Lebanon orders Iran’s ambassador out, escalating a crackdown on Tehran’s influence
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studio_bob@reddit
I don't like this word, and rarely use it, but is the Lebanese government the most cucked government on the planet right now? This crowd refuses to defend their own people from near constant Israeli attack, instead siding with the aggressor. Is it any wonder why they can't get rid of the only group willing and able to defend the country?
Naggins@reddit
This analysis is entirely contingent on the idea that a significant portion of Lebanon's population Lebanon actually wants Hezbollah "defending" their country. A lot of Lebanese people will instead be of the view, rightly or wrongly, that they'd be far safer from Israeli aggression and attacks without Hezbollah.
Rulweylan@reddit
Fairly sure that this guy would have spent most of 1943 talking about how absurd it was that the Free French government was supporting Allied bombing of France and praising the Vichy regime for standing up to American aggression.
Monterenbas@reddit
Having a foreign backed, sectarian militia, controling part of your country and imposing its foreign policy agenda to the rest of the population, is indeed pretty cucked.
How could any self respecting country, tolerate to not have a monopoly on legitimate violence and sovereignty over its own territory, is beyond my comprehension.
Redditthedog@reddit
Iran and Syria defacto or directly occupied Lebanon for the past 30 years
bano2003@reddit
Which one? The one that plunged it into civil war by creating a parallel state?
studio_bob@reddit
Okay? And the Lebanese government selling out to Israel addresses that how?
BigPapaSlut@reddit
Not necessarily selling out. This is a new government, with a new rhetoric. It’s not the prior government that promised something different.
This government is trying to consolidate Lebanon’s losses in exchange for a peace.
Soldier-Of-Dance@reddit
The Lebanese government is cucked, yes, but you accidentally mistake them as cucked for Israel rather than Hezbollah. Imagine trying to build a stable country while a bunch of bloodthirsty savages are more concerned with genociding the Jews next door rather than helping repairing your failed state. And you know you can’t do anything against said savages because they’ll throw a hissy fit (read: civil war) if you try to force them to comply.
thegodfather0504@reddit
No bigger cuck than usa. the biggest cuck. Yuge. Everybody's saying that.
Ashenveiled@reddit
Cant wait to see Iranian bots and HAMAS lovers to tell me how Hezbollah and Iran are working in interest of Lebanon and do not harm it in any way. And that its Israel's fault that Lebanon turned from "Middle-eastern Switzerland" to failed state in few decades.
baked_in@reddit
Hi, Iranian Hamas bot checking in. Israel is fucked no matter what anyone thinks or hopes. Enjoy that reality.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
how so?
Waldoh@reddit
Israelis No Longer Ahead in Americans' Middle East Sympathies
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Israel has gotten to the point where they dont need our help to secure their borders, they have nuclear weapons and a highly advanced military. They are also putting in effort to make sure they are not as reliant on us anymore. The biggest threat to them are internal, the Hasidic jews. Im not saying that they are bad, just that economically they are an issue that will have to go one way or the other.
Waldoh@reddit
Lmfao the cope
Ok take all the American tax dollars and weapons away then, let's see how they do 🤷
The_Aim_Was_Song@reddit
You're reversing cause and effect here.
Israel won two of their unlikeliest victories (1949, 1967) during the period when the United States was either actively embargoing them, or broadly passive. They held the line as well in 1973, when US support had already begun, but was fairly symmetrical to Soviet support for the Arab armies.
US military support of Israel isn't the cause of their military capability. While American certainly bolsters the IDF materially, that support is the result of Israel having acquited itself as an extremely competent fighting force.
I get the temptation to let wishful thinking colour one's assessment, and I get the sense that you'd really like for Israel's military ability to be a house of cards that'd topple if US support reduces. However, we've already seen their military, without substantial US support, eke out unlikely wins during an era when their strategic situation was considerably worse than it is today.
Basically, we've already seen your "let's see" situation. We don't have to treat it as a hypothetical, though I suspect that it's a natural experiment whose results you may not be happy about.
Waldoh@reddit
2026 isn't 1948 or 1967.
