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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

If they insist on setting the precedent that it's acceptable to execute prisoners of war, they needn't whinge about it when the shoe ends up on the other foot.

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NOLA-Bronco@reddit

Come on, have you interacted with a Hasbarist?

Never the aggressor, always the victim

Just the other day I heard Israel and America trot out the "Iranians are using human shields" argument in the same breath IDF is huddling in bunkers under residential building in Tel Aviv, and US soldiers are hiding out in hotels instead of occupying their base's because they don't want to get droned.

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Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

the issue is that "human shields" categorically cannot apply against Israel.

It is fundamentally better for Israel if they can achieve their military objectives without killing Palestinian civilians. This is because Israel relies on support from western countries that get mad if you kill civilians. Because of this, requiring Israel kill Palestinian civilians in order to achieve their military objectives does harm Israel.

However, China and Russia don't really show any concern over Israeli civilians being killed. It does not impact Iran or their proxies one bit if attacking Israel's military results in civilian deaths.

It also doesn't apply because Iran hasn't done enough damage for the argument to really be relevant. So far, 23 Israeli civilians have been killed in the war. Maybe the Israeli government could have done more to protect them, but you can't blame massive civilian deaths on Israel using "human shields" when there are no mass deaths to blame on anyone. An argument like that only hypothetically works in the context of a war like Gaza, where thousands of civilians died.

The other factor is that if Israel bombs a building, there is some collective understanding that Israel wanted to bomb that building. When Iran bombs a town miles away from a nuclear facility, the popular narrative is that Iran wanted to bomb the nuclear facility, but they were a few miles off. This lack of precision also just makes the "human shields" argument irrelevant.

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TheAwesomePenguin106@reddit

It's fundamentally better for Israel if they can achieve their military objectives without killing Palestinian civilians

Based on the last few decades we can only assume that 1) the Israeli armed forces are among the most incompetent AF in the world; or 2) you are completely wrong.

Western countries that get mad if you kill civilians

Yes, they provide lots of worried notes and even more money to Israel's armed forces

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Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

Based on the last few decades we can only assume that 1) the Israeli armed forces are among the most incompetent AF in the world; or 2) you are completely wrong.

this is because you people refuse to accept anything that isn't completely black and white, and thus miss out on a lot of the reality of the situation. it is very objectively true that it is better for Israel if Israel could get everything they want without killing civilians. it is also true that it is completely impossible for Israel to achieve their objectives without killing people, even regardless any potential "human shields," and that is not a major deterrent for Israel.

Yes, they provide lots of worried notes and even more money to Israel's armed forces

I love how every minute the narrative oscillates between "the zionist entity is 0.2 seconds away from collapsing since everyone has woken up to the evils of Israeli war crimes" and "Israel never faces any consequences for any of their actions." In reality, similar to the situation I mentioned above, situations can be somewhat non-ideal while also not being significant enough to act as a major deterrent.

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Intarhorn@reddit

So why wasn’t there lots of civilian casualties when Ukraine invaded Russia? Because they actually cared about civilians unlike Israel and Russia. It can be done if you want to.

Also western governments doesn’t really seem to care about civilian casualties. The Iraq war is evidence of that.

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Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

claiming there weren't lots of civilian casualties in Ukraine is asinine. 88k people died in Mariupol alone. Genuinely shame on you for denying atrocities committed against Ukrainians because an Israeli was annoying you on reddit. Like why bring innocent people into this instead of just being a holocaust denier or whatever?
Israel and Russia have very different goals, so the comparison doesn't even make sense. Russia's goal is to take land. Israel's isn't. Gaza is only 140 square miles. Israel's goal is to pacify terrorists.

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Intarhorn@reddit

You’re saying that’s their goals, but what does the evidence say? For example the witness testimony of green beret Tony Aguilar tells a different story. Or the killing and execution of the 15 Palestinian ambulance workers that was caught on tape or the new racial law that allows for Israel to use the death penalty only on Palestinians and so on. Or the many human rights organizations and scholars including Jewish once agreeing on Gaza being a genocide. There are too many things that speaks against this being only about pacifying terrorists.

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Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

Tony Aguilar

I looked into this guy a bit. Apparently his main "whistleblowing" was that he allegedly watched a child get murdered, a child whose identity was known, and who was found alive after his supposed "murder." This person does not deserve to be taken seriously.

Or the killing and execution of the 15 Palestinian ambulance worker

I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about here, so I can't talk about the specific instances. However, that doesn't really matter because even if their was no reason for the attack other than sadists wanting to murder people, isolated incidents do not define military objectives.

If Israel's objective was to kill people, firstly, there would be absolutely no warning to anyone to evacuate. 80% of buildings being bombed would mean 80% of people being bombed in those buildings. Secondly, there would be a major emphasis in sending in death squads to kill everyone injured by bombing.

The entire way the war is structured would be incredibly different. Instead of focusing on destroying infrastructure and pushing away to create a buffer zone, it would be chasing people down and killing them.

the new racial law that allows for Israel to use the death penalty only on Palestinians and so on.

Israeli and Palestinian are not races; they are nationalities.
idt you understand this law at all, because it really doesn't say what you think it says. It isn't a law that gives all Palestinians the death penalty. It is a law that says Palestinians who commit murderous terrorist attacks against Israelis should be given the death penalty. This law was proposed because of Yahya Sinwar, a murderer whose "punishment" under the current Israeli legal system was getting free cancer treatment, and then being let free so he could go massacre more Jews. If this man was treated justly and given the death penalty, tens of thousands of people, the vast majority of them being Palestinian lol, would still be alive today. As for why the law doesn't equally punish Israelis who murder Palestinians, many people in Israel criticize it for the same reason, but the perspective of more far right people is that it isn't really the responsibility of our government to kill our own people on behalf of an enemy nation who openly and universally wants to murder all of our people. There is a lot of gray area between that and actively wanting to murder people. The point of the law is to keep Israel safe and secure while being more indifferent towards Palestinians. This is very in line with Israeli objectives and other Israeli actions.

Or the many human rights organizations and scholars including Jewish once agreeing on Gaza being a genocide.

seeing how terms like genocide have been redefined to mean "anything I dislike," sure I guess lol. However, even if Israel was committing a "genocide" in the traditional sense and murdering every single Palestinian they could get their hands on, that still wouldn't necessarily disprove my point. while sometimes genocides are nothing but sadistic revenge killings, sometimes wanting to kill a group of people is simply a tactic to achieve a greater purpose.

The logic you are currently following is that you make dubious claims about what Israel is doing, and then you extrapolate that to try to infer what Israel's objectives are. However, there is no reason to do that. your logic is both backwards, since tactics don't define objectives, and completely unnecessary because Israel isn't some secret mysterious country you need to make inferences about. Everything is quite open and straight forward.

There are too many things that speaks against this being only about pacifying terrorists.

It really doesn't. Israel isn't going around attacking places that don't threaten them with terrorism. Everything done by Israel is directly done to punish/discourage terrorism, or to logistically make terrorism difficult. I think some of the disconnect might be that there seems to be this popular notion that being mean to terrorists is what leads to terrorism, but empirically, that is not true (at least in Israel's case). Being harsh and cracking down on people is how to stop terrorism. You can see terrorism from Palestinians in the West Bank decreasing as they get treated more harshly, and Gazans did 10/7 when they were relatively free and autonomous.

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Intarhorn@reddit

His main whistleblowing was that he watched IDF behave recklessly and inhumanly at the aid stations and also shooting at them, treating Palestinians as animals and also injuring and killing people by not acting like professionals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKpkZNAFwkc

There are no independent sources verifying your claim that they boy was found alive. Furthermore, even if found true, could be explained by a chaotic environment where he could easily have been mistaken. He have no bias for lying about his experience and he seems like a moral man. The type of person that are brave enough to expose injustice.

I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about here, so I can't talk about the specific instances. However, that doesn't really matter because even if their was no reason for the attack other than sadists wanting to murder people, isolated incidents do not define military objectives.

It does if it happens again and again and also if it's not properly dealt with by the justice system. Video proof of the horrible attack on the paramedics. Israel literally lied about what happened until video proof showed it was not true. What else did they lie about?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rASXJhY_NVs

If Israel's objective was to kill people,

That's the issue with your reasoning. As if you are either the good guys or the bad guys, even tho in reality it's usually not that easy. Even if that's not their main objective it is still bad if it's their second or third objective. And even if it's not any of their spoken objective, acting recklessly and not caring about civilians and being fine with lots of civilian mass causalities is just as bad. Flattening a city like this is not something a good government does: The destruction is insane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYbjX4rNPk8

Mossad showed that they can focus on avoiding civilian casualties if they want to when they did the Hezbollah pagers attack. They obviously have the tools to do the same to Hamas if that was their main goal.

"Israeli and Palestinian are not races; they are nationalities."

That's such a stupid way to try and frame it. It's splitting hairs. Imagine if a country for example had a law that allowed for the death penalty for Israelis but no one else lol. For example, if Ukraine had special death penalty laws only for Russians, the west would be very upset about it. Even jewish groups are condemning this disgusting law actually:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/leading-jewish-group-condemns-israels-death-penalty-laws/xix9ke0z7

Even jewish holocaust scholars like Amos Goldberg are saying it's a genocide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMwqhdVV5as

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Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

There are no independent sources verifying your claim that they boy was found alive.

