Well, you should. We’re definitely not family and while some of us are like our dear southern neighbours, some of us aren’t, and I’m sick of everyone assuming things they don’t know about because they read bs like this online. My culture, language and traditions have been constantly put aside, neglected and denied since we unfortunately got united and I’m not “croating”, I’m just sick of it. I’m a Croat with my own culture and language, not a “Serbocroat”, “ex-Yugo”, or anything else people try to put on me.

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Unable-Stay-6478@reddit

It's wrong to put people from Istria, Dalmatia, Zagorje and Slavonia under the name Croats to begin with.

Go to Brčko or Herzegovina and tell me the difference between Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats.

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Names-Are-Confusing@reddit

“Croats” from Bosnia are simply Bosnians. Obviously a “Croat”, a “Serb” and a “Bosniak” from the same town will be the same people. This logic only applies to Bosnia though.

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Unable-Stay-6478@reddit

This logic only applies to Bosnia though.

It's not just Serbs and Bosnians, practically every other republic had a positive view of it (with the exception of Slovenia who were 50/50) except you.

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My favourite is Hungary though.

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Vučić's lapdog as you called them do this to almost all of their neighbours, not just you guys.

Also these people are lately known under the term "Ćaci".

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Dazzling-Session-181@reddit

Right. I would still be more careful about Erdogan. That guy is a snake.

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CypriotGreek@reddit

Bulgaria
Albania
Turkey
North Macedonia

Damn we really don’t like any of our neighbours that much . (Besides Bulgaria, we went from enemies to allies, they’re the best).

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PlayfulMountain6@reddit

You had open war with Bulgaria and not a single one with Albania

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CypriotGreek@reddit

I mean, sure, technically there hasn’t been a formal Greece vs. Albania war. But that doesn’t mean there hasn’t been conflict. Albanians have repeatedly been involved in fighting Greeks, just usually under someone else’s banner.

During the Greek War of Independence, they were used by the Ottomans. In WWI and WWII, under larger powers. Even during the Cold War.

And even today, you don’t see Bulgarian leadership constantly taking shots at Greece every few weeks, which says something about the difference in relations.

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Fine-Ear-8103@reddit

Greek war of independence was albanians fighting albanians most of the time so you guys can barely even claim any beef with albanians that shit was more in-house than anything else.

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CypriotGreek@reddit

Yeah man, totally. I mean, you had the so-called “Albanians” literally throwing themselves off cliffs in Epirus, whole traditions tied to that, but yeah, clearly just Albanians, fighting their own people, but they’re still Albanians tho!

They’d rather jump off cliffs than live under Muslim Albanian rule, but sure bro, same people, same identity, all just “in-house,” right?

How about you write a comment of higher quality so it doesn't get deleted by reddit?

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

KPlusGauda@reddit

How many did you meet and what makes them such? Most Macedonians I've met were super nice and friendly. Could be a you problem, mate

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od3795486159601@reddit

A me problem that only seems to manifest with North "Macedonians", of course. How did I not think of this?

Also, you said Macedonians? I don't have a problem with Macedonians. I've met a few people from Thessaloniki and they're alright.

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SOHONEYSAME@reddit

majority of Greeks would.

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pilavustubilg@reddit

Pity. Greece is my favourite neighbour. Hatred is great tool for politicians.

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konstantinoskar2222@reddit

It is called Skopje not North Macedonia Macedonia is GREEK 🇬🇷

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AskBalkans-ModTeam@reddit

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konstantinoskar2222@reddit

I don't violate you just are from Skopje

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Substratas@reddit

Good lord, why Albania so hated? 😂

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SOHONEYSAME@reddit

it's not.

Albanians (in Greece) r viewed, generally, favourable.

& Albania (the country) is preferred to North Macedonia.

(however, ur politicians r shit, like a meme, but not funny).

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Savings_Dragonfly806@reddit

Where's this from?

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SOHONEYSAME@reddit

Greek university poll/study.

right.

if u only wanted North Macedonia, y attack Greece?

Greece
Albania
Kosovo
Bulgaria
Serbia

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han_oli@reddit

Uhhhhh syria

Israel

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erythrocytes235@reddit

1.) Romania

2.) Greece

3.) Turkey

4.) Serbia

What kind of persecution by the Greek Church?

