green Left, in the US with rise of people like Mamdani.

All the while the conservative voters do NOT seem to be coming back to the center, and the right wing parties only get even more radical as their previous positions are taken over by the mainstream. We've seen how neither the VVD or the british Conservatives never managed to rebuild their support after playing with the far right fire. So we get parties like PVV or Reform UK, or National Rally, or Konfederacja. But ultimately even their views are "too mainstream" and we get parties like FvD or Restore Britain, or Reconquete or KKP. it's an endless circle at this point.

It really is a global trend by now and it is clear that appeasing the far right isn't the solution some people hoped it would be.

[-]

DungeonMercenary@reddit

"You have to find a good balance between pushing your agenda and doing what the voters want, or they'll vote for someone who actually does what they want."

And they wonder why the """"far"""" right is on the rise lol.

[-]

Tartan_Samurai@reddit (OP)

Al-Sharaa also stated he wants a return of most Syrian citizens, so I don't this is an attempt to placate right wing voters (although it may have as a side effects).

[-]

BroMan001@reddit

And the Taliban surely wants Afghans to return to Afghanistan. Why work with them?

[-]

Tartan_Samurai@reddit (OP)

I'm not convinced the regimes are analogous.

[-]

Blackout38@reddit

The civil war is over is what he is referring to. No active conflict preventing their return.

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

Syria is now run by a terrorist in a suit who is facilitating the use of Syrian land and airspace for Israel's current war. Sure seems like a few "active conflicts" happening there.

[-]

Blackout38@reddit

That “terrorist in a suit” is the recognized leader of the nation. And the only explosions happen there are Iranian missiles being intercepted on the way to Israel. Maybe Iran shouldn’t be violating their air space if you want to call that an active conflict.

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

Iran has the right to defend itself.

[-]

Blackout38@reddit

Definitely but do they have the right to attack anyone? Nope.

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

Israel and the US attacked, not Iran. Thank you for attention to this matter!

[-]

Blackout38@reddit

Oh good so we can agree none of the other states Iran has struck deserved it. Thanks for your attention.

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

They harbor US bases and other assets, so they are culpable for the US does in the region.

[-]

Blackout38@reddit

Simple as that? Explain all the civilians targeted, or even just Azerbaijan and Oman, who have no US bases or other assets, or even the intermediaries in Qatar or Kuwait that were negotiating with US for Iran.

Also you think it’s so simple that Iran gets to dictate the foreign policy of other sovereign nations? What gives them the right?

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

Also you think it’s so simple that Iran gets to dictate the foreign policy of other sovereign nations? What gives them the right?

That would be the right of self-defense.

[-]

Blackout38@reddit

You keep say “self defense” but I don’t think you know what that means if you think aggression against everyone around falls under either “self” or “defense”.

In fact, your definition of self defense applies to Israel too so I guess you are actually okay with everything here?

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

Iran was and continues to be attacked by two countries bent on their destruction. They are defending themselves. You want it to be complicated, because you are the wrong side of this conflict morally, but it's not.

[-]

Blackout38@reddit

I’m on the wrong side morally? There’s your problem. You picked a team like this a sport. Like there are good guys or bad guys. There aren’t. It’s just bullies and bystanders.

Fact: more Iranians have died this year at the hands of their government than at the hands of the US or Israel. That’s your team. Make sure you show your support at the next mass execution and cheer with all your heart!

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

Sport is characterized by competition without any moral dimension, so, no, I did not do what you say.

US and Israel are the aggressors here. That makes them wrong and makes Iran's response justified. Even a child can understand this.

[-]

Blackout38@reddit

Sport is characterize by cheering for your team to beat the other team. You are cheering for the good guys to beat the bad guys. It’s no different than what you are doing now. As if there are good and bad guys and obvious to all. No last time I check Iran has been terrorizing Israel as much as Israel has terrorized Iran. Have fun with your morals while justifying Israel’s attacks on Iran.

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

Like I said, even a child can understand that the aggression perpetrated by the US and Israel is wrong. Fortunately, most people seem to see this very clearly. You clearly wish to sow moral confusion here, but it isn't going work.

[-]

Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

Israel 24/7: I fucking hate Qatar

Israel: *bombs Iran*

Iran: I know the perfect way to retaliate against Israel, bombing Qatar!

