Intel Arc Pro B70 has been tested in games, 45% faster than B60
Posted by 6950@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 119 comments
Posted by 6950@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 119 comments
SlippyFist_68@reddit
~83fps in Cyberpunk @1440p according to their graphs
Professional-Log7293@reddit
just save a couple hundred dollars for a 5080 at that point
Noreng@reddit
If the average uplift is about 45%, that places the card just above an RTX 5060 Ti 16GB in terms of gaming performance. That's not a great outlook, even considering the 32GB VRAM (which will be completely pointless for gaming).
celtiberian666@reddit
With that VRAM they're screaming "buy me to run a LLM".
Lo0kingGlass@reddit
Intel is clearly aiming at getting home labbers familiar with their product for when they roll out more serious enterprise hardware. I think it’s pretty smart personally.
kwirky88@reddit
An llm that size is going to hallucinate everything it outputs.
IsometricRain@reddit
Exactly, that guy can't talk about PC hardware without thinking about gaming.
This is an exciting GPU in so many ways, zero of those being anything to do with gaming.
apatheticonion@reddit
It's more that I use my PC for work and play - having the ability to do both is compelling.
My 9070xt has been pretty great for gaming, but the limited vram makes running local models less than ideal (though it does work well enough).
If the b70 offered similar gaming performance and the ability to run more powerful LLMs - that sounds very compelling.
Noreng@reddit
What was the topic again?
"Intel Arc Pro B70 has been tested in games, 45% faster than B60"
Oh
moofunk@reddit
The original review and follow up discussion was about AI workloads. Videocardz just picked out the gaming bits of the review.
Noreng@reddit
OP shared this article regarding the gaming performance of the B70 to discuss the viability of running LLMs on it?
moofunk@reddit
OP shared an article that is sharing a subset of an article and discussion that focuses on AI workloads.
We are allowed to discuss AI workloads.
Geddagod@reddit
Sure, you are allowed to, but then why are you surprised people are talking about the gaming performance of this card.... under an article about the gaming performance of this card?
moofunk@reddit
I think you have to read between the lines here. This attempt at moderation also happens on articles that don't reference gaming performance.
It's not whether you talk about it, but the incessant deriding of hardware that's not made for gaming and then asking other people to stop talking about that hardware.
For this post, it's the "stay on topic" comments that come across at moderation attempts.
SlippyFist_68@reddit
The original article isn't linked here, only the gaming context of this GPU. Nobody is stopping anyone from discussing the other applications of it, but I hope you understand why a lot of the discussion ITT is focused on it's gaming performance.
moofunk@reddit
No, but your continued commenting makes it look like you're trying to moderate the thread to be only about gaming on a piece of hardware not built for gaming.
I understand that it's because any GPU article linked in this sub is usually commented on by people who can't look at hardware beyond gaming, rather than it being about the article talking about gaming.
Had the article linked been the original Level1Tech article, it would have been the same type of comments, complaining about a lack of gaming performance.
As it is, we may probably not get a post linking to the original review, which is more balanced and informative and more discussion worthy.
I hope you understand.
SlippyFist_68@reddit
I'm responding to replies implying I'm a simpleton for focusing on the focus of the article, and don't have a single reply ITT outside of this chain. Maybe I was too abrasive, my bad but I was surprised at how many people either missed the point or tried to dissect my post.
Had the article linked here focused on those areas, we'd be talking about it ITT more. But it didn't, so we're not, and nobody is trying to shut down more context unrelated to this article's focus.
IsometricRain@reddit
That's just a headline. The topic is that the B70 has been tested, in both games and with LLMs. Most people get that the interesting parts of this GPU (and therefore the review) is stuff that requires >16GB of ram.
That includes the speed/compatibility with various local LLMs and diffusion models, and related software. Sure, games can use >16GB too, but that's exceedingly rare and wasn't part of the level1techs post.
Outside of niche, very VRAM limited games, discussing the gaming performance of an obviously AI-first GPU is missing the forest for the trees.
SlippyFist_68@reddit
Hmmm I wonder what the headline of the article is? I wish I could read, then I'd be able to tell what the context of what they're focusing on
Alternative-Luck-825@reddit
This is a professional card priced at $950, yet it delivers gaming performance roughly equivalent to a $400–450 gaming card. When judged by professional card standards, its gaming performance offers exceptionally high value for money.
