Won't trust it over my own eyeballs... Ever.

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BorisTheDogg@reddit

Got my license in '83 so 40+ years of checking my rear view and looking over my shoulder. It took quite a while to get used to using the reverse camera instead. But once it made clear that it was smarter than I was, I gave in.

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Cysteine_Chapel64@reddit

Yeah, guilty. I've been driving since the 90s and only had a car with the cameras and sensors since the early 2020s so old habits die hard. I still love the cameras and the proximity sensors. Especially since they can detect when someone's rushing in on the freeway. But I still turn my head anyways.

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Fulghn@reddit

Until I get cybernetic eyeballs that can record video that's admissible in court I'm sticking with my dashcams. Between the idiot delivery and service van drivers that do whatever they want and folks on their phones hands free or not I'll use every visual and sensor option I have available.

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WhompBiscuits@reddit

Got a backup camera and I did that just yesterday anyway. Saved me from an idiot flying down a parking lot lane. The cameras are there to help, not replace.

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klk999@reddit

These days I use every tool available, but the camera is used gauge the distance to whatever is behind me. I have never looked over my shoulder, my driver's ed teacher was adamant about that. That was reinforced at my first job, a delivery driver. The truck had a camper shell so the rearview mirror was useless.

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LonelyMachines@reddit

Heck, at my age I still turn the radio down so I can see better.

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ProfessionalResult54@reddit

Lol

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hobanwash1@reddit

At my age, I turn the radio up to mask my farts.

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GenXPowaah@reddit

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GuitarHeroInMyHead@reddit

The backup cameras are game changers...they see things you cannot. Not because you are human but because of your position in the car. I don't turn like that any longer, but I certainly still use the mirrors.

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DougieHowitzerMD@reddit

Mirrors all day long. WTF ever happened to driving a car yourself. Cameras parking sensors radar etc drive the fuckin car ffs And I’m old. I hate snowflakes.

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ProfessionalResult54@reddit

Know two different people that backed over their toddlers. I'll trust my eyes and the cameras.

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wilhammer069@reddit

I don’t do the turn to back in, I properly position my side mirrors and use them to back into parking spots. Been doing it since I got my licence. Oh, and I drove a delivery truck as a young man, so being able to back up was very important. Should be part of the driving test, that and parallel parking.

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DangitThatHurt@reddit

Yessir. Especially important with a trailer.

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wilhammer069@reddit

Absolutely! Backed so many items behind said vehicle that was a trailer. Will admit to a steep learning curve for a “B “ train that was two trailers in a rom. One 32’ and one 28’. That was a challenge to back up around the corner to get out of our yard.

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Redredwolf@reddit

What am I, a caveman? The cameras are g\*d d\*mned magic. I use mine all the time now.

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GuitarHeroInMyHead@reddit

100%...this is a Luddite take.

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PomegranateBoring826@reddit

100%. Eyeballs, side mirrors, rear view mirror. The very last thing I would check if at all is the camera.

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Low-Association586@reddit

Eyenalls > camera...anyday. Zero peripheral vision with cameras...and that's why there's so damn many close calls in parking lots.

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TraditionalBackspace@reddit

Not to mention distance distortion from the wide angle lens.

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BandsawBox@reddit

I use the mirrors.... arthritis won't let me do that anymore..

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mikeumm@reddit

I used my side mirrors. Used to have to park old and rare European cars in a tight warehouse at a place I worked. First time I was putting one away I got yelled out for turning around. It's easier to tell where all 4 corners of the vehicle are using the side mirrors.

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Crafty-Bass-3434@reddit

Only exercise my neck gets.

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StockHour389@reddit

I got my license in 1979 and have continuously shown that I can't back up into spaces. It doesn't matter if I turn around or use mirrors, I just can't do it. I admitted defeat many years ago.

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Plug_USMC@reddit

Trailer backup cameras are so worth investment! I always need camera.

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MiserableCancel8749@reddit

Just wait till you have senior aches and can't do that pivot without pain.

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Darktofu25@reddit

The magnification and fish eye lens are in no way as good as your own peepers.

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Due_Palpitation2197@reddit

Nah. The backup camera is amazing. Not wanting to leverage advanced technology to make our lives easier is just silly.

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Alternative_Sort_404@reddit

Winter renders them useless at times… still gotta know what to do

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Due_Palpitation2197@reddit

Not even close. I’m in MN and it’s awesome in winter. I can see the snow drift and down low below where I’d ever be able to see out the back window

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Alternative_Sort_404@reddit

Must depend on the vehicle and camera location 🤷‍♂️

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Aware-Owl4346@reddit

Right? And the new system with curved lines showing where the car will be aimed, it's incredibly reliable. And it can see below the bumper where your eyes can't.

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Da_full_monty@reddit

I use the old way when I start but love the camera to get really close to things...

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itscience_stupid@reddit

I got mine in '81, and I always use the back up camera. If you're drowning and someone throws you a rope, you grab it, right?

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Artistic-Gap-45@reddit

I looked backwards in an EV and it shut off bc my back end lifted off the seat.

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spotspam@reddit

I’m still getting used to mine bc it sucks AND my new car is read-wheel drive which I’m not used to. I LOVE the pens they put on top end dodge trucks where you can see your car as if from a drone above moving along curbs and hedges and cars. It’s eery how good those are. When all cars have them with a proximity detection all around, heck, I assume cars will park themselves then anyways.

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Flat_Cantaloupe645@reddit

Pens?

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spotspam@reddit

Some auto words got garbled. I fixed, & TU!

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Flat_Cantaloupe645@reddit

Thank you. I’m not familiar with that technology. Sounds incredibly helpful!

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spotspam@reddit

It’s AI making guesses with my thumb stabs on an iPhone, haha. I WISH it was something incredible. Mostly messes up. But otherwise I can’t spell even simple words. If I did that last sentence would look like: “but otherwise I camp spell event simlpe wods “ This started around iPhone 10. Before the keyboard just… worked way better and my stabs hit the correct letters.

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Flat_Cantaloupe645@reddit

I meant the technology that lets you see your car as though from a drone view 😉

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spotspam@reddit

Darn. Was looking for a solution… Yes, it’s off the hook! It’s like playing a video game, where you don’t have to guess if your car is hitting something. If you miss the bush, curb and other cars on the display, you are Golden! The car has cameras all over it to put this top-down image together. And the objects are real pics of them on what seems like a fake ground so you have contrast. Still seems like aliens landed and gave us new tech.

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Flat_Cantaloupe645@reddit

I would love that! I’m a terrible parker. My car is a 2016, and the newest car I’ve ever had. It’ll probably be my forever car (I’m old) and has the backup camera and object detectors on the sides, which are great, but what you describe would be even amazier! Do you need to pay a subscription fee to use it or unlock the doors or use the seat heat?

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FamousLetterhead8992@reddit

This is me, I got the habit from an old asinine boyfriend in high school and it rubbed off on me. While getting a new license in another state, the test guy said he was impressed with my reverse skills

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lady_tatterdemalion@reddit

I use back up cameras. I use technology in general. I use AI. I am curious about the world around me. I enjoy learning about ways we can lessen the impact of technology on the environment. I enjoy listening to real people talk about their lives, younger generations telling me be about their struggles and old people telling me about theirs. In general, I let people make the mistakes ahead of me with new technology but then I jump in with both feet. I learn a bit about how it works, why it works, and then use it to get the full understanding. It generation doesn't have to be held back by old habits. That's a choice.

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SFMattM@reddit

I've never done this. I always use my side mirror when backing in. It's much easier to align the car to one side of a parking space. When you turn your shoulders (like the guy in the image) you can't see either line

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CuriousFool88@reddit

Yes!! This is me. I tell kids, when backing up I want you turned around so much that your chin is touching your shoulder!

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daphatty@reddit

I use both my eyes and the camera. The camera is a tool.

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Aqua-Yeti@reddit

And the mirrors are necessary even when using a backup camera. Professional drivers are trained toto keep their eyes moving. Every 2 seconds alternate between the front and something else. Mirrors, gauges, camera monitors, to the sides…

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jaymz668@reddit

yeah, I don't get people who refuse to use they tools they have.

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PreferenceWorking166@reddit

Some people are the tools

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BitterPillPusher2@reddit

Of course. But if folks are just turning around like we did back in the day and as shown in the picture, they're not using the camera.

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bgroins@reddit

I don't use my eyes, I just feel around with my fingertips.

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Zombalepsy@reddit

That’s what I do. I use both.

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Rare-Boss2640@reddit

I use the camera to a certain extent, but I trust my mirrors and looking around more. As they say, “Trust, but verify.” I also don’t rely on gear indicators either, never have. I saw a post where someone was disappointed by something not lighted up and I’m just like “I would never notice.” It’s a feel thing just like you looking around is part of it… it’s how I learned and it’s what I trust

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scrappysmomma@reddit

If there is a backup camera, I use it. There are a fair number of cars on the road today without cameras, though, including one I have to drive occasionally. So I’m glad I have the skills to do it without a camera. (There is a whole tangent discussion here about when it’s appropriate to stop teaching a skill because modern tech means no one will never need to use it. Valid for both basic life skills and professional skills. But I digress…) I am more suspicious about the blind spot indicator on my side view mirror, because that depends on some sort of image analysis software which could glitch on me. So I always check the blind spot before changing lanes. Now, backing into a parking spot is a whole ‘nother argument. Unless you’re parallel parking, where backing is a necessary part of the process, of course. (Steps back with popcorn to watch ensuing debate).

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Oddly_Random5520@reddit

I got one a few years ago. It took me a while to get used to it but now I love the thing. I do always look as well but the backup camera is a god send when your backing up in tight spaces.

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Wacko_Banana_Pants@reddit

Just wait your side mirrors will be cameras soon

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Alternative_Sort_404@reddit

Corvette rear view mirror is a camera… noticed that in traffic a year or so ago

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Reason_Choice@reddit

Some cars already have cameras in the side mirrors that display to the instrument cluster in the dash.

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GrumpyOldMoose@reddit

Mirrors all the way for me. I drove Ambulances and we had to rely soley on out mirrors. Turning around in the seat did nothing. But, I.am a Dinosaur...

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Alternative_Sort_404@reddit

Same here - tow truck a while back and moving trucks… I also keep my side mirrors angled out to avoid blind spots on the highway (and less headlight glare at night). Teaching my son the same way

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mechele99@reddit

I just purchased a car with a back up camera. I’m trying to get used to it, lol.

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LasloEgri@reddit

My Tesla FSD does this perfectly

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Key-Cattle-2866@reddit

I always use the camera.

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Augusts_Mom@reddit

I am horrible at parking. I will park far away so I don’t hit anything. I cannot back into a spot or parallel park unless I can get an end spot going forwards. I would love a self parking vehicle.

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Silver_Daikon6974@reddit

Just to add to this my truck has front and rear parking sensors and it’s a dream to parallel park!

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Silver_Daikon6974@reddit

I get it, but to be honest I’m GenX and I’ve used the back up camera so long now when i get in my daughters jalopy to move it and go to back up im confused… almost like I forgot how mirrors work!

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EcolletteOB@reddit

Don’t trust the CAMERA!!

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FzzyCatz@reddit

I prefer using my trusty eyes and mirrors.

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Anach@reddit

TIL how many people can't use mirrors properly. This thread explains some things about how people park.

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mcpierceaim@reddit

It’s how I back out of my driveway every day.

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Tangletoe@reddit

Right. Backup camera looks like 5x speed. It's great for some stuff and saves the lives of young children, but is worthless for a long driveway.

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TrilliumHill@reddit

I have a curved driveway that's 800 feet long, it's almost a game to backup it with nothing but the camera. Having a giant display in the dash makes all the difference, those older 4 or 6 inch displays just don't show enough detail

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BasielBob@reddit

LOL. I use technology when it’s working well. My backup camera is working well. I can park without it, but it’s a lot easier to park using it.

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chanteleigh68@reddit

I use it in combination with my eyes and other senses. It's definitely a helpful aid.

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grandma-activities@reddit

Check the rearview, check the sideviews, glance at the camera, check the rearview again, turrrrrrrrrn around until your back cracks, go. My Boomer dad was in the car with me one time and I glanced at the backup camera for a millisecond. He snapped "don't rely on that thing" so sharply that for a moment, I forgot I was a middle-aged woman and not a small, misbehaving child.

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Bleys69@reddit

Wish I hade one! My range of motion isn't as good as it used to be.

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PreferenceWorking166@reddit

Sometimes my back feels weird and doing this in the car seems to straighten everything back up, often with a loud click which can be heard from a block away. But I do use the side mirrors a lot for reversing and sometimes the reversing camera.

