[Times column] Jeremy Clarkson: “Keep me on life support — death is too taxing”
Posted by FlipStig1@reddit | thegrandtour | View on Reddit | 54 comments
Jeremy Clarkson went into an unusually morbid state in his latest Times column. He’s trying to plan for what his legacy would be (and state his wishes) once his time on earth comes to an end. Here’s a preview:
“I’ve always had a nagging doubt that I might be wrong about God and that if I give my eyes to a motorcyclist and it turns out there is a heaven, I’d be pretty cross with myself. It’s also why I want to be buried, not burnt. You’d feel pretty silly rocking up in the land of milk and honey in an urn.”
(Yes, usual disclaimers apply.)
WasThatInappropriate@reddit
Buys farm to avoid tax obligations, brags about it publicly for years. Uses farm to checks notes make TV shows, not to seriously farm. Gets upset when tax avoidance loophole gets closed. Pretends to be on the side of farmers, when hes part of the problem plagueig farmers. Farmers fall for it.
What a time to be alive
NewRefrigerator7461@reddit
The positive externalities for educating the public about farming far outweigh anything he’s ever done. I haven’t met anyone even tangentially related to agriculture that doesn’t appreciate it. I met some people that work for cargill that were overflowing with appreciation and they represent everything he stands against
WySLatestWit@reddit
Yep. Everyone on reddit is free to bitch and moan all they want about Clarkson "gaming the system" but I've come to find that farmers...love the show, and tend to love Clarkson. So what's the point of complaining?
NewRefrigerator7461@reddit
It is weird how many people hate clarkson in this sub. No idea why they bother.
I can’t wait to see him teach the world about farming automation this season. It’ll probably be the largest showcase of that technology thats ever happened.
I do want him to to try to trade commodity futures to teach the public too - mostly because it would be hilarious, but thats probably a bridge too far
WySLatestWit@reddit
No reddit subreddit can exist for longer than a year without at least partially lapsing into a hate community devoted to hating the thing the subreddit is about. Except the Indiana Jones subreddit. It's the only one that's immune to reddit social rules.
Majestic-Marcus@reddit
And prequel memes. It did the opposite.
NEBREPINS@reddit
A significant number of people abhor most of what Clarkson stands for but appreciate the fact he’s one of the best entertainers of our time, myself included
NewRefrigerator7461@reddit
What does he stand for though? The only thing I can think that he actually stands for are effective storytelling, curiosity and the desire for the cars we sped so much of our time in to have personality.
Everything else is just a character in the name of entertainment.
NEBREPINS@reddit
More referring to his political views and complete dismissal of climate change despite the effects of it being so blatantly shown on Clarkson’s Farm
NewRefrigerator7461@reddit
He doesn’t completely dismiss climate change. He acknowledges it when he’s not in his bombastic character. It’s not like he was pro-brexit. He wanted to remain and actively makes fun of Trump. What do you want him to do?
WasThatInappropriate@reddit
I'm curious what the tangible benefits of these positive externalities are, genuinely.
Cos on one side I see a man actively contributing to the problem that causes farmers to be priced out of their own industry, and then whipping them up into campaigning for a continuation of that mechanism while lobbying for it himself. And on the other side I see some posi-vibes and the type of people portrayed in the tv show enjoying the tv show
NewRefrigerator7461@reddit
How is he actively contributing to farmers being wiped out? The biggest drivers of farmers being priced out are economies of scale and input costs.
It’s not like he owns a fertilizer plant, controls the weather or is running a massive farm capable of undercutting small farms on grain prices.
Millions of people understand the economics of farmers because of him and might have a semblance of their national farming legislation which is what the farmers are going to live and die by. They have an understanding of the livestock diseases that can destroy dairy and cattle farmers and what a local slaughterhouse means to small farmers. He might have even gotten consumers to consider which farm products and how they impact their national farmers when they choose which one to go with.
Seems like a net good.
WasThatInappropriate@reddit
Farmers used to have the nearly the same IHT terms as everyone else. Thatcher added the loophole in 1986, making agricultural land one of the most attractive ways for tax consultants to reduce their clients tax burdens.
Since then nearly half of all farm sales went to non farmers, and even last year 36% of argicultural releif claims were covering less than 20% of their estate, meaning passive investors rather than farmers.