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Fresh_Ad292@reddit

Northern Ireland
Scotland
Wales
England

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RustCohle_23@reddit

Our favorite is the only one that did not attack us during Balkan War 2 - the Black sea.

Stupid history jokes aside, I am biased and can't say anything but Greece.
Travelling to Romania next week, let's see how this goes.

Least favorite.. nothing against but we do not seem to have much in common with NMK lately.

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vitzex@reddit

Anything specific happening in Romania next week? Have fun btw!

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RustCohle_23@reddit

No, tbh. I just promised my grandma that we will go visit the castles one day so we are making a family trip to Bucharest, Brasov and the castles. Any suggestions - feel free if you are local! Have not done much researching tbh.

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vitzex@reddit

Aww, that's sweet.

Only general advice I can give is that the Bucharest<>Brasov traffic might suck if it's a weekend or holiday, as everybody will be driving on the same small mountain road.

As far as local suggestions go, I can only advise about Bucharest. It all depends on how long you're staying there - i.e. are you just parking and hanging out for a few hours or are you staying overnight?

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RustCohle_23@reddit

About the traffic - this is why we decided to travel this weekend, because next week is Easter and it'd be crazy. We are arriving in Bucharest in Saturday and heading to Brasov on Sunday.
We will spend at least a day in Bucharest - I've booked a place here:
Bulevardul Unirii 72, Sector 3
Any suggestions would be welcome - we are a family of 11, so any tips for a family sightseeing and places to eat are welcome! I think we all would appreciate some authentic place to try Romanian food.
Then on Monday we are heading back to Bucharest, we will see if we will stay there for another night or just for a walk, depends on how much time we have Saturday and Sunday morning.

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vitzex@reddit

If you're here on Monday, definitely book a guided tour inside the National Bank. It's free during the week. You need to book 2 working days in advance so do it today.

https://www.bnr.ro/en/24828-visitation-form-adults

The best tourist places to eat traditional food are Hanul lui Manuc and Caru cu Bere - they are both historical monuments too, so it's 2in1: sightseeing + eating. They will require booking.

Otherwise if you just want honest traditional food, locals seem to like La Mahala.

Most traditional food will be familiar to you as a Bulgarian - mici are cevapi with less spices but with mustard, sarma, mamaliga (polenta), all kinds of chorba.

I would suggest trying Bulz (baked polenta, stuffed with cheese/meat/eggs). Hope you don't have that as well xD

Sightseeing areas are basically between Hanul lui Manuc and Ateneul Roman.

You can go further to Strada Arthur Verona if you like street art. There's also free street art maps online.

That street's near a cute bookshop - Carturesti Verona. If you bring children or teens, they might like the basement, that's where the manga is.

Otherwise you'll definitely stumble upon the fancier Carturesti Carusel - the white bookshop in the Old Town.

IMO, an underrated central place is Aleea Dealul Mitropoliei, leading up to the old senate and current Church HQ.

As far as underrated architecture goes, our national style is visible on the University of Architecture (Strada Biserica Enei side). Honourable mention since you're BG: Strada Hristo Botev nr. 3, nearby.

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RustCohle_23@reddit

Thank you for all the information. All places bookmarked. Appreciate it!

I will try to organize a tour in the bank, thank you.

Both places you gave look amazing, especially the Caru cu Bere. Unfortunately, it seems to be full for this Saturday, I only found a table for 10 in decent times at the Craftsman's cellar - do you know if this is good?

I sent a request for the other place as well - so we at least have one option available.
We call mamaliga kachamak and it is not the most loved dish here but I will try Bulz just for the experience :D

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vitzex@reddit

I think the cellar has little to no decoration, so it'd be underwhelming compared to the main rooms and balconies.

