As someone who's been in 4chan my whole life... Yeah idk
Something like revenge on Europeans for a history of abuse, trying to weaken the superiorâ˘ď¸ race so humanity is easier to rule, encouraging a global instead of national culture or an anti-christian thing. But then a lot of countries are having population crises so đ¤ˇââď¸
Ok but why would they send Muslims though? A group that notoriously doesn't like Jews. Like isreal may be evil but not stupid enough to send Muslims to Europe which then become politicians and them become more antisemitc the. 4chan
Besides what he said, when a Middle Eastern country gets de-stabilised, refugees go to Europe
Its not like Arab neighbors dont accept them. They do but not every single one, and this fact pisses off Westerners when they hear it, like "why dont they just accept them all? Why our country?"
It also doesnt help that Palestinian refugees in the past have assassinated Arab politicans for not supporting their cause, which caused more Arab countries to be more careful
Ok I understand both yours and the other guy point but why do 4channers think that juice ppl will find mixed ppl easier to control rather than whites doesn't the brown ppl also hate them
The idea (I believe it comes from Jewish authorities themselves, I couldn't cite it though) is that Jews tend to do better in highly multicultural societies, as there is less "heat" on them as a minority among many other minorities. I'm not necessarily a believer in that idea, I just know that it is one prevailing explanation for why some people think they are engineering the mass immigration we've seen around the western world over the last couple decades. I think it's more economic than anything.
Replace white europeans with low IQ third worlders so that you create a permanent underclass that's easier to manipulate and control. And a seething hatred for europeans and christianity. Pretty simple.
If you are a nazi- The jews want to end The white Race for vengence and to rule The world easier
If you are a commie-the capitalist rulling class, wich is mostly jewish, want free, desperate and cheap labour soethey can opress The working class and give them less rights, so they bring in millions of refugees
If you are neither-israel, a jewish country, wants to conquer The Middle east, this act distabelizes regimes and makes millions of refugees flee to other countries, europe serves as a migrant sponge for israels acts on The Middle east.
Theyâre pissed about the destruction of the 2nd temple by the Romanâs in 70 AD and seek revenge by flooding Europe with immigrants to slowly replace them. Not even a joke.
You would think that one of the most prosperous country in the world would solve this problem by...having more kids but they don't want to. This is 100% self inflicted. It's asinine how right wing is on the rise in europe cause europeans don't want kids.
A majority of young white women also don't want kids, and a growing part don't want white kids. Men are now statistically the gender that values kids more, as well as marriage. Even if you are economically able to have kids, women don't want them. But yeah, it's primarily economic. If Europeans didn't have to financially support 10 arabs per person, they could actually afford to support European 2 kids.
The reality is that people not wanting kids is on the rise globally.
Having reproductive control presents people the option to either pursue life satisfaction vs. being bogged down with a lifetime of responsibility and resource drain. Guess which option people go for?
On an individual level? Sure, you can say that, get help or whatever, not everyone needs to have kids. However if we broadly accept that any instance of feelsbad precludes a person from having kids, we're just gonna die out (with severe pain on our way).
We're not talking about any instance of feelsbad. Everyone has issues. We were talking about people being "miserable", and having deep-rooted issues with their life. Those people certainly shouldn't have kids until they get their issues sorted out.Â
While you're saying that the reason they have issues is because they lack purpose (not always true) and that having kids will bring them purpose and make them better.
Oh yeah nothing bad will happen when people just en masse decide to not have kids anymore, right? We wouldn't wanna risk a chance some kids might have substandard parents now would we, we gotta protect the kids, no matter the cost.
They clearly havenât pursued life satisfaction by choosing no kids if their miserable. Thereâs other reasons they arenât having kids and none of them are good for themselves or society
> childless people are more likely to have mental illness
Kinda true, but misleading.
People with mental illness are less likely to have children, partially because mental illness interferes with partnering for having children.
Even the life satisfaction thing is a wild swing: Childless people have more life satisfaction than the entire parent cohort, but parents who have good relationships with their children AND are older report higher satisfaction.
All this makes sense when you tie it up with "If you wanted kids, are good at raising them, and the results of your parenting are good, having kids has positive results."
Politicians that have been well off for the generation so they actually have five kids with one spouse/nanny taking care of them, looking at middle class people both having jobs but in some degree of financial instability : "hmm why are these people not having kids?"
Move to 30 hour workweeks and people might be more inclined to have a life outside, including kids
more space and houses relative to the population so houses become bigger and more affordable
less competition for jobs, so wages increase to compensate
less natural resources, farmland, and raw commodities required to sustain population, more areas of natural beauty can be preserved and less foreign imports are required, more resources per capita means a higher standard of living
community becomes more close-knit and cost of living is cheaper, crime decreases
Oh my God, we need to avoid this disaster! Quick someone import infinity bronze age tribals with a foreign religion that hates us from the most violent regions on the planet so our young people have to live in pods in overcrowded cities full of strangers to compete for a living wage and have less disposable income and the boomers' retirement funds are more comfortable!
Its not self inflicted at all, you dont get benefits as a native, barely any financial support and get taxed to the gills for Mohammed and his 9 children
We keep being told Japan and Korea will vanish in a decade since like the 90s and it hasn't happened yet.
Genuinely I don't think the population argument is founded on anything. I mean god look at the UK right now. Hundreds of thousands of people and nobody is looking around and saying "the future ahead is bright." Same with Germany, same with Canada. You can't just add people to a country and have money sprout from warm bodies, it actually doesn't work like that. Even if it did, everyone wants to move to Japan while the UK is hemorrhaging the wealthy and middle class out migration. The infinite money immigration premise just is not true.
Their governments can spend millions on third worlders to come and live freely even though they pay their taxes for their own doom... they could've used those same funds and give them incentives to start families and skip the influx of foreigners which will cost them more with no real outcomes except degradation of standard of living. There are other nefarious plans ahead though.
Is no one going to mention how the percentages on the right don't make sense? Not a single one shown is below 65%, yet the overall Swedish population is 64%.
"Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive."
-Barbara Lerner Spectre, founding director of Paideia, the European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden
Some more classic quotes from this distinguished Jewish academic. Disgraceful how the uneducated blame Jewish people for all their problems!
