Ford and GM Increase Destination Charges to $2,795 on Full-Size Trucks

Our new F150 Powerboost gets 24-25 MPG. These morons still think this is the early 2000s where trucks were getting 10. We have new luxury sedans as well from BMW, Mercedes, etc. and none of them match our Ford trucks. Our 7-series which has a TT V8 gets less mileage than our new F350 with the 6.7L diesel pushing 500hp/1,200ft-lb of torque.

I don’t know why modern trucks are scrutinized when they get decent mileage and run clean thanks to modern day emissions but cars which get 16 MPG aren’t and are mechanically totalled at 100,000 miles.

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DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit

I mean, my '25 does get 16, but I knew that going in lol

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cbf1232@reddit

"Decent mileage" is maybe relative...a new Sienna has decent cargo-hauling capability at 36 MPG, a new Camry gets 50 MPG, and a new Ioniq 6 N performance EV with 640HP gets around 80 MPGe.

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HiIary4Prison@reddit

I don’t think a Camry or a Sienna is going to survive the farm. Also, my Ford trucks blows all of them away in power, luxury, and features. Not to mention a strong resale. I paid $135k for my F450 a year ago and I have dealers offering to buy it off of me for $128k. Truck cost me $580 a month to own. No brainer for me.

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That_Brown_Man@reddit

If you use your truck for work as intended, you don't give a fuck about fuel costs.

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chiggenNuggs@reddit

If you use your truck for work, you should actually care MORE about your fuel cost even more than the average consumer. Obviously you can only do so much but the total cost of ownership/operation is a major factor for commercial buyers.

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MountainHarmonies@reddit

I sure as shit gave a fuck about fuel costs when I was pulling a trailer 80-100 miles a day...

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

Really? Doubt that.

Your employer does. And if you're self employed, do you get gas for free or something?

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wiscotangofoxtreat@reddit

Big IF

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Snoo93079@reddit

It's not 1986 anymore bud. Trucks are designed for normies now.

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SwiftCEO@reddit

What would irk me is that it’s the same price no matter where the dealership is located. I’m not buying a new truck so I don’t care.

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7eregrine@reddit

I live 20 minutes from where Ford builds trucks. Why can't I just get one from that factory?

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trixunlimited@reddit

Because you're cutting out the middle man

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Any_Sale2030@reddit

Literally car dealers are the number one contributors to state politicians. And states prohibit buying cars from factories. That’s why.

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DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit

My only experience with a dealership was nothing but profit-taking. I sent the dealer a PDF of the configurator, didn't negotiate anything, I live five hours away so there's no service there I would be interested in - they simply were a vessel for me to pick up a vehicle.

But as others say, the lobby is too strong.

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nondescriptzombie@reddit

In Tucson, Arizona, right next to the Tucson Mall, there is a small 2 square mile or so of "unincorporated county lands."

Why, that's where all of the auto dealers are. It's literally on "Auto Mall Drive." No city sales tax, in the dead center of one of the largest cities in the country.

It's a big club and you're not in it.

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Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit

Do they sell Tuscons there

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falcon0159@reddit

No, just Tellurides and Sedonas!

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ChirpyRaven@reddit

I mean, it's also that manufacturers have zero interest in dealing directly with customers unless they absolutely have to. Having a dealer network benefits them, too.

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phr3dly@reddit

Yep. I have no love for car dealers but, like, we also buy groceries from grocery stores. Nobody asks why they can't go to Kraft headquarters and buy their Mac and Cheese direct. I live next to a farm, but they don't want me wandering over and offering them a dollar for a tomato.

The monopoly aspect of car dealers is shitty, no doubt, and the result of regulatory capture.. But their existence makes sense.

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TheNorseHorseForce@reddit

You make a fantastic point.