Take away all the money US taxpayers provide in direct aid and to the apartheid regime of israel and let's see how they do 🤷
America depleted 25% of its air defenses during the 12 day war last year defending Israel, we are moving thaad systems from South Korea to defend them during operation Epstein's fury, the iron dome has proven to be penetrated by modern irgc weapons and the 80,000 shahed drones they have stockpiled have barely been touched.
Israel can't exist as it does without the United States.
HalfLeper@reddit
OK, “Operation Epstein Fury” is golden, though 🤣
The_Aim_Was_Song@reddit
God, I hate Brandolini's Law, but it always applies...
Like last time, you're mistaking wishful thinking for analysis. I totally get that you're emotionally invested in a fantasy of Israeli fragility, but it just doesn't hold.
Unless I'm profoundly misunderstanding your position, what you wish to believe is this: "If not for US military aid, the monetary cost of defense spending and the human cost of military and civilian losses would cause Israel to crumble."
You actually could have made a good point if you haven't over-extended. Without US monetary aid, Israel would spend 10-25% more on its military. Without the United States expending its own interceptors (e.g. THAAD, Patriot -- though your mention of "Iron Dome," a defense layer made for short-range rockets rather than IRBMs, highlights a deep misunderstanding of some really basic-level stuff), Israel would take much higher human losses on the home front.
Neither of these things are society-rending, even if you really, really, really, want Israel to crumble.
Without US financial aid to Israel's military (roughly one-sixth of Israeli defense spending ovre the past two decades), Israel would spend on its military a percentage of its GDP that's pretty similar to its 1948-1973 era. Israel survived that, and there's little reason to think it wouldn't survive it again.
Without US burning their own inventory of interceptors, Israelis' war experience would be significantly worse in terms of human losses: Likely similar to Ukraine today, Britain during the Blitz, or any number of countries who have sustained moderate pain on the home front during wartime. Like other countries who've been in that situation, Israel would be overwhelmingly likely to survive that suffering.
This is a particularly bizarre framing. Missile and drone defense doctrine assumes a goal of intercepting most incoming ordnance. The fact that some have gotten through isn't a "proof" against a claim of invulnerability that was never made. It's just a tragic fact that no system is ever going to be 100% effective, and it was never expected to be. Also, again: Iron Dome is for short-range rockets. The systems that are salient to IRBMs are David's Sling, Arrow 2, and Arrow 3. If one is getting such easy 101-level stuff wrong, one might do well to consider whether the stridency of one's opinion outstrips one's grasp of incredibly basic facts.
Israel's strategic position is also far better than it was during the 1949-1967 period when it was without substantial US support. It no longer has full-strength militaries along every land border. It no longer has an 11-mile wasp's waist in the centre sapping strategic depth, or Syrian overwatch on the edge of the Golan plateau. Sixty years ago, Israel had air superiority. Today, that gap has widened to something approaching air supremacy.
You had half of a useful argument when you correctly pointed out that, without material US aid and support, Israel would be worse off than it is today. After that, you missed making any argument that this would cause Israel to crumble, and you seem to handwaved away the fact that Israel's strategic situation is much, much better than it was pre-'67.
tl;dr: Wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which fills up first.
tl;dr 2: Clearly, I didn't want to deal with the pile of laundry that I've got to do, and I appreciate the excuse to procrastinate.
Waldoh@reddit
Complete and total nonsense
Again, take away all the money the US gives them then if they're so strong and not fragile.
Let's see how they fare against 80,000 shahed drones without daddy USA's help
The_Aim_Was_Song@reddit
Hey friend, it's okay if it takes you two passes to read things and absorb them.
The way they'd fare is that their defense spending would go up by 10-25%, and they'd likely start taking wartime losses similar to Ukrainians today, or Brits during the Blitz.
Pointing that they'd have higher defense spending and take higher losses is grounded in fact. Pretending that this would cause them to magically crumble is grounded in your fantasy.
You got some pretty basic things wrong to have this strident of an opinion, and on my end, this has felt like it did in 2020 when arguing with anti-vaxxers.
Waldoh@reddit
Its cute that you think almost 30 days into operation Epsteins Fury, a joint operation with the USA and Israel that the irgc is currently winning, that Israel could survive on their own.