Alternative-Luck-825@reddit
This is a professional card, not a gaming card. If you compare it with other professional cards, for example, the RTX Pro 4000, which sells for $1300 and only has gaming performance equivalent to an RTX 2060.
liadanaf@reddit
I haven seen countless games recently that reach 16gb area == stuttering
Vb_33@reddit
That's exactly what I expected. People expecting 5070 performance were overly optimistic. Granted this isn't the B770, more of a Black RTX Pro card.
AlexGSquadron@reddit
3080 with 32gb of vram thats actually very bad
DwarfPaladin84@reddit
Unless you do VR Gaming as well, the VRAM helps there with mods and such. It's why I switched from a 9070XT to a 5090. So much smoother in VR Gaming.
CrowdGoesWildWoooo@reddit
I mean duh a 3-4x price upgrade, i expect it would run anything i throw at it.
SensitivePipe2472@reddit
Star Citizen has entered the chat
Cute-Pomegranate-966@reddit
This is going to be a steal come soon. I wouldn't worry about that price...
IsometricRain@reddit
Pointing out how a B70's main selling point is pointless for... gaming?
The point of this testing is that it can run games well at all, which is essentially just a small bonus for the people shopping for cards like this.
The entire point, and competitive advantage of this thing is that 32GB of VRAM, which is incredibly useful in so many ways. LLMs
WuWaCamellya@reddit
I mean, for what you are getting a 270k and this thing would be a killer workstation for the price with the amount of multi threaded CPU perf and VRAM that combo has, for the combined cost of like a single 5080 with half the vram.
Noreng@reddit
Don't get me wrong, there are obvious usecases for it, but pure gaming is not one of them.
Radiant-Sherbet-5461@reddit
He said "killer workstation" and somehow you interpret it to mean "pure gaming" device?
Noreng@reddit
We were talking about gaming, not workstation use.
Emergency-Repeat6838@reddit
how did you do it
Noreng@reddit
The nested quotations? Use markdown and a bunch of >
WuWaCamellya@reddit
Definitely not, but this thing isn't marketing as a gaming card at all.
996forever@reddit
What’s the price of nvidia’s equivalent from the RTX Pro lineup?
Noreng@reddit
Significantly higher of course? RTX PRO 4500 Blackwell is the first alternative with 32GB. It's still a pretty lackluster gaming GPU.
sixothree@reddit
$950 is the going rate for a used 3090 right?
SlippyFist_68@reddit
You can find used 3090 for $600 IIRC
ysisverynice@reddit
ebay price is around $1k right now
caf_throw_away@reddit
ebay stuff is always overvalued because you have to pay for duties and also account for the cut eBay takes.
If you buy locally, it's much cheaper.
Early_Juice_9787@reddit
Yeah I just sold spare card ftw3 3090 spare card for 1136 on eBay about a week ago state side
SlippyFist_68@reddit
This looks like a verified seller offering it for $509.00
jforce321@reddit
the listing when you go it it literally says its not working.
SlippyFist_68@reddit
here's another one
jforce321@reddit
What are you saying? the guy literally has zero feedback. There's a big outbreak of zero feedback accounts posting low priced items as scams or to bait people to post items cheap for scalpers.
SlippyFist_68@reddit
I didn't look at it correctly, that's my bad. Thanks for pointing my mistake out
jforce321@reddit
np
Jobastion@reddit
Uhh... 320k reviews... or 0?
SlippyFist_68@reddit
Look, I might be stupid. I didn't know that but now that I do I have a lot to deal with 😭
luancyworks@reddit
that was true back in October, but now closer to $900. Because of this I bought 2 B70s without blinking an eye. The 3090 will be too old and outdated in a year or so and the B70 will still have warranty, so I can't afford to put down $900 for a used card that might not make it another year.
el_pezz@reddit
Really $1000 or more. Where are you finding a 3090 for $600?
liadanaf@reddit
3090 doesnt have HW accelerated FG or MFG
sixothree@reddit
So this isn’t a terrible deal then?
randomkidlol@reddit
in a couple years when this thing shows up on the used market or clearance bins its gonna be great value.
AlexGSquadron@reddit
my 3080 runs it at 165fps with frame gen, 85fps without. So unfortunately thats a 3080 equivalent for 1000$
cadaada@reddit
This isnt a gaming gpu is it? Why care about game benchmarks?
soggybiscuit93@reddit
Because many people who'd buy this for local AI probably also want to play games sometimes, so it's useful to know where it stands.
