Hey GN, we get it, AI is f@cking everything in the PC space for prices. From the sounds of things, CPUs may be next. That just leaves, checks list (~~RAM~~, ~~GPU~~, ~~SSD~~, ~~HDD~~, ~~CPU~~, MB, Case, PSU, Cooling)
Maybe test some Chinese RAM you buy off Ali for stability and OCing or something?
All of these guys are missing out on actual helpful content like purchasing crappy used sticks like micron and overclocking them to see how they stack up.
I know you probably ideally need a lot of it but is it more sensitive to bandwidth or latency though? For games like factorio or cities: skylines its typically the latter. A CL32 6400MT kit has the same latency as CL40 4800MT.
how sensitive? Are we talking double digit percentages or are we talking a handful of FPS? Because basically nobody has shown me an example of a game that's unplayable with slow ram. No offense but people need to get a grip. Just because there's a difference doesn't make it meaningful.
Impressive. What speed are you now? Do you think the difference would be as apparent on a mid level build with a non-k chip or AMD? I guess my last questions would be what are you running settings wise for resolution and eye candy and do were the stutters significant enough to notice or negatively affect gameplay? I guess I'm asking is if someone didn't know any better do you think they'd have a problem with it? Genuinely always interested to learn more, I just see what people accept as playable on consoles, handhelds and mobile and wonder if their standards are really any different once they move over to a PC.
Don't get me wrong, it's definitely not very thorough testing, but at the same time there's plenty of people who don't care about those games at all or play casually enough for it to not bother them. Part of why CS2 is still so popular is because it runs on a potato.
CS2 runs extremely poorly on slow CPU’s. You can’t just test ram with games that don’t really benefit and then conclude that fast ram is a waste of time and money.
In the conclusion section they didn't really say definitively one way or another, nor did they test any slow CPUs. They actually acknowledged that older Intel platforms may be more sensitive. My takeaway is that it really depends on what you're doing and what you personally consider to be a meaningful gain.
Micron/Crucial, Samsung, and SK Hynix are the only ones who actually manufacture DRAM any more. There's a reason why that's original equipment in servers and laptops, not binned chips mounted on a PCB by a third party, with an ugly but shark-edged heatsink and RGB gamer marketing added.
Yeah, I’m aware. I don’t really understand the point of your comment. I was on about comparing all of the different dies for OC. Early micron maxed out at 5400 absolute max so it could be interesting to compare lots of dies.
Motherboards have gotten so much more expensive, under the guise of "but we need much more complex and expensive PCB's for PCIE 4.0" later followed by "But we need much more complex and expensive PCB's for PCIE 5.0"
PSU's have also gotten a lot more expensive per watt, along with more power hungry CPU's and GPU's requiring higher wattage PSU's.
I saw a post earlier today of someone receiving a case... with a cheap pc inside. It was an AM4 motherboard with some of the most basic VRM's and only a 4-pin EPS connector, so 144 W max. I was surprised to learn that the r9 5950x has a TDP of 105W and a maximum power draw of 142 W. Sure, there will be more voltage ripple, but it is rated to safely run the CPU at stock specs. That whole 20+4-phase VRM craze with dual 8-pin EPS is really unnecessary.
Worth keeping in mind that it's current, not power, that drives the lion's share of power deliver costs. And high end SKUs tend to push very high currents, even if power is kept low via lower voltages.
Also, especially on Intel platforms, there's been a proliferation in the number and demands on non-core rails ever since FIVR was dropped.
Apparently you'd need like a 1000Hz OLED to get the same motion clarity as the pulsar monitors, so for people who prioritize motion clarity it makes sense
I code on at home for 16-26 hours a week, given how long my work-from-home days are, and how much time I'm willing to code on weekends for personal projects
I object to buying a monitor that will burn in 5, 10 years down the line
It's a completely new backlight tech. I was surprised that it was that "cheap". Also this is not a product for people who consider buying an OLED. It's for people who want the least possible motion blur and don't care about anything else.
GN is sort of the 'dirty jobs' of tech-content that is essential counter-balance to the "everything is good" happy vibe generic youtuber. somebody has to report the bad news. would u rather have linus sugar coat it for you?
So you're saying the thousands of people that watch his content and agree with him are living their life in "perpetual anger" and not the few hundreds that have a problem with him because he uploaded a video? Going by his content trend, his noctua PC case review only gained 150k+ views, whereas this video has already surpassed that in less than 24hrs, going against your narrative of "how much GN has fallen" by making such content.
Negative content / outrage content naturally gets more traction and your own data point there supports it. Traditional case/hardware reviews get less views in a week than what outrage content gets in 1 day. If you look at GN's last 8 videos you can see he has released 3 WTF (WTF is in the title or thumbnail) ragebait videos and 1 about how discord is going down the tubes and killing itself and all 4 of these videos have 3-5x the viewcount of cpu and case reviews.
The projection is wild. You genuinely can't imagine a balance of watching various content creators with varying moods, tones, and amounts of positivity/negativity, can you? Holy shit.
So you admit to not watching the videos. Thus you're the one ragebaiting. A word that already has run its course in regards to GN, you folks can stop spamming it all over the place, it has become sheep- aka bot-like. And yea, seeing your comments it's really friggin' hard to not feel superior and better informed.
I watch GN and have watched for a decade. His content has taken a much sharper turn towards Fox News-esque outrage, condescension, and ridicule in the last year or two.
^ it's always funny seeing people that haven't quite figured out they are being grifted upon clinging on to the last few straws.
GN is telling you the things you want to hear.
He isn't reporting the bad news, he is turning every bit of news into bad news because he knows it will trigger and enrage you, which earns him more money.
Gamers aren't the most mental stable people out there so they're are easy pickings for grifters.
It’s getting out of hand. First, we see manufacturers swapping NAND components silently behind our backs, and now this absolute mess Gamers Nexus is uncovering. It feels like the entire hardware industry is moving towards "maximum margin, minimum longevity."
Whether it's SSDs failing or GPUs being launched with insufficient memory specs just to push the next generation—we as consumers are being treated like beta testers for overpriced hardware. Trust is at an all-time low. Thanks to Steve for shining a light on this.
Holy shit this sub and these comments are mental. One of the few pro consumer advocates, talking about how consumers are getting fucked over again and buffoon comments.
GN is way past consumer advocacy, honestly even past rage bait. They're deliberately framing things in dishonest ways to sell the sky is falling, every company is conspiring to keep hardware from gamers narrative.
Example just from this video - you see the article they showed about lowered NAND production, fewer wafers produced in 2025. GN concludes that companies are deliberately cutting production to maintain higher prices.
A complicating factor is that actual NAND bit output from Samsung and SK hynix could actually rise, as TLC flash is giving way to 33.33 percent denser QLC (4 bits/cell) NAND. Samsung and SK Hynix have to alter their production processes to make this transition and that will tend to reduce wafer output as equipment is modified and production and testing sequences are updated.
Turns out these companies were retooling their fabs to produce higher density NAND flash, which requires down time and results in lowered overall wafer production.
If GN was interested in unbiased, factual journalism like they and all their fans claim, they'd include this in the video, it's literally right there in the article. But they didn't, and I think the reason why should be obvious at this point.
GN seemed to lock in on social media outrage culture as their core audience. It got really bad a few years back and I unsubbed. A couple months passed and I started to appreciate how much less cynical content I was consuming. He went too doomer for my taste and I don’t like his idea of journalism.
I like watching people make things, and if videos are about tech news I’d prefer either fun or a more professional tone. Much happier watching STH and L1T for tech deep dives or basic reviews. I can survive without GN’s other claim to fame in testing of CPUs/GPUs, the aggregate of a half dozen others gives me something good enough.
I check their website for case reviews once a year or so.
Exactly this, was watching their GPU/CPU reviews religiously since 900 series. From in depth disassembly and performance benchmarks in 10-15minute videos, to now 40+ minute videos yapping about "leather jacket man! *smirks*" or the nth remark about no stock or higher than msrp pricing with added reddit humor was just the limit for me...
My current tech channels solely consist of smaller creators who have interesting ideas or have fun budget builds, just like LTT used to back in its early days, as all the big name channels have completely sold out for clicks or sponsors IMO.
Half the videos are members only (Why? You already have floatplane...) Every video is an unboxing of a sponsored item, the unending era of "watch my employees work on my house", or other flashy expensive title. Even a simple series like scrapyard wars went from budget 300$ builds to 2000$ builds in the end... My guess being that its not as profitable to have 2 camera teams running around town than just filming an unboxing or just yapping in front of a camera, but that's why it has gotten stale and corporate for me, they became too professional for something that is stupid simple to do. And the other reason being that the most entertaining personalities have parted ways from LTT.
My guess being that its not as profitable to have 2 camera teams running around town than just filming an unboxing or just yapping in front of a camera
Half the videos are members only (Why? You already have floatplane...)
That was a YouTube side change that they protested against and wound up removing their YouTube members program entirely until it was fixed.
Every video is an unboxing of a sponsored item
They're sponsored by firetrucks?
the unending era of "watch my employees work on my house"
They've discussed this, when exciting AND attainable hardware releases aren't happening they need to figure out a way to make their content interesting. They've got a new "tech house" series where they're basically doing a techie house flip following the same reasoning.
Even a simple series like scrapyard wars went from budget 300$ builds to 2000$ builds in the end
Yea because they evolved the formula from a gaming PC to a full desk setup to a home theater.
And the other reason being that the most entertaining personalities have parted ways from LTT.
No one works at one company forever and at least they don't shackle employees under non-competes and fuck with their livelihoods.
I'm not here to stan for LTT, no one is being forced to like or watch their content, but nearly everything you wrote here is either heresay or straight up incorrect. I get that everyone has content preferences, but not everything needs to be made for you or anyone else or everyone all at once. If you don't like the product then it's better to just not engage with it instead of regurgitating lies you heard on the internet and didn't fact check for yourself. If it's causing harm that you feel the need to speak up about then educate yourself before you just repeat a bunch of bullshit.
GN seemed to lock in on social media outrage culture as their core audience. It got really bad a few years back and I unsubbed. A couple months passed and I started to appreciate how much less cynical content I was consuming. He went too doomer for my taste and I don’t like his idea of journalism.
I feel the same, if you stop watching, you realise prices of course have crept up, but it's not all doom and gloom, you can still find $200 USD 2TB SSDs occasionally. But you know like every price hike due to demand, it will fall through eventually, just like the Crypto boom etc. The whole narrative he's selling which is unaffordable PC hardware just won't hold up over time, people said the same during Crypto in 2017 and 2020 that we won't have enough capacity to keep up with demand, the demand eventually always falls through.
I like watching people make things, and if videos are about tech news I’d prefer either fun or a more professional tone. Much happier watching STH and L1T for tech deep dives or basic reviews. I can survive without GN’s other claim to fame in testing of CPUs/GPUs, the aggregate of a half dozen others gives me something good enough.
His testing really isn't worth much anyways, I mean it's nice seeing a frequency graph and all, but most of the time it's flat basically. If it zips up and down 100-200 MHz does it really matter, is it worth watching his content for it? I don't think it really adds that much value in terms of testing anymore seeing as most CPUs are pushed out of the box to sit flat with boost clocks. Plus a lot of other channels do 1% and 0.1% low testing now. His formerly "technical testing" is kind of overrated now, other channels have caught up a lot.
I check their website for case reviews once a year or so.
This is where he still shines a bit is case reviews, but again others are catching up like GearSeekers has.
but it's not all doom and gloom, you can still find $200 USD 2TB SSDs occasionally.
A few years ago the ATL for a 4TB SSD was around $220 USD. And that was the SN850X, a model with DRAM.
The whole narrative he's selling which is unaffordable PC hardware just won't hold up over time
In 2017, the 1080 Ti was $700 and the 1060 3GB was $200. (Back then, most games didn't need lots of VRAM for 1080p, so the 1060 3GB was a better buy over the 1060 6GB for $300.)
Today, $1000 video cards for not even the flagship model are here to stay, though the 5080 has been marked up to $1200+. The era of a good $200 or even a $300 video card is dead. The 5070 is $600 and that is now considered midrange.
A few years ago the ATL for a 4TB SSD was around $220 USD. And that was the SN850X, a model with DRAM.
Do you know why that was? It's because there was a glut of NAND Flash following COVID. They ramped up supply years prior hoping to cash in on the extreme demand the pandemic brought, but it all fell through and they had too much NAND to sell. Prices came down in a huge way as a result. It's simply a cycle as I iterated in my prior post. That was just the good part of the cycle back then. For months prior to the example you gave, the SN850X was unable to be found under $399 for a 4TB model due to COVID PC demand and PS5 upgraders.
False. In 2017, the 1080 Ti was $700 and the 1060 3GB was $200. (Back then, most games didn't need lots of VRAM for 1080p, so the 1060 3GB was a better buy over the 1060 6GB for $300.)
I don't see how this disproves me wrong? You think just because this is the currently the bad end of the cycle and there's been inflation that this is some sort of dunk on me?
Firstly, 1080 Ti was not $700, the Founder's Edition was, but it was in far lower supply and was the worst cooled version of the 1080 Ti like all the other blower cooler models, much like how the 5090 FE is the worst model of the 5090. If you were buying an enthusiast card like the 1080 Ti, you were not leaving performance on the table by buying the worst model card, you'd buy a decent tier AIB card instead. Most AIB 1080 Ti's went for more than that on Newegg and such.
Today, $1000 MSRP video cards for not even the flagship model are here to stay, though the 5080 has been marked up to $1400. The era of a good $200 or even a $300 video card is over. The 5070 is currently $650 and that is now considered midrange.
