Leeds and London - what was the cost of living back in the 70s and early 80s for a young couple?
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Hi, I’m doing some research for a (fanfiction) story I’m writing where the main character is a struggling musician from Leeds. In the first few chapters his wife, who’s an accountant, decides to leave him a couple years after they move to London in 1979 because he doesn’t manage his time well between his band and her. I’ve done some research and know food was relatively cheap then, but if he didn’t have steady work performing and recording as an indie musician (only one album, an EP, a couple singles and at least one tour, likely self-funded, with studio time for more music) and they were relying on her salary, which was less than what men earned, would they have had enough money to pay the bills? Aside from water and electricity, their car and maybe the TV license, what else could they have had to pay? In my current version, he has a full time job as a shop manager, but I’m thinking of changing that so she has a reason other than him not being there for her to leave. Thank you for any info you can give, I’d really appreciate it. I love hearing about what life was like back then 🙏 Sorry if this doesn’t fit
spiderplant94@reddit
What kind of home do you envisage them living in?
My mother (mid 80s) lived in digs in London while doing bar work, cleaning, delivering sandwiches etc. She wasn't on the bones but she wasn't on the streets either.
I think in some respects it was much easier to find cheap accommodation if you weren't fussy about location. I can't imagine many people today living in zone 2 while working behind a bar.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Yes digs were still a thing then. The house boom in prices meant they disappeared.
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
What kind of housing was digs?
spiderplant94@reddit
It's a room in a house or flat, the landlord/lady lives in a different room or they might have the ground floor and tenants have the upstairs.
Bills/utilities would be included and you would get meals included - usually breakfast and tea.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
It was popular with single people.
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
Would’ve been crowded for a young couple then
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Just normal. Plenty of couples including me stayed in a bedsit which was just a double bedroom with a small cooker and sink.
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
How did you feel about it?
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Not my ideal accommodation, but we were fine. We didn't have space to have friends round or to have much stuff, but we didn't have the money to have much stuff either.
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
So with what I said in the OP would it be likely they’d be living in digs too? Seems like it was really hard to find steady work back then
spiderplant94@reddit
Yeah absolutely could be living in digs.
It was really common, especially for younger people. Also for some of those young people's parents they preferred for them to be living in digs becuase it was "respectable" and you knew they were getting a square meal every day.
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
Thank you
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
Hi, sorry for replying late. I actually imagine them living in a rented two story flat, with the bedroom stuffed half full with the husbands music gear… no kids but if they did it would be very complicated without her mom’s help
Pollywantsacracker97@reddit
Food wasn’t relatively cheap then. It’s much more affordable nowadays.
I was training as an accountant in the mid eighties and I remember my boss telling me he and his family couldn’t afford to eat meat except on Sundays when they’d have a roast dinner. Rest of the week it was mostly cheap minced meat( frozen and lots of gristle) and cheap sausages ( more bread than meat in those) and eggs. As a trainee accountant my yearly salary was £7000. Barely covered rent on a flat in london let alone other expenses. Interest rates were very high by the end of the eighties, nearly 15% Early eighties no one under 30 ate beef or lamb unless they were really well off. Spaghetti bolognaise was a staple with the aforementioned mince. I could go on, but I won’t. It’s too depressing
dinobug77@reddit
I remember my mum doing the food shopping and she would go once a month and if we ran out then we ran out (except fresh vegetables once a week) so if we had a pack of ham for sandwiches it was used in the first week and we didn’t have ham again until the next month.
We used to have a lot of potatoes as they were much cheaper than rice or pasta.
Meat wise was mainly pork as it was cheapest.
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
Hi, thanks for answering. Slowly getting through all of these. What sort of things did you have as vegetables? Were salads a thing back then? As for pork, was it cooked until dry like I’ve read it used to be?
dinobug77@reddit
For me it was a lot of simple foods. Potatoes, carrots and other basic seasonal veg like runner beans. Used to get from a farm shop back when farm shops were cheaper.
Salads were iceberg lettuce, tomatoes and cucumber only. Salad cream more than mayo. No dressings.
Spag Bol, lasagne, stuffed marrow. A roast at the weekend and then meatloaf and leftovers after that. Kidneys and liver were also on the menu as well as cheaper meats like sausages and mince.
Meat was tough and vegetables were soft!! Got better when I started a Saturday job in the butchers as we always got a goodie bag at the end of the day.