I think what is functionally a 32GB 5060ti for $1000 is a great deal for a specific market
the-og-goat@reddit
Nope, I don't game at all.
soggybiscuit93@reddit
Anecdotal.
I do both
tnoy@reddit
People with professional cards still like to play games. How is this even a question?
the-og-goat@reddit
All people or or minority.
Alternative-Luck-825@reddit
For a professional card at this price point, its gaming performance is actually very impressive. In comparison, the RTX Pro 4000, priced at $1300, only delivers gaming performance roughly equivalent to an RTX 2060.
Malygos_Spellweaver@reddit
it isn't but just for fun
S_A_N_D_@reddit
The issue odd that people in this thread are taking these bemchmarks seriously as if Intel somehow failed because this card isn't good for gaming.
Malygos_Spellweaver@reddit
Yeah, half this sub is populated with arrogant, self-centered "gamers".
Geddagod@reddit
And the other half is populated with people constantly whining about people who mention gaming anywhere in any context.
ThankGodImBipolar@reddit
Why shouldn't these benchmarks be taken seriously? How it performs while gaming shouldn't factor into the value proposition of the card, as it isn't for that, but the performance is still interesting in an academic sense. This is literally the B770 with a different name, just like the R9700 is a 9070XT with a different name. People have been waiting for years to see what a B770 would be capable of, and it doesn't seem like we'll ever get a better look than this.
S_A_N_D_@reddit
It's not about the benchmarks, it's how people are reacting like it's somehow a failure if it doesn't perform well in gaming.
Its like benchmarking a tractor for how it performs in a car race. There is nothing wrong with doing the test, but that doesn't mean it's a failure because the latest lambo tractor doesn't go 0-60 like a supercar.
And while it might be a b770 with a different name, drivers and firmware matter and the they likely leave a lot to desire with regards to gaming. That doesn't make it a bad card.
Is he issue isn't in the benchmarks, or even if some people want to game with it, the issue is how people are criticising it on the basis that this workstation card isn't necessarily a great value for gaming.
AtLeastItsNotCancer@reddit
Maybe because a "big battlemage" gaming graphics card (AKA B770) has been long rumored/leaked to be in the works but never officially announced? This is basically it with double the VRAM, double the price and marketed towards AI workloads.
We'll likely never see the gaming version when there's more money to be made in chasing AI customers, but of course people are going to be curious about it when it's been teased for over a year.
FatalCakeIncident@reddit
Good clickbait and a simple thing for simple reviewers to run, I suppose. It's not as if any of these guys have the chops to test any of the workloads these devices are aimed at, but running a game's built-in benchmark tool is roughly within their skill range.
kpcurley@reddit
The is tempting as a local LLM card. wuth 32gb you can confidently run 14B parameter models with large context windows. That can really be useful for coding and agentic work that is secure.
ea_man@reddit
Do we have a price point for the B65 ?
I don't care about compute I just want VRAM.
Tai9ch@reddit
For what?
If you're going to run LLMs on it, having enough compute for decent prompt processing speed matters.
ThankGodImBipolar@reddit
Either GPU would be plenty fast for running an LLM server for individual use. This thing fries my 7800XT in INT8 TOPs, and that's been fast enough for me to do development with local LLM agents. If you're impatient or serving multiple users, then the inference speed might be more important; use case changes what might be deemed acceptable wildly.
ea_man@reddit
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/intel-b70-launch-unboxed-and-tested/247873
13.4tok/sec aint' 1k $ fast enough for me.
ThankGodImBipolar@reddit
Don't buy it then lol. I'm not going to either.
luancyworks@reddit
The issue with the RTX3090 is where can you get them with warranty? Most of my work the client requires warranty and scalability. They want a semi known cost and hunting around for RTX3090 in unknown condition is too big of waste of time.
ea_man@reddit
Yeah but I ain't chatting with a sexy bot, I'm spitting code. Lots of code.
ea_man@reddit
First you need the VRAM, then the compute.
B70 is DOA for me, it's a 2 years old card released now without proper support. A cheaper version, next year used, may make sense to run bigger models at slow speed.
wywywywy@reddit
The source has LLM benchmarks as well https://forum.level1techs.com/t/intel-b70-launch-unboxed-and-tested/247873
kwirky88@reddit
A 27b param model is kinda useless unless it’s tuned for very specific tasks.
ea_man@reddit
> For a single request the floor performance with dynamic FP8 quant of qwen 27b on a single gpu was
> Avg prompt throughput: 85.4 tokens/s, , Avg generation throughput: 13.4 tokens/s
It's a bit low I'm afraid. I dunno if I would spend 1K for a GPU to run QWEN dense at 13tok/sec.