What? The 5060 and 9060 XT is more than adequate and even good for gaming and it's around the same price as the 1060 6GB was going for back then at $399 (today a 9060 XT is $345 and 5060 is $349) and we've had inflation. It averages above 60 FPS at 1440p in games today... On top of that, you simply don't need ultra quality textures unless you're playing at 4K. High quality textures is basically the same as Ultra quality textures anyways, most times the setting does nothing in games but overcharge your VRAM buffer for nothing and at 1440p and 1080p the difference is negigible by moving up texture quality. You've always had to compromise on settings at this price bracket... Turning up settings or resolution is a luxury at this price. I think you simply believe every gamer should be able to play demanding singleplayer games at 360 Hz at 1080p at $299. That's never been the case, even back in 2016/2017, watch this review and most games hovered around 60 FPS, even an eSports title like Overwatch was a 120Hz game at highest quality settings 1080p at this price bracket. The 5060 is a decent card when you look at the facts and not some cherrypicked examples from a YouTube channel about how 8GB of VRAM is "bad", in fact it's better than the 1060 was in eSports titles relative to it's time, you can probably play 240Hz Overwatch 2 at 1080p with a 5060 and it still crushes games at 1440p.
As for $1000 5080's, that's about right in today's market with inflation. In 2016 the 1080 was launched at $699 for the FE model and AIB cards at $599, using an inflation calculator from the Bureau of Labor Statistics that's $950.85 and $814.82 respectively. Considering NVIDIA held back 1080 dies for months or couldn't keep up with demand (same problem as today), your only realistic option of getting a 1080 at $599 was to use a bot (I know because I bought my EVGA 1080 FTW in October 2016), the FE model was primarily your only way to get one and at $699 back then you're very close to $1000, the cards have become marginally less affordable when accounting for inflation, by about wait for it... 5% MSRP vs MSRP. This isn't the doom and gloom scenario as you make out it is. $950 MSRP (inflation calculated) vs $1000 MSRP. Oh no that's it, PC Gaming has become unaffordable! /s
Like I said earlier, these things happen in cycles and waves, it goes from 'Doom and Gloom unaffordable days' due to Crypto or AI and then the demand falls through and we have then a glut of supply and you can buy stuff again cheaply. It all depends where you buy in the cycle, it has always seemed unaffordable relative to income when you buy at the peak of the 'doom and gloom' part of the cycle. But affordability is still there if you're realistic with your expectations.
$300 was always the psychological sweet spot because that was cheaper than a console. Now that market is gone except for the Arc B580.
Again, we're in the bad part of the cycle where it's peaked and prices have risen off supply. You could easily buy a 5060 for months at $299, if not $319 at worst. Just because today they are $349 doesn't mean the $299 bracket doesn't exist anymore... It did, but now we're in the bad part of the cycle.
And Intel has <1% market share so no one's buying those. The last great <$300 MSRP card was the 1660 Ti in 2019. Now 7 years later Nvidia has the 5050 for $300 which is not even twice as fast in raster than the 1660 Ti and has to resort to DLSS framegen bullshit in their marketing charts to make it look better than it actually is.
Why lie about easily disprovable stuff? The 5060 is NVIDIA's $299 option. Again, just because we're in the bad part of the cycle, doesn't mean that the 5050 is the $299 option... As I said earlier, you could buy the 5060 for months at $299, there was plenty of opportunity to upgrade. Considering the 5060 is 10% faster than a 3060 Ti and the 3060 Ti was over twice as fast as a 1660 Ti, I'd say NVIDIA has beaten your BS claim of them not doubling performance in the bracket since then. They absolutely have, in fact they exceeded it by about 15-20% or so.
Firstly, 1080 Ti was not $700, the Founder's Edition was
So it was $700. Yes, premium AIBs were $100-200 more. Always been the case. I paid $1150 for my 4080 Super Aorus for the superior HSF. When people talk about pricing they talk about the base model price. I've observed enough launch cycles to know that the only time you should buy a GPU is on launch day because then the prices only go up from there. (The 4080 Super Aorus was unavailable after a week and any restocks were higher than $1150.)
Go watch this HWUnboxed video [1060 3GB vs 6GB]
I did? Showed that the 1060 3GB was about 10% slower because it had 10% less CUDA cores. 3GB at the time was absolutely fine for 1080p gaming.
I think you simply believe every gamer should be able to play demanding singleplayer games at 360 Hz at 1080p at $299.
Uhh no? $300 is 1080p120 territory.
using an inflation calculator
I could go into a long discussion about why inflation calculators are inaccurate relative to actual buying power but spending more than 2 minutes on this reply is pointless. We'll agree to disagree.
Why lie about easily disprovable stuff? The 5060 is NVIDIA's $299 option.
Clever trick. You used archived Newegg links to argue that the 1080/1660 Ti were $60 more and then used a TPU review to argue MSRP. The 5060 is currently $350-360 and while it is 2X faster than the 1660 Ti, the 5050 isn't.
Anyway thread is several days old so thanks for your reply, bye.
Serve the home. you have not lived until you experience the joy that is Patrick giving 1000% percent into each "THIS is Patrick from STH" intro. Love that guy.
TechTechPotato, More than moore, chips and cheese.. there's great analysts out there, often which can talk about tech without being so cynical all the time.
I regularly read STH articles, great for keeping up with industry trends as well as homelab/small office networking gear.
Started watching Tech TechPotato before the fall of AnandTech. Thanks for the other suggestions because I've been craving the indepth nerd shit and only find that in Geekerwan and HighYield whatever his name is.
I was really hoping for more testing after their outrageously expensive investments in testing equipment (hello, 250K Anechoic Testing Chamber) and their testing methodology tutelage to JaysTwoCents (which was seriously impressive and in-depth).
Unfortunately, their channel has been increasingly distributing available resources to the outrage journalism. Some of the pieces like manufacturing insights (such as with Thermal Grizzly) have been interesting, but I've grown tired of spending my free time in the doom and gloom side of their channel.
That's honestly wild, no one with a right mind would believe someone to reduce capacity at this point. I don't need someone to tell me that products goes to the highest bidder (which is 50% of what his content is about) but flat out claiming that production is getting lowered now where demand far outreach supply is just flat out insane.
I watch some of GNs content, but it's getting harder and harder. RageTubing is not something i need. I want information, not overdone reactions. For instance Wendel does this really well (he uses his podcasts for his reactions).
The frustrating this is that one could reasonably be upset with nVidia for prioritizing enterprise/AI over gaming (and think there should be consumer action, regulation, etc. to counteract it), but to say they've abandoned gaming is just misleading hyperbole.
The frustrating this is that one could reasonably be upset with nVidia for prioritizing enterprise/AI over gaming (and think there should be consumer action, regulation, etc. to counteract it),
Uh, no, I don't think it would be reasonable for the government to step in to force a company not to make products that the market find more economically valuable, just to please GamersNexus viewers that want more raytracing on their Cyberpunk.
It's fine for you to have that opinion, but my point is that someone can reasonably have the opinion that governments should prioritize consumers (from gamers to small businesses, etc.) over massive AI datacenters and reasonably advocate that.
And that is a reasonable stance to take, even if some disagree with it, whereas saying price fixing is going on, or that nVidia has given up on gaming as an industry, are both misleading hyperbole if we're being generous, and outright false if we're being purely objective.
Someone can reasonably have a different opinion than you. An opinion is reasonable if it is based in reason and upon reality. You might disagree with their conclusions, and that's fine. I'm not myself making a judgement of such controls.
The point I'm making, is that such as position is based in reason and actually understanding the situation and then deciding the consequences of price or supply controls are worth it and necessary. Even if you disagree with the final conclusion (which is entirely fair), the premise of the thought (that the industry is not doing price fixing, they are prioritizing AI and enterprise over consumers, but that they have not entirely giving up on consumers and "gaming" as an industry) is based in reality, reason, and factual understanding of what the industry does and does not do.
Whereas accusations of price fixing and companies just "giving up" on the gaming industry is not based on reason and facts, and is instead based on hyperbole and false conclusions.
I agree that that is an opinion someone can have, but it is not one they can have reasonably. Price controls on consumer electronics are populist/socialist lunacy.
Someone can reasonably have that opinion, as in it is an opinion that is based in reason and factual understanding of the situation.
Price or supply controls have consequences, you (or I) can think those consequences aren't worth it and that position is dumb. I'm not making a judgment of it.
However the point I'm making, is that such as position is based in reason and actually understanding the situation and how it could be changed. Whereas accusations of price fixing and companies just "giving up" on the gaming industry is not based on reason and facts, and is instead based on hyperbole and false conclusions.
They put out gaming cards. They have their own streaming service that runs on their cards. They revealed a new iteration of DLSS a few weeks ago. Intel abandoned gaming more than Nvidia did. AMD abandoned gaming more than Nvidia did.
Legit believe Samsung and Hynix are out here in the trenches figuring out ways to help consumers out.
They aren't, but that doesn't mean the converse is true. The problem with framing every argument in terms of whether it's pro-corporations or pro-consumers is that you occasionally get bad takes where the pro-corporation side is actually correct, like in this case with GN.
That's honestly wild, no one with a right mind would believe someone to reduce capacity at this point.
You say that but every time there's some disaster affecting memory/hard drive production, the comments are almost always filled with people speculating it's some sort of inside job/conspiracy to lower production so they can make more money.
With only a few major players in these markets that also all happen to have a history of anticompetitive behaviour, it's probably a safe bet that at the very least they're aware of the shortages any choices they make cause and how that might increase their margins. In general, if you look at their financials, despite producing pretty fungible commodities, it's notable that their operating margins are better than those of e.g. things like car manufacturers. That might be reasonable since there's a little more development in memory and storage, but it might also be intentionally caused scarcity. Even the period of dramatic post-covid overproduction was pretty short if you look at e.g. microns finances.
Frankly: I think it's warranted to speculate about malfeasance every single time. Doesn't mean it's always a cartel - but it's clearly a market where being anti-competitive pays well, and it's generally wise to assume people follow the money. Maybe antitrust enforcement is now vigilant enough, but I kind of doubt it; especially not under this administration, but even more generally - markets with so few players often become rent-seeking, and I'm not so sure legal measures will fully fix that - not being quite as blatant about it as last time round isn't the same thing as following the letter let alone spirit of the law.
Thing is, it's true that these companies produced fewer wafers, there are however obvious explanation as to why that happened (early 2025 projections assumed demand would actually be lower than expected, DRAM was a priority, down time spent retooling existing production lines).
Ignoring all that, as well as reports of capital spending and planned expansions, all to craft a narrative, is not something a serious outlet would or should do. Like you said, I want information, I don't want it withheld from me in order to extract more outrage.
That's honestly wild, no one with a right mind would believe someone to reduce capacity at this point.
Honestly if Samsung, TSMC, Intel, etc. said tomorrow "We don't care about profits, we are going to cut chip production for fun.", multiple national governments would force them to reverse course. You think the US government would accept a reduction in chip production during this AI race?
Yeah, I used to be a massive fan of GN, but all this doomerism because of AI is just annoying. Wish he would stick with case reviews, but those don't get the clicks...
To be very fair, it's hard to do scientific reviews of parts. It takes a lot of time, often takes expensive equipment for testing, and it doesn't get many views compared to other forms of content.
It takes a lot of time, often takes expensive equipment for testing, a lot of knowledge/research, and it doesn't get many views compared to other forms of content.
For instance, LTT's power supply reviews. They have dedicated benchmarking staff and a six-figure specialized PSU testing behemoth, but the reviews don't come close to paying for themselves and thus the video versions of them don't get voiced by a human.
True, sad reality of things. Look at Rtings, they needed to paywall their content because it just doesn't pay the bills anymore. It is getting harder and harder to do these sorts of reviews
It's just hard to do scientific reviews of parts. It takes a lot of time, often takes expensive equipment for testing, a lot of knowledge/research, and it doesn't get many views compared to other forms of content.
This. I used to review power supplies for jonnyGURU.com, and after years of seeing people say they wished we were still doing them, I decided to try doing a few on my YouTube channel to see how it went.
Anyway, I bought six power supplies for a trial run and the way it's looking I won't be buying any more. I'm not enjoying it enough anymore to lose money.
For me, somewhere they changed from being uncompromisingly unbiased to being… just looking at everything from the most negative angle possible. I dont know maybe its me. Its just not pleasant to watch anymore. I want to be excited for the good things as well
may have started earlier, but I noticed it about a year ago. I think Steve liked the increased views and traction from constantly shitting on nvidia during the 50 series launch and lost himself in it.
I think another thing I dislike is that there's lots of room to criticize the current state of the industry/how society sets up the industry without making it into a conspiracy of companies conspiring to keep prices high (which has happened sometimes, but is not the norm).
Like yes, companies are prioritizing AI and enterprise. Yes they are raising prices because supply can't keep up with demand. That's not a conspiracy and we don't need to make it one to criticize it or say that it should not be that way.
It's definitely depressing - and another example of a channel following the algorithm and what's getting eyeballs instead of holding to their principles.
Yep. Then they get on their high horse in regards to the lie and rage/click bait. The funny thing is they are literally doing exactly what they are claiming these companies are doing. They are lying, withholding information, manipulating data/statistics to tell a certain narrative for more views/money. I can’t really watch them anymore.
The LTT situation was actually when I realized they were doing this. Linus texted their old phone number accidentally, and they tried to frame it as Linus knowingly texting a wrong number to appear genuine online. This kind of basically hearsay/speculation is not what a journalist does.
Yeah, and as the stories came out, it was clear GN "conveniently" left out some very key details from their narrative. It's pretty obvious, especially in retrospect, what they were doing.
Turns out these companies were/are retooling their fabs to produce higher density NAND flash, which requires down time and results in lowered overall wafer production.
Yes I'm sure the manufacturers had no idea that retooling would lead to decreased capacity, and therefore increased prices. They're just tiny startups after all.
The cited article actually lays out the entire nuance in three paragraphs:
“The prevailing view is that the reduction in NAND output at Samsung Electronics and SK hynix reflects that capital spending priorities have shifted toward DRAM, which shows the highest profitability metrics. In addition, as demand for high-capacity SSDs for AI data centers grows, natural output losses are inevitable during the process of converting lines to QLC (quad-level cell). The transition from existing triple-level cell (TLC) technology to QLC, which is better suited for AI data centers, involves multiple factors such as equipment setup, stabilization periods and initial Production yield.
Executives at Samsung Electronics and SK hynix are also said to see no reason to push to increase NAND output. For NAND, profitability has deteriorated for a long period to the point that Samsung Electronics and SK hynix had to focus on defending prices, and they can use this memory supercycle to maximize profits as much as possible. A semiconductor industry official said, "It is unclear whether the NAND cuts by Samsung Electronics and SK hynix are intentional or natural, but either way, the gains from the cuts will be greatest this year."
