We are seeing the collapse of the Western Empire?
Posted by Hot-Acanthisitta5237@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 143 comments
The collapse of the western empire is imminent. No empire lasts forever. The Iran War is speeding up the end of the mighty American empire. Not just America but great powers like the UK, France (being kicked out of Africa), Italy, Germany, Canada? What are your predictions for the end of this decade?
dresden_k@reddit
Not just the Western Empire, kid.
This is the end of the whole goddamn thing. It's slow. It started already. It's going to drag on for a long time.
The players you've identified aren't the great powers. They're on the board. They're visible. They have pronounceable names. The great powers meet on private islands and determine the next decade's highlights over expensive food and liquor while trafficking and laughing with each other.
Predictions? Life is going to get worse for everyone for the next several hundreds or thousands of years.
Planet is polluted. No way to clean that up.
We're out of easy to get fossil fuels. Without the energy equivalent of 100 million barrels of oil a day plus everything we get from coal and natural gas, we starve, freeze, riot, kill each other. Nothing we have can replace that. If our empire goes away, the people living in the ruins in 50 years won't have the means to do anything better. Low-energy future for the rest of human species' history.
It's not just the West. It's China. It's every human on this planet. There are no safe zones. Bunkers don't keep you safe for a million years. They might keep you safe a couple weeks. Maybe months, tops. You run out of literally any one thing you need for survival and you're dead. No bunkers can store everything you need to survive indefinitely.
By the end of the decade, who knows. I won't bet against those odds. There will be black swans. Major elements of globalization will collapse. Maybe the EU. Maybe a civil war in a country we thought was stable, ten years ago. Consumer goods will be replaced with survival items. Goodbye iPods, hello generic grey blankets.
Uncertainty in everything. Unemployment for the majority of the population. The governments of the world will absolutely push for stability at all costs. We'll get welded into our apartments and fed rice mixed up with cardboard flakes and Xanax if it keeps us quiet.
Hot-Acanthisitta5237@reddit (OP)
Shows that countries/civilizations based on natural resources is finite. Secondly I think ironically, Africa will come out of this unscathed.
dresden_k@reddit
Without trillions of dollars' worth in aid from the developed world, Africa collapses, unfortunately.
Hot-Acanthisitta5237@reddit (OP)
They have so much natural resources worth trillions of dollars and untapped biodiversity too.
dresden_k@reddit
You're not understanding something about collapse. At +4C, with a collapse of the economic system, Africa is in trouble.
TheArcticFox444@reddit
Yes. I didn't want to live to see it but, thanks to decades in lowered standards and the end result of a Trump administration, I probably will. I've said this many times...the sooner the better. Humanity will suffer but the planet will benefit.
Lights Out!
redditmodsRrussians@reddit
I hate the assumption that the planet will benefit. From flora to fauna, we've mangled so much of it and it simply wont magically recover due to the amount of plastics and other toxic shit in the system. We've done enough damage to the ecology that it will require dedicated effort from humans to repair it, if we want to continue to exist in any meaningful manner. Im talkin like Forerunner-esque Shapers type system where entire groups of the population is completely dedicated to rehabilitating the planet. I dont know how we get there while large segments of the population are just gas lighting themselves into thinking a cosmic space daddy is gonna save them or nothing matters because this is natural or things will just magically work out.
We are probably all gonna be turbo fucked into a cocked hat by the end of 2040. It will probably take centuries to even begin to recover and we will be working with a significantly smaller population. Like, im talking maybe Roman era population levels as food production without modern tech will basically mean 95% of the population evaporates.
TheArcticFox444@reddit
It would benefit from no further damage being done to it.
We will never recover a high-tech lifestyle once our current one ends. From the standpoint of natural resources, we've used up the low-hanging fruit that could be reached with a pick axe and shovel. Now, it takes high-tech to reach those resources.
Quercus408@reddit
I dunno. I worry about the bitter resource war that will likely fill the gap between pre and post collapse.
TheArcticFox444@reddit
Humans build civilizations and they eventually fizzle. They usually go down by jolts and some recovery then another jolt. The trend over time is downward. We've been jolting downward for some time. The final collapse is usually sudden, however. We are dependent upon electricity which is dependent on oil.