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

Wow, that's crazy. Who did Israel bomb in Qatar?

[-]

Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

? Iran is the one who is bombing Qatar and destroyed 20% of their LNG

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

So you just know nothing about what's been going on then?

Iran bombed Qatar's LNG facilities after their own energy facilities were hit.

This is very simple:

Qatar hosts US military bases, personnel, and equipment.
The US and Israel are waging a war of aggression against Iran.
To defend itself, Iran is hitting back at countries which host the militaries that are attacking them, including Qatar.

Make sense?

[-]

Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

So you just know nothing about what's been going on then?

I am laughing out loud because wtf do you think you are doing here? Yes, Israel hates Qatar, thanks for proving my point <3. That doesn't change the fact you are literate and I explicitly mentioned Iran attacking Qatar in my original comment lol.

Iran bombed Qatar's LNG facilities after their own energy facilities were hit.

... by Israel! not Qatar!

To defend itself, Iran is hitting back at countries which host the militaries that are attacking them, including Qatar.

Qatar wasn't participating in any attacks on Iran. Qatar and Iran have always had a very close relationship, and Qatar airspace wasn't even used to attack Iran.

Iran isn't attacking the "militaries" either. They are attacking Qatar's economy... in response to attacks by a country that hates Qatar and loves their destruction.

Iran is by no metric defending themselves. They are bombing countries that love them and hate Israel. Also, I love how breathing the same air as Israel means you can be bombed in "self defense," but Israel bombing Iran isn't self defense when Iran funds proxies that attack Israel.

"Iran has a right to defend itself" is something you can say in trolling if you were in a pro-Israeli space or whatever, but when you argue in favor of Iran unironically, all you do is out yourself as dumb.

Make sense?

lmao no

If Qatar doesn't want to be a target for Iranian reprisals, there is a very simple solution: tell the United States it is no longer welcome on their territory and they must leave, and then negotiate terms with Iran.

Qatar has always been friendly with Iran, and this is their thanks. I guess Iran loves being kind and helping countries who bomb them, but that isn't really a mentality I'd bet on anyone else having.

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

Qatar is being targeted because they host US bases. In fact, they host the largest US military base in the region. Of course that is going to make them a target when Iran is at war with the United States.

What you're saying could make sense if Iran was only at war with Israel, but that is not the situation. Iran is being attacked by both the US and Israel, the former of which has thousands of military personnel operating on Qatari soil with the consent of the Qatari government.

So, if Qatar is "friendly with Iran," if they have "a very close relationship," then it should be no problem for them to tell the aggression nation who is attacking Iran to remove all military presence from their territory. If they are, for whatever reason, unwilling to do that, then of course they will be targeted. Iran would be strategically negligent not to target them, in that case, because, from the Iranian perspective, their security cannot be guaranteed as long as the US is allowed to operate near their borders.

[-]

Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

Qatar is being targeted because they host US bases.

bases that weren't used to attack Iran and were just there to help defend Qatar.

What you're saying could make sense if Iran was only at war with Israel, but that is not the situation.

yeah, Qatar had a good relationship with America. That is somewhat a pre-requisite for countries in the region that don't want to be shit holes. Sorry Qatar won't sacrifice their entire country for Iran. The point of bringing up Israel is to show that both: Iran is directly rewarding Israel for bombing their energy (not very effective "self defense"), and that Iran is attacking one of the countries most aligned with them.

So, if Qatar is "friendly with Iran," if they have "a very close relationship"

what is it with the quotes lol? are you unironically trying to pretend Qatar and Iran weren't allies?

then it should be no problem for them to tell the aggressor nation who is attacking Iran to remove all military presence from their territory.

Iran never did this though. they just went scorched earth against a close ally without even asking them to do anything first. the GCC was bombed immediately.

Iran would be strategically negligent not to target them, in that case, because, from the Iranian perspective, their security cannot be guaranteed as long as the US is allowed to operate near their borders.

why? nothing in Qatar played any part in attacking Iran? idk if their new standard of "we will bomb anyone who will do anything short of sacrificing their entire country to us" will help them build allies. Maybe I am wrong though and it is normal to want to reward countries who bomb you, like Iran does lol.