Yeah, because they surely want more people that hates them and wants them dead. Don't even talk about how bad the map is, it doesn't match up with census data, especially in the more rural provinces
Also love the hilariously racist color-coding of the scale of non-Swedishness.
I'm a fan of taking on refugees as a concept, but Sweden did it SO badly in the most recent wave. One of the most highly regarded setups possible, and the far-right-wing party was the only one talking about it in realistic terms at all. Really put me in a pickle on how to vote, because I don't want the "reformed nazi" party in power, but I also need my politicians to see reality and deal with it.
It's not just the right thing to do, but with the right set of policies it's the smart thing to do.
I don't want to push a broom, lay railroad tracks or work in a fuckin mine, and I bet most highly educated Swedes don't want to either. So you bring in refugees looking for a better life. You put the work into integrating them, get work for them and they'll help support your aging population. Their children will go through the native education system and come out Swedish. They've done it before.
The shitty version is what started in 2014: "Whoever can get here can stay here. Also it's racist to check people's documents or check their story in any way." Which just meant they got 180,000 well-off males from 18-35 to import their families and live in insular communities and drag down the social fabric to make way for their backward philosophies... and they don't even know if they're from countries that put them in peril.
I don't want to push a broom, lay railroad tracks or work in a fuckin mine, and I bet most highly educated Swedes don't want to either.
Which is why the pay should be increased to incentivise doing such hard labor. But when you import refugees who have basically gotten by with just a fraction of the living standards that developed nations enjoy, they're more than happy to take any kind of pay check, so employers now have an incentive to exploit cheap labor because they know these guys would accept the bare minimum (and sometimes less). Then people on the outside looking in who don't know any better, have no idea what it's like to work such a job, think "wow these guys do it so cheap why is everyone else so expensive" then it's a race to the bottom from there.
who said i'm waiting for the perfect solution? it doesn't have to be perfect, but it sure as shit should be better than just importing cheap labor. we're already seeing the effects of it in the US.
You've ignored the central context of my point: that structured, careful immigration and accepting reasonable amounts of refugees can be a net positive.
Open border/mass open door policy refugee statuses can get fucked.
Problem is a lot of groups and other NGOs say they're cool with limitations but in practice they push hard for removing limits and complain bitterly about it to the point of breaking the law. They want to neuter the "careful, structured" part of the law and make it so it doesn't really work anymore, which ends up building up even more pressure to have someone be the asshole and deal with it (see, Trump's disastrous ICE stuff).Â
Like, Labour has their one-in-one-out system going on right now where they send back to France migrants who came in on small boats to accept people who actually applied for and got refugee status. But NGOs and other advocacy groups call France dangerous for these illegal immigrants, say that sending them back is abusing their human rights and that they basically need to shut this down to take everyone in "until they can figure it out" meanwhile appealing to airplane companies and other places to not help do deportations. They don't even care about crimes that get committed, several times now politicians and activists have covered up crimes to make it easier for the criminal to stay.Â
All I'm saying is, don't expect a "reasonable" immigration system with limits, even ones as humane as you can make them, to be just accepted. They'd still call you a fascist for it.
My first post in this thread is literally just me bitching about how badly this was handled and all the chuds leak out of the walls to tell me how bad it always is.
Yeah I mean I'm glad Labour are doing something about it and it does seem like some amount of humane checks and balances are put into place in the effected countries which I'm happy for and will give them credit for. I'm also glad that some countries aren't doing the ICE thing, like...especially with the shitty levels of training Trump has them do.
I think it was bad in the past, but it's become better now. Ultimately people are just tired of seeing stories like "Grooming Gang Offenders Had Ethnicities Tippexed Out Over Concerns Of Community Conflict" after years of news stories about girls being horrifically abused by groups of people protected by that same community or "Airport Passengers Protested Deportation of Violent Criminal" or so on while also being told it doesn't matter--and to stop judging by people who would absolutely judge them through weirdly classist ways. People remember that and want accountability, so they just lash out randomly.
I have nothing against an immigrant or refugee. Even economic migrants have value; they're coming for a better life which is what we all want anyway. If there's room at the table, I'm happy to move down.
But a country like Sweden with a lovingly crafted system for supporting everyone, and a low-impact police force because there aren't that many serious criminals on account of the very supportive social system.... taking on hundreds of thousands of unintegrated migrants and letting them settle into insular communities to create their own pockets of social ills? It encumbers the entire system and makes life harder for everyone.
Sweden is only just now passing laws like "If you prove that you don't actually fit our culture by gangraping people, we'll take your citizenship away." and "Running a gang is bad mmkay."
One big benefit though: Eventually they'll legalize cannabis to take that income source away from the gangs.
How would you deal with said NGOs and protesters trying to skirt the laws set out to regulate the number of migrants arriving in that case? Genuine question, it's been a thorn in the side for most attempts towards regulation, no matter how light-touch.
It's a shit taco no matter how you slice it. At some point you're gonna have 'government thugs' arresting 'helpless refugees' and pictures of that will derail you every time.
The reality is that all you can do is create and sanctify a proper route to immigration and come down like the fist of god on any other.
I just want to let you know that I downvoted you because I don't like the metaphor you used at the end of your comment since my teeth are rotting out because of my own inaction, not because I disagree with you politically.
Importing cheap labour during an automation crisis is not a smart move. I've seen videos of German engineers building and maintaining railway tracks. I'd much rather have people like that maintaining my society than third worlders who don't care about the standard of work and just want the paycheck.
Yeah they suck, unlike us with the popular political opinion. I feel the same way for those that have to feel better about their beliefs by referencing the other side as nazis.
âFormer Nazi partyâ is not some hysterical slur. SD was founded by people from Swedish fascist and neo-Nazi circles, then spent years sanding the edges off for electoral respectability. Read a fuckin book before you weigh in.
The borders drawn are province borders. No statistics are ever done on a province level, it's always done on a county level. These numbers are, to no one's surprise, completely made up.
Sad part is, when you look at their election polls, the gerrymandering is so bad that the majority actually votes for nationalist party in numbers of voices, but the highly concentrated urban center vote with more weight and allow the left-wing parties to pass.
