The vicious cycle
Posted by Meteorstar101@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 78 comments
Posted by Meteorstar101@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 78 comments
el_gringo_exotico@reddit
Oh that's crazy because the Romans ruled the Mediterranean for hundreds of years and only fell when Christianity became widespread and the Mongols ruled huge swaths of lands for centuries and about a quarter of the world speaks Arabic thanks to the Arab conquests and and and
It is so lucky that Anon found a source that perfectly tailors to his worldview, and confirms a lot of things he likely already believes. What are the odds?
Londtex@reddit
My guy, the third century was bit stable for pagan Roma. The east also survived for a extra 1000 years and was more Christian then the west. Thought I will give you Christian emperors like Honorius were trash, that's a issue that was not Christianity fault nor was that exclusive. If anyone is to be blamed for the fall of the west it's Diocletian for divorcing the empire to begin with.
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
MFers when they ignore how 'le glorious pagan' Romans had a civil war every 26 seconds the minute general fartmaximus got the loyalty of any number of soldiers above 5 and then got delusions of grandeur and marched on Rome, leading to 52 different pretenders before one douche wins out.
frillblim@reddit
instability is a roman trait smh
el_gringo_exotico@reddit
Instability is not a Christian trait, but not allying with Germanic tribes because they were Arianist or dealing with constant rioting due to doctrinal differences definitely is.
Londtex@reddit
You had constant riots for other reasons in early Rome. Though failure to integrate the Germans was a problem, I don't think you can blame Christianity for that. At least solely.
Stock_Plenty8987@reddit
No?? The roman empire fell 1453, wayyy after christianity spread and became the official religion of the empire
frillblim@reddit
it survived after 641 as a rump state , and fell in 1204
the post 1261 state was just the palaiologos wearing the skin of the old empire
to_yeet_or_to_yoink@reddit
Byzantine wasn't Rome.
Sensitive_Bat_9211@reddit
Byzantine empire didnt even exist. Its just a word historians use to describe rome after it started speaking greek. Everyone during the time still called them roman and had they had roman emporers
Amathril@reddit
I guess that's the point here.
Judah_Earl@reddit
Temu Romans.
Matt_2504@reddit
Why were they called Romans and not “Byzantines” then?
Londtex@reddit
When? During the 400s to 500s they definitely were. If you are talking about the latter empire, they still were though they did not speak Latin. If Latin is the only requirement then the HRE was Roma and did not fall until the 1800s and was Christian.
Stock_Plenty8987@reddit
It was tho
bigmt99@reddit
Survived as a mongrel rump state
Impossible-Pizza982@reddit
Oh and china did some pretty cool things like still being around as a great ancient empire. And they also colonized the island of Japan at some point so we have that too
UristMcMagma@reddit
It's not the same empire, China has changed governance like 4 times in the past 100 years. Chinese people still exist though, so I'll give you that.
Impossible-Pizza982@reddit
I mean yea fair enough, and they’ve been through many many civil wars basically throughout all of history, but it is what it is. They’re still standing
UristMcMagma@reddit
They've been conquered multiple times, though. By the Manchu and by the Mongols. So saying they're still standing is the issue.
Dildo_Ballins@reddit
All of them became Chinese, so it's fine
SergenteA@reddit
Not the same dynasty, but the same civilisation and contigous* polity. It is more or less as much of a continuity as any nation that has had coups, adopted new Constitutions, etcetera.
*I would say foreign conquest counts as an interruption, until they get assimilated anyway.
Dildo_Ballins@reddit
Christianity was a bandaid, it didn't really cause the Roman Empire to collapse and kinda slowed it down. Rome collapses due to numerous reasons that kept building up over the ages
Hydroxyacetylene@reddit
Rome converted to Christianity at a low point though.
PlatypusOk5108@reddit
Marriage and monogamy existed long before Christianity or Rome. By all the historical errors here I can take a wild guess at where you're from
FJkookser00@reddit
It’s so lucky that anon is also right because that’s what happened as a result of the mongols and the Arabs and the Christianity
the_fresh_cucumber@reddit
As we all know, the romans didn't have sex
Black_Diammond@reddit
The roman Empire fell like 1300 years after chritianity became The state religion, what are you even on.
MarketWave@reddit
The arguments against OP are somehow worse than the original post itself.