If it would be "negligent" for Iran not to go scorched Earth to allied nations who want a good relationship with the US too, then what would it be for Israel to not attack the enemy nation funding constant terrorist attacks against them? this whole argument that Iran is "defending itself" only works if you are doing it ironically. You seem to not understand the distinction between good trolling and good argumentation.

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

are you unironically trying to pretend Qatar and Iran weren't allies?

I am unironically saying that claims of friendship cannot be considered of much consequence if Qatar can't even be bothered to tell the country that is, hand-in-glove with Israel, actively trying to destroy Iran as a functioning state to remove its military from their soil.

Iran never did this though. they just went scorched earth against a close ally without even asking them to do anything first. the GCC was bombed immediately.

Iran was very open about how it would respond to another attack after the 12 Day War. Did the GCC countries think they were bluffing? Who knows, but no one can say they weren't warned and all of this just fell out of the blue.

The arguments:

"Well, those US bases weren't being used to launch attacks, so Iran should be fine with them."
"Israel doesn't like Qatar anyway, so Iran is really doing them a favor!"
"If Iran can respond to a massive bombing campaign intended to either topple their government or destroy them as a functioning state by bombing US clients in the region, then Israel must be justified in launching a war of aggression due to Iranian proxies existing."

Are all really too strained to warrant much of a response. Suffice it to say, Iran is doing what it deems necessary to survive in the face of an unprovoked existential war. The options before the GCC countries are clear. They can relieve themselves of the threat Iranian drones and missiles at any time by kicking out the aggressor. Don't like it? Well, you don't have to like it. That's the way it is.

[-]

Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

I am unironically saying that claims of friendship cannot be considered of much consequence if Qatar can't even be bothered to tell the country that is, hand-in-glove with Israel, actively trying to destroy Iran as a functioning state to remove its military from their soil.

Qatar loves Iran so much that there is a non 0 chance that could have happened if Iran gave them the chance instead of immediately trying to destroy the GCC. Though even if Qatar wasn't completely ride or die for Iran, setting that as your standard is kind of silly for Iran when barely anyone likes them at all.

Iran was very open about how it would respond to another attack after the 12 Day War. Did the GCC countries think they were bluffing

I don't remember Iran ever making a clarifying statement before the current war that they would respond to Israel attacking their energy by going scorched earth on Qatar, but if they did, then Iran is 100% to blame to the current conflict because that is wayyyy too good of bait for Israel to refuse.

Are all really too strained to warrant much of a response.

bro every argument you listed is infinitely better than any argument you have made.

unprovoked

Qatar wanting good relations with both America and Iran instead of sacrificing all their wealth to become Iranian slaves = provoking war.

Iran funding terrorist groups that attack Israel = no provocation.

Don't like it? Well, you don't have to like it. That's the way it is.

I love how everyone who simps for these third world countries gets off so hard on the idea of using might makes right, but constantly cries about "aggression" and "war crimes" when it happens in practice.

[-]

urallidiotsx2@reddit

thoughts on russia's war crimes in ukraine mate?

[-]

Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

I don't like Russia at all. They are an enemy nation, and they do just as much if not worse "imperialism" and "war crimes" as anyone else their supporters pearl clutch all day about.

[-]

Blackout38@reddit

Yes and I’m saying only a child would think it’s so absolute, as if there isn’t a tit for tat over a long period of time making it far more nuanced and complex. Have fun thinking like a child.

[-]

urallidiotsx2@reddit

qatar that was bombed by israel last year? that qatar?

[-]

alecsgz@reddit

Your beloved Russia can take them

[-]

studio_bob@reddit

What?

[-]

andraip@reddit

After 6 years in Germany you can get the German citizenship if you:

have no significant criminal record
are not dependent on welfare
speak German
are willing to give up your current citizenship (with exemptions)
accept the German constitution

If you are in Germany since 2015/16 and those don't apply to you. Please, do close the door from the outside.

[-]

urallidiotsx2@reddit

you want the disabled by war to close the door?

[-]

RealAbd121@reddit

Don't worry, he's just doing this braindead European thing where you pretend you can outflank far right on immigration somehow. nothing will actually happen.