I mean you can run it and that means game on yet I'm not rushing to buy one, gonna need for some optimization on llama.cp I guess.
Many_Career_9035@reddit
Sadly not dethroning the 3090 as cheap local LLM darling.
ea_man@reddit
Yep, that thing also has worse VRAM quality, it's shit from like 3-4 years ago consumer, not pro stuff.
PilksUK@reddit
So? now show me comparison against AMD and Nvidia's card in the same price bracket.
webotudo@reddit
la que compraré será esta para IA https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/Intel/Intel%20Arc%20Pro%20B70%20Passive%2032GB/
Vast_Ad_7929@reddit
Wow just in water is wet, in the morning it is bright outside. A workbench card is worse than gaming cards at gaming benchmarks.
sas41@reddit
So tech reporting is just flipping someone else's effort nowdays, yeah?
Credit goes to the wonderful Wendell from Level1Techs:
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/intel-b70-launch-unboxed-and-tested/247873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJr2msyqGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJr2msyqGY
YoghiThorn@reddit
That's pretty much been journalism for a while now.
996forever@reddit
Yes especially from a "source" like VideoCardz
ForsakenChocolate878@reddit
Isn't that supposed to be a workstation card?
renrutal@reddit
Intel Arc game drivers support Pro cards officially, so I suppose they can be gaming cards too.
kyussorder@reddit
Yes, but if I'm mistaken the gaming variant (B770) is in undetermined state. The B70 can use the gaming drivers, so we can extrapolate how a theoretical B770 would perform.
dparks1234@reddit
Normalize letting workstation cards use gaming drivers!
GfurEnjoyer1488@reddit
You could do that on Fermi-era (and probably later) Quadros and get like 2-3x fps in games
996forever@reddit
And you just end up with a very poor value gaming card either way
Gloriathewitch@reddit
b770 cancelled due to ram
ThankGodImBipolar@reddit
The B770 had literally more than a year to come out before RAM prices skyrocketed... it was canceled because it would have been uncompetitive.
Perfect_Exercise_232@reddit
Bro yall HAVE to let it go b770 is canned in this market. At best we wait for Celestial
Best_VDV_Diver@reddit
Sucks, but yeah. That seems to be the case.
S_A_N_D_@reddit
I think is pretty clear the B770 isn't happening, and rather the next gaming card, if one is released, will be celestial based.
certainlystormy@reddit
both lines of drivers work for both cards. its a bit of a may-as-well thing lol
Ben-D-Yair@reddit
What is the Nvidia equivalent
Dangerman1337@reddit
So barely faster than a 5060 Ti while using a near-twice as large die. Yeah no surprise Intel didn't want to release a B770.
Solcrystals@reddit
Not that it actually changes anything but the gaming version would likely have a higher power limit. Making it in the ballpark of 4070. While still costing twice that to manufacture. It means nothing though. Itd be an almost 300w monster of a die that barely reaches a generation old midrange card. Unfortunate as hell really. 😔
zushiba@reddit
Is Intel marketing this card for gaming? Because 32gigs of ram seem to point to it being aimed at AI.
tekbredus@reddit
It is aimed at AI. In house ai models should run quite well on this. Ironically, the HUGE model from corridor crew that greenscreens like a boss would work perfectly on this (it needs 32 gigs)
OfficialHavik@reddit
It’s not a gaming card, so not sure why people are wrapped up around gaming perf or are trying to extrapolate that out.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
Because it's what a B770 would have been for gaming. Not that complicated.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
Because it's what a B770 would have been for gaming. It's really not that hard.
Paed0philic_Jyu@reddit
It has \~60% more compute than the B580 and is around 50% faster.
The math checks out.
KolkataK@reddit
It's clocked a bit lower too with power capped at 230W vs B580's 190W
Johnny_Oro@reddit
If this performs like 4070, full power B770 probably would've been close to 4070 Super.
Emergency-Repeat6838@reddit
scaling does not make the perf scale too but this ratio is sick . i hope you are implying that
imKaku@reddit
So around maybe a 4070 ish? Not terrible honestly. Is it the best gaming gpu for your buck no, but even workstations are good to game on.
SlanderMans@reddit
Need the tests on llm performance
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