Ulysses (Unpopular opinion: Is not so bad episode)
Posted by NiceRefrigerator4079@reddit | xena | View on Reddit | 24 comments
This episode often gets more criticism than it realistically deserves. It's not perfect, far from it, but the way fans sometimes push it to the bottom of the list seems excessive, especially when compared to some really weak efforts in the series. If we are talking about "straight" episodes, this one at least has some emotional basis and idea, unlike, say, King Con or especially the disaster with Antony and Cleopatra, an episode that I sincerely hate from the bottom of my soul and whose existence I would burn.
The biggest problem here is Ulysses himself. The actor simply does not have the necessary charisma, nor chemistry with Xena. His scenes that are supposed to carry romantic tension feel empty, like you're watching something that should work but never quite clicks. And that's a big minus, because the whole episode partly depends on that relationship. However, despite this, the story itself is not bad. It has adventure, it has a mythological framework with Poseidon, it has that homecoming motif that always carries a certain weight.
But what really keeps this episode above average is what happens between Xena and Gabrielle. This is the layer that many ignore when they reduce it to "Xena has another man who falls in love with her". Because what matters more here is how Xena reacts to it. She doesn't fight back in the way a classic story would expect. There is no real emotion in that direction, no sincere teaching. Everything seems more like respect and understanding, but no real connection. In fact, I always had the impression that Xena was only physically attracted to Ulysses and that he was a warrior like her, rather than having any real emotions. That's why it was easy for Xena to give him up in the end, not only because it was right for Penelope, but also because there was nothing more than erotic attraction on her part.
And then comes the pivotal moment, Xena tells Gabrielle that she is part of her heart and that she taught her how to love. It is not a small thing, nor a passing remark. That's the crux of the whole episode. While on the outside we have the story of Ulysses trying to win over Xena, the real emotional line is between Xena and Gabrielle. And there you can see how deeply rooted their relationship is. That's why I'm surprised that everyone insists on the straight elements, and ignores the existence of subtext in this episode, which is quite strong.
Gabrielle observes all this throughout the episode, but there is no classic jealousy. There is a quiet discomfort, but also an understanding. As if she knew that what existed between her and Xena could not be threatened by something so superficial. Their connection seems stable, secure, like something that doesn't have to be proven.
That's why this episode, despite the weak Ulysses, still has value. Because the point is not in that "romance", but in how Xena rejects her without having to dramatically reject her. She already has something deeper, something that gives her meaning.
In the end, it feels like the episode is trying to be something that it may not be able to pull off due to the bad choice for Ulysses, but still manages to hold its own thanks to the relationship between Xena and Gabrielle. And that's exactly why he doesn't deserve as much hate as he gets. He has flaws, but he also has heart. And that's more than can be said for some of the other episodes that are much louder, but actually emptier.

koiivy@reddit
It would have been a better episode if Ulysses was better casted and if they didn’t try to force the Xena / Ulysses connection SO much. I think the connection would have come across as more authentic if it was played as casual attraction and desire mixed with respect.
TaniksHasNoCorn@reddit
Yeah the guy who played Raif (spelling) in King Con had more charisma I think. Same with the actor who played Draco. I think Marcus also worked better than the Ulysses character, but not as good as Draco.
Had Kevin Smith not played Ares, people would have bought him as Ulysses with Xena.
The episode probably would have worked better as a two parter as most stories would with more events. It just feels strange to the audience for someone to completely change without a major event.
Even Gabrielle wanting to marry Perdicus was a little to quick, but still had more time in the oven than this because he was a pre-established character.
FirebirdWriter@reddit
So many people including Smith double dipped into roles so why not also throw in the charisma king himself Kevin Smith?
Byanychance@reddit
Ares was too big / vital of a character to actor double dip by that point. Manu Bennett could’ve played Ulysses. He is quite similar to Kevin in charisma and charm.
TaniksHasNoCorn@reddit
That could work. They could have Gabrielle throw in a line about "Doesn't Ulysses kind of look like Ares?" making Xena a bit flustered. There certainly had a lot of Xena dopplegangers. lol.
FirebirdWriter@reddit
Exactly! Or a reference to his role as Hercules's brother.
stardust102@reddit
yup the force of Xena / Ulysses connection didnt make it believable either
magical_lasso@reddit
You are SO right. Watching this episode was the moment that I solidified my head canon that X/G are polyamorous anchor partners who allow each other to explore connections with others from time to time because they know they'll always come back to each other/be with each other in the end. That's the ONLY way I can make sense of the narrative the show gives us - one week so much X/G subtext, the next week some random ass male love interest, and in this one in particular Gabrielle encouraging Xena despite clearly having moments of pause (just because you're open, doesn't always mean it's comfortable, and they were still early in their relationship).
ImaginaryStrategy215@reddit
What I find most annoying in episodes like this one or “King Con” is the way Xena is made to fall in love (note the passive verb) with the “hunk” of the moment, as if she were a high school girl with raging hormones, rather than a warrior with years of experience behind her. I’m also deeply irritated by the placement of these episodes, almost always following stories with strong subtext (“Ulysses” follows “The Quest” and “King Con” follows “One Against An Army”), as if to reassure the sponsors and the production company of the protagonists’ heterosexuality, to the point that Gabrielle doesn’t show the slightest jealousy toward her partner - which it's absolutely absurd in my opinion, especially after the kiss in “The Quest” and the declaration Xena makes to her in “One Against An Army.”
magical_lasso@reddit
This is SO frustrating, and I want to believe they HAD to do it because the subtext was too much for the naysayers of X/G. The network, or whomever it was, who was pushing back hard to ensure Xena (and Gabrielle) maintained an air of heterosexuality. I will continue to be delulu about these moments the show threw in and focus on X/G's relationship lol.