[-]

Omegatherion@reddit

Asylum and Immigration are 2 different things

[-]

RealAbd121@reddit

Not to a fascist

[-]

Levitz@reddit

Most definitely. They are not really perceived as that much of a different issue by the population though.

[-]

Dirkdeking@reddit

Are you a Syrian living in Germany? I guess this depends on multiple factors. Like your legal status and if you applied for asylum post or pre Assad. Some Syrians even have German passports, they are obviously off the hook permanently because they simply are German.

Those that claimed asylum after december 2024 have a harder time, without proof of being an ethnic or religious minority or some history of resistance against the current government, I don't think you have much chance of getting a protected status.

Those that claimed asylum during Assad but have no German passport yet are going to be a difficult case. I don't think it is very likely they get a passport in this context, but revoking their status is also a complicated legal process. So they are in a state of limbo.

[-]

RealAbd121@reddit

Never been to Germany but I know people there, basically everyone post 2020-ish is a lost cause, some never even got their refugee status, they've been in limbo for years, this cohort will be very likely the first to be deported.

But the ones who are in school/work will probably not see any meaningful pressure against they for years if ever. and like you said, those Naturalized can't be deported anymore.

[-]

OptimisticRealist__@reddit

You do know that war isnt grounds for asylum, right?

[-]

Exepony@reddit

Sure, it's grounds for "temporary protection" instead, as long as you're white.

[-]

Trollimperator@reddit

We need a system, where integration gets rewarded and criminal behavior gets punished.

The german system barely cares about that huge difference. Merz doesnt care if someone is well integrated and law abiding. The (far) left often ignores real problems with removing simgle-high intensity criminals. In the end it barely matters, how a person behaves.
You might still get deported, if you are a fully functional part of german society and you might still have the same barriers to deportation, as law abiding citizens, if you are serial sexual offender. This, we treat everybody the same, threats noone fairly.

The far right is profiting off those political mistakes so much, that one can wonder, if that is something thier political opponents want.

[-]

johansonnss@reddit

How many syrian refugees have you accomodated yourself? Do you have any empathy at all?

[-]

IlluminatedPickle@reddit

He said the thing! The really dumb thing they all say!

[-]

werqulz@reddit

He didn't bomb them tho.

[-]

johansonnss@reddit

When Germany bombed them tho?

[-]

werqulz@reddit

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-backs-airstrikes-in-syria-as-necessary-and-appropriate/a-43386145

[-]

johansonnss@reddit

Comment was about US strikes.

So, tell me where exactly Bundeswehr was proactively dropping bombs?

[-]

Dirkdeking@reddit

They did in the context of the anti ISIS campaign? A lot of nations participated, but the US obviously did most of the bombing.

[-]

werqulz@reddit

I dont even care if they did it themselves. As your fürer told it was JUST and NECCACARY - something you could have done yourselves.

[-]

johansonnss@reddit

😂😂

Here, you forgot your clown nose 🤡

[-]

werqulz@reddit

Oh, of course, thank you priviledged entitled white man. Everything is funny and jokes to you, especially if you can make others suffer and enjoy being an American lap dog. Disgusting human being.

[-]

Low_Technician7346@reddit

negative iq comment

[-]

johansonnss@reddit

Low effort leftard comment

[-]

cedriceent@reddit

Here's some advice:

Try thinking for 5 minutes before writing.

[-]

johansonnss@reddit

Another advise: try to think 5min before leaving a useless comment

[-]

cedriceent@reddit

You're saying it's useless because you categorically refuse to think before commenting?

[-]

johansonnss@reddit

Your comment perfectly applies to you, innit?

[-]

ThinCrusts@reddit

How are your comments still up with no flair but mine were deleted seconds after posting?

[-]

IlluminatedPickle@reddit

Flair requirement was probably added after the comment.

Why are you hiding behind multinational while we're asking questions?

[-]

OpportunityTrue3540@reddit

Open your home to a Syrian refugee then.

[-]

Professional-Syrup-0@reddit

So that’s what it looks like when two Reddit accounts share the same single brain cell.

[-]

Fearless-Feature-830@reddit

Not really the gotcha you think it is

[-]

Remmidemmi@reddit

Such a non-argument lol. Whether they have or not they can criticize the descision.