If they're so strong let's just take all their money and weapons away. Make them commit genocide on their own without our help and see how long they last
The_Aim_Was_Song@reddit
I can't tell whether you can't read or won't read, but wither way, I'm going to wish you the best of luck in life. I get the sense that you need any luck you can get.
All the best, big guy. Sorry you're sad that your boogeyman isn't going anywhere.
Waldoh@reddit
I wonder if you'll keep this same attitude when trump takes Canada through Alberta and drafts your sons and daughters into Israel's forever war and genocidal conquests 🤷
HalfLeper@reddit
Aren’t they the ones who make the weapons these days?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
what do you think will happen if the US moves out? that all nations surrounding them will invade? I doubt that, considering they most likely have nukes
Waldoh@reddit
Are you saying they'll use nukes if the us moves out?!
If not, then who cares. How is it our problem? They have free healthcare and free college, maybe they need a taste of having to pay for shit themselves instead of mooching on yours and my tax dollars
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
no, i mean like they will use nukes if they are attacked
Waldoh@reddit
You understand this means nuclear holocaust right? You're saying Israel is willing to destroy the whole planet if they're attacked?
I thought that's what people said the irgc would do 🤔
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
yeah thats why i think they wont be
Waldoh@reddit
God damn it's like talking to a child
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
im not saying id support such an action, its just the reason why i think they are safe from attack
Waldoh@reddit
They aren't though, are they? The iron dome has been penetrated many hundreds of times at this point.
It's so bad that the USA moved it's only thaad system out of south Korea, now our other ally is unprotected
Annually that isn't even committing genocide is getting defensive weapons taken away to give to Israel. That doesn't fuck with you?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
I feel like you are misunderstanding what i am trying to say. The fact that they have nukes is what protects them, despite the fact that they are vulnerable to conventional attack.
Even if they did not have nukes, historical precedent has shown the the Israelis are able to fight multi state coalitions on their own and win conventionally. It really would not be that easy to take them out. Its true that there have ben some flashy videos of iron dome failings, but that does not seem to have affected their combat capability to much, so i would not put too much weight on it.
Waldoh@reddit
They can't win on their own in 2026.
It's not the same world when Iran has 80,000 shahed drones and missiles that can penetrate the iron dome.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
maybe, but i really just dont anyone conducting a successful ground operation on them
Waldoh@reddit
Israel is a very small country compared to Iran. You don't need boots on the ground there bro. You can just lock down their economy with rockets and shahed drones until all the dual citizens get sick of living in bomb shelters and leave on their own. The only reason this hasn't happened is daddy USA protects them
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Honestly you might be right, we will see what happens i guess
historicusXIII@reddit
They might stop invading/attacking other countries without US support though.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
yeah they might
sombrerobear@reddit
They absolutely do, Israel does not have near the manpower or resources to enforce their borders WHILE maintaining their belligerent positioning.
They may be able to defend their borders should they decide to become less vulgar in their desires for regional dominance.
Numbers simply aren’t on their side without a significantly larger backer propping them up, whether that be the US or Russia, etc.
Nukes are not a border securing weapon in this context, it’s a double suicide button.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
I beilive that the threat of nukes will keep them safe from invasion
historicusXIII@reddit
Israel isn't defending against an invasion, they are invading others. Big difference.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
yeah, but im saying that their nukes are what would keep them safe in a case where someone may want to invade them
Waldoh@reddit
Cool then they don't need a single cent of our American tax dollars or weapons, right? Their nukes protect them!
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Sure, but if they come under attack id support sending aid to them.
Waldoh@reddit
Why? That's their problem not ours. Would you support sending aid to Russia if they come under attack?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
We are a global superpower and they are our ally, its in our interest to have a western aligned power in the middle east with a modern military
Waldoh@reddit
Why? They're an apartheid regime committing genocide in Gaza, ethnic cleansing in the west bank and Lebanon, and dragged us into a way with Iran that's going to kill American servicemembers when they invade on Friday
Israel has free college and healthcare for its people, why should they get a dime of American taxpayer dollars when they can just cut services for its own people?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Have historically fought russian and now chinese influence in the middle east, and have tied up our biggest enemy in the region, Iran
Waldoh@reddit
A third of Israelis speak Russian, have you thought about why?
