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FJkookser00@reddit

Easy justification. This is all Jewish law.

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I will just ignore how in your mind an omnipotent and omniscient being would make up a set of rules one time and later on make up a completely contradictary ruleset for realsies this time. How do you adress that the writers of the old testament clearly hold beliefs that are contradictory to christianity?

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FJkookser00@reddit

One of the great necessary challenges of life is the fact that we are entirely based in free will, especially now post-biblical civilization. Not a word of the Bible nor its original scripts was written by God himself. Only by men tasked with being interpreters, and societies made to live off those interpretations. However, as imperfect people with the capacity for selfishness and evil, we are generally unreliable. This is why we have so many religions and denominations of those religions. Men will make up whatever they want in order to exact control over other men. Divine Right is a key example: tyrants claim to be chosen by God so that makes all their behaviors justifiable. But they were never chosen; God doesn’t hand-pick rulers of society. God never made up 99% of the rules people think he did. Catholics and Protestants follow rules mostly made up by antiquated church leaders. Other Abrahamic religions like Judaism and Islam follow strict traditional practices that their ancient, yet human, rulers made up millennia ago. Ancient lands with baby-killing rituals were simply the results of egotistical subversion by men under the temptation of Satan at most, or stupid selfishness at least. Consider it this way: as a child, the authority is your parents. They make a few rules and you must follow them. But your older sibling, one day, decides to trick you and make up rules he wants you to follow — and he lies by saying “oh, Mom and Dad told me to tell you this.”

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Normal-Reference-834@reddit

So if the scribes of god were unreliable, how do you know anything they wrote was reliable? Is there a way outside of trusting the bible to learn gods instructions?

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FJkookser00@reddit

Yes, that is called faith. We are not yet able to know with certainty how the supernatural works, so, in operational optimism, we theorize with faith and hope that what we are told is right. The more we confirm with science, the further our understanding evolves, but first we must ask a question and hope for an answer before we experimentally discover one. Sometimes it involves a bit of common-sense cherry picking of good faith: it’s much more likely (and we would hope so) that the Ten Commandments are real and are true, and we can infer that some laws and traditions of Judea an the Pharisees and so forth that intentionally harmed and manipulated people were *not* accurate or truly the word of God. This is why Jesus was so important, and the concept of a physical messenger is in general: it’s something to tie these words on paper to. Assuming it was as real as it was written from its eyewitness accounts of the Apostles, Jesus performed miracles while preaching the benevolent word of God. If I were there to see those miracles, I’d me more inclined to believe the rules he claimed were real, because someone with legitimacy’s words and claims become quite reliable. There’s nobody like a Jesus specifically for those other rules and law systems: even Muhammad himself knew he wasn’t a miracle worker, just a self proclaimed prophet. In conclusion, it’s a combination of logical clues, eventual scientific evidence, an optimistic view, and a good chunk of faith and hope. You do not and cannot know everything, and so, some level of faith or belief is necessary in life in general, let alone the study of its origins and ontological morals that is religion.

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Normal-Reference-834@reddit

I still do not know how you came to know christianity to be the truth or why you're even bothering with the label of christianity if you judge the validity of bible passages based on vibes, unless you have received personal revelation yourself. In your worldview, the christian god could judge us by literally any set of rules and none of us would have any hope of knowing them, as he doesn't care to just make the clouds spell them out once a year.

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FJkookser00@reddit

Perhaps you are labeling me as some kind of Christian zealot who preaches the scripture or death, and can’t see me as anything other than that, but that isn’t who I am, clearly. You’re acting surprised that I’m not illogical in pondering my faith. I think that’s strange. Why?

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Normal-Reference-834@reddit

I am just confused since you don't even seem particularly convinced yourself that christianity is real.

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FJkookser00@reddit

There are many stops between “convinced” and “convinced otherwise”. A lot of that interlayer is theory, faith, or speculation. Most things we know are not the black-and-white endcaps of the spectrum. Especially things concerning such abstract and eldrich themes as ontological religion or even things such as greater quantum physics and other extremely complex concepts. I’m absolutely convinced that this world was not spontaneously created out of nothing. How exactly, to the letter, that a higher power created this world is still not perfectly well known. But popular, cross-referenceable, consistent religions like Christianity are strong contenders to gravitate towards.

