Anon was a conspiracy theorist

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SudhaTheHill@reddit

Some of the conspiracy theories sound too absurd to be kept secret by the thousands of people involved in them but I have no doubt about the theories where the governments are tipping over the common man.

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Zermist@reddit

>Some of the conspiracy theories sound too absurd to be kept secret by the thousands of people Like an island where billionaires and past presidents go to have sex with children? And thousands of people are implicated? I think you forgot that this was at one point a crackpot conspiracy. Thousands of people ABSOLUTELY can keep a secret under wraps

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NCD_Lardum_AS@reddit

>And thousands of people are implicated Thousands of people who *benefited from it*. There aren't thousands of normal people involved in it. 9/11, thousands of people who have no reason to keep it a secret would have to.

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ElcorAndy@reddit

>Thousands of people who *benefited from it*. More like dozens to a hundred plus people. Thousands of people is a fucking massive operation. Fortune 500 companies run on thousands of people.

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OdwordCollon@reddit

9/11 also has natural information silos because many separate things happened that did not require inter-coordination. No one had to have the full picture in their head. Eg: Lucky Larry gets wind of a potential terror attack on the WTC and hires a small ex-mossad team of demolition experts to make them actually fall. This wouldn't require anyone in the actual intelligence services to know what he was up to. Or the various anonymous traders that made millions on airline puts among other things: even smaller circle. Or the decision makers in the intelligence services that get wind of a potential terrorist attack and decide not to follow-up on it: a few key decision makers innocuously deciding resource allocation. And none of these possibilities were ever seriously followed up on because the purpose of the subsequent investigation was about providing a coherent narrative to a traumatized nation. There was no room for doubt or ambiguity. Eg: the investigation into aforementioned suspicious market activity only went so far as to clear those involved of any explicit ties to al-qaeda, there was never an investigation into other channels through which they might have received information of the pending attacks.

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MyDogIsDaBest@reddit

The thing is, even that has leaked, because if it hadn't had some kind of leak, the conspiracy theory wouldn't have existed.

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gruez@reddit

> Like an island where billionaires and past presidents go to have sex with children? Which specific presidents are you talking about? At best there's vague implications that they were involved in sex abuse, but using this as proof of conspiracy is like using the JFK assassination as proof of conspiracy. >And thousands of people are implicated? I think you forgot that this was at one point a crackpot conspiracy. Thousands of people ABSOLUTELY can keep a secret under wraps Thousands of people went to the island or had contact with Epstein. That's not the same as being personally involved themselves, or even knowing it was occurring.

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notinthislifetime20@reddit

Things don’t have to be a secret, they just have to sound crazy enough that the whistleblowers get institutionalized ridiculed for saying anything. Diddy and Epstein were open secrets for decades before they got taken down.

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HiveMindKing@reddit

What like America where they try to me tip the butcher and at bakeries? The government is doing that, god damn them.

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CelDidNothingWrong@reddit

Best argument against 9/11 truthers. Anyone that’s worked even tangentially to government knows it would have been leaked before 2002 if real.

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Obvious_Parsley3238@reddit

COINTELPRO went on for 15 years before some random activists broke into a field office and found files about it.

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CelDidNothingWrong@reddit

Exactly! An infinitely smaller, and easier to conceal program was leaked within 15 years. 9/11 would take thousands of individuals to pull off, and hasn’t been leaked after 25 years. Cheers I’ll use this when making the point in future!

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Brilliant-Mountain57@reddit

How does it take thousands to train 20 men to hijack planes and crash them into important buildings

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PuffinRub@reddit

Good job for determining the exact opposite of the point! They were talking about the manpower it would take to cover up a **hypothetical** conspiracy theory, not to pull off the act of terrorism that **actually** happened.

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Obvious_Parsley3238@reddit

It wasn't 'leaked' by an insider, a random activist group broke into an FBI office, found files, and sent it to newspapers. Obviously 9/11 was not a conspiracy, but we can't dismiss any large conspiracy by saying "someone would have leaked it".

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CelDidNothingWrong@reddit

Yes we can, that’s what your example just demonstrated? That it’s unrealistic to assume governments are capable of secretly conducting things like 9/11

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Obvious_Parsley3238@reddit

But it did, for a long time, until a random activist group, having no idea what they were looking for, stumbled upon it by pure luck. No one on the inside felt like revealing it. By definition, I can't provide an example of a government conspiracy that HAS been successfully kept quiet. That doesn't mean they are impossible.

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PuffinRub@reddit

>Anyone that’s worked even tangentially to government knows it would have been leaked before 2002 if real. Wow, you're exposing yourself as an overly optimistic dreamer here. :-)

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ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit

Perhaps that's true, but it's no good as an argument. Conspiracy theorists don't trust people with a connection to the government.

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thr33beggars@reddit

Sounds like something someone with connections to the government would say….

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SuperSocialMan@reddit

That's what the government wants you to think.