Some also say the move reflects awareness that supply of commodity Chinese NAND is increasing. Unlike Samsung Electronics and SK hynix, China's YMTC has been raising its profile in the NAND market since last year and steadily increasing volume. To counter low-priced competition from China, the companies appear intent on reducing NAND supply to mobile and PCs to defend profitability, while increasing server and enterprise volumes to manage the production mix.”
Business decisions are obviously multi-factor. But even the Chosun.biz writers who include all this nuance still conclude that supply was reduced primarily to drive profits.
If I'm reporting on a murder suspect who's killed before, is it okay if I intentionally leave parts of the police report/media briefing that might cast doubt on his guilt? I mean the guy's done it before and is a suspect now, lock him up, the public doesn't need all the information.
Sorry for jumping to an extreme example like that, but you don't seem to understand what the issue is.
GN'S suspicion of the nand industry is entirely justified and based on the fact that the industry has a long, well-documented history of collusion and price fixing (with prosecutions and convictions).
They're deliberately omitting information that's being reported by multiple sources, all presumably in order of supporting their narrative which would be undermined by including it.
I cannot see how it would be justifiable, purely because these companies have a history of similar behavior. If it's happening again, prove it instead of twisting fact to lie about it.
No real information is being reported, just corporate statements taken at face value. Just like car chip shortage in an era of low as fuck car sales impacted by a pandemic virus. This time the pendulum is on the other side. They were cutthroating each other on price and realized "independently" that they had to cut production and jack up their prices because they wer being left out of the AI party cake.
These companies aren't saints. I don't think anyone believes they are, but it's also a bit absurd to point to an event 20+ years ago as evidence for something today.
No, the last major price fixing conviction was 2002. Do you when the US DoJ basically stopped enforcing antitrust law? It was 2002 (with a brief attempt at doing so again from 2021-2024 that is now being unwound).
So you tell me, did the proven price fixers stop price fixing, or did the government just stop regulating?
Other countries can investigate and prosecute price fixing too. There were allegations in 2017 that were thrown out.
So you tell me, did the proven price fixers stop price fixing, or did the government just stop regulating?
If you're going to claim that every major nation just topped regulating price fixing, then you need some real, substantial evidence that it's still happening.
And prices being high when demand is far outstripping supply isn't evidence of price fixing.
Only a handful of nations are actually big and powerful enough to regulate the tech industries. And,
yeah, every major industrialized economy that could enforce antitrust law has more or less given up on doing so for ~20 years. Perhaps you've noticed the world turning into a late-stage-capitalist hellscape during that time?
So the EU doesn't count? https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/eu-court-cuts-intels-eu-antitrust-fine-2025-12-10/
Or even the US? https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets
There is still a lot of anti-trust and other major fines and prosecution against tech companies, both software and hardware. In large part, because developed countries realize that RAM manufacturers colluding to increase prices is bad for the national economy, and would be especially bad for AI by making it even more expensive.
But ya know, let's go ahead and assume you're right, and that every developed nation is actually just ignoring blatant price fixing. Can you point me to the evidence of that clear price fixing?
Read those articles. The first one shows intel getting their fine more then cut in half. When you can make billions of dollars from monopolistic practices, and then pay ~$150 million in fines, you aren't actually being stopped by regulation. This is the pattern of non-enforcement in the US (and increasingly in the EU). Regulators stop bringing many cases, and when they do, they assess miniscule penalties (relative to the scale of the businesses they are regulating). And then the whole thing is covered as "company pays biggest fine ever assessed" even though the fine is 0.00000003% of the company's annual profits.
You’re moving the goalposts. First they don’t ever enforce antitrust, now they do but the fines are too low. We can also look at much higher fines like Google being fined $3.5 billion just last year. Is that an insubstantial fine?
I ask the question again, what evidence is there that the current prices are due to illegal collusion?
No, i am offering more details about the mechanisms through which enforcement has lapsed: the total number of enforcement actions are way down, and the penalties assessed have not kept pace with the size of the companies being regulated.
And yes, Google absolutely skated in their cases last year. Judge Mehta shit the bed. $3.5 billion is pocket change for Google. Their revenue is something like $100 billion per quarter, so that fine is less than 5% of their quarterly income. It's significantly less than Google pays apple each year just to be the default iOS search engine (an arrangement they were not forced to end). Their "punishment" is that they can keep their monopoly, but at a slightly lower profit margin.
As for proof if collusion with nand: when proving price fixers start behaving in exactly the same ways they behaved the last several times they were price fixing, AND prices start to go up again, it's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical. When companies are all announcing in their earnings call that demand is skyrocketing and they expect prices to more than double, but no one is actually trying to compete or presenting any plans to improve their market share by lowering prices, then it looks like collusion.
Mixed in with a few settlements too and the average consumer is lucky to get maybe $5 back at the end of it, which due to inflation will really be more like $3.
Nah they would never do that, they definitively didnt fuck over ltt for nothing at all and ending up having to fire like half their writers because of this
No but you are the one who has spent - what - 2 minutes (or more!) now talking about them when you TOTALLY don't care. That means that you are actively participating in a discussion about something you have no interest in because you have nothing better to do. That's just pathetic man, get a hobby.
Why would i be projecting? I am interested in this topic so my commenting on it makes sense; I'm doing something I'm interested in. We can't be the same, necessarily. I don't think any time can truly be wasted if spent doing something that interests you; on the contrary doing something you're not interested in for no real gain is necessarily time wasted.
The vast, overwhelming majority of their content should have been articles in the first place, but articles don't pay the bills like YouTube videos. So they stopped simultaneously posting the articles as well, and now they get time delayed AND aren't even linked in the video descriptions anymore.
Now they found something that pays the bills even better: public outrage. I'm zero percent surprised.
If the goal had been journalistic integrity from the start, they'd at least still link to their own articles in the video descriptions so I can look at a CHART
Yeah, if I'm really interested in a product, I'll watch his review if he has it (though his reviews are always way too long and mostly just him reading off PowerPoint slides for 20-30 minutes.)
This is basically every single content creator who makes their 'niche' being a 'consumer advocate.' They inevitably just become haters who construe everything in the worst possible light, or even deliberately misconstrue things, so that they can position themselves as the champion who is bravely exposing the corporate wrongdoing and fighting on the viewer's behalf a David vs Goliath battle against it.
Omdia NAND market tracker numbers tend to get revised. In November, another Chosun Biz report cited Omdia saying Samsung had reduced its 2025 NAND wafer output to 4.72 million, from 5.07 million in 2024 – a 12.8 percent cut. Now it says Samsung produced 4.9 million wafers in 2025, not 4.72 million.
I bet 2023 to 2024 also saw a larger production reduction. Anyway, QLC was supposed to be cheaper but that's not the case. SSD prices sky-rocketed and you are backing GN here as this suggest they do have the capacity, they just simply not using them.
The part you quoted was already included in the video
At the beginning of 2025, most projections had NAND demand growing less than expected and NAND production to be cut by 10-20%. Despite down time to retool facilities to denser QLC, as well as shifting mixed NAND/DRAM plants to produce more DRAM, the decline in overall wafers was much smaller and overall bit production should've gone up.
Furthermore, as the ZDNet article says, Samsung and Sk Hynix are planning to keep increasing production. Another article focusing on just their investments in China
The caveat is, obviously, that switching to manufacturing different NAND type on a different process takes time and requires down time, which will result in temporary decrease in production.
That is, however, not the same thing as deliberate collusion and market manipulation to keep prices high.
yep because these channels determine which of their videos do well and if those are doom and gloom videos then they produce that, because in the end, for most people, money governs their actions.
honestly I can't even be mad at GN for what there doing. There doing what literately every company does.
Journalism and unbiased news is gone. That died a long time ago. Now they just cater to there target audience.
Like said I can't even get angry at it. News has evolved into reality tv. Anyone that says it hasn't might not be wrong but might not be right either. Depending on what you want to here. There is a unbiased new station willing to tell you it.
I've followed Steve longer than LMG and still look to him and HUB for actual hardware releases, but sometimes I miss his older pieces/style that were just facts and not a random minute here and there overly rambling about some minor thing, or repeated harping about the same noise in every video. We all know what's going on (especially his core audience), I just don't need to hear several extra minutes about this or that negativity in every video.
This is all a part of the normal reddit discourse now: OP > I disagree with OP > I can't believe there are people who disagree with OP > It's because this site is flooded with bots
To me, these constant lamentations about "the death of discourse" on Reddit feel more like actual derailment of constructive discussions than what they posit is happening.
I don't know if people are maybe over-extrapolating from the state where comment threads are fresher, more uniform and the early opinions hold more voting power, but usually when I open up a comment section that is a few hours old, I feel like there's a reasonable breadth of opinion.
This sub is starting to resemble r/aliens, where every idiot calling a birthday balloon a UFO accuses everyone saying it's a balloon of being an astroturfing fed.
LOL! He is certainly loud and popular in the gaming sphere, and that is probably why you say that, but he is no way unique. He benefits and plays on the incessant commercialization of DYI PC and is in that way part of the problem. He plays into the oldest trick in the book by these companies, in which companies bloat their perceived value add and normalizing their solutions as a a running service. Things being called out 20 years ago. The truth of the matter is that the average gamer is still very young and are captured in a bubble they can't even see, and Steve is is the absolute crystallization of this. The problem with these channels is that they believe they can't go back to basics and go in a new direction, probably because they themselves are driven by the supposed greed they so complain about.
If it's content he wants me watch then yes? Why would I watch someone who I find the way he presents himself and his content in a way i find extremely annoying and appealing.
I can almost guarantee you no one is trying to manipulate the market by telling randos on a niche hardware sub that GN is full of it. If this was WSB than maybe you’d have some legs to stand on.
No but since covid there hasn't been any place on reddit from deviation from the vote hivemind. The solution is real simple: get rid of voting. Better yet: get rid of financial incentives corrupting discourse and go return to forums.
Oof! Yeah, I used to watch a lot of his videos and even bought GN's deskmat and DnD dice set. Now I've been unsubscribed for a while because of all the rage bait and constant "the sky is falling!!1!1" from them. I appreciate a the work he's done in bringing light to brands not respecting their warranties, buying certain motherboard and GPUs from viewers at full price when their warranty claims have been denied for specific reasons, and the older pre-built reviews he did but these days I can't be bothered to sit through a 15 minute video much less a 40+ minute video ranting about something.
If you want actual reporting on new interesting things Tech Tech Potato or whatever Ian Cutress’ channel is called is pretty good, most market dynamic stuff like what GN does now is completely boring unless it’s ragebait. Semiengineering and chipsandcheese are pretty good websites if you want some deeper understandings of things, semiengineering is basically just industry pros selling their new things but it’s still very interesting, chipsandcheese is mainly just some smart guys testing processors and trying to reverse engineer some architecture decisions
Unfortunately that’s what seems to sell now. He is def one of the worst though. Nothing unites an audience like a common enemy. The guy can’t even do one small video on some hardware without providing his rage baiting pretentious views.
With tech in a stagnant death spiral because of AI if techtubers don't put out videos like this every day they get shafted by the algorithm, same reason I had to unsubscribe to JayzTwoCents, just can't listen to 'the sky is falling!!!' all day, every day
Not defending the repetitive content, but if your entire channel revolves around consumer PC hardware, and consumer PC hardware is pricing out the vast majority of consumers, would the sky not be falling for you? People are not going to enjoy watching build videos of you putting together some mid range build that used to be $1200 that is now $2500+
They either feed the YT algorithm what is going to keep the lights on and pay their staff & provide for their families, or watch everything collapse since we don’t really have any idea when or even if the AI bubble is going to collapse.
His recent Crimson Desert bench kinda showed the glimpse of the usual GN. Simulation\animation error tests are neat. And while it's still "40 minutes of reading graphs" as one commenter pointed, it's still a valuable content. Even if it has some DLSS jokes.
They created a different channel for GN consumer advocacy. At this point I kinda want content like this to get its own channel. "GN's World of Tech" or something. Put all the investigations and editorials on the current state of the tech landscape there.
As someone who mostly likes and agrees with the content, one thing that bothers me is how the vast majority of this stuff isn't going on GNCA. That just obviously says "we won't get the clicks we want". Why create that channel then? A head fake to separating this stuff?
The only other thing that bothers me is I've detected a slight hint of self aggrandizing when he says things like "our investigative reporting". It was used recently to refer to something they did that wasn't anything special and bothered me. I don't think they need to change any content - but be self deprecating about it. You're still just a PC gaming YouTube channel. Tech journalism is mostly garbage, the standard isn't high, but look at for example Last Week Tonight with John Oliver - they're not declaring their stories "our big investigations". They also don't have to ask for donations/merch sales to support them. So there is a bit of a hype/marketing circle jerk that's going into this.
Ever since I got involved with PCs in the late 80s and early 90s the prices of components invariably dropped over time. Boy, has that really been flipped around.
Unpopular opinion - RAMageddon is actually a good thing. Longer upgrade cycles, less e-waste polluting the environment and more people buying used.
The vast majority of people who need a computer don't really need the latest and greatest anyway, when DDR4 (or even DDR3) hardware works perfectly fine.
The thing is that the memory is still being produced, probably more than ever. And when datacenters will need to upgrade in a couple of years, we will have so much e-waste anyway
Lots of the data enter stuff will be under contract to be destroyed. Lots of small businesses will be holding on to any new hardware like their life depends on it because it kinda might.
You realize everything went up? A normal company which produces devices needing Ram or Flash gets screwed. We pay 10x for flash compared to the last 10 years.
So much cattle in this thread refusing to acknowledge how they are getting screwed by multi-billion dollar companies and decide instead to criticise GN for not doing case review #63 when people cant afford ram anymore
If these 2 PC’s broke, is time to find a new hobby I guess
PC is not the only way to play video games you know. Buying a used current gen console can be had for less than a mid range GPU. There are also older consoles that can be hacked and filled with any games you want, with community made peripherals that make the pre-HDMI consoles compatible with modern TVs.