We are facing an asymmetrical military situation which we are not prepared for. True, we have systems that can shoot down drones but they cost millions to build, factories to assemble, and months of training to operate. Iran uses cheap drones built with off-the-shelf, untraceable components that can be assembled in someone's garage, easy to operate and can be transported via a pickup truck.
So, expensive to protect against...we'll, you can figure the rest out. I've referred to this as 9/11 on the cheap.
Eiswolf999@reddit
It’s not imminent. Collapse has no day X. It’s all a slow burn, and we’re in it. Like environmental collapse. Like the sixth mass extinction. Have fun.
chimengxiong@reddit
It's a slow burn until it's not.
DonBoy30@reddit
And people don’t fall victim to collapse in a uniformed way. You lose your job before the bank that owns your mortgage collapses, you lose your home. You could argue there’s homeless people now who are the early victims of an already collapsing society.
SuccessfulIntern8884@reddit
I'm hoping I will not have to pay bills! :-)
godlords@reddit
Nope, just reload bullets.
wesley_the_boy@reddit
That's a really interesting way to view homelessness; a symptom of a society collapsing in stages, rather than the personal failing of individuals.
TPtheman@reddit
We live in a society where one or two missed checks or a hospital visit is enough to completely bankrupt most Americans, mental illness is on the rise, and homelessness is nearly impossible to escape.
The biggest test of a society's longevity and strength is how it treats the people at the bottom.
BeefamDev@reddit
There are enough empty houses in the US to give every homeless people in the country a home currently, but the epstein class will make money if there's a collapse, so they just don't care.
No_Opening_2425@reddit
Proof? Please don’t say Rome
Hilda-Ashe@reddit
Battle of Qadisiyyah, 636 CE. The history of Persia is pretty much divided into before it and after it.
squeezemachine@reddit
Why do you say that?
neonium@reddit
It would be better if it was called the crumbles, tbh.
It's a slow process, for most of the fall.
ElephantContent8835@reddit
It’s not necessarily a slow burn. Most empires/nations collapse extremely quickly but everyone uses Rome as a comparison. I suspect one day soon we will wake up and Murica and the Western horseshit will just be finished.
---O-0---@reddit
The British empire was pretty much done by the end of WW2.
In the current age, there won't be a parallel until another country takes over the mantle. The US still has the wealth needed to protect its interests.
shastatodd@reddit
40T in debt is wealth?
---O-0---@reddit
Yes? 26% of the world's GDP is from the US. Also factor in the market cap of US businesses, and US natural resources. The US dollar as the world's reserve currency?
Eiswolf999@reddit
Hmmm… I was born in a country that no longer exists. It was a noticeable, decades long collapse. Every collapse involves a system that slowly crumbles until it can no longer function. You can repair parts, you can even keep it stable for a while, but it is already collapsing, failing in a state of systemic breakdown. The only prevention is to address the root cause of the failure, or let it break and rearrange. Otherwise, it will keep failing and collapsing until the system has no choice but to take a new form. “Slow burn” means that no meteorite will hit, there is no day X. Everything is a process, no matter if you are aware of it 20 years before it happens, or a month, or a week. But… hmm… you could argue that day X is the moment a person becomes aware of the process. What is a slow burn for one person might be a sudden, unforeseeable failure for someone else. The US will lose its hegemonic status sooner or later. It is already in motion, as far as I can tell. It will either adapt or cease to exist. Will it happen tomorrow? Probably not. Has it been in motion for a while? Depending on who you ask, since the Reagan era. For me, it was George Bush Jr.’s era.
I would argue that every empire and nation crumbled long before its collapse, unless some catastrophe intervenes, and eventually transforms into a new form. Even a revolution is a process, not a fast one. The root causes must be present for a while.
PracticeY@reddit
You ask an even older person like 70-80 years old, they’ll say the JFK assassination set it into motion. That is the problem. People have been claiming imminent collapse forever. What they don’t understand is that it has always been this way, human nature and the world at large is not the happy place your parents and teacher convinced you of.