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Dazzling-Session-181@reddit

Лично моят любим замък в Румъния е в Хнедоара (Хуняди) - замъкът на Корвините.
Но е по-удобно да се посети: Букурещ -> Плойещи-> Пелеш -> Ръшнов -> (малка отбивка на юг) за Бран -> Брашов. Бран може да се мине и на обратния път от Брашов пак покрай Ръшнов и вече надолу през Къмпулунг и Търговище.

same but with lands

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Mate, I was born in Bosnia and I’ve spent the first 19 years of my life in District, before settling in Belgrade. I had an equal share of best friends from all ethnicities: Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs. During this short period of time, I’ve personally experienced all stages of evolution in our relations: from war, post-war trauma, open-hatred and distrust to curiosity, willingness to overcome the differences, acceptance of the common traits and finally mutual love. Sure, if we want to focus on the differences: yes, I probably don’t have much in common with a kajkavian or an Istrian who never left their house, but I could say the same for such person from the south of Serbia or Vojvodina. And not to even mention the Montenegrins. I understand the part regarding the Croatian islanders too, my brother-in-law(dude from Zagorje, living in Zagreb) considers them as aliens(in a positive sense ofc). He probably visited every single island, and yet he still doesn’t understand the word they say.

As you may see, I gave the high rates to all of our brotherly nations, and for the Montenegrins—I was partly taking the piss. There are countless differences between these nations and the regional sub-groups, but I still consider all of the Western South Slavs as twin brothers; all of the South Slavs as brothers; and finally all of the Slavs as one huge family that’s full of drama.

Thank you listening to my TED Talk, I have to work now. 🖖

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Names-Are-Confusing@reddit

I left my house quite a few times, and that doesn’t make me any closer to you lmfao. What even is this logic?

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vldmr77@reddit

I love Bulgaria but this was funny

Serbia, our only real neighbour …
Everyone else, simply cause they hate us and have 0 respect: Bulgaria, Albania, Southern Neighbour

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PP7fromgoldeneye@reddit

>southern neighbor

you mean South Macedonia?

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intHP@reddit

1 Greece 2 Romania 3 Turkey 4 North Macedonia 5 Serbia

Honestly I've really noticed that for a lot of Bulgarians, it changes based on where they lived. If they are in northern BG they are more likely to put Romania first. If they are from south-western/central BG number one is most likely Greece. If they are from south-eastern Bulgaria - very likely Turkey would be their choice for N1. I personally have had amazing experiences with Romania and Turkey, but due to me being just a few hundred km from Greece - they are the people that I have had the closest relationships with. North Macedonia is 4th because I'm living close to them and we visit and talk to each other non-stop. So while the governments are at each others throats, the people near the border don't care. They are fourth though because I think even beyond contemporary politics, when we weren't at each others throats we never developed business, educational exchanges, infrastructure and tourism between each other like we have done with Romania, Greece and Turkey. And Serbia is 5th because I think surprisingly regardless of the fact that wherever we meet - we seem to like and understand each other with the Serbian people(and often drink together), Successive governments of both nations have shown total apathy towards each other. Not negativity not positivity, but just plain ol we won't engage with each other state-wise. Just like with North Macedonia - no infrastructure plans, not a lot of trading, tourism or educational exchanges. And I think this one is the weirdest and both of countries would've been better off by engaging and trading with each other maybe building proper infrastructure so our businesses can trade easily etc...

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Playful-Budget1071@reddit

Greece>Bulgaria≥Azerbaijan>Georgia>Iran>Armenia>Iraq>Syria

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Junior-Upstairs-3364@reddit

Idk maybe

Bahrain
Kuwait
Oman
Qatar
Jordan
UAE
Iraq 8.Yemen

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Anatolian_Man@reddit

Azerbaijan
Georgia
Greece - Bulgaria
Iran - Syria
Iraq
Armenia

Metsovo is just bit highier than Karditsa and Trikala, which I PERSONALLY visited the 2 cities, with lots of Aromanian communities there, and idk how u define geography, but anything below Kastoria, Ptolemaida or Beroia I would consider central Hellas.

Άρα, Πανω απο αυτα τα περιοχες, ειναι Βορεια Ελλαδα.

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Checky_3rd@reddit

Nice. A true brother always recognizes their brother first than their neighbours. :)

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NaturalCase333@reddit

Serbia
Greece
Albania
Bulgaria
Kosovo

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Serdar_Janko@reddit

As a serb 1. Montenegro 2. Bosnia and Herzegovina 3. Croatia 4. Macedonia 5. Romania 6. Bulgaria 7. Hungary 8. Albania/Kosovo Shit we have a lot of neighbors

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moonmew@reddit

Idk why I only now noticed how many neighbours you have. It's like you are living in appartment complex.