I read it quite the opposite: He’s the most redditor-like personality. Everything about maximum engagement, farming controversy and stoking populist rage.
You comment this on every one of his vids that gets posted here. I think you're projecting your own hair insecurities and/or maybe have a crush on "this guy" since you seem eager to comment that every time you find a post with his face on it.
He's probably bald. As a grown man with a head full of hair, every time I decide to grow it out, bald people specifically get weirdly obsessed with telling me to get a haircut. Only bald people. It's jealously
No I think you just have a weird obsession with him and are trying to deflect by talking about downvotes. I'm talking about how weird it is for you to even comment at all.
All these people complaining about the video from a different website that they don’t need to visit on the website where you can literally just scroll past it.
They sound like they were forced to watch The whole thing from start to finish with their eyes taped open like in Clockwork Orange.
We're in a market where most viewers can't afford new hardware. It would be pretty tasteless to be doing benchmarks of grossly marked up hardware that 5% of hos audience can afford, while not mentioning the elephant in the room that is affecting 95% of his audience.
The PC hobby has never been cheap. Pandering to people who can't afford anything isn't a great idea when you business model is dependant on advertising.
AI also loves ragebait as it causes more traffic to happen. It's kind of ironic in a way, crate a video on how ai is bad only for it to increase AI activity.
You do realize this is actually part of his WTF series of videos and not his general stuff. The guy has different streams videos, which cover different aspects of the market and his WTF videos just a part of that
you're right, i thought it was. i jumped the gun because i'm so used to discourse everywhere i'm subbed being dominated by a constant flow of naysayers, contrarians, and bots. carry on your crusade.
I said bots or trolls. For example, someone lime yourself, who is active on multiple AI subreddits, coming to troll a video about consumer hardware prices being fucked by AI.
I honestly see the most out of touch opinions and outright bootlicking in this subreddit, but I stay here because it's still a decent link aggregator. It's a sad state of affairs when r/gaming has better takes than the majority of commentators here (notably on DLSS5)
They're not even engaging with the content of the video, calling out errors or disagreeing with points Steve made, it's just 'WAAAH GN STOP HURTING MY FEELINGS'.
We get it, you live in your bubble and don't like to be reminded that the world is fucked. Or you are supporting the fuckery. Either way, you are not the target audience of these videos. They are for people who still care.
I have a good feeling a good chunk of the people being upset by the points made are the very sneakerheads that started to invade the space in the wake of GeForce 30/40 and the first round of Verified Priority Access, that weren't too pleased that the market became okay later on into GeForce 40 and into early GeForce 50 (NVIDIA's dogshit MSRPs notwithstanding).
The price manipulation (because you can't say the R-word here without getting dogpiled) perpetuated by the OEMs also ends up cascading onto the second-hand market as FUD/FOMO sets in, which they stand to benefit hugely from. But this time, now the OEMs have the "AI" buzzword to fall back on, and people will eat it hook, line, and sinker, without accounting/auditing for whether the hardware is actually going there or if it's actually OEMs just happy to rest on their laurels, or even trim production as mentioned in this piece.
Channels like these are just completely irrelevant in this day and age. I honestly don't care about how quiet a case is or how many watts a fan pulls. He seems to be trying hard to justify his existence but ultimately a boring useless show to be honest.
Him, LTT, Paul's Hardware, And the other guy I can't remember. The guy who loves his mustangs.
Look at me I am GN I am literally retreading the same topic for the gazillionth time in the same 4 months and while also talking like I am an absolute authority of knowledge and morals
He does this while also making bank twisting the truth in the way he presents facts and data. Literally doing what he claims to despise. If you take the time to fact check the articles or info he quotes in its entire context you’ll see this.
Yeah it's become tiresome. Still hasn't reviewed the very affordable 9060 XT 8GB which he received months ago. But remember if he doesn't do what he's doing PC Gaming is going to become unaffordable apparently.
jigsaw1024@reddit
Hey GN, we get it, AI is f@cking everything in the PC space for prices. From the sounds of things, CPUs may be next. That just leaves, checks list (~~RAM~~, ~~GPU~~, ~~SSD~~, ~~HDD~~, ~~CPU~~, MB, Case, PSU, Cooling)
Maybe test some Chinese RAM you buy off Ali for stability and OCing or something?
gusthenewkid@reddit
All of these guys are missing out on actual helpful content like purchasing crappy used sticks like micron and overclocking them to see how they stack up.
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
LTT kinda went in the opposite direction.
https://youtu.be/05HRLuU--jI?si=_EKuP3xbXvnrrDMX&t=1m20s
gusthenewkid@reddit
Yeah, it’s just crap testing. No multiplayer games, no MMO’s. Using Alan wake as a ram speed test is silly.
streetcredinfinite@reddit
No simulation games which are actually the most demanding on memory performance.
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
Which simulation games?
kuddlesworth9419@reddit
Sea Power Naval Combat in the Missile Age would probably be a good test.
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
I know you probably ideally need a lot of it but is it more sensitive to bandwidth or latency though? For games like factorio or cities: skylines its typically the latter. A CL32 6400MT kit has the same latency as CL40 4800MT.
streetcredinfinite@reddit
They are sensitive to both. Latency for early game, bandwidth for late game mega basing.
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
how sensitive? Are we talking double digit percentages or are we talking a handful of FPS? Because basically nobody has shown me an example of a game that's unplayable with slow ram. No offense but people need to get a grip. Just because there's a difference doesn't make it meaningful.
streetcredinfinite@reddit
Go look up endgame benchmarks with DSP and factorio. You get higher UPS with more memory bandwidth.
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
Yeah but it's also comparing 8-9 year old CPUs running DDR4. If they were able to hit acceptable UPS rates back then it would only be easier now.
streetcredinfinite@reddit
Only true if content didn't change which is false because there will always be more stuff to simulate. And we got a DLC adding more stuff.
gusthenewkid@reddit
DDR5 tuning is massive. On a 14900k I saw upto 40% in 1% lows and 30% on average on multiple games.
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
Impressive. What speed are you now? Do you think the difference would be as apparent on a mid level build with a non-k chip or AMD? I guess my last questions would be what are you running settings wise for resolution and eye candy and do were the stutters significant enough to notice or negatively affect gameplay? I guess I'm asking is if someone didn't know any better do you think they'd have a problem with it? Genuinely always interested to learn more, I just see what people accept as playable on consoles, handhelds and mobile and wonder if their standards are really any different once they move over to a PC.
gusthenewkid@reddit
8266 CL34. The difference won’t be quite so large on a non K chip, but the 7700x and 9700x, 7500f etc see decent gains for sure.
I guess that entirely depends on how sensitive you are to stutter, it bothers me massively so I always notice it. Coming from consoles, probably not.
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
Damn she go FAST, boy. Half the latency of 4800 cl40.
kuddlesworth9419@reddit
I have no idea but I'm running it on DDR4 2133 so it's probably not that bad.
streetcredinfinite@reddit
DSP
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
Don't get me wrong, it's definitely not very thorough testing, but at the same time there's plenty of people who don't care about those games at all or play casually enough for it to not bother them. Part of why CS2 is still so popular is because it runs on a potato.
gusthenewkid@reddit
CS2 runs extremely poorly on slow CPU’s. You can’t just test ram with games that don’t really benefit and then conclude that fast ram is a waste of time and money.
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
In the conclusion section they didn't really say definitively one way or another, nor did they test any slow CPUs. They actually acknowledged that older Intel platforms may be more sensitive. My takeaway is that it really depends on what you're doing and what you personally consider to be a meaningful gain.
jigsaw1024@reddit
I haven't seen an OC livestream from GN in ages either, and Intel just released some new chips, so...
Also, a video on just buying used, and places to look
elkond@reddit
buildzoid's channel and discord is just a few clicks away
Dreamerlax@reddit
I love Buildzoid. I can hear him ramble about motherboards all day lol.
elkond@reddit
"short video today" 1.5h later 😂
KARMAAACS@reddit
Much better and more informative too. Remember when GN used to have Buildzoid best motherboard videos on his channel? I remember.
elkond@reddit
just dont use old videos as reference, e.g. his old ram timings guides are NOT what is recommended by him right now but u wont see that updated
pdp10@reddit
Micron/Crucial, Samsung, and SK Hynix are the only ones who actually manufacture DRAM any more. There's a reason why that's original equipment in servers and laptops, not binned chips mounted on a PCB by a third party, with an ugly but shark-edged heatsink and RGB gamer marketing added.
gusthenewkid@reddit
Yeah, I’m aware. I don’t really understand the point of your comment. I was on about comparing all of the different dies for OC. Early micron maxed out at 5400 absolute max so it could be interesting to compare lots of dies.
General_Session_4450@reddit
That would stupid waste of money, only reasonable thing is to just not buy anything at all for 2-3 years and hope prices comes down eventually.
gusthenewkid@reddit
I already own multiple kits tho
Joezev98@reddit
Motherboards have gotten so much more expensive, under the guise of "but we need much more complex and expensive PCB's for PCIE 4.0" later followed by "But we need much more complex and expensive PCB's for PCIE 5.0"
PSU's have also gotten a lot more expensive per watt, along with more power hungry CPU's and GPU's requiring higher wattage PSU's.
wankthisway@reddit
The whole mobo lineup is expected to be able to power every chip as well. All the way from A to Z chipsets
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
Moreover, they're expected to power every chip with 25°C+ of safety margin and no active cooling.
Joezev98@reddit
I saw a post earlier today of someone receiving a case... with a cheap pc inside. It was an AM4 motherboard with some of the most basic VRM's and only a 4-pin EPS connector, so 144 W max. I was surprised to learn that the r9 5950x has a TDP of 105W and a maximum power draw of 142 W. Sure, there will be more voltage ripple, but it is rated to safely run the CPU at stock specs. That whole 20+4-phase VRM craze with dual 8-pin EPS is really unnecessary.
Exist50@reddit
Worth keeping in mind that it's current, not power, that drives the lion's share of power deliver costs. And high end SKUs tend to push very high currents, even if power is kept low via lower voltages.
Also, especially on Intel platforms, there's been a proliferation in the number and demands on non-core rails ever since FIVR was dropped.
tarpdetarp@reddit
Monitors are still going down in price, don’t need many of those in data centres. I recently got an OLED for half of what they cost a year so.
nohpex@reddit
And Nvidia's Pulsar tech is making waves in the LCD space, basically solving perceived motion blur.
akuncoli@reddit
650 dollar for ips... when now you can get oled monitor with that price?
ivandagiant@reddit
Apparently you'd need like a 1000Hz OLED to get the same motion clarity as the pulsar monitors, so for people who prioritize motion clarity it makes sense
n0stalghia@reddit
I code on at home for 16-26 hours a week, given how long my work-from-home days are, and how much time I'm willing to code on weekends for personal projects
I object to buying a monitor that will burn in 5, 10 years down the line
PXLShoot3r@reddit
It's a completely new backlight tech. I was surprised that it was that "cheap". Also this is not a product for people who consider buying an OLED. It's for people who want the least possible motion blur and don't care about anything else.
isekai_cheese@reddit
GN is sort of the 'dirty jobs' of tech-content that is essential counter-balance to the "everything is good" happy vibe generic youtuber. somebody has to report the bad news. would u rather have linus sugar coat it for you?
Alternative_Star755@reddit
The noble work of producing content for those that need ragebait? I'm sure it's a tough career path
isekai_cheese@reddit
to me its just news? if you ragebait over that its on you lil bro.
Alternative_Star755@reddit
All I see are his thumbnails and titles, and all that ever tries to engage me with is “here is next thing you should be mad about”
Sorry if you think that gives you an enlightened “I know the real news” vibe
KeonXDS@reddit
So you're fine with companies treating you like shit?
Alternative_Star755@reddit
Not the same thing. I just don’t need to live my life in perpetual anger, which is all you can do if you endlessly engage with that content.
KeonXDS@reddit
So you're saying the thousands of people that watch his content and agree with him are living their life in "perpetual anger" and not the few hundreds that have a problem with him because he uploaded a video? Going by his content trend, his noctua PC case review only gained 150k+ views, whereas this video has already surpassed that in less than 24hrs, going against your narrative of "how much GN has fallen" by making such content.
ryanvsrobots@reddit
Exactly, they’re pandering for views instead of following their ethos and just doing good hardware testing.
Crimtos@reddit
Negative content / outrage content naturally gets more traction and your own data point there supports it. Traditional case/hardware reviews get less views in a week than what outrage content gets in 1 day. If you look at GN's last 8 videos you can see he has released 3 WTF (WTF is in the title or thumbnail) ragebait videos and 1 about how discord is going down the tubes and killing itself and all 4 of these videos have 3-5x the viewcount of cpu and case reviews.
TristheHolyBlade@reddit
The projection is wild. You genuinely can't imagine a balance of watching various content creators with varying moods, tones, and amounts of positivity/negativity, can you? Holy shit.
BighatNucase@reddit
This is a perfect example of the problem with this style of content.
DerExperte@reddit
So you admit to not watching the videos. Thus you're the one ragebaiting. A word that already has run its course in regards to GN, you folks can stop spamming it all over the place, it has become sheep- aka bot-like. And yea, seeing your comments it's really friggin' hard to not feel superior and better informed.
JapariParkRanger@reddit
I watch GN and have watched for a decade. His content has taken a much sharper turn towards Fox News-esque outrage, condescension, and ridicule in the last year or two.
Alternative_Star755@reddit
I make my point as someone who used to watch GN. It is worth it to me to complain about the sorry state they’ve become 🤷
chlamydia1@reddit
People don't need a Youtuber to tell them to be mad about rising prices. What a dumb comment.
isekai_cheese@reddit
bro every youtuber has 'crafted thumbnails' for min maxing engagement and clicks etc. stop being so petty acting so righteous lmao
Future_Noir_@reddit
Bizarre comments here. Seems to be manufactured outrage.
Just reporting on reality. "rage bait" lol.
KommandoKodiak@reddit
There is nothing people hate more than the truth
hieronymous-cowherd@reddit
And the Scottish
GraXXoR@reddit
You two seem to be saying the same thing
qtx@reddit
^ it's always funny seeing people that haven't quite figured out they are being grifted upon clinging on to the last few straws.