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Normal-Reference-834@reddit

I don't know all the answers to the universe as well, but I am not as bought in to any answer as you seem to be. In all of our conversation you didn't really argue for christianity to be real, only for ways in which it might not be false. Maybe that's something to reflect on.

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FJkookser00@reddit

Why not be? Inaction and lack of commitment are poor attributes. I'm not trying to sell you something, and the fact that you think I should be concerns me. This shouldn't be an 'argument', I have no reason to sway you to or from something hinging my gain or loss. One of the best arguments for adopting a religious lifestyle is that you have everything to gain if it is true, nothing to lose if it is false. Even if Christianity turns out to be unequivocally untrue, that subtracts nothing from the objective goodness of avoiding stealing, lying, killing, or showing grace to other people, being honest, being committed to a relationship, et cetera. The commandments set forth are great to follow and hear guidance from whether or not the adjacent claims of creation and its end turn out to be truthful.

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critacious@reddit

You lose your time and money, which is limited by your lifespan. And with how many religions there are the chances you pick the correct one are basically nil so why bother?

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FJkookser00@reddit

You bother because again, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Adopting a religion does not take time from you, nor does it take money. Only predatory churches do that. I'm sad that your only measure of faith is entirely contained in popular evangelical culture -- and I am moreso sad that you care that much about money to equate it as a necessity in your physiological being. You should not reject helpful guidance on living a good life just because you're somehow afraid of being ridiculed by yourself for making an impossible decision on something nobody will ever fully understand. People are happier when they have something to ease the consciousness of existential questioning, even when you are not perfectly sure it is the "correct" answer -- which there really isn't yet the ability to define what is correct at all. You're afraid of judging yourself for being religious and its ability to help with living a more sound and ambitious life.

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BadgerMolester@reddit

You do a lot of yapping, but your last point is the important one imo. It's easier to have all of life's big questions answered for you, by some book or priest. But I can't just believe in something that I don't think is true just for the sake of it tho. I think having a religion must be nice, as long as your not a dick about it more power to you - unfortunately quite a lot of people are dicks about it tho lol.

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FJkookser00@reddit

As I keep saying, you have nothing to lose and all to gain. If what keeps you is some sense of pride or self-judgment, perhaps that in an of itself is a reason to look towards a faith. It’s not about answering questions easily and assuming you’re right, it’s about looking for a guidance system to answer them in the future.

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BadgerMolester@reddit

It's not pride or self-judgement, it's simply the fact that I don't believe. Doesn't matter if I want to or not, if I don't think something's real I can't believe in it haha. That's why I find peoples beliefs fascinating, that someone else can see the world in such a fundamentally different way to myself. And when I say answering questions easily, I mean answering the existenstential ones like "why are we here", "how did everything begin", "what is morally good", etc. These are all questions that religions answer for you. And when I say "assuming your right", I mean that is what religious faith is. There's been countless religions throughout the history of humanity, your just assuming that the one you follow is the right one.

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commentsandopinions@reddit

If Christianity was a societal neutral, nobody would have an issue with it. Instead, it functions with its original intention, influencing the populace. You are happily part of a system that you don't believe is an accurate depiction of reality that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths throughout history, actively protects pedophiles, is used to wage moral superiority wars that oppress women and minorities, and also suppresses the free growth of human society and culture. "Why can't we do xyz? Well because jerry said god will hate us forever if we do." You may say that "those are just the actions of so-called Christians, not real ones!" But you have told us that there is no real Christianity. There is nothing that we know is divinely inspired, everything is just written by men. And if there is no "true Christianity", then there is no basis for which to exclude people from the group. There is nothing that shows their actions are not just as in-line with God's desires as yours are. If what Christianity has to offer is what is written in the Bible, and the reason the Bible is special is because it's divinely inspired (otherwise there's no difference between it and chicken soup for the soul, besides a bit less slavery and child murder), then in what way is Christianity guiding anybody to lead a good life in a credible way? Are you following all of the practices endorsed in the Bible? No, you're not owning slaves, stoning wives, and you are wearing mixed fabrics. So you are not following Christianity's guidance, you are deciding how you want to live your life on your own, regardless of what the Bible says. This is a good thing. You just have not acknowledged that christianity isn't actually part of this equation for you.