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MinusGovernment@reddit

I don't have one on my car. If driving my wife's vehicle I will look at it to make sure there isn't something right behind the car that can't be seen with the mirrors before I turn my head around to back out.

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Tech27461@reddit

When I was teaching my kids to drive, I'd cover the screen with my hand and made them back into their spots. We are really good at backing up.

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No-Conference-3306@reddit

Cameras break or get dirty

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Aware-Owl4346@reddit

Seriously more than half the cars I've driven have busted back-up cameras, or they're covered with grimy oil. It's the least reliable part of the car. Those small cameras, they're in our phones and our laptops and front doorbells, they never last more than a year. Right?

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outlander779@reddit

I don't use the camera, nor do I look over my shoulder. I'm a black belt and backing up using only bubble mirrors. Including with a trailer.

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chiefhandshaker@reddit

Same. I have three mirrors. What would I need a camera for? Plus, how the hell does anyone know what is near the front corners of their car when they look over their shoulder like that?

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Bokononfoma@reddit

The camera is one thing I wish I had - I still drive my beloved 2006 Acura that will be buried beside me and my dog.

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Dismal_Estate9829@reddit

Im a ex truck driver in my 50’s. I never back up like that, that’s what mirrors are for.

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Emotional-Ocelot-309@reddit

Yes! I always have my dad’s (also a truck driver) voice in my head saying “use your mirrors, dammit!” When he was teaching me to drive he taught me not to turn my head like that.

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Jimmy-the-Knuckle@reddit

Cameras reduced backup accidents and deaths by 70/80%. Nothing to be proud of in avoiding the tech.

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John_Barnes@reddit

Using what’s available is generally good but there are two families of exceptions: 1) not using a new tool until you’ve really got it knocked and not having time to master it at this point in your life, and 2) newer ways are usually more failure prone for quite a while, and you’re still the one responsible if your favorite tech happens to be unavailable.

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Jimmy-the-Knuckle@reddit

Look, if you need time to master a backup camera, you should not be operating all the other components of a motor vehicle. And, I suppose it is possible but I have never heard of an accident caused by a failed backup camera. I have definitely heard of many, many cases where someone drove over a kid because they lacked a full perspective of what was happening behind them. All that said, yes, you should never rely strictly on tech if you can also use your eyeballs.

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Wacko_Banana_Pants@reddit

I'm ashamed at how much I've come to rely on it. Especially since I was such a great backer-upper back in the day

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greyhoundbuddy@reddit

I use the backup camera. I freely admit I have zero spatial judgment when backing into tight spaces, and the invention of the backup camera was a godsend for me. My brother, on the other hand, could jump into a car he never drove before, back it into a spot and stop with the rear bumper an inch away from the wall.

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In_My_Peace_N_Truth@reddit

This! I get yelled at all the time to use the camera. Don't need it. It's not as accurate as you may think. If you hate my driving, get out of my car and walk. Can you even get a car into that space in reverse? No. So shut up and leave me alone. Want to see a complete freak out? Go ask 100 drivers who are 30 or under to parallel park with no assistance of any kind.

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Savings-Delay-1075@reddit

I use dial up and just last week I used my horse and buggy to go to the dentist to have my wooden teeth re-aligned ... jesus christ, this sub ought to just go ahead and rename itself to boomer-light. There aren't any sane people afraid to use cameras...it's an almost 200 year old technology for crying out loud.

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Tridoc99@reddit

I use the camera and all mirrors because I’m GenX and my neck hurts😂

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BigBasset@reddit

The problem is rear windows are minuscule compared to the 80’s

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sane-asylum@reddit

I never do this anymore. I check my mirrors and then use the camera.

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mtngoat7@reddit

Some things are just better. Backup cameras are one of those things.

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jameson71@reddit

Even the camera says you need to check manually because it's field of view is miniscule.

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mtngoat7@reddit

My camera is a wider angle view on the sides compared to my side view mirrors or rear mirror. And I’m a photographer so I understand how wide angle lenses work. So it’s a great benefit in addition to the mirrors.

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jameson71@reddit

My eyes definitely have a much wider view angle when I put my arm behind the passenger seat like my driver’s ed instructor taught me 30 years ago.

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murrayhenson@reddit

The belt line on cars is far, far higher than it used to be. That’s why backup cameras came into being; you used to be able to see well enough out the back to reverse reliably. Obviously, I’ll look around through the windows as much as possible, but I also rely on the mirrors and cameras now.

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mtngoat7@reddit

I do check my mirrors but the camera offers a much wider angle view of the sides that my side mirrors do. And obviously below and behind me as well.

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murrayhenson@reddit

Yup! One place I occasionally park at has me parking nose in and backing out onto a usually-not-very-busy road. Our car has a feature where it will somehow sense that a car is coming from the side but isn’t yet in view of any of the cameras … and our car will emit a warning beep inside the cabin. Most of the time we don’t have to use this as we reverse into most parking spots, but occasionally it isn’t easy or feasible to do so.

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Brand023@reddit

100 percent. I trust myself backing into a spot with my camera more than pulling my truck directly into a parking spot.

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bgroins@reddit

I can't get my nostalgia dopamine hit with you around.

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mrquicknet@reddit

Personally, I add the backup camera to my toolbox. It's basically a wide angle mirror to help me see what's going on along with the other mirrors and direct viewing.

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gksmithlcw@reddit

Must be amazing to have reliable eyes... 😅😅😅

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These_System_9669@reddit

Back up camera always. I embrace new technology

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BradleyFerdBerfel@reddit

Yeah well, it's all fun and games until it stops working. And it WILL stop working,.....at some point.

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Lucky_Inspection_721@reddit

Not sure I'd want to turn around to see how close that thing was! Eyes on the road and both feet on the gas!

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KrofftSurvivor@reddit

I use the back-up camera, the rear view mirror, and my side mirrors. Each one gives me a piece of the view that none of the others do, so I'm not leaving any of it out.

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mikeymikeymikey1968@reddit

I use both my eyes and the camera. Licensed in '84

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At0mJack@reddit

Mirrors don't lie

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ThanksALotBud@reddit

Mine lie all the time. https://preview.redd.it/lz4priv70zqg1.jpeg?width=584&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f7ef8076d2ae3c411201ca9537bd11cf54d7039

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Cold-Pizza111@reddit

“Objects in mirror appear right where they are supposed to be”

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Magneto-Mark-1@reddit

I don’t even use the backup camera. Been driving a tractor trailer for 25 years. I only trust my eyes & mirrors

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cg325is@reddit

Nah- back up camera and 360 Birds Eye view on my car are quite reliable. I’ll stick with my cameras.

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TimMensch@reddit

Totally. No idea why all these Luddites think that looking over your shoulder is better.

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FamiliarAnt4043@reddit

Because cameras eventually fail? Because poor weather conditions can render cameras unusable? Because thinking people don't depend upon technology to do every last thing for them? As I said above - I'm not a Luddite. I've built every desktop system I've owned in the last 30 years and maintain our home network. I'm tech support for the entire family, from desktops to laptops to tablets and smartphones. I'm also smart enough to realize that tech breaks down and that rational humans shouldn't rely solely upon tech to think for them. As a matter of fact, my backup camera on my 2015 Expedition has taken a crap and is under recall. Apparently, I shouldn't be driving it because the little 4" screen isn't working, and we have to rely on tech these days to live, lol. My new-to-me 2024 Prius is the only other car with a backup camera we own. Three other vehicles don't have a camera, nor the fancy adaptive cruise control, lane change sensors, or any other new "safety" features. Despite such handicaps, my son - who drives a 2011 Silverado - can back up trailers like a pro...better than me, truth be told. My wife and I can parallel park the Expedition in downtown areas of large cities - and could do our Excursions, too. Hell, the only I use a rear camera is if I'm hooking a trailer up and that doesn't happen in the Prius. It's just tech, people. Our generation has grown up with it...but don't start letting it replace your brain.

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TimMensch@reddit

I guess your cars are mostly pretty old then? Or you're not in the US? > Since May 1, 2018, all new cars, SUVs, trucks, and vans under 10,000 pounds GVWR must include a rear visibility system (backup camera) as required under Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) 111. I haven't had a car without a rear camera for probably over 20 years. And I haven't had a rear camera fail in any car, though I have had them get covered in snow. Point is that it doesn't seem like a skill that needs to be on the driver's test. I'd rather they focus more on safety skills than whether someone can parallel park without a rear camera. I could probably come up with a dozen skills I'd rather see people demonstrate.

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efficaciousSloth@reddit

Even worse, I drive a manual car, and use my mirrors and my brain to reverse park or parallel park. It’s all instinct at this point, and I don’t want to lose that ability. I have a reverse camera but I ignore it. It’s also a nervous Nellie and starts frantically beeping before I even get close to anything. I’d say half the time I get valets who can’t park my car because they don’t know how to drive a geared car. And the rest of the time I get a delighted grin because they do know how to drive a manual but don’t get the chance often.

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TheDogelizer@reddit

Backup cameras saves lives. That's what they're there for, friend. Toddlers, confused people, and pets.

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efficaciousSloth@reddit

“Toddlers, confused people, and pets.” That’s three categories of drivers who really shouldn’t be behind the wheel at all!

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TheDogelizer@reddit

lol well, I meant those who could be behind you and can't see them through the mirror or by looking back. Complement those two actions with the rear camera and you cover all your bases. Unless you're joking in which case, it was funny :)

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Cop_Cuffs@reddit

When I moved my tip to the movers was to ask which of them knew how to drive a manual and let him drive my 6spd manual sports car to the new location in town while I followed. (So that I didn't need my girlfriend's help moving a second vehicle.)

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efficaciousSloth@reddit

Awesome!

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changed_later__@reddit

You let him move your car. I bet he would have preferred an actual tip.

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SerHerman@reddit

Why not use everything? When I'm backing up, if it's tight, I'm doing this as well as scanning mirrors and cameras.

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AKTamster907@reddit

What I do too.

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Tacotek@reddit

Yeah this is one of the those situations where it's awesome to be gen x. The cameras are great but if I gotta do it the old fashioned was it's no big deal. Like knowing manual even though automatic is the most common.

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Surfbrowser@reddit

I agree. I feel that if we knew back in Drivers Ed. that we were going to have vehicles that had cameras (to direct us in moving our cars), that they would have taught us to use everything and not rely solely upon technology.

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SerHerman@reddit

My daughter is taking her driver's test next week. She's not allowed to use the camera for the test (Ontario). For all of our practice driving, I place a sheet of paper over the screen.

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howtofwoosmom@reddit

the assholes who back into spots..which generation is that?

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infohippie@reddit

You mean the people who park *correctly*?

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howtofwoosmom@reddit

it's against the rules of most parking lots to do so. there is often a sign posted somewhere prohibiting assholes from doing this.

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infohippie@reddit

America being bizarro world again. In my country it is encouraged to reverse into a bay because you can see oncoming cars and pedestrians more easily when driving out of the bay rather than reversing. Plus it keeps the wheels that do the steering at the end where there's more room so it's overall actually easier to reverse in than to reverse out.

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hobanwash1@reddit

The highly skilled generation.

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LangdonAlg3r@reddit

Yup. The ones who don’t make a mess for everyone else when it’s time for them to leave.

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anothadaz@reddit

You shouldn't only rely on back up camera and mirrors if you are able to look over your shoulder

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Preppy_Hippie@reddit

Honestly I don’t understand how we managed before backup cameras.

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julianbhale@reddit

Vehicle designers nowadays don't concern themselves with things like rear visibility since there are backup cameras now. If you have an older car/truck it's much easier.

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MagnumPIsMoustache@reddit

I use the mirrors

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IKSLukara@reddit

The Accord I bought in '13 has a backup camera, and I learned to use both in tandem, couldn't imagine using just one or the other.

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John_Barnes@reddit

I was kind of wondering if someone would mention this. It takes a while to get used to constantly comparing all the mirrors plus the screen but once you get the hang of that, it’s faster and more confident than either by itself. (This is even truer for parallel parking, I found out eventually). YMMV I’m sure; if you’ve been successfully backing in 20’ trucks on just the mirrors, or sports cars on just the cameras, for years, there probably isn’t much improvement available from adding one more tool

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crp5591@reddit

I do the same, and can maneuver more quickly and efficiently as a result.

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Less-Occasion2161@reddit

I don’t believe everything I see on car TV

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megabite6d9@reddit

Mine just shows videos of people being ran over.

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discogenx@reddit

90’s but same. 😏

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polyblackcat@reddit

I love the backup camera, to each their own I guess

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joshhamwright@reddit

Fuck that camera.