NiceRefrigerator4079@reddit (OP)
Actually, Ulysses comes after Blind Faith which is also a pretty subtextual episode, but I get your point and you're right. But as an episode on its own, it's okay for me, unlike Anthony and Cleopatra which I absolutely hate.
ImaginaryStrategy215@reddit
Let me explain why, even though I don’t like “Antony and Cleopatra” at all, it’s an episode that irritates me less than the other two. First of all, even though Xena is attracted to Antony, she’s actually pursuing a personal agenda aimed at neutralizing him, and she sticks to that. Furthermore, Gabrielle is not indifferent to this relationship and openly criticizes it, unlike in the other two episodes where she seems completely uninterested in the fact that Xena is attracted to others—and indeed even seems to encourage her.
Jahon_Dony@reddit
That's a popular opinion. People love this episode, and the one on a boat where Xena helps a dude get home.
pokonight@reddit
I actually agree with most of your points. At first I didn't like the episode but upon second viewing I realized there's actually a lot of subtext going on especially when it comes to Gabby's feelings and how the focus isn't exactly on Ulysses, but on Xena and Gabrielle...
I also agree with your hatred towards the Cleopatra and King Con episodes. Those two eps could just disappear along with fishsticks.
godsibi@reddit
It's a bad, awful Odyssey adaptation. I mean, Xena and Hercules were always very loose with the myth adaptations but... Look how much cooler the Beowulf and Grindl adaptation was!
I hated how Xena became the reason for everything in this Odyssey (singing over the sirens, bending Ulysses's own bow etc). It made her feel very inserted. And of course the love story was really forced and made Ulysses look like the most pathetic "hero" ever, ready to give up his kingdom and partner for Xena who he just met yesterday. In the end, Ulysses wanted to get a fling and Xena was trying to fix the narrative for the sake of fixing it.
Agent8699@reddit
I think it could have been a much more compelling episode if Penelope had written to Xena for help with the suitors on Ithaca and Xena ultimately, sadly determines that she needs to find and return Ulysses, even though he’s a douchebag.
Maybe Penelope could have raised the possibility of Xena remaining on Ithaca instead and being the “enforcer” behind the throne held by Penelope?
It would be especially tempting if Xena had wronged Penelope (or her extended family) in the past and Xena felt like she owed a debt to Penelope.
Technical_Activity78@reddit
It’s not bad. Just a lot of man haters in this sub. But I agree it wasn’t a good match the actors had no chemistry.
EasyEntrepreneur666@reddit
It's not just actor. It did dirty to Ulysses. Also, since this Ulysses wasn't thrilled to hear the sirens, he could have just plugged his ear.
Still, Ulysses taking a xbow bolt for Gabrielle and not trying to shake her off while making attempts to get inside Xena's panties is a positive point.
TaniksHasNoCorn@reddit
To be fair, this show and Hercules does a lot of other mythological heroes/stories dirty. Xena apparently didn't need Leonidas and his 300 to defeat the Persians. Just needed a wounded Gabrielle.
Just imagine what Xena would have done to Yodoshi's army in "A Friend in Need" if Gabrielle took a poisoned arrow. She unlocks Ultimate mode in those circumstances. lol.
EasyEntrepreneur666@reddit
Xena didn't fight the whole persian army, just the forward troops. The army just turned back because "there were thousands more like Xena" in Greece (which even Lucy found ridiculous for working)
SingleBuilding3019@reddit
Never was a bad episode.
Ok_Kangaroo_2160@reddit
Yeah, they also tried to force the whole soulmates thing onto Ulysses and Xena but it's not believable bc their connection isn't all that meaningful.
I do think there are aspects of a warrior Xena naturally finds attractive and she has a weakness for bad boys, so I don't understand what she saw in Ulysses. Other than what she saw physically, which you articulated.
With that said, I completely agree with you, this episode has elements that make it a a decent story but "Antony and Cleopatra" and "King Con" are episodes I absolutely cannot stand. "King Con" is one I thought I could get behind, but when I heard that Autolycus was supposed to be in it I hated it even more as it was. I personally found both of the con guys unlikeable but maybe that's just me.
"Antony and Cleopatra" is frustrating bc it takes place right after "Kindred Spirits" and saw Gabrielle and Xena getting along as they adjusted to raising their daughter. It might also be worth mentioning that Xena has a track record of falling for/flirting with men for the sake of a mission but for some reason, Gabrielle isn't given the same opportunity to do so. In this ep, Gabrielle is clearly bothered by Xena's advances and Xena just doesn't seem to care. The tension between them carries throughout the episode even until the very end.
Whatever happened on the way to Egypt?
CaptainQueen1701@reddit
Ooh, I really like Anthony & Cleopatra. Xena does to Anthony what Caesar did to her. The greater good? Revenge? Hatred? Xena has not changed as much as she wants to think she has.
stardust102@reddit
I keep skipping this ep as like you say don’t like Ulysses himself he just didn’t seem to fit the role