What? In my country (Spain) there is a proportional voting system in place which actually gives more weight to rural areas (there are way more representatives per people in lesser-populated areas). Yet they usually protest that they still are underrepresented. This is the case in most European countries as well. The thing is that people vote and not land, and people overwhelmingly live in cities, where the vast majority of economic activity also lies.
I don't understand where you got this idea from, there's 349 seats in the Swedish parliament, the Sweden Democrats have 73 of those seats, 73/349 is 20.92%, and they received 20.54% of the total votes in the last election.
Chooses the last election as a benchmark (the one people are calling "the rise of the far right^(tm)")
ignores the past 40 years of election that allowed the current demographics
ignores the massive 2014 threshold reform that finally allowed "underrepresented parties" (i.e. rural right-wing "badthink") to even be present at the election
It would be very strange that the Swedes getting daily doses of stabbings and rpes would still be in love with open-doors immigration policies.
the paper you linked is so terrible, it's actually hilarious. literally zero citations for any of the hundreds of wild claims, random data analysis without a methodology, data source, control, or anything, and there isn't even a bibliography at the endđ
it reads more like an argumentative essay written from a 10th grader whose parents forced him to go to debate club than any actual self-respecting researcher.
yes the individual thought a human has when he is faced with hardship alone (countryside - urban life) compared to the city human is gigantic.
the person who lives in a city becomes a drone just like bees in a hive.
your life is dictacted by the city you live, all the thought around you become you. you will not be able to think as individual more a multipart brain with shared emotions.
and the weird thing is the people in a city thrive for the most individualistic stance, all thrive to dress unique, have unique interest try to be as unique as possible yet they fail as city people are easy identified.
its like a smell, its their thoughts, acts emotions and political opinions that let them glow like a torch in the night.
Bro, thats EXACTLY what I was thinking. The corporate machine takes control of ones body when they (unknowningly) sell their soul to to feed it.
The truth is that the deep state is like a puppeteer that sways the masses like tidal waves from one spectrum of emotion to the other.
At first glance it seems like I am contradicting your claim that every city dweller aims to be unique, however it is because they all claim to be special that they become one and the same.
But he doesn't have "knowledge about the Swedish electorate system". His comment is complete bullshit with zero basis in reality. No party has received a majority of the votes in almost sixty years, and the Sweden democrats have never been even close to it. And in regards to gerrymandering, Sweden doesn't have a "bad" problem with it. Sweden actually uses leveling seats to ensure that the seat distribution in the Riksdag is proportional to the national vote, even if the voting districts were gerrymandered it wouldn't have any effect on the result.
the gerrymandering is so bad that the majority actually votes for nationalist party in numbers of voices
What? That's not even how Swedish elections work.
First of all, we have way more than two parties (currently 8 in the Riksdag and even more that didn't make it) and a single party getting a majority of the votes is extremely rare, the last time it happened was in 1968, almost 60 years ago, when the Social Democrats got 50.1% of the vote. So no, the "nationalist party" does not have a majority.
Secondly, Sweden uses leveling seats to make sure the number of seats given to each party in the Riksdag is proportional to the number of votes each party received. Because of this gerrymandering is not possible in Sweden (at least not for the national elections). So, again, no, the gerrymandering isn't "bad", it's non-existent.
Weird, it's as if people that actually live with immigrants know that they're not the real problem...
Also "more weight" lol, in most european countries, every vote is equal (relevant example : Sweden has a direct proportional representation system > the majority does vote for who is elected, no "but muh popular vote isn't the same as the results")
Globalisation is not really something you can stop unless you stop being a part of the world market. For comparison the number of documented (!) native Spanish speakers in the USA rose from 11 million in 1980 to 43 million (+12 million who speak two languages at home) in 2023.
China had a record immigration number in 2025. It's just hard to compare a country like China to any western country as the other variables are just so different (like desirability, standards of living, freedom, sheer number of native people) -- I did even shy away from choosing Canada as a comparison to Sweden in this matter because it has several official languages. But their migration numbers are also affected by recent globalisation trends.
What no economy and dictatorship for the previos 50 years pre 2010 does to a mf.
Also, no shared borders with other nations, which is way easier to control immigration for. Oh, and that china is not eternally stuck in a moral low ground because they weren't exploiting the whole of Africa for the last few hundred years (at least until recently).
Immigration to EU has been happening since likt the sixties. China was still a broken country getting exploited by that time.
You do need immigrants in your country if your fertility/birthrates keep dropping and you want to maintain the same level (or growing) of consumerism and luxury that we now have.
And just happens that in Europe, and this example Sweden, birth rates have been dropping drastically.
Don't worry it will come for you Americans too. The moment they sink Europe, they will turn their eyes on you and start flooding in to your home to make it shit.
When your fertility is abysmal what do you do also the sperm count among Nordic men are decreasing alarmly. Look up Denmark's male sperm dropping, you gotta import to keep the economy afloat also Germany and France taking in immigrants so it'll make swedes look bad if they dont.
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When people come in, the percentage changes. It's not like there are fewer swedes. There's just more nonswedes living there compared to the past. This is basic math. You're all lowk idiots.
I live in Norrbotten, and this "statistic" is simply pure fabrication. There are a few areas of Sweden that actually has a huge immigrant population, mostly MalmĂś & Stockholm. The rest is pretty much immigrant-free. Certainly not as high as 35% of the population lol.
This map contains very little actual data, it's just race-baiting.
Sweden has the same billionaire/populace split with the same need to pit the peasants against each other as the USA. They have a better situation because they continue to demand unions, healthcare, etc. so they don't have such a shit-ass time as Americans.
kojimbob@reddit
Of course the 𼤠is laughing at the fruits of their plan
Sure_Locksmith_2027@reddit
I assume you downvoted me, no judgementÂ
But if so have you no arguments against my point, so you really have no reasoning?Â
That does mean that youâre wrong.Â
Sure_Locksmith_2027@reddit
Their plan is to import their enemies to get their Allies to hate them?Â
Do you realize how dumb you sound.Â
mr_daniel_wu@reddit
So the đ love Muslims and hate them? That's a new one
Sure_Locksmith_2027@reddit
The average antisemite isnât driven by reason.Â
Adventurous-Fact-523@reddit
So conflicted here too like have you heard what a Muslim thinks of Jews?