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buddymoobs@reddit

Wait, y'all can still bend your neck like that?

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haleontology@reddit

It's not just me!!!!!!!!! I feel better now

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Asleep-Code1231@reddit

My Subaru back up camera works great. I glance in the rear view mirror when backing up but otherwise just use the camera

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Affectionate_Map2761@reddit

I've only used it once or twice. I don't mind it, but it's slower than me looking so I just turn

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L3ft2@reddit

In some countries it is the norm to back into parking spaces (e.g. Japan).

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warp10barrier@reddit

Fuck people who back into parking spots. Dumbest shit ever.

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L3ft2@reddit

In some countries it is the norm e.g. Japan, Korea.

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HBJones1056@reddit

In California, when you take the behind the wheel driving test, they make you cover up the backup camera to prove you can do it the neck-craning way. Do they do that in other states too?

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Excellent-Baseball-5@reddit

I think most states are this way. Driving instructors are looking for you to look out the back window when reversing a vehicle.

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Zeveroth1@reddit

Yes in Florida they do. How it should be. Don’t rely solely on cameras.

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K2TY@reddit

I absolutely love the all around cameras on my truck. They should be standard on all vehicles not just the backup cameras.

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mecengdvr@reddit

Yeah, me too. Sure I have years of driving and parking in tight spots without cameras…but now that I have them they are fantastic. The boomer posts are starting to get annoying on this sub. But I guess that’s to be expected.

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ancientastronaut2@reddit

My neck and body's turning radius aint what it used to be, so I use the camera. Took a minute to get used to, but now I like it.

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RoberttPaulsonn@reddit

well, people backing into spots annoy the hell out of me. takes them 10 minutes to do it.

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Laurpud@reddit

I back up with my mirrors, but I look at the camera to tell me when to stop

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Difficult-Low5891@reddit

Always! I will throw out my back before trusting those cameras! That twist is getting harder and harder. 🥳🤣

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Perfectly_i@reddit

Every. Damn. Time.

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Zeveroth1@reddit

Got mine mid ‘90s and I still do that as well.

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canstucky@reddit

The backup camera exists because people kept running over children that weren’t as tall as the trunk lid. It does not show everything and should not be relied upon exclusively when backing up.

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SBognerAnderson@reddit

Yes this.

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sparkleberry75@reddit

I’ve never turned my head around to back up. I learned to use my mirrors. I drive a 2005 Accord, so i don’t have a backup camera.

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reddity-mcredditface@reddit

I really hate that hammers were invented. I still bash nails in with my bare fists just to make a point. I've had twenty-seven painful surgeries, but I still won't give in to the hammer fad.

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Flat_6_Theory@reddit

My car is all early 80s tech, except the stereo. Credit for excellent visibility on all sides. Don’t think my wife’s big EV could be safely backed up without using the camera. Even with it you need to manually check the back quarters.

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Th1088@reddit

This was definitely me before like 2018. But the back up cameras have gotten so good, I finally gave in and started using them.

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BitterPillPusher2@reddit

Our generation needs to let this go. The cameras on your car are literally eyes on the back bumper. It is physically impossible for your actual eyes, that are 6 feet away with cars on both sides, can see as much or as well.

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Hello_Hangnail@reddit

Mine can see directly behind me but it can't see the car coming down the road that I can't see in the camera. Still good for not flattening the neighbor's dogs they refuse to leash

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BitterPillPusher2@reddit

Mine gives me a 180 degree view, so it can see the car coming down the road, long before I can see it. It will also warn me of the car coming down the road. And my car's a 2018, so not even all that new. The newer cars can see even more.

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NTSBusMan@reddit

Preach!

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app_generated_name@reddit

Peach!

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LojikSupreme@reddit

For real though! 👍🏾

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macphile@reddit

I use everything to one degree or another. I feel like there are things the camera doesn't show, but also things my eyes don't see, and the mirrors are showing some other things on top of it. I'm also not sure I'm allowed to rely on technology *legally*, as it were, or that I should. Like we hear of people driving into lakes because GPS told them to, or whatever...I don't think people should ever rely 100% on technology to do their thinking for them, and if they do and something goes wrong, it'll still be on them when it's time to face the music for it.

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omfgwhatever@reddit

If they're literally driving into a lake because the GPS said so, I say Darwinism applies there.

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RadiantCarpenter1498@reddit

I *hate* that I cannot safely see the rear of my wife’s car without using the backup camera.

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cerevant@reddit

Nah man, my neck can’t handle that shit any more.

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These-Educator-1959@reddit

My neck just doesn’t turn like that anymore. And the camera gives me specific warnings (yellow and red) for any hazards as I near them. I rely 95% on my cameras now.

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Desperate_Object_677@reddit

my car shows you where your wheels are, where they are projected to be based on your steering wheel’s positiom, and does it in infrared. i, uh, turn around less than i used to.

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Crzymk101@reddit

I drive a Tractor Trailer for a living and two of my cars had the backup csmeras ,I no longer have those cars.. I actually use my hazards when I back up in my personal car,I also check my tires and lights before I drive to work in the morning lol...

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Catfiche1970@reddit

We 100% use it on our truck for backing up to our travel trailer as it is spot on for that. I'd say otherwise it's glance and turn, to use both the camera and your bare eyeballs/corrective lenses.

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ElCaminoLady@reddit

I was just talking about this today! My sedan has a high back end/ blind spot.. Or just the case of a petite person driving a full size car.. so in a way it is helpful.. I still rely 99% on mirrors and looking around vs the camera though.

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aarkwilde@reddit

I don't trust the cameras. I've seen too many museum heist movies. Looking back was so ingrained that if I don't turn around and verify the way is clear I feel like I am committing a crime. And I have to keep craning my head around until I stop moving backwards. Safety first, I guess.

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ElCaminoLady@reddit

lol!

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omfgwhatever@reddit

I 100% use my camera. I have a much better view of what's behind me. The only time I have had problems is when it snows. I just walk behind my car and wipe off the camera on my way to get in. Perfect.

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CharlesKru@reddit

I used to be there with you.... Then I got a EQEV with 360 camera coverage... I swear I have never parked more perfectly in a spot, no matter how I go about it. I use the cameras 100% now, I still glance to make sure, but for real it is all cameras to give me a perfect birds eye view backing into a tight spot.

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JoeyKino@reddit

After driving a 30-year-old bare bones little pick-up since it was a 5-year-old little bare bones pick-up, I can't get over how awesome having a backup camera is. Backing out of parking spaces, especially- how did I avoid accidents for so long without it?

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justmisspellit@reddit

Hmm. But did you ever open your door while backing up to align yourself with the parking space’s lines?

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omfgwhatever@reddit

The lines show up very well on the camera.

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MrWolfTX@reddit (OP)

Have waited for this comment. Yes!

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thedog420@reddit

I completely rely on the back up and overhead cameras. Trust the technology, you trust it with your engine and collision sensors, why not trust it, its a camera, what's it gonna do lie to you? Also, I refuse to buy a car without a lane change sensor, it's a god send. Anything that saves your from taking your eyes from straight ahead is a safety feature.

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FamiliarAnt4043@reddit

Alternatively, you could learn situational awareness. While tech is great, it's not infallible. I don't want machines doing my thinking for me. Tools that assist are fine, but moat people will start relying on them instead of using their brain. Before the screams of "heretic" and "Luddite" start coming from the crowd - I'm the guy that has built every desktop he's owned for the last 30 years and maintains his own home network. I'm tech support for my family and even at work sometimes. So, it's not that I don't like tech, it's that I recognize it as a tool to be used...but not one to be replied upon completely. Situational awareness is a much better tool when driving than any lane change sensor, lol.

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DonnyDiddledIvanka@reddit

Just a counterpoint here, but my Toyota recently had a recall on the backup camera where the image would freeze and if you were backing straight up you might not realize it was not working until it was too late. I use both, especially in tighter situations.

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Bitter-Assignment464@reddit

I use the camera as well as my side mirrors. I have a truck with a cap on it so my rear view mirror is useless.

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West-Evening-8095@reddit

I use my backup camera 100% of the time, and I’m 73 years old. What you see is what you get. It’s not like it’s a movie where it might pause or lag behind. It is real life. If you see space between you and the next car that you’re backing up to, that means there’s a space there.

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Swifty-Dog@reddit

Counterpoint: My neck hurts.

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RedOctobyr@reddit

This. And frankly, the cameras give a better view than turning around. My last car had the spare tire on the trunk, partially boxing the rear window, you couldn't see anything that was down low. The car behind you when parallel parking? Basically invisible. The backup camera shows an unobstructed wide view, including down to the ground, if there is a ball or kid coming. And the magic "overhead" cameras show me, the lines, and the cars next to me, while backing into a spot. All while looking at the same thing, vs checking behind, then left, then right, and now something came in behind you. The mirrors are still good, but they simply can not show as much of the space around your car. Blind spots are a thing. Now, I will still turn and look before changing lanes, in addition to the mirrors.

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jimonlimon@reddit

I got my license in the 80s, but my head stopped turning very far in the 90s, so I mostly use the mirrors. Finally got a car with a camera three months ago. Now I use the camera but don’t trust it so also use the mirrors if it’s close on the sides.

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Lazy_Negotiation4133@reddit

That’s exactly how it’s supposed to be used, in conjunction with the mirrors. I think of it as a fourth mirror with a different angle.

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Shaved_taint@reddit

What is this boomer shit? We're the generation that knows how to use our mirrors but also understand that the cameras work just as well (if not better).

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ONROSREPUS@reddit

I don't have an automobile with one in it. My wife's car has one but I never remember to use it because I am not use to having one.

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Sasselhoff@reddit

I have an older car that only has the rear camera...for the *longest* time, I didn't trust it and would do what OP is suggesting. Now when I get into my other car without a backup camera, I feel lost for a second...then the GenX kicks in and I'm good.

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SignificantLock1037@reddit

You . . . have mirrors.

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Dazzling_Ad_2072@reddit

Driver's Ed taught me to look over my shoulder. Then my dad said "Now you're going to learn to back up the right way, using mirrors".

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SignificantLock1037@reddit

Your dad is a smart cookie!

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Tecumseh119@reddit

People only staring at the screen to back up is insanely unsafe.

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theBADinfluence2015@reddit

Many times I've witnessed near misses because the person backing is only looking at their camera view. Not one glance over a shoulder or in a mirror.

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President_Camacho@reddit

I wonder what the proper method is. What priority should the camera have in the backup process?

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Tecumseh119@reddit

Knowing final distances to bumpers or curbs. So like 10-20%

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RealCrazySwordGirl@reddit

I taught my 20-year-old to drive and she uses this method. I'm pretty sure she sees the superiority of it over the camera, but she also said that for the driver's test they covered the view screen so she was very glad she learned from me how to look over the shoulder when backing! Let's hear it for Gen X, we're not irrelevant even though everyone treats us as if we were! 😆

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TimMensch@reddit

All new cars have that camera though. Why would they block it in the test?

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RealCrazySwordGirl@reddit

Idk maybe they want to see if you know how to do it safely without, just in case something ever happened with the camera? I really don't know. But i know that on my car, the camera is often blocked with dirt, snow, whatever lol, so it's good to know how to do it the "old fashioned" way 😆

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my_work_id@reddit

luddite

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SirStocksAlott@reddit

Is that Joey Fatone from *NSYNC?

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DumbScotus@reddit

It’s Guy Fieri. I don’t know if you guys knew this, but Guy Fieri was created when a demo ate Joey Fatone and Lance Bass, and took in both of their attributes - plus an undying hunger. True story.

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MrRetrdO@reddit

I was always too short to be able to see over or around the seats, so I relied on the side mirrors. Rear View cameras became a god send to me.

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DumbScotus@reddit

I did it fir the longest time, but my new car has crap visibility. Like the designers knew there would be a camera and built the car with that in mind So I end up using the camera a lot, especially when parallel parking, and it makes it so easy, I can be so precise, that I walk away every time with the feeling that I was cheating…

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EvilDan69@reddit

I still back up like this, but I also use my mirrors, like I was advised, and the 3 cameras in my vehicle. 2 are visible from my rear view mirror.. wihch has 2 of the cameras linked to and becomes a large screen with the press of a button. That one has a very wide view and does better than mirrors when the screen is on.

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External-Example-323@reddit

I feel called out! 🤣🤣 I always hear "you know you have a backup camera..."

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Dirtnap76@reddit

I drive a van, so i need to drive on my mirrors and back up camera.