Ok dick Cheney it's time for bed grandpa
sombrerobear@reddit
That only works when its not your backyard.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
I still think it would work, nations are going to be naturally hesitant to attack a nuclear power
Ashenveiled@reddit
Pretty sure Israel is doing better then any arab country in the world.
WILDBO4R@reddit
Hahaha. They are certainly best at killing civilians. The only reason they still exist is because the US loves to back a genocide.
kaptainkooleio@reddit
You’re arguing with someone who has a Russia tag, I doubt they give a shit about civilian casualties or genocide
Ashenveiled@reddit
says american. how's native populations are doing?
kaptainkooleio@reddit
lol, you’re talking to said native. You can do better
Short-Recording587@reddit
What tribe and what percentage? Just curious.
kaptainkooleio@reddit
Yeah let me dm you my papers, just give me some time.
Short-Recording587@reddit
Don’t need your papers. Just curious what tribe and what percentage.
kaptainkooleio@reddit
Don’t worry buddy, I’ll upload and send them to you in a bit
Short-Recording587@reddit
Some people are proud of their heritage. You’re just being weird about it.
kaptainkooleio@reddit
Nah, actually I just don’t wanna share personal details about myself with some stranger who thinks they’re entitled to that information, believing it may be some sort of “gotcha” or hypocrisy.
Ashenveiled@reddit
So how is your population is doing?
IAmTheHappiest@reddit
Better than yours considering when you guys call a draft you make sure it's overwhelming minorities from the hinterland and not the precious slavs in Moscow/st Petersburg.
The amount of landlords that only rent to slavs is astonishing.
Ashenveiled@reddit
Why Irish answers?
Unlike ukraine, we didnt have a single wave of draft since 2022. cope harder.
South-Distribution54@reddit
Nah. Ya'll just tricked Africans into thinking theyre getting a different job and then throw them on the front lines. So different...
Ashenveiled@reddit
you should have tried to do the same in Arzah i guess. at least you would lose so pathetically and then blame it on russia.
South-Distribution54@reddit
Lol, hit a nerve did I? How is that "we're going to take Kiev in days" strategy going? A few years behind schedule I think. Isn't Russia supposed to be a super power or something? Yet ya'll can't even take a country on your literal border? You couldn't even defend your boy Assad from Turkish backed rebels with Bazukas. But OK, Armenia is pathetic because we weren't allowed to buy more weapons because we were in a defense pact with Russia and then Russia didn't do shit because it was too weak from the Ukrain war, but sure, it's totally not on Russia and ya'll have no responsibility for the defense treaties you sign. OK, sure.
Ashenveiled@reddit
Talking about hitting the nerve. Nice novel you wrote. Not gonna read it tho. I’m happy for you or sorry it happened.
South-Distribution54@reddit
Oh I guess it's true that Russians can't read. If a few sentences for you is a novel, im so sorry about your education. Good luck with all your wars and genocides!
Ashenveiled@reddit
My country’s education is still miles above yours. And we both know it.
Good luck with your bankruptcy! Maybe one day papa turkie lets you visit your national symbol that is somehow is not in your country.
South-Distribution54@reddit
oooh, we were looking for "hey genocide is wrong and my country shouldn't do that." Looks like your gonna have to try to defend your country on the next round! Thanks for playing!
Ashenveiled@reddit
no, we are basically in the same theme: armenians blame others on their failure.
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
Bro they’re still using USSR tanks it’s Mickey Mouse shit lmao
South-Distribution54@reddit
I guess they've come a long way since the Soviet days when they were using dental floss to keep their guns together.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
LMAO
discographyA@reddit
One death cult masquerading as a country recognizes the game of another death cult masquerading as a country.
Ashenveiled@reddit
change your drug dealer.
Ashenveiled@reddit
pretty sure your neighbors are far better in it.
WILDBO4R@reddit
Yes okay, also true.
ColeslawConsumer@reddit
I’m far from a fan of Israel but saying they’re fucked is wishful thinking at best
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
I’ve really enjoyed their reputation in the west sinking to the gutters
HockeyHocki@reddit
The cope is strong with this one
FederalSandwich1854@reddit
It is Israel's fault though
Firecracker048@reddit (OP)
The government of Lebanon doesn't agree with you
kaptainkooleio@reddit
The same government letting a foreign power invade their territory, allowing said foreign power to evicting their citizens from their homes and then allowing them to bomb said citizens? Sounds like a legit, totally-not-a-puppet government.