They released videos proving he was alive and interviewed him and his family.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-866369

Furthermore, even if found true, could be explained by a chaotic environment where he could easily have been mistaken

He made an incredibly specific claim. He provided a video, and then claimed that exact boy was shot right after that video ended (continent timing lol). That is a claim too specific to be easily "mistaken." It isn't like he was asked to identify someone after the fact. He told a story of a very specific interaction, and was proven wrong.

He have no bias for lying about his experience and he seems like a moral man. The type of person that are brave enough to expose injustice.

You don't know if he is unbiased. He could have a bias, or maybe he is just attention hungry. Either way, he is a proven lair that doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. The only defense you have of him just comes from your own confirmation bias.

It does if it happens again and again and also if it's not properly dealt with by the justice system.

no, it doesn't.

firstly, tactics come from objectives, not the other way around. you can do a thing as a means to achieve another thing. when you work a job, it isn't because your goal in life is to work, but because you need to it as a tactic to achieve your actual goal of making money. this is an incredibly simple concept that idk why I have to keep explaining.

the comment about the justice system makes even less sense. I guess that could be proof that they aren't doing enough by your standards to minimize civilian casualties, but there is a lot in between "not doing enough to punish x" and "increasing x is the main objective of the war."

Israel literally lied about what happened until video proof showed it was not true.

That makes them better than you, who is still pushing the narrative of that kid being dead even despite video proof of him being alive.

What else did they lie about?

If you want to doubt Israel next time they deny blowing up an ambulance or whatever, be my guest. However, the extrapolation you are trying to do is insane here when Israel's objectives are quite straight forward.

That's the issue with your reasoning. As if you are either the good guys or the bad guys

the projection here is insane. your argument is unironically "Israel = bad, therefore everything I imagine as bad is true about Israel."

acting recklessly and not caring about civilians and being fine with lots of civilian mass causalities is just as bad.

okay, then complain about Israel doing that instead of making stuff up.

Flattening a city like this is not something a good government does: The destruction is insane:

did you read the comment you replied to? In my comment, I explicitly referenced Israel destroying most of the buildings in Gaza and even defined destroying infrastructure as one of the main objectives.

Mossad showed that they can focus on avoiding civilian casualties if they want to when they did the Hezbollah pagers attack. They obviously have the tools to do the same to Hamas if that was their main goal.

Israel can do targeted assassinations, and did some against Hamas leadership. However, targeted assassinations aren't enough to eliminate the threat of Hamas (like Iran and Hezbollah).

That's such a stupid way to try and frame it. It's splitting hairs.

it actually isn't when my entire gripe with you people is that you completely make stuff up about Israel under the logic of "Israel = bad, therefore everything I imagine as bad is true about Israel."

For example, if Ukraine had special death penalty laws only for Russians, the west would be very upset about it

I personally support Ukraine killing every Russian who murders Ukrainians in Ukraine. I reject a legal system that forces me to pay for Yahya Sinwar's cancer treatment. I would support Ukrainians feeling/doing the same with Russian murderers.

Even jewish groups are condemning this disgusting law actually:

this is the second time in one reply that your refusal to read my comment led you to accidentally just repeat what I said.

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Intarhorn@reddit

He told a story of a very specific interaction, and was proven wrong.

Except he never claimed he was 100 % sure he was dead, but he thought he was. Your unwillingness to even entertain that possibility but straight away calling him a liar speaks volumes.

But in response to questions from The Daily Wire, Aguilar clarified that while he saw “Amir’s” motionless body on the ground, he could not verify that he was dead. Aguilar said that, based on his 25 years of experience in the Army, he assessed the boy was “dead or, at a minimum, fatally wounded.”

“I saw Amir’s body on the ground, having fallen/dropped to the ground amidst the gunfire from the IDF, which was being fired toward the crowd as a crowd control measure to keep them moving in a westerly direction to the Morag Corridor as they left the site,” Aguilar said. “It has always been my position that he, and others, were dead. The body wasn’t moving. Others ran or limped away. I, nor anyone, could verify that he was dead.”

“Considering that he has not been found, and he has not been seen, it is safe to say that my assessment is correct,” Aguilar added. “However, if he were to be alive, that would be a blessing. Yet it does not excuse the firing of ‘warning shots’ at/toward/near a group of unarmed civilians.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/exclusive-new-evidence-calls-into-question-viral-story-of-gazan-boy-amir-killed-at-ghf-aid-site?author=Kassy+Akiva&category=News&elementPosition=5&row=0&rowType=Vertical+List&title=EXCLUSIVE%3A+New+Evidence+Calls+Into+Question+Viral+Story+Of+Gazan+Boy+%E2%80%98Amir%E2%80%99+Killed+At+GHF+Aid+Site

And you also ignored that Israeli newspaper Haaratz interviewed IDF soldiers that made the same claims as Aguilar. Are those Israeli soldiers and officers also lying?

"IDF officers and soldiers told Haaretz they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza, even when no threat was present. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, prompting the military prosecution to call for a review into possible war crimes"

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

That makes them better than you, who is still pushing the narrative of that kid being dead even despite video proof of him being alive.

Yea, not believing GHF that invested themselves and found themselves not guilty and second source Fox news (that are not very well known for being trust worthy), is much worse then IDF soldiers shooting paramedics in the head, executing them, and then not even facing any legal consequences at all. If Israel was not acting as an apartheid state they would equally give the death penalty to both IDF soldiers and Hamas terrorists. But the soldiers killing paramedics on purpose doesn't even get jail time, it's disgusting. Your response is very telling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/15/world/middleeast/gaza-medics-autopsies-israel.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/16/autopsies-of-rescue-workers-killed-in-gaza-show-gunshots-to-head-and-torso

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/20/israeli-military-admits-professional-failures-over-gaza-paramedic-killings

did you read the comment you replied to? In my comment, I explicitly referenced Israel destroying most of the buildings in Gaza and even defined destroying infrastructure as one of the main objectives.

That is part of the genocide and massive destruction of properties like that amounts to war crimes. Insane that you are admitting that. I guess my brain didn't comprehend you were saying some crazy shit like that.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-destroying-civilian-housing-and-infrastructure-international-crime

I personally support Ukraine killing every Russian who murders Ukrainians in Ukraine.

The fact you are saying that instead of wanting a fair trial and a justice system that deals with everyone equally is also very telling. That's the word of someone stuck in a hateful mind and a twisted worldview. Wanting war criminals to face justice is normal, but this eye for an eye view on justice is why a lot of people don't like the Israeli system and how they are treating the Palestinians through an apartheid system.

The fact Ukraine follows Geneva convention and treats their prisoners humanly is why they are succeeding and are giving them the moral high ground over the Russians. It gives them stronger reasons to keep fighting, because they can rightfully see themselves as the good guys and that they are fighting for a rightful cause.

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Intarhorn@reddit

I don’t think you realize what I wrote about Ukraine? It’s the opposite of what you said. I was referring to the invasion of Kursk where Ukraine instead of bombing civilians actually spared them and even sent in food and help. That’s how Russia and Israel should behave. Shame on you for not reading what I wrote.

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Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

I have never heard of the incident you were speaking of. I assumed you were talking about Russia's invasion of Ukraine and were just dyslexic or whatever. I am sorry for being uneducated and assuming you were either a Russia supporter or a rage baiter. Shame on me.

The rest of what I said still I think applies though because trying to take land is different than trying to stop terrorism.

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RansomXenom@reddit

This is because Israel relies on support from western countries that get mad if you kill civilians.

Lol. Lmao, even.

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

Average Hasan Piker viewer

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

Who do you think should be insulted by that?

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RascalRandal@reddit

That vile person establishment ghoul, Jake Tapper, had on an Israeli woman to explain how happy Iranians are to have bombs dropped on their heads. She also primed the audience by mentioning that the IRGC has embedded into schools, hospitals, and mosques.

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Nileghi@reddit

lmao when have you people ever considered any Israeli innocent?

The Israelis know that if the shoe goes on the other foot, every single one of them dies a violent death to the last infant. Thats why theyre very serious about making sure their enemies don't get any amount of power to do so.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

If your thought is true, which it isn't, why do you think that you feel that could be the case? Do you think the native people are worshippers of khorne or something? Because if I was to try to guess which party was gathering skulls for the skull throne and blood for the blood god it wouldn't be the native people

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Nileghi@reddit

If your thought is true, which it isn't, why do you think that you feel that could be the case?

"Didnt happen but it should"

Yea see thats what I mean. You treat the Israelis like desperados who's sole fate is to be annihilated, be ethnically cleansed/genocided at worst or be treated like a hated minority under a palestinian government at best, and then wonder why they just straight up refuse to acknowledge the concept of irish morality.

The Israelis know you wish them malice, and do everything in their power, including razing Gaza to the ground, to make sure your lot doesn't possess the capacity to exterminate them.

At least put 2+2 together.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

Decolonisation is the word you're looking for

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Nileghi@reddit

Right, and your violence desires their annihilation.

So why would they give the remotest shit about your morality when we all can clearly see what it leads to?

And for the record, the Israelis genuinely believe theyre decolonizing their own indigenous land of an arab empire that conquered it. That talking point is something theyre more than happy to share, just on the other side of your argument lol.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

For the record, they are full of shit

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Nileghi@reddit

cute, doesnt change a single thing I said, or why your methods are going to fail because if you lock the Israelis is a kill or be killed scenario, what on earth do you think will happen?

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

They'll obviously have to start shooting toddlers in the head. They'll be forced to rape men to death with electrified batons.