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Grigori_the_Lemur@reddit

I realize cams are good but...

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giggity_giggity@reddit

Yeah … my back don’t twist like that anymore. Camera it is.

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Nisi-Marie@reddit

I worked as a DMV concierge for a while. My job was to help prepare people for their behind the wheel test. In California, you are required to look over your shoulder for reversing and for Lane changes. They will actually cover your back up camera to ensure that you were looking over your shoulder.

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InadmissibleHug@reddit

I like the camera, but can work without it. I have literally never reversed with my hand over the seat, though.

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LeeKinanus@reddit

I only find it really helpful when backing a trailer. I can guide it so much easier than a camera.

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InadmissibleHug@reddit

I have never been able back a trailer so that’s academic lol

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Unusual-Doubt@reddit

I used to. But these days the effing rear glass is so small and you can’t see sh1t. I love the 360 Birds Eye view. That and the beep beep beep.

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RealCrazySwordGirl@reddit

Except at least on my car the Birds Eye View is just a composite of the cameras with a fake car icon in the middle. Does not inspire a heckuva lotta confidence in the representation of the actual surroundings 🙁🤷🏼‍♀️

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ConsciousChicken1249@reddit

Camera doesn’t always address a blind spot

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DamageRocket@reddit

That’s not an age related bias, that’s wisdom from being in touch with reality. The one advantage of our generation is we still know what irl means because we are not buying into the myth of infallible technology.

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SplatThaCat@reddit

Perspective on the cameras sucks I find.

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Top_Company_8750@reddit

If my neck still turned to that degree I would but I accept that someone may hit me at some point.

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abcepeda@reddit

backup cameras were not a thing until the 2010s, it feels like they've been around forever but it's only been a decade.

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jimonlimon@reddit

In my household, they’ve only existed for three months.

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Merkenfighter@reddit

No thanks. I use mirrors.

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RippingLegos__@reddit

Had to learn how to back up tripples on a mint chopper when I was 16, tractor to chopper and fifth wheel to the trailer, down narrow curving windrows using a JD 6450 awd tractor, I do this or mirrors.

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theHollowTarnished@reddit

I got my license in 96. Im the last of us, but yeah...I do that too.

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dubgeek@reddit

It's SO hard to trust the camera. I find it a lot easier when there's a simulated overhead view.

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OwnRaise3936@reddit

Yup

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Taptrick@reddit

My backup camera is always filthy. And the depth perception is not great.

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bankrobba@reddit

Get into a self driving car and have it back into a spot on its own, you'll change your mind immediately.

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gr00veadelic@reddit

I am old, my neck doesn’t turn like that anymore! I had an old model mini cooper (not even an S) with a stick shift, and no extras. No back up camera, no Bluetooth, no cruise, no nothing! It finally blew chunks in the engine @ 150k+ mileage. I bought a newer car, not ‘new’ as who can afford those! The newer car is a 2019, automatic, back up camera, adaptive cruise, lane assist, hell I cant drive it without something rumbling, beeping or flashing! Took me a month to learn how to drive all over again…. Ya I got my license in 82!

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letermen@reddit

…and turn the radio down while you’re at it…

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Major_Priority1041@reddit

I still do the door popped open to really snug into the lines.

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Hello_Hangnail@reddit

My proximity alarm blips at me when there's nothing around 👻

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SunshynePower@reddit

Mine dings at something on the other side of a divided highway

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SThayer68@reddit

Meh. I don't have a car new enough to have cameras. Also, fuck you screens. Give me knobs. Now get off my lawn!

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Hello_Hangnail@reddit

Totally. I had to go a year and a half with my driver's side window stuck halfway down because of that garbage and had no money to fix it. Had to drive around looking like a getaway driver with a balaclava on when the temperature hit -15

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Rasputin_mad_monk@reddit

I’m with you on the knobs but the backup cameras are the shit man. I’m 56 and I love them. I have a 2013 or 2014 Barn car“ that we use at The Barn it does not have a backup camera and I hate backing up.

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SThayer68@reddit

TBH the wife's car has a camera. I might use it to know how close I am to something, but not very often. But, I grew up towing trailers. I can back a trailer into some tight spots. Backing up with no trailer is easy

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805CryptoServices@reddit

TBH we do have one car with a backup camera, and occasionally I use it to know when to stop. But I grew up towing trailers. I can back a trailer into some tight spots on the first try. Backing up a vehicle without a trailer is easy at this point.

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ku_78@reddit

My neck struggles to turn that much now

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Kindly-Might-1879@reddit

I back into spots and do it far from a store entrance so it’s less crowded and I don’t hold anyone up. I use my camera regularly but yes, there’s a different and nostalgic level of comfort backing up using only my own eyes.

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SemperFudge123@reddit

When I got my first vehicle with a backup cam a few years ago I thought there would be no way I'd ever use it and it would be way too disorienting. I was surprised how wrong I was! I back into my garage and have to make a tight 90° turn with a long-ish truck to get in there and the backup cam made it so much easier than relying on my mirrors or eyeballing it.

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blooobolt@reddit

I back into spots 100 percent but I use my side mirrors more than anything else.

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Amazing_Actuary_5241@reddit

I backup using my mirrors because I drove a farm truck (F350) that had a tall bed and the rear window was blocked completely. So looking back was only possible in the tractor.

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marshallkrich@reddit

Drive an 18 wheeler, same.

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hobanwash1@reddit

Same? Really? Okay

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marshallkrich@reddit

No rear view, can use mirrors to back. You're right 18 wheeler is harder to do. Especially specialty hauling backing.

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hobanwash1@reddit

Yeah a bit more skill involved. Tip my hat to you sir.

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Don_Pickleball@reddit

Can't relate. I exclusively use the backup camera these days.

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LangdonAlg3r@reddit

I exclusively use the blind spot detection now, but I still use the backup camera as an add on.

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onestoicduck@reddit

Same. I can do it just fine without, but it's so easy with the camera. Why would I?

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Fudloe@reddit

Same. I don't think a screen you need to watch should be in a car you need to drive. Call me crazy, but that seems, I dunno... londa stupid.

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LangdonAlg3r@reddit

I’ve adopted a hybrid approach. I start out looking over my shoulder as I’m rounding into a space and then I use the camera to line the car up perfectly straight. It would be an absolute nightmare getting into my garage without that thing. There are about 3” of clearance between the bumper and the garage door. I have a vertical mark on the back wall to line up left to right and I line up the red guide mark on the backup camera to the center of the bottom step into the house—perfect every time. I line up perfectly equidistant between the lines in parking lots every time too. I use it as an assistant and not a replacement for the skills I already have.

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Fudloe@reddit

I can see that being useful if you can adjust to the camera's image. But I find them disorienting due to the odd perspective and fisheye lens effect. I just don't find a camera to be as accurate a view as simply turning around. Sure wish they were an extra, not standard. I hate paying for something I'll never use. That's why I don't own a treadmill.

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LangdonAlg3r@reddit

It took me a long time to adjust to turning the wheel the correct way while using one, since you turn the wheel one way while moving forward and the opposite way while moving backwards. It was brain breaking at first to try to face forward and not turn the wheel like I was moving forwards. A lot of cars have overhead views now. That’s what I use in parking spaces. But in the garage I know exactly where the guide marks are supposed to line up, so that’s easy. But I totally understand what you mean by the fisheye. It kinda depends on how fancy the car is. Ours isn’t super fancy, but it’s a Toyota and we got the “platinum” package with all the bells and whistles because it was the first new car we’d bought in like 15 years and we were upgrading from analog everything so it was exciting to get all the things. The heads up display is what sold me on the fancy package and it was worth every penny. It projects my speed onto the windshield and it scans all the road signs so I always have the speed limit and my actual speed directly in front of me without ever having to look down. But every once in a while I’ve had to drive my dad’s truck and trying to navigate the fisheye on that is a nightmare.

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Fudloe@reddit

I'll just turn around.

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AbraxasMayhem@reddit

I always back into spots. I use my camera and my own eyes technology is a helpful aid.

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PaddleMonkey@reddit

Cameras are tools, if they break you still need basic skills and experience to rely up on.

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MrSurly@reddit

Fuck this; my backup camera can see a much wider view than I can out the back window.

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KennstduIngo@reddit

Yeah, I usually prefer to not pull through or back into a spot because with the fish eye view I can see up and down the lane before I even start backing out. If my sedan is parked between two SUVs and I have to pull forward, I have to get my nose several feet out into the lane before I can see anything coming from the left.

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GenXist@reddit

Right?!? With all due respect to OP, I'm sitting here thinking that neither eye one nor eye two are *nearly* as reliable as they once were (and that's with the assistance of corrective lenses). I'm in NO position to turn down the assisting technology I've paid for - especially since they haven't made it contingent upon a monthly subscription (yet).

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ispshadow@reddit

I don't back into spots (like a Walmart/Target) because then everybody in the lane both directions has to wait for me to finish what I'm doing. No matter how good you are at backing up, you're not parking as fast as someone just pulling in forwards. You have to pull forward, change gears, reverse, put the car in the spot the way you want. I just turn and stop where I'm good. I know you'll say it's safer because when you leave you just drive away. I get it. I really do. I just wait until the lane is completely clear so I don't have to worry about traffic. My rear camera handles that job really well and I don't like forcing other people to wait on me. They have things to do too.

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kten1974@reddit

Still do to this day out of habit. The smarts is nice though to see nothing behind car before starting to back up and then look back while reversing lol.

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BelliBlast35@reddit

You probably had those wire whiskers on your car didn’t you 🤣😆

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hobanwash1@reddit

You guys have back up cameras?

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jgray6000@reddit

Dickheads who back into parking spots can fuck all the way off

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gishnon@reddit

Can you explain why people backing into parking spots is a problem?

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jgray6000@reddit

Because they hold everything up by swinging over to one side, then slowly inching their way back, then pulling forward again, then back, then forward, then back. And I know, everyone on here taking offense to this can do it in one smooth motion and it takes 2 seconds total. But that’s not how it works in real life, it takes forever. Then people who have backed in and are now obstructed by larger vehicles, pull straight out and damn near hit you because there’s no reverse lights letting you know someone is attempting to pull out. And then there’s the people who justify taking 10 fucking minutes to back into a spot by saying it’s so much faster to leave. I just wonder what you’re doing at Costco on a Wednesday that requires such a quick getaway Dom Toretto. There is no valid point to it if you’re not doing it for loading or unloading a truck or something. Anyone doing it in the Applebees parking lot is just a selfish dickhead who craves attention.

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hobanwash1@reddit

Sorry we didn’t realize you were needed in surgery.

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gishnon@reddit

Huh

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MartinMcFly55@reddit

I work construction. I've asked this question of the 75% of guy who back into parking spots: Why? Nobody really knows. Some think its an advantage to leave in a hurry, like in a movie, they'll need a quick escape. Most do it because the other guy did.

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mustang-and-a-truck@reddit

I do it in my truck (in tight places) because reverse is more maneuverable. Think about it like this, you get the tail into the area that it needs to be in, then you swing the front end of the truck around so that you have a straight line. Of course, that makes the reverse true so getting out can be harder.

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MartinMcFly55@reddit

Now this a practical reasoning, if its easier or more comfortable, it makes sense.

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filburt99@reddit

With all the bullshit going on at construction sites it's nice at the end of the day to just be able to drive away without having to think about it especially when your tired and just want to get home

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MartinMcFly55@reddit

I get that, at the end of a workday you can be absolutely finished using your body and mind, and just want to autopilot. I'm on neither side, if it makes it easier to get the fuck home..I'll back in.

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ScrewDriver750@reddit

Those that can, do.

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ridbax@reddit

I started backing into parking spots after several close calls with other drivers who mistook parking lots for a GTA level. Now I can see them when I'm preparing to leave even if they aren't paying attention to me.

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Zealousideal_Ad642@reddit

Gangster style parking is the best. Makes for a quick getaway and you're not reversing into a lane/area where people are driving along not looking where they're going (either eyes on their phone or looking for a parking spot themselves)

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PitoChueco@reddit

Why? Working in plants where quick exit is enforced has me in the habit of always backing into parking spots. What about that bothers you?

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Sore_Wa_Himitsu_Desu@reddit

Nah. Generally don’t back in anyway. But I use my camera when I do.

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jornadamogollon@reddit

Backing into spots is for fearful people.

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MrSurly@reddit

Huh?

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TheCenterOfEnnui@reddit

I use the camera. I have no problem w/ using new tech. I'll still check my mirrors, but I ain't twisting around 130 degrees when I can just side-eye the mirrors and use the backup camera.