The world has continued on functioning in this most dysfunctional way since the beginning. The “signs” of collapse are just the same things that have been happening over and over. Of course we might see it one day, but there is also a good chance it won’t happen in our lifetime or our children’s lifetime. The can will be kicked down the road indefinitely.
gc3@reddit
Thinking that America won't collapse per set unless Trump has a third term, but American Hegemony is seeing a major crisis. I expect to fade out like Britain not collapse into separate nations
Hot-Acanthisitta5237@reddit (OP)
Yeah, it will most likely fade out like the UK.
NeedleworkerFull9395@reddit
Yes,but we're seeing a breakdown of the post WW2 order.I don't think we'll be seeing the same dysfunctional functioning like we have seen for the last seventy-something years.
rotcarttaegnarts@reddit
I've come to realise that the reason people have always talked about imminent collapse or that "the end of the world is nigh" is that actually, collapse is happening all the time, constantly. It's only through continued input of energy, resources and innovation that this continual decay is counteracted. Once the rate of decay exceeds the rate of growth, then decline and collapse ensue.
americend@reddit
This is like a regression in understanding history and collapse. While I can agree that the belief tjat world is ending is a kind of constitutive myth of civilization, some periods really did harbor significant declines in social complexity which oustripped any tendency towards regeneration. If your only metric for assessing whether things are bad is what people consciously believe, you aren't going to get very far.
03263@reddit
No way, the people who are used to that way of life will still be around and still struggling to make something work no matter what the global economy looks like. It should take multiple generations before the mindset disappears.
firekeeper23@reddit
What does being finished look like do you think?
chimengxiong@reddit
It's a slow burn until it's not.
Known_Expression1308@reddit
It's slow until the nukes drop then it's all at once
bowsmountainer@reddit
Well sometimes there is a day X. And even gradual collapses still have one particular day that goes down in history as the day of the collapse.
Eiswolf999@reddit
The Western Roman Empire collapsed on September 4, 476 AD (thanks, Google). It was still a process, no day X. Just because Odoacer deposed the last emperor, Romulus Augustulus (thanks again, Google), doesn’t mean this was an isolated event, possible without a process. Others would say the collapse began in 410 AD with the sack of Rome (man, Google is awesome). Others would start with the 406 AD crossing of the Rhine (what a time to be alive). All of this was a process. All of this was the collapse. Oh, some argue that day X was 480 AD, the death of Julius Nepos (ok, enough Google).
bowsmountainer@reddit
Well yeah I mean the roman empire is the classic "long drawn out decay" one wirh lots of discussion. And even then different historians point to one day in particular that marks the end of the empire.
But not all empires are like that. Just look at the Byzantinian empire. That also had a longer decay but the end still undoubtedly fell on one particular day. Or even more notably, look at the fall of the Aztec empire.
Eiswolf999@reddit
Wasn’t the Byzantine Empire already in a process of collapse before Constantinople was sacked? I mean, yeah, I get it, we can assign a date, but… was day X the Sack of Constantinople? Or the recapture of Constantinople? Or the fall of Constantinople? Or would you argue day X was the fall of Trebizond?
Oh, the Aztecs… so was day X the arrival of Hernán Cortés in Mexico? Or the fall of Tenochtitlán? Or the beginning of the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire from 1519 to the 1530s?
Yep, Google. xD
I mean, I get your point, but the more I got into this whole collapse topic, the more I realized that dates are meaningless. The process is what matters. It’s basically never imminent unless a giant space rock hits or something along those lines.
GauchiAss@reddit
My prediction is that US will still be #1 economy by the end of the decade. They'll take us out with them if they aren't at the top.
China is the only serious contender and they'd rather wait out a slow 50 year collapse to take over bit by bit.
miriam_tiana@reddit
When I studied Revolutions in history, we saw causes in events set far back and in other lands. The American Revolution would not have taken place had it not been for France's financing. Then the French Revolution would not have taken place had it not bankrupted itself financing America's.And the Russian Revolution had financial backing from Nordic countries. There was a steamroller effect.
werethealienlifeform@reddit
AI and climate change the equation entirely. It could all collapse within 20 years.
adamsoutofideas@reddit
The American way of life is fundamentally unsustainable. The more any culture tries to mirror the US, the further it moves from health and sustainability.