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Nileghi@reddit

theyve not shot a single toddler in the head. I dont know why you feel the need to make shit up like that

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w172zspq9jpt5pv

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Nileghi@reddit

yea none of theses are toddlers, nor is there any proof associated anywhere in there.

You know for the single most documented genocide, all I'm asking is a single photo or picture of a soldier shooting a toddler in the head instead of the BBC arabic branch pushing a report to the main one saying that it happened.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

Do you sleep well at night?

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Nileghi@reddit

very. I dont support an arab ethnostate that wants to exterminate an entire middle eastern minority.

How do you live with yourself otherwise?

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cjelp738zd7o

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-65917357

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab

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Azurmuth@reddit

Who is supposed to be a POW here?

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meister2983@reddit

None of the detainees are POWs. A POW would be something like a PLO militant directed by Abbas and co, but those aren't things anymore.

And not really sure what you mean by "whine". Israel might whine, but it mostly handles the counter-factual by blowing up the perps.

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Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

this logic doesn't really work when the only reason there is a single Jew living in Israel is because of a lack of ability on the part of the other side to murder everyone. being more hardline has consistently shown in practice to improve security. or at least, this is the assumption literally everyone is operating under.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

It doesn't seem very secure right now. I think it's been a mistaken assumption. The whole 'we have to be a mad dog' strategy will be seen eventually as having been very myopic

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Nileghi@reddit

It doesn't seem very secure right now.

uh, yea it is? The arabs and Iran are actively attempting their annihilation and failing. Thats the stupidest argument one can make.

99.7% of jews in the middle east are gone. The arabs wipe out their minorities with DNA level precision. Theyve never managed to wipe out Israel, so its actually quite secure as an institution.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

They are losing. Your figures are hopeful though

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Nileghi@reddit

How is Israel losing? The realm of public opinion sucks for them sure, but like...Every single one of their adversaries has been dismantled.

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Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

idk. maybe we are too cynical of a people, but I really can't imagine any other interpretation of events. they say "death to Israel," they all celebrate events that serve literally 0 purpose other than to murder Jews (polling shows pretty much everyone in West Bank + Gaza thinks 10/7 was good, despite the fact that it was just a massacre that did nothing to improve the life of any Palestinian), and every social media site is just full of everyone being blatantly sadistic towards Jewish people. I genuinely do not understand how anyone disagrees with this assumption.

As to Israel's strategy of being more aggressive, I agree it may backfire in the future, but "we might murder you later if you don't let us murder you now" is not the most compelling argument. In the meantime, it has worked decently. Terrorism against Israelis from Palestinians in the West Bank has dramatically decreased, for example.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

We'll see how it plays out.

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Idsuab@reddit

They clearly think that the shoe will never end up on the other foot for them.

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swelboy@reddit

Or maybe neither side should be executing prisoners with impunity?

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

This suggests both sides are doing this. Which is objectively wrong.

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swelboy@reddit

What that both sides execute their prisoners regularly? Not to mention all the torture either

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

If you were to spend a small amount of time genuinely looking at this you would see the very obvious reality. Anyone who is supporting Israel is either very ignorant, or a bad person. And ignorance isn't necessarily a defence, you can be a bad person by actively choosing to ignore the reality. You may be just a bad person.

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cefriano@reddit

Based on all the Twitter posts about Iran using cluster munitions, you can be sure that it won’t stop them from whinging anyway.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

Yeah, a missile splitting into multiple parts to evade the how apparently non existent defense missiles is not what is meant by cluster munitions, which leave unexploded ordinance effecting civilians long after the battle.

Every accusation is a confession https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/03/27/iran-us-land-mines/

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Norkmani@reddit

I have people reply to my comments here letting me know “no way is Israel an apartheid state because Israeli Arabs live here with rights, dude. They love Israel!”

I’m an “Israeli-Arab” living in the West Bank. This is systemic apartheid, not only Palestinians but on “Israeli-Arabs” too and I’ll explain how:

This law is the perfect example of how "equal rights" on paper works in reality. The Knesset designed this death penalty law with two completely different tracks:

*The Military Track (West Bank): In these courts, the death penalty is now the mandatory primary sentence. There is no requirement for a unanimous judicial decision—a simple majority can send a prisoner to the gallows. (The judges, prosecutors and clerks are all in IDF uniform, btw)

*The Civilian Track (Inside Israel): Here, the death penalty is optional. Judges still have the discretion to give life imprisonment instead.

Some may think: “But you're a citizen, you'd go to the civilian court!" That is not true. While there was a 1980s directive to try citizens in civilian courts, that "shield" has historically only applied to Jewish settlers. Israeli Arab citizens have been, and continue to be, hauled into military courts for security offenses committed in the West Bank.

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Kind-Ad-6099@reddit

The vast majority of Palestinians in the West Bank, and nearly all of those who would be tried in the incredibly unfair military court, are not citizens of Israel though? I in no way want to defend the law or the terrible treatment that Palestinians face, but when people refer to Arab-Israelis, I’m pretty sure they’re referring to those who are actually Israeli citizens.

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Flaksim@reddit

He just explained in his post that they too end up in military courts, because they are arab.

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meister2983@reddit

He provided zero sourcing and falls to even note what part of the West Bank he is in

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Flaksim@reddit

Could be, I just answered the question Kind-Ad-6099 seemed to pose. I also doubt people with an Israeli passport are sent to military courts, plenty of other atrocities and apartheid practices you can condemn the state of israel for, but that one does indeed seem to be unfounded.

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Norkmani@reddit

As of April 2026, 24 Israeli citizens and permanent residents (mostly from East Jerusalem and the Triangle) are currently held in administrative detention—detention without charge or trial. They are held under the Emergency Powers (Detentions) Law of 1979. Source

Also, here are some cases of Israeli passport holders being sent to military court:

Muhammad Raghadat v. The Military Prosecution (AA 1121/11, January 31, 2011).

Omar Alkam v. The Military Prosecutor (AA 3166/06, September 15, 2006).

Alaa Abu Hanieh v. The Military Prosecution (AA 2120/08, April 2, 2008).

Anan Naghib v. The Military Prosecutor (AA 2197/05, July 24, 2005).

Walid Moussa v. The Military Prosecution (AA 1675/11, June 5, 2011).

Mehamd Aljawad v. The Military Prosecution (AA 4662/07, December 2, 2007).

Agbaria v. Attorney General of Israel et al. (HCJ 3634/10, December 9, 2010).

One Rule, Two Legal Systems: Israel's Regime of Laws in the West Bank

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Nileghi@reddit

and its a lie, not even BTselem claims they do.

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meister2983@reddit

How are you an Israeli Arab living in the West Bank? It's illegal for you to even enter Area A. Are you in a settlement or something?

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Norkmani@reddit

Are you German? I am breaking the law. The IDF doesn’t care if you’re not Jewish. There are no settlements in Area A.

You clearly didn’t look very hard:

Muhammad Raghadat v. The Military Prosecution (AA 1121/11, January 31, 2011).

Omar Alkam v. The Military Prosecutor (AA 3166/06, September 15, 2006).

Alaa Abu Hanieh v. The Military Prosecution (AA 2120/08, April 2, 2008).

Anan Naghib v. The Military Prosecutor (AA 2197/05, July 24, 2005).

Walid Moussa v. The Military Prosecution (AA 1675/11, June 5, 2011).

Mehamd Aljawad v. The Military Prosecution (AA 4662/07, December 2, 2007).

Agbaria v. Attorney General of Israel et al. (HCJ 3634/10, December 9, 2010).

One Rule, Two Legal Systems: Israel's Regime of Laws in the West Bank

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meister2983@reddit

Thanks for the citation. I wish the report went more into the cases, but my read is what's going on is:

No Jews in the West Bank live outside settlements (I'll get to outposts later)
There's many Israeli Arabs (such as yourself) that are living in areas not under Israeli civil control, in fact potentially even PA civil control (Area A and B). It is extremely rare for Israeli Jews to be in such places (in fact strictly illegal in the case of Area A).
Consequently, any "majority of connections" criteria used by the military will only apply to Arabs, because virtually no Jews will have their majority of connections to West Bank Palestinian areas (that is under PA control).
Outposts initially do read like selective enforcement since technically Israeli law doesn't apply to them.
The whole thing is a gray zone since I'm guessing many if not most of the Arabs tried were in fact illegally residing in Area A.

I am breaking the law. The IDF doesn’t care if you’re not Jewish.

Interesting question -- what would be your opinion if Israel systemically made things more equal, but it went both ways? So discriminatory land allocation/whatever is fixed up, but at the same time it also even-handedly bars Arabs from Area A and conscripts them?

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Norkmani@reddit

Thanks for giving the report a look. I’ve never talked to anyone on here who understands “majority of connections”.

Outposts seem to be a headache for Israel on the international level but the IDF soldiers currently operating in the WB seem to be sloppy/radical. I’ll add an article to give some context below.

Israeli military suspends battalion involved in assaulting, detaining CNN crew in West Bank

As for your last question: honestly, I don’t know. I have Palestinian family in Area A. I have half-Jewish siblings with their Israeli-Jewish mother living in Area A. Just a shitshow all around.

We’d rather just be left alone to freely travel in this godforsaken land we all call home.

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit

All "Israeli" Arabs i met really hate the term "Israeli Arab" because it's erases their Palestinian in favor of "Israeli identity" which's colonial identity. And of course they treated badly, many of them were assaulted in Palestine by invaders and they are economically at mass did vantage compared to their zionist invaders.