GN is telling you the things you want to hear.
He isn't reporting the bad news, he is turning every bit of news into bad news because he knows it will trigger and enrage you, which earns him more money.
Gamers aren't the most mental stable people out there so they're are easy pickings for grifters.
chlamydia1@reddit
What is the good news out there?
ryanvsrobots@reddit
You’re just describing how it’s outrage bait. That’s not healthy.
isekai_cheese@reddit
your perspective is flawed bc you're a mod who reads bad news all day.
Dependent-Title-1362@reddit
Why are you mad at GN?
Sharp_eee@reddit
But that wouldn’t garner the views and validation they are seeking.
This_isR2Me@reddit
Why are you so mad
Albert__Meilenstein@reddit
It’s getting out of hand. First, we see manufacturers swapping NAND components silently behind our backs, and now this absolute mess Gamers Nexus is uncovering. It feels like the entire hardware industry is moving towards "maximum margin, minimum longevity."
Whether it's SSDs failing or GPUs being launched with insufficient memory specs just to push the next generation—we as consumers are being treated like beta testers for overpriced hardware. Trust is at an all-time low. Thanks to Steve for shining a light on this.
DevilsPlaything42@reddit
I'll just try and fit in... (ahem)
YAY RICH PEOPLE WOOHOO IM SO GLAD TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR PROFITS THROUGH EVER-RISING RESOURCE COSTS
doodwhersmycar@reddit
Holy shit this sub and these comments are mental. One of the few pro consumer advocates, talking about how consumers are getting fucked over again and buffoon comments.
LockingSlide@reddit
It's probably futile but I'll try
GN is way past consumer advocacy, honestly even past rage bait. They're deliberately framing things in dishonest ways to sell the sky is falling, every company is conspiring to keep hardware from gamers narrative.
Example just from this video - you see the article they showed about lowered NAND production, fewer wafers produced in 2025. GN concludes that companies are deliberately cutting production to maintain higher prices.
Let's look at the whole article, then.
https://www.blocksandfiles.com/ai-ml/2026/01/20/samsung-sk-hynix-cut-nand-wafer-output-to-shore-up-margins/4090555
Turns out these companies were retooling their fabs to produce higher density NAND flash, which requires down time and results in lowered overall wafer production.
If GN was interested in unbiased, factual journalism like they and all their fans claim, they'd include this in the video, it's literally right there in the article. But they didn't, and I think the reason why should be obvious at this point.
BIT-NETRaptor@reddit
GN seemed to lock in on social media outrage culture as their core audience. It got really bad a few years back and I unsubbed. A couple months passed and I started to appreciate how much less cynical content I was consuming. He went too doomer for my taste and I don’t like his idea of journalism.
I like watching people make things, and if videos are about tech news I’d prefer either fun or a more professional tone. Much happier watching STH and L1T for tech deep dives or basic reviews. I can survive without GN’s other claim to fame in testing of CPUs/GPUs, the aggregate of a half dozen others gives me something good enough.
I check their website for case reviews once a year or so.
leandoer2k3@reddit
Exactly this, was watching their GPU/CPU reviews religiously since 900 series. From in depth disassembly and performance benchmarks in 10-15minute videos, to now 40+ minute videos yapping about "leather jacket man! *smirks*" or the nth remark about no stock or higher than msrp pricing with added reddit humor was just the limit for me...
My current tech channels solely consist of smaller creators who have interesting ideas or have fun budget builds, just like LTT used to back in its early days, as all the big name channels have completely sold out for clicks or sponsors IMO.
Jaurusrex@reddit
How does LTT sell out? aside from their waterbottles ofc
leandoer2k3@reddit
It just feels like watching Tech Mr.Beast.
Half the videos are members only (Why? You already have floatplane...) Every video is an unboxing of a sponsored item, the unending era of "watch my employees work on my house", or other flashy expensive title. Even a simple series like scrapyard wars went from budget 300$ builds to 2000$ builds in the end... My guess being that its not as profitable to have 2 camera teams running around town than just filming an unboxing or just yapping in front of a camera, but that's why it has gotten stale and corporate for me, they became too professional for something that is stupid simple to do. And the other reason being that the most entertaining personalities have parted ways from LTT.
skinlo@reddit
Surely that becomes stale as well?
leandoer2k3@reddit
Everything does, but still, my opinion kinda explains why 1 form of entertainment is the vast majority while the other has completely stopped.
BioshockEnthusiast@reddit
That was a YouTube side change that they protested against and wound up removing their YouTube members program entirely until it was fixed.
They're sponsored by firetrucks?
They've discussed this, when exciting AND attainable hardware releases aren't happening they need to figure out a way to make their content interesting. They've got a new "tech house" series where they're basically doing a techie house flip following the same reasoning.
Yea because they evolved the formula from a gaming PC to a full desk setup to a home theater.
No one works at one company forever and at least they don't shackle employees under non-competes and fuck with their livelihoods.
I'm not here to stan for LTT, no one is being forced to like or watch their content, but nearly everything you wrote here is either heresay or straight up incorrect. I get that everyone has content preferences, but not everything needs to be made for you or anyone else or everyone all at once. If you don't like the product then it's better to just not engage with it instead of regurgitating lies you heard on the internet and didn't fact check for yourself. If it's causing harm that you feel the need to speak up about then educate yourself before you just repeat a bunch of bullshit.
henryhuy0608@reddit
If anything LMG is one of the better companies regarding former employees leaving to pursue their own content-creation path.
ivandagiant@reddit
A bit of a nitpick, I don't think the commenter was referring to the firetruck video.
On the otherhand, this is EXACTLY what I thought of when he said LTT has turned into "Tech Mr. Beast"
I watch LTT regularly but yeah the content has really changed and more of it is this sort of Mr. Beast type content.
BioshockEnthusiast@reddit
I've genuinely never watched a mr beast video so I can't really comment on that.
I agree with you that calling LTT a sellout seems uncharitable. If Linus was a sellout he would've taken that $100MM buyout offer and hit the bricks.
KARMAAACS@reddit
I feel the same, if you stop watching, you realise prices of course have crept up, but it's not all doom and gloom, you can still find $200 USD 2TB SSDs occasionally. But you know like every price hike due to demand, it will fall through eventually, just like the Crypto boom etc. The whole narrative he's selling which is unaffordable PC hardware just won't hold up over time, people said the same during Crypto in 2017 and 2020 that we won't have enough capacity to keep up with demand, the demand eventually always falls through.
His testing really isn't worth much anyways, I mean it's nice seeing a frequency graph and all, but most of the time it's flat basically. If it zips up and down 100-200 MHz does it really matter, is it worth watching his content for it? I don't think it really adds that much value in terms of testing anymore seeing as most CPUs are pushed out of the box to sit flat with boost clocks. Plus a lot of other channels do 1% and 0.1% low testing now. His formerly "technical testing" is kind of overrated now, other channels have caught up a lot.
This is where he still shines a bit is case reviews, but again others are catching up like GearSeekers has.
Gippy_@reddit
A few years ago the ATL for a 4TB SSD was around $220 USD. And that was the SN850X, a model with DRAM.
In 2017, the 1080 Ti was $700 and the 1060 3GB was $200. (Back then, most games didn't need lots of VRAM for 1080p, so the 1060 3GB was a better buy over the 1060 6GB for $300.)
Today, $1000 video cards for not even the flagship model are here to stay, though the 5080 has been marked up to $1200+. The era of a good $200 or even a $300 video card is dead. The 5070 is $600 and that is now considered midrange.
KARMAAACS@reddit
Do you know why that was? It's because there was a glut of NAND Flash following COVID. They ramped up supply years prior hoping to cash in on the extreme demand the pandemic brought, but it all fell through and they had too much NAND to sell. Prices came down in a huge way as a result. It's simply a cycle as I iterated in my prior post. That was just the good part of the cycle back then. For months prior to the example you gave, the SN850X was unable to be found under $399 for a 4TB model due to COVID PC demand and PS5 upgraders.
I don't see how this disproves me wrong? You think just because this is the currently the bad end of the cycle and there's been inflation that this is some sort of dunk on me?
Firstly, 1080 Ti was not $700, the Founder's Edition was, but it was in far lower supply and was the worst cooled version of the 1080 Ti like all the other blower cooler models, much like how the 5090 FE is the worst model of the 5090. If you were buying an enthusiast card like the 1080 Ti, you were not leaving performance on the table by buying the worst model card, you'd buy a decent tier AIB card instead. Most AIB 1080 Ti's went for more than that on Newegg and such.
Also VRAM was still a problem back then. Go watch this HWUnboxed (who I'm sure you like based off how you're commenting now) video from back then, they complained about VRAM back then too. It was absolutely better to buy the 1060 6GB or more importantly the better value RX 480 8GB/580 8GB which had even more VRAM. Either way the 1060 6GB also was not $300, there was no FE for that card other than to reviewers, but there wasn't one on sale to the public, the 1060 6GB also went for around $399 at retailers. You simply have rose colored glasses and think pricing never fluctuated or had cycles back then. It did then too and today 5060's in the peak are cheaper even after inflation, than the 1060 6GB was during its peak problematic cycle.
What? The 5060 and 9060 XT is more than adequate and even good for gaming and it's around the same price as the 1060 6GB was going for back then at $399 (today a 9060 XT is $345 and 5060 is $349) and we've had inflation. It averages above 60 FPS at 1440p in games today... On top of that, you simply don't need ultra quality textures unless you're playing at 4K. High quality textures is basically the same as Ultra quality textures anyways, most times the setting does nothing in games but overcharge your VRAM buffer for nothing and at 1440p and 1080p the difference is negigible by moving up texture quality. You've always had to compromise on settings at this price bracket... Turning up settings or resolution is a luxury at this price. I think you simply believe every gamer should be able to play demanding singleplayer games at 360 Hz at 1080p at $299. That's never been the case, even back in 2016/2017, watch this review and most games hovered around 60 FPS, even an eSports title like Overwatch was a 120Hz game at highest quality settings 1080p at this price bracket. The 5060 is a decent card when you look at the facts and not some cherrypicked examples from a YouTube channel about how 8GB of VRAM is "bad", in fact it's better than the 1060 was in eSports titles relative to it's time, you can probably play 240Hz Overwatch 2 at 1080p with a 5060 and it still crushes games at 1440p.
As for $1000 5080's, that's about right in today's market with inflation. In 2016 the 1080 was launched at $699 for the FE model and AIB cards at $599, using an inflation calculator from the Bureau of Labor Statistics that's $950.85 and $814.82 respectively. Considering NVIDIA held back 1080 dies for months or couldn't keep up with demand (same problem as today), your only realistic option of getting a 1080 at $599 was to use a bot (I know because I bought my EVGA 1080 FTW in October 2016), the FE model was primarily your only way to get one and at $699 back then you're very close to $1000, the cards have become marginally less affordable when accounting for inflation, by about wait for it... 5% MSRP vs MSRP. This isn't the doom and gloom scenario as you make out it is. $950 MSRP (inflation calculated) vs $1000 MSRP. Oh no that's it, PC Gaming has become unaffordable! /s
Like I said earlier, these things happen in cycles and waves, it goes from 'Doom and Gloom unaffordable days' due to Crypto or AI and then the demand falls through and we have then a glut of supply and you can buy stuff again cheaply. It all depends where you buy in the cycle, it has always seemed unaffordable relative to income when you buy at the peak of the 'doom and gloom' part of the cycle. But affordability is still there if you're realistic with your expectations.
Again, we're in the bad part of the cycle where it's peaked and prices have risen off supply. You could easily buy a 5060 for months at $299, if not $319 at worst. Just because today they are $349 doesn't mean the $299 bracket doesn't exist anymore... It did, but now we're in the bad part of the cycle.
Why lie about easily disprovable stuff? The 5060 is NVIDIA's $299 option. Again, just because we're in the bad part of the cycle, doesn't mean that the 5050 is the $299 option... As I said earlier, you could buy the 5060 for months at $299, there was plenty of opportunity to upgrade. Considering the 5060 is 10% faster than a 3060 Ti and the 3060 Ti was over twice as fast as a 1660 Ti, I'd say NVIDIA has beaten your BS claim of them not doubling performance in the bracket since then. They absolutely have, in fact they exceeded it by about 15-20% or so.
Gippy_@reddit
So it was $700. Yes, premium AIBs were $100-200 more. Always been the case. I paid $1150 for my 4080 Super Aorus for the superior HSF. When people talk about pricing they talk about the base model price. I've observed enough launch cycles to know that the only time you should buy a GPU is on launch day because then the prices only go up from there. (The 4080 Super Aorus was unavailable after a week and any restocks were higher than $1150.)
I did? Showed that the 1060 3GB was about 10% slower because it had 10% less CUDA cores. 3GB at the time was absolutely fine for 1080p gaming.
Uhh no? $300 is 1080p120 territory.
I could go into a long discussion about why inflation calculators are inaccurate relative to actual buying power but spending more than 2 minutes on this reply is pointless. We'll agree to disagree.
Clever trick. You used archived Newegg links to argue that the 1080/1660 Ti were $60 more and then used a TPU review to argue MSRP. The 5060 is currently $350-360 and while it is 2X faster than the 1660 Ti, the 5050 isn't.
Anyway thread is several days old so thanks for your reply, bye.
V13T@reddit
His original MSI killshot video got viral and he’s searching for that high again ever after
gjallerhorns_only@reddit
I know Level1Techs but what's STH?
BIT-NETRaptor@reddit
Serve the home. you have not lived until you experience the joy that is Patrick giving 1000% percent into each "THIS is Patrick from STH" intro. Love that guy.
TechTechPotato, More than moore, chips and cheese.. there's great analysts out there, often which can talk about tech without being so cynical all the time.
I regularly read STH articles, great for keeping up with industry trends as well as homelab/small office networking gear.
gjallerhorns_only@reddit
Started watching Tech TechPotato before the fall of AnandTech. Thanks for the other suggestions because I've been craving the indepth nerd shit and only find that in Geekerwan and HighYield whatever his name is.