Firecracker048@reddit (OP)
Hezzbollah itself is a foreign power and has been an occupying forced for decades at this point.
I mean, I know your smart enough to know it's a war against Hezzbollah and not Lebanon. After all, this entire thing is because Hezzbollah is still below the Litani river against the UN mandate tossing rockets at Israel in support of their daddy
LEFT4Sp00ning@reddit
Ah yeah, it's a war against Hezbollah and not Lebanon, that's why Israel announced plans to occupy Lebanon up to the Litani river.
Because it is a war SOLELY AGAINST HEZBOLLAH and definitely not an excuse for unchecked territorial expansion. Don't piss on my eyes and tell me it's rain
HockeyHocki@reddit
Of course it's solely against Hezbollah. Every time Israel have gone into Lebanon the last 30 years has been solely because of Hezbollah. And every time they have pulled out. Maybe if Lebanon could stop Hezbollah firing rockets at neighboring countries you'd have a leg to stand on, they can't & they admit it themselves
sombrerobear@reddit
Remind me when and under what context Hezbollah formed?
HockeyHocki@reddit
You're talking more than 30 years ago, Palestinians terrorists fresh off the back of instigating civil war in Lebanon were launching attacks on Israel from the south. Same old story Israel were forced to deal with it when Lebanon wouldn't or couldn't.
The PLO were ultimately expelled from Lebanon but when the dust settled Iran had stepped in with the IRGC and fat stacks of cash to recruit the local populace, Hezbollah and the axis of resistance was born and simply took over where the PLO left off
Zipz@reddit
Oh the same river that Hezbollah wasn’t supposed to cross based on the last ceasefire ?
The same one they crossed and shot rockets from?
LEFT4Sp00ning@reddit
So the solution to Hezbollah breaking a UN resolution is breaking international law and illegally occupying 1/10th of Lebanon? Incredible. If you didn't have double standards, you'd have no standards at all
Firecracker048@reddit (OP)
You say this while ignoring hezzbollah started this current shit show lol unreal.
LEFT4Sp00ning@reddit
Definitely Hezbollah that started this and not Israel and the US's second war against Iran (while in the middle of negotiations) in the span of 1 year.
The multiple violations of the ceasefire with Lebanon (Israel has not stopped bombing Lebanon since the ceasefire, they just say all the buildings destroyed and people killed were all Hezbollah) surely did nothing to incite Hezbollah into attacking.
It's called blowback, shouldn't have started yet another war with Iran (while still bombing Gaza) if you didn't want to get attacked by an Iran-backed militia 🤷♂️
Firecracker048@reddit (OP)
Yeah Israel is somehow expected to be the only one obeying anything
Firecracker048@reddit (OP)
Oh man, Israel made a statement saying they are going to enforce the 06 UN mandate because no one else is? Odd how that is a point you guys just, ya know, gloss over as being the entire reason for this right now.
If Israel was so hell bent on territorial expansion, they wouldn't keep giving lands back they've conquered. So odd they keep doing that.
LEFT4Sp00ning@reddit
Oh, Israel has given back land, word? Weird how the buffer zone in Syria increased once Assad fell. Weird how the plans to fully annex the West Bank are further and further ahead. Weird how the Yellow line was moved further in to Gaza by Israel (while continuing daily bombings) during a ceasefire.
Also, the UN mandate is no Hezbollah south of the Litani river, not "Israeli occupied land they will not return (also, they're literally still occupying land in Lebanon to this day, Shebaa farms, so fuck off with this "we return land" bullshit).
Israel wants to occupy 1/10th of Lebanon and you're saying "this is fulfilling the UN mandate" when the UN has said they're against Israel taking further territory and consider their occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, the Golan Heights and Shebaa farms as illegal. You should be forced to give back every single USD you received for this shitty attempt at propaganda
Firecracker048@reddit (OP)
Yeah, kinda how they completely pulled out of Gaza in 2005, don't occupy Lebannon as some said they would have for years, gave back all Eygptian and Jordanian territory, Dont own like half of Syria or Lebannon like they could have in the 70s/80s.