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Normal-Reference-834@reddit

So in this conversation we went from you making theological arguments to you saying that christianity is just a fancy asthetic that makes you feel good. Again, I don't think that you have your own religious beliefs really figured out.

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commentsandopinions@reddit

Faith is belief. Believe is a statement about what you think will happen. It is up to you whether or not what you believe is based on evidence. For the most part you choose to believe things that *are* based on evidence. If I told you there was a purple unicorn sitting behind you, you wouldn't believe me because when you turn around there wouldn't be a purple unicorn. No evidence. You believe that if you turn the faucet knob water will come out, lots of evidence. However, you have realized that there is nothing divine about the bible. It is a book written by men, sometimes barely literate men that were squatting in dusty tents 2,000 years ago, thinking up whatever they could to tell a compelling story that will inspire, obedience. You acknowledge that religious texts don't provide evidence, yet the only reason you have to believe that there is any divinity in the first place is these very same religious texts, that you acknowledge don't provide any evidence. You may come to this understanding or not, but if you don't believe what is written in the Bible you aren't a Christian. According to the faith the books are divine, there word does have special meaning beyond what men have written. This is pretty ridiculous and you understand that. So the real question is when will you understand that there is no basis for your faith? The thing you believe is based on something that you acknowledge isn't real. It would be like if I received a scam text from someone using a friend's phone number, and a text said that if I wire $10,000, I'll receive 10 million for helping out a ousted Nigerian prince. Except in the meantime I have talked to that friend who told me that they didn't send that and that their number got hacked. But I still believed that I would get money if I helped out the very real prince. The reason I thought that in the first place is known to be false. Yet, I still believe. The question you need to ask yourself is, do you?

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matheverything@reddit

> ...some level of faith or belief is necessary in life in general... Why?

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FJkookser00@reddit

Try to reflect on this, and note how vast the list of things applied are: Nobody knows everything at any given point. In many, many, MANY things, you will have to suppose an answer, guess, utilize your beliefs, put faith in something you're not empirically sure of, trust someone's word, make choices based on correlations instead of causations, and so forth. Knowledge and intellect are not black and white, and living as such will shred your lifestyle into bits without you even knowing it.

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commentsandopinions@reddit

>you will have to suppose an answer, guess, utilize your beliefs, put faith in something you're not empirically sure of, trust someone's word, make choices based on correlations instead of causations, and so forth. People do this based on evidence. You suppose an answer based on similar situations you've experienced and how they turned out, you trust someone's word only if they've given you reason to trust their word, etc. Decisions based on evidence. Also at no point do you *have* to make decisions based on correlations, if you're well informed. >Knowledge and intellect are not black and white, and living as such will shred your lifestyle into bits without you even knowing it. Do you have evidence for this?

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matheverything@reddit

Being comfortable with uncertainty is not the same thing as faking certainty. Everyone has to be comfortable with uncertainty. I cross the street not *really* knowing if a car is going to hit me. I have a lot of anecdotal evidence, but it's not scientific. I choose to do it anyway. What I don't have to do is "have faith" that a car won't hit me. Religious faith involves *adopting* a belief without sufficient support. It's fundamentally different from acting *in spite of* the poor quality of your belief. You're not the first person to try and convince me that just being human requires believing something unfalsifiable or unsupported. I've reflected on this plenty.

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PineapplesAndPizza@reddit

Not a theists here but I've thought about this. You could follow the kernel of truth, the connecting line between all religions. If something holy exists and its affected every single religion then their shared elements could be the truth. Some say you can rely on faith and the holy spirit to guide you to the right path. This is pretty much vibes based but I think empathy would play a huge role in doing the right thing. We could potentially philosophically reach a consensus through the use of reason, logic and history. Battle of ideas until we achieve some sort of synthesis in the distant future. Orrrrrr we really never can. In this situation we just accept our flaws as man and simply strive and struggle on a daily baises to overcome them and hope that its enough. All oversimplified, and there's entire arguments that could be had for each with many pros and cons but its what I got so far.