TurnOffAutoCorrect@reddit
They might be referring to Serve The Home...
https://www.servethehome.com/sth-youtube-marks-200k-subscriber-milestone/
nastyaxoxo@reddit
I was really hoping for more testing after their outrageously expensive investments in testing equipment (hello, 250K Anechoic Testing Chamber) and their testing methodology tutelage to JaysTwoCents (which was seriously impressive and in-depth).
Unfortunately, their channel has been increasingly distributing available resources to the outrage journalism. Some of the pieces like manufacturing insights (such as with Thermal Grizzly) have been interesting, but I've grown tired of spending my free time in the doom and gloom side of their channel.
BioshockEnthusiast@reddit
Is it really journalism if you regularly flaunt core pillars of journalism?
imKaku@reddit
That's honestly wild, no one with a right mind would believe someone to reduce capacity at this point. I don't need someone to tell me that products goes to the highest bidder (which is 50% of what his content is about) but flat out claiming that production is getting lowered now where demand far outreach supply is just flat out insane.
I watch some of GNs content, but it's getting harder and harder. RageTubing is not something i need. I want information, not overdone reactions. For instance Wendel does this really well (he uses his podcasts for his reactions).
railven@reddit
Yet some how Youtubers convinced Redditors that Nvidia was abandoning gaming - a multi BILLION dollar revenue stream.
Meanwhile the competition puts out 1/10 of the volume but it's Nvidia that's abandoning gaming.
GN has turned into super trash and it's damn sad to see.
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
The frustrating this is that one could reasonably be upset with nVidia for prioritizing enterprise/AI over gaming (and think there should be consumer action, regulation, etc. to counteract it), but to say they've abandoned gaming is just misleading hyperbole.
hampa9@reddit
Uh, no, I don't think it would be reasonable for the government to step in to force a company not to make products that the market find more economically valuable, just to please GamersNexus viewers that want more raytracing on their Cyberpunk.
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
It's fine for you to have that opinion, but my point is that someone can reasonably have the opinion that governments should prioritize consumers (from gamers to small businesses, etc.) over massive AI datacenters and reasonably advocate that.
And that is a reasonable stance to take, even if some disagree with it, whereas saying price fixing is going on, or that nVidia has given up on gaming as an industry, are both misleading hyperbole if we're being generous, and outright false if we're being purely objective.
hampa9@reddit
Three paragraphs to not say anything
Sorry I think calling for controls is dumb.
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
Someone can reasonably have a different opinion than you. An opinion is reasonable if it is based in reason and upon reality. You might disagree with their conclusions, and that's fine. I'm not myself making a judgement of such controls.
The point I'm making, is that such as position is based in reason and actually understanding the situation and then deciding the consequences of price or supply controls are worth it and necessary. Even if you disagree with the final conclusion (which is entirely fair), the premise of the thought (that the industry is not doing price fixing, they are prioritizing AI and enterprise over consumers, but that they have not entirely giving up on consumers and "gaming" as an industry) is based in reality, reason, and factual understanding of what the industry does and does not do.
Whereas accusations of price fixing and companies just "giving up" on the gaming industry is not based on reason and facts, and is instead based on hyperbole and false conclusions.
hampa9@reddit
Buddy, I’m really not fussed, you’re welcome to talk to someone else.
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
I agree that that is an opinion someone can have, but it is not one they can have reasonably. Price controls on consumer electronics are populist/socialist lunacy.
A healthy overton window requires maintenance.
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
Someone can reasonably have that opinion, as in it is an opinion that is based in reason and factual understanding of the situation.
Price or supply controls have consequences, you (or I) can think those consequences aren't worth it and that position is dumb. I'm not making a judgment of it.
However the point I'm making, is that such as position is based in reason and actually understanding the situation and how it could be changed. Whereas accusations of price fixing and companies just "giving up" on the gaming industry is not based on reason and facts, and is instead based on hyperbole and false conclusions.
IronLordSamus@reddit
Maybe because nvidia keeps buying up al the supplies and yes they have abandoned gaming they are moving towards AI.
phpnoworkwell@reddit
They put out gaming cards. They have their own streaming service that runs on their cards. They revealed a new iteration of DLSS a few weeks ago. Intel abandoned gaming more than Nvidia did. AMD abandoned gaming more than Nvidia did.
SilverbackGorillaBoy@reddit
I cant believe you guys legit think the billion dollar companies care about you and your purchase of a single SSD.
Legit believe Samsung and Hynix are out here in the trenches figuring out ways to help consumers out. Yall are braindead that believe that.
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
They care exactly in proportion to how much I am willing to pay, and that is great.
gruez@reddit
They aren't, but that doesn't mean the converse is true. The problem with framing every argument in terms of whether it's pro-corporations or pro-consumers is that you occasionally get bad takes where the pro-corporation side is actually correct, like in this case with GN.
gruez@reddit
You say that but every time there's some disaster affecting memory/hard drive production, the comments are almost always filled with people speculating it's some sort of inside job/conspiracy to lower production so they can make more money.
emn13@reddit
With only a few major players in these markets that also all happen to have a history of anticompetitive behaviour, it's probably a safe bet that at the very least they're aware of the shortages any choices they make cause and how that might increase their margins. In general, if you look at their financials, despite producing pretty fungible commodities, it's notable that their operating margins are better than those of e.g. things like car manufacturers. That might be reasonable since there's a little more development in memory and storage, but it might also be intentionally caused scarcity. Even the period of dramatic post-covid overproduction was pretty short if you look at e.g. microns finances.
Frankly: I think it's warranted to speculate about malfeasance every single time. Doesn't mean it's always a cartel - but it's clearly a market where being anti-competitive pays well, and it's generally wise to assume people follow the money. Maybe antitrust enforcement is now vigilant enough, but I kind of doubt it; especially not under this administration, but even more generally - markets with so few players often become rent-seeking, and I'm not so sure legal measures will fully fix that - not being quite as blatant about it as last time round isn't the same thing as following the letter let alone spirit of the law.
LockingSlide@reddit
Thing is, it's true that these companies produced fewer wafers, there are however obvious explanation as to why that happened (early 2025 projections assumed demand would actually be lower than expected, DRAM was a priority, down time spent retooling existing production lines).
Ignoring all that, as well as reports of capital spending and planned expansions, all to craft a narrative, is not something a serious outlet would or should do. Like you said, I want information, I don't want it withheld from me in order to extract more outrage.
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
Honestly if Samsung, TSMC, Intel, etc. said tomorrow "We don't care about profits, we are going to cut chip production for fun.", multiple national governments would force them to reverse course. You think the US government would accept a reduction in chip production during this AI race?
SmileyBMM@reddit
Yeah, I used to be a massive fan of GN, but all this doomerism because of AI is just annoying. Wish he would stick with case reviews, but those don't get the clicks...
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
To be very fair, it's hard to do scientific reviews of parts. It takes a lot of time, often takes expensive equipment for testing, and it doesn't get many views compared to other forms of content.
pdp10@reddit
For instance, LTT's power supply reviews. They have dedicated benchmarking staff and a six-figure specialized PSU testing behemoth, but the reviews don't come close to paying for themselves and thus the video versions of them don't get voiced by a human.
ivandagiant@reddit
True, sad reality of things. Look at Rtings, they needed to paywall their content because it just doesn't pay the bills anymore. It is getting harder and harder to do these sorts of reviews
Oklawolf@reddit
This. I used to review power supplies for jonnyGURU.com, and after years of seeing people say they wished we were still doing them, I decided to try doing a few on my YouTube channel to see how it went.
Anyway, I bought six power supplies for a trial run and the way it's looking I won't be buying any more. I'm not enjoying it enough anymore to lose money.
_dogzilla@reddit
For me, somewhere they changed from being uncompromisingly unbiased to being… just looking at everything from the most negative angle possible. I dont know maybe its me. Its just not pleasant to watch anymore. I want to be excited for the good things as well
evangelism2@reddit
may have started earlier, but I noticed it about a year ago. I think Steve liked the increased views and traction from constantly shitting on nvidia during the 50 series launch and lost himself in it.
Exist50@reddit
I also think the LTT drama was a key turning point.
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
I think another thing I dislike is that there's lots of room to criticize the current state of the industry/how society sets up the industry without making it into a conspiracy of companies conspiring to keep prices high (which has happened sometimes, but is not the norm).
Like yes, companies are prioritizing AI and enterprise. Yes they are raising prices because supply can't keep up with demand. That's not a conspiracy and we don't need to make it one to criticize it or say that it should not be that way.
urza_insane@reddit
It's definitely depressing - and another example of a channel following the algorithm and what's getting eyeballs instead of holding to their principles.
Tarec88@reddit
I must importantly want to be informed, not told how to feel about it. The world has gone crazy with the way algorithms shape our reality now.
Sharp_eee@reddit
Yep. Then they get on their high horse in regards to the lie and rage/click bait. The funny thing is they are literally doing exactly what they are claiming these companies are doing. They are lying, withholding information, manipulating data/statistics to tell a certain narrative for more views/money. I can’t really watch them anymore.
sylfy@reddit
Honestly it’s funny to see how their fans are still defending them, even as GN has itself turned into LTT.
Kayra2@reddit
The LTT situation was actually when I realized they were doing this. Linus texted their old phone number accidentally, and they tried to frame it as Linus knowingly texting a wrong number to appear genuine online. This kind of basically hearsay/speculation is not what a journalist does.
Exist50@reddit
Yeah, and as the stories came out, it was clear GN "conveniently" left out some very key details from their narrative. It's pretty obvious, especially in retrospect, what they were doing.
hampa9@reddit
We saw this in spades with their treatment of LinusTechTips.
WildVelociraptor@reddit
Yes I'm sure the manufacturers had no idea that retooling would lead to decreased capacity, and therefore increased prices. They're just tiny startups after all.
Atario@reddit
Excuses and promises from the parties who would benefit from taking the heat off? Gosh, I'm convinced!
Nevr0s@reddit
The title of the referenced Chosun.biz article is “Samsung, SK hynix cut NAND output to drive profits amid AI-fueled demand”, not “transition to QLC causes supply shortage amidst growing demand.” You’re taking an asterisk from the article and blowing it up to be the entire point.
The cited article actually lays out the entire nuance in three paragraphs:
Business decisions are obviously multi-factor. But even the Chosun.biz writers who include all this nuance still conclude that supply was reduced primarily to drive profits.
SJGucky@reddit
Its not like those companies have even been fined for price fixing... oh they have been...
LockingSlide@reddit
If I'm reporting on a murder suspect who's killed before, is it okay if I intentionally leave parts of the police report/media briefing that might cast doubt on his guilt? I mean the guy's done it before and is a suspect now, lock him up, the public doesn't need all the information.
Sorry for jumping to an extreme example like that, but you don't seem to understand what the issue is.
vhailorx@reddit
GN'S suspicion of the nand industry is entirely justified and based on the fact that the industry has a long, well-documented history of collusion and price fixing (with prosecutions and convictions).
LockingSlide@reddit
They're deliberately omitting information that's being reported by multiple sources, all presumably in order of supporting their narrative which would be undermined by including it.
I cannot see how it would be justifiable, purely because these companies have a history of similar behavior. If it's happening again, prove it instead of twisting fact to lie about it.
raulgzz@reddit
No real information is being reported, just corporate statements taken at face value. Just like car chip shortage in an era of low as fuck car sales impacted by a pandemic virus. This time the pendulum is on the other side. They were cutthroating each other on price and realized "independently" that they had to cut production and jack up their prices because they wer being left out of the AI party cake.
vhailorx@reddit
So I guess you didnt watch the previous videos about why they think the industry is colluding again. . .
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
The last major RAM price fixing event was 2002.
These companies aren't saints. I don't think anyone believes they are, but it's also a bit absurd to point to an event 20+ years ago as evidence for something today.
vhailorx@reddit
No, the last major price fixing conviction was 2002. Do you when the US DoJ basically stopped enforcing antitrust law? It was 2002 (with a brief attempt at doing so again from 2021-2024 that is now being unwound).
So you tell me, did the proven price fixers stop price fixing, or did the government just stop regulating?
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
Other countries can investigate and prosecute price fixing too. There were allegations in 2017 that were thrown out.
If you're going to claim that every major nation just topped regulating price fixing, then you need some real, substantial evidence that it's still happening.
And prices being high when demand is far outstripping supply isn't evidence of price fixing.
vhailorx@reddit
Only a handful of nations are actually big and powerful enough to regulate the tech industries. And, yeah, every major industrialized economy that could enforce antitrust law has more or less given up on doing so for ~20 years. Perhaps you've noticed the world turning into a late-stage-capitalist hellscape during that time?
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
So the EU doesn't count? https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/eu-court-cuts-intels-eu-antitrust-fine-2025-12-10/
Or even the US? https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets
There is still a lot of anti-trust and other major fines and prosecution against tech companies, both software and hardware. In large part, because developed countries realize that RAM manufacturers colluding to increase prices is bad for the national economy, and would be especially bad for AI by making it even more expensive.
But ya know, let's go ahead and assume you're right, and that every developed nation is actually just ignoring blatant price fixing. Can you point me to the evidence of that clear price fixing?
vhailorx@reddit
Read those articles. The first one shows intel getting their fine more then cut in half. When you can make billions of dollars from monopolistic practices, and then pay ~$150 million in fines, you aren't actually being stopped by regulation. This is the pattern of non-enforcement in the US (and increasingly in the EU). Regulators stop bringing many cases, and when they do, they assess miniscule penalties (relative to the scale of the businesses they are regulating). And then the whole thing is covered as "company pays biggest fine ever assessed" even though the fine is 0.00000003% of the company's annual profits.
TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit
You’re moving the goalposts. First they don’t ever enforce antitrust, now they do but the fines are too low. We can also look at much higher fines like Google being fined $3.5 billion just last year. Is that an insubstantial fine?
I ask the question again, what evidence is there that the current prices are due to illegal collusion?
vhailorx@reddit
No, i am offering more details about the mechanisms through which enforcement has lapsed: the total number of enforcement actions are way down, and the penalties assessed have not kept pace with the size of the companies being regulated.
And yes, Google absolutely skated in their cases last year. Judge Mehta shit the bed. $3.5 billion is pocket change for Google. Their revenue is something like $100 billion per quarter, so that fine is less than 5% of their quarterly income. It's significantly less than Google pays apple each year just to be the default iOS search engine (an arrangement they were not forced to end). Their "punishment" is that they can keep their monopoly, but at a slightly lower profit margin.