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Azurmuth@reddit

Strange, considering polls show only 7% prefer the term Palestinian, while 74% prefer Israeli or Arab-Israeli. https://jppi.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2020-Index-English.pdf

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FudgeAtron@reddit

People seem to forget that not all Arabs in Israel are Palestinians. A lot of Bedouin don't identify as Palestinians neither do many Druze, but they both consider themselves to be Arab.

There's also Circassians who sometimes consider themselves to be Arabs and also a small Lebanese minority who aren't Palestinian.

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Majestic-Effort-541@reddit

If the law changes depending on who you are it isn’t law

When Israelis and Palestinians are judged by different standards for the same act

No amount of “democracy” rhetoric can cover a system which is Apartheid in nature

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Nileghi@reddit

Why are Israelis and Palestinians are judged by different standards for the same act

Why can't a pakistani vote in the indian election? Theyre both voters?

Its almost like a state treats its citizens differently than foreigners.

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ohididntseeuthere@reddit

..what? Are you implying that the israeli or the Palestinians are outsiders?

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Nileghi@reddit

Israelis are outsiders to the Palestinian political system.

Palestinians are outsiders to the Israeli political system.

Thats why Israelis vote in Israeli elections, while Palestinians are ruled by a dictatoriat that refuses elections.

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PathfinderZ1@reddit

You're doing some serious overtime in this thread, hope you're at least getting paid well, dude.

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Nileghi@reddit

"every one of my political enemies are getting paid"

hope that qatari check doesnt bounce bro

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PathfinderZ1@reddit

"every one of my political enemies are getting paid"

I mean, who would be so soulless as to justify genocide? You have to be getting something, no?

hope that qatari check doesnt bounce bro

I'd love to be getting paid to call out genocide, do good AND get paid?

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Nileghi@reddit

I mean, who would be so soulless as to justify genocide? You have to be getting something, no?

Well considering its not a genocide, I'm thankfully in the clear.

I mean really, 2.5 years into this, Gaza is razed to the ground, but almost every single palestinian is still alive at the end of it? Its clear that its a war that the palestinians are just very very mad theyre losing despite happily starting one.

My conscience is quite clear. Is yours? Your position is one of the complete annihilation of a tiny minority state in favour of yet another arab imperialist ethnostate.

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PathfinderZ1@reddit

Well considering its not a genocide, I'm thankfully in the clear.

Thankfully sane people look to exports, not to random people on the internet..

I mean really, 2.5 years into this, Gaza is razed to the ground, but almost every single palestinian is still alive at the end of it? Its clear that its a war that the palestinians are just very very mad theyre losing despite happily starting one. I dont think Hamas deserves a state, and its clear the Palestinians absolutely adore Hamas more than anything else in the world.

I see we've reached the mask off moment, don't really care to comment as I don't debate fascists (or idiots).

My conscience is quite clear. Is yours? Your position is one of the complete annihilation of a tiny minority indigenous jewish state in favour of yet another 99% arab muslim ethnostate that will treat the jews as a hated minority at best in the single best case scenario, almost certainly ethnically cleanse them all to the last person in the most probable one, and violently slaughter/actually genocide the entire jewish population in the worst case scenario. Since you're quite fine with all theses options, I'm fine being considered soulless by one as despisable as you in that case.

You are the quintessential westerner bigot. I would actually reply to you if you'd shown any signs of intelligence, but you don't. Have a wonderful day. :)

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Majestic-Effort-541@reddit

SLOWLY READ YOUR IDIOTIC COMMENT AGAIN AND SEE THE IDIOCY IN IT

Foreigner vs citizen is not TWO TIER JUDICIARY

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Nileghi@reddit

Foreigner vs citizen is not TWO TIER JUDICIARY

If the law changes depending on who you are it isn’t law

Why can't pakistanis vote in your indian election?

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Majestic-Effort-541@reddit

Your analogy works only if Pakistanis were stateless people living under Indian military rule for six decades with no right to vote

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Nileghi@reddit

well theyre not stateless given your country recognized them as a state.

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Majestic-Effort-541@reddit

West bank?

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Gubbinso@reddit

Considering that it's an occupied territory, they are responsible for the welfare, stability and security of it. Passing a law that allows them to off anyone they wish to doesn't achieve any of that.

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Nileghi@reddit

So theyre allowed to administer a different system as well if theyre responsible for governing it? You cant have it both ways.

Palestine is an enemy state of Israel. Its being treated like the enemy it is.

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Gubbinso@reddit

You have no idea what you're talking about. Is Israel at war with the West Bank? Do they even recognize the state of Palestine? Even if they are at war with a state, there are laws they have to adhere to since they're a member of the UN. Being enemies doesn't suddenly give you the power to inflict collective punishment on its population.

Israel have done nothing to provide welfare, security or stability for the people in the West Bank or Gaza. They arbitrarily arrest them, arm and support settler terrorists, kill children over the most mundane reasons, rape, torture and murder civilians and detainees.

I suggest you read up on International Humanitarian Law before you continue this conversation. Here's a good start: https://www.onlinelibrary.iihl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/ohchr_syria_-belligerent_occupation-_legal_note_en.pdf

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Mast3rCylinder@reddit

The law doesn't say anything about Palestinians. They just more qualified because of terrorist actions

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Majestic-Effort-541@reddit

Can a Jewish citizen convicted of terrorism ever face the death penalty—or is capital punishment deliberately reserved for Palestinians alone???

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Mast3rCylinder@reddit

Yes he can and there was death penalty before just no one enforced it and probably even with the current law but we'll have to see.

The headlines are not correct as always.

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Majestic-Effort-541@reddit

Yes he can

Can or will be ???

Till now, there is no law that punishes Israeli Jewish citizens with the death penalty. Is there any law that does that?

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seiryuu-abi@reddit

They are not equal citizens in the eyes of Israeli law and they have never been considered as such. Idk who is even believing this shit at this point lol.

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Private_HughMan@reddit

So are they still pretending they're not an apartheid state? Or are they finished with that charade? I'm having trouble keeping track of just how little they're masking their evil this week.

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

is america an apartheid because mexicans need to cross checkpoints to enter?

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Private_HughMan@reddit

If you're not going to engage with reality then don't bother engaging with me.

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

Aren't you sick of American apartheid on Canadians?

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WillListenToStories@reddit

This is incredible. I wish everyone could see this just to really hammer home how desperate and insane the Israeli propaganda is these days.

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Nileghi@reddit

He gave you an actual counterargument, that theyre two different states with different legal systems.

Palestinians are treated differently under palestinian law than syrians are under palestinian law. Is Palestine an apartheid state?

Its literally the whole crux of the argument.

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Cheestake@reddit

The US aknowledges Canada as a state, both de jure and de facto. It does not try to deny the existence of a Canadian state, it is not occupying Canada, and it doesn’t send settlers to Canada to terrorize the population with military support. Its one of the most braindead “counterarguments” I’ve seen, even for Hasbara

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Nileghi@reddit

The US aknowledges Canada as a state, both de jure and de facto.

Neither Israel nor Palestine acknowledge each others existance. That doesnt matter, de facto theyre seperate states with seperate political systems.

it doesn’t send settlers to Canada to terrorize the population with military support.

Palestines sole political position to resolve the conflict is to literally flood Israel with millions of enemy arabs. So, yes its absolutely trying to do just that.

You provided no substance as to why this claim sucks, you're literally just repeating buzzwords. De facto and de jure, Israel and Palestine are different entities, and act differently.

I'm sure you're going to insist that Israelis be allowed to vote in palestinian municipal elections as well right?

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WillListenToStories@reddit

Lol what? Describing the America-Canada border as apartheid is not a reasonable argument.

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Nileghi@reddit

Describing the America-Canada border as apartheid is not a reasonable argument.

It is by the very definition you proposed. Americans cant vote in Canadian elections. Is the Canadian law unfair to Americans? Yes by design it is. Its discriminatory against them on voting rights.

Israeli civilian law does not apply to Palestinians. Palestinian civil law does not apply to Israelis.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Americans aren’t ruled by Canadians. Canada doesn’t decide to set up checkpoints between US towns and cities.

West Bank Palestinians are ruled by Israelis. Israelis decide when they travel, when they can’t, where they are and are not allowed to live etc. israel sets up checkpoints between Palestinian cities and towns. Israel passes laws that apply only to West Bank Palestinians and not Israelis living in the West Bank.

Classic apartheid.

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Nileghi@reddit

Americans aren’t ruled by Canadians. Canada doesn’t decide to set up checkpoints between US towns and cities.

Why can't Afghans or occupied Germany or occupied Japan vote in the American elections? Literally apartheid

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

You really are just spouting rubbish.

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WillListenToStories@reddit

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't propose any definition. I've only mocked his ridiculous comment.

And he blocked me, so I don't really care to carry out an argument that I can only see half of, you're welcome to keep yammering on with your pro-genocide talking points if that's what makes you happy though.

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

it's Israeli propoganda to acknowledge palestine is palestine and Israel is israel?

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WillListenToStories@reddit

Why are you trying so hard? We all know who you are and what you stand for. Just be honest about it at the very least.

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

only Canadians and Americans are priveleged enough to ignore their homes where they've had statehood for nearly 400 years and expect the same from everywhere else "be damned how long you have been around, better have the same understanding and know-how as us"

do you say these things to Eritreans who have had a state only since 1993? do you expect them to have their politics at the same level of "fleshed out" as the UK, US, Canada, France, etc in the time since 1993 and now? Why is this expectation only put on Israel, do you think the middle east is too stupid you have to tell them how and when and to what degree things should be done from the privelege of your nearly 300 year old home state away from any form of war or strife?

did you write your comment from an encampment at Queen's U again?