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Fungruel@reddit

Trust me bro, my uncle told me and he works at heaven

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thezuke67@reddit

No Christian I've ever met has answered this correctly, and many atheists as well. In fact, Jesus specifically says that he has not come to "rewrite the law of Moses" (Old Testament, 10 Commandments, etc.). He was sent by God to 1. Sacrifice himself to cleanse and forgive humanity of its original sin and 2. *Clarify, interpret, and add on to the existing Judaic system of law.* There are plenty of points from different books of the Bible that Jesus will purposely contradict something from the Old Testament, but he *by his own admission* did not just "wipe the slate clean" and start over concerning religious law.

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inthebushes321@reddit

Most Christians don't read the Bible or understand their own religion, which is why this never gets brought up. "That's the Old Testament" arguments out the person as a Cafeteria Christian or some other category of person who just believes whatever they're told. No OT means no Creation Story. No Abraham. No Genesis. No Original Sin. No prophecies... it's a huge cop out so they don't have to explain some of the more ridiculous things in the OT (like God's explicit approval of slavery, no tattoos, etc).

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thezuke67@reddit

100% yes. Thought about editing my comment to add in exactly what you expanded on, but then the original post got deleted. Appreciate the intelligent response lol

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AmbulantCholesterol@reddit

Just have faith bro, it's just that simple

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commentsandopinions@reddit

Except Jesus is God, according to the Trinity.

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Razor265@reddit

Easy, Jod took human form one time and went "Fuck, this is what it's like to be human? No wonder you losers sin all the fucking time, I gotta make some changes to the rules." That or it's all made up. Starwars cannon changes all the time and only fucking losers get upset about it.

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Imperator_Aetius@reddit

You, my friend, have stumbled into gnosticism.

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shutupyourenotmydad@reddit

Holy shit I can't believe I found someone who understands the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament in the wild.

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commentsandopinions@reddit

You know jesus and god are the same person, according to christians, right? The rationalization, within christian canon, that is being made here is: "I, the all knowing super being was not wrong to send bears to maul children or tell jewish tribes to commit genocide, no that was simply someone else who was wrong... yes that "someone else" was also me but it doesn't count"

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shutupyourenotmydad@reddit

It's more complex than that, but I'm not up for a theological discussion on the internet.

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commentsandopinions@reddit

It isn't and and you don't have an explanation that holds water.

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shutupyourenotmydad@reddit

Okay you win 👍

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denny31415926@reddit

From Jesus' Sermon on the Mount (NIV): For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

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FJkookser00@reddit

From the **Law.** Keyword, **Law**, This is Jesus telling us about society, and how it is organized and civil. Not telling us "the rules of ancient societies that chose to directly contradict the Ten Commandments should be followed".

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quantifical@reddit

Which Jesus himself made clear is still valid in Matthew 5:18

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HamBlamBlam@reddit

That must be why all the Christians I know are so passionate about helping the poor, caring for sick people, loving immigrants, and not judging people.

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ooahupthera@reddit

Why does it always circle back to immigrants with you peoole lmfao

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FJkookser00@reddit

I agree, most people who have legitimate connections to the faith are pretty kind people.

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johndoe_420@reddit

>most people who have legitimate connections to the faith are pretty kind people no true scotsman...

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FJkookser00@reddit

I’m afraid I don’t understand, all I’m saying is that people who dedicate their lives to faith are more outwardly personable than regular people who go to church. You maybe live in a country where most people are the latter, not the former, but in many places, there are large populations of monks and nuns and such other ordainers of the faith. Those people are quite nice.

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johndoe_420@reddit

you can't just make sweeping generalizations about a group of people (most of X are good, all of X are bad) while trying to cover for the exceptions by saying "that is, if they are **really** part of X" the "no true scotsman fallacy" is a well known fallacy that shouldn't be made in an honest discussion. you can say the monks and nuns you've met were quite friendly but to claim that most monks or clerics or whatever are good people, is just wishful thinking. the fallacy comes in when you say that if there are monks who are bad people, they're obviously not devoted to the faith enough and are therefore not *true* monks / "true scotsmen".