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Abzstrak@reddit

This, anyone not trusting a camera is as moron

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Affectionate-Copy-27@reddit

I got my license in the '70s, but my neck vertebrae were made in the '50s, so I use the camera all the time.

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Street-Egg-2305@reddit

When they first came out, I was really hesitant on using them. I dont turn around to park, I always use my mirrors, and the camera has just became another tool I look at, along with all my other mirrors.

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Chief7064@reddit

GenX the new boomers.

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GenXPowaah@reddit

![gif](giphy|7T8NmIA0q9oaQKUu5f)

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OreoSpeedwaggon@reddit

Not all of Gen-X, but there is definitely a Boomerish subcohort.

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CaregiverNo1229@reddit

I love backup cameras ! You will too when you get way older and can’t turn your head!

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detuneme@reddit

How old do you think we are?

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CaregiverNo1229@reddit

Not as old as me. 78

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roadbikemadman@reddit

Real men use the mirrors.

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marshallkrich@reddit

![gif](giphy|cmIPhx3ZC0E5n4pFzW)

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BrucellaD666@reddit

I use both, because that camera is not very clear sometimes.

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sleebus_jones@reddit

Heeeeeel naw. I use the camera all the time. It's amazing. I can thread the needle with multiple direction changes. So much better than cranking yer nek. I ain't no damn luddite

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AryuOcay@reddit

Illinois requires you back up without using the camera so both of my kids learned this. They have noted that the camera provides a much better view.

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elphaba00@reddit

My oldest got his IL driver’s license a couple of years ago. He said when he was in driver’s ed, his teacher told them not to look at the camera. They lost points during the driving test if they looked

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CincyLog@reddit

Stupid technology. Always improving ease of life. I think we should go back to using horses to get around and making our own clothes and get rid of air conditioning

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Outrageous-Many-2928@reddit

You had me until getting rid of air conditioning.

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CincyLog@reddit

In a house full of people with allergies, AC is a must

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CincyLog@reddit

I just back up until it sounds expensive

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OreoSpeedwaggon@reddit

I do both because I'm from a generation that isn't afraid to adapt to new technology. Looking over your shoulder AND trusting the backup camera view too is the ultimate Gen-X flex.

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Miguelitosd@reddit

Yep.. and if you have a 360 overhead view system (like I do, now) it's even better.

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Workamania@reddit

Gen X should not be like the Boomers. We learned how to use technology. I AIN’T EVER GONNA STOP USING THE REAR CAMERA!!!

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Outrageous-Many-2928@reddit

I practice the old ways because I’m not going to replace that $1,200 camera when it stops working.

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claudiousmax@reddit

I always have used and always will use my side mirrors and rearview mirror. Now that I have a backup camera I use it only for the last foot. I used to drive a Jeep and it really screwed me up when I took the doors off and didn't have the side mirrors.

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focal_m3@reddit

Your head not turn? ![gif](giphy|fc6Ekgcmn8WAkKtgqi|downsized)

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ProBuyer810-3345045@reddit

Yeah I use my mirrors primarily, the only thing my backup camera is good for is knowing how close the car is behind me that I’m backing up against

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beardingmesoftly@reddit

This was also true in 2002

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Icy_Presence_2918@reddit

*90’s, but absolutely. Same. Low stakes? I use the backup camera. But for high stakes situations, I turn around and look myself.

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WasASailorThen@reddit

Nope. I'll never get another car without a backup camara. My car has an around projection which tells me where I am in the space. Parking is not a skill. It's a task.

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xrobertcmx@reddit

I did this today. And every morning when I leave for work.

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GronkDaSlayer@reddit

Some cars don't give you the option unfortunately

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SignificantTransient@reddit

Yeah , sorry, but they gonna need to put a much bigger screen in there if they want me to use it.

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freakrocker@reddit

To hell with that, I’m half blind now. That camera be saving y’all’s cars from me.

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Not_Buying@reddit

Fuck that. I don’t need a shoulder sprain.

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Opposite-Funny-9669@reddit

i've started using the camera for lane changes, but i still use the mirror to back in.. now i understand why my grandparents were so weird.

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timmspinn@reddit

This one hit home. Growing up in Chicago (in the actual city), I perfected parallel parking in no time. I once parallel parked a 15-passenger van WITH A TRAILER on an incline, in a space it could barely fit in Los Angeles. The people I was with couldn't believe it. On that note, f*ck that rear camera.

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Jonnyflash80@reddit

The camera in all my vehicles is always covered in salt or mud.

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scottvf@reddit

Camera way easier and no more neck kinks 🤣

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pretti@reddit

I'm so grateful we don't have to backup like that anymore. Cameras are QoL.

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Ok_Mammoth5292@reddit

My last car was a Veloster. First car I've ever had that *needed* the backup cam.

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FunSwitch7400@reddit

As a person with a cdl, looking behind like thar is something I did as a child. I have driven ambulances, tractors, busses, fire engines, and panel vans and the rear window isn't an option so the introduction of cameras was awesome but mirrors are still necessary.

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GrandPriapus@reddit

What? I love the backup camera!

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the3litemonkey@reddit

My Dad does the same thing....he's an idiot when it comes to that.....I was born in '72. I will always use the camera.

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Smoking_In_The_90s@reddit

1. Over the shoulder initial look. 2. Mirrors(side and rear view) while backing in. 3. Camera to see how close I am to chocks, wall, bushes, etc…

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Awe3@reddit

I love my backup camera!

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9inez@reddit

No one said it’s one or the other. It just isn’t that hard to leverage a tool that can see where you cannot, along with your eyes. I also use power tools, cruise control, a calculator, and a garage door opener instead of doing all those things manually.

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pasquamish@reddit

No way. Team camera forever now. I can get a car within an inch of the wall in parking decks with that thing. Without it, I’m going up another level to find the double empty spots.

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ledow@reddit

Backup cameras are a useful tool but absolutely no substitute for your eyes taking in the entire larger scene. No back up camera is going to see a kid on a bike, scooter or running in from the side until they're literally already behind your car. There's a reason that I've promised to buy my daughter her first car. On the condition that it's not an automatic, no gadgets, no voice crap, no backup cameras, no lane control, no blind-spot indicators, etc. You can buy all that once you've been driving for a while, they're driving aids. But they are absolutely NO substitute to being in the habit of looking where you're going and being comfortably in control of the entire vehicle. And, yes, you'll learn manual first. Because if you can drive manual, with the extra coordination and brain-processing required to do so, then you'll be able to drive anything AND you'll have spare brain capacity when you do so.

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President_Camacho@reddit

That's going to be an old car. Backup cameras have been required since 2018.

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ledow@reddit

You think I'm buying a new car for a learner drive?

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President_Camacho@reddit

Probably not, though newer cars are safer. It's a tough calculation. Newer drivers get into accidents more, so have more need of the safety equipment of a newer car. But newer cars are more expensive.

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Opposite-Mushroom940@reddit

Moronic post. You should get her a horse. She doesn’t need fancy combustion engines.

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MrWolfTX@reddit (OP)

Love this!!

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luluislulu2520@reddit

So true! I can’t get my bearings straight without looking over my shoulder.

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BigDaddyCandy99@reddit

Funny .

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Odd_Tie772@reddit

I'm 60 and use the camera

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t0msie@reddit

Camera is goated when backing up to hook up a trailer.

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jljue@reddit

I turn, use mirrors, and use the rear/AVM camera. My frame of reference is still based on looking around, although I do like having steering angle turn lines help guide me into spaces.

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Old_Fart68@reddit

OMG....SO me. Fuck that camera.

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qpv@reddit

I've never had a camera except for rental cars. I didn't use it on the rentals out of habit. They are cool though

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Zip668@reddit

I backed straight into a tree branch that wasn't visible in the camera. I still use the camera.

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President_Camacho@reddit

When I was younger, I always like the deep lower back stretch from twisting around. Now I don't twist so much. The rear window is so tiny and high in modern cars anyway. The camera is a much better view of what is directly behind the car.

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reddity-mcredditface@reddit

I disagree with this. I have a car with blind spots, a bad neck, and 360° cameras. Living in the future has made my life *much* easier.

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chilebuzz@reddit

I get it, but ALWAYS use your reverse camera. Before they became a thing, it was not unusual for small kids to be killed when a big SUV or pickup backed over them.

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President_Camacho@reddit

Cars used to be lower to the ground with bigger windows. Now they're all SUV's with tiny porthole windows. I can see why the camera is necessary nowadays.

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Mark_Underscore@reddit

This! Anyone who thinks he can see better by looking through the rear window ALONE is an idiot TBH.

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madogvelkor@reddit

I just don't back into spots. I drive a sedan and can't see when driving forward from a spot thanks to the giant SUVs and Trucks. Much safer to back out with my wide angle backup camera and proximity warnings.

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reddity-mcredditface@reddit

If you had 360° cameras you could drive out into traffic too.

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Ahleron@reddit

Nope. Not me. Definitely trust the backup camera more. It provides indicators of distance. Its way more accurate than eyes.

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HelloHash@reddit

I dont trust camera even, Im using my eyeballs for that shit.

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TrueNeutrino@reddit

Backing up like that when there's perfectly good mirrors with less blind spots ![gif](giphy|9DJtFRgk0tOla)

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gcawad@reddit

Never have backed up like that. Use side mirrors

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Anach@reddit

Same. Been driving for 40 years, never done this. I made an image of visual cones as a teaching aid years ago, to show how much turning like this reduces vision compared to learning to use mirrors properly. It also highlights how dangerous it could be, as you're not able to see anywhere near as well. Even worse for those hanging out their side window.

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AlucardD20@reddit

yeah, I still look over the shoulder. I am curious with the driving tests today.. do they allow the back up camera to be used during the test because it's now "standard". Was wondering about that.

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lovesriding@reddit

No they don't, my kid used them while backing up and they docked him for not looking behind his shoulder. Only thing he was docked for but I did laugh when the lady at the dmv told me, know her and have seen her drive lol. She doesn't look over her shoulder when she is backing up either lol.

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AlucardD20@reddit

lol nice. Thanks for the response.

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fridayimatwork@reddit

I can’t break this habit

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thecatsofwar@reddit

Boomers/boomer lites tend to be stuck in the past.

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fridayimatwork@reddit

Sorry you’ll never own a home

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thecatsofwar@reddit

I own one, thanks for your concern. And in that house I can use new technology. Just like using new technology in a car. Which again, boomers and the boomer lite older part of Gen X can’t seem the handle.

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fridayimatwork@reddit

So do you just show up in generational subs to be a dick? Sounds like you have a great life

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MaximumJones@reddit

Nah, they have a horrible life which is why they are so miserable. But they will not be a problem here anymore. 😎

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GenX-ModTeam@reddit

{community rule 2}

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GenX-ModTeam@reddit

{community rule 2}

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R5Jockey@reddit

Backup cam. My eyeballs can’t see directly behind me like the camera can.

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hermitzen@reddit

I have a business where I need to make deliveries so my primary vehicle is a cargo van with no rear window so I rely on the camera for backing up, parallel parking - everything. Anyway, I have become so used to using the camera when backing up, I've forgotten how to back up without one. I had to drive my mother somewhere and for her comfort, I drove her car. I was at a complete loss backing out of her driveway due to her lack of rear camera. I almost couldn't do it. Never thought I'd get like that!

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brn1001@reddit

Backup cameras are an aide. Use them when appropriate to supplement your other senses, not to completely replace them.

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MusicalMerlin1973@reddit

For most things, yeah. Backing the big ass truck down our long driveway? Hell yeah I’m using the camera until I get to the end. Then it’s mk 1 eyeball for the exit.

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Max_Sandpit@reddit

Mark 1 eyeball every time.

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Malarkey5150@reddit

Use your mirrors, it's much easier than twisting around.

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tas8871-@reddit

I rented a box truck and it had a rearview mirror. I was wondering why because you can't see anything. Put it in reverse and the mirror came on. The future is here.

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mustang-and-a-truck@reddit

I cannot see those things without my reading glasses though. And I can’t drive with reading glasses on. I rented a car that had a full time camera for a rear view, like you mentioned; couldn’t use it without pushing my head back against the headrest. I felt old.

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EmuMooMuuMuu@reddit

Same. My car turns the rear view mirror into a camera instead of just changing the angle when you flip the switch. So at night I have to choose between being blinded by the 1.21 jiggawatt high beams behind me or having a functional mirror because it’s too close to my face haha

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gamerjerome@reddit

Back up cameras didn't become mandatory until after 2013 so this 90's and 2000's.