Turns out a lot of what I didn’t like as a kid was just how my mum cooked it!!
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
Thank you for sharing, that tells me my oc couple wouldn’t be having spaghetti and meatballs unless it was a special occasion. Hope times are better now considering austerity is still going on in the UK
ZeroFrogsHere@reddit
Hello! My dad bought his first in Leeds - harehills - in the 1970s for £8k with a 10% deposit of £800. My dad was in this mid 20s when he did this.
Harehills is not a particularly nice area of Leeds but my dad was able to afford this as a truck driver with no financial help from his family or a partner.
When my dad met my mother in the late 80s my mum was a single mother to my two older siblings and lived on a council estate in Woodhouse. They both worked full time and went on a lot of dates to concerts in the west Indian centre in allerton, went on the odd camping holiday in France with my older siblings and all in all enjoyed a very comfortable way of living because they lived in poorer areas of the city.
I'm not sure all of this is of use to you, but may help give you an idea of what working class couples were up to back then
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
Sorry for the late reply! Follow-up question: What could my character have afforded if he was working at a record store and living with a flatmate before getting married? I see him as having grown up in the area so he was living with relatives until moving in with a friend. Your dad must’ve done really well to have bought a house
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Truck drivers earned a good wage. He would have been much better off than ops family.
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
What kind of flat could they have afforded vs a house?
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
Hi! Interesting because i see my main character as having grown up in that area. What could he have afforded if he was working at a record store and living with a flatmate before getting married? Hope your life is doing better now
funnystuff79@reddit
I believe mortgage interest rates were around 15% at those times, you could confirm. So house repayments were expensive and stressful.
Children were/are expensive
Ok_Corner5873@reddit
Mortgage rates went up to 17.5% at one point, wasn't long after that lenders started taking into account, partners income in mortgage applications, because the housing market stagnated, was counter productive because house prices rose based on joint income
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
So it would’ve made it hard for them to get a house
Ok_Corner5873@reddit
My mortgage payments doubled due to the change in interest rates. Yes it was hard to afford to buy
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
What kind of flat would you have been able to rent?
Ok_Corner5873@reddit
Before buying we had a one bedroom flat, small kitchen, sitting room and bathroom for what we were paying for the mortgage. In the north east so not anywhere expensive
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
That must’ve been hard to afford while buying food and things! That sounds a lot like what my characters rented in London - back in Leeds they were living separately with flatmates.
apocalyptic_brunch@reddit (OP)
Hi! Finally got a chance to reply. Good thing the main character and his wife don’t have kids (though she wanted one) - sounds like she would’ve needed help
Fit-Thanks-3834@reddit
Bought first house in 1975 with £400 deposit gifted by grandma, for £3400 - a through terrace house with garden in Halifax. Can’t remember what the mortgage was but you could check.
Husband was earning about £30 a week and I got nearly as much. He got made redundant 3 times with declining textile industry but I had a civil service job by then. His parents used to give us a box of groceries most weeks.
Entertainment was expensive but working men’s clubs had cheap beer, and meat raffles were common. My parents had an allotment so we had food from there too.
Food was relatively expensive, so we didn’t eat out much apart from the odd fish and chips.
One_Complex6429@reddit
I got the sack for refusing to wear a skirt to work.
One_Complex6429@reddit
in the mid 1970s I worked near London in my first job from school and earnt £18 per week.
At 20 i moved north and earnt £20 a week. Rent was £10 a month for room in a shared house. We owned virtually nothing, our shelving was made from cardboard boxes and planks. We mended our own car engines with parts from the breakers yard, when it couldnt be mended we cycled everywhere or walked or got the bus. Really, life was simple. It wasnt until the mid 1980s that consumerism took off.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Food was more expensive then, but far plainer. You simply couldn't get a lot of fruit and vegetables for example, that you can get easily now. During the seventies in 1974, we had the three day week, so it depends when on the seventies. Watch if you can The Family set in 1974, the first reality show in the seventies following a working class family. He was a bus conductor or bus driver, she worked in a greengrocers. They had four children and lived in a three bedroom rented flat above the greengrocers. It is very accurate at showing how working class people lived. Younger people talking about their parents as adults always get the reality wrong. You are writing your novel during a time of social upheaval. Mid seventies is very different from early eighties. Thatcher was elected in 1979 and some areas of the country went downhill. So Leeds at this time had very high unemployment, lots of derelict and uncared for buildings and shops. It was what would be described as gritty but with a good punk and alternative scene. A family would be having a hard time, school roofs would have probably leaked, been sent home during winter because the boiler broke down. London had high unemployment with Brixton riots in 1981, but the city was beginning to boom, so some people had a lot of money. Renting somewhere was cheaper than now. Places like hackney for example were relatively cheap, but much grimmer and more dangerous. Although the middle class were buying houses and taking in lodgers to pay for the mortgage. But there was also much more street homelessness, because although rents were relatively cheap, they were still beyond the reach of some. Eighties was the pool tax that thatcher introduced. Read more about the times, otherwise it's going to be very inaccurate. And don't rely on people on Reddit as you will get some imagined utopia where everyone was buying a four bedroom house in central London on a bus drivers wage. People talk a lot of rot.