I think the issue is that when I go buy Kraft Mac and Cheese from HEB, the grocery store is attaching a pretty small profit margin to the box, whereas a dealership is stacking everything imaginable (and even if they aren't, they do a terrible job of making it look exactly like they're doing so)

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falcon0159@reddit

I wouldn’t be too sure. I recently moved and my closest grocery store is a stop and shop. Not a bad place, but the prices swing wildly on a weekly basis based on their sales. Pint of ice cream? $6.99 normally. Except when it’s on sales for 4.99, or 3.49, I even bought some for 2.79 a few weeks ago! When its not on sale, I just don’t buy it.

It’s funny because I never used to look at prices in a grocery store, even when I was making 1/4 of what I make. Now, I feel like I need to or I’ll get ripped off, just like at a car dealership.

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phr3dly@reddit

Yeah, I mean I agree that there are definite differences. But make no mistake: grocery stores are trying to do the same thing.

My local grocery store, Fred Meyer, has a price on the shelf. Then they'll have a sale price. And often another dollar off if you buy 10 of the item. And then a different sale price if you use your membership card. And then of course a different price if you use the coupon they sent you in the mail. And then at the end of the transaction the price you got charged is often wrong, and you have to go to customer service to get a refund. And there are grocery stores that will sell that Mac and Cheese for more than $2. I can find Goodles Cheddy Mac in my area for everywhere between $2.50 and $4.

There are grocery stores that play games (Fred Meyer) and there are those that play fewer (in my region, Winco). Of course the same is true of dealers. MacMulkin sells their cars with no haggling at explicitly listed prices that reflect actual FMV. Meanwhile my local Chevy dealer in Portland is about as dishonest and deceptive as Fred Meyer.

All retailers are trying to tailor their pricing to what the consumer will bear rather than a fixed price. Now of course this is most egregious with a car transaction where the difference in price for a Subaru Forester paid by my mom and a savvy buyer might be $5000 or more. There is no doubt deception involved (though again see grocery store example above).

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Ok-Economist-9466@reddit

I live next to a farm, but they don't want me wandering over and offering them a dollar for a tomato.

Maybe true for corporate farming, but I live near Mennonites and they're quite happy to sell their neighbors fresh veggies in season, usually they'll have some little roadside shacks where you grab what you want and leave cash in the box on the honor system.

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Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit

Call me weird but do most smallish farms not sell direct to consumer for at least some products? Obviously not one tomato but if you wanted to buy a car's cost in tomatoes I'm sure they'd be willing to just sell you them directly.

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phr3dly@reddit

Sure, and there are plenty of small auto manufacturers that sell direct as well. But any company dealing in volume does not want to deal with end customers.

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7eregrine@reddit

But then there's Stouffers HQ. I live near there too. Can get food there. 🤣👍

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m1a2c2kali@reddit

if that was true there wouldn't have to be any laws prohibiting manufacturers from doing so and they wouldn't be in the courts with dealers to do so. While there are absolutely benefits to the dealership system for manufacturers "zero" interest is definitely going too far. Even ford has expressed interest in direct to consumer sales

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SimpleOkie@reddit

Eh, they arent really - 1) medical 2) energy, 3) contractors, 4) legal... car dealers tend to be district specific, but tend to just fold in with state wide business groups and try and avoid the radar (Huffines is a notable exception). In the handful of state legislatures Ive dealt with at least.

But still, ancient relics that abhor competetion.

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Suck_My_Thick@reddit

They're fighting Scout Motors with the help of politicians to prevent direct sales.

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vhalember@reddit

Yup. People don't understand that car dealerships are the local land barons of our times.

There are over 18,000 new car dealerships in the US - they're in every town of any notable size, and are by an absolute moonshot the number 1 contributor to local politics.

And then there are 26,000 used car dealerships - many of whom also donate and influence local politics.

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Hoooooooar@reddit

car dealer is like the firs step to becoming a state politician lol, half of the senators in this state own car dealerships.

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ShadowNick@reddit

Think of the dealerships and the low IQ sales person! Don't they deserve a cut of the pie!