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Slide-Maleficent@reddit

But what if - and hear me out on this - George W Bush went to a gay orgy in Syria, noticed a group of self-hating Saudi Muslims sitting in the corner trying to pretend they weren't masturbating, casually strode by while making sure to show off his firm, toned white butt cheeks and loudly proclaimed "GEE I SURE HOPE NO ONE DECIDES TO FLY TWO PLANES INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER AND ONE INTO THE PENTAGON THAT WOULD BE OMG SO BAD FOR AMERICA Y'ALL"

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thr33beggars@reddit

Sounds like something the government would say…

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Dannosaurous69@reddit

>Be Government agent >Need to keep the secrets secret .jpeg >make a 4chan post about working in information security (idk what that is) >claim to be an ex conspiracy theorist because of this job >hides fact im trying to cover up epstien >well received

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Paradox0111@reddit

CIA.gov literally had a pdf for the longest time that any one could read. It explicitly stated, “The best place to hide something is in plain sight.” The thing with a lot of conspiracies is people can’t be bothered to believe them or do anything about them. Even if they do someone else will just call them a conspiracy theorist and shut them down.

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MothWaifu1711@reddit

Pretty sure Inside Job has a joke that goes just like this

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Goingallinn@reddit

So what is the max time to keep up a cover up, if many people are involved? Conspiracys happen everyday, small and big, just most of them are not exciting or mean much.

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PUNCH_KNIGHT@reddit

Remember to treat your fellow conspiracy theory nuts as a fire alarm. It may go off because of just some burnt popcorn but it'll save ur ass in a real fire

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Leadfarmerbeast@reddit

It’s funny when conspiracy theorists get close to class consciousness because they are right about rich people getting away with shit because they are rich. Then they go right past that to lizard people, Satanic baby-eating, or the time honored tradition of blaming everything on the Jews. Then they get duped by grifters and ultimately become useful tools for the rich people who they would have been rightfully skeptical of. The people in power want all opposition movements to devolve into absurd conspiracies, instead of people realizing the simple and boring truth that makes the guillotine look really appealing.

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driku12@reddit

Unironically a conspiracy theory I believe and that has some supporting evidence in the Epstein Files is that the rich assholes who partake in human trafficking and the like purposefully popularize these more crazy takes to muddy the waters and prevent the exact class consciousness you mentioned among conspiracy theorists while simultaneously making them look nuts to normal people. If someone goes on some rabbit trail tangent that leads them to a pizza shop in DC or a lizard person that doesn't exist every time they uncover evidence of what you're doing instead of going after you, you don't even really have to hide what you do. You just do it and let the misinformation protect you.

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8123619744@reddit

Epstein had pol made. It’s not a conspiracy lmao. Maxwell was Astroturfing on most social media about Q.

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Deletesystemtf2@reddit

No because the conspiracy nuts have rallied behind Donald despite him being near the center of one of thier main conspiracies. They’re just kinda dumb

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VermicelliSea8928@reddit

doesn't mean anyone with power would take it seriously. Epstein was known about for years before everything went down.

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driku12@reddit

This was my thought, too. The information *was* leaked, people *did* know about it. Attempts by his buddies in government to cover it all up were sloppy and leaky. But it was so terrible that a lot of people didn't want to believe it was happening, those who were willing to believe it sensationalized it instead of sticking to the evidence, and it seems like those that were close enough to it who couldn't deny or twist it were more than happy to take a fat paycheck for looking the other way or even helping. It's the same idea as a gang of cops getting caught beating and executing an innocent guy on camera in broad daylight, and then getting off with no convictions because of qualified immunity. Or even something as small as your local city council embezzling money for themselves or the head of your HOA having some grudge against you and harassing you, specifically, more than the other neighbors. Or even something as universal as someone bullying you, openly, in school and nobody doing anything to stop it. It's not really a "they've got it locked down tight, nobody knows what's really going on" problem, it's more of a "how is anyone realistically gonna do anything about it/fix this situation" problem. The former lets you make fun little theories on the internet and feel like a super smart detective even when you have no idea what you're talking about. The latter requires dedication and effort to affect change in the real world.

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WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit

I’m willing to bet there is at least one or two conspiracy theories that ***weren’t*** true, but someone looked at and was like “you know what? I’ll be taking that. Thanks for the idea!” I’m sort of reminded of how there was an urban legend for those black credit cards and American Express was like “we don’t have that… ***BUT WE TOTALLY SHOULD!”***

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Leadfarmerbeast@reddit

One of my doomer predictions after seeing all the tech bros replicating things in cautionary sci-fi or naming their surveillance corporation Palantir is that we will see Skynet soon. As in, a tech company will make a defense computer, name it Skynet after the hit Terminator movie series, and attempt to make it function just like Skynet because that would be cool.

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AusCro@reddit

Reminds me of the Nixon Watergate theory of God's existence: someone who dealt with Watergate converted to Christianity since the smartest and most organised people in the country couldn't keep a story straight for a few days. Therefore the apostles who were less intelligent and millions of miles from each other telling a similar story must have been telling the truth

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Strong_Weakness2867@reddit

>and millions of miles from each other How big do you think the earth is?

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AusCro@reddit

At least dozens of miles

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SaltyBigBoi@reddit

What would you need to keep under wraps besides data breaches?

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Accurate_College_864@reddit

there is so much information people don't have time to read it all or the ability to connect the dots or even understand what they read if the subject is technical. that's why it goes under the redar even if the info is public, at least until someone runs with it, and at that point it's impossible to know if the guy is honest or not.

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gjb94@reddit

Yeah I've thought for a while that the real "thing going on" is a number of very boring bills being passed, financial deals being made, and companies being merged. The pantomime stuff is just in case anyone kicks up a fuss but it's not really needed because people don't care or understand. "This is a distraction from the Epstein files" has been pissing me off. A number of individuals mean nothing, try and look down the line a bit at what they were coerced into doing and how it effected geopolitics

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