[-]

REKTGET3162@reddit

No, you dont get to talk about anything unless you are actively involved. I am sure the guy you responded has taken multiple Syrian refuges into his home, thats why he feels annoyed when other people who havent involved with them talks about the Syrian refuge situation.

[-]

salzbergwerke@reddit

Germany needs to make place for new refugees when the fertilizer shortage hits later this year. Who cares if the same Syrians are coming coming back in half a year because they are literally starving to death.

[-]

okabe700@reddit

Oh not the poor Syrian refugees having to go to the country governing by an ex AQ guy who kills minorities while dancing for him in the streets of Berlin with Syrian flags, the tragedy

Who gives a shit

[-]

baked_in@reddit

Shhh... You don't need to say things.

[-]

Live_Emergency_736@reddit

one would think that people that are so supposedly scared of their home country would be thankful enough to even do the bare minimum of integrating themselves into the society that gave them a save heaven - but instead they dominate various crime and rape statistics at disproportionate amounts

[-]

PlantainPractical928@reddit

Well...they were refugees when they arrived in Europe. And syria is still not a stable country and most syrians are working, many even in medicine. So if 80% of the people leave the medical system will be fucked for a while

[-]

SignificantSite4588@reddit

I was working before thy were here . I am sure it will be working after they are gone .

[-]

wojtekpolska@reddit

ah yes the (literally fake - refugees hold educated positions in much lower numbers than natives) "doctors and engineers" argument

[-]

bippos@reddit

I mean it applied the same when we let you poles into the union? The Polish plumber or carpenter working black jobs

[-]

Czart@reddit

Don't you have a grenade to dodge instead of writing on reddit?

[-]

bippos@reddit

Like the ones we scored yesterday?

[-]

Czart@reddit

Oh god, it's a football fan too.

[-]

wojtekpolska@reddit

We are part of the EU wdym?? we arent foreigners in the EU

[-]

Professional-Syrup-0@reddit

We are part of the EU wdym?? we arent foreigners in the EU.

Are you reallly so obtuse to think that was always the case?

My guess is you are just young and don’t think much about how things used to be. For example how plenty of Germans opposed Poland joining the EU based on racist and xenophobic sentiments like all poles being lazy thieves/rapists.

Because before Western Europe latched on to brown Muslims as the bad boogeymen, the boogeymen used to be Eastern Europeans and Slavs.

That only changed after the fall of the USSR, after Poland joined NATO and the EU.

Very similar to how for the longest time Ukraine was only depicted as a “Russia light” in most Western media.

At least until the West got one of theirs in charge of the place, then it’s suddenly “Ukrainians are blonde blue eyed Europeans like all of us! Fifghting off the uncivilised Mongolian hordes from the East!”.

[-]

wojtekpolska@reddit

you didnt read second half of my comment. i also talked about pre-eu too.

[-]

bippos@reddit

You definitely miss the point? Even funnier you consider culture to have anything to do with it. For most of Western Europe Eastern Europe was as European as a Syrian refugee? That attitude only really changed post migrant crisis and you are here talking about culture. Want another example? Just look how Balkan refugees were talked about in the 90s and 2000s

[-]

wojtekpolska@reddit

nothing you said has any relevance to my comment. fuck off if youre just here to troll.

[-]

warnie685@reddit

No, it's actually very relevant. What he described is precisely how most racism works

[-]

wojtekpolska@reddit

it was not relevant to my argument at all.

[-]

Nahcep@reddit

Thank you, o wise and white blond master from the Civilized West, for your grace

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

This has been disproven again and again. The share of syrians that are doctors is lower than in the rest of the population.

Furthermore, asylum decision should not be dependent on the economic "worth" of an individual.

[-]

Eldiablo2471@reddit

It's not about Syria specifically, but about the concept of deportation. The idea of deporting all [insert nation here] refugees argument is flawed, as hard working people are punished too because a minority of that nation caused trouble. You want to deport someone, then do it based on their actions (thieves, murderers, scammers, gangsters etc.) irrelevant of their nationality.

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

If they are here on asylum, they have to leave if the reason for asylum isnt present anymore.

Else youre mixing up immigration and asylum, give the far righttalking points, and eventually cause asylum to be shut down.