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spectraldominoc@reddit

Me when the only interaction i have in the outside world is my mom and dad telling me to get a job and stop being on reddit 24/7 happen to be Christian

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crimsonpowder@reddit

EZ \- Kings: na'ar can also mean young men. They were ripping on a prophet, basically against God. This is almost as bad as delinquents skateboarding outside a Kroger. Away with them. \- Ezekiel: Allegory of Israel being a ho. An example of bad. Hit up Bibi for more modern day examples. \- Psalm: War refugees expressing grief. Anon has reading skill issue. \- Ephesians/Titus/Timmy: Paul writes to people already in slavery, offers a bit of dignity in a brutal system. Also calls slavery evil and asks master to free his slave. Anon doesn't understand because is NEET and not wagemaxxed and corpocucked, which today is basically the same thing. \- Numbers: non-combatants taken captive. Not endorsed, descriptive not prescriptive. \- Job: Book exploring nature of suffering. Bible questioning itself, not presented literally. Anon should understand suffering well (for example ketchup stains on favorite waifu pillow) \- Elohim: "majestic plural" in Hebrew. Text immediately talks about Yahweh in the singular. Not getting this is first year reddit stuff. \- Psalm: hierarchy presented, God is above all lesser things we humans would incorrect call "gods" with a little g. There is no point here, just reading comprehension that you have to muster up between loli sessions. In short, anon is fake & gay, doesn't get topped enough (clearly too much free time), and his all-tendie diet has malnourished his gray matter.

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Stonklegend27@reddit

Your explanation for the Numbers verse is literally "nuh-uh." If orders from a prophet, who by no means lost the grace of God at that point, were to be condemned, they would absolutely be condemned in text. For the 99% who will never look it up, here's Numbers 31:17-18: "Now kill, therefore, every male among the children and kill every woman who has had sexual relations with a man. But you may spare for yourselves all the girls who have not had sexual relations."

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crimsonpowder@reddit

Reading issue. Reddit loves to trot this one out. Notice that this verse is said and commanded by Moses, not Yahweh.

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lavafish80@reddit

thank you good sir

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echo_ink@reddit

Reddit atheists will ignore this comment.

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darkcomet222@reddit

Ezekiel is calling Israel a ho; meanwhile, Hosea is straight up calling Israel a whore.

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Minky_Dave_the_Giant@reddit

Job is absolutely presented as literally anything else in the bible.

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IAmNotDickCheney@reddit

Not quite, it's in the poetry section, along with Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, & Song of Songs

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Davey_boy_777@reddit

My brother in Christ, thank you for writing this all out so I don't have to.

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Sen-oh@reddit

>book claims book isn't literal >book claims spiritual(emotional) matters aren't for your conscious mind to process, but your subconscious >people read the book literally(blasphemy) >people are confused why the book doesn't make sense This is a pretty common outcome. You see, people aren't interested in improving themselves. They're interested in dragging others down so that they can do what they want and still seem pretty alright by comparison. We love to watch each other fail, because we can give ourselves an excuse to be nothing and still feel like we've won. That's why the book says many are called, (everyone feels that hole inside of them that makes them want more for themselves, and better for those they care about. It's supposed to be uncomfortable; you're supposed to feel like a loser if you are acting like one etc) but few are chosen. If you wanna follow Jesus, ask where he went. Where is the mountain located? Where is the place Jacob wrestled with himself until morning? It's all in your head, anon.

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Normal-Reference-834@reddit

How nice that all the unconvenient bible passages are simply not meant to be interpreted literally. Please tell me for which spiritual purposes god decided to include verses advocating for infanticide, rape and slavery in his little holy book then.

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Sen-oh@reddit

The bible was written by people. And the convenient parts are also not meant to be interpreted literally either. The picking and choosing was the problem in the first place. The humans who wrote it were using metaphors aimed at their contemporaries at the time. Talking to someone who owns a farm and uses slaves, and trying to tell them about a complex psychological concept, you'd use a metaphor/analogy/parable relevant to their life. Well, if you wanted them to understand you. If you were trying to explain such a thing to an engineer today, you'd use math terms. You'd reference fulcrums and physics. If in a thousand years, engineering becomes frowned upon, your analogy will be offensive if taken literally. Imagine thinking you're describing some actual machine you intended to build. Imagine the horror a future society who has been traumatized by and has moved away from technology would feel at reading about your plans. You could include lines in your instructions that explicitly explain not only that it's an analogy, but even providing the key. They wouldn't read it. We know that about people. Look at online drama. People decide and run with it based on a headline or a thumbnail, never having examined the evidence. Do you think back then we were any better?