As for proof if collusion with nand: when proving price fixers start behaving in exactly the same ways they behaved the last several times they were price fixing, AND prices start to go up again, it's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical. When companies are all announcing in their earnings call that demand is skyrocketing and they expect prices to more than double, but no one is actually trying to compete or presenting any plans to improve their market share by lowering prices, then it looks like collusion.
-WingsForLife-@reddit
"This industry lies and colludes to justify fucking you over with prices."
"News journalist decides to omit details and basically lies to justify creating hour long rants."
Tarec88@reddit
This is how echo chambers always rationalize their sources being manipulative.
Cubanitto@reddit
Yeah that's something that those that are opposed to what gn's doing convenient fail to mention as well it goes both ways people.
wickedplayer494@reddit (OP)
Mixed in with a few settlements too and the average consumer is lucky to get maybe $5 back at the end of it, which due to inflation will really be more like $3.
00Koch00@reddit
Nah they would never do that, they definitively didnt fuck over ltt for nothing at all and ending up having to fire like half their writers because of this
KodaKR-64@reddit
Grown adults actually care about some petty YouTube drama between some random nerds feuding with each other? Incredible.
BighatNucase@reddit
"Petty youtube drama" is a fucked up way to describe what happened. Stop trying to downplay stuff with euphemistic language.
KodaKR-64@reddit
I don't know or care what happened, since this is childish middle school drama.
Literally who cares?
They're both whiny man-children. I hate both of them lol
BighatNucase@reddit
You're so cool for saying you don't care.
KodaKR-64@reddit
You don't have anything better to do but care about some petty drama between two nerds on YouTube? lol
BighatNucase@reddit
You don't have anything better to do than to tell people on the internet that you don't care about 'petty drama' which you claim not to care about?
KodaKR-64@reddit
I saw the post when scrolling, and was surprised anyone cared about two whiny nerds bickering with each other.
Linus needs to retire and enjoy time with his family. I can't stand his whiny, nasally voice. It's like nails on a chalkboard.
BighatNucase@reddit
So I guess you don't have anything better to do, that's a bit sad.
KodaKR-64@reddit
I'm not the one defending these two idiots lol
BighatNucase@reddit
No but you are the one who has spent - what - 2 minutes (or more!) now talking about them when you TOTALLY don't care. That means that you are actively participating in a discussion about something you have no interest in because you have nothing better to do. That's just pathetic man, get a hobby.
KodaKR-64@reddit
Someone's projecting.
BighatNucase@reddit
Why would i be projecting? I am interested in this topic so my commenting on it makes sense; I'm doing something I'm interested in. We can't be the same, necessarily. I don't think any time can truly be wasted if spent doing something that interests you; on the contrary doing something you're not interested in for no real gain is necessarily time wasted.
Exist50@reddit
GN had to fire half its writers? Missed this.
evangelism2@reddit
LTT took a pretty big hit financially and views/subs wise and only recently has started to recover from it
Exist50@reddit
Ah, yeah. Then I agree with the sentiment, at least. That whole thing was just realpolitik at best.
evangelism2@reddit
still seething about that, huh?
Ellimis@reddit
The vast, overwhelming majority of their content should have been articles in the first place, but articles don't pay the bills like YouTube videos. So they stopped simultaneously posting the articles as well, and now they get time delayed AND aren't even linked in the video descriptions anymore.
Now they found something that pays the bills even better: public outrage. I'm zero percent surprised.
If the goal had been journalistic integrity from the start, they'd at least still link to their own articles in the video descriptions so I can look at a CHART
SireEvalish@reddit
They're clearly not.
labe225@reddit
Yeah, if I'm really interested in a product, I'll watch his review if he has it (though his reviews are always way too long and mostly just him reading off PowerPoint slides for 20-30 minutes.)
But I've had to stop watching anything else.
DracoMagnusRufus@reddit
This is basically every single content creator who makes their 'niche' being a 'consumer advocate.' They inevitably just become haters who construe everything in the worst possible light, or even deliberately misconstrue things, so that they can position themselves as the champion who is bravely exposing the corporate wrongdoing and fighting on the viewer's behalf a David vs Goliath battle against it.
kingwhocares@reddit
From your own article:
I bet 2023 to 2024 also saw a larger production reduction. Anyway, QLC was supposed to be cheaper but that's not the case. SSD prices sky-rocketed and you are backing GN here as this suggest they do have the capacity, they just simply not using them.
LockingSlide@reddit
The part you quoted was already included in the video
At the beginning of 2025, most projections had NAND demand growing less than expected and NAND production to be cut by 10-20%. Despite down time to retool facilities to denser QLC, as well as shifting mixed NAND/DRAM plants to produce more DRAM, the decline in overall wafers was much smaller and overall bit production should've gone up.
Furthermore, as the ZDNet article says, Samsung and Sk Hynix are planning to keep increasing production. Another article focusing on just their investments in China
https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-trends/article/3348159/south-korean-chip-giants-step-china-investments-combat-global-ai-memory-shortage
The caveat is, obviously, that switching to manufacturing different NAND type on a different process takes time and requires down time, which will result in temporary decrease in production.
That is, however, not the same thing as deliberate collusion and market manipulation to keep prices high.
qtx@reddit
He found a grift; Gamers.
He knows that Gamers are some of the most unstable people out there and they go nuts over any type of rage so he gives them what they want.
KanedaSyndrome@reddit
yep because these channels determine which of their videos do well and if those are doom and gloom videos then they produce that, because in the end, for most people, money governs their actions.
HotRoderX@reddit
honestly I can't even be mad at GN for what there doing. There doing what literately every company does.
Journalism and unbiased news is gone. That died a long time ago. Now they just cater to there target audience.
Like said I can't even get angry at it. News has evolved into reality tv. Anyone that says it hasn't might not be wrong but might not be right either. Depending on what you want to here. There is a unbiased new station willing to tell you it.
namur17056@reddit
So whilst not lying per se, he is being very frugal with the truth
jigsaw1024@reddit
That's called a lie of omission
namur17056@reddit
Learnt something new today. Thank you for that!
edsonf1@reddit
Come on man…
AtomicCypher@reddit
..but...but...conspiracy!
GamersSexus@reddit
The LTT crowd is here to hate on him that's all, they found a slight pushback from others and immediately they started amplifying that.
ChickenNoodleSloop@reddit
I've followed Steve longer than LMG and still look to him and HUB for actual hardware releases, but sometimes I miss his older pieces/style that were just facts and not a random minute here and there overly rambling about some minor thing, or repeated harping about the same noise in every video. We all know what's going on (especially his core audience), I just don't need to hear several extra minutes about this or that negativity in every video.
BioshockEnthusiast@reddit
On that note I'm very much looking forward to the April full of all good news wan show.
Sharp_eee@reddit
The dude literally can’t review a piece of hardware without some sort of rage bait.
Reggitor360@reddit
This sub is flooded by Bots, just check their comment history (if it is still enabled.)
Paid astroturfering.
crab_quiche@reddit
Not everyone that disagrees with you is a bot, it makes you look insane when you say that
Nutchos@reddit
This is all a part of the normal reddit discourse now: OP > I disagree with OP > I can't believe there are people who disagree with OP > It's because this site is flooded with bots
RikuXan@reddit
To me, these constant lamentations about "the death of discourse" on Reddit feel more like actual derailment of constructive discussions than what they posit is happening.
I don't know if people are maybe over-extrapolating from the state where comment threads are fresher, more uniform and the early opinions hold more voting power, but usually when I open up a comment section that is a few hours old, I feel like there's a reasonable breadth of opinion.
BioshockEnthusiast@reddit
You only know that if you bother reading.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
This sub is starting to resemble r/aliens, where every idiot calling a birthday balloon a UFO accuses everyone saying it's a balloon of being an astroturfing fed.
Bergh3m@reddit
People sadly dont care enough and will just submit to whatever the big $ companies tell them
WWWeirdGuy@reddit
LOL! He is certainly loud and popular in the gaming sphere, and that is probably why you say that, but he is no way unique. He benefits and plays on the incessant commercialization of DYI PC and is in that way part of the problem. He plays into the oldest trick in the book by these companies, in which companies bloat their perceived value add and normalizing their solutions as a a running service. Things being called out 20 years ago. The truth of the matter is that the average gamer is still very young and are captured in a bubble they can't even see, and Steve is is the absolute crystallization of this. The problem with these channels is that they believe they can't go back to basics and go in a new direction, probably because they themselves are driven by the supposed greed they so complain about.
SomeMobile@reddit
It's about how he does it, not what he does
Neosantana@reddit
Tone policing? Seriously? He's not your boyfriend
SomeMobile@reddit
If it's content he wants me watch then yes? Why would I watch someone who I find the way he presents himself and his content in a way i find extremely annoying and appealing.
Background_Listen486@reddit
I'm indifferent to all of that
f1rstx@reddit
Agree with all of that
doodwhersmycar@reddit
Disagree with all of that
Best-Hedgehog-403@reddit
Shareholders. Reddit is infested with them.
Ok_Assignment_2127@reddit
The only “shareholders” you can consistently find are the AMD_Stock folks brigading. Not very related to this.
crab_quiche@reddit
I can almost guarantee you no one is trying to manipulate the market by telling randos on a niche hardware sub that GN is full of it. If this was WSB than maybe you’d have some legs to stand on.
willis936@reddit
Reddit users learning what reddit is.
This is not a place for discourse.
doodwhersmycar@reddit
Wasn't always this way
willis936@reddit
No but since covid there hasn't been any place on reddit from deviation from the vote hivemind. The solution is real simple: get rid of voting. Better yet: get rid of financial incentives corrupting discourse and go return to forums.
uwuwotsdps42069@reddit
>since covid
I think you mean since around 2015.
cadaada@reddit
2016 elections unironically broke this site in unrecoverable ways
Mrgluer@reddit
but how else can people attempt to censor other people’s talking points and gauge opinions to farm internet points?
DaBombDiggidy@reddit
You can be pro consumer and honest with your reporting. It’s just not as clickbaitey
Whatcanyado420@reddit
He just cries about market dynamics.
doodwhersmycar@reddit
Oh is that what is considered? I would call it manipulation. But i don't have a platform. Luckily they do. And they would call it the same
Whatcanyado420@reddit
Manipulation of what? Do you think these AI companies don’t actually want GPUs or RAM sticks?
It’s not SanDisk’s job or obligation to sell you cheap PC hardware.
cbrec@reddit
Market manipulation genius
doodwhersmycar@reddit
Not worth engaging in discourse if you didn't watch the video
wickedplayer494@reddit (OP)
And proof of racketeering and sandbagging with the cuts to wafer production, yet people will continue to defend the billion dollar DRAM/NAND conglomerates.
DabuXian@reddit
it’s impressive how GN became even more cringe and clickbaity than LTT
pfak@reddit
Hes so painful to watch now. I used to be a patreon. Only so much rage I can consume.
Euler007@reddit
Not as bad as Jayz on the rage front imho.
NapsterKnowHow@reddit
JayZ has rage? Since when?
Hothacon@reddit
Every other video
NapsterKnowHow@reddit
He seems calm in all his videos except the one about PC prices and the future of the channel
schu2470@reddit
Oof! Yeah, I used to watch a lot of his videos and even bought GN's deskmat and DnD dice set. Now I've been unsubscribed for a while because of all the rage bait and constant "the sky is falling!!1!1" from them. I appreciate a the work he's done in bringing light to brands not respecting their warranties, buying certain motherboard and GPUs from viewers at full price when their warranty claims have been denied for specific reasons, and the older pre-built reviews he did but these days I can't be bothered to sit through a 15 minute video much less a 40+ minute video ranting about something.
blueredscreen@reddit
He has never changed. Exceptionally boring 40+ minute rants.
lmpcpedz@reddit
it's called journalism, not for the faint of heart.
blueredscreen@reddit
Yeah, I was reading his journalism in the newspaper recently... Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have any!
lmpcpedz@reddit
lol
crab_quiche@reddit
You do realize this is the guy that said he wasn’t a journalist after he got called out for bad journalism practices?
lmpcpedz@reddit
oh word? i didn't know that. dang
cbrec@reddit
Any suggestions on who we can watch? Or just scrutiny?
crab_quiche@reddit
If you want actual reporting on new interesting things Tech Tech Potato or whatever Ian Cutress’ channel is called is pretty good, most market dynamic stuff like what GN does now is completely boring unless it’s ragebait. Semiengineering and chipsandcheese are pretty good websites if you want some deeper understandings of things, semiengineering is basically just industry pros selling their new things but it’s still very interesting, chipsandcheese is mainly just some smart guys testing processors and trying to reverse engineer some architecture decisions
Boxkid351@reddit
It's called whiny little boy needs rage bait money. Rich people causing too much inflation.
KARMAAACS@reddit
People still believe this is about journalism? LOL!
JapariParkRanger@reddit
You haven't been watching him long or attentively.
jenny_905@reddit
I remember learning to despise the guy when I watched him destroy a 2080Ti.
Sharp_eee@reddit
Unfortunately that’s what seems to sell now. He is def one of the worst though. Nothing unites an audience like a common enemy. The guy can’t even do one small video on some hardware without providing his rage baiting pretentious views.
cbrec@reddit
Nah he’s still cool af but keep protecting those trillionaire corps
MassiveBoner911_3@reddit
I stopped watching his channel a long time ago. I can barely even watch JayzTwoCents
blackbalt89@reddit
With tech in a stagnant death spiral because of AI if techtubers don't put out videos like this every day they get shafted by the algorithm, same reason I had to unsubscribe to JayzTwoCents, just can't listen to 'the sky is falling!!!' all day, every day
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
Honestly, that very sentiment exists entirely from those rage bait YT channels we are discussing
Coronalol@reddit
Not defending the repetitive content, but if your entire channel revolves around consumer PC hardware, and consumer PC hardware is pricing out the vast majority of consumers, would the sky not be falling for you? People are not going to enjoy watching build videos of you putting together some mid range build that used to be $1200 that is now $2500+
They either feed the YT algorithm what is going to keep the lights on and pay their staff & provide for their families, or watch everything collapse since we don’t really have any idea when or even if the AI bubble is going to collapse.