[-]

kapuh@reddit

Oh no! We're mixing up immigration and asylum!!! Verrrrboten!
Seriously, who gives a f?
We need people who do the job they're doing. If they want to stay here and behaved, they should be able to stay.

The policy since the AfD has became popular was to suck up to them and their phobias.
The result was that they grew stronger and stronger because people always buy the original and their talking points and phobias became mainstream.

It is about time to do the right thing which is the opposite of their xenophobic bs.

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

Seriously, who gives a f?

A majority of the electorate, given last elections results ans current polls

[-]

kapuh@reddit

A majority of the electorate, given last elections results and current polls

Really? So what was the question exactly in those polls?

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

Really? So what was the question exactly in those polls?

"Who would you vote for if there was an election next Sunday?"

[-]

kapuh@reddit

"Who would you vote for if there was an election next Sunday?"

This is not "we are for/against mixing immigration and asylum".

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

More than 50% for anti-migration parties definitely are.

[-]

kapuh@reddit

anti-migration parties

So after you made up the majority, you're making up parties now?
This is not the BILD comment section.

^^^^well ^^^^sometimes ^^^^it ^^^^is

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

AfD and CDU both are definitely anti (uncontrolled) migration.

[-]

kapuh@reddit

No even semi relevant party in Germany is pro uncontrolled migration.

This has still nothing to do with "mixing up immigration and asylum".

Try again.

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

Of course it has something to do with that lmao

If you're anti uncontrolled immigration, youre against mixing up asylum and immigration because the former is BY DEFINITION uncontrolled

Jesus christ this is getting idiotic.

[-]

kapuh@reddit

Oh now I get it: you don't know what those terms mean.

Immigration or Einwanderung is not BY DEFINITION uncontrolled.

The definition is:

Immigration is the international movement of people to a destination country of which they are not usual residents or where they do not possess nationality in order to settle as permanent residents.

What you are actually talking about in the context of this post and discussion, are a special group of people who are immigrating. Most of them have brown skin and come from the south. Maybe you're already at the Ukraine-hate train and hate those too even though they don't look like the others.

What is sure though is: you certainly don't give a single fuck about the rest. Just like the AfD. The party which do not represent "a majority of the electorate" in Germany.

lmao ... Jesus christ this is getting idiotic.

Next time, just leave when you're losing.
You are embarrassing yourself.

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

When you have to quote definitions, accuse the other side of things you start with "maybe you...", and try to put them next to nazis, you have no more arguments lol

when you're losing

Discussions aren't a mudfight, its about exchaning actual arguments lol

[-]

kapuh@reddit

So instead of leaving, you decided to write a pure ad hominem comment.

lol

[-]

Significant-Mall-830@reddit

Cdu are generally quite pro migration no party is pro uncontrolled migration

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

Thats why I put uncontrolled there, this thread is obviously not about skilled professionals immigrating with a work visa.

[-]

kapuh@reddit

Nobody is pro uncontrolled migration.

[-]

Eldiablo2471@reddit

Okay, first off, some folks have totally blended in. They work, pay taxes, so I don't get why we'd send them back, especially if they're behaving. It's the ones who don't work, get arrested, and just soak up asylum benefits that are the real issue, and yeah, they should definitely be sent back in that case.

Second, most of the people who voted for AFD are Germans from the East, where East Germany used to be before the wall came down. They all have one thing in common, they think foreigners don't belong here and should ALL be sent back, even if it would wreck the entire German industry and economy. They don't care, of course, because they're already retired or about to be, so their income is safe, they own houses, etc., so those consequences wouldn't hit them as hard. It's like old people voting for Germany to go to war because they hate Iran, since it's the young people who'd get drafted and killed, not them. That's a messed-up way of thinking.

Third, things aren't always black and white. You can't have a functioning country without foreigners, but you also can't have one if you let everyone in, pay for them, and keep them no matter what. We need to find a solution that mixes right-wing and left-wing ideas, but sadly, it's just a tug-of-war where both sides pull and nobody wins, and the people suffer.

[-]

Chipay@reddit

If they want to stay they have to apply for immigration, not asylum.