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7eregrine@reddit

Of course but how about if I go to the dealership and pay for it and instead of paying that destination fee I'll just go pick it up over there literally 20 minutes away. Don't even need the detail or anything I don't mind at all., 😂

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m1a2c2kali@reddit

sure you can skip the destination fee, but now you gotta pay the factory experience fee

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7eregrine@reddit

🤣👍

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henchman171@reddit

Because there is a gate there. figuratively and literally. 😉

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billthejim@reddit

Customers pick airliners up at the factory and fly them home. Why not us!

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Salty-Dog-9398@reddit

They specifically average out the nationwide shipping cost so that no geography has a pricing advantage.

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Lit-fuse@reddit

Because dealers are the manufacturers’ customers, not the general public.

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7eregrine@reddit

I know the actual reason. $2795 seems a bit high to move a car 30 miles.

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nomoneypenny@reddit

The factory sells things to the middleman at a discounted rate specifically so that they don't have to deal with people like you (customers)

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TripleShotPls@reddit

... it is the same destination charge regardless of where the dealership is. Even if it's a block away from the factory.

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SledgexHammer@reddit

It is. I actually used that to negotiate 2k off my f150, because they showed me one from Kentucky before the one I bought from Michigan.

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Several-Eggplant4460@reddit

I just hate this whole "the price is not actually the price" bullshit. Just put the charge into the actual car or truck.

It's like a restaurant that charges a $1 sustainability fee, 10% employee health benefit charge, and a 10% market adjustment charge on your receipt.

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SalvageCorveteCont@reddit

Australian here: America seems to be terrible about that, from what I understand the price of goods on the shelves is not the price you will be charge at the register because tax.

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Pactae_1129@reddit

Yeah but it’s usually not difficult mental math to know how much you’re spending. Buying cars is a different story

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Several-Eggplant4460@reddit

I wouldn't be opposed to a broad law that says all prices should reflect out the door price, even tax.

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weggaan_weggaat@reddit

Yea, it's long past time for that.

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SledgexHammer@reddit

Yeah youre basically tipping your salesman but you dont know how much. Just standardize it amd itemize it and make it a norm, some people tip better than others.

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abravenoob@reddit

The whole point of the destination charge is to equalize the costs by using a national average, so people in Alaska and Hawaii don't have to pay $10k while people in Michigan pay $100.

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SwiftCEO@reddit

It sounds great in theory, but sucks for those in the continental US. I’ve transported my truck across the country for less than $2k and that was through a third-party. I’d imagine Ford has contracts that would make their cost much lower per vehicle.

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m0viestar@reddit

When you transport your truck dealer-door it's on the same truck. Destination fee includes everything from the parking lot at the factory to the dealer door. Which is usually 2-3 trucks and probably a train. It's not a 1-1 with what a consumer would pay to ship a vehicle.

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railbeast@reddit

There is no way this is actually true, consider dealers deliver from hubs to hubs and not to my doorstep and they deliver wholesale. Come on now.

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m0viestar@reddit

My F150 came from Kansas City and they drove it onto the train directly at the factory there, took a train to the Denver depot, then took a truck from the train depot to a holding depot where they did I'm assuming a partial port inspection, then from there to my dealer where it got a PDI and final inspection. All that cost is wrapped up into that delivery fee.

When I worked at Toyota it was the same way. Cars from Japan got a port inspection for damage and port installed options. Loaded on train, went to a holding depot near the final destination, where it got inspected then loaded on a truck to the dealer for final PDI The destination fee also covers damage occurred during transit and labor involved with the actual transit

When I bought my BMW from New Mexico, I paid Bubba to hook it to his truck and drop it off at my house. You can see how it's much simpler for a consumer than for a company.

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railbeast@reddit

OK, I understand that part... but... your car wasn't the only thing on the train/ship/truck so there is either efficiency to be had or it's in there and unaccounted for.

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m0viestar@reddit

That is why you average the cost of delivery out across the fleet. Tesla does literally the same thing and they are more "efficient" than dealers. It's really not a hard concept to understand.

