Plan for Kurdish invasion of Iran reportedly collapsed amid leaks, distrust
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KronusTempus@reddit
It’s not like the US uses pawns to achieve their goals, and then completely reverses course once their objectives have been achieved.
Absolutely no precedent for that.
/s fkn obviously
Anxious_Katz@reddit
I guess when you repeatedly sell your allies off a whime people hesitate to help you in the future? The new Syrian army clearing up Rojava happened a few months ago! Even a blind goat can see the outcome of collaboration with the US in this region !
Magjee@reddit
m0ngoos3@reddit
Dubya realizing mid-sentence that if he said "shame on me", it would be used against him in ads and on late night TV for the rest of his presidency.
They guy wasn't a genius, but he wasn't quite as dumb as he pretended to be.
gregorydgraham@reddit
“Shame on us” would have worked, dubya ain’t no genius.
m0ngoos3@reddit
Most of it was an act.
Not all, but most.
KronusTempus@reddit
Anybody who climbed that high has to be above average…or so I believed until Donnie came in.
I still harbor a suspicion that he’s deeply embittered at how the old establishment hampered him during his first term, and especially how they’ve made his life hell in the four years after his term. So he’s decided that he no longer gives a fuck and will do whatever he wants, and to hell with everyone else who disagrees with him.
But having seen his clips from “behind the scenes” so to speak, he seems to pay very close attention to the little details behind his media appearances and his speeches. I’m sure he’s also going senile at this point too.
gregorydgraham@reddit
Trump is a perfect example that charisma is not related to smarts, looks, or behaviour. Complete toerags with the Jesus Gene will lead the world into darkness
Saorren@reddit
dubya and donnie are both perfect examples that inteligence isnt just a singular thing. there are different types and levels. id say to get to the point of presidency you have to be smart in atleast one way or another even if to the average you look absolutely dead as a door nail level of inteligence.
for trump hes quite capable of building a cult of personality based on lies for citizen support and for the rich well hes great at building connections and putting them in compromising positions so they dont cross him(of which he himself fell for this same gambit), otherwise hes an incompetant corrupt fool who thinks hes the smartest in every room.
Magjee@reddit
He was an above average guy
But he was in over his head as president
m0ngoos3@reddit
The Bush family has been in politics since before Prescott tried to get Smedley Butler to coup Roosevelt.
George Jr had his entire life shaped to prepare him for politics. He pretended to be below average intelligence as a way to protect his agenda of invading Iraq to settle debts with the Saudis.
Nethlem@reddit
He's a born again Christian who thought God ordered him to "liberate Iraq", declared a "crusade" on the Muslim world, with his "holy warriors".
Without Bush Junior, Trump would not have been possible, what's currently happening would not have happened.
It's insane how many people do not even realise this/can't draw this very blatant connection. American evangelicals are an end times death cult and have basically taken over the Republican party and currently even the White House, trying to build the Christian version of a Caliphate.
sulaymanf@reddit
That’s the first explanation I’ve ever seen of why he flubbed the line other than he forgot the phrase. Interesting.
Nethlem@reddit
Gotta love the Bushisms, they are silly but at least sometimes they are actually very close to the truth.
Magjee@reddit
It's like you can trace the line of thinking
But instead of drawing a person, you traced a stick figure
RealAbd121@reddit
The funnier reality is that Syria isn't even the reason (aside from them still getting their integration deal anyway and not being punished for losing by making the terms worse).
The actual reason is that the Israelis revealed the plot too soon, and they were forced to confirm or deny it while the West's assets around there were still there, which meant getting all of Iran's attention on them, causing them to say fuck it and deny it.
If the US/Israel weren't so stupid, the Kurds would've still been willing to become pawns again lmao!
genius_retard@reddit
And they certainly don't engage in peace talks all the while making military strike plans they 100% intend on executing regardless of the outcome of said talks.
Flaksim@reddit
Yeah well, the US has a long and well documented history of throwing "allies" under the bus when it no longer suits them, why would the Kurds trust them for a fifth time?
Intelligent_Wafer562@reddit
You forgot the January 2026 Syrian War.