Lake_Mobius_Hunter@reddit
I am new to this 4chan shit can you explain why those people want immigrants in Europe what's the theory
xelleseittaneu@reddit
As someone who's been in 4chan my whole life... Yeah idk Something like revenge on Europeans for a history of abuse, trying to weaken the superiorâ˘ď¸ race so humanity is easier to rule, encouraging a global instead of national culture or an anti-christian thing. But then a lot of countries are having population crises so đ¤ˇââď¸
Adventurous-Fact-523@reddit
Ok but why would they send Muslims though? A group that notoriously doesn't like Jews. Like isreal may be evil but not stupid enough to send Muslims to Europe which then become politicians and them become more antisemitc the. 4chan
RobloxianYeeter@reddit
Muslims are like weapons for jews, they dont wanna lice with them but will ship them out to europe to destroy their countries
Lake_Mobius_Hunter@reddit
Got it
FrozenToothpaste@reddit
Besides what he said, when a Middle Eastern country gets de-stabilised, refugees go to Europe
Its not like Arab neighbors dont accept them. They do but not every single one, and this fact pisses off Westerners when they hear it, like "why dont they just accept them all? Why our country?"
It also doesnt help that Palestinian refugees in the past have assassinated Arab politicans for not supporting their cause, which caused more Arab countries to be more careful
ThisPresentation5291@reddit
Lake_Mobius_Hunter@reddit
Ok I understand both yours and the other guy point but why do 4channers think that juice ppl will find mixed ppl easier to control rather than whites doesn't the brown ppl also hate them
MoozInTheHouz@reddit
Hahaha this is my new favorite thing to say now juice ppl
gman8686@reddit
The idea (I believe it comes from Jewish authorities themselves, I couldn't cite it though) is that Jews tend to do better in highly multicultural societies, as there is less "heat" on them as a minority among many other minorities. I'm not necessarily a believer in that idea, I just know that it is one prevailing explanation for why some people think they are engineering the mass immigration we've seen around the western world over the last couple decades. I think it's more economic than anything.
Lake_Mobius_Hunter@reddit
Got it
abundleofboomers@reddit
Replace white europeans with low IQ third worlders so that you create a permanent underclass that's easier to manipulate and control. And a seething hatred for europeans and christianity. Pretty simple.
Black_Diammond@reddit
There are three main views:
If you are a nazi- The jews want to end The white Race for vengence and to rule The world easier
If you are a commie-the capitalist rulling class, wich is mostly jewish, want free, desperate and cheap labour soethey can opress The working class and give them less rights, so they bring in millions of refugees
If you are neither-israel, a jewish country, wants to conquer The Middle east, this act distabelizes regimes and makes millions of refugees flee to other countries, europe serves as a migrant sponge for israels acts on The Middle east.
Snake_Emper0r@reddit
Check out the Kalergi plan
Lake_Mobius_Hunter@reddit
I read it in brief and it's saying the same thing as the other guy right?
Snake_Emper0r@reddit
Yes, basically.
Silkyjoker85@reddit
Theyâre pissed about the destruction of the 2nd temple by the Romanâs in 70 AD and seek revenge by flooding Europe with immigrants to slowly replace them. Not even a joke.
JorgasBorgas@reddit
Barb never misses
azry1997@reddit
You would think that one of the most prosperous country in the world would solve this problem by...having more kids but they don't want to. This is 100% self inflicted. It's asinine how right wing is on the rise in europe cause europeans don't want kids.
DangJorts@reddit
Ignoring that this is primarily driven by economic factors
TheMoonandTheThief@reddit
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Adventurous-Fact-523@reddit
Ahh yes Jews famously love muslims
DangJorts@reddit
Yeah those economic factors
Commercial_Deer_7114@reddit
A majority of young white women also don't want kids, and a growing part don't want white kids. Men are now statistically the gender that values kids more, as well as marriage. Even if you are economically able to have kids, women don't want them. But yeah, it's primarily economic. If Europeans didn't have to financially support 10 arabs per person, they could actually afford to support European 2 kids.
Lawd_Fawkwad@reddit
Scandinavians be like:
Have an insane hookup culture to the extent that many people will have sex before ever going on a date.
Don't have kids and have a tumbling marriage rate.
Waffle_shuffle@reddit
Does Scandinavian countries have a prominent hook up culture? Thought they were a bit more modest than americans.
ICrushTacos@reddit
What's wrong with that? Oh no women want sex as well no strings attached. Absolute horror only for every sad wanker that's being left out.
SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit
The reality is that people not wanting kids is on the rise globally. Having reproductive control presents people the option to either pursue life satisfaction vs. being bogged down with a lifetime of responsibility and resource drain. Guess which option people go for?
NotAnFbiAgent-hehe@reddit
Because the modern man is known for living a happy, fulfilling life. Lmfao
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Point still stand. If you're miserable without kids, why would you go and have kids?
NotAnFbiAgent-hehe@reddit
My point is that they clearly didnât choose âlife satisfactionâ
NorthernSalt@reddit
You are miserable because you don't have kids.
baran132@reddit
Sounds like a recipe for disaster if you decide to have kids to fix your personal issues. Not fair to the kids to make them your support animal.
buxbuxbuxbuxbux@reddit
You're not getting it. You have issues because you don't have a meaning and purpose in your life. No amount of therapy can fix that, having kids will.
baran132@reddit
There's no way one can actually know that for sure. The risk of it not working and fucking up your kid's life is not worth it.
great_whitehope@reddit
No kids living a perfect life.