Well, one “neighbor” attacked us and wants to take our lands. We’ve been attacked from the territory of another country, another country has a bought-and-paid-for president (we used to have that too, but we removed him from power), and yet another country occasionally claims our lands as well (and has invaded us in the past). And all this despite the fact that we have never encroached on чужі землі—even those that were taken from us several decades ago (I’m not talking about the ones that are currently occupied). So we just want to be like Australia or insert the name of another country that only has neighbors across the sea/ocean, except Taiwan.

And this is what my house looked like after the “neighbors” came to my land

Slovenia
Montenegro
Italy (maritime border)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Hungary
Serbia

Nowadays, I'd say Hungary and Serbia can be interchangeable, tbh.

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ClothesZestyclose814@reddit (OP)

I will never get over the fact Serbs and Croats are basically the same people yet hate eachother to death. When did you guys start having conflict, things shouldn't be that bad between you for all history?

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Names-Are-Confusing@reddit

We’re not “basically the same people”. Not all of us, at least. Croatia is diverse and Slavonia is very similar to Serbia, especially Vojvodina, but the rest is not the most similar to Serbia. Linguistically, culturally, genetically and historically for example Zagreb and its region have been distant from Serbia and closer to Hungary, Austria and Slovenia. That still stands and I feel the closest to Slovenia and Hungary, then Serbia. Generalizing everyone as “Croats=Serbs” is dumb because it’s only a smaller part of the population.

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ClothesZestyclose814@reddit (OP)

You speak the same language, are both South Slavs, you live in the same land (Western Balkans), you only had different conquerors.

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Names-Are-Confusing@reddit

We don’t speak the same language though. At least not all of us. Shtokavian is a language spoken by Serbs, Bosnians, Montenegrins, and a number of Croats. But not all. On this map, Shtokavian is yellow and orange. The rest is Chakavian and Kajkavian, different languages with different grammar altogether, but they’re considered dialects for political reasons. I’m a Croat and yet I speak more similarly to a Slovene than a Serb. Also we have way more similarities in culture with Slovenes than with Serbs. Even Serbs recognize that. But you’re a Greek and uneducated on this topic so I don’t know if explaining it is even worth it.

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Unable-Stay-6478@reddit

Yes, we're basically the same and we don't hate each other. We're mostly ok with each other irl.

Tensions as a political conflict really started after World War I with the creation of Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, mainly because of disagreements over how the state was organized and who held power.

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Sheb1995@reddit

Firstly, calling us "basically the same people" is part of the problem. We can be very similar, but still different, and that is also fine.

Like I said, most Croats have okay to neutral views about all of our neighbours (we have good and bad things to say about all of them) and most don't think about having to rank them in order. But preferring certain neighbours, doesn't automatically mean you hate the rest.

Mutual animosity happened over the last century, primarily centred around WWII and the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990s, as you probably know.

News flash buddy.. I'm pretty sure some Slovenians beat up some Croatians at some point.

Think don't fall into mindless hate nationalisem..

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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

It was literally on the news. And it happened multiple times over summer. I’m being objective, this has nothing to do with nationalism.

Funny how it’s for some people acceptable to hate Italians but if there is some criticism of Croatian behaviour towards Slovenians then it is labelled as “hate nationalism”.

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the_TIGEEER@reddit

> It was literally on the news. And it happened multiple times over summer.

How is that a counterargument? I literally said that the point is that the Slovenians also beat up Croatians. You cna't form your opinion because of some individual events. There is soooo many more stories and situations where Croatians helped out Slovenians at the sea when their car died or when the hotel rejected them or how everyone gets along in Zagreb etc..

> Funny how it’s for some people acceptable to hate Italians but if there is some criticism of Croatian behaviour towards Slovenians then it is labelled as “hate nationalism”.

No. If you check the other replies on this top comment I similaraly called out another (suposedly) Slovenian for being a bigot towards the Italians.

This is your problem. You choose to believe the truth that you wanna hear. "Huh, a Slovenian was beaten up.. Those Croatians are all the same." "Huh, you are attacking me just cuz I'm talking shit about Croatians? You wouldn't do that if it was Italians."

Depends on how you make it and what coffee you get, it makes a huuge difference. And there's a TON of bad options so yeah.