This caused agricultural costs (land, equiptment, property) to spiral, putting huge strain on farmers.
Then the loophole was closed and farmland put up for sale jumped 44% year on year. Almost entirely on 'non prime' land, to reduce assets to 2m, confirming that behaviour is rife.
Clarkson is one of these passive investors, and hes trying to preserve the status quo at the cost of farmers.
Thats the economics that needs understanding.
Adventurous_Week_698@reddit
Even named the farm "Diddly Squat" as a reference to what he thought the government would get from him in tax
Careful-Builder-9931@reddit
It was named after how much stuff it produced... (quite easily googled)
BankBackground2496@reddit
It could be the revenue he expected to get from it.
lxlviperlxl@reddit
👢👅
Eragon10401@reddit
How do you go from “they’re not giving enough money to the government!” To calling someone ELSE a bootlicker? What a moronic take
WasThatInappropriate@reddit
I think hes actually suggesting the guy is a boot licker by being a clarkson apologist, and not a wider commentary on the tax systems. Their particular element is about why the farm is named how it is.
Eragon10401@reddit
Sure, but Clarkson is not a boot in any reasonable analogy. The boot is the government, the ones who are taking the tax. So the people going after farmers who don’t want to be hit with IHT bills are bootlickers, not the farmers themselves.
WasThatInappropriate@reddit
Again, their interaction is outside of the wider context. Its about why farm is called diddly squat.
A: 'hes called it diddly squat in reference to the tax he'll pay'
B: 'hes called it diddle squat in reference to the money he'll make'
None of that is condusive to analysing the governments role. Its just being used in a similar way as to call someone a cap doffer. Hope that helps clear it up!
scottboy34@reddit
It’s ok, generational farming will end with the new rules and multinational corporations will own everything. Nothing to worry about.
People get mad that the local farmer/tradie/independent shop ect earn a few quid but don’t get bothered by the bigger corporations. A lot of you want your heads banging together
I have no part in the farming industry but it’s mad they’re not supported. It’s ok though, we will just import everything from around the world. And when some foreign countries decide to attack each other again, we won’t be able to afford petrol, gas and food. Make it a trio
WasThatInappropriate@reddit
I'm curious, why do you think lowering the cost of agricultural land and equiptment by forcing tax investors to divest from the sector will end generational farming?
Eragon10401@reddit
Because tax investors were never a threat to farmers - large agricultural corporations were. And those investors will be selling to the companies that can off the best prices - agricultural corporations and land developers.
Inheritance tax is a huge cost for generational farmers that shows up every 20-40 years, that corporations never have to pay. It’s blatantly an attack on small businesses, marketed to the left as going after tax dodgers.
WasThatInappropriate@reddit
Nearly 50% of farm sales since the 1986 exemption have gone to passive investors, and not farmers. 36% of releif claims last year were for less than 20% of an estates total, showing these farms are small parts of large passive investments.
Since the loophole closed, land being marketed jumped 44% year on year. Disproportionatrly non prime land, disproportionately from farms seemingly now scaling down to the 2m threshold, confirming their status as investments. Simple economics shows one element of demand is leaving the industry, increasing availability not just for corporate farmers, but new entry farmers.
How? Theyve been exempt. If you look at latest agricultural releif claim numbers, its only some 400ish farms that'd hit the threshhold for tax eligibility where the farm is the sole holding. And literally zero of the farms classified as not profitable or at risk of not profitable are in the bracket.
Its the opposite, its an attempt to stop the doom spiral the sector was in, where more and more outside money competes with farmers for their resources just to secure favourable tax terms. Land value is already falling. In this instance that is good, as it means farmers arent priced out of their own sector, and theres even less risk of hitting the tax threshold. This tax was quite crafty as it does the absolute minimum it can get away with, just to make farms the 2nd best option for tax consultants instead of the 1st best option, meaning tax consultants will divest their funds and move elsewhere.
Dont do that dude. Its simple economics.
Phoenix_Kerman@reddit
he bought the land alone for six million when it was massively undervalued in the financial crash. the whole farm business must be a few times that in value of assets.
the cap he was protesting was about a million, not going to say there was no personal benefit but it's not hard to see that would be going after family farms as much as people buying land for skipping inheritance tax
Ok_Impact9745@reddit
He's even said publicly it's all in a trust anyway so it still doesn't affect him.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Trusts don’t exempt you from taxes lol
Ok_Impact9745@reddit
They exempt you from Inheritance tax.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
That’s great…when you’re dead
Nobody’s buying a farm to avoid posthumous tax obligations. He bought it to avoid tax obligations for the past decade
Ok_Impact9745@reddit
Inheritance tax is probably one of the biggest taxes that people are avoiding.