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FLHomegrown@reddit

I prefer to using my eyes over technology. But I've recently started using the backup camera to help looking for walking up or behind the car people

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Right-Edge9320@reddit

I cant twist like that anymore. I just use my mirrors.

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R4360@reddit

Our new car has rear, side and 360 cameras. I can see getting spoiled by them pretty quickly.

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lumpy4square@reddit

When cars had huge rear windows, it worked. They are so tiny now. Plus it’s just a safety factor now.

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AioliUseful4639@reddit

Came here to say the same. Can't see out windows anymore. And frames are ten times thicker.

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desertblaster72@reddit

That's not Gen x talk, that's boomer shit

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Bamalouie@reddit

I have a 20 yr old.car with no camera so I still back up like this lol

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MadGeller@reddit

They are just an added tool to back up safer, not a replacement for your mirrors or turning to look. They most useful in getting close to a wall or another cars bumper. I can see my bumper and their bumper when backing up. It is also very useful for centering the car in a parking spot. But you need to use your side mirrors and actually looking behind you.

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gishnon@reddit

Right. Use all three tools. Check your mirrors, check your camera, turn around and look.

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FoxyTurtleOnTwoLegs@reddit

Mirrors.

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Least-Yak1640@reddit

So after I got my first car with the BU cameras, I was talking with my brother-in-law who said I should never trust the camera 100% and continue to look around. Seemed like sound advice. Two days after I adopted this new policy, I backed into someone. Fortunately, the divot in their bumper popped out, so no damage to either car. Since then, I’m 100% camera. People should do what they’re comfortable with, but it’s the equivalent of people 30 years ago saying they would never email because I can just call someone. My cameras do both rear view and overhead (driving a Chevy Bolt) and have alarms if I’m getting too close to something. Way superior to the human eyes. Also, just keep in mind that “This durn technology, I don’t trust it” would be ridiculed coming out of a Boomer’s mouth.

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CrankyDoo@reddit

The 360 (overhead) camera just can’t be beat. I love it! My truck (Ford Expedition) offers both overhead and rearview cameras while backing up. I don’t even look out the back window anymore. I don’t see much when I do anyways because my SUV stands so high many obstacles can’t be seen out the window anyways.

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Critical-Range1213@reddit

I’m with you, I almost hit a dog that I couldn’t see in mirrors or over my shoulder, but then looked at the camera and saw him. I usually hate all technology but this one I’m on board with!

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rah1974@reddit

My 13 year old asked me why I do this and I said it was a law or something and you had to do it when backing up.

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Outrageous_Drag6613@reddit

I remember my mom taking me to empty parking lot and learning how to park, reverse park, back in and out, etc

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ORF1Live@reddit

I use mirrors and camera. I've never reversed, turning around because I can't see anything that way, and I was told not to by driving instructor.

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Zealousideal_Ad642@reddit

I've never owned a car with a reversing camera (yet). My mothers car has one and i find it odd to use. Like it's not accurate and i find myself unable to reverse in a straight line like i can when i just use mirrors. The only useful thing i find about it is that i know how far back i can go and her car is just one big blind spot (mazda cx-3)

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Appropriate_Ad7858@reddit

Thus sub has been infiltrated by spirit boomers and silent generation types

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TP_Crisis_2020@reddit

I have seen people who can literally not backup a car without a backup camera.

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Initial-Wrongdoer938@reddit

I don't think it's about age. You should check with your eyes and camera. The camera doesn't see things coming from the sides and your eyes can see everything behind the car.

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smalls_1804@reddit

Some new midsized SUVs have such tiny fucking rearview windows and wide bodies that there's actually no point to using your eyes, you genuinely won't see anything better than you would with the backup camera.

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Specialist-Box4677@reddit

This is a problem, you're right. Modern C/D pillars are huge for rollover protection but block a lot of your view.

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smalls_1804@reddit

Yeah I have one of those cars and I've had to train myself to not turn my head around because it's just objectively unsafe to do so. I also almost exclusively back into spots now because I'm petrified of hitting someone

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vampyire@reddit

yeah the combination of them really helps for a safer back up

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Embarrassed_Flan_869@reddit

I have to disagree with you. Yes, you should definitely look but there is nothing wrong with embracing technology. My camera has a better view than I do, especially with blind spots. Not only that but using the camera for parallel parking, along with mirrors and looking, makes it SOOO much easier.

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Appropriate_Ad7858@reddit

Totally agree

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65happy@reddit

Never liked this franchise from season 1. Hateful, full of themselves and no personality . Surprised it lasted this long.

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I_am___The_Botman@reddit

I rely entirely on beeps.

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SThayer68@reddit

And the crunch noise so I know when to stop.

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I_am___The_Botman@reddit

😅

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CodenameZoya@reddit

You are still supposed to look you are not supposed to just trust the Camara for fuck sakes… it doesn’t have the range of view that a human looking all around does

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Used_Respect6996@reddit

Absolutely. I tell my kids this, and they make fun of me. "With my own eyes" Dad says.....😀 But hey. It works .

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ChuckYeagerWV@reddit

Backing out of the driveway I check both directions, mirrors, then use camera the rest of the way.

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ctreed79@reddit

Of the 5 vehicles my family owns, only one has a BU camera which is the wife’s daily. I use it when I drive her car but really only when parallel parking if it’s close. Otherwise, it’s mostly mirrors for me.

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themodefanatic@reddit

My MIL just backs up. No liking. No head turning. NOTHING. I never drive with her. My mom does it also. When I do drive with her I close my eyes and hope nothing happens. But she also retires to park so she never has to back up.

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kalelopaka@reddit

Yeah, I still use my mirrors and eyes. It’s just more natural to me after 47 years of driving.

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WendySteeplechase@reddit

First glance I thought that was Senator Ted Cruz... waiting for the political subtext

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needssomefun@reddit

I still turn around because I have a wider field of vision. However the BU camera is gets the first look because it catches the spot that is exactly where a small child might be.

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Ok-Limit-9726@reddit

I have 360 cameras, NEVER GOING BACK TO EYEBALL MK1 100% EVER. I still turn, check for danger, low hanging trees etc, then use cameras for ‘fine manoeuvring’ once i am around 1/2 way in. Best of both worlds! Noticed newer cars have full automatic parking now, even a chinese one you use a gps type camera to make car park how you want it to be facing/angle

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cyvaquero@reddit

I’m with you. My past three Silverados had them.

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Rasputin_mad_monk@reddit

I love the backup cameras. I’m 56 and we have a “Barn car“ that’s a 2013 or 2014 that doesn’t have a backup camera and I hate backing up in it. Yes, I can use my eyeballs and all that stuff but the camera just makes like so much easier, especially with little kids.

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SilverAgeSurfer@reddit

Growing up about 20 minutes outside of Manhattan (off peak hours) I can parallel park a train 😉

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KennyShowers@reddit

I grew up in Manhattan and can’t parallel park for shit, because I drive like 5 times a year and it’s always going out of town.

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SilverAgeSurfer@reddit

If my girl was driving she would just keep circling till we could pull in to a spot or finally give up and let me take the helm😂

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Fantastic-Stock664@reddit

I turned off the back up camera screen years ago. It confuses the sellout of me. But I can parallel park on a postage stamp first try

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Correct-Condition-99@reddit

Use the side and rear view mirrors.

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smalls_1804@reddit

Some new midsized SUVs have such tiny fucking rearview windows and wide bodies that there's actually no point to using your eyes, you genuinely won't see anything better than you would with the backup camera.

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Lanky_Fishing_9389@reddit

Probably the last generation to still be able to parallel park, without a camera

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itgoesineasy@reddit

I turn and use the mirrors to pack into a space. I may glance at the camera but it just feels strange and feels “inaccurate”.

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Expensive_Air965@reddit

I have a backup camera in my car and I really do love that thing. However, I have almost hit people coming in from the side that I didn't see. Unfortunately the model of car that I have has really bad blind spots if you're trying to look over your shoulders and I honestly don't think I would have seen them coming even if I was looking backwards

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MasterDave@reddit

Yeah if you’re old enough to be here, you’re probably that one that backs into every spot despite there not needing to be one and taking twice as long while people are waiting because your 1 and 2 aren’t that reliable anymore. The camera is great. It has lines that put you where you need and tell you if you’re about to hit something. I’m infinitely better using the tech than my eyes, especially at night.

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_TallOldOne_@reddit

Hmm… my car has a higher self preservation instinct than I do. It refuses to, among other things to back up into something. It can be annoying as hell sometimes.

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Expensive_Air965@reddit

I had a rental car that did that bullshit. I grew up in New York. I can park a semi in a matchbox spot. The stupid car would not let me back up as far as I needed to to get into a spot I know I could have fit into

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Annonnymee@reddit

I got a car with backup camera in October and I'm still very tentative about backing up. I'm never sure which to look at, the camera, the mirrors, or turning around and trying to look out the windows. Usually I end up with a combination, which takes way too much time.

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rainbikr@reddit

There is a what now?

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Euphoric_Grass_5973@reddit

Nope. My 360 degree camera has changed my parking life

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DeadBy2050@reddit

Yeah, these people here not using their backup cameras must not live in a congested city with tiny parking lot spaces and near zero room to manuever. In the old days when we had rubber/metal bumpers, a tiny tap while parallel parking was no big deal. With painted bumpers, you can't do that any more. So knowing when I'm one inch from hitting the parked car behind me is awesome.

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Opposite-Mushroom940@reddit

Just old guy yelling at clouds anti tech ramblings.

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Spridlewv@reddit

I always use the mirrors. I know the camera is nice, but I feel safer using the mirrors. Or more confident really, rather than safer.

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abstractraj@reddit

The camera is so superior it’s crazy

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ExhaustedMouse@reddit

It’s not! The distortion effect that gives you more “visibility” makes it difficult to gauge what’s actually coming. And if you live in any area that gets a lot of rain/snow/slush, the camera is almost always covered in filth no matter how often you wipe it off. Shoulder check for life!

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abstractraj@reddit

I get out and wipe the camera and then continue. I’ve become camera dependent!

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Addapost@reddit

Dude, no one over 50 can even turn that way anymore.

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spintool1995@reddit

Exactly, backup cameras arrived just in time. The alternative was just using the rearview mirror.

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AlexTheSlyGuy@reddit

Mine shut off earlier as I was backing down into my driveway. I just about panicked

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anotherbrckinTH3Wall@reddit

Same.

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Hesasadpanda@reddit

My car does not have the camera and whenever I use my wife's car it's so foreign and strange to look forward whilst backing up .... I still turn and look. Just feels safer

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Couscousfan07@reddit

Mirrors and looking back. Use backup camera as a reference.

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LongConcentrate9442@reddit

I completely ignore mine. Born in 1968.

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Quick_Dark244@reddit

Moms ever pull that move when you accidentally leave your backpack at home but your not that far from home so she slaps the back of the passenger seat cranks that neck over and floors it in reverse back to the pad . The eye contact was brutal. Then the cherry on top was the skid at the end but you’re to scared to celebrate it , so you hustle on it and hope to god it’s in one of the 10 places you usually leave it.

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llapman@reddit

I’ve completely gotten used to my backup camera, never failed me.

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Numerous-Positions_5@reddit

I honestly forget the camera is even there.

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JohnnyRelentless@reddit

I've always just used my mirrors. I never turn around to look back. There is no need to. And backup cameras are great. I use them every time now. Getting older doesn't mean you have to cling to what was. Your 18 year old self would kick your ass for being such a fuddy duddy.

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TankApprehensive3053@reddit

Learned to backup with the looking back like that. Drove many vehicles that looking back was not possible so using the side mirrors was the only way. I mostly still use side mirrors. Side mirrors do need to be properly adjusted also. I check the backup camera just for distance to something from the bumper.

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davidsladky@reddit

Boomers

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FernX02@reddit

I've never had a vehicle with a backup camera so I will continue to use this method.

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Epicassion@reddit

That's my wife. Never uses the camera. I use my eyes and camera.

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JackTrippin@reddit

My car has cameras and sensors up the wazoo, and it's made parking incredible easy and safe. Why would I not trust it?

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Iron_Chic@reddit

ALWAYS physically look behind you when backing. Don't rely solely on the cameras, especially the backup camera. The camera is usually mounted around license plate level, so it doesn't show things up high. I found this out while backing into a space in an older parking garage. There were pipes running along the wall, up high. Going in head first would've worked because of the lower clearance. Pipes punctured the rear window of my SUV, Totally my fault for relying only on the cam to backup, it looked clear.

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tvieno@reddit

I only use the camera to see how much I have left in the parking space.

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Micheal_Noine_Noine@reddit

Is that Adam the Woo?