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lazyredito@reddit

Lots of things, they come to our gas ststions to pump our cheaper gas so that theres less for us, they have no manners-breathing behind your neck in the store, no road manners, groups of them stoping on sidewalks for talks and evryone else is expected to walk on the road so that they can chat on the street etc, they come to our country and expect us to speak their language, they think they are onlyones who know how to cook and so on. Put it shortly cant stand them.

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the_TIGEEER@reddit

they come to our gas ststions to pump our cheaper gas

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MrVyper42@reddit

They don't want to give them Trst.

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TheRealGand@reddit

italian here, just wanted to say that in Italy we don't care about Austria lmao

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FlamingoLogical3325@reddit

why do you even say it then lol the poster is not austrian

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TheRealGand@reddit

and why are you answering if you are not the poster? lol

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Spirited_Patience_80@reddit

Haha I live in southern Switzerland and I agree.

Tradatorule! (I am Moldovan.)

What's with the hate for Ukraine?

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PomegranateOk2600@reddit

Until the war our relations were bad since Ukraine appeared as a state

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dancewithstrangers@reddit

And borders; I like both Canada and Mexico. The people from both are great, Mexicans undoubtedly have better food, Canadians have a better quality of living generally. I’d probably live in either if I could live in either but not if I had to randomly spawn somewhere.

Azerbaijan > Greece = Bulgaria = Armenia = Georgia = Syria = Iraq > Iran

I don’t have strong opinions on anyone except

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HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit

Putting us in the same level as Syria and Iraq is definitely something

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absurdism2018@reddit

Why?

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HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit

Third world backwards countries

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parolethephone@reddit

yeah buy they didnt do anything bad to us other than millions of refugees

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HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit

other than millions of refugees

I can't think of anything worse than that. If I had to choose between getting millions of refugees and being attacked again by the Ottoman empire, I'd choose Ottomans in a heartbeat

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parolethephone@reddit

Well yeah but the new syrian government is basically our puppet. And them doing good means more syrians will go back.

And we export cheap oil from iraq lol.

Is-Smirni, Is-Nikea, Is-tin-poli, Is-amison

I can go on brochacho 🥀

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Dunkelhaft@reddit

Yeah but they are Turkish cities 😄

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ClothesZestyclose814@reddit (OP)

They are as Turkish as Dolmadaki is Greek

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Dunkelhaft@reddit

I see them in TR same as

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🇲🇰 1. Bulgaria 2. Albania 3. Kosovo 4. Greece 5. Serbia

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caat-6@reddit

Croatia
Austria, Hungary, Italy

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BillGates121193@reddit

I’m Romanian and I would go with Serbia 🇷🇸, Moldova 🇲🇩, Bulgaria 🇧🇬, Hungary and Ukraine

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Da. Multumesc-

Am multi prieteni din regiunea Moldova, din Iasi, Suceava, Braila, Bacau, etc.

Macedonian here.

Serbia
Albania 3.
5.
Kosovo, Bulgaria (I noticed their mood towards us changed completly in the last few years as we did not return the showed love, 😘) and our southern neigbouring (the one with capital called Atina)

mw2lmaa@reddit

Ah thanks.

You should send them some stuff they need to end this Transnistria clownshow. Everything outside the Russian base in Tiraspol should be done before noon. They then have a lot of time to starve the base into submission.

As a Bosnian-Serb diaspora living in the US

Turkey

2.Greece

3.Montenegro

4.Slovenia

I recently came across a Facebook post from an elementary school here in N. Macedonia. Given a neighboring country the kids ~10 year olds, had a task to make a DIY poster on the beauties on each of them.

To see young people talk about traditions, cuisine, nature and the beauties of Serbia, Kosovo, Bulgaria and Greece gave me a weird sense of hope.

To answer your question Greece is the most beautiful. Sofia is lovely (honorable mention Lukanka + Peshterska)...but once I missed the turn and ended up in a random village near Kyustendil and holy shit it was I scary. Felt like a time machine into a Borat scene. Not that our villages are better so yeah.

