Dell Precision 5680/5690 Crashing on Teams Meetings All Drivers & BIOS Updated, Still No Fix
Posted by Natural-Key-4846@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 60 comments
Users with Dell Precision 5680 and 5690 laptops are experiencing a critical issue: when joining a Microsoft Teams meeting, the system crashes completely. The laptops become unresponsive, and the only way to restore functionality is by performing a hard reset (power reset). We have already performed several troubleshooting steps, including updating all drivers and the BIOS. Unfortunately, none of these actions have resolved the issue. At this point, we have tried nearly all standard solutions, but the problem persists. Does anyone have experience with this issue or suggestions on how to resolve it? Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
xy-k-@reddit
Are you still seeing these issues? Just tried the April update and it reduced the frequency of crashes but still occurring.. 5680.
MightBeDownstairs@reddit
It’s the NPU a driver. Install from the intel website and your golden. This is happening on our Pro Plus
Sharp_Front8084@reddit
5680s do not have this driver so how can it be that?
Sharp_Front8084@reddit
We have the exact same problem on a growing number of 5680s. (5680s do NOT have a NPU driver). About 20 devices all crashing upon the camera turning on. We have tried literally everything (drivers, BIOS, registry changes, updating win update, hardware acceleration) and found that its related the Feb windows update. We cant roll back everyone in our studio to the Jan update or re-image everyone's laptop. I raised a ticket with Dell and Microsoft but they are useless. Im a lost with what to do apart from disabling everyone camera.
Green_Item6180@reddit
We experienced this same issue a few months ago and ended up installing Intel Driver Assistance to install anything we could. Not sure which specific driver helped but we no longer have any reports of Teams crashing on these devices.
tzigon@reddit
What do the crash logs point to as the culprit?
Have you disabled hardware excelleration in Teams?
Felixisshrek@reddit
There are no crash logs and the new teams does not have hardware acceleration
tzigon@reddit
Have you tried sacrificing a chicken to Jubo?
Professional-Heat690@reddit
Log a ticket with Dell and not reddit?
Natural-Key-4846@reddit (OP)
We already did this with 20 laptops... seems like a software issue, not hardware.
RCTID1975@reddit
Then why are you focusing on hardware in your post?
Felixisshrek@reddit
Where did they focus on hardware?
ccsrpsw@reddit
If your are going around and around with tech support your Dell rep needs to step in.
secret_configuration@reddit
We are experiencing this issue on Surface Laptop 7 and Surface Pro 11 devices.
There have been other threads on this. The solution in our case was to disable the "Windows Studio Effects" driver. See the below:
https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1or4ugj/fix_for_teams_camera_freezing_on_surface_laptop_7/
Educational_Boot315@reddit
The number of Dell issues we have had over the last few months have skyrocketed to the point I’m actively testing Chromebooks for remote sites.
I’m not sure if it it’s all Dell or if Windows has some to blame but just on the hardware side alone, we have around 30% warranty claims in the first year on every AMD based Dell Pro Plus laptop we’ve ordered and we’ve switched back to Intel chipsets. Hardware issues seem to be less on those, but we are constantly fighting software/driver issues.
drooooob@reddit
Yeah this seems a Dell issue but if it was me, I'd wipe one computer fully, load it with a basic Windows install, don't put any software on it other than what comes pre installed. Install Teams, test a video call and see what happens. If Dell isn't seeing anything it sounds like your environment is likely the issue given this isn't happening widespread to anyone else.
TheJesusGuy@reddit
I specifically remove all the Dell partitions on their laptops as they keep reinstalling Display Manager, supportassist and all the other crap. Dell Command is all you need.
Legionof1@reddit
And put it on a dedicated unfiltered vlan.
drooooob@reddit
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Flexhead@reddit
Working in oem hw support getting our users to do this step is like pulling teeth. Testing on our preload isn't required for an escalation but it sure is helpful to pinpoint environment vs hardware.
fanofreddit-@reddit
Exactly, I would hope this would have already been attempted before spending time posting in an IT forum about it. Take that model and a laptop without that issue, reimage/wipe load fresh OS. Test them with the exact same steps, same environment/connection, what happens?
RCTID1975@reddit
This. In fact, I'd argue wiping a device is a standard troubleshooting step, and should be used more frequently.
ericjgriffin@reddit
This is definitely the way to go at this point.
Apprehensive_Bat_980@reddit
Presume this is using the Teams app? Have you tried using the browser version?