DayFew5991@reddit
At this point if you're kurdish in the middle east you have to be a huge moron to trust the US. How many times are you gonna get used as cannon fodder and then betrayed before you learn the lesson.
swelboy@reddit
“Trust” is probably too strong of a word, the Kurds take whatever they can get really, I doubt they truly “trust” anyone.
Gomeria@reddit
what are their other options? they are a genocided population that gets decimated in the lands they have been living historically, the kurds are between the sword and a wall since the beggining
Moikanyoloko@reddit
Are they? The last credible attempt of kurdish genocide dies with Saddam Hussein and they have autonomy in Iraq right now.
There are reports of discrimination in Turkey and Iran, where there has been low level conflict between kurdish separatists and governements for a century by this point, but at the same time the current president of Iran is of mixed Kurdish origin, so their discrimination is evidently not absolute.
Gomeria@reddit
Yes, they are still segregated and any kind of social aid for them gets lost or stolen, i have a very close friend of mine which i made back in europe traveling for work and he was a roaming painter, traveled and painted in the streets of the whole europe, all his family still live in the kurds settlements and they are suffering a lot, they suffer from racism, xenophobia and whatever religionphobia is called in a place that's not really like western countrys like ours, it sucks big time
Atmoran_of_the_500@reddit
Lmao
Gomeria@reddit
I've traveled most of the world doing consultations as a mining engineer around the globe, i know who's lying and who's not, the worst experiences of my life were in MEA and Northen Africa.
Im sure i have experienced way more places than you did
Moarbrains@reddit
Every time. And before that we gave Saddam wmd's to hit them with.
kolitics@reddit
You don’t need trust to accept weapons and use them against forces that are busy fighting the US
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
If they just wanted to mindlessly kill and die without plan or hope for a better outcome for the future, sure. They could see it'd be needless death, destruction, chaos, and loss for no good reason.
kolitics@reddit
They aren't mindless. They are capable of deciding for themselves what outcome they hope to achieve.
FaceDeer@reddit
Right, and in this case they decided that they were better off not throwing their lot in with the Americans and Israelis.
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
No, doing so without any form or semblance of an enduring plan for what comes after and without trust and reliable security assurances from foreign benefactors would have been mindless, which is why they wisely decided against going along with the terrible idea.
Good on them.
buster_de_beer@reddit
What point in fighting if there is nothing to win? Especially when you can expect the people giving you weapons to turn on you as soon as it's convenient.
kolitics@reddit
I'm not going to claim I know what's best for the Kurds, they might not even want more independence but they have an opportunity to take advantage of regional instability and free weaponry. No one is going to just give it to them. If they sit this one out, when are they going to have a better chance?
Briak@reddit
Exactly my thinking. They've been repeatedly used and then discarded by the US, and that was without the involvement of a president infamous for turning his back on his allies.
Magjee@reddit
Iran sort of wisely softened up the approach to the Kurdish majority regions and allowed greater autonomy during the Iraq War
Seems even those who would fall for US promises again don't have enough of a reason to attack Tehran
Nethlem@reddit
Blaming this on "leaks" is kind of funny considering the whole thing was mostly gaslighting to begin with.
Barely a year ago the US stabbed the Kurds in Syria in the back, left them to be killed by Turkish/HTS forces, stopping their Iraqi allies from helping in Syria by blocking the Syria/Iraq border with A-10.
Which means most militant Kurds already have their hands full helping their fellow people in Syria, the last thing they would want to do right now is once again play sacrificial pawn for US foreign policy adventures.
Especially not against Iran, which in Syria was actually aligned with the Kurdish side via the PMF, Kurds and Iranian backed PMF used to be the most effective anti-ISIS ground forces in the region, but that was before a literal Al Qaeda terrorist was put in charge of Syria.
Rose4228@reddit
It's interesting just what a black and white view some of you have on the Kurds / Syria situation, even more so cause I believe only few days ago a Kurds delegation visited that new president, where things seemed to be going on the right track between them, but I suppose that's not wroth reporting on in this sub.