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commentsandopinions@reddit

If the Bible is just a book written by people, then it is no different from any other book that is just written by people, such as chicken noodle soup for the soul.

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Sen-oh@reddit

You could say that about any psychology or self help book. 'who are you to tell me?' On the surface, just a nobody with a fancy title. But something true is just as true said by a king as by a crackhead.

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commentsandopinions@reddit

Yes exactly. I'm hoping you agree with me that you should not go to war, police people's lives, defend child rapists, oppress minorities, control medical care, or submit money to/for the people who own the rights to Chicken Soup for the Soul? Except, an amount of psychology and self-help books are written by people who have spent the better part of their lives engaged in evidence-based research on the topic they're talking about which makes them infinitely more credible than barely literate desert dwellers squatting and dusty tents 2,000 years ago.

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Raymondator@reddit

Urm aktchuealleay, my denomination says we need to take everything in the bibble at its word and as literally as possible and if you dont you’re a dirty ***CATHOLIC*** and God wont even send you to hell hes gonna torture you himself!

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Sen-oh@reddit

Then your denomination was designed by a foreign adversary in order to erode your relationship with yourself/god. And it's part of the official Christian body within America. Seriously tho, you ever pull out the bible in front of someone who grew up in a regular normies church? Instant yawns, automatic response. Church trains you to be allergic to reading the bible

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commentsandopinions@reddit

If Christians read the Bible they wouldn't be Christians. Because that means they could read.

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Sen-oh@reddit

If you read the bible, you either do it literally and become an atheist or you look below the surface and become a gnostic. Either path will get you kicked out of most churches.

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drak0ni@reddit

The bible practically acknowledges other gods. It’s just commanded that no other god is to be worshipped as above or equal to YHWH. He is the supreme. The creator of earth, heaven, sky, stars, and all life. The bible asks you to treat him as the one and only God, not that all other gods don’t exist. In fact, 3 beings are considered to comprise God. YHWH, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ are all meant to be treated as God. Also, Old Testament God was meant to be a feared king, not a benevolent guardian. Jesus Christ is the version of God that is supposed to be loving and forgiving. His father allows him to be sacrificed to endure the suffering that he had planned to let all of humanity endure in their place. No one who knows scripture thinks that YHWH is supposed to be the nice one. This all reads like some middle aged, edge lord, atheist with no base knowledge of scripture googled some oft regurgitated anecdotes from atheism forums just to feel morally superior to the holier-than-thou Christians that exist only in his head. And I don’t even believe in God.

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commentsandopinions@reddit

>YHWH, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ are all meant to be treated as God. (The one and only god!) >Old Testament God was meant to be a feared king, not a benevolent guardian (And the new god is different, except they are the same person....? ...uh oh.) Pick one. They're either all the same person, and everything done in the Old testament was done by the very same Jesus Christ who tells us to love our neighbors and pay our taxes and all that jazz, or they aren't and Jesus isn't God, was just some guy, and everyone in the past 2000 years is going to hell because they're not following God's actual directions. Then, you'll also have to contend with the fact that the all-knowing superperson was, according to himself, wrong a whole bunch of times about the core of what it means to follow said superperson's desires. They sound confused. There is also the fact that the entire premise of why the Bible is something to listen to is because the all knowing creator of the universe is all knowing, and said so.... except the Bible says they aren't actually all knowing.... OR we can just accept that one of many poorly written books designed to play on people's superstitions in order to enforce certain behaviors in white swaths of society is... just that, a poorly written, contradiction-full, fairy tale that plays on your ability to be indoctrinated as a child and your fear of death/ostracization as an adult. Your choice.