AndrewHinds67@reddit
The poll tax didn't come in until 1990 in England. 1989 in Scotland.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Ah sorry about that
MolassesInevitable53@reddit
They would probably pay a gas bill as well as an electric bill.
They might have had a house phone (land line) for which there would be a quarterly standing charge as well as a cost for the calls.
They would have to pay rates (like today's council tax).
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Probably not a phone if they were struggling financially. Anyone poor didn't.
MolassesInevitable53@reddit
My family didn't have one, but everyone else I knew did.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Not in mid seventies they wouldn't have. Just googled it and only 42 per cent of households had a phone in mid seventies. It was better off people who did. Early 1980s they will probably have had a phone, but not guaranteed. By then it was more common
Fibro-Mite@reddit
Yep. We were the first family in our street to get a phone in about 1975... which lead to the occasional knock on the door of a neighbour asking if they could use the phone, with a 10p clutched in their hand to leave in the little box my parents got to keep next to said phone. When we left there in 1977 to move to Canada, we were still the only house with a phone.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
You had to pay a lot to have a phone connection put in. I am sure it was about £90 in 1990, which is about £265 today. It only changed In about 1992 with diamond cable who did not ask for a connection fee who started installing lines, so bt quickly dropped the connection fee as well. That's when virtually everyone got a landline.
MolassesInevitable53@reddit
You may have Googled it. I lived it.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
I lived it too. Please don't make assumptions. I know I did not have a phone then. But I googled it in case my situation was unusual, it wasn't. I spent many hours in public phone box's that smelled of piss.
Ok_Corner5873@reddit
The phone was a red box, that you had to feed with coins on a regular basis, they used to be quite common.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Yep and knocking on the door if someone was having a long conversation to hurry them up.
InternationalRide5@reddit
I rented in the late 80s/early 90s.
The phone was Incoming Calls Only so we couldn't run up a bill.
MolassesInevitable53@reddit
I rented in the late 70s I couldn't afford a phone. But most people I knew had one.
SnooDonuts6494@reddit
Depends what you mean by London. They might be way out in Zone 4/5 or something.
What else - rent/mortgage, council tax, phone, gas, TV rental, train/bus... and you said "car" but what about all that entails - petrol, tax, insurance, repairs, MOT, etc.
Ok_Win_2592@reddit
Obviously the gender pay gap still exists even now but equal pay was enshrined in law by then and a professional woman, such as an accountant, is likely to have had (and expected) equal pay - although absolutely fewer opportunities. In 1979 my friend was a trainee accountant in London on £2,750 and that was rubbish money. In 1983 I shared a shabby one bed flat in London with my boyfriend and it cost us £62 a week including gas/electric. No washing machine (that didn’t seem unusual). This was a good deal but not amazing. He earned more than me (maybe £6,500 pa) as I’d only just graduated. Our weekly food budget was £20. We ate out cheaply sometimes, went to gigs, went to Greece on holiday. The trainee accountant had qualified and earned loads more!
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
And you are right that although there was equal pay legislation, women, especially professionals, typically earned significantly less than men.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Also no childcare vouchers. So only the well off could afford childcare although there were a few charity run nurseries and after-school clubs about. You usually had to be deemed needy to get a place. It's why lots of women didn't work until their kids went to school, or only worked the hours a relative could look after them for free. By about eight kids from poorer working class families were latch key kids. Key tied around their neck on twine and they let themselves into an empty house. And all the old buildings were blackish with soot. This was before the big clean up of older public buildings.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Also in terms of food, certainly in the seventies nearly all working class families had dinner with a pile of bread buttered with Marge on the table. This was to fill you up, because food was expensive so portions were smaller.
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