Golan Heights are basically(if not fully) annexed at this point because no nation would let a foreign power hold not only fresh water hostage for their nation, but let them keep a spot they kept launching attacks from and shelling from.
I find it odd you leave out ALL of that in your arguments,
And again, you just completely ignore this mess right now is because Hezzbollah is STILL there and refuses to leave, causing the conflict over and over again. So please, give back that crypto to Iran.
LEFT4Sp00ning@reddit
Israel completely pulled out of Gaza in 05 (while maintaining a land, sea and air blockade, controlling everything that comes in and out (including people) while invading or bombing Gaza every few years to "mow the lawn", as Israeli politicians call it). Sure thing, homie.
You're clearly not just trying to manufacture consent for another US forever war in the middle east and further Israeli territorial expansion, nonono!
Firecracker048@reddit (OP)
And again you continue to ignore all the other times land and territory are given back and no occupied because it just doesn't work for your rehtoric. If Israel wanted more land and territory, it would have had it decades ago.
LEFT4Sp00ning@reddit
And again you continually avoid looking at the material reality on the ground and the Is0
pr0metheusssss@reddit
In case you’re not arguing in bad faith, or at least for the rest of the people reading this:
Hezbollah is a Lebanese militia, that rose as an armed resistance group after the Israeli invasion and occupation of Lebanon, and the installation of a collaborationist government.
Expecting such an organisation, whose raison d’être is resistance against Israel’s invasion, to give up arms while their country is rn actively bombed and invaded by Israel, is plain silly.
And yes, it’s well known they get support from Iran.
But imagine the following: after the WWII and the German invasion of France, Petain and the collaborationist Vichy regime remain in power. Would you expect de Gaulle and Free French to give up arms? If a short 30 years later, germany invaded again, would you call for Free France to give up arms and call them a “foreign power” because they received support from US and the allies?
That’s the proposition you’re suggesting for Hezbollah. Of course it’s all propaganda for you and you know it, but it’s still useful for Pepe not that familiar with the history of the region to get the full context.
Firecracker048@reddit (OP)
Initially, that's what they were, sure.
But very quickly theyve become an Iranian proxy army who's only purpose is to destroy Israel.
This argument makes no sense at all because not only do the analogies not work, but that would mean the French free army would need to be run by a foreign power (say USSR) and hostile to everyone else.
A better analogy would be the French free army lobbing missiles across the channel at England. Then told in a peace deal they need to stay out of Normandy and Brittany. They refuse and continue to fire rockets and missile at England in support of the USSR.
Yeah no. Again, the entire reason Israel is there is because Hezzbollah decided to fire rockets at Israel in support of their leader
Fyr5@reddit
I remember a lot of legit Iranian redditors explaining to me that they want to be liberated with US bombs. And now legit Lebanon redditors are saying they enjoy being liberated by US bombs too
The US and Israel must be doing a great job spreading freedom around the world, liberating all these countries with bombs
upbeatchief@reddit
You can hate hizbollah and Iran and still see that israel is the one that made Hamas the only group that can exist in Gaza, or become an impotent government like in The west bank that allow terrorist israelis to steal land without fighting back.
Ashenveiled@reddit
Do you condemn October 7 attack?
upbeatchief@reddit
Do you condemn the nakba, israeli terrorism in the west bank, the 82% of israeli supporting ethnic cleansing in gaza, or the israeli demanding occupation of syria and Lebanon.
Why is it only us being asked aboit who we condemned, israelis chant and cheer for rapists getting away with a rape using a knife and demand other condemned Hamas or other resistance groups when in reality no one else can keep the rapist terrorist away but them.
Ashenveiled@reddit
notice how you didnt answer the simple question and started with whataboutism.
upbeatchief@reddit
Of anyone says hamas is evil or condemn oct 7th them israelis bots wiol justbuse it to justify bombing a family's house because a hamas member walked in front of the house 3 days ago. The hamas powerplants needed to be bombed. The hamas wells were evil.