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guisar@reddit

If their costs aren’t way, way less with their volume and clout they are incompetent.

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m0viestar@reddit

Their costs vary unit to unit. Even a car rolled off the line right after each other might be $300 more. Its much more efficient for them to just use an average cost. Its not just the transit costs, they average out the cost of production on the end/end production.

If they tracked cost of each vehicle and charged you appropriately you'd get the same make and model with a potentially huge price difference.

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Skensis@reddit

Why should some state subsidize ones where it's more expensive to delivery a car?

It would be like if we charged and extra fee for people in Texas on their mortgage to help out Californians.

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tlivingd@reddit

Or the opposite, charge them 50% more since their take home pay is 50% more than in a flyover state.

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t-poke@reddit

So then what's the point of breaking out the destination charge rather than just including it in the price of the car? Why not break out the electricity cost of running the factory, or employee payroll, and everything else?

Having destination as a separate charge only makes sense if it is going to be variable based on where the car is going.

Also, other things in Hawaii and Alaska are more expensive than the mainland due to transport costs, so I'm not sure why it should be different for cars. I'm not paying more for my groceries to subsidize the cost of transporting them to Prudhoe Bay.

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aprtur@reddit

It was a mandatory part of the 1958 Automobile Information Disclosure Act to break the charge out separately as a line item on the Monroney label, so that it couldn't artificially be inflated like ADM but masked as a transport fee. WSJ went into it a bit in this article. Also, the fee isn't negotiable - when you ask a dealer to negotiate that off, they're just cutting out some of the difference between invoice and MSRP (or even using some of their holdback) to make it appear like that's what they're discounting.

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dakta@reddit

Probably something about advertising MSRP in national ad campaigns... Except for the fact that most car ads are funded by dealerships and statewide dealership associations/networks.

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t-poke@reddit

Next time you see a fast food commercial advertising an item at a certain price, look at the bottom of the screen, you will almost certainly see a disclaimer that says "Prices higher in HI and AK" so doing the same thing for car commercials wouldn't be unheard of.

Granted, there's a difference between a $5 chicken sandwich and a $50,000 truck, but still...I feel like people in HI and AK are used to it and just know that advertised prices apply to the mainland and they're getting fucked.

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Recoil42@reddit

They should. Destination charges should be per-state, at the very least.

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RuinedGrave@reddit

Would probably harm the dealership network as well. Why buy the truck from the dealer in your city, when you could possibly go a couple hours away and save $1k off the destination charge alone? Makes for a patchy network for where owners are going to get their parts and repairs from.

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aprtur@reddit

In addition to that, you overload the dealers with lower costs and "starve" the ones that are further away from the factory. Equalizing the cost is the best move. You negotiate transit contracts for the best rate for this very reason - minimize the additional cost on the Monroney.

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mikemat6@reddit

I just checked out of curiosity, the Ford dealer across the street from Wayne assembly charges 2k destination on a bronco

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kyonkun_denwa@reddit

What would irk me is that it’s the same price no matter where the dealership is located.

Not really related to this article per se, but a few years ago it was cheaper to buy a Toyota RAV4 in Los Angeles than it was to buy one down the street from where they were made in Woodstock, Ontario.

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t-poke@reddit

Way back in 2009 I had an MKV GTI. I visited the VW Autostadt in Wolfsburg, where the car is made. At the time (maybe it's still the case) Germans could buy VWs and pick them up at the factory. After converting EUR to USD, they were paying more than what I paid for mine in the states, after it was sent halfway around the world by boat then halfway across the US by truck.

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04limited@reddit

I remember when destination was like $750…$1200 was considered expensive

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linoleumknife@reddit

I haven't paid that much attention to new car prices in years, I thought it was still $750!

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FledglingNonCon@reddit

That's the doc fee

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icecream_specialist@reddit

Still is. This is hidden fee marketing bologna, should be rolled into MSRP. Consumer needs to be provided with out-the-door prices

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KyledKat@reddit

“Sorry, best we can do is a super low monthly payment for uber qualified applicants with tens of thousands to put down. 🤭” -every POS dealership

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TripleShotPls@reddit

Destination charges are completely out of control. This is just padding profits in a new way. Seriously.