Parents fuck up all the time
baran132@reddit
Parents fuck up all the time. Parents don't fuck up a child's entire upbringing all the time.
buxbuxbuxbuxbux@reddit
On an individual level? Sure, you can say that, get help or whatever, not everyone needs to have kids. However if we broadly accept that any instance of feelsbad precludes a person from having kids, we're just gonna die out (with severe pain on our way).
baran132@reddit
We're not talking about any instance of feelsbad. Everyone has issues. We were talking about people being "miserable", and having deep-rooted issues with their life. Those people certainly shouldn't have kids until they get their issues sorted out.Â
While you're saying that the reason they have issues is because they lack purpose (not always true) and that having kids will bring them purpose and make them better.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
That is one fucked up gamble.
buxbuxbuxbuxbux@reddit
Oh yeah nothing bad will happen when people just en masse decide to not have kids anymore, right? We wouldn't wanna risk a chance some kids might have substandard parents now would we, we gotta protect the kids, no matter the cost.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Spoken like Xi Jinping himself.
SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit
Just because you chose to live in misery, doesn't mean everyone else has to.
NotAnFbiAgent-hehe@reddit
Most do however. In fact, childless people are more likely to have mental illness
Nighthawk700@reddit
Good thing they didn't have children. Do you even think about your own arguments?
NotAnFbiAgent-hehe@reddit
They clearly havenât pursued life satisfaction by choosing no kids if their miserable. Thereâs other reasons they arenât having kids and none of them are good for themselves or society
aghastamok@reddit
> childless people are more likely to have mental illness
Kinda true, but misleading.
People with mental illness are less likely to have children, partially because mental illness interferes with partnering for having children.
Even the life satisfaction thing is a wild swing: Childless people have more life satisfaction than the entire parent cohort, but parents who have good relationships with their children AND are older report higher satisfaction.
All this makes sense when you tie it up with "If you wanted kids, are good at raising them, and the results of your parenting are good, having kids has positive results."
EHStormcrow@reddit
Politicians that have been well off for the generation so they actually have five kids with one spouse/nanny taking care of them, looking at middle class people both having jobs but in some degree of financial instability : "hmm why are these people not having kids?"
Move to 30 hour workweeks and people might be more inclined to have a life outside, including kids
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
Oh my God, we need to avoid this disaster! Quick someone import infinity bronze age tribals with a foreign religion that hates us from the most violent regions on the planet so our young people have to live in pods in overcrowded cities full of strangers to compete for a living wage and have less disposable income and the boomers' retirement funds are more comfortable!
Mishi_Mujago@reddit
This map is fake.
autonova3@reddit
Me want high growth, no immigrants, no kids, simple as
nicememeboss@reddit
Its not self inflicted at all, you dont get benefits as a native, barely any financial support and get taxed to the gills for Mohammed and his 9 children
Autumn_Fire@reddit
We keep being told Japan and Korea will vanish in a decade since like the 90s and it hasn't happened yet.
Genuinely I don't think the population argument is founded on anything. I mean god look at the UK right now. Hundreds of thousands of people and nobody is looking around and saying "the future ahead is bright." Same with Germany, same with Canada. You can't just add people to a country and have money sprout from warm bodies, it actually doesn't work like that. Even if it did, everyone wants to move to Japan while the UK is hemorrhaging the wealthy and middle class out migration. The infinite money immigration premise just is not true.
Yvan961@reddit
Their governments can spend millions on third worlders to come and live freely even though they pay their taxes for their own doom... they could've used those same funds and give them incentives to start families and skip the influx of foreigners which will cost them more with no real outcomes except degradation of standard of living. There are other nefarious plans ahead though.
No_Television9958@reddit
Everyoneâs so focused on America = evil that nobody realizes how big of a threat this barbaric religion is
A-DustyOldQrow@reddit
Is no one going to mention how the percentages on the right don't make sense? Not a single one shown is below 65%, yet the overall Swedish population is 64%.
Nighthawk700@reddit
No, people just want to get mad at... Jews for some reason? Lol
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
"Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive."
-Barbara Lerner Spectre, founding director of Paideia, the European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden
Some more classic quotes from this distinguished Jewish academic. Disgraceful how the uneducated blame Jewish people for all their problems!
Adventurous-Fact-523@reddit
That person btw is a Zionist and has said some pretty bad stuff that even this sub will be shocked said aganist muslims
thesupremeburrito123@reddit
That's just one person though
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
Every example is just one person, yet there are still many.
StormRegion@reddit
Yeah, because they surely want more people that hates them and wants them dead. Don't even talk about how bad the map is, it doesn't match up with census data, especially in the more rural provinces
aghastamok@reddit
Also love the hilariously racist color-coding of the scale of non-Swedishness.
I'm a fan of taking on refugees as a concept, but Sweden did it SO badly in the most recent wave. One of the most highly regarded setups possible, and the far-right-wing party was the only one talking about it in realistic terms at all. Really put me in a pickle on how to vote, because I don't want the "reformed nazi" party in power, but I also need my politicians to see reality and deal with it.
gprime312@reddit
Good day, rabbi.
aghastamok@reddit
It's not just the right thing to do, but with the right set of policies it's the smart thing to do.
I don't want to push a broom, lay railroad tracks or work in a fuckin mine, and I bet most highly educated Swedes don't want to either. So you bring in refugees looking for a better life. You put the work into integrating them, get work for them and they'll help support your aging population. Their children will go through the native education system and come out Swedish. They've done it before.
The shitty version is what started in 2014: "Whoever can get here can stay here. Also it's racist to check people's documents or check their story in any way." Which just meant they got 180,000 well-off males from 18-35 to import their families and live in insular communities and drag down the social fabric to make way for their backward philosophies... and they don't even know if they're from countries that put them in peril.
edbods@reddit
Which is why the pay should be increased to incentivise doing such hard labor. But when you import refugees who have basically gotten by with just a fraction of the living standards that developed nations enjoy, they're more than happy to take any kind of pay check, so employers now have an incentive to exploit cheap labor because they know these guys would accept the bare minimum (and sometimes less). Then people on the outside looking in who don't know any better, have no idea what it's like to work such a job, think "wow these guys do it so cheap why is everyone else so expensive" then it's a race to the bottom from there.
aghastamok@reddit
Unless you can come up with a way of dealing with the low birthrates and aging population, you can't really get around importing labor.
Go ahead and pay them competitively; that's even better. But Swedes need the people.
edbods@reddit
I don't have a solution. But I do know that importing cheap labor is only a bandaid fix.
aghastamok@reddit
If you wait around for the perfect solution that doesn't exist, the imperfect solution you dislike gets worse and worse.