Nethlem@reddit
Nothing in my comment is about "black and white", if anything this is a very weird attempt to frame it as "black and white" by you:
So you don't even know it, you just "believe" it?
Yet such a belief is already reason enough for you to declare Syrian Kurds as now aligned, as "on the same side", as a Syrian government led by a former AQ terrorist, leader of a HTS that has been brutalising Syrian Kurds for the past year, to a point where now even SDF territories are being taken.
Hence, the much more likely explanation for such a visit is Syrian Kurds trying to survive via diplomacy, as trying to survive with militancy is not an option anymore after having been cut-off from friendly forces in Iraq (PMF) and Lebanon (Hezbollah).
This sub is supposed to be about major geopolitical events, a bunch of Kurds allegedly being in talks with the new Syrian regime is imho not such a major geopolitical event, if it actually happened.
Tho HTS/Syrian government troops pushing into SDF territories, that's actually a quite relevant and important geopolitical developement, particularly in relation to the Iran war and US attempts at getting some Kurdish proxy forces going.
But good luck finding many Western outlets factually reporting about that situation in Syria, they've been very silent on Syria since late 2024 for a reason, since 2024 the Syrian regime is on "our" side, so nothing bad can happen there.
Rose4228@reddit
I see, so that's not a black and white of looking at things, is it?
https://english.aawsat.com/arab-world/5254241-sharaa-receives-kurdish-delegation-eid-nowruz-cultural-diversity-source-syria%E2%80%99s
Here you go :) All it took is one google search. Oh, and that's strange, if the HTS really were as blood thirsty as you make them sound for some Kurd blood, why are they still playing the diplomacy game with them now that they are cut off from their allies? Really makes you think.
And now who's the one taking the other's comment out of context? Where did I say they were on the 'same side' again? What I DID say is that things aren't as bad as YOU seem to think.
sovietarmyfan@reddit
Hypothetical.
What if the US did indeed send in the Kurds with the US army and Turkey just bombed them? Would it lead to a huge controversial situation within NATO?
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
That’s a situation we already had in Syria and nobody gave a fuck.
No2Hypocrites@reddit
Turkey wouldn't dare if USA said no and American media complex would immediately run segments demonizing turkey and glorifying Kurds.
FIREKNIGHTTTTT@reddit
Come on, you can say whatever you want about Turkey, but it’s not a subservient client state. It’s not an UAE or Qatar state of vassalage here. They can and will pursue their regional interests even if it means going against the US and Nato sometimes.
Just because they mastered the ability to play ball with everyone doesn’t mean Turkey is toothless.
BendicantMias@reddit
Turkey isn't the UK. You're greatly playing up how subservient they are.
Magjee@reddit
Turkish bodyguards beat the shit out of US protestors in America and no one did anything about it
Turkey is already enjoying its big win in Syria with their proxy taking control
They can easily fight Kurds in Iraq and Iran under the fog of war with other proxies
Stippings@reddit
Turkey wouldn't bomb them. They just wait till the Americans leave and then bomb them (happened back in Syria).
That's one of the reasons why they're not bombing them in Iraq (in the past Erdogan already called the existence of the KRG a 'mistake'), so if he could he would've bombed them there too till the KRG is abolished and Iraq assumes fill control over it again.
Roxy-@reddit
Yes, he hates them so much that he has a lot of trade agreements with them.
Stippings@reddit
Trade agreements don't necessary mean they're friends.
Turkey has trade agreements with Israel and Russia too. US has trade agreements with China. Japan and China also have trade agreements with each other.
Turkey loves the KRG so much, in 2017 they they threathen them with famine (a crime against human rights btw) over non-binding independence referendum
PurpleMclaren@reddit
No need for hypothetical we saw what happened, Iran bombed them before Turkey even got the chance.
gonna-see-riverman@reddit
Well since it's a TIS article, it could be state propaganda/deflection. Like everything that comes out of Trump/Yahu, expect the opposite, because they're cartoonishly cunning. "we're not going to attack - aha attack". But it could be true if it appears in more independent sources.
Also, please don't share TIS links. Reddit gets more than enough of their propaganda on worldnews.