I think any culture with its roots and culture formed before oil and the rise of the American empire have a chance of surviving in the comparatively very lean world we're heading into. Canada I dont think will adapt well to returning to small, functional communities running on solar and actual horsepower... which is where I think the bar for sustainability actually is: work powered by life and only life or carbon derived from life inside the biosphere, like charcoal from trees. If you can imagine your neighbours living like that, I think you've got a shot as a culture. But if you need highways and cars (ev included) and planes and tractors, you're cooked.
The USA is 100% cooked because its culture and lifestyle is 100% consumption of oil. The American influence in all cultures is exactly what needs to be removed for sustainability to be achieved. Basically, we need to un-live the last 100 years or so and go back to literal horsepower and tightly knit communities that are mostly self sufficient inside themselves.
ChipStewartIII@reddit
Not suggesting my community is representative of most of Canada, but you’ve pretty accurately described my village of 1000’ish Ontarians.
Very self-sufficient, agricultural, collective of ecologically/sustainabilty focused people.
Canada may not fare as well on the whole, but this little village will.
And, I agree. Small, functional communities focused on working and living with what we are able to sustainably use, and no more, I think is the path forward.
Few_Ad6516@reddit
Does self sufficiency include making agricultural equipment, fuel, fertilizer, ammunition, etc? Small functional societies require the global supply chain as much as anywhere else. Unless you are willing to devolve to back breaking manual labor with a warrior class to protect your women and children.
ChipStewartIII@reddit
As much as can reasonably be expected whilst still having access to global supply chains, I guess. Fuel, ammunition, equipment production - I understand what you’re saying. We don’t have all of that, obviously. Nor are we a purely agrarian, fully self-sufficient village. Not that it’s needed quite yet.
That said, I would argue that the local community here will be one that is better positioned than many to make the necessary transition when the need truly arises.
These are families who have been using rotational farming and managing small-head animal husbandry to sell meat to nearby neighbours for a 150 years or more.
Lots of solar, some hydro generation, local markets, significant bartering (acreage lending in exchange for annual meat allowances, for example). Small, quite unknown village surrounded by 7 big hills, with a local reservoir filled with heaps of edible fish and tons of nearby wildlife.
Is it perfectly primed and ready to simply flip the switch to being immediately fully self-sufficient? Of course not.
But I like where it’s starting from.
jaymickef@reddit
The question is, can you defend it? Because the US may not care where the borders are on maps.
adamsoutofideas@reddit
Quebec is much better suited for a run from the US. They'll fight to the last person, for one, they also have this one town ive had my eye on because of an invention that's one of a kind, no moving parts, and could power a small town.
It's in need of unknown repairs but if it can be fixed it would solve so many problems.
I dont know if the US poses as much of a threat as most people think. I expect they'll mostly kill each other off on their way here and run out of ammo/supplies. Every highway will be completely blocked. I really think horseback and bowyer...ism? Will be the way to go. Ammunition runs out leaving paper weights. If you can see bows in trees, you're always an axe away from a serviceable weapon. Wheels are useless without clear roads. It's why the wheel took so long to invent, despite how much grief we give our ancestors for taking so long to come up with it.
ArugulaAcrobatic4018@reddit
What is it?
ChipStewartIII@reddit
Oh, absolutely not. I’m not naive with respect to our inability to defend ourselves should the US decide to flex its’ military might. All we can do is hope we remain unnoticed.
We likely won’t, but it’s not like we can do much about that.
jaymickef@reddit
Agreed. Although it's why I am cautiously optimistic about the "middle powers" agreements. Better than going it alone. I live in the Niagara region and I wonder if much of this area will continue to be wineries or if more vegetable growing will return. Maybe even canneries again.
ChipStewartIII@reddit
I share that same cautious optimism re: middle powers
I love your region for the wineries, but certainly that soil could/should(?) be used more for produce, I agree. Canneries would be excellent.