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SargentoPepper@reddit

I wonder what’s going to happen when people realize many don’t actually need a pickup truck as much as they thought, where’s the American auto industry going to go?

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elmz370@reddit

Damn, I paid less to deliver my new Porsche from Germany to the US. Then again, that was 2014.

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Wizard_of_Rozz@reddit

How much extra to not have the GM engine grenade itself

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Training-Expert5598@reddit

Good luck putting a price on that. My Trail Boss blew its motor at 19k miles and again at 20500 miles. Same issue. Sold that shitbox off asap.

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Gregorovich@reddit

If you pay the extra for the non-grenade engine, the transmission will still grenade itself

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withoutapaddle@reddit

For real. My wife was wondering about how to prolong the life of our F-150's engine, since the truck will stay looking nice for a lot longer than our previous vehicles (aluminum body not rusting away here from road salt). I said don't worry, the 10r80 tranny will destroy itself long before the engine gets high mileage!

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Slimy_Shart_Socket@reddit

Probably like $25k to get a professional engine builder to redo the engine, and maybe add a custom cam + tune while he's at it.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

That’s now a discount. You buy used.

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TyburnCross@reddit

Infinity dollars of course

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rapzeh@reddit

It's a bullshit charge. If it wasn't, they'd just allow you to pick it up yourself and not pay shipping, or arrange your own shipping.

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blvrnot_beep@reddit

While you're at it, decrease the headlight glare from Full-Size trucks.

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hujassman@reddit

Nope.

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Tim-in-CA@reddit

Greedflation

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LC-Dookmarriot@reddit

Shipping cars from Asia and Europe costs half that. There’s no way it costs Ford and GM almost 3 grand to move a vehicle within the continent. This is pure unadulterated greed

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TheDistantEnd@reddit

They get to tack it on as a fee so they can keep their advertised prices for vehicles themselves lower. It's just a scam.

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t-poke@reddit

Seriously, what’s stopping them from advertising a $40,000 truck with a $10,000 destination fee? Where is the line drawn?

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HiIary4Prison@reddit

With the rising cost of diesel, inflation, etc., is the reason for this jump. The upper management of these companies all keep voting for republicans and keep shooting themselves in the foot. Fucking idiots.

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linoleumknife@reddit

So you think when Toyota ships a vehicle from Japan it magically moves from the shipping port to the dealer? They're also paying diesel, inflation, etc. to get the vehicle across the continent, the same as the US manufacturers.

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Sneakysnakethesnake@reddit

Crude oil isn't even at an all time high. I implore you to look at the price of crude oil over the last 20 years and tell me what party was in office when the all time high happened and who was in office during the all time low.

If you're going to make a political argument, at least do some research so you don't look like such a moron.

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onetwentytwo_1-8@reddit

Who do we send our thank you letters to?

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kon---@reddit

lol...what?

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post_break@reddit

It's cheaper for me to ship an Izuzu Elf from Japan than an F150 from Michigan.

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ThaddeusJP@reddit

Volvo has a program if you can literally get flown overseas to go watch it be built, take personal delivery of it, and they'll ship it to the United States.

https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/osd-tourist/

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emp_mei_is_bae@reddit

Delivery being separate from msrp is so dumb

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Milksaucey@reddit

It would make more sense if it were variable like every other shipping costs are. It's a bit absurd that you would have to pay the same shipping cost in Spartanburg as you would in Socal for a US made BMW.

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linoleumknife@reddit

I think even more absurd when the delivery fee on a vehicle made in the US should be a small fraction of what it is to buy a vehicle made overseas.

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Milksaucey@reddit

Yeah, that's true. You pay the same destination fee regardless of where the BMW is made. I'm not sure why this is. Is it just easier for BMW? Personally, I would rather just pay the actual cost it takes rather than subsidizing other people (or in my most recent purchase being subsidized).