I don't want to get a cavity drilled but I'm not just going to let my teeth rot out waiting for a pill that fixes teeth painlessly.
edbods@reddit
who said i'm waiting for the perfect solution? it doesn't have to be perfect, but it sure as shit should be better than just importing cheap labor. we're already seeing the effects of it in the US.
aghastamok@reddit
You've ignored the central context of my point: that structured, careful immigration and accepting reasonable amounts of refugees can be a net positive.
Open border/mass open door policy refugee statuses can get fucked.
chanbr@reddit
Problem is a lot of groups and other NGOs say they're cool with limitations but in practice they push hard for removing limits and complain bitterly about it to the point of breaking the law. They want to neuter the "careful, structured" part of the law and make it so it doesn't really work anymore, which ends up building up even more pressure to have someone be the asshole and deal with it (see, Trump's disastrous ICE stuff).Â
Like, Labour has their one-in-one-out system going on right now where they send back to France migrants who came in on small boats to accept people who actually applied for and got refugee status. But NGOs and other advocacy groups call France dangerous for these illegal immigrants, say that sending them back is abusing their human rights and that they basically need to shut this down to take everyone in "until they can figure it out" meanwhile appealing to airplane companies and other places to not help do deportations. They don't even care about crimes that get committed, several times now politicians and activists have covered up crimes to make it easier for the criminal to stay.Â
All I'm saying is, don't expect a "reasonable" immigration system with limits, even ones as humane as you can make them, to be just accepted. They'd still call you a fascist for it.
aghastamok@reddit
I get it, you're cynical.
My first post in this thread is literally just me bitching about how badly this was handled and all the chuds leak out of the walls to tell me how bad it always is.
chanbr@reddit
Yeah I mean I'm glad Labour are doing something about it and it does seem like some amount of humane checks and balances are put into place in the effected countries which I'm happy for and will give them credit for. I'm also glad that some countries aren't doing the ICE thing, like...especially with the shitty levels of training Trump has them do.
I think it was bad in the past, but it's become better now. Ultimately people are just tired of seeing stories like "Grooming Gang Offenders Had Ethnicities Tippexed Out Over Concerns Of Community Conflict" after years of news stories about girls being horrifically abused by groups of people protected by that same community or "Airport Passengers Protested Deportation of Violent Criminal" or so on while also being told it doesn't matter--and to stop judging by people who would absolutely judge them through weirdly classist ways. People remember that and want accountability, so they just lash out randomly.
aghastamok@reddit
Yeap.
I have nothing against an immigrant or refugee. Even economic migrants have value; they're coming for a better life which is what we all want anyway. If there's room at the table, I'm happy to move down.
But a country like Sweden with a lovingly crafted system for supporting everyone, and a low-impact police force because there aren't that many serious criminals on account of the very supportive social system.... taking on hundreds of thousands of unintegrated migrants and letting them settle into insular communities to create their own pockets of social ills? It encumbers the entire system and makes life harder for everyone.
Sweden is only just now passing laws like "If you prove that you don't actually fit our culture by gangraping people, we'll take your citizenship away." and "Running a gang is bad mmkay."
One big benefit though: Eventually they'll legalize cannabis to take that income source away from the gangs.
chanbr@reddit
How would you deal with said NGOs and protesters trying to skirt the laws set out to regulate the number of migrants arriving in that case? Genuine question, it's been a thorn in the side for most attempts towards regulation, no matter how light-touch.
aghastamok@reddit
It's a shit taco no matter how you slice it. At some point you're gonna have 'government thugs' arresting 'helpless refugees' and pictures of that will derail you every time.
The reality is that all you can do is create and sanctify a proper route to immigration and come down like the fist of god on any other.
A-DustyOldQrow@reddit
I just want to let you know that I downvoted you because I don't like the metaphor you used at the end of your comment since my teeth are rotting out because of my own inaction, not because I disagree with you politically.
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
Importing cheap labour during an automation crisis is not a smart move. I've seen videos of German engineers building and maintaining railway tracks. I'd much rather have people like that maintaining my society than third worlders who don't care about the standard of work and just want the paycheck.
catdiscpalpita@reddit
Actual nazi party vs reformed nazi party
aghastamok@reddit
If the best way to describe your political beliefs is to reference the Nazis, you might be too close to the Nazis.
catdiscpalpita@reddit
Yeah they suck, unlike us with the popular political opinion. I feel the same way for those that have to feel better about their beliefs by referencing the other side as nazis.
aghastamok@reddit
âFormer Nazi partyâ is not some hysterical slur. SD was founded by people from Swedish fascist and neo-Nazi circles, then spent years sanding the edges off for electoral respectability. Read a fuckin book before you weigh in.
catdiscpalpita@reddit
Why would I care about san diego? Im not some pansy rockhead leg licker.
PlasticAssistance_50@reddit
Why?
SKRyanrr@reddit
Brother it's r/4chan
Luwuci-SP@reddit
Is no one going to mention how the map on the right paints a femboy in a crop top? These results are fully on-brand for Sweden.
Smorfty@reddit
The borders drawn are province borders. No statistics are ever done on a province level, it's always done on a county level. These numbers are, to no one's surprise, completely made up.
Lordsheetz@reddit
Its funny how the 2nd graphic says 64 percent... yet not one state/province is even below 65. How can it be 64 if the minimum is above the average???
Waffle_shuffle@reddit
4chan isn't really known to be a reliable source of anything except degeneracy. Should know that by now, buddy.
busterBeamCannon@reddit
Actually disgusting
small_brain67@reddit
yeah, European's fault anyways. They decided to accept it (at least the majority)
nitonitonii@reddit
nope, it was an US/Russia plan to weak the EU sending waves of refugees from their conflicts in middle east
Waffle_shuffle@reddit
The eu knows that can enforce their border controls right?
arbiter12@reddit
Sad part is, when you look at their election polls, the gerrymandering is so bad that the majority actually votes for nationalist party in numbers of voices, but the highly concentrated urban center vote with more weight and allow the left-wing parties to pass.