Somehow every water source in gaza was bombed because hamas and oct 7th, but israelis wont speak a word about terrorist in The west bank, condemned their occupation of syria, condemned their justice system that holds in Palestinians (none israeli citizens, i,e kidnapped from west bank) for years without trial. Or their government call for conquest of Lebanon or calls for greater Israel.
sombrerobear@reddit
Yet people of ur position literally never answer the question because ur central position as that those examples are fake and yours are real.
Meanwhile, i see public individuals effectively flogging themselves with condemnations before beginning any response defending Israel’s victims because they have to in every context.
Never condemnations out of the opposite camp except for the occasional reddit lib occasionally saying something like “whats happening with the west bank is just so unfortunate… BUT ISRAEL MUST OBLITERATE EVERY LAST SOUL IN ORDER TO SECURE THEIR LIEBENSRAUM, sorry i mean safety and security”
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
Ok
ArielRR@reddit
Funny how the people who claim others are bots and have terrible takes always have the hidden profile.
INB4 dumb excuses
yeltsin98@reddit
You’re the bot if you believe any actual human being with more than two braincells - at least on this subreddit - believes that Iran or Hezbollah have done any good for Lebanon. I’m open to standing corrected but appalled by the distorted, uninformed and generalising view so many ardent Zionists seem to have about Lebanon, its people and its supporters.
To put it in Internet terms, do u even Lebanon?
Ashenveiled@reddit
> You’re the bot if you believe any actual human being with more than two braincells - at least on this subreddit - believes that Iran or Hezbollah have done any good for Lebanon.
oh trust me. they do believe that. just try asking them about it - they never answer.
EndlessGooning_0@reddit
He refused to leave and Iran said they're gonna pretend like we never kicked him out.
That's just ridiculous. I hope they drag his ass out of the country.
ArielRR@reddit
Sounds just like the US in Iraq lmao
Redditthedog@reddit
The US did actually leave Iraq (twice) at the request of the gov. The forces currently there are at the request of the government for advisor and training vs the ISIS era forces which are gone
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
Hezbollah might sooner do that to the Lebanese so-called "government" (i.e. Israeli & Western sockpuppet collaborationist non-government non-entity).
What a tragedy that'd be. I'd have to search high and low for the world's tiniest violin, visible only by microscope.
Ok_Currency_617@reddit
Lebanon took in a bunch of Palestinian refugees that decided to reward their generosity by trying to genocide them all and implement an Islamic theocracy. The same thing they tried in Jordan and Egypt after being accepted as refugees there.
The pro-West government is the norm for most developed nations just like Turkey. Lebanon used to be a much richer and more developed nation until they were forced into a civil war against their own refugees.
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
What genocide and which theocracy are you referring to and attributing to Palestinian refugees based in Lebanon? Israel originally invaded to attack the PLO based in the country and install a puppet regime. The PLO was and is left-nationalist and secular, not trying to install any theocracy.
Are you confusing the PLO and the Palestinians generally (who do have Islamist parties and factions like other nationalities, but none were close to taking over Lebanon) with Hezbollah? The latter actually is theocratic, but definitely not Palestinian and entirely comprised of Lebanese citizens.
Ok_Currency_617@reddit
did palestinian refugees in lebanon try to overthrow government
Grok answer:
No, Palestinian refugees in Lebanon did not launch a direct attempt to overthrow the Lebanese government in a coup-style operation (unlike the PLO’s Black September 1970 challenge to Jordan’s monarchy, which led to their expulsion). However, the PLO—whose fighters were largely recruited from and operated out of Palestinian refugee camps—established a heavily armed “state within a state” in southern Lebanon and parts of Beirut. This created a parallel power structure that openly defied Lebanese sovereignty, clashed repeatedly with the Lebanese army, and played a central role in igniting and fighting the Lebanese Civil War (1975–1990) alongside Lebanese Muslim and leftist allies.
Key Historical Context
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
Man, insults aside, I'm well aware of the PLO insurgency and Lebanese Civil War and familiar with a fair bit of history of the region throughout this period in general.
My point was that it had nothing to do with genocide or theocracy. There were some instances of ethnoreligious/sectarian killings on all sides by multiple factions at different points in the war, including the Lebanese Christian Phalangists. There was no concerted effort to exterminate a group on the basis of their race, ethnicity, religion, or language and establishment of an Islamic theocracy was certainly not a PLO war aim (again, it's a secular nationalist organization).