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linoleumknife@reddit

I have absolutely no actual knowledge of this, but it wouldn't surprise me if the dealer is getting paid a big chunk of the destination fee. Since the destination fee is the same everywhere, perhaps dealers get a flat cut of that fee, so a dealer close to the factory gets the same amount as a dealer really far away. Essentially the low shipping cost on near dealers offsets the high cost to far dealers.

And by raising the destination charge, they're really just making more money for the dealers. I don't pay a ton of attention to auto industry sales and prices, but I'm guessing Ford and GM dealers have been clamoring for more money. Likely due to the absurd price of a new car these days.

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KarmaticEvolution@reddit

Just like how you don’t get out the door price on something as small as a pencil. Or go to a restaurant and there is a service fee. Resort fee at a hotel. Convenience fee for tickets.

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Kevin_Wolf@reddit

Yeah, because a delivery fee surcharge is normal to buy pencils, right?

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charmanderSosa@reddit

This is a brain dead take and your analogies don’t make sense here. A truck is a product, a tangible good, not a service. The truck is already parked at the dealer lot. It’s like going grocery shopping, and having to pay a freight charge on your groceries, which is stupid. Obviously the price is already baked into your groceries, which should also be the case with vehicles.

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KarmaticEvolution@reddit

Geez, do you respond this aggressively with a subject that’s not personal? You’re actually making my point. If the cost is already baked in, then separating it out is just reducing price transparency. Whether it’s groceries or cars, it’s the same tactic, show a lower base price and add fees later.

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charmanderSosa@reddit

As someone that actually purchases new vehicles, this is personal, destination charges are BS manufacturer fees that they want to squeeze from you while maintaining MSRP. They’ve been skyrocketing since Covid.

No this isn’t price transparency, because it doesn’t cost Ford anywhere near $2800 to ship 1 F150. Maybe if it was a truck just carrying a singular F150, but that’s not how they get shipped.

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KarmaticEvolution@reddit

I don’t get why you’re thinking I am disagreeing with you, I must have worded my response in a confusing way.

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charmanderSosa@reddit

Cause it’s Reddit and everyone I talk to is dumb and wrong, and being mad is how I get upvotes. Fuels my ego.

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t-poke@reddit

Well, resort fees, service fees and convenience fees are bullshit too.

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NitroBike@reddit

It's so funny people financing these ginormous road tanks and paying like $1500/mo but still complain about the destination fees. Like yeah dude that extra $2k tacked onto to the final sale price is really gonna make a difference to your mortgage-level car payment.

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withoutapaddle@reddit

Not even an exaggeration. One of my coworkers had a truck payment that was almost twice my mortgage payment. It was insane. About 6 months later he started showing up for work in a 25 year old beat up Cavalier, because the payment, insurance, and fuel costs were killing him on his truck and he couldn't afford to use it all the time.

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HiIary4Prison@reddit

Drives a 2007 shitbox and thinks an average mortgage payment is $1,500. Bro still stuck in 2006. 😂

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NitroBike@reddit

whatever you have to tell yourself to justify your obscene car payment. At least my car is paid off.

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HiIary4Prison@reddit

I’m paying $12,500 a month for 5 vehicles. I can more than afford it. I’d rather put the money to work vs. paying in full for them. Enjoy your paid off shit box!

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NitroBike@reddit

nice I'm happy you're in massive amounts of debt to banks 🙂

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HiIary4Prison@reddit

Yeah, totally. Let me go burn $53k that I made by investing my F150 money into the markets instead of paying for it in full. Go take a finance class you broke weirdo.

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blueingreen85@reddit

People don’t like being misled. Just tell me what the truck actually costs. If a charge isn’t optional, there’s no honest excuse for it being its own line items. It only serves to reduce price transparency.