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ScaryShadowx@reddit

Is America occupying Canada and annexing its territory?

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

yes Alaska

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Private_HughMan@reddit

Literally has never been Canadian.

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

what do you mean it's literally Canada. Are you excusing colonisers behavior?

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

I wouldn't like to suggest that you haven't got a fucking clue about anything, but the US bought Alaska from Russia, just so you know

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

no that's fake news i feel like what I said sounds better. /s because I know you tankies are a little slow when getting mocked. And tomorrow

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RansomXenom@reddit

Take your meds.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

Do you need a lie down?

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Icy_Ad_8802@reddit

I think you just broke that Mossad agent.

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

yes let me sleep in one of your Blue shirts

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

Ah yes, the blueshirts, the group roundly rejected by the Irish people. You would be well suited to one.

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ZuluIsNumberOne@reddit

so rejected they changed names and became what is now the current Irish government 😂

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Private_HughMan@reddit

Your parents were never happy on parent-teacher nights, were they?

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BlessedStorm77@reddit

Probably not, which is why he's on reddit everyday defending Israel. Hasbara was the only job willing to take him.

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Newbarbarian13@reddit

Oh do piss off with your false equivalence

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roydez@reddit

Only Palestinians qualify for the mandatory death penalty btw. Settlers are exempt.

Not apartheid though because Palestinians aren't citizens says hasbara.

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overpriced-taco@reddit

bUt mUh ArAb CiTiZeNs Of IsRAeL!!

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718Brooklyn@reddit

This isn’t going to pass the Supreme Court. For what it’s worth.

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RansomXenom@reddit

And when it does, the talking points will inevitably shift to "it passed, and it's absolutely justified".

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718Brooklyn@reddit

No.

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overpriced-taco@reddit

Israel's supreme court is not some bastion of justice. It is an institution that rubber stamps apartheid and genocide, nothing more.

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voidox@reddit

yup, speaking on apartheid, just look at how the Supreme Court acts whenever and whenever Israel's apartheid setup is challenged, such as in 2013 where some Israelis petitioned the Supreme Court to recognize an Israeli nationality that does not discriminate based on ethnicity, the Supreme Court rejected such an idea on the grounds that it would “undermine Israel’s Jewishness“.

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718Brooklyn@reddit

Would you like to wager whether or not this passes?

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

lol. Obviously another pro-Israel lie.

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roydez@reddit

They aren't even equal citizens there are laws like "Admission Committee Law" that were specifically passed to bar them from living from certain towns.

"After the law was introduced before the Knesset, one of its original sponsors, David Rotem of the far-right nationalist Yisrael Beiteinu (Israel Our Home) party, stated that the law’s purpose was to allow for towns to be “established by people who want to live with other Jews”[3"

https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/494

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Norkmani@reddit

More importantly,

Israeli Arabs continue to be tried in military courts in the WB for security offenses while Israeli Jews are sent to civilian courts within the state. In fact, not a single Israeli Jew has faced a military court since the 80s.

This law is mandatory death sentence in military court but allows for life sentence in civilian courts.

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sight_ful@reddit

That's not true. Do you mean they haven't been convicted? They definitely have "faced" a military court. That's what just happened with the abuse allegations, however, they were let go I believe.

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Norkmani@reddit

I clearly outline “In the West Bank”.

Not a single Israeli Jew has faced a military court for security offenses in the WB. Not even convicted, just a trial.

according to B'Tselem and human rights legal records: “Since the early 1980s, there are no recorded cases of Israeli Jews being tried in military courts for offenses committed in the West Bank.”

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sight_ful@reddit

I see. They would definitely argue that they are not Israelis. That's the whole point of why they haven't annexed that area.

Mind you, I think it's obvious israel controls all aspects of that area, so it's argued in bad faith.

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capt_fantastic@reddit

yigal amir assassinated israeli prime minister yitzhak rabin back in 1995. yet, he's still alive.

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sight_ful@reddit

I know...

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Norkmani@reddit

They have absolute control.

The only reason the West Bank hasn’t been fully annexed is the population. Israel does not want to offer citizenship to Palestinians. They’d rather choke all life out of the civilian population so they choose to leave on their own.

I pass by checkpoints daily that have graffiti in Arabic with the words: لا مستقبل translating to: No Future.

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sight_ful@reddit

That's what I just said.

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Norkmani@reddit

Just expanding on your point. Have a good day

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roydez@reddit

"Israeli Arabs" don't deny being Palestinian most of them identify as Palestinian.

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Norkmani@reddit

Correct. I am a Palestinian with an Israeli passport. I think you’re confusing what I’m saying.

Israel officially says; you’re Israeli. The Hasbara bots use our existence as proof to apartheid accusations. In reality, we are treated no differently to Palestinians because Israel is an apartheid state. It doesn’t give a shit about anyone that is not the “correct race”.

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sergiotheleone@reddit

Seconded. 3 years looking for a junior position post graduation. Best uni in Israel, great grades, zero interviews because I don’t have “IDF service” on my CV. I fucking hate this place

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RisingDeadMan0@reddit

you and the lass who runs the Taylor Swift fan page on twitter, good company.

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sergiotheleone@reddit

What?

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party_core_@reddit

The person they're referring to refused the mandatory iof service, and was jailed for it, iirc

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RisingDeadMan0@reddit

he took that poorly, she's a pretty famous example, as she had to take a break from running the page, then came abck and said she was away because she was in jail and had refused to serve in the IDF...

might have hit a nerve... my bad

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sergiotheleone@reddit

Sorry I’m going through a lot, the comment wasn’t clear and I tried to look things up to no help. Again, I’m sorry.

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RisingDeadMan0@reddit

no problem. i can only imagine.

Elon, i think, deleted her twitter account too... it was a pretty big page

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sergiotheleone@reddit

Didn’t they turn out to be lying? So he’s accusing me of being a liar..?

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party_core_@reddit

I don't remember past the part I mentioned, and I suspect the person you replied to might not either - I think they were trying to be complementary to you, by comparing you favorably to some else they thought didn't have "idf service" on their cv

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sergiotheleone@reddit

X doubt. The specific phrasing (“you and him, good company.”) and a quick google shows he’s your standard zio brit accusing me of making shit up. So on top of living this nightmare every day, I have to deal with assholes calling me a liar. Chef’s kiss westerners🤌🏼

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sergiotheleone@reddit

Fucking imbeciles like you who keep excusing IL and everything they keep doing to arabs is what enables them. How is anything I mentioned above in the realm of impossibilities? Have you ever stepped foot in here? Do you know what it’s like being an Arab in this shit hole? Do you know that 4 years ago the POLICE publicly announced that arabs should STAY AT HOME AND NOT GET OUT for WEEKS because the jewish population was rioting wanting to lynch and murder us and the police can’t guarantee our safety?!! I’m not talking WEST BANK, I’m saying LOCAL 48’ ARAB ISRAELIS born and raised with citizenship who speak fluent hebrew better than your whore mother ever would.

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sergiotheleone@reddit

Think about the shit you’re accusing me of for a second. On the off chance that what I’m saying is true (it is, don’t need to doxx myself to make a random white dude from england happy), and the sons of bitch who your whore grandparents made sure run this country when they made the balfour declaration, how fucking heartless of a piece of trash human do you have to be to continue what your asshole british grandparents first started? Does your fucking cycle of monsters hating on people halfway across the world who haven’t don’t shit to you or your country before ever end?

I don’t need to deal with the shell of a human behind this comment. I fucking hope you’re a bot at least.

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voidox@reddit

yup, right in Israel's constitution or w.e it's called non-Jewish citizens are not treated equally:

Israel distinguishes between citizenship and nationality.

You can be a citizen of Israel but be a Druze national, or a Jewish national. Your nationality is determined by your ethnicity and it cannot be changed or challenged. Meaning an “Arab” Israeli citizen and a Jewish Israeli citizen, while both citizens, enjoy different rights and privileges determined by their “nationality”. Seeing how Israel is an ethnocracy it is not a mystery who this system privileges and who it discriminates against.

you brought up some of the maaaany discriminatory laws, here's a few more with the Law of Return and Absentees’ Property Law, so many examples of flagrant racism and discrimination in the Israeli legal system. These laws directly show Israel being an apartheid, it's right there for anyone to see.

https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index

you brought up the murder cases and neglect from government officials, there is also the fact that Arabs who live or work in Israel have a literal different type of ID than Jewish nationals, based on the colour system: https://www.mic.com/articles/89443/to-understand-what-life-is-really-like-in-israel-and-palestine-follow-this-chart

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBDYaL8XgAAlCWx?format=jpg&name=large

and that is an old image of how the system is set up, things have only gotten worse especially recently with new laws and such like: https://www.adalah.org/uploads/uploads/Discriminatory%20Laws%20Report%2024.11.25%20Final.pdf

Land is off-limits based on nationality with most land inside the green line is off limits to Palestinian citizens of Israel. A large percentage of land in Israel is under the control of the Jewish National Fund (JNF), which has a:

“specific mandate to develop land for and lease land only to Jews. Thus the 13 percent of land in Israel owned by the JNF is by definition off-limits to Palestinian Arab citizens, and when the ILA tenders leases for land owned by the JNF, it does so only to Jews—either Israeli citizens or Jews from the Diaspora. This arrangement makes the state directly complicit in overt discrimination against Arab citizens in land allocation and use..”.

it's just apartheid by definition.