Logical_Lemming@reddit
Good tech journalism died with Anandtech and TheTechReport. Just not profitable enough (or at all) anymore.
Dazzling_Patient7209@reddit
At least LTT knows their main goal is entertainment.
MonoShadow@reddit
His recent Crimson Desert bench kinda showed the glimpse of the usual GN. Simulation\animation error tests are neat. And while it's still "40 minutes of reading graphs" as one commenter pointed, it's still a valuable content. Even if it has some DLSS jokes.
They created a different channel for GN consumer advocacy. At this point I kinda want content like this to get its own channel. "GN's World of Tech" or something. Put all the investigations and editorials on the current state of the tech landscape there.
hodor137@reddit
As someone who mostly likes and agrees with the content, one thing that bothers me is how the vast majority of this stuff isn't going on GNCA. That just obviously says "we won't get the clicks we want". Why create that channel then? A head fake to separating this stuff?
The only other thing that bothers me is I've detected a slight hint of self aggrandizing when he says things like "our investigative reporting". It was used recently to refer to something they did that wasn't anything special and bothered me. I don't think they need to change any content - but be self deprecating about it. You're still just a PC gaming YouTube channel. Tech journalism is mostly garbage, the standard isn't high, but look at for example Last Week Tonight with John Oliver - they're not declaring their stories "our big investigations". They also don't have to ask for donations/merch sales to support them. So there is a bit of a hype/marketing circle jerk that's going into this.
mornando@reddit
Do they? They made LTT labs. Which i assume is for more benchmarking credibility.
AdventurousTime@reddit
I hate seeing him on my feed fr 😞
jarchack@reddit
Ever since I got involved with PCs in the late 80s and early 90s the prices of components invariably dropped over time. Boy, has that really been flipped around.
HarrisonGreen@reddit
Unpopular opinion - RAMageddon is actually a good thing. Longer upgrade cycles, less e-waste polluting the environment and more people buying used.
The vast majority of people who need a computer don't really need the latest and greatest anyway, when DDR4 (or even DDR3) hardware works perfectly fine.
V13T@reddit
The thing is that the memory is still being produced, probably more than ever. And when datacenters will need to upgrade in a couple of years, we will have so much e-waste anyway
WildVelociraptor@reddit
oh god I hope that stuff gets resold
BioshockEnthusiast@reddit
Lots of the data enter stuff will be under contract to be destroyed. Lots of small businesses will be holding on to any new hardware like their life depends on it because it kinda might.
GabrielP2r@reddit
You should use your brain instead of writing this bullshit.
Cpt_Crank@reddit
You realize everything went up? A normal company which produces devices needing Ram or Flash gets screwed. We pay 10x for flash compared to the last 10 years.
BagRight1007@reddit
That's not how it works tho?
KanedaSyndrome@reddit
yeh before computers were per human, now they are per AI agent which we can spin up as many we want of. No longer do we have to wait for human births
Kosmi_pro@reddit
I am so glad that i am broke right now...
Bergh3m@reddit
So much cattle in this thread refusing to acknowledge how they are getting screwed by multi-billion dollar companies and decide instead to criticise GN for not doing case review #63 when people cant afford ram anymore
RxBrad@reddit
In this age of OpenClaw, I am truly starting to question point 1 in the automod post.
The highly upvoted essay comments in favor of AI gobbling up hardware just seem a little too suspect...
SovjSojus@reddit
Nvidia: There is no bots in Reddit, same as there aint a war in Iran.
Its all in your mind.
Ah, dont mind our history that we've been caught multiple times in astroturfing forums, thats just a bad rumor ya know? XD
pacoLL3@reddit
Please stop supporting clickbait stubidity
zippopwnage@reddit
I'm just lucky enough that I build 2 pc's last year for me and my SO. Is not super high-end but good enough.
if these 2 pc's broke down, is time to find a new hobby I guess.
UrdnotShadow@reddit
PC is not the only way to play video games you know. Buying a used current gen console can be had for less than a mid range GPU. There are also older consoles that can be hacked and filled with any games you want, with community made peripherals that make the pre-HDMI consoles compatible with modern TVs.
Balavadan@reddit
People really just use their pc for gaming and nothing else?
And try playing paradox games on console. No thanks
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
No one plays paradox games
Balavadan@reddit
I wish
Wild_Fire2@reddit
Weeps in thousands of hours played staring at maps.
GraXXoR@reddit
Me, too. Bought my pc before daughters started at uni. Ni way in hell I’m going to be able to afford these “new” prices.
Insanity. And pretty depressing, ngl.
BrightPage@reddit
GN: "Things are still bad and getting worse. Prepare accordingly."
Reddit: "OH MY GOOOOOD CAN'T YOU JUST BE HAPPY FOR ONCEEEEE?????"
Loose_Skill6641@reddit
more complaining instead of looking for solutions
dustingibson@reddit
Awareness and clarity of problem is part of looking for solutions. It's like the biggest role of media and journalism.
chlamydia1@reddit
What solutions? Incesting billions of dollars into opening a competing business?
Whatcanyado420@reddit
Exactly. He has nothing valuable to offer.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Neither do you.
cbrec@reddit
Ironically, that’s what your comment is doing
hardware-ModTeam@reddit
Not everyone who disagree with you is a bot. Thats not how it works.
Meaningless comments that does not relate the topic will be removed. Serious offenders will get a ban.
techgrouparts@reddit
AI changing everything for the better who cares if prices go up im still upgrading !
TechnologyForTheWin@reddit
2 day old account 😂
techgrouparts@reddit
what what just saying
Mike_Prowe@reddit
The Alex Jones of the techtubers
Bluntbows@reddit
Insane comment section.
AnyImpression6@reddit
If Redditors hate him, he's doing something right.
BIT-NETRaptor@reddit
I read it quite the opposite: He’s the most redditor-like personality. Everything about maximum engagement, farming controversy and stoking populist rage.
HairlessChest@reddit
can this guy get a haircut
Roninswen@reddit
You comment this on every one of his vids that gets posted here. I think you're projecting your own hair insecurities and/or maybe have a crush on "this guy" since you seem eager to comment that every time you find a post with his face on it.
charalt42@reddit
He's probably bald. As a grown man with a head full of hair, every time I decide to grow it out, bald people specifically get weirdly obsessed with telling me to get a haircut. Only bald people. It's jealously
HairlessChest@reddit
i love the downvotes. its better than commenting about how he keeps talking about the AI oligarchy.
Roninswen@reddit
No I think you just have a weird obsession with him and are trying to deflect by talking about downvotes. I'm talking about how weird it is for you to even comment at all.
HairlessChest@reddit
shutup lmao
NonameideaonlyF@reddit
Who are you? His wife?
deadfishlog@reddit
As soon as he gets dental work maybe a haircut is next
GraXXoR@reddit
All these people complaining about the video from a different website that they don’t need to visit on the website where you can literally just scroll past it.
They sound like they were forced to watch The whole thing from start to finish with their eyes taped open like in Clockwork Orange.
pfak@reddit
At least personally its because I miss GN when he did legit cool stuff instead of just ragebait.
chlamydia1@reddit
We're in a market where most viewers can't afford new hardware. It would be pretty tasteless to be doing benchmarks of grossly marked up hardware that 5% of hos audience can afford, while not mentioning the elephant in the room that is affecting 95% of his audience.
seraphinth@reddit
Bruh every hobby is like this now, from pokemon cards to used clothes thrifting it's all ruined by rich ppl entering the hobby for social media clout.
Skensis@reddit
How many people have actually been priced out?
Ok_Assignment_2127@reddit
Mostly non-US/CA/EU/CN/KR people. Global south you could call it?
MaybeADragon@reddit
Most of my friends are priced out and sitting on 16GB of DDR4 and a 20XX series card or below until the market becomes sane.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
The PC hobby has never been cheap. Pandering to people who can't afford anything isn't a great idea when you business model is dependant on advertising.
cadaada@reddit
the english speaking audience of his for sure can afford new hardware. You guys underestimate how easy it is compared to other places.
Boxkid351@reddit
AI also loves ragebait as it causes more traffic to happen. It's kind of ironic in a way, crate a video on how ai is bad only for it to increase AI activity.
GraXXoR@reddit
You do realize this is actually part of his WTF series of videos and not his general stuff. The guy has different streams videos, which cover different aspects of the market and his WTF videos just a part of that
crab_quiche@reddit
He has a series for unintellectual ragebait and that’s a good thing???
Hsensei@reddit
Steve must live rent free in your head. The obsession is a little ick tbh
crab_quiche@reddit
At least I don’t call him Tech Jesus like his culty followers do
szyzk@reddit
"top 1% commenter" in a sub you hate for a video series you hate hosted by a presenter you hate
crab_quiche@reddit
This isn’t the Gamers Nexus cult sub, you clown
szyzk@reddit
you're right, i thought it was. i jumped the gun because i'm so used to discourse everywhere i'm subbed being dominated by a constant flow of naysayers, contrarians, and bots. carry on your crusade.
seatux@reddit
GN rants are at least somewhat coherent, Tech Yes City rants are like illuminati crack.
exilus92@reddit
If it's all irreverent and no one on reddit should care.... why the fuck are you here commenting?!
chlamydia1@reddit
This sub is full of bots/trolls.
anor_wondo@reddit
yes of course. everything you don't agree with is bots
DerExperte@reddit
A copy & pasted bot-response if I've ever seen one. Maybe change up the gibberish you folks post and folks would be less suspicious.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
More copy-paste than simply calling everyone a bot?
chlamydia1@reddit
I said bots or trolls. For example, someone lime yourself, who is active on multiple AI subreddits, coming to troll a video about consumer hardware prices being fucked by AI.
sh1boleth@reddit
I disagree with GN’s takes, not a bot, not an AI bro. Go scour my post history
theunspillablebeans@reddit
The old profile deep dive for anyone you disagree with. Classic move. Thank God they added visibility controls to fend off the professional Redditors.
GraXXoR@reddit
That’s exactly what a bot would say
ritz_are_the_shitz@reddit
I honestly see the most out of touch opinions and outright bootlicking in this subreddit, but I stay here because it's still a decent link aggregator. It's a sad state of affairs when r/gaming has better takes than the majority of commentators here (notably on DLSS5)
zakats@reddit
Bingo. Contriving a culture of shitting on the watchmen just astroturfs the field for dystopian scum to rip off consumers more.
InconspicuousRadish@reddit
People get to voice opinions. If people consider it cringe, it's their right to comment on it.
You don't have to police a community to defend some streamer.
TristheHolyBlade@reddit
They never said people couldn't have their opinions.
They were clearly voicing their opinions on said opinions.
Why is it that you people always have to jump to this "well people are allowed to do this" when nobody is fucking talking about that?
It's the most thought terminating, cliche, useless thing you can contribute to the conversation.
DerExperte@reddit
They're not even engaging with the content of the video, calling out errors or disagreeing with points Steve made, it's just 'WAAAH GN STOP HURTING MY FEELINGS'.
Whirblewind@reddit
Shh apologist, the adults are talking. You not agreeing with their points doesn't mean they weren't worth making.
orangebish@reddit
Anti-GN bots flooding the comments as usual.
We get it, you live in your bubble and don't like to be reminded that the world is fucked. Or you are supporting the fuckery. Either way, you are not the target audience of these videos. They are for people who still care.
exsinner@reddit
I've been called bot everytime i goes against reddit hivemind and im starting to feel self aware now. You human plebs should be scared.
wickedplayer494@reddit (OP)
I have a good feeling a good chunk of the people being upset by the points made are the very sneakerheads that started to invade the space in the wake of GeForce 30/40 and the first round of Verified Priority Access, that weren't too pleased that the market became okay later on into GeForce 40 and into early GeForce 50 (NVIDIA's dogshit MSRPs notwithstanding).
The price manipulation (because you can't say the R-word here without getting dogpiled) perpetuated by the OEMs also ends up cascading onto the second-hand market as FUD/FOMO sets in, which they stand to benefit hugely from. But this time, now the OEMs have the "AI" buzzword to fall back on, and people will eat it hook, line, and sinker, without accounting/auditing for whether the hardware is actually going there or if it's actually OEMs just happy to rest on their laurels, or even trim production as mentioned in this piece.
chlamydia1@reddit
You can click their profiles. There are three types of posters:
kikimaru024@reddit
I am none of these things.
Been on Reddit for over a decade.
Gamers Nexus/Steve is garbage now.
AdventurousTime@reddit
Your boi GN fucking sucks, that’s why we hate him
Enjoy_The_Ride413@reddit
Channels like these are just completely irrelevant in this day and age. I honestly don't care about how quiet a case is or how many watts a fan pulls. He seems to be trying hard to justify his existence but ultimately a boring useless show to be honest.
Him, LTT, Paul's Hardware, And the other guy I can't remember. The guy who loves his mustangs.
Seems like they should have stayed in the 2010s.
Dependent-Title-1362@reddit
What the fuck did I just read
Enjoy_The_Ride413@reddit
Engrish, due you speak it?
zippopwnage@reddit
Who hurt you?
SomeMobile@reddit
Look at me I am GN I am literally retreading the same topic for the gazillionth time in the same 4 months and while also talking like I am an absolute authority of knowledge and morals
Sharp_eee@reddit
He does this while also making bank twisting the truth in the way he presents facts and data. Literally doing what he claims to despise. If you take the time to fact check the articles or info he quotes in its entire context you’ll see this.
KARMAAACS@reddit
Yeah it's become tiresome. Still hasn't reviewed the very affordable 9060 XT 8GB which he received months ago. But remember if he doesn't do what he's doing PC Gaming is going to become unaffordable apparently.
AdventurousTime@reddit
Something something ltt
KeonXDS@reddit
Trash ass comment section right here.
cbrec@reddit
Tech Jesus ftw 🙌
GatesTech@reddit
ahh yeah waiting for CPUs: WTF?
tecedu@reddit
Now how are ssds coming up now, we had ssds shortages in enterprise in q2 last year. Prices were already on the uptrend, how is that any different?