Tiny-Sink-9290@reddit
I dont know. If shit really hits the fan.. drinking myself to death sounds far more fun than starving and/or dying by military. :). Maybe we should all be growing grapes preparing for a grand fiesta for our last days yah?
miomidas@reddit
Or you’re a slightly melodramatic farmer and nothing will change
adamsoutofideas@reddit
Ive never met a melodramatic farmer
ChipStewartIII@reddit
Farmer? Oh, fuck no. Urban transplants who saw the writing on the wall the same as all of you.
We’re doing what we can do contribute to, and be involved in, what we see as a resilient community.
My hometown city will burn way sooner than this place.
Melodramatic? I prefer to consider it rational adaptation.
AbbeyRoadMomma@reddit
Jealous
browneyedhellen@reddit
I’d love to know the name of your Ontario village :) I’m curious
EmFan1999@reddit
Not horse power as such, but the idea of public transport and not personal. Small local communities producing things yes
adamsoutofideas@reddit
In Ontario where I live, our conservative government wanted to appeal to its base by expanding trails for ski-doos or whatever they're called. Ripped up all our old rail networks that connected almost all the small towns. We were well set to return to commuter rail and now it's just the straight line between Montreal, Toronto, Niagara.
Our provincial conservatives are real dummies. Not as extreme as the GOP but definitely rubbing the same pair of braincells together. No vision at all.
browneyedhellen@reddit
I’m not a Dougie fan either!
EmFan1999@reddit
Exactly the same as what happened in the Uk in the 60s. My area had so many rail lines connecting us to villages and the big cities, and they ripped it all up and now we have cars and no buses, or buses to cities only, so we have to drive to other villages that we actually use more regularly
boneyfingers@reddit
I think the unsustainable culture in North America predates industrialization and oil. They prospered initially by displacing the population of an entire continent, and stealing all the natural wealth. They were conditioned to believe in practically inexhaustible resources, like farmland or timber or minerals; when anything got scarce they just moved west.
wsbautist420@reddit
Yep! RDR II style small towns are coming. You live, work, and play within the range that your horse can take you.
miomidas@reddit
Yes life will be just like a videogame /s
AggravatingMark1367@reddit
Then I’ve been preparing my whole life for this haha
kilopeter@reddit
I'm pressing X to doubt.
fjf1085@reddit
I’ll just keep Pressing X to Shaun.
wsbautist420@reddit
I forgot to mention that these towns will be for those who have survived.
wsbautist420@reddit
Finally!
CzIitz@reddit
MANGOES
wsbautist420@reddit
Save me, Dutch!
Thehealthygamer@reddit
You been living through it for a while, that's why everything's been getting shittier and everyone's pissed off and shooting up schools and such.
AwkwardTickler@reddit
Why is that only happening in america if all the western nations are seeing an economic decline?
aubreypizza@reddit
Cuz we have lots of guns
AwkwardTickler@reddit
So it's the guns then. Not anything else.
futuriztic@reddit
Hush, the adults are talking
aubreypizza@reddit
If you’re asking about the shooting up of schools then yes.
AwkwardTickler@reddit
That is the literal statement I was responding to. Did you only read my comment and not the one above it?
Few_Ad6516@reddit
guns make it easier for people weak in mind and body to feel powerful. its the ultimate trump card in an otherwise passive society ie i have no other way of imposing my will other than this piece of machinery that requires very little skill or strength. it is the cowards weapon of choice.
AwkwardTickler@reddit
This has no relation to the top comment that I replied to about western countries economic collapse.
Are you a bot that searches for keywords? Did you read the comment above making the same mistake? Wtf is going on here?
TheUtopianCat@reddit
It's not. You just think it is because you have an American-centric perspective.
AwkwardTickler@reddit
Where are school shootings comparable to the US in frequency per capita?