Most people want their children to inherit their estate and not have a hefty tax bill for doing so.
I think it's a bit naive to say that people aren't actively avoiding inheritance.
Previously big landowners were able to pass on all of their agricultural land without paying inheritance tax on it via this tax relief. This had drawn the very rich towards agricultural land as a vehicle for avoiding inheritance tax.
Why_you_so_wrong_@reddit
That’s now how that works
TwoKFive1@reddit
Holy generalization
Puzza90@reddit
Nope a generalisation would be to say that all farmers did that, all the person you responded to has done is state the facts of what Clarkson's done
Cultural_Tank_6947@reddit
Does anyone take his entertainment pieces in newspapers as serious editorials? Like everyone knows right, he's just exaggerating shit?
Just because it's in print and not video, doesn't make it any more serious.
Jimmy_Tightlips@reddit
It's actually astounding to me how few people on a Grand Tour sub actually get Clarkson and his sense of humour.
But, this is Reddit, so...
Time_Substance_4429@reddit
You think it’s only Reddit? People have fallen for Clarkson’s media personality and jokes for decades in real life. So much so that people still genuinely think Clarkson holds the same opinion on them about certain things and they loudly proclaim he’s «one of us», when it turns out he really didn’t.
Azalea_Field@reddit
Clarkson is genuinely a twat in real life and holds awful political views. His media personality is literally just a toned down version of his real views.
Majestic-Marcus@reddit
He seems pretty normal in real life. As in, like everyone else he can be a dick and the best of friends.
LengthinessSevere584@reddit
So now clarkson isn't funny? Why? Because he doesn't agree with your politics? Clarkson's farm is the funniest show right now and wouldn't be so if it weren't for the man himself
Jimmy_Tightlips@reddit
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
IncidentUpset9161@reddit
Based on the reactions every week yes plenty of people here
Successful-Study-713@reddit
Irritating lump of shit
WySLatestWit@reddit
This doesn't surprise me at all. Not to get really morose about it or anything, but I've gotten the impression that Jeremy's been living as though he's on borrowed time for a long while now. He seems very, very, very conscious of his mortality, and I suspect it's a big part of why Grand Tour ended in the first place.
Careful-Builder-9931@reddit
He wrote a really moving column when he turned 60, I remember, that basically said his father died young and he's been terrified of growing old ever since. I know he's had quite a few health issues now, and many self-inflicted, but I do feel quite sorry for him.
WySLatestWit@reddit
My grandfather died when he was in his 50s and my dad was only 13. It's always bothered my dad. And it's been something he brings up more and more each year. Especially once he'd lived longer than his father had. Dad's very clearly always been very conscious about his mortality as a result, talking about fully expecting to die young my whole life. I suspect clarkson is much the same.
UnbreadedTouchdown@reddit
He smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish, and ate like a pig. He had a bad bought of pneumonia during the 1st or 2nd season of TGT that hospitalized him; a lot of people his age end up going through a massive wakeup call when something like that happens.
My old man had a similar thing happen when he was around 50 that made him rethink and reassess some of his priorities in life.
FlipStig1@reddit (OP)
As for what he’s putting in his will, Clarkson wrote this description:
“It takes thought. You have to leave some people 20p so they don’t think you forgot about them. And I have James May to worry about. Obviously, I have to leave him something, but it needs to be something he’d find irritating. One of my cows, for example. Richard Hammond is getting all my trousers.”
0dty0@reddit
He's gonna leave James enough money to buy a Grosser, but in the smallest possible coin denomination, and dumped in his front yard.
tiagojpg@reddit
10.000 Brazilian reais.
NewRefrigerator7461@reddit
This makes me so happy. I want to do this to my friends now. Something obscure and annoying
LightscaleSword@reddit
I love their friendship so much. The chaos is too real.
TheAmazingMikey@reddit
He is quite publicly going senile. It’s extraordinary to see.
Gizm082@reddit
Good read! :)