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Pristine_Art7859@reddit

Applying to everyone would be best. Still it’s an improvement

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toms1313@reddit

Over what?

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Pristine_Art7859@reddit

Not having the death penalty

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toms1313@reddit

Why?

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Pristine_Art7859@reddit

Why not?

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toms1313@reddit

Nice argument

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Pristine_Art7859@reddit

You don't have a nice argument. Why would you oppose the death penalty for a murderer?

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toms1313@reddit

I don't have an argument, i had questions and you got too angy and annoyed to try to respond them

Why would you oppose the death penalty for a murderer?

Because it's an ethno apartheid genocidal state in charge of choosing who gets killed

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Pristine_Art7859@reddit

I wasn't angry until you said I don't have a good argument. I don't need a good argument for wanting to get rid of murderers! YOU need a good argument to not do that. And you don't have one.

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toms1313@reddit

If the world works so sinply in our head maybe you should keep it there, the real world isn't like that...

I don't need a good argument for wanting to get rid of murderers!

You do need one to establish and keep a death penalty law...

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Pristine_Art7859@reddit

You wouldn't punish an evildoer just because the law is impartial? Even though they deserve it? You're really messed up.

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toms1313@reddit

You think of people as evildoers and killing them as a punish?

You're 13 or truly there's no hope

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Pristine_Art7859@reddit

"convicted of lethal attacks"

So yes.

If I'm 13 you're 2

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toms1313@reddit

Oh, you're an actual child...

"convicted of lethal attacks"

In the kangaroo courts that Israel is famous for?

Would you be willing to be the executioner? You're pretty bloodthirsty

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Pristine_Art7859@reddit

"kangaroo courts" you're the child, child.

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kolitics@reddit

This is really unfair to the palestinians committing lethal attacks.

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

Have the Israelis been committing any lethal attacks that you're aware of?

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Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz@reddit

Are you saying that it's OK for the law to exempt Israelis who commit lethal attacks because there haven't been any lately?

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

No

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Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz@reddit

Then why are you saying it's OK for the law to exempt Israeli criminals?

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

I'm not

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sight_ful@reddit

Have you been living under a rock or was this dripping with sarcasm?

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

The latter

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TheIrishBread@reddit

The fact that you can't see how this will get widened out is scary. When half the Palestinian prison population in Israel is effectively held without a trial or even a charge you should be very fucking worried about what the next move will be.

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senegal98@reddit

They can see it, they just don't want to address the obvious.

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Entfly@reddit

Or people just don't feel sympathy for terrorists like you do

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senegal98@reddit

Terrorist.

This word has been abused so much it has lost any meaning.

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Entfly@reddit

No, you just don't think there's anything wrong with kidnapping, raping, torturing and murdering people as long as the victims are Jewish, so you get very irate when people call your heroes terrorists

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Gubbinso@reddit

Replace Jewish with Palestinian and you have the average Israeli citizen's view on the "Palestinian problem". Even the prison rapists were lauded as heroes.

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pimmen89@reddit

It's really naive of you to think that they did carry out a lethal attack just because an Israeli military court says so, especially when the Palestinians have no right to appeal under this law either.

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Private_HughMan@reddit

Israelis kill far more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis, even when limited to civilian vs civilian violence. Settlers are terrorists.

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StrawberryGreat7463@reddit

Fuck dude stop embarrassing us

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NewAccountEachYear@reddit

Not much left to embarass -- the world just sigh, instead of snicker and mock

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NewAccountEachYear@reddit

And are convicted of such attacks in what jury?

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BattlebornCrow@reddit

Yes, the 5 year olds that throw rocks deserve the death penalty. I'm sure the stole state killing more people will make everyone safer

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

We all know that it will be used against all of them, not just the terrorists. It wouldn't be needed for the terrorists.

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PerforatedPie@reddit

Settlers don't even get tried, yet alone convicted and sentenced.

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Azurmuth@reddit

No, it doesn't apply to only Palestinians. It applies to "a person who intentionally causes the death of another with the aim of harming a citizen or resident of Israel, with the intent of rejecting the existence of the State of Israel"

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Mast3rCylinder@reddit

Well only Palestinians did suicide bombings and killed innocent people, families, babies, bushes, bombing hotels, bombing restaurants, shooting random people, raping in 7.10, kidnapping babies with their mothers as part of terrorist action.

The only one Jewish you can say it about is Baruch Marzel i guess and he died.

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toms1313@reddit

Well only Palestinians

killed innocent people, families, babies, bushes, bombing hotels, bombing restaurants, shooting random people, raping

Thanks for providing the IDF list of actions, no need to mention Palestinians

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steepleton@reddit

Asymmetrical justice

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Mobile_Ask2480@reddit

Apartheid if you will

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bellysavalis@reddit

It's not apartheid, it's just a completely different set of laws and judicial system to other people also living in the region. Are you dense?

/s

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DontPeeInTheWater@reddit

I will

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Dry-Season-522@reddit

Asymetrical war.

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Entfly@reddit

What country in history has ever treated its own citizens the same as foreign invaders?

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capt_fantastic@reddit

wait. who are the foreign invaders?

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bradicality@reddit

goose angrily chasing WHO ARE THE INVADERS

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Juice-De-Pomme@reddit

Are palestinians the invader in this shittake?

What the fuck are you even talking about lmfao

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RisingDeadMan0@reddit

lool, is that what its called when you live under occupation, and then get arrested/detained was looking for a shit take. thanks.

of the 9,600 palestinians in Irsrael rape torture dungeons, 4300 of them are being held with 0 charge, they havent even bothered to put them through their kagaroo courts.

and if i burn ur toddler with cigarettes and stop when you say what i tell you to say, what could i get you to say, i wonder?

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andthatswhyIdidit@reddit

Not apartheid though because Palestinians aren't citizens of Israel says hasbara.

I know you mean this sarcastically - but this was actually the plan and idea of apartheid: make all black South Africans inhabitants of Homelands and thereby stripping them of the South African nationality. so, yes, this is textbook apartheid...

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Entfly@reddit

South Africa and Palestine aren't equal, Palestine is a different nation to Israel, one which is a hostile foreign power

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effurshadowban@reddit

I'm not sure how you're misunderstanding this: the Bantustans were literally created to be separate nations from South Africa. You're making the same argument that South Africa made.

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Entfly@reddit

Because Palestinians aren't Israeli and have never been Israeli. It's not the same in the slightest

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effurshadowban@reddit

Because Palestinians aren't Israeli and have never been Israeli. It's not the same in the slightest

Except the "Israeli" Arabs. I guess if South Africa had just ALWAYS denied citizenship to Black South Africans then that would have solved everything! Distinctions without differences. 58 years of military occupation is perfectly fine. People can live long ass lives without having a part in the political process that governs their lives. At least Russia had the courtesy of annexing Crimea and other Ukrainian territory -- Israel just occupies the land and then uses international law to deny their ability to annex the land. They use international law to shield them from officially annexing the land, but then are willing to break international law in regards to settlements and permanently occupying the West Bank.

So please, shut the fuck up. Palestinians aren't Israeli, because Israel wants to keep a demographic Jewish majority. Israel has annexed the West Bank in every way but officially. It is apartheid in every sense of the word and what you (and people like you throughout history) need to learn is that atrocities are usually defended by finding loopholes in the legal frameworks. South Africa did by saying that apartheid is fine, since the Black South Africans aren't citizens. You're also saying Israeli apartheid is fine, because Palestinians aren't citizens AND were never citizens, thus saying that apartheid is fine as long as the victims were never citizens.

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lricharz@reddit

While this law is definitely meant to focus on non-citizens who have killed Israeli citizens, it also isn’t ’only’ Palestinians who can now receive the death penalty outside of charges like treason. And it isn’t retroactive.

Example if Yigal Amir was charged with terrorism he could have faced the death penalty if this law was in place.

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meister2983@reddit

No he couldn't as it requires the act be done in the name of anti-Zionism.

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DavidSwifty@reddit

So basically Israel will torture children to get a confession out of you then give you the death penalty. The very same people who are going on TV saying "no child is innocent" is now going to decide who gets the death penalty.

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mebeast227@reddit

Same people caught putting out cigarettes on a toddler less than a week ago

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit

The most anti-Social society ever

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RisingDeadMan0@reddit

well idk does gang rape count as a social activity? Or watching your army bomb and ethnically cleanse Gaza from a nearby hill? Or beat animal to death together, its pretty social...

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RisingDeadMan0@reddit

no need, half the palestinians in their rape torture dungeons are being held with no charge at all.

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RascalRandal@reddit

Israelis have been saying in so many threads about how this bill had no chance of passing. I wonder if they were surprised by this or it was gas lighting, much like the excuses for how the extremism in the government and country is isolated to a few loonies.

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RansomXenom@reddit

-/> "It's never gonna pass!" -/> "The supreme court will strike it down!" -/> "Okay, it passed, but it will be used fairly and won't be abused!" (YOU ARE HERE) -/> "Well, it's just a few isolated cases!" -/> "Palestinians deserve it! We need our living space!"

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overpriced-taco@reddit

Israelis have been saying in so many threads about how this bill had no chance of passing

Those are the same types of people who say everyone in Israel hates Smotrich and Ben-Gvir and thinks they are too extreme.