Efecto_Vogel@reddit
What? In my country (Spain) there is a proportional voting system in place which actually gives more weight to rural areas (there are way more representatives per people in lesser-populated areas). Yet they usually protest that they still are underrepresented. This is the case in most European countries as well. The thing is that people vote and not land, and people overwhelmingly live in cities, where the vast majority of economic activity also lies.
shangumdee@reddit
Every western European country is like: one progressive party gets in = instantly get 1 million migrants
Nationalist mega deportation gets into power = blocked by some unelected judge and ordered to pay migrants $10,000 each
yorii@reddit
I don't understand where you got this idea from, there's 349 seats in the Swedish parliament, the Sweden Democrats have 73 of those seats, 73/349 is 20.92%, and they received 20.54% of the total votes in the last election.
arbiter12@reddit
It would be very strange that the Swedes getting daily doses of stabbings and rpes would still be in love with open-doors immigration policies.
http://perseus.iies.su.se/\~tpers/papers/Preferential%20voting%20140109.pdf
https://www.euractiv.com/news/sweden-faces-political-impasse-after-far-right-election-gains/
RedditIsAboutToDie@reddit
Excuse me, oh my sweet summer child, ummm acksuallyâŚ
Man I know nothing about this subject but based on your replies Iâve come to the conclusion you are 100% right đ
FDdragon@reddit
Opinion discarded
oMGalLusrenmaestkaen@reddit
the paper you linked is so terrible, it's actually hilarious. literally zero citations for any of the hundreds of wild claims, random data analysis without a methodology, data source, control, or anything, and there isn't even a bibliography at the endđ
it reads more like an argumentative essay written from a 10th grader whose parents forced him to go to debate club than any actual self-respecting researcher.
NoPossibility4178@reddit
Dude you aren't even swedish lmao stfu
yorii@reddit
I'm sorry but what are you even talking about?
Molested-Cholo-5305@reddit
What are you implying?
ThisPresentation5291@reddit
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
Urbanism is a mental illness
stop_talking_you@reddit
yes the individual thought a human has when he is faced with hardship alone (countryside - urban life) compared to the city human is gigantic.
the person who lives in a city becomes a drone just like bees in a hive.
your life is dictacted by the city you live, all the thought around you become you. you will not be able to think as individual more a multipart brain with shared emotions.
and the weird thing is the people in a city thrive for the most individualistic stance, all thrive to dress unique, have unique interest try to be as unique as possible yet they fail as city people are easy identified.
its like a smell, its their thoughts, acts emotions and political opinions that let them glow like a torch in the night.
T_Ijonen@reddit
You should take your meds
ThisPresentation5291@reddit
stop_talking_you@reddit
you are scared of the truth
LJGuitarPractice@reddit
Youâre a propaganda sponge
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
What propaganda?
What
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
What propaganda?
What?
LordIVoldemor@reddit
Bro, thats EXACTLY what I was thinking. The corporate machine takes control of ones body when they (unknowningly) sell their soul to to feed it.
The truth is that the deep state is like a puppeteer that sways the masses like tidal waves from one spectrum of emotion to the other.
At first glance it seems like I am contradicting your claim that every city dweller aims to be unique, however it is because they all claim to be special that they become one and the same.
Many_Career_9035@reddit
Flyover man says flyover things while enjoying the technology city people made him.
stop_talking_you@reddit
4chan subreddit average iq score decreased over the last 5 years
countrybreakfast1@reddit
At this point city people are all third worlders except for a few holdouts who haven't got the memo yet
evangelism2@reddit
a republican complaining about gerrymander, holy fuck
AnubissWarior@reddit
Either you're terminally online or you admited average Republican to be well educated.
Andreas236@reddit
But he doesn't have "knowledge about the Swedish electorate system". His comment is complete bullshit with zero basis in reality. No party has received a majority of the votes in almost sixty years, and the Sweden democrats have never been even close to it. And in regards to gerrymandering, Sweden doesn't have a "bad" problem with it. Sweden actually uses leveling seats to ensure that the seat distribution in the Riksdag is proportional to the national vote, even if the voting districts were gerrymandered it wouldn't have any effect on the result.
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
evangelism2@reddit
an so they/you are an enlightened centrist?
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
Imagine being this directionbrained.
evangelism2@reddit
Imagine being this afraid to answer the question
ThisUsernameis21Char@reddit
Go back to Bluesky lmao
AnubissWarior@reddit
For some reason, it doesn't show any other comments, even mine lol.
Gerymandering doesn't really exist or at least to that scale in Europe as in America.
I understand the reaction of wanting to project Europian conservatism onto Republicans or vice versa, but it really is night and day case.
The issues and discussions you're having across the Atlantic don't apply as much here, so "gerymandering" isn't a valid criticism.
No to say that it is un USA, since both parties have been egregious about it since 1930s.
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
hes not even american, moron
Andreas236@reddit
What? That's not even how Swedish elections work.
First of all, we have way more than two parties (currently 8 in the Riksdag and even more that didn't make it) and a single party getting a majority of the votes is extremely rare, the last time it happened was in 1968, almost 60 years ago, when the Social Democrats got 50.1% of the vote. So no, the "nationalist party" does not have a majority.
Secondly, Sweden uses leveling seats to make sure the number of seats given to each party in the Riksdag is proportional to the number of votes each party received. Because of this gerrymandering is not possible in Sweden (at least not for the national elections). So, again, no, the gerrymandering isn't "bad", it's non-existent.
Hanza-Malz@reddit
The evil densely populated cities that have more people and therefore more voters. Clearly the 3 rural living dudes were the majority that election.
cheezycrusty@reddit
Weird, it's as if people that actually live with immigrants know that they're not the real problem...
Also "more weight" lol, in most european countries, every vote is equal (relevant example : Sweden has a direct proportional representation system > the majority does vote for who is elected, no "but muh popular vote isn't the same as the results")
regimentIV@reddit
Globalisation is not really something you can stop unless you stop being a part of the world market. For comparison the number of documented (!) native Spanish speakers in the USA rose from 11 million in 1980 to 43 million (+12 million who speak two languages at home) in 2023.
nicememeboss@reddit
Ah yess the famous inactive country in the world market of China, where barely any % of immigrants is.
regimentIV@reddit
China had a record immigration number in 2025. It's just hard to compare a country like China to any western country as the other variables are just so different (like desirability, standards of living, freedom, sheer number of native people) -- I did even shy away from choosing Canada as a comparison to Sweden in this matter because it has several official languages. But their migration numbers are also affected by recent globalisation trends.