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NitroBike@reddit

I agree but my point is people are haggling over a couple grand when most of the people financing these trucks are doing like 96mo loans. And their monthly payments are still well over a $1k

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

Mortgage?

$1500 is not even 3 weeks of rent for my studio. 🤣

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Opportunityyy@reddit

If they need a truck, they’ll pay it. If they want the truck for the image, they’ll pay it. Real pseudo-captive market they got here..

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withoutapaddle@reddit

And the people like me who need a truck for heavy towing and just want to treat it like a tool for occasional use instead of a daily commuter or emotional support truck... We just buy cheap used ones for <$30k. Bonus is that the bed comes pre-scratched to shit, so you don't feel bad being rough on it.

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tblax44@reddit

It really is crazy how marketing convinced so many people that they 1) need a truck and 2) they need to cost so much more than other cars.

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bschmidt25@reddit

People are missing the point here. The destination fee isn't about shipping costs (alone). It's supposed to be for all costs of transporting and preparing the car for sale. But there's nothing holding manufacturers to that. And because they're non-negotiable and the amount of them doesn't have to be included in advertisements other than "plus destination" and/or in the fine print, it's an easy way to raise prices/profits without it being so obvious to consumers. In an ideal world, destination fees would only be for the delivery costs of the vehicle, but that's not what they are.

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Skensis@reddit

Yeah, ideally it would be a 1:1 pass through of cost, but delivery is an opaque process so who knows how it's being calculated and determined.

But it's not truly non-negotiable because money is fungible and the dealer can always play around with other things to knock some of the price off.

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bschmidt25@reddit

True on the second point. But IIRC, every cent of the destination fee goes directly to the manufacturer.

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Ok_Combination_4482@reddit

I mean idk how much they charging retial these days but if a trucks is 60 grand. Thats about 5 percent of the total price a little less probably.

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LunchroomRumble@reddit

I bought a 26' Ford Ranger and paid $1900 for destination.

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jabroni4545@reddit

Meanwhile Germans can ship a car overseas AND transport it within the country for less money than domestic carmakers charge.

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Furryyyy@reddit

Same for Japan. My 86 was built in Gunma and shipped to bumfuck nowhere for $1200. Even with diesel getting more expensive, this just seems like a way to increase the cost to the customer without touching the MSRP.

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caterham09@reddit

That's a fucking lot for a truck that already costs that much.

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Ok_Combination_4482@reddit

Even if they were chepaer 5% is ridiculous.

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Cranjesmcbasketball1@reddit

They are gouging the shit out of the customer on this as usual. Even if you could only fit 4 F150's on a car carrier load that would be over $11k for one car carrier on a load (they usually fit 5). That's absurd its more in the $4-6k range for the entire trailer full of cars (depending on distance)

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GoldenState15@reddit

You don't know what gouging means LMAO

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South_Sea_IRP@reddit

Broke bros will still run out and finance them.

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fuckingjonperez@reddit

stop buying trucks.......watch what happens......even for one day. they average around 2000 trucks sold daily......they'd shit their pants.

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beer_bukkake@reddit

This is discriminatory and won’t stand in court as it specifically targets people with small penises

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JoaquimSilva@reddit

Well, this means that more of them will end up at the auction after rotting at the dealerships for months.

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markh2111@reddit

Funny how they settled on the same exact price...

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KingKontinuum@reddit

I mean, yeah. I hope no one is surprised and is thanking Mr. you-know-you.

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Hnry_Dvd_Thr_Awy@reddit

Another W for the Tesla buying model.

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gummaumma@reddit

It is baked into the cost of a Tesla anyways.

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Healfezza@reddit

At least it is transparent though. Ford dealerships will advertise MSRP but then add PDI, dealership fees, and addons without talking about them once they start quoting monthly payments.

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mklimbach@reddit

The destination fee in question is part of the MSRP on the window sticker and part of invoice on the vehicle. The only time you see a vehicle's MSRP without it is during new model year press releases about vehicle pricing where they specify "before destination and delivery charges."

It has really nothing to do with dealers.

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