Longroadtonowhere_@reddit
The best common sense argument against it is that when the definitive work is almost a hundred years old, back when history was more gut feelings and propaganda than facts, it’s not a good sign.
If it were actually true what you’d expect to see to see is dozens of follow ups that are so good they a,one the original obsolete. Not having to run back to a work that probably thinks a vomitorium was where people went to throw up at,
Luklear@reddit
What is there even to refute? This is pure fantasy.
floydianvergil@reddit
This comment is somehow worse than the arguments against OP itself.
PhantasosX@reddit
LMAO , this screams more like someone sexually repressed. Because the Roman Empire was a thing and not only they had scheduled orgies like the Saturnalia....the only true limitation is that the higher social ranking roman should be the Top and not the Bottom
MechwolfMachina@reddit
And the roman empire as it was is clearly doing well today
They literally refactored themselves into the Roman Catholic network, one of the most sexually repressed orgs and guess what? Stonks, growth, stability. Same with the mormons. Maybe all the muh ethnostate 4chinners should learn some discipline, learn to stop fapping and just convert to mormonism because they’re 95% white and have a hundred billion dollar religious estate.
Religion is the new civ.
dreimanatee@reddit
I love that fact about the Mormons because it skips the fact they practiced polygamy and had child brides hahaha. Joseph Smith had around 34 wives some of which he took from other men and as young as 14. So maybe the multi billion by product of that is fapping in secret.
Ralfarius@reddit
Even better when Joseph got fuckin murked before they even made it to Illinois let alone Utah. Then Brigham Young just kept making shit up to fleece followers, enrich himself and marry any girl he thought about for mpre than five seconds. And they just kept letting him.
shadofx@reddit
How do you define stonks? Roman Empire fractured in two soon after and never recovered. You do get more Christians, converted at sword point (so not real Christians). Then Europe lives in the dark ages basically until Luther challenges the Catholic church, which kickstarts civic thought and the Industrial Revolution. You see the effects still today, Catholic-dominated nations of the world are consistently weaker compared to antiCatholic ones. Look at Mexico vs US. Look at Italy vs Germany. Similar material conditions, similar civic structures, but the outcomes aren't the same. Eastern orthodoxy springs from the same accursed root as the Catholic church, so it's no surprise that Russia is the way it is.
MechwolfMachina@reddit
They own the entire world today. Follow the trail.
CarlMarks_@reddit
Anon needs a roommate to help them "soak"
M0rgr0m@reddit
I like to imagine a world where one day people stop using the one single uninventive joke about Mormons
CarlMarks_@reddit
Yeah unfortunately all the jokes are in a hat only one guy is allowed to look in
racinreaver@reddit
This joke is too good to be buried this deep in the thread, lol.
Bobbyjets@reddit
Do you think he regrets the world that he imagined now?
Slow-Law-239@reddit
Based and Joseph pilled
ElectroMagnetsYo@reddit
Popsci-brained take of the famously conservative Roman Empire. No it was not like it was in Spartacus: Blood and Sand, they added all those tits into the show to get more viewers.
The Romans idolized “virtuous women”.
PhantasosX@reddit
Romans idolize virtuous women, but had no problem sleeping with femboys and every December having an orgy.
It all boils down to the bottom been submissive and the top been the Man. It all follows the Baki logic of “Yujiro sleeps with men because he is such a man with high testosterone that every other men is a women to his eyes”
Ozymandias_1303@reddit
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Positive_Action_5377@reddit
So this means gunpowder is like way more powerful than sex, yeah?
TheRealBruh-_-@reddit
Anon would like to believe that only reason he can't get laid is cause his country is doing well. Keep doing your part anon
CyberWanker@reddit
Just accept its gonna change and theres virtually nothing you can do to stop it. The universe is ever changing, always shifting and moving. This goes for human culture as well.
Human culture is becoming less of a small local based phenomena and more of a large planetary one. As human develop and communicate more, our cultures will merge, and create something new.
Don't think of it as culture being removed or dissapearing, its more so becoming part of a greater, more complex and vast network of cultures that unify as "human". As long as human culture stays alive, so do I.
VermicelliSea8928@reddit
Bro's been watching to much Whatifalthist
SolarAU@reddit
Man that came up in my recommended some time ago and I was genuinely interested until it became clear the guy was just twisting historical fact to fit into his own ideological worldview.