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mw2lmaa@reddit

🇨🇿 - 1 (Austria's speech impeded twin)
🇭🇷 - 2 (technically not a neighbour but still)
🇸🇰 - 3 (Bratislava is such a nice suburb of Vienna)
🇸🇮 - 4 (Maribor is such a nice suburb of Graz)
🇺🇦 - 5 (Slava Lemberg!)
🇨🇭 - 6 (the world's most boring country, but their landscape is nice)
🇱🇮 - 7 (all 13 of them)
🇮🇹 - 8 (give back Triest & Südtirol. And Jesolo, for the lulz)
no one - 9
no one - 10
no one - 11
🇭🇺 - 12 (will fall to rank 278 if you vote for HIM again)
🇩🇪 (DNQ)

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KPlusGauda@reddit

I couldn't care less about you and your meaningless opinion

Your post/comment was removed for violating Rule 3 of r/AskBalkans "No agenda pushing". We want this subreddit to be an inclusive space and no chauvinism, bigotry or insults towards national, ethnic, religious etc. group will be tolerated. Depending on the severity of this violation, you may be banned.

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Checky_3rd@reddit

Here we have a TRUE specimen of Bulgarian nationalist, a TRUE CHAD. 👏

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Specific-Taste7469@reddit

Azerbaijan > Greece = Bulgaria > Armenia = Georgia > Iran > Syria > Iraq

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Abject_Avocado_6410@reddit

As Croatian, Slovenia, Italy and Herzegovina are good neighbors. For others we don’t care coz they are disaster.

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LukaMum@reddit

Serbia 2. 3.
Greece
Bulgaria, Albania, Kosovo

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El_Jefe___@reddit

Hungary 🇭🇺, Croatia 🇭🇷, Bulgaria 🇧🇬, Romania 🇷🇴, Bosnia 🇧🇦, North Macedonia 🇲🇰, Albania 🇦🇱, Montenegro 🇲🇪.

Your parents went thru NATO bombs so u can give hot takes on balkan neighbors from spain???😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Im not triggered im havin a laugh

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Impressive_Bid9749@reddit

Albanian here,i have nothing bad to say about our neighbors, normal people are good but the politics make them think bad things for us ...

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Elegant-Method902@reddit

Bulgaria, Portugal, Serbia (it's a tie)
Italy
Hungary
Moldova
Montenegro
Bosnia
Croatia
Monkeydonkia
Turkey
Albania

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Budget_Inspector_844@reddit

Greece 2. Serbia 3. Albania 4. Bulgaria

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Serbia
Kosovo
Albania
Greece
Bulgaria

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Responsible_Trick466@reddit

Who are you?

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Stealthfighter21@reddit

Romania/Greece

North Macedonia/Turkey

That other one

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Responsible_Trick466@reddit

Kosova
Greece
N Macedonia
Serbia I mean Montenegro

Montenegro being the least favorite because they’re also very hostile . Sure there are Albanians there but they are very few to change the opinion I have of Mne

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digdagger@reddit

Sweden 2. Estonia 3. Norway 4. Russia

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Thebaptistrapist@reddit

Greece
Slovenia
Romania

Romania
North Macedonia

The rest that I don't like (with subcategories):

Meeeh, they can be alright SOMETIMES:

Bulgaria
Bosnia
Montenegro
Hungary

Dead last shared by twins that'll never be higher most likely:

Croatia/Albania

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CandidDebate6827@reddit

You don't have a border with Albania :)

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TragicGloom@reddit

Slovenia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Italy
Montenegro
Hungary
Serbia

Croatia

Serbia

We don't have any other neighbours.

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TwoFistsOneVi@reddit

We don't have any other neighbours

Black Sea, Bulgaria, Greece

Bulgaria 🤣

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I understand ur point, like I said, not all turks are the same, we all are flawed human beings representing ourselves differently in the world, not saying us Romanians are any better, or Bulgarians are better or worse or anything.

Just saying that ON AVERAGE, if you put a Turk, and a greek, bulgarian or romanian in a room, I am almost entirely sure that the balkan person would find SOMETHING that they dislike about the turk, and u can replace the turk with any other turk, so u wont say that its cuz of one turk's personality only.

Again, I am NOT saying that the Turkish people are bad or anything, its just that for specific people, they would dislike the turks more than other specific people.

As Bulgarian:

20th century history
Current relations
Serbia is an economically poorer neighbour
Hungary is significantly more beautiful in terms of architecture.
We were in a union with Hungarians for 800 years.

Pisem na Engleskom zato kaj tehnicki nije dozvoljeno na ostalim jezicima.