NeverIntendedToHurt@reddit
What no economy and dictatorship for the previos 50 years pre 2010 does to a mf.
Also, no shared borders with other nations, which is way easier to control immigration for. Oh, and that china is not eternally stuck in a moral low ground because they weren't exploiting the whole of Africa for the last few hundred years (at least until recently).
Immigration to EU has been happening since likt the sixties. China was still a broken country getting exploited by that time.
PlasticAssistance_50@reddit
u dont need to have immigrants in your country to participate in trade with countries around the world
ZeeDyke@reddit
You do need immigrants in your country if your fertility/birthrates keep dropping and you want to maintain the same level (or growing) of consumerism and luxury that we now have.
And just happens that in Europe, and this example Sweden, birth rates have been dropping drastically.
Djcalied@reddit
Not true. Globalization =\= immigration
Onewithartandbook@reddit
Don't worry it will come for you Americans too. The moment they sink Europe, they will turn their eyes on you and start flooding in to your home to make it shit.
fatjoe19982006@reddit
LOL They already do
Morelike5gayam@reddit
I assume you're from the USA, is a 60% white country any better?
baran132@reddit
Actually fake data
TukTukThomas@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden
Seems pretty fucking accurate to me, if it's incorrect it's by 1 or 2 percent
countrybreakfast1@reddit
It actually pisses me off. No where else would this be forced upon its people than the west. Literally the nicest places on earth getting ruined.
SKRyanrr@reddit
When your fertility is abysmal what do you do also the sperm count among Nordic men are decreasing alarmly. Look up Denmark's male sperm dropping, you gotta import to keep the economy afloat also Germany and France taking in immigrants so it'll make swedes look bad if they dont.
Rigamortus2005@reddit
It's not even true use Google for once
TankerBuzz@reddit
Europe is cooked.
Ronkeager@reddit
If you believe this post you are cooked
TankerBuzz@reddit
You dont believe the numbers? Have you been there?
Ronkeager@reddit
I am Swedish you muppet
SillySeeker1@reddit
Pewds got outta there for a reason...
Vicster10x@reddit
I ate too many cupcakes as a kid and took a crap that looked exactly like that once.
--Markus@reddit
The Protestant Reformation and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
thisisntweedisit@reddit
Oh no another country with a population crisis
arbiter12@reddit
The arabic thickness of it...
Oh my God.... It even has a social security case-file....
_D4Z3_@reddit
The arabic thickness of it? are you regarded by any chance?
nihongonobenkyou@reddit
You can say retard
_Ross-@reddit
Sir, this is Reddit. We are all regarded.
chriske22@reddit
Kalergi plan
Eroclo@reddit
Swedistan
Cheery_Tree@reddit
How come none of those regions have a percentage as low as the national one? How is that possible?
I_use_Reddit2@reddit
No idea where OP got these statistics, quick google search and the census data shows itâs about 80% ethnic Sweeds
TMWNN@reddit
I cannot speak to the percentages' accuracy.
I do know, however, that Sweden has no language, income, employment, or skills requirement for obtaining citizenship.
In completely unrelated news, Arabic is now the second most spoken language in Sweden.
NeverIntendedToHurt@reddit
English 85%. Fix your link btw.
TMWNN@reddit
Working URL: https://web.archive.org/web/20210511231225/https://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/tribune/article_popover.aspx?guid=7047637a-c5f5-4297-9afa-a273dd443a9a
Vitality_VZ@reddit
Deserved.
Suitable_Ball_2835@reddit
shalom
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
Troonwaffen?
Suitable_Ball_2835@reddit
Social experiment
I find my comments are better received with this avatar
Vitality_VZ@reddit
64%
Gamer_chaddster_69@reddit
jew posting
Vitality_VZ@reddit
64%
TheMoonandTheThief@reddit
Lets make it 0% đđžđđżđđ˝
ctparty@reddit
In the mind of the racist American, immigrant = brown
Lot of white people immigrate here, because of work and because itâs a nice place to live
HudRoss@reddit
When people come in, the percentage changes. It's not like there are fewer swedes. There's just more nonswedes living there compared to the past. This is basic math. You're all lowk idiots.
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
Yet the rape rate has more than quadrupled for some reason.
Judah_Earl@reddit
This is wrong, the White population of the Sweden is 79%, higher than the US, which is 61%.
stop_talking_you@reddit
lets see paul allens stats to white population in high density city compared to low dense urban towns.
stop_talking_you@reddit
imagine going from the most feared ethnic region into this
SouthernMainland@reddit
Yeah I am going to need a source on this one lmao. You think a population of like 10 million is 3.5 million immigrants?
danielepro@reddit
are you still believing race related stuff coming from 4chan? Percentage is 20% in 2024, OP is pulling numbers from their ass.
Ok_WaterStarBoy3@reddit
Fernsong@reddit
Whatâs with the decline in the northernmost part of Sweden? Is there really demand to immigrate there, a Sami/Finnish increase, or something else?
Coelachantiform@reddit
I live in Norrbotten, and this "statistic" is simply pure fabrication. There are a few areas of Sweden that actually has a huge immigrant population, mostly MalmĂś & Stockholm. The rest is pretty much immigrant-free. Certainly not as high as 35% of the population lol.
Fernsong@reddit
Very interesting, thank you
aghastamok@reddit
This map contains very little actual data, it's just race-baiting.
Sweden has the same billionaire/populace split with the same need to pit the peasants against each other as the USA. They have a better situation because they continue to demand unions, healthcare, etc. so they don't have such a shit-ass time as Americans.
Alukrad@reddit
What am I looking at? I don't get it.
DctrJTAssassin@reddit
wtf
pbaagui1@reddit
Fuck em, buncha self righteous mfs
ChatiAnne@reddit
A small price to kill Arrowhead and Overkill.
arbiter12@reddit
fcking kek
But common! what about Payday 4!!!
rivent2@reddit
I see a worm in a crop-top