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Valentine-Jester@reddit

But now everyone backs into spots because they have a camera. Except, of course, everyone drives SUVs and trucks and need to access the back of the car to load, well everything.

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phillymjs@reddit

The only acceptable reason to back into a parking space is if you’re going into the business to rob it, and don’t have anyone you can trust enough to be your getaway driver.

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texan01@reddit

And they still can’t back into a spot worth a damn.

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userguy54321@reddit

I do not resist all technology advances. I have total faith in my camera at 55 years old

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ExperienceWild4244@reddit

I've never ever backed up like this. Every one of my cars has this invention called "mirrors". They're mounted on each side of every car, and they're amazing!

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ryancementhead@reddit

The mirrors have blind spots, so by turning you can see what might be hiding in the blind spots.

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ExperienceWild4244@reddit

During training (by a CHP-certified trainer) to be a bus driver (small bus; elderly, wheel chair, special needs, etc) they pounded on us to "rock and roll". MOVE IN YOUR SEAT when using side mirrors. That eliminates blind spots. Parking, changing lanes, stuff like that. Heck, upon returning to the bus yard, we parked backwards, three deep!

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ryancementhead@reddit

Big difference between a car and a bus.

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Skullpuck@reddit

That's a lot of effort for something you can easily do with mirrors. In fact, I consider that unsafe against using only mirrors and 180 degree looking. No need to turn around. That was popular when bench seating was a thing and cars only had a driver's side mirror.

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Puzzleheaded_Grade_4@reddit

My body doesn't turn that rar anymore

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Outrageous_Plum5348@reddit

Damn straight. *Never rely solely on camera system. Check surroundings for safety*

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zer00eyz@reddit

We have these because of the [Cameron Gulbransen Kids Transportation Safety Act](https://www.congress.gov/committee-report/110th-congress/senate-report/275/1). Giant SUV's and small children do not mix. We all pay a few hundred bucks extra to "save the children" ... it's hard to find year over year data since this law was put in place, one would expect there to be declining rates.

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Juanfartez@reddit

So another think of the children law to force a product into the market. I'll explain. Back in the late 90s the camera-radar systems were in their infancy. Some trucking companies I worked with were paid to volunteer their rigs to test them. The radar boxes were big as laptops on the sides of the vehicle but kept getting smaller as tech advanced. Obviously lobbyists paid off enough of congress and one of them found a poster child to title the bill.

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Mugwumps_has_spoken@reddit

I was arguing with someone who was complaining the lower trim of the Sienna doesn't have the trajectory lines for backing up. I asked them "don't you still use your own rear view mirror and side mirrors?" I can't fathom NOT using the old fashioned methods alongside the tech. Don't get me wrong, I love the camera, they help A LOT, but I still use my vehicle mirrors.

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hopeinnewhope@reddit

Confession: I’m a terrible driver; but I am the queen of searching for a pull thru parking spot at Wegman’s. I use the backup camera to make sure I crossed the line of the parking spot behind me. You’ve probably all given me the finger at some point. I’m used to it.

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LanguageNo495@reddit

If you know you’re a terrible driver, you should practice or take lessons to get better. It’s bizarre how flippant people can be about an activity that can easily kill others if not done well.

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BadLuckIsMyLuck@reddit

Took me three years to figure out and trust the back up cam.

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rtduvall@reddit

That camera could go out at any time. I’m not gonna let myself get soft and depend on it. The mirrors is all I need.

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Commisceo@reddit

Haha. That’s me

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Three_Twenty-Three@reddit

I use the backup camera for the final foot or two, and I like it for that, but otherwise, nope! I want to know where the edges of my car are!

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Out_of_Darkness_mc@reddit

I love my cameras with 360 views! I see more than I could with my neck hurting! Lol! I also can’t see above or below with my own eyes. Could I not use it? Of course! I feel it’s safer!

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Anthropic_me@reddit

Those with backup cameras have never backed up a trailer. Yes I know some trailer have backup cameras but they usually suck and don't offer perception of depth.

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Witty-Atmosphere-211@reddit

In HS, class of 84, my friend could back up a trailer with a boat. I still can’t believe her dad let her take it out at 17.

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Anthropic_me@reddit

This isn't a flex as it was telling of the times but at 13, I used to spend from sun up to well after dark, in a POS boat more than 20 miles away from home base, without worries.

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SheriffBartholomew@reddit

Except that you can't see out of the back window anymore. Cars from back then had absolutely superb visibility compared to modern cars. All of the safety features built into cabin protection limit visibility.

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liddybuckfan@reddit

Oh no I love the cameras. My neck hurts way too much when I twist like that. I do much better watching from the screen.

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PapillionGurl@reddit

I absolutely love the cameras. It sees so much more than I ever could. I'm short and most cars aren't made with people my height in mind. Even with the seat up all the way being 5'2" makes visibility difficult. Bring on the cameras!

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Northman_76@reddit

Still do it, and my 24 yr. old daughter does it too along with the occasional head and chicken wing out the window 🤣

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ugottabekiddingmeha@reddit

Yeah, but wait until your shoulders or back are too stiff to make that move.

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olily@reddit

Yes. And add that headrests seem to be freaking huge now and even if I could turn my head all the way around like Reagan in the Exorcist, I still wouldn't be able to see much. The seats and headrests must be made for people much taller than I am, because they very much block my view.

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CatStretchPics@reddit

Old cars had giant back windshields that made backing up like this possible New cars have more stringent safety features. The back windows are much smaller due to better rollover structure. I can’t see like I could in older cars; well, that’s partly the car and partly my vision. Backup cameras are great!

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dhelene@reddit

I suspect there is a Luke Skywalker blowing up the death star joke somewhere in this.

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PHI41-NE33@reddit

As my back and neck get stiffer, thank Jebus for the rear view cam.

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Scouter197@reddit

There are these things all mirrors. Use them.

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Due-Statistician-682@reddit

I've had my car for 8 years and I don't think I've ever used the camera. I forget I have it sometimes.

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Ironman2131@reddit

My wife backs in like this. I use the cameras, especially now that I have a car with a top down view. I love that thing.

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Cranks_No_Start@reddit

My wife does as well but only in her Jeep. My car and pickup both older just have the 3 mirrors and that’s all I’ve ever needed.

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Ironman2131@reddit

I recently upgraded from an old Accord to a new Genesis G70, primarily to have access to the extra safety tech. It's been great so far.

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NicInNS@reddit

My husband doesn’t use the back up unless he’s making sure he’s even between the lines or getting into our garage which is at a weird angle. I use the backup camera like a pro. But I can still back our old “without a backup camera” truck as well. No reason you can’t do both. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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losromans@reddit

I first time I had a camera, it don’t have the FOV to see things to the side. So, I hit a wall with the side of the bumper when trying to use it to park finally after someone said I should just use the camera… Now, it’s nice to have on my newer vehicle but only to see if some idiot isn’t even looking when they are backing out of their space. Or, if people are walking. And maybe to see if I’ve backed in enough to be in the spot and not far enough to not be able to open the hatch. I hate the lines that steer but my wife likes them on hers. The static lines feel like I can imagine the actual angle of my vehicle better than the lines guesstimating the angle at which I’m baking up based on my front wheel angle. And I just realized my truck is now 10yrs old.

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Cranks_No_Start@reddit

>And I just realized my truck is now 10yrs old. Damn look at the guy with a new truck. Mine just turned 30.

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Different_Cat106@reddit

My car is so old it doesn't have a backup camera. It doesn't have any screens, either. It runs good though.

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dogpak@reddit

I'm even worse. I learnt to drive in a right hand drive car. Now I drive a left hand drive but still look over my left shoulder.

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jaymz668@reddit

Yes! I fricking hate that my first instinct is to look over my left shoulder when backing up and often hit my face on the side of the seatbelt

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destiny_kane48@reddit

The backup camera on my car is useless for me.

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Substantial_Risk_955@reddit

So I thought this was the case for me and then I moved my daughter’s 2009 car out of my driveway and almost clipped a parked car backing up. I basically looked both ways and then forgot there was a car parked on the street. I guess I use the camera more than I thought…

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annadownya@reddit

You can just use both you know. It's not like this is an either or situation. In fact it's better if you use ALL tools available all the time. I don't remove airbags because seat belts were always fine before. I have both, I use both. And I was grateful for that airbag when I got in that accident because some idiot ran into me. I'm grateful for the cameras now.

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Lemosopher@reddit

That's what I do. Currently driving a full size pickup and living where there's a small and very packed parking lot. I take my time, use all 3 mirrors and the camera as well as looking out the back window and I back in nice and perfect every time.

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annadownya@reddit

Exactly! And frankly you're supposed to look and use the camera/mirrors. They were meant to augment each other, not replace each other.

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littledonkey20@reddit

I do that and I got my license in the 90s.

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gumby_twain@reddit

Cameras are too limited. They don't show you the corners of the car. I always line it up using mirrors and my eyes. Once i'm lined up i'll check the rear camera for distance or obstructions.

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Separate_Today_8781@reddit

Damn I feel seen

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Bob_12_Pack@reddit

None of my vehicles are new enough to have backup cameras, but I rent cars frequently. I have started trying to embrace the tech but old habits die hard.

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thekrawdiddy@reddit

This is where I am. My girlfriend’s car has a backup camera and I try to get used to it but so far it just feels weird and spatially distorted and I keep giving up and just doing it the way I’m familiar with. I guess I’ll get there eventually.

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Specialist_Yak1019@reddit

My 18 yo had a one that stopped working and asked me to get it fixed. I told him to deal with it and now he can do without. Amazing

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wyohman@reddit

Good for you, Luddite! You should remove the air bags and add giant bumpers. Throw the kids in the back unbelted as well.

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CarlatheDestructor@reddit

I use the camera and turn around to check all around me.

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annadownya@reddit

Ty. Why do people make out like it has to be either or? Use all your tools.

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Difficult-Future-450@reddit

The spouse's vehicle does not have a backup camera. I don't like driving it. My car is a 2017 and doesn't have a whole lot of fancy but boy do I appreciate that camera!

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PrinceofSneks@reddit

The muscle memory is still so embedded, but yeah, the cameras and then the guidelines help with microadjustments and the not-hitting-kids thing.

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No-Jump-9601@reddit

37 years of using mirrors and hugging the passenger seat as I park has led to an inability to look at the screen in the centre of the dash. My car doesn’t have any cameras but whenever I drive one that does, I forget about it and muscle memory goes into action. My limited experience of these cameras has also highlighted the fact that they’re easily covered in road grime and difficult to see through without getting out and wiping a thumb across it. I’ll stick with my mirrors and Mk1 eyeball.

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NavierIsStoked@reddit

Wide angle rear cameras with the lines that bend proportional to how much you turn your steering wheel are game changers. I have moved into to the future and don’t look back anymore.

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cyphertext71@reddit

I see what you did there...

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fingers@reddit

I'm down with the backup cameras. No more twisting to get out of a spot.

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thomasbeagle@reddit

Me, before: I can reverse a car, I don't need a backup camera! Me, after: holy shit this thing is amazing!

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Xyzzydude@reddit

Not only a backup camera but the rear cross-traffic sensors make it so much safer.

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keirmeister@reddit

I have backup and bird’s eye cameras. I use them. I use them often. They have helped me get into spots I would have never been able to do without them. I still do a visual just to be sure, but the cameras are a gift from the heavens above. Use them and be grateful they exist.

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annadownya@reddit

Agreed. The reason they exist is they can catch small children who you can't see through the back window. I believe the impetus for the law was a child who was either killed or severely injured. I am always careful but I've had the camera catch kids, cats, all sorts of stuff. I don't drive a Flintstone car. Just take advantage of tech available.

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tk-093@reddit

Yeah. Don't get this one. Backup cameras are the best.

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_WillCAD_@reddit

Sorry, but I've got herniated discs in my neck - I NEVER backed up like this, even before I got my first backup camera in 2010.

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yanknga@reddit

I embraced the camera within an hour of getting one. My wife didn’t really adapt to the single backup camera but recently got a Tesla and that camera system finally converted her.

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seeingeyegod@reddit

I use my backup camera because with todays small car windows, it shows a much clearer view to the behind than I can get by looking. I do double check a little with my head, but primarily use the camera to tell where I am in comparison to obstacles, its much easier.

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Livid-Technology-396@reddit

I just use my mirrors.

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Slugggo@reddit

not me, man. The rear camera is like a cheat code for those of us who grew up with traditional parallel parking with mirrors. I'll eyeball it to start but then the camera lets you get 2 inches away from the car behind you. Makes it so much easier to pull into tight spots, and quicker.