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spottydogwoodbark@reddit

Eh he made it he can do whatever he wants with it I guess

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LukeTheDieHardLeafer@reddit

They will just say “well which bible is this from? Not mine? Well then” or “which section is it from? Oh you’re taking it out of context then”

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Stonklegend27@reddit

Second one's my favorite. It's 90% of religious discourse on subs like this >"That's out of context" Ok explain how the context changes the interpretation \*no response\*

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Davey_boy_777@reddit

"They'll just have explanations, ugh... Christians, amirite??"

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Mr_Evanescent@reddit

What? They’re able to simply answer my 85 IQ gotchas? Impossible!

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echo_ink@reddit

1. Psalms are not prescriptive they are descriptive. 2. We are all wage slaves. The Bible does not condone chattel slavery (e.g. buying and selling of people). 3. Call for rape is descriptive no prescriptive. 3. Elohim is both plural and singular, it's obvious the authors of the old testament were talking about one God above other gods, but the concept of monotheism didn't exist. Like half the old testament is about the Isrealites constantly trying to go back to polytheism of their ancestors.

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OzuraTayuu@reddit

worse yet about Ezekiel 22: the men with donkey dicks gangrape two inpoverished little girls. presumably to death. this is viewed as objectively good by YHWH.

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zombieGenm_0x68@reddit

the bear was just a prank he was just trolling

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GodofSad@reddit

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A__Whisper@reddit

\>"Christians, justify this!!1" \>Look inside \>Jewish scripture and law

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Mr_Evanescent@reddit

It’s always this same regarded Redditor posting the anti Christian thinkslop. He’s definitely posting his own highly regarded greentexts

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rgjsdksnkyg@reddit

Ezekiel 23:20 is trying to make the figurative lust of Jerusalem and Samaria seem disgusting and shocking, but as a furry, I guess I find this appealing or something.

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CompulsiveDoomScroll@reddit

This is a non-issue, simply solvable by not engaging seriously with people who use their religious views (any of them) to argue about anything outside their private life

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implementor@reddit

Plurality at that point in the Hebrew language was also used to denote "greatness", or "power", so, it didn't necessarily mean plural gods. That's why you only hear stuff about this from people who have very little knowledge of the subject and got this take from someone else.

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BingBongFyourWife@reddit

Are any of these allegories

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Slide-Maleficent@reddit

https://i.redd.it/souzv8vfo1sg1.gif

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TimeGlitches@reddit

I want to learn the power to projectile liquid vomit on command.

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Victor-Baxter@reddit

> 2 kings 2:23-25 Based, book named after Norwood kings > Ezekiel 23:20 Based, god is telling me I can fuck Judy Hopps > Psalm 137:9 Evil babies > Ephesians 6:5 Evil slaves > Titus 2:9, 1 Timothy 6:1 He's specifically taking in reference to dominatrices > Numbers 31:18 Nuh uh > job The impractical jokers was a good show > Genesis This is a reference to the break up of the band Genesis and the solo career of Phil Collins > psalm 82 No it doesn't

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xBAMFNINJA@reddit

Alter boys in comments all mad rn cuz they took one for the team for nothn lmao

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TimeGlitches@reddit

Old testament, cronish judaen barbarism. New testament, capitalist Jesus.

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HamBlamBlam@reddit

If you don’t actually read the bible, you don’t see any of this stuff. Problem solved.

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hornwalker@reddit

“I’m doing my part” -Most Christians

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Letters_to_Dionysus@reddit

don't need to defend the bear one, it is justified

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Gnosis1409@reddit

Do you think God just manifested a bear or do you think he just had one on standby in case some kids needed to be taught a lesson?

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Letters_to_Dionysus@reddit

threw the bear like this. ![gif](giphy|i2GADdaJIscPS)

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UpboatOrNoBoat@reddit

Woe, bear be upon ye

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Maiq_the_liar_23@reddit

Christians and religious people in general just pick the bits that make them feel good and ignore the rest. Its that simple anon. You cant expect a religious text to make complete sense thats too much to ask for. Just give me money to fix gods church roof

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mrbobcyndaquil@reddit

Typical 'Nordic' /pol/slop

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TrueGootsBerzook@reddit

Counter argument: https://preview.redd.it/ix8tp1xhm1sg1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a7e65990616179739970517f813e647b7039a3d

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