Someslapdicknerd@reddit
The EU has many more deaths from heat waves vs school shootings. Rot can look different in different places.
enek101@reddit
Im not sure yet. ask again in 25 or so years. its definitly in decline but plenty of cultures decline then climb again. Romans did it a few times in history so did the Franks and Ottomans. We can pull out of the dive its in but its gonna take alot. It could happen.
leafnstone@reddit
The US empire is rotting away but not in a vacuum. As it rots out, it yields to other powerful nations and cultures—and countries such as China. American culture and power is being replaced by newer influential countries. The global system is changing. There’s an important need to change because of the climate crisis.
leafnstone@reddit
The infrastructure that capitalism depends on is coming apart: the financial, defense and energy sectors. It’s the big expensive parts of the empire that are no longer working as advertised. We can still have businesses and make stuff but it will be outside the big, shiny economy we believe we must have.
Waste-Industry1958@reddit
Are you somehow seeing countries that are not falling totally apart these days? It’s not like they’re doing any better in Russia, China or India. The whole system is going down in the drain
TheRealTormDK@reddit
We will see the beginning of Pax Judaica.
tropical58@reddit
There is no such thing. There is never peace when you have over lords and the underclass. The zionist Jew's are living in a shared hallucination. There are no gods, no demons, no magic and no rituals that invoke special status. This is 2026, this is all entirely nonesence and self indulgent narcissistic psychopathy. Torture rape drinking blood and cannibalism paedophilia , murder and the sinister scheming for global control is just the work of deluded individuals doing aweful acts. WTFU look at what you are doing!Ultimately the only outcome that will occur is for the zionist to be slaughtered. You all need to get a grip. Seriously
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realityhiphop@reddit
US, yeah. EU not so much.
JorgasBorgas@reddit
The economies of EU countries are essentially oriented around 1. luxury products for the current global elites, primarily exported to the US; 2. Financial services, catering again to the globalized economy; 3. A declining manufacturing base dependent on Russian and Arab oil; and 4. Middle class consumerism. Most of these things will not really fare well with the collapse of the current world system.
The US might be the imperial center, but the EU is the imperial periphery, and to be blunt, despite the controversy over the Iran war, the EU states are ultimately American vassals. Right now the two options for the future development of the world seem to be continued G7 centralism vs. BRICS pluralism and the collapse of the US would be s major blow to the former.
realityhiphop@reddit
I agree with most of this, but the EU is much better positioned to pivot and the Asian market can make up for any loss in the US market. https://oec.world/en/profile/international_organization/eu
Hot-Acanthisitta5237@reddit (OP)
I don't think the EU can pivot when former African colonies are kicking them out. Look at France at the moment.
JorgasBorgas@reddit
EU-US trade is in the range of 1.5 trillion euros as of 2023, I doubt the "Asian market" can compensate for that entire sum in a global economic downturn on a short timescale. This is not even getting into the fact that the EU and China both require imports of raw materials and energy, and depend on exporting finished goods, except the EU targets a higher-income sector that is presently found mostly in the US. In this regard, their interests are not entirely complementary; they can trade certain finished goods, but not others, and compete for raw material imports.
Can you highlight what specific element from your linked dataset supports your premise? It is a general summary of trade information.
realityhiphop@reddit
It can if oil trades in petroyuans
Tonsilith_Salsa@reddit
Military spread too thin, devaluation of our currency, lack of domestic production, world moving off the dollar, social decay, debt spiral.
We're the Soviet Union in 1990.
I'm not saying the US is going to disappear or be taken over. I'm saying we're on the 18th hole of being a global superpower, and you should get used to the idea of the US taking a back seat to China.
Deguilded@reddit
Weeelll, not a student of history but i'd say "yes and no".
Let's take the Roman empire. The Eastern Roman Empire stayed alive for quite a while even after Rome was overrun.
Now if you consider the "Western Empire", or "The West", to have two sides spanning the sea, you could broadly liken that to the US and Europe. It seems likely to me we could see a historical rhyme: the western half of the empire falls into disrepair, while the east continues on for a while.
The modern-day Rome doesn't have barbarian hordes at the gates, no matter what the news media pretends. So there is that. It'll be a slow, torturous decline of increasing enshittification, isolation, faltering economy, resource depletion, talent exodus, etc.