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Witty-Atmosphere-211@reddit

My poor kids had to learn to drive with a Chevy Suburban and an F250 super duty (this was before cameras). Both my daughters can parallel park without a camera. I’ve never been able to, even with a camera.

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sogwatchman@reddit

The need two cameras, one perspective that shows straight behind you so you can easily where are going and another with a wide angle lens so I can see the kid that's about to run behind me.

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1Boxer1@reddit

I have backup cameras and a 360 degree view of my car when backing up and I still look back and use my mirrors 90% of the time, this is what 35 years of driving experience had taught me and it’s hard to change my habits.

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mtcwby@reddit

I've embraced the cameras and the ability to get into much tighter spots. In fact I'm much more confident backing up in my truck than I am pulling forward since mine doesn't have cameras there. My wife's new car has 360 degree cameras and that shit is magic as far as I'm concerned.

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SRART25@reddit

Y'all can still turn your neck and back well enough to do this? I was using my mirrors before I got a camera for this.

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fattfreddy1@reddit

Started driving in 87 my first car with a back up cam was in 2019. Took me a while to use it but now I use it all the time. I can’t remember the last time I hugged my passenger seat. I may go give it a hug later for old time’s sake.

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ApatheistHeretic@reddit

If I could stretch that far without making noises, I would too. I've adapted to the camera and mirrors.

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stringfellow-hawke@reddit

Mirrors are this space age technology that lets you see backwards. But seriously, this is a bad idea for larger vehicles with limited rear window vision.

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RootHogOrDieTrying@reddit

Even my gen 2 Escape is hard to see out of like this.

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Obwyn@reddit

Eh, there are so many blind spots on vehicles that I’d rather use the camera. If it stops working or is covered with something then I’ll do it the old fashioned way, but using a camera is better. Things just dumb.

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zombie_spiderman@reddit

I always do it with the rear view mirror. I got it dialed in where the car behind's passenger side headlight has to be when it's time to cut in

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Secret_Computer4891@reddit

All this newfangled automobile gadgetry is inferior to the cars I grew up with. I grew up without cameras, airbags, power steering, antilock brakes, adaptive cruise control, lane change alerts... I get rid of all that shit. Then, I rip out that little screen and install an 8-track player.

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Mike9797@reddit

“Hey would you mind rolling up the windows, im trying to smoke here”?

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Lucky_Louch@reddit

I would but my sciatica won't let me anymore, so I have been forced to rely on the camera which will never feel correct.

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Upstairs-Hope4392@reddit

This is so true.

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KaligirlinDe@reddit

Guilty as charged. Did it yesterday with my hubby's car and he was laughing at me while gesturing with his hands that there's a full display camera.

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Coffee_green@reddit

I do a better job when I don't rely on the tech

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nakerusa@reddit

Are you kidding me? I've been in love with backup cameras for years now. It was especially helpful getting the camper or horse trailer on the guys hitch. Now I'm camper and horse trailerless but that backup cam and the 360 cams are a godsend! I even have cameras that show the blind spot views when turning or merging. Incredibly helpful.

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CrispyDave@reddit

Modern cars need backup cameras, the pillars are all so safe and chunky compared to old cars the blind spots are enormous.

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Stubborn_Strawberry@reddit

Our new vehicle (Mazda CX50) has 360° cameras. I'm slowly getting used to them.

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Far-Replacement-2166@reddit

360 overhead view is the best feature in my opinion

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El_Peregrine@reddit

Fuck this, I love the backup camera. I can park within inches of exactly where I want, easily.

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Far-Replacement-2166@reddit

The problem is the poor outward viability in new cars

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deephurting66@reddit

I'm a poor so I have to!

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Goonie75@reddit

Dad was a safety instructor for UPS so ain't no way im jot using eyes and mirrors... cameras are nice though.

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Ghosthost2000@reddit

I learned how to drive in a ‘79 Chevy during hay season. The bed would be so overloaded with hay the mirrors were useless. I had to back into the barn blind using landmarks and whatever gibberish barks and hand signals my dad threw at me. LOL

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Narrow-Accident-1136@reddit

It’s taken me a couple months but I’m starting to use just my camera

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Zipstser257@reddit

Not to mention I think all cars say “DO NOT RELY SOLELY ON THE CAMERA” when it’s in use. Pretty sure Gen X is the last on board to take that advice. I still look back at all times even when I can rely on cameras and sensors

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Dextropic@reddit

My mother does this and is baffled that I can back up using the mirrors.

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wwhijr@reddit

Everyone I know who uses their backup camera to back up as a dented bumper

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WritingRidingRunner@reddit

More like, "backing up looking in the mirror because I drive a 2010 and am too poor to buy a newer used car."

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soundslikefun74@reddit

I have a camera that is high quality and I don't use it to back into any space. I also don't turn around like that. I have side mirrors... I use them. 👍

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NoCoGuy1620@reddit

My brother and I own and operate a shop that specializes in this type of thing on cars and both of us still do this 51 and 49. We laugh about it all the time. 🤣

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AcanthocephalaDue715@reddit

I use both

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truejabber@reddit

My kid when I was backing into a space with her for the first time since I’d bought the car: “Oh your backup camera is cool!” Me: “Huh? Oh. I forgot it’s there.”

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International_Low284@reddit

I might look in the camera when I first put the car in reverse to see if there’s anything directly behind me. After that, I’m turning my head, the way I was trained to do in 1986.

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regular_gonzalez@reddit

Huh. 95% of the time I only use the camera and consider my boomer mom old fashioned for still looking back. 🤷‍♂️

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draaz_melon@reddit

If you had a better screen and camera, this would sound silly to you.

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NPC261939@reddit

With a long sloping driveway I've learned to love these cameras. My boomer parents on the other hand will do this. Or even worse, open the door and hang their head out while reversing complaining the whole time they can't see.

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sola_mia@reddit

Same here. My 76yo parents use it. I can't. Wonder why?

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sola_mia@reddit

True. I can't use my camera. And yet my 76yo parents exclusively rely on it. 🤷🏻

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Ok-Commercial-924@reddit

I felt the same way until we got our first car with a 360 camera and a 14" display. Now it's backup camera all the way.

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dis690640450cc@reddit

The camera feels like tunnel vision when I use them. If it’s a 26 foot truck I’m really glad to have it. But my cat and pickup don’t have one and I don’t miss it. I do wish my jeep had one because the spare tire blocks so much. But the over the shoulder method works well and I feel more comfortable backing up quickly when not using a camera. Part of that is definitely because of the learning the technique decades ago and it just being muscle memory, just move your hand the way you want to go.

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HighSeasArchivist@reddit

No car payment > backup camera.

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sideways92@reddit

Right there with you. My 2012 Honda rolled over 175K this month. She purrs like a kitten, but no backup camera. Never had one outside rentals, so I don’t miss it. And I loooooooooooooove not making a car payment every month.

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HighSeasArchivist@reddit

I'm a manual only kind of guy, so my options are pretty much a Mustang or Subaru, so no thank you.

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CaptainAwesome_5000@reddit

I don't get it. There's a screen on my dashboard that just shows video of people getting hit by a car whenever I back up. Makes no damn sense.

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Cosmicvapour@reddit

I hate that show, too.

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Surfbrowser@reddit

One thing I never understood, what was the advantage of putting your arm around the back of the seat??

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isabelletremblayoff@reddit

Leverage and tension muscle easing. Try turning your neck and back to look back while keeping your arm at your side, and then do it again but with the motion of putting your arm on the seat head. At least for me, it relieves all that tension in the upper back and neck, and allows you to better make that movement without putting needless tension.

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Catskillschick@reddit

The camera on my kia is crooked and when I use it my husband always says, you know, you're parked crooked in the driveway! If I do it by turning around and looking it's always spot on!😀

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Angry_GorillaBS@reddit

You're not ONLY supposed to use the camera

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Downtown_Anteater_38@reddit

My last car had a rear camera and I used to forget it was there. It was handy for parallel parking (I live in an urban an neighborhood with street parking) as the lines on the screen would help guide me, and the overhead camera view helped me confirm how car I was from the car behind

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og-lollercopter@reddit

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ggoptimus@reddit

I trusted it too much when I first got one and nearly backed into a car driving by. It can only see right behind you. Lesson learned!

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Top_Construction2360@reddit

I never could do this because it basically requires me to drive the car backwards. I just use the mirrors... which also requires me to drive the car backwards. Look, I didn't say it made sense... I love the rear view camera, though. I'm still required to drive the car backwards, though.

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the_kessel_runner@reddit

Por que no los dos?

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GataPapa@reddit

I might double check something with the mark 1 eyeball, but I've gotten pretty handy with three camera views - two angled from each side and one straight back. The emergency cross traffic stop has also saved me a couple times backing out when there was some idiot going too fast in a parking lot and you couldn't see due to obstruction from other large vehicles.

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Chankla_Rocket@reddit

Looking back through the rear window is required in the DMV driving test and safest way to back up for overall situational awareness. My mom recently failed the test because she couldn't turn her neck enough to do this. So yeah you can use the rear cameras or mirrors, but don't rely on them. Do your neck stretches!

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I_HaveSeenTheLight@reddit

The only time that backup camera gets used is when I'm lined up and just need to know when to stop. Head on a swivel and using the side mirrors until then.

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mikeD707@reddit

I watched an old guy in a Teslas do this and almost backed out into two different cars. Teslas have three friggin cameras! 🤷🏼‍♂️

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clef75@reddit

Yeah I am genx and switched to the camera. Can see way more. ( Side mirrors too)

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IdontgoonToast@reddit

After having lots of back issues having a backup camera is freaking awesome. That said, I still turn around and look and check all the mirrors before moving.

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pocketdare@reddit

Backup cameras don't see side to side

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seattlemh@reddit

I still don't have a camera.

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EdgeOfThorns76@reddit

Never had a car with a backup camera, so I still do the old turnaround to look behind me and use my side mirrors when backing up or backing into parking spots.

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Appropriate_Tale7865@reddit

This is ME 😂

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sickboy6_5@reddit

nah, i just stare at the camera and floor it. if i hit anything i'll punch through or roll over it...

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gaymersky@reddit

😂😂😂 whaaaaaat I wouldn't be able to see anything for at least 12 ft behind the car if I didn't have the camera... What good would that be...

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leicanthrope@reddit

Without the rear camera on my car, I might as well be trying to look through a turret.

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Surfbrowser@reddit

We’ve been daughter that at a young age and it’s hard habit to break. I will use both but only trust my eyes completely.

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ShouldersBBoulders@reddit

And because people walk right behind your ass while you're backing up. Had more than my share step into the frame who I would have seen just fine the old way.

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samuellbroncowitz@reddit

None of my cars are new enough to have back up cameras, so there is that

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Intelligent-Art-5000@reddit

I use mirrors because I learned to drive in the '80s

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vivekkhera@reddit

Exactly. This is a 50’s move from before mirrors were invented.

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anothercynic2112@reddit

My rear window visibility sucks and yeah, why turn my head when I don't need to. I'm gonna say it out loud. Yes it was cool I learned how to do stuff the old way but not interested in going backwards. Remember we were told we'd never have a calculator with us all the time.

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Zinjifrah@reddit

My growing neck stiffness is making this move less and less doable lol.

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slop1010101@reddit

I don't back into spots because I don't want to hold up other cars, so I pull in in as fast as I can and pull out when it's clear - no cars inconvenienced!

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superjodz@reddit

Yeah, except now I can’t turn my neck like that anymore without ending up in the hospital

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The_Machine80@reddit

When my wife got her first back up camera she leaned a hard lesson. The camera can only see straight back and not the big dumpster on the side that the side of the car hit. Check camera then turn around and look before moving!

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FredOaks15@reddit

I’d blow out my neck and back and probably fracture a clavicle if I didn’t use the backup camera.

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Foulmouthedleon@reddit

I did that this morning when going to the gym. Then I’m like “Wait, I’ve got a HD backup camera. What am I doing?”

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Sherviks13@reddit

Yeah, I learned how to use my mirrors and not get all twisty with my body.

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Ianthin1@reddit

I use both. I’m not too stubborn to use a good visual aid when it’s available.

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Moodleboy@reddit

My neck/shoulder/back doesn't allow for this maneuver any more. I have become completely dependent upon the backup camera. I have to admit, it is the one semi-modern feature I actually really like.

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TheNeonCrow@reddit

Fuck that. I use my backup camera!

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SergeantBeavis@reddit

Yea,,,,, no. I'm spoiled.

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Excellent-Phase8719@reddit

My wife! Every damn time!!

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