[-]

kapuh@reddit

They have applied for asylum because they fled their country.
This is how they got here.
Now they do apply for naturalisation but the prerequisites say that your request for asylum needs to be recognised first, which takes forever, then you have to get a permanent-residency allowance, which takes forever, only then you can find work, which is hard due to the employers not knowing if it's worth it with the current politics for example and then you have to apply for naturalisation which...you guessed it: can take forever too.
Meanwhile politics is pointing a gun at your back and now the statement is "Syrians living in Germany" need to go back. So what does it mean? Considering the number, even the naturalised are not safe, just like their jobs.

It's been made intentionally hard for them to live and work here.
Most of them still went through the German paper hell and now they are providing help where it's needed, they pay taxes and they became part of this country.
Removing them is plainly idiotic right-wing rhetoric.
No German Justus will ever want to work in care professions for example. This is why we import people from around the globe.
Our doctors go to the US or UK. The 5.745 Syrian doctors decided to stay here. Despite the hate and hoops.
There is no sane reason to spit in their faces.

[-]

CrowdGoesWildWoooo@reddit

Refugee program on its own already an exception out of goodwill, so you can’t just equate that with people who came through the regular path.

[-]

werqulz@reddit

First you collectevly destroy a country and then take in some refugees while calling yourself a GOOD GUY. Exception out of goodwill. Crazy.

[-]

therealwavingsnail@reddit

Letting Americans use Ramstein was a pretty minimal involvement if you compare it to say Russia. Russian military and Wagner had been very active in Syria for years.

And I don't see anyone calling them out about their nonexistent help for Syrian refugees. Funny how that works.

[-]

CrowdGoesWildWoooo@reddit

The europe barely have any military to maintain aggresive stance on any country. You are telling me like we are collectively bombing them? Sure buddy.

I know that the US stirred a lot of shit there, but half of what happening there is just the local ruler becoming corrupt, and one things led to another.

This isn’t like Palestine where for sure there is one party actively just bombing shit and everyone turns a blind eye, but Syria is literally a civil war.

[-]

werqulz@reddit

Europe countries were very, very proud to invaide Iraq. And Libya. And Afghanistan. Lacking of men? No problem, let's defend Israel with jets!

[-]

Professional-Syrup-0@reddit

“The Europe” is full of NATO and U.S. based acting in direct logistics support of US wars in the Middle East

I.e. Ramstein AB in Germany not only acts as relay for drone operations in the Middle East, it also acts as logistics center and reception center for injured US soldiers from the Middle East so they can get medical treatment in Germany, using German doctors and facilities.

[-]

Professional-Syrup-0@reddit

This has been disproven again and again.

As somebody working in healthcare, that’s news to me, care to elaborate?

The share of syrians that are doctors is lower than in the rest of the population.

What weird ass metric is that supposed to be? Syrian doctors are the biggest groups of foreign doctors in Germany, there are over 80.000 Syrians working as skilled labor in sectors were there is a shortage of said skilled labor.

Furthermore, asylum decision should not be dependent on the economic "worth" of an individual.

So after decades of complaining how refugees are all just lazy freeloaders, and how we should only allow people in useful to us, pushed by the lying xenophobic right, you just casually claim that, wow..

Eating your cake while still having it much?

[-]

ZeitgeistWurst@reddit

working as skilled labor in sectors were there is a shortage of said skilled labor.

80k out of 1.3mln. Thats a lower share than in the total population, meaning that the argument of them leaving would make the healthcare system worse is just BS.

you just casually claim that

Yes, asylum is a human right and not tied to economic worth, thanks for asking.

Trying to paint asylum as economically beneficial when it simply isnt is one of the reasons why AfD got big.

[-]

ExpertTangerine1504@reddit

80,000 out of 1.3m in a population where the average age is 25, and of which 35-40% are minors.

At the lower end, that means of that 1.3million, there are 845,000 adults. How does 80,000 skilled laborers in a population of 845k fare?

[-]

Dirkdeking@reddit

I don't agree with your last statement. Yes if the situation is highly dangerous it shouldn't. But if it is relatively safe-ish I don't oppose a 2 way strategy where you let refugees with good jobs and a prospect of a future stay, while you send away those on employment benefits and those who have criminal records.

This isn't illegal. Syria is relatively safe now for most Sunni Arabs. You could send them back. But you as a nation are also allowed to grant some the privelage to stay based on things like employment status and their level of integration.

[-]