EricMoulds@reddit
You say collapse, I say Balkanization...
jandzero@reddit
I prefer Balkanization to a fascist theocracy. I live in the US, in a small Midwestern college town, surrounded by enough freshwater and productive farmland to support itself in a circa 1890's kind of way (yes, there have been studies). Our overall situation would improve, provided that too many of our resources aren't consumed by efforts to fend off militias or other emerging political threats. In the short term, I'm far more concerned about Gilead showing up and culling anyone who doesn't worship their death cult.
DarkChado@reddit
It isnot the war per se that advances the collapse, but the unrestricted corruption and dismantlement of checks and balances.
HolymakinawJoe@reddit
LOL. No. It's just America.
Maily_Lost_in_Snow@reddit
You know is the end of the Western Empire when people start talking about the end of the "World"
Few_Ad6516@reddit
As harsh as it may sound, the current demography is unsustainable. No system survives when it favors the elderly more than the young. At the moment we are seeing more and more resources being funneled towards unproductive elderly asset holders at the expense of the younger of population. It is the younger population who can work, have children and who are now present in less and less numbers.
Low_Complex_9841@reddit
> No system survives when it favors the elderly more than the young.
Oh look, timeless creature who NEVER will get old .....
ReasonablePossum_@reddit
Start learning Chinese and hebrew
loralailoralai@reddit
Great powers like Canada? Italy isn’t exactly a great power either and hasn’t been for like a millennia
Everyone else would be fine if it weren’t for the orange idiot, USA is a different story
SnooBananas2845@reddit
We are in the process of global civilizational collapse and Great Depression 2.0. All three Abrahamic fascist deaths are colliding and thermodynamically the center cannot hold. This time a billion will die. Fascism is always a death cult because it’s the expression of the psychopathology of the psychopath leaders acted upon by their sociopathic cult.
georgewalterackerman@reddit
I see 2 possibilities. One is that we are indeed in state of slow decline where the west’s economic and strategic influence over the rest of the world shrinks. Or…. The West could still be on top towards the mid 21st century because no other power or alliance is great enough to take over the top spot.
Tiny-Sink-9290@reddit
China is the only country that might take over. They too are suffering from job loss, economic downturn, etc because they rely a lot on external sales/etc for money. That said.. they do have some things the rest of the world doestn.. e.g. sustainable renewable energy, farming, etc. And their people largely live on very little food so they could likely survive where us fat Americans would be eating ourselves to survive. lol.
jaymickef@reddit
We are seeing the collapse of the middle-class and as it was once a large part of the US it feels like total collapse. But there is no reason the US can’t continue like any much poorer country does.
Tiny-Sink-9290@reddit
And this is the VERY thing the rich want. They elected (by away of stealing the election no doubt in many ways) a group of morons that can do this VERY thing.. put in sycophants from the cult in every major position to assure they can break laws and get away with it, insider trading to make 100s of billions and get away with it, utilize the military however they want and get away with it. This is EXACTLY what Project2025 stipulates and they are doing it. 2026 mid terms is the BIG test with 2028 being the final nail in the coffin if we should easily get democrats back and dont by way of election rigging, etc.
If that happens.. you can bet your ass there will be a massive uprising and a LOT of death, and I dont honestly think in the US.. where everyone has guns.. that even their mighty military is going to stop them from busting down the doors of institutions/etc and laying waste to it all. Unless their president/govt decides to literally bomb the shit out of millions in the streets.. but if that happened it would be total collapse again anyway.
I dont see any way out of this if 2026 is blocked/not the biggest blue wave in history as it is already headed towards.. short of some far right maga bullshit stealing it.. or this unconstitutional push for the made up SAVE act.. there is no way the house doesnt go full blue and some of senate. It will change how anything gets done for the last two years and should set up an all but guarantee win for democrats. But 2026 is the real test. Have to wait and see how that goes first.
simpleflavors1@reddit
Petrodollar collapse
Odd_Awareness1444@reddit
The Industrial Revolution was the beginning of the end. Child labor, pollution, over use of resources, large scale deforestation, and the invention of plastics. The doomsday clock started ticking then and does not have much time left.
brezhnervouz@reddit
It is progeessing, not imminent
CrystalInTheforest@reddit
This. I very much doubt it'll go the wayof the USSR with a big bang - historically that situation was an outlier... gradual slow decay (often so slow the people living through it are unaware of it) is more common.
miggleb@reddit
I'm bored now
Can't we just skip to the world bring on fire?
