My partner thinks i'm insane, but this is a steal? Right?

You know that you touch the German KWKG? owning a part wich is a controlled good under KWKG is illegal and you could end with a big penalty. Check this first in detail before buying.

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potatofamily25@reddit

Just be responsible with your money, if it's something you could resell one day, then why not. But if you plan on keeping it you better be able to eat the cost of it.

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Few_Carpenter_9185@reddit

Is it the one that shoots the little sub-caliber trajectory matched rocket, or a different model that fires some kind of actual tracer round?

If you get one, you need to talk to Wild Arms Research on Instagram or YouTube.

And his other projects are worth looking up, like his functional 3D printed four barrel M202 Flash replica that fired real knife-fin missiles using high power model rocket motors.

Right now, he's replicating "Project Swizzlestick." A very looooong 1" diameter rocket over a yard long, that if he can get the solid fuel core profile right, might get... to in excess of 5000 feet per second.

The original was going for much faster. Maybe as fast as 9000.

It was a very inexpensive low recoil project from the 1950's by Westinghouse defense, to replace 20mm autocannons.

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InitialLandscape@reddit (OP)

I think it's an inert training dummy.

I'm from Belgium myself, so i asked the German seller if the deactivation papers were valid in my country, and they told that there are no papers, as this thing was never capable of firing in the first place.

If it was a sub-caliber model, it would still require deactivation, or a firearms license for the sub-caliber ammunition.

Per the sellers description: It's HK made, with real Panzerfaust 3 parts and sights.

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Engelbert42@reddit

The handle and optics assembly can be used on live rounds, so that might be a legal issue. Better check with a local lawyer.

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InitialLandscape@reddit (OP)

Those have been deactivated, yet they told me that it doesn't have a deactivation certificate, because it's a complete training dummy...

Yeah, i'm starting to cool down on this idea... This is nice for someone who doesn't own guns, and just wants this hanging in their mancave.

But i do own guns, and ANY infringement on our gun laws means you lose EVERYTHING. And i think this thing sits in a very grey area.

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Engelbert42@reddit

I'm not sure how you can even deactivate them. The munition part (launch tube, warhead, etc.) is made as inert dummy to begin with, true, so there is nothing to deactivate.

But handle and optics assembly includes the trigger mechanism and a hammer that would impact the primer. In service the same assembly is used for dummies as well as live rounds, I've never heard of a training unit.

I guess you could weld the the hammer in place... Maybe it's a non issue, idk.

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InitialLandscape@reddit (OP)

Well... I literally just got an email that they were back in stock, and i couldn't help myself...

Had it sent to a friend's place and under his name. He's actually super excited about it lol. Once it arrives there, i'll take closer look myself and see if this thing is safe for me to own, or a legal headache.

My friend doesn't own guns, so if something were to be off about this thing legally, worst case scenario: They'll confiscate it, have it destroyed and send him the bill. Which i will pay.

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Few_Carpenter_9185@reddit

Ah. Makes sense.

Under American laws, it can vary wildly.

It might be a firearm if it shoots a tracer, and require all the usual paperwork for import or sale.

If it was a sub-caliber barrel firing a bullet, it could even be a 1934 National Firearms Act Short-Barreled Rifle, if the bore or sub-caliber adapter was shorter than 16" or 405mm.

If it fired a training rocket, it might be a 1934 National Firearms Act, Destructive Device, or... a non-firearm like a mostly unregulated flare gun if there's no actual source for the rockets.

I got a Czech RV85 that way about 17 years ago, $199 as a flare gun direct mail-order as the only thing that chambered, and was at all available were European 26.6mm flares, and not ant of the Czech tear gas darts or anything explosive.

I have a Zeiss-Ferro Z51 Gen 1 cascade night vision scope, it came with an HK panzerfaust mount adapter, along with the G3 claw mount & a STANAG adapter. I wonder if it's the right one.

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InitialLandscape@reddit (OP)

I've always had a soft spot for anything rocket launcher. Those early SMAW verions that had the built-in spotter rifles were so cool!

The cartridge they used is also crazy. It's a cartridge within a cartridge, and the action is primer-actuated, which is even cooler!

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Particular_Room_933@reddit

Does it fire a bullet cartridge?

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InitialLandscape@reddit (OP)

Nope, total inert dummy made with genuine HK parts and optics :)

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Engelbert42@reddit

Depends on the condition.

Given how banged up the ones I had in service were I have little hope for what they deemed worse enough to sell... But who knows, maybe it's some new-old stock that surfaced somewhere.

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