I just wanted to watch cool history bros
tomroot293@reddit
we stan a schizophrenic king
MacTheVII@reddit
Anon says you had to invent calculus to get pussy but doesn't realise Isaac Newton, who invented calculus died a virgin.
FJkookser00@reddit
And whaddaya know it’s happening now too
zabickurwatychludzi@reddit
The dichotomy between 4chinners and the likes' lamenting over lack of temperance in the society and their whining that they're not off pussy on a silver platter is funny, especially considering it's probably oftentime coming from the same men.
gLu3xb3rchi@reddit
Yes, bc me fucking some femboy bussy instead of making kids with females will make neighboring countries invade, got it…
Icy-Cup@reddit
Well, no kids means no soldiers… so checks out?
Bobbyjets@reddit
You've doomed us all with your gay
secondarycontrol@reddit
So...the wealthy can, by making the rest of the people uptight, by restricting their access to the joys and happiness of life, drive the rest of the society to serve them - all the while they (the wealthy) flaunt those mores, those controls, that they've beaten the poor people over the head with.
Wherein other societies (absent a wealthy overclass imposing those constricting social structures) the people are content to leave their neighbors alone and get on with the business of living a happy, fulfilling life.
Wait...that's not the direction that I was supposed to go, was it?
KeekuBrigabroo@reddit
Random hookups = less joy vs. marriage
You aren't being deprived sex, you're just being deprived the kind of sexual activity that deadens your soul instead of strengthening society by growing deep roots
the_fresh_cucumber@reddit
I know quite a number of married people that would say the opposite
ZenPyx@reddit
Marriage is such a joyful exercise that strengthens society so much that a majority of them end in divorce, with a quarter ending before the first decade
Maybe you need to actually have a hookup or two before you decide how joyless they are
secondarycontrol@reddit
That's just your opinion. The people that enjoy "random hookups" don't give a fuck about you and your monogamous relationship - It's the monogamists that seem dead set in punitively codifying their lifestyle. Just like most atheists don't care about your religion - but the true believers do seem to enjoy the eternal torture of atheists - and have found, in the past, that the kindest thing that they can do is to help the atheists along to that reward.
peepeeinmypajts@reddit
First of allno Second I don't care i just wanttofuck and play arkham games sometimes fuck off
MechwolfMachina@reddit
This sounds like the death of your bloodline but whatever right, get to LARP as brraaaaapmaaan
racinreaver@reddit
lol, death of your bloodline wtf does that even mean. We're all fucking related.
Goochtoucher@reddit
Hard times. Hard men. Hard men. Good times. Good times. Soft men.
Bobbyjets@reddit
Good times. I'm hard.
ZarathustraGlobulus@reddit
Getting punani isn't just some singular end all be-all.
You could argue this same thing about wealth. And societies where people inherit wealth are bad because they don't incentivize new generations to build shit.
SergenteA@reddit
It's always wealth inequality.
Roman Republic? Fell because the Senators were monopolising land and the soldiers weren't getting any. Western Roman Empire? Same deal, except they weren't giving land to now foreign soldiers, since the Plebians had stopped giving enough of a shit to form endless legions to stop invaders.
Chinese Empire and Nationalist Republic? Made the peasants angry because the tyrannical landlords weren't even managing to defeat invaders with all their exploitation.
Russian Tsardom, Hasburg Empire, German Empire? The people rebelled because they were feeling the impact of the war far more than the elites that started it.
OzuraTayuu@reddit
fake: anon can read
gay: sucking off 20th c. autists
Fearless_Occasion989@reddit
That's just Ibn Khaldun but autistic.
osugaxotas@reddit
100% scientific
Arstanishe@reddit
fake: strict monogamy as a driving force in civilization
gay: anon jerks to early 20th century men who wrote historical works
BaldLivesMatter93@reddit
So its the women gatekeeping pussy thats driving us forward as a species. We need to classify this information before the women know about this
Name_Taken_Official@reddit
Society doesn't tell men to build cathedrals or invent math any more smh my head
Herzyr@reddit
Empire getting steamrolled by a tribe? that's just internal decay from incompetence/corruption that even a breeze would have toppled them eventually.