Striper_Cape@reddit
Give it a few months
Lorax91@reddit
Venus by Tuesday
dbudyak@reddit
Not much regret if empires are failing when the key drivers of these empires are toxic false positivism and emotional intelligence impotence, which are trying to cover only one thing — a greedy capitalistic madface.
Mystohaxen@reddit
Not just the western empire, the human empire. Lions will soon be kings of the world again!
NicestUsername@reddit
More so a paradigm shift
Ill_Station_6165@reddit
It’s somewhat ironic how this decade is mimicking early 20th century. Pandemic, rise of right wing populism, wars with static fronts, tariffs, epic stock market speculation etc.
So what has not happened yet, that did happen and looks likely now?
Mass unemployment, nations defaulting, recession, supply scarcity, world war etc.
Prediction- We’re in for a large recession, due to inflation, higher rates and a looming deficit crisis in the US that increasingly likely will to have raise taxes to cover. Global war is a possibility depending on the US reaction to the invasion of Taiwan and whether or not NATO and ASEAN allies are willing to join.
History says no, and the US will initially back down from an all-out war with a nuclear near peer. Much as Chamberlain backed down during WW2. But an emboldened China/NK will overreach and trigger WW3.
schlaubi01@reddit
All countries of the northern hemisphere, each and everyone, is faced with a demographic catastrophy.
China will be as fucked as everyone else - and there is a good chance it will happen earlier in China than in the US.
But the real catastrophy is not the wars on the horizon - the real catastrophy is the collapse of complex societies (Joseph Tainter wrote a nice book on the topic).
Ill_Station_6165@reddit
Maybe later in this century. Op asked in of the decade thats just 4yrs.
HappierHat@reddit
Love seeing it.
SwampYankee@reddit
The people living in the dark ages didn’t know they were in a dark age. We peaked at the moon landings and now are well into a dark age.
Effective-Bandicoot8@reddit
https://cmarmitage.substack.com/p/the-iran-war-could-collapse-the-united?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=64gnd1&triedRedirect=true
Winterfrost15@reddit
No, actually America and the West is getting stronger than ever. They have just killed and estroyed most of Iran's leadership and military. This is just about the end game now, but the west has won this war already.
Turbulent-Beauty@reddit
I think the collapse will include most industrialized nations, not just the US, UK, France, Italy, and Germany.
wwaxwork@reddit
The unravelling more than a collapse. Think that scene in Wolf of Wall Street with Leo trying to get in the car. It will be like a drunk man staggering home until he falls down and pisses himself.
tschi00@reddit
L'effondrement a déjà commencé et seuls les riches occidentaux ne s'en aperçoivent pas encore.
tschi00@reddit
L'effondrement a déjà commencé et seuls les riches occidentaux ne s'en aperçoivent pas encore.
tschi00@reddit
L'effondrement a déjà commencé et seuls les riches occidentaux ne s'en aperçoivent pas encore.
memarco2@reddit
Catabolic collapse fr
Lord_Vesuvius2020@reddit
The war has the potential to greatly devalue the US dollar. This has happened in other countries and with the collapse of the British pound as the pre-1944 world reserve currency. Imagine you have a bank account with $100,000. Suddenly its value is $50,000. Not to mention drastic price increases.
Vdasun-8412@reddit
Y china es un gran pais
21plankton@reddit
China has clearly won this current war by non-participation. Iran’s current administration will have won by its generational intransigent belief system and its geographical position. The US will lose influence globally but the Donroe Doctrine will be a win for the western hemisphere. Access to any form of energy will win but the earth will get its revenge on all.
leisurechef@reddit
We are witnessing the collapse of the US Petrodollar, Hegemony & any other country who is tied to that system.
Specific-Objective68@reddit
We're witnessing a redistribution of global power between sovereign states, as well as powerful individuals and corporations.