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yeltsin98@reddit

You know Israel is beyond human salvation when even its die-hard fans at worldnews have given up on defending it. And then there’s the smattering of Israelis up in arms over this not because of the apartheid or racism, but because being nationals of a state with the death penalty offends what they like to consider their progressive sensibilities (because a ‘fck bengvr’ t-shirt makes you a bona-fide leftist) and they know they wouldn’t make many friends in Berlin or Melbourne or Koh Samui if they supported this sort of thing. So isn’t that a win? They keep on digging their PR grave and there are a few at the top saying “Stop, you guys!!! We’re going to get in trouble!” and however little it is, it feels like the wheels of self-awareness have been set in motion, even if the wheels are like those of a supermarket trolley that keeps veering towards the right when you’re trying to go straight.

I guess the question is how many Palestinians have to die until the Israelis realise they’ve irreversibly buried themselves in their own self-destructive death spiral of racist hatred. Because, you know, we all know what happens when you annihilate entire genealogies and leave a few lone survivors who grow up one day, but the Israelis don’t seem to have made the same observation. “It’s the school textbooks,” they say. “It’s because they’re antisemitic from all the textbooks!!!”

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Occamsfacecloth@reddit

You know Israel is beyond human salvation when even its die-hard fans at worldnews have given up on defending it.

Hard to be at the desk in your hasbara offices when you're leaving for the bunker every few minutes

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

It was 100% gaslighting. Of course it was going to pass. It passed easily. This is the same pattern as things like the nation state law which enshrined the second class status of non-Jews in Israel. The proud but liberal defenders of Israel also assured everyone it would not pass then expressed support and claimed it wasn’t racist when it did.

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Nileghi@reddit

I wonder if they were surprised by this

I know a few who definitely are yes. Stop assigning malice.

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voidox@reddit

yup, though now they have moved to "the military said it won't enforce it and the supreme court will block it!" as if that means anything, the issue is that the law passed in the first place + said military is currently committing a genocide killing/torturing/abusing men, women, children on a daily basis, wtf are these ppl on about?

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elihu@reddit

I remember seeing a comment that this would surely be struck down by the Supreme Court if it passes. I guess now we'll get to find out if that actually comes to pass.

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Morgn_Ladimore@reddit (OP)

In case anyone was worried, don't be. European governments are already on it and have already put out a statement expressing their concern: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-on-israels-death-penalty-bill-29-march-2026

Israel better watch out, next the European countries might start sending mildly critical letters.

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Lower_Cockroach2432@reddit

I mean, Israel has finally pushed too far. Not with war crimes or ethnic cleansing or anything like that, but by fucking with the oil supply.

Europe has turned a blind eye to Israel because Israeli investments and keeping in the American sphere have been too profitable to perform concrete action. The Iran war and Hormuz closure changes that calculus completely; if it's more profitable to shun Israel to maintain access to Gulf oil I believe, eventually, they will.

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spacedoutmachinist@reddit

It’s the Chuck Schumer school of resistance

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

Is it Europe's responsibility? The US is pushing billions into Israel and secure the fascism there, so where is Europe's job here?

Still a shit law, no questions asked.

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BufferUnderpants@reddit

The trade deal the EU has with Israel has human rights clauses, just sayin'

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Yes, but Israel will just say they don’t consider non-Jews human so it’s all right…

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GianfrancoZoey@reddit

The EU placed extrajudicial sanctions on Hüseyin Doğru, a German journalist, making it so his bank accounts are frozen, he cannot travel, he cannot work, and it is a criminal offence for anyone to give him money or even food - all because he reported on Gaza and filmed pro-Palestinian protests in Berlin.

The entire evidence dossier used to justify this was a handful of tweets. He, his wife, and his three children (including two newborns) are now facing homelessness, surviving on a €506/month allowance that his bank has repeatedly blocked anyway.

Macron was begging Trump to attack Iran together. NATO's chief psycho Rutte has been singing their praises, and Friedrich Merz said that Israel was 'doing the dirty work for us' (by which he means killing those who don't submit to the Western empire).

This is the sort of political and legal protection that the EU has been giving to Israel. They are fully enthusiastic supporters of this madness. Germany has been one of the worst states for repressing their own people for speaking out. For you to feign ignorance even now is beyond belief.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

As I said. We currently have a conservative-right-extreme-right government in the EU, no wonder they act like they do.

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GianfrancoZoey@reddit

The sanctions mechanism used against Doğru was built under Social Democrats and Greens. The arms surge to Israel after October 7th happened under Scholz. The Greens abstained on the Bundestag vote that effectively criminalised solidarity with him. This isn’t a right-wing aberration this is the European establishment functioning exactly as intended.

Your attempts to abdicate all responsibility reveal a total ignorance of how and why the system works this way. The so called 'liberal' parties build these tools knowing the 'right' will use them in this way.

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glowinggoo@reddit

It's fairly fascinating watching Americans and Europeans trying to excuse away the realities of living in and benefiting from an Empire that rules with an iron fist. People do not really want to come to terms with their 'good and progressive' people still being a functional, ruthless part of the Empire and all that goes with it. No, it's always the fault of the Bad People, the Good People would never do such a thing!

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GianfrancoZoey@reddit

When you spend all of your life being told that the noble beacons of enlightenment your bright and shining civilization aspires to are the pinnacle of moral righteousness in this world, you're likely to be blind to what the light of the beacon is used to hide.

While I definitely get it, more and more I've grown to despise the masses of people who believe this. It's one thing if you're some 50 year old who gets their news entirely from (captured) establishment media but if you've been using the internet over the last 3ish years there is no escaping the kind of evil our institutions have been supporting. The people who still believe are either being wilfully ignorant to protect their own consciences, OR they support what they've been shown is happening so long as it's happening to the right people

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Moikanyoloko@reddit

So you think whatever your government does is not your country's responsibility because of what?

By this reasoning countries just never have any responsibilities whatsoever, we could just switch the government over here and the new one will have 0 debt. Truly incredible life hack.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

And I thought only AI would hallucinate.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Israel’s literally exists because of Europeans

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

Yes it does, but the US is heavily funding the fascist government currently, not Europe.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

The US funds everyone , we’re the worlds number one contributor of foreign aid

Germany is basically owned by Israel and black rock atp

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

Politically we are, yes.

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blackbartimus@reddit

VW just announced they’re returning to their roots and pivoting away from car production to provide fascist Israel with more interceptor missiles.

Europe and the US are both explicitly propping up the worst country in the world.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

Hmm - today "the worst country in the world" is a crown Israel shares with the US and with Russia.

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blackbartimus@reddit

Well yeah America is a spiraling global empire, modern & modern Russia is a reaction to the heavy hand of rapacious privatization in the 90’s forced on to them by the empire.

Israel is only an anomaly because the population size is small and they are extremely committed to the death drive of their culture. I don’t think many Americans or Russians have the same level of racial animosity as Israelis have towards Palestinians.

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Anti-genocide-club@reddit

The EU could boycott Israeli goods, stop providing diplomatic cover to Israel, commit to enforcing international law in the case of Israel.

The EU is Israel's biggest trading partner.

Their leverage is massive.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

It is, but obviously the current conservative-right-extreme right majority has no interest in doing so.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Europe , has a right wing majority ? 😂 since when ?

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

It's no rocket science: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europ%C3%A4isches_Parlament

Blue and everything to the right is politically right wing. In some countries, the yellow is "right", too.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

By “right wing” do you mean not supporting open border ?

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

Do you need help understanding "right wing"? How so, you only have right wing or fascist parties in your failed country.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

That’s why I asked 😂

“You only have right wing or fascist parties” god I wish 😪

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

You wish? Already a pedo fascist as maximo leader and you wish more? Last time idiots wished for something like this millions died.

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Longjumping-Jello459@reddit

Lol the US has NEVER had open borders.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Debatable

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Yea cause we’re not a right wing country

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Anti-genocide-club@reddit

We're never beating the allegations

https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2025/12/america-read-below-6th-grade-level/

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Directly correlates with Americas single motherhood rate

Name every genocide right now

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IsNotAnOstrich@reddit

Yes. Western leaders generally, the US and the EU, are sycophants for Israel.

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sonicboom9000@reddit

Europe provides Israel with political cover and weapons, during the war in gaza you were directly complicit.

Rest your conscience though nothing of consequence will happen to you.

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Reasonable-Ad4770@reddit

What war in Gaza ? What political cover? This is a word salad of accusations based on emotional knee jerk reaction. Wherever you may be from, unless Lebanon or Iran, you haven't done shit either, just to make clear.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

If you research a bit you'll notice that we have a democracy which acts for the people. This democracy usually has less than half of the voices of all. So: No. I am not and in no way responsible for any of this, I didn't vote for those sending weapons etc.

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alt-right-del@reddit

You have already used up your “inch habe es nicht gewusst” — Germany is a staunch supporter of Israel and it’s agenda to ethnically cleanse Palestinians; all local protest against the war are struck down to protect Israeli interest.

Israel is holding Germany hostage using the holocaust.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

Oh dear, of course, one of the nut jobs using this kind of argument in 2026. We know exactly what happens.

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recreationalgluttony@reddit

History repeats itself?

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Invinciblez_Gunner@reddit

So youre saying the majority of Europeans support Genocide

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

I just said the exact opposite. A government in a democracy usually has less than half of the voices of all citizens. A majority of all given voices - which usually are about 50-60% of all voices. So 30-35% of all citizens have voted for the governments - and you can bet your ass that the amount of people supporting genocide is less than 5%.