FaceDeer@reddit
I'm not really sure how this article is supposed to paint the Americans in a good light here.
gonna-see-riverman@reddit
it can be used to conceal surprise attacks, not always about good light.
Britstuckinamerica@reddit (OP)
This is just ridiculous lol, you think the Kurds, freshly betrayed yet again, are secretly raring to go and the US is competent enough to keep it all under wraps? This makes both the US and Israel look bad and incompetent because their handling of the war they started has been bad and incompetent.
I know what you're saying but this story wasn't covered by any other reputable source I could find
gonna-see-riverman@reddit
I'm just saying you should doubt everything that comes out of these 2 governments and media that have a history of spreading state propaganda. Unless I hear it from reliable journalists who have confirmed it on the ground, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned to be a deflection. Even Kurds, yes, they're not monolithic, and it only takes convincing a small armed group to cause chaos, and that shouldn't be hard in that region.
Britstuckinamerica@reddit (OP)
Due to title restrictions I couldn't write "US-Israeli plan...", but that's the real title. Article below:
FIREKNIGHTTTTT@reddit
If anyone legit believes the main reason for calling off such stupid and ridiculous plan was because it was leaked to Mainstream US media is a gullible idiot. The idea that Iran wasn’t aware of such an operation, but then started to bolster their defenses on the north western frontier of the country after watching a Fox news reporting on the matter or some shit is an absurdity.
The reality is it was a reckless plan with a high probability of failure. Many of the Kurdish factions in the region expressed skepticism or outright refused to be involved in such a Trumpian idea. But most importantly, the Kurdish forces that were equipped and in a state to actually launch an invasion were few thousands at best, making them almost a non factor. Iranian Kurds aren’t a monolith and some of them don’t even have separatist tendencies too, so gambling on them betrays a sense of ignorance and lack of understanding of the region. That’s not even mentioning the Turkey factor, but that was already mentioned in the article.
MongolPerson@reddit
The amount of anti-posting regulation has ruined user experience on this subreddit. And it is unfortunately on purpose, because they want to discentivize discussion.
ColdEvenKeeled@reddit
I don't know what anti-posting is or what my experience is supposed to be; incentivised?
BufferUnderpants@reddit
I don't think it's to prevent discussion negative towards the US, else the comments section would be getting nuked.
It's to prevent US domestic news from flooding this sub, the mods wired up the automod to remove posts with words like "US" or "Trump" on the title.
Since the US is tanking the global economy with its international law, the rules only get in the way.
Nethlem@reddit
The rule was originally put in place to prevent US domestic news/politics from flooding this sub.
As this sub was created when the whole partisan political situation in the US exploded around Trump's possible second term.
Nobody wanted this sub to be flooded with "Trump/Biden/ good/bad!" US culture war nonsense, Reddit is already too full of that, hence rule 2.3 was put in place and originally only affected the United States.
China and India only followed after the pandemic/a flood of domestic negative China/India submissions started flooding in here. Which many Chinese/Indian users did not like, and there's actually quite a lot of them on Reddit, so they complained until they also got added to the 2.3 rule.
As one of the OG regulars here I absolutely hate all of that; The original 2.3 rule was good and needed, what was not needed was this slippery slope of not only expanding the countries affected, but the topics affected.
By now the rule mostly feels like just another gate to keep too negative international news about the US out of this subreddit, or even too positive news about other countries.
I.E.: A while ago I tried submitting a neutral article about the BRISCS naval exercise around India. Automod would not let me post any article about it, tried like half a dozen different sources.
Only a few weeks later I see an article about the same exercise here on the subreddit, it's from BBC and the narrative of the article was something along the lines of "BRISCS axis of evil doing evil aggressive military exercise!", that one the automod lets pass no issue, cool.
RealAbd121@reddit
This subreddit is really draconian with their anti US poltics rules, which means you can get a post auto-deleted because it's talking about the US... invading someone (which is obviously relevant non US news)
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
He's talking about the asinine title restrictions.