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Krinder@reddit

Geez guy you’re definitely helping with the whole reconciliation process aren’t you

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resident-117@reddit

yall are my number 1 neighbour too :))

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Erozbey@reddit

As a Turk:

Azerbaijan: A political and military ally and a Turkish state.
Georgia: We get along well.
Bulgaria: EU neighbor, beautiful country. I miss Varna.
Greece: EU neighbor, forever komşu, but have political problems. I think some Greeks believe we see them as our eternal enemies, but they’re wrong.
Armenia: No diplomatic relations. Besides, they are harmless. It looks like things are going to change under the Pashinyan government.
Iran: One of the region’s major power, and while we share historical ties, there is also some rivalry.
Iraq: A real pain in the neck. The refugees we took in because of the Gulf War are now a burden on us.
Syria: There are security issues. It has been one of the factors undermining the Turkish economy for over 15 years.

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ClothesZestyclose814@reddit (OP)

I'm sorry but is there anything your government didn't do to make an enemy out of Greece and Greek people in general? It's like they do everything to be our enemies, from Hagia Sophia to random war threats to blue homeland bs. I mean, can you blame us?

About Syria, why do you see them as burden to the Turkish econony? I would believe they can be used as cheap labor, that wouldn't help the economy?

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Western_Fox_4253@reddit

Governments do what they do. I think they meant that Turkish people in general don’t see Greece as a big threat while things are different on the other side of the sea.

As for Syria, I think the numbers play a role here in terms of cheap labor vs economic burden. 4 million Syrian refugees put a burden on welfare system and domestic work market while unemployment is already a big problem in Türkiye.

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ClothesZestyclose814@reddit (OP)

Greeks don't see Turkey as a threat, we know that attacking us would be a suicide mission and an absolute disaster. We see it more as a meme honestly, to make fun of both our governments that obviously do this show for the right-wing votes.

Are all these Syrians living on welfare? Are they not integrated into the local economy yet? When we had a massive influx of Albanian immigrants they did fill a good chunk of cheap labor for decades.

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Western_Fox_4253@reddit

No, not all live on welfare but most Syrian women are housewives and they have a much higher birthrate than Turkish people. And to be honest, cheap labor generally means exploitation of work force when the market is not regulated properly.

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Erozbey@reddit

When the goal is to win votes, both the Turkish and Greek governments are doing everything in their power. Besides, there’s no smoke without fire. The concept of the “Blue Homeland” was born because of the Greek government wish to extend the maritime zone from 6 to 12 miles. The reconversion of Hagia Sophia into a mosque is seen by some as a provocation against the Greeks, while others argue it was already a mosque.

As for the issue of Syrians... We faced problems such as the right to attend university freely, the difficulty of finding work, and the constant clash between two different cultures. Thanks to the government, Kurds were treated as the first people and Turks as the second; when the Syrians arrived, we fell to third place.

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ClothesZestyclose814@reddit (OP)

The difference is extending our maritime zone from 6 to 12 miles is our right under International Law, while the "Blue Homeland" has no legal basis whatsoever. You will tell me you didn't sign UNCLOS, but that doesn't change the fact that this is this is how the rest of the world works. You have a geographical weakness, that's all.

Hagia Sophia was a museum, converting the symbol of the Greek Orthodox Church to a mosque is the greatest provocation against us. Meanwhile Greece has magnanimously converted the birthplace of your founding father into a museum dedicated to him.

Let's not pretend it's a 50-50 situation, the provocations are overwhelmingly coming from one side.

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Erozbey@reddit

It is provocative enough to want to increase the limit from 6 miles to 12 miles. You have already increased the maritime boundary—which was originally limited to 3 miles under the first agreement—to 6 miles. The Blue Homeland is a threat from your perspective. I accept that. This is likely the reason you cannot up to 12-mile. It is partly a matter of power. Turkey has enough power to declare a casus belli.

roflstones@reddit

They didn't say they don't like Armenia. It's just their personal ranking. I personally think Greeks, Balkan/Anatolian Turks and Armenians share a common heritage, we like/dislike similar things. We'been part of the same 2 empires since forever. There are racists people across all these nations that hate each other without ever meeting one. We all get along the best once we live abroad in another country, we understand each other and make fun of the same quirks of other people that's not from these lands. I will be happy to have you as a room mate and appreciate if you make Tzatziki for dinner, and you will be happy if I bring out the Raki to go along with it if we both shared an apartment in say Los Angeles, don't you agree? That's at least my experience with my neighbours.