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Oppopity@reddit

It doesn't seem like a functional democracy when 95% of the people are against genocide and the government does it anyway.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

This is how democracies work. You vote for things that are important to your life directly. Like taxes, jobs and maybe future. More or less nontransparent sales of military equipment has an extremely small part of the decision where you put your cross for most of the voters. That's how the world is run.

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Oppopity@reddit

Then maybe that should be the way democracies work. If you can vote for some basic shit that affects you personally but the pedo billionaire class is still free to do genocide then that's not a good system.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

The US has no working democracy, you can't push the mistakes of this rotten country on all democracies.

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Oppopity@reddit

What about Germany who is the second biggest supplier of arms to Israel? Or any other European country that isn't Ireland or Spain?

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sonicboom9000@reddit

You asked "is it Europes responsibility", my response is yes

I'm not implying some rando german on reddit is directly responsible

And you wonder why they have to warn people not to eat toothpaste.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

There isn't even a warning on toothpaste in Europe, you are thinking US. You know shit about Europe, about the responsibilities there and about the -wanted- impossibilities of single states to change a lot of what happens there, do you?

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pimmen89@reddit

The EU is Israel's largest trading partner, since we're so big and close to them geographically. Israel constitutes less than 0.6% of our trade, but we make up 32% of their trade. Trade is 54% of their GDP.

If we sanction them it'll hurt, badly. If they can't use our ports for further export it would hurt them even more, because our ports can handle much bigger ships than theirs.

If the EU would ever grown a spine and treat them like we treated South Africa we would find out just how much the average Israeli really is willing to sacrifice just to treat Palestinians as sub-human.

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SirLadthe1st@reddit

Come on, EU countries have been selling Israel weapons, multiple prominent figures have been loudly announcing their support for Israel, and the same politicians who demanded Putin to be judged in front of the ICC announced they will ignore ICC's arrest warrant for Netanyahu. And that is just during "this" war, with people's opinions on Israel turning growingly negative to the point where the opposition to Israel's crime can no longer be ignored. For the 70+ years before that Israel basically had a free pass from the EU to do whatever it wanted and any criticism was quickly shot down as "antisemitism". Don't act like we have no responsibility in allowing Israel to become what it became.

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fcukou@reddit

Remind me which country has been representing Israel in its ICC case?

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champagneface@reddit

Could stop selling them weapons for one. Sanctions, anything at all.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

With these European politicians? Too conservative/right for this.

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champagneface@reddit

Well I mean this is why the commenter was sarcastically referring to the mildly critical letters. We all know European leaders won’t do anything. You asked

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

... and still the US pushes billions into the country. Again and again and again.

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champagneface@reddit

Yes, the US is most culpable outside Israel. Doesn’t mean European leaders couldn’t alleviate the situation if they weren’t cool with it

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

There is just 1 single thing conservative politicians really shine in: Sit and wait.

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tony1449@reddit

Europe is both Working with, supplying, buying and funding the weapons used in Gaza

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KronusTempus@reddit

If any other country made a law that systematizes executions via the death penalty specifically targeted at a group of people you are actively oppressing and attempting to ethnically cleanse, that country would be drowned by sanctions.

Not Israel though. Or anti-commie governments in the Cold War. Those get a pass apparently.

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Deepfire_DM@reddit

I've lost the belief in a fair world conscience a long time ago. I just can keep and fight for my own.

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ivosaurus@reddit

You had me in the first half

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Stubbs94@reddit

I really hope they go all out and sanction Iran, Cuba and Yemen more because of this. That will teach Israel.

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pingpongpiggie@reddit

Especially Lebanon; Lebanon is so antisemetic Israel's had to extend their buffer zone into their lands.

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Stubbs94@reddit

It's so sad Israel is forced to occupy all these regions. It feels like they are just needing to occupy a greater territory constantly. Like some Greater Israel or something.

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pingpongpiggie@reddit

Unless you talk about greater Israel in Hebrew to Likud party members you're clearly being antisemetic.

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Xper10@reddit

The reason lsraeI, that cares about its image, passed this law now is because they've already tortured many Palestinians to death.

It is known that they've kiIIed over 100 in prisons, including a surgeon, Adnan Al Bursh, who was allegedly raped as well, and a 17y.o. child, Ahmad Walid, who was starved to death.

They can't come out and say we kiIIed so-and-so many and refuse to hand over the bodies, so they introduced this death sentence to justify these killings retroactively.

So they will refuse to hand over the bodies of the Palestinian they tortured to death, say they were terrorists, and claim they've executed them after this law was passed.

TL;DR They can't admit to the number of dead in the prisons and then refuse to prosecute the perpetrators and maintain a façade of law. They will claim these executions retroactively. This is the reason they passed this law, however damaging for their image, now.

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Crossy_V@reddit

I think you expect too much of the European governments ):

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turbohuk@reddit

german letter would be: hey guys... is this legal? oooh you have that resolution. carry on. we love genocide.

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SillyAlternative420@reddit

Better than the US's response, we will just punish them with more of our tax dollars.

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Ill_Chicken550@reddit

Donald Trump will write netanyahu and strongly worded check after hearing about this.

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EvilWarBW@reddit

Drowning them in riches 👍

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Magistar_Idrisi@reddit

Oh we'll send them our tax euros as well, don't you worry.

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kick_me88@reddit

Only way this could get more ironic is if it's execution by gas chamber... Sheesh!

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LoudTomatoes@reddit

How any country has a legal framework that allows laws to even be on the table that has the death penalty for only specific ethnic groups i dont have a fucking clue, but like when talking about the west bank, because its formally a military occupation and only a defacto annexation wouldn't they effectively be prisoners of war making their executions illegal under international law?

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Azurmuth@reddit

It's not against a specific ethnic group.

According to the wording of the bill, the new law's purpose is to "establish the death penalty for terrorists who carried out murderous terror attacks, as part of the fight against terrorism." It further states that "a person who intentionally causes the death of another with the aim of harming a citizen or resident of Israel, with the intent of rejecting the existence of the State of Israel

https://www.dw.com/en/israel-passes-controversial-death-penalty-law/a-76586475

And who is supposed to be a prisoner of war here?

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Gubbinso@reddit

As if this ethnostate considers international law when it's against anything they do. They're the first to bring it up any time it benefits them though. They truly believe they are allowed to do anything they please,

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kolitics@reddit

The law doesn't specify an ethnic group unless you consider "terrorists" an ethnic group.

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AlludedNuance@reddit

Wow they really, really love killing Palestinians, don't they?

They aren't satisfied with all of the ways they managed to do it regardless of local or international law, gotta add bullshit ways to legalize it as if they felt any guilt about it anyway.

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Icy_Ad_8802@reddit

Genocidal innovators.

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PartySr@reddit

The same country who will not punish their terrorists, their rapists, t heir pedophiles, will have the power to execute Palestinians as they see fit, and nobody will stop them

They send their terrorists to kill people in Gaza and West Bank. Just look at this stuff.

Israel has not prosecuted its citizens for killing Palestinian civilians in the occupied West Bank since the start of this decade, a Guardian analysis of legal data and public records show, creating impunity for a campaign of violence.

Source

Once again I ask.. Where all those Zionists who were yelling at us to show sympathy to the Israeli who were suffering from the war that they started.

Nazi country.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

To be fair, European governments have registered their very tepid opposition to this and will then increase trade, cultural and scientific ties with Israel just to show Israel that they are totally supine and didn’t mean a word of it.

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FriedRice2682@reddit

Surprised? I'm not.

Weren't Israelis soldiers caught executingsurrendering Palestinians? This is just a continuity of what was already taking place. They just rubber stamped it.

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Sufficient_Bite_4127@reddit

In Israel, the judicial system is much more liberal than the military and the rest of the country. There is a fair chance the Supreme Court will strike down this law. The last time someone was given the death penalty was 1962.

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RisingDeadMan0@reddit

assume its a separate judicial system like the UK then? Otherwise Netenyahu having been in power basically 30 years would have fucked it by now, and wouldnt have needed to be at war or be worried about his corruption case, unlike Trump who is basically immune after just 6 years in office...

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xland44@reddit

Netanyahu has been actively trying to fuck with it for the past few years, Israel was full of protests against judicial reforms prior to Oct. 7 which Hamas viewed as a weakness and as an opportunity to strike

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bellysavalis@reddit

Here's my prediction.. The Supreme Court will strike it down, Gvir and his ghouls then scream that the Supreme Court is pro-terrorist, further undermining it.

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MobileMenace420@reddit

If you’re a “terrorist” attacking Israel, now there is no reason not to kill as many people as possible whenever the attackers choose to do so. You aren’t coming out of it alive anyway. So strap a big bomb on when you’re meeting your virgins in the afterlife.

This is going to make for deadlier attacks.

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overpriced-taco@reddit

Israel is enacting its "final solution." Ben-Gvir, the man behind this law is an avowed racist and convicted terrorist. He is, by all accounts, a modern day Nazi. His words and actions are no different from those from 1940s Germany.

These are the actions of a dying colony. Israel knows they're on the way out.

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Klytus_Ra_Djaaran@reddit

The Israeli government denies all human rights to over 5 million Palestinians based on who their ancestors were. They are also denied due process and impartial courts, meaning there are almost zero legitimately convicted Palestinians in Israeli prisons or jails. Deciding to execute the Palestinians they are holding hostage based off the Israeli predetermined convictions in show trials is exactly what you would expect from any genocidal government.

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