Nethlem@reddit
The title restrictions are such an ass moderation practice. A couple of years ago I tried to post a submission about a failed congress vote on removing US troops from Syria.
These troops constitute an illegal invasion and occupation force, violating the national sovereignity of Syria, as such news like that should be considered geopolitically relevant to an international audience.
Yet automod refused to post it here as allegedly "too US centric".
QuotableMorceau@reddit
US under Trump has become a very unreliable ally, and an unreliable ally is worse than useless
captHij@reddit
This would seem to be kind of a big deal? Fox News is one of the preferred conservative news outlets, and the President has been quick to blame other news organizations of being biased and working against the interests of the United States. Yet, there have not been any outbreaks from conservatives about this serious breach.
VoluntaryJetsFan@reddit
It’s probably because none of it was true and it was never going to happen.
mrjosemeehan@reddit
Perhaps the point was to provoke Iranian strikes on Iraqi Kurdistan in hopes of a Kurdish or Iraqi response against Iran. The US is desperate to drive a wedge between Iraq and Iran since they've been so friendly lately.
ChefCurryYumYum@reddit
The specific Kurds they were trying to get to do their dirty work for them don't have any heavy weapons and the Iraqi leadership will not let them have any.
They have been torn to shreds and they aren't stupid, they knew it too. The idea that the Kurds were going to go boots on the ground and try to invade northern Iran was laughable from the moment a Trump regime idiot had the idea.
kaptainkooleio@reddit
This time around, it’s seems like the Kurds remembered what happens when you ally with the united states. Kurds don’t have interceptors or those Ukrainian drones that can target Shaheds, plus IRGC ain’t collapsing anytime soon so Kurds don’t want that smoke. Bless them too, after all they’ve been through I wouldn’t want them laying down their lives for our pedophile regime.
imnotcreative635@reddit
Wow they finally learned their lesson.
BThasTBinFiji@reddit
No way! How could the Kurds be distrustful after being left in the lurch by the US countless times?
wasdlmb@reddit
How many times have we heard that idea across history? How many times has it actually worked? I just have to wonder if the administrations were that naïve or if they were happy with either outcome and just focused on the one that sounded better
RevengeWalrus@reddit
Complete and utter failure at every level. Every check is bouncing, the enemy is essentially just refusing to answer our calls, total tactical paralysis, incalculable blowback. Daily humiliation. This is pretty much a given to be the greatest military failure in U.S. history, rapidly moving up the global leaderboards with each passing day.
We're really learning how much Iraq rendered the army a paper tiger. Our entire military class is terrified of boots on the ground (justifiably).
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
In some ways it always seemed farfetched and like a longshot because out of the four countries where an unrecognized stateless informal Kurdistan is anchored - Iraq, Syria, Turkey, and Iran - it is Iran where Kurdish separatism always appeared the weakest and least likely to succeed, if news and trends over the past several decades are any indication.
It's the one in a way which Washington D.C. and Tel Aviv would most want to succeed and be formidable, obviously, because it is the one based in the most powerful country in the region opposed to them.
But it is the one where there was the least recent history of successful uprising and armed conflict between the Kurdish minority and the majority and national institutions of their country. Perhaps because their treatment there was the least bad compared to Turkey, Ba'athist Iraq, and Ba'athist Syria? Or perhaps because unlike Turkic Turks and Semitic Arabs, the Kurds are also an Iranic people with more of a natural homeland and identity in a declared Iran? Or maybe that's why their treatment was the most benign there? Modern Iran isn't exactly a Persian ethnonationalist supremacist state.
And then there was the fact that they just witnessed the U.S.-backed Syrian Kurdish insurgent faction get treated like the useful idiot used condom that they always were viewed as; the same as all proxies.
Whatever the precise reason - I'm so so glad, like overjoyed to the moon and back, that it went to complete and utter shit in their face, was aborted before beginning, and came to absolutely nothing and zero.
Broseph_Stalinnn@reddit
How dumb is it of western powers to use the Kurds in this conflict. The only thing the countries in that area agree on is hating Kurds. As if this was a successful operation did The Orange Bastard and his Drunken Crusader think Turkey would allow this
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