Apprehensive_Bat_980@reddit
I’ve had issues with video drivers on Dell Precisions 3580’s. They get completely screwed up when docked via USB C. I remove all video drivers, Windows then finds the correct driver again and works.
sean_no@reddit
It took me sending over a dozen tickets and nagging my rep to get them to cop to a hardware issue on lat 5440s. They've (quietly) released like 10 drivers and 3-4 firmware updates plus weird hot fixes and sometimes nothing works. We resorted to sending webcams with this model.
Good luck. I don't have any hope for you.
RagingITguy@reddit
Wait what's the issue on the 5440s? I'm using one now and I hate it. Don't know if it's absolutely low thermal throttling or what it is.
sean_no@reddit
Just the integrated cam shits itself randomly. Disappears from devmgmt completely. Do a bios upgrade or downgrade and it's back! Until it's not. Honestly otherwise the 5440s have been great, granted we spec em with i7s and 32gb.
RagingITguy@reddit
Oddly enough my camera is the one of the few things that does work properly. Mine is i5 32GB. Mine just has severe performance issues in windows 11. Processor likes to throttle badly even though it's well within thermal limited. Optimizer doesn't really help. Bah. Would be great if all I did was open outlook all day.
sean_no@reddit
Hahah, sorry to laugh but after all the years and models... 5400s, 5410, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. They're all unique in their quirks and it's enough to keep us crying and praying to some unholy aberration on the altar of Dell.
Ferretau@reddit
I've seen issues like this with previous Dell laptops in the past. The only solution was a hard reset of the entire device to get the cam back up. Painful when the hardware/software doesn't make doing that easy any more.
pbjamm@reddit
probably UFO based issue.
sean_no@reddit
My mind was fragile already and now you've gone and done it.
Gwigg_@reddit
Going add this. We use HP Elitebook x2 an and have had the same issue. It’s crashes or grinds. Opening a local excel to share takes 30 seconds. Quit teams and it’s instant. WiFi or hard wire makes no difference. Utter shite.
doubleknocktwice@reddit
Nothing like causing trouble to the end user with no fix. We just swap device and hope that fixes it.
flushemout@reddit
We had the same exact problem a few months ago and think it may have been related to a webcam driver.
shenlyu@reddit
Nothing in the event viewer?
nosferatoothz@reddit
Did you check the mini dump file? If it’s not enough info, then configure full dump and check that one.
holiday-42@reddit
Am not near a PC but I believe there is an option to disable using GPU? I'D say to try that. .
acjshook@reddit
Last I checked in new teams it was missing. TBF this was a few months ago. Teams always causes my screen to go black when using a kvm or port replicator and was trying to find a way to disable hardware acceleration.
raymond_w@reddit
Are you using integrated Intel video? In my environment it only impacted my triple monitor users. I managed to figure out a fix. Obscure registry change related to Intel video settings did it.
Natural-Key-4846@reddit (OP)
Can you tell me more about the solution?
raymond_w@reddit
Story time?
So when Microsoft switched to New Teams, all of my desktop users with triple monitors started having this problem where a display would go black while interacting with Teams. Not just when joining a Teams meeting. Simply dragging the Teams window around could cause one of the monitors to go black. It very much felt like an issue that disabling Hardware Acceleration in Teams would solve. But as we all know, MS offered that option in Classic Teams but not New Teams. As an aside, this issue also occurs with with New Outlook. But nobody really uses that.
After some digging and testing, I figured out how manually disable hardware acceleration in New Teams by editing the "Local State" file in the EBWebView folder. This fixed the problem. For around 1.5 years anyway. Then Microsoft stopped respecting the setting to disable hardware acceleration in the Local State file and the issue came back for my triple monitor users.
So back to the drawing board. I ended up procmon-ing the hell out of everything to find out what files and settings were in play when Teams was both launched and when the issue occurs. Then doing literal line by line registry setting comparisons when I managed to find some interesting behavior. One day I stumbled upon a solution involving changing a bit value for an Intel video setting to disable something. I'm not 100% what it disables, as there isn't much good documentation from Intel on the specific bit value change I made. There is a fair amount of chatter involving changing another bit value within the same registry value to disable Adaptive Brightness.
Onto the change. This solution was specifically targeted to fix an issue with displays going black while using New Teams or New Outlook while using integrated Intel video. I've only tested this with computers using integrated Intel video. I don't know that it will help with your issue since the symptom described in your post is very different. But I suppose it does not hurt to give it a try. Perhaps others might find this helpful.
Browse to the following registry key
Expand this key. You will find some number of keys named 0000, 0001, 0002 and so forth. If you have multiple video adapters, virtual or physical, you will have more numbered keys. Browse the numbered keys until you identify the one related to your video card. Most commonly it will be 0000. But it is system dependent.