Ok_Currency_617@reddit
There was no concerted effort to exterminate a group on the basis of their race, ethnicity, religion, or language
Back during the first time and second time Israel was invaded:
Abdul Rahman Azzam, the Arab League’s first secretary-general:
“I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre[10] or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine’s Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine … You might be surprised to learn that hundreds of Englishmen expressed their wish to volunteer in the Arab armies to fight the Jews...“This war will be distinguished by three serious matters. First—faith: as each fighter deems his death on behalf of Palestine as the shortest road to paradise; second, [the war] will be an opportunity for vast plunder. Third, it will be impossible to contain the zealous volunteers arriving from all corners of the world to avenge the martyrdom of the Palestine Arabs, and viewing the war as dignifying every Arab and every Muslim throughout the world …
https://www.meforum.org/middle-east-quarterly/azzam-genocide-threat
Nuri al-Said (Prime Minister of Iraq): “We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in.”
Matiel Mughannam (leader of the Arab Women’s Organization): “A Jewish state has no chance to survive now that the ‘Holy War’ has been declared. All the Jews will eventually be massacred.”
Haj Amin al-Husseini (Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and a key Arab Higher Committee figure) had broadcast explicit calls to “kill the Jews wherever you find them” during WWII from Nazi Germany. In 1948 he continued to support and incite the invasion with holy-war rhetoric calling for the destruction of the Zionist entity and its Jewish population, though his most graphic statements predate the invasion itself.
And to be clear, they've done their best to avoid saying they'll "genocide" them but everyone knows that's the plan. And there are several public statements from leaders across the middle eastern world saying so. Imagine the leader of NAATO saying they'd massacre the Muslims because you have the leader of the Arab league saying it's a war of extermination and massacre. And note, Israel won that war and didn't exterminate or massacre the people in victory like those same people planned to do with them.
SaneForCocoaPuffs@reddit
Neither genocide nor theocracy but they established a state within a state.
What they did was very much an illegal occupation. Through war they took half of Beirut and the entirety of south Lebanon, ironically much like what Israel did to Jerusalem in 48 and what Israel is doing now.
Kanuman07@reddit
He didn't say anything like that, stop putting word in his mouth
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
What on Earth are you talking about? It's quite literally the very first sentence of his post:
So I ask again, what are you talking about? I've put zero words in his or her mouth.
911roofer@reddit
Another civil war with Lebanese dead everywhere? While Israel is in a vicious mood? I knew Hezbollah were traitors but I didn’t think they were going to hand Lebanon to Israel on a silver platter.
ShootmansNC@reddit
Israel is murdering lebanese civilians and is talking aboutannex a part of Lebanon to enact their goals of a greater israel but apparently it's Iran and hezbollah that are the problem.
GameDoesntStop@reddit
If he won't leave, deport him to the Mediterranean.
lannisterloan@reddit
lmao I imagined everyone grabbed him on his limbs and legs and swing him a few times before hurling him out into the sea.
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
Nah he’s straight
mschuster91@reddit
Good. No matter what one thinks about Israel - there is no viable economic future for Lebanon as long as Hezbollah plays a state-in-state. It's the same in Bosnia, with everyone being too afraid and / or powerless to challenge the gridlock status quo of ethnic representation.
In Bosnia and Lebanon it has worked somewhat for years to keep open conflict from erupting, yes, but it's no longer sustainable. In Lebanon's case, it hasn't been sustainable at the very least with the Beirut port explosion that is suspected to have been caused by Hezbollah activities gone wrong.
BigPapaSlut@reddit
Hezbollah will be sanctioned by the government eventually. Despite appearances, Lebanon is a very bureaucratic country where things get done ‘eventually’.
I’m sorry this is not what you wanted to hear, but the government tends to move at a snail’s pace due to a lack of funds in the apparent embezzlement scheme from a few years prior.
Moreover, advanced weaponry is not allowed in Lebanon as some factions may use it as resistance against the southerners.
So, only time will bridge the gap.
Upper-Rub@reddit
Lebanon is currently being invaded by a neighbor who wants to ethnically cleanse their territory to make some lebensraum for settlers. Iran is helping the people resisting this.
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