[Ammo] Norma NXD 9mm Luger, 65gr Copper Projectile, 20 Rounds for $7.99
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Whats the pitch for a use-case on these versus, say, your classic 147gr JHP?
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I've seen tests where regular JHPs get clogged with thick clothing that's worn in cold climates, and sometimes don't get thru clothing with any power, or if they do get thru, the clogged tip makes them behave like FMJs and sometimes overpenetrate. So these should go right thru all that clothing like FMJs, but the screw effect on the bullet tip makes the wound bigger and makes the bullet tumble or otherwise behave differently than a FMJ once it hits soft tissue. Also a lighter bullet should have less recoil. I have a couple boxes of these laying around, as well as some underwood. They function fine in all my 9s, but no youtube test ive seen gets the stated speeds out of them. And I do load them up in the winter here in the northern US as long as I've got them.
Ketch451@reddit
I’ve tested the NXD in 9mm, .40, and 10mm. 9mm got 1927 fps (stated 1730); .40 got 1575 (stated 1530); 10mm got 1768 (stated 1748). So these rounds OVERPERFORMED in ALL cases.
Accomplished_Egg7069@reddit
Wow. Being above stated numbers is surprisi g, but to that extent is also. Maybe I was remembering the numbers for the Norma MHPs? Like I said, I do load them up in my carry during the winter, and your numbers make me feel a little better about that.
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Yeah, I bought a BUNCH of Norma .40 FMJ, stated energy of 504 ft-lbs. My tests showed 406 ft-lbs, and that’s out of a G40 (406 ft-lbs) 6” barrel and G35 (401 ft-lbs) 5.3” barrel. So, absolutely TERRIBLE numbers. G22, PX4, and TH40 numbers were 382, 381, 345. Awful. That said, the Norma NXD rounds ALL performed very much better than the stated values.
Junction91NW@reddit
Unless you live under an expanding ammo ban there isn’t one. Idk what YouTuber shoots gelatin in his back yard video you want to show me; these will never get enough penetration for me to choose them over a classic 115/124/147 hollow point
Ketch451@reddit
That’s incorrect. They penetrate well, even better in many cases than a traditional lead JHP.
BenDover42@reddit
The only expanding copper projectiles I’ve seen that may be worth carrying are some of the Barnes that I believe Buffalo bore loads in various calibers. Some of that penetrate to the same depth but at that point you’re just paying more money for similar performance to traditional JHPs with a lead core.
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Assuming they both have the same final puzzle energy, the 147gr round will have a LOT more recoil. A lighter faster round minimizes both recoil AND POI drop over short distances. Heavier rounds are better at holding their energy and momentum over longer distances. So, for self defense, the NXD 65gr round is simply WAY aside to shoot, and their non-expanding hydro-shock design is at least the equivalent of a JHP, and better at penetrating barriers and still functioning as intended.
Ok_Crab_3522@reddit
copper is less likely to give you cancer if you load them up in a p320 and it goes off and shoots you in the leg
AnotherAR15noob@reddit
Ha damn this hits the feels, I know a guy that put a hole in his seat and floorboard with a P320. At least it wasn't his leg, eh?
Live_Sprinkles_5830@reddit
Was he claiming it went off on its own or was he messing around with it at the time?
AnotherAR15noob@reddit
Getting out of his car and his P320 was in his holster. Not entirely sure how it happens, but I believe it. There's something with the way the slide is designed that, when tweaked downward on the muzzle end while the gun is cocked and a live round is in the chamber can cause the trigger to actuate the striker safety and ignite the round.
No-Independent-9709@reddit
Lmao literally
DisasterDesigner8134@reddit
These are much lighter to carry and tout on higher velocity. I went down this rabbit hole with simx, novx, and norma..there's less recoil but most jel test would show 4-5 inches of penetration..I once thought no big deal but since settled on more proven alternatives for carry in Liberty Civil Defense and Ultra lights. Test show they're absolutely devastating, makes for very comfortable carry and lower risk of over penetration.
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What? These absolutely do not only get 4-5 inches of penetration. Though light they are solid, non expanding bullets with a high velocity. Though I haven't seen any tests of the 9mm version the 380 gets 12" with much less velocity and mass. These are going to be similar to underwood XD which go about 18" in gel. Liberty civil defense is the absolute worst type of projectile for penetration. Their fragmentation isn't sufficient enough to reach vital organs and the penetrating base is extremely small and light. Could easily be stopped or deflected significantly by bone.
If you can find a case where a bystander has been injured by a bullet that went through a bad guy and injured them in a self defense shooting I would like to see it. Over penetration isn't an issue.
justjaybee16@reddit
One i saw had the 380 at about 12" and the 9MM about 14"
https://youtu.be/mE9_HaWfeUU?si=4nkLMhjR1EW04Xd1
MadMike32@reddit
IMO, home defense. They have acceptable wounding characteristics (better than FMJ, at any rate), but lose energy very quickly through barriers. They're not frangible like you might expect, but they slow quickly enough that overpen is much less dangerous than it would be with full-mass pistol rounds.
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Some places have regulation against expanding ammo
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I've seen tests where regular JHPs get clogged with thick clothing that's worn in cold climates, and sometimes don't get thru clothing with any power, or if they do get thru, the clogged tip makes them behave like FMJs and sometimes overpenetrate. So these should go right thru all that clothing like FMJs, but the screw effect on the bullet tip makes the wound bigger and makes the bullet tumble or otherwise behave differently than a FMJ once it hits soft tissue. Also a lighter bullet should have less recoil. I have a couple boxes of these laying around, as well as some underwood. They function fine in all my 9s, but no youtube test ive seen gets the stated speeds out of them. And I do load them up in the winter here in the northern US as long as I've got them.
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Is this stuff similar to underwood extreme defender?
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Similar wounding mechanism of dished out cuts in the bullet face, but i don't think they are as effective as the underwooods that use the solid copper bullet.
alephnul@reddit
They are advertising that they will ship in "five business days if ordered by"... Get out of here with that stuff. If I order from AEAmmo, it arrives at my house the next day. I don't have to wait a fucking week for them to get around to shipping it.
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Good for when just carrying the lightest pistol made is still too heavy for you. /s
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