Within the correct numbered key, locate a DWORD Value named: "FeatureTestControl". For the computers in my environment, the value was 1200 in Hex which translates to 4608 in decimal. The solution is to increment the value of the last bit by 1. So in my case, changing the value from 1200 to 1201. It was easier for me to change via PowerShell using decimal. So when I scripted the change, it was 4608 to 4609.
I want to be very clear here. I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO CHANGE THE VALUE TO 1201 or 4609. The instructions are to identify your current value and increment the last bit by 1. If your current value is 8200, change it to 8201. If your current value is 9240 change it to 9241.
Reboot is required for change to take effect. Obviously this is a very blunt instrument fix. Likely is some general negative performance impact for graphics as a result of this. But given the criticality of Teams in our environment, it was worth any unknown tradeoff.
holiday-42@reddit
Yeah, crud.
It can be done by editing config.json :/
IMO worth a shot to see if that helps until the real issue gets fixed.
5GallonsOfMayonaise@reddit
We had a similar issue with newer dell laptops where the the camera or whole system would freeze when joining a new meeting and dsiabling NPU (Intel AI Boost) resolved it
twatcrusher9000@reddit
my first guess would be the webcam or mic, try deleting them from device manager. both of those things will fire up when you join a meeting.
if that's the case you can buy a bunch of webcams or headsets until you sue dell for all your money back
LonelyWizardDead@reddit
disconencted from any dock?
does it do the same on other user profile?
red_fury@reddit
About 4 months ago I noticed that dell was dropping the ball with posting fresh and good downloads on some of the Intel chipset, mass storage, and wlan/BT drivers. The only way I could find working drivers was grabbing the hardware IDs for all the Intel components and downloading them straight from Intel. Anymore I just pull Intel drivers straight from their repo. Precisions usually come with a separate discrete GPU definitely check the gfx drivers, and go straight to amd or Nvidia for those.
No_Yesterday_3260@reddit
Intel Driver and support assistant it pretty good for that. It'll scan the hardware and give newest drivers for the intel hardware ;o
red_fury@reddit
I've definitely used update utilities before but with varied degrees of success. But what started this whole saga was dell command update only looking straight to dell for driver updates. We work in an environment that loves to automate but recently these businesses can't be trusted and I've reverted back to the manual method for some of our devices as if I were 10 years younger.
Moist_Ask_8594@reddit
Lenovo pcs with amd gpus would do the same. All you had to do was update gpu drivers straight from amd website with auto detect ones and thats it, no more pc crashes in teams meetings
BabbatheGUTT@reddit
Ah send it to me, I'd love a laptop that just crashed every time I had to use Teams. Be a godsend!
nytel@reddit
Create a new profile and try it there. Anytime an issue comes up that I am stumped, I do a new user profile and go from there. Or log in as yourself and try first.
gigabyte898@reddit
I don’t have a fix but I’ll just confirm you’re not crazy or missing anything. I have this happening across a fleet of Dells with Intel Ultra chipsets. The whole device locks up and there’s no input but sometimes still audio and video until hard shut down
We’ve tried all the Dell Command drivers Dell SupportAssist and reloaded devices several times. Annoying thing is it’s only a small slice of our fleet but consistent on those affected.
CoffeeOrDestroy@reddit
Same issue here, same model, no help from Dell, Microsoft, or Intel. Have been through 3 warranty replaced system boards, done clean Windows installs, drivers direct from Intel, everything I could think of. Fortunately we only had 3 deployed, so I replaced them with new HPs that so far have had no issues.
RagnarHedin@reddit
See if the web version of Teams behaves any better. That might tell you something, or could possibly be a workaround if it's more stable.
cash38@reddit
On one hand this is terrible, but on the other hand, you have an excuse not to go to meetings.
Trancemaster213@reddit
Microsoft released a notice that the march kb update broke the ability for some users the sign into teams, onedrive, etc. Look into reverting the last KB update as its most likely that.
https://www.neowin.net/amp/microsoft-kb5079473-breaks-internet-access-to-windows-11-teams-edge-onedrive-copilot/
AstralVenture@reddit
Maybe it’s Microsoft.
Loud_Posseidon@reddit
Seriously? Unless you’re getting some crazy good prices AND your application landscape is nothing special, consider moving to Macs. The support will come down to explaining Lucy from accounting how to switch between apps. Use jamf to get everything under control and start living a happy life.
For those who can’t do with Neo, use Pros or keep a stash of different intel-based laptops around.