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wisdomHungry@reddit

From romania: Ukraine, Moldova, Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary

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Checky_3rd@reddit

The Ukraine glaze is crazy.

Either way, ur a traitor to me, frate.

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PomegranateOk2600@reddit

makes no sense how Ukraine could be first to a romanian

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cihan2t@reddit

From Turkiye ;

I heard stories from traders in western coast about Turkish suggestion for help in times of fire in islands or people from the islands often come to Turkey to buy stuff both because we are cheper and closer. That’s what I meant. It is not a dependency but a ease of help.

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Old_Resort_529@reddit

Yes , Westerners think every middle eastern country is terrorist and bad but persian people and culture is similer to greece in my opinion

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Deep-Cheek-4335@reddit

Greece - very beautiful country. I love the history, the architecture. The people are pretty chill. Idk why my best friend hates it so much. 8/10
Romania - Bulgaria 2 from what i saw. Pretty chill place. The parliament building was insane. 8/10
Serbia - never been there, can't speak much about it.
Macedonia - never been there. I don't like the bulgarophobia and that Bulgarian history is being presented as Macedonian.
Turkey - yes, i am ranking it lower than countries i haven't even been in. I hate the language and music, i hate how loud people are there. I hate istanbul driving. And the tour guides can never be trusted with teaching history. The lies they told us exceeded the truths. I am trying to exclude personal experiences that could have happened in greece or romania but i need to mention that my father was almost robbed, almost everyone scammed us for the prices of food. The entry fees are simply insane. 6/10

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Fragrant-Field-2017@reddit

Bulgarians are hit or miss, but in general good. Romanians, due to work I have many colleagues which are awesome people so I think the best of them. Moving to west Balcan.... yeah, not the best opinions. Especially for the Skopjians which I feel sad for them. Albanians I think are mostly good, when they are not robbing me! (joking!)

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Young_Owl99@reddit

I will not rate but give my personal opinion

Let's begin from West to East.

Greece: Good. We have every reason to have problem together so our relations seems to be eternally doomed but I don't think about them negatively. They are fine. Plus, they have a cool history and culture that I know many Turks also like. I also admire them for preserving their language and alphabet for the longest time.

Bulgaria: Good. We don't hear about you guys a lot. Some trolls on internet often declare them as Slavised Turks but other than that we are fine I guess. Same as Greece, I like Bulgarian culture as well. Plus, same admiration with Greece.

Syria: I don't know. I don't hate Syria, how can you hate a country that impossible to have diplomatic relations at all. Syria is not a stable country that I can make comment about.

Nothing against the country. Besides the Black sea, I made the list based on where I have more friends/stronger friendships.

Your_Angel21@reddit

Feels too bad to say because even the last on the list I don't dislike at all. But I'll say Moldova #1 and Bulgaria is a close second.

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HunterRbx@reddit

Serbia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Moldova and Ukraine

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Checky_3rd@reddit

traitor.

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Roufianos255@reddit

Starting with least favourite, as a Greek, my least favourite is easily Turkey. I've never had a bad experience with the people in real life, internet trolls are another thing, but the country itself and its actions easily make it number one.

After that I'd say North Macedonia for the complete lack of self-awareness they show. Taking someone else's identity and then trying to play victim and talking about right to self determination.

Then probably Croatia and Bosnia who have almost nothing to do with Greece yet seem to have a dislike.

Then Albania, who we also have some hostilities with, but they're also probably the most similar people to Greeks.

Bulgarians, Romanians and Serbs are cool.

I'd probably say the South Italians across the sea are my favourite.

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Checky_3rd@reddit

we don't count the Griko considering how Italy does not border Greece, but I agree with your list.

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Mastermindkrug2@reddit

Kosovo is Serbia

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Checky_3rd@reddit

I mean, does it count if I rank twice? Since I was born in Moldova, but live in Greece?

Moldova:
1- Romania
2- Ukraine (wish I could delete them.)

Albania, 2. MKD (kind of cool ppl when you actually just chill with em), 3. Montenegro, 4. Serbia

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