[parts] FN PS90 FRT - X-PRT 90 (FRT90) – $450 + s/t
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Pre order for a summer production run. No notes on timeline.
Also requires modding existing trigger pack.
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ArmFun4566@reddit
Not my cup of tea but I'm here for it. If they opened the registry you'd be out 200 registering your PS90 as a transferrable. This way you pay 400 and no government horseshit, unless full on societal collapse kicks off full auto is a range toy, and 400 is pennies compared to the artificially inflated transferrable market where a rando beat to hell AR lower goes for the price of a nice used Toyota Corolla.
PeaCocksDude@reddit
And we wait for the price drop, can not justify this foolish price.
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
It’s not gonna drop
akenthusiast@reddit
No, but somebody will clone it
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
They’ll charge $250+ still, have likely zero support or return policy, and likely have nowhere close to the machining tolerances. It’s the kind of difference you see between someone with experience in this field (Dorin/FNSpecialties) and someone like Duality Arms that still hasnt figured out their vector FRT and are trying to move on to the next thing.
To each their own, but sometimes there’s a justifiable reason for the cost.
JoseDeertay@reddit
I gladly gave Dorin my money back in January. He is established and has been reliable when it comes to FN, happy to pay the asking price to have a 3 position FRT in my PS90. While all these people are crying about the cost, I will enjoying my SBRd PS90 that will function the same as a P90, with balls restored the way God intended.
akenthusiast@reddit
Sure, maybe.
I'm sure this took some doing to figure out and I'm sure they're well made but at the end of the day what they're selling is 3 very small, relatively simple machined pieces of 17-4 stainless.
There is no shortage of enterprising and talented machinists out there who could start cranking these out very cheaply.
There's even more not so talented machinists and I'll bet some of those guys will take a crack at it too.
Same as anything new. Some of them will be junk, some of them will be good. The market will figure it out
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
And I welcome them to attempt to sell them legally without ripping the design. Because as much as I hate rip offs, I hate thieves more.
akenthusiast@reddit
The website says "patent pending" but I'm skeptical that they've done anything that's actually patentable here.
They didn't invent the FRT and figuring out how to stick something that already exists into something else is what patent lawyers call "obvious"
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
If it’s so obvious why aren’t more people making a killing selling it at $300 right now? It’s almost like research is expensive.
Trustpage@reddit
Not many people are going to commercially make this. Lawsuit risk + PS90 owners is a microscopic market area and they already have deep enough pockets for a PS90 and 5.7.
Smart people will just wait for someone to buy it, then clone it in a 3d modeling software so everyone has access to the exact design. Then easy for even a hobbyists to reproduce, it is not a complicated set of components.
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
So wait for others to take the risk so they can steal and profit? Murica I guess.
Trustpage@reddit
No reading comprehension I guess. People making something for their own personal use is not profiting. It also isn’t even against patent law for most countries besides the US.
Their risk is launching an frt on the commercial market, not coming up with a frt design. If they have any business sense at all they already know and expect that those savvy enough will not buy their product considering its simplicity.
Regardless their patent would only protect their exact design, not the concept of an frt. So anyone could also completely legally use their design to make their own different one with ease.
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
You know damn well those people that are going to take the time to make their own are going to use shitty cast metal and then try and turn around and sell that same thing on Facebook marketplace, tacswap, GAFs, etc. Naive to say otherwise.
I encourage a different design, I love innovation. But I promise you’re just going to see people steal and resell it, not build on it. Because a lot of people in this industry are just scummy.
akenthusiast@reddit
Obviousness has a specific meaning as it relates to patents.
The first time somebody saw an FRT after the first patent for one of those existed and said "that'd be sweet in a PS90" you've satisfied the requirements
Obviousness is about whether or not a "person having ordinary skill in the art" of whatever industry would view your creation as a predictable next step based on things that already exist.
Is about as obvious as it gets, legally speaking
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
I don’t think they’re trying to patent FRT as much as whatever specific component they’re using to perform the reset. Seeing as it’s likely different for a ps90 than anything that currently exists, would that not be something valid to patent? There’s a dozen ways to skin a cat, so if someone comes up with a different reset mechanism that gets you to the same end, that’s kosher.
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Maybe, I'm not the one that's going to sit in a courtroom and defend anything.
I just think that the way FRTs work is pretty simple. Bolt goes forward and hits something, that thing pushes the trigger forward and resets it for you.
That's the way they all work and the exact geometry of those pieces is kind of irreverent.
This product is novel. They were the first to market this exact thing but that's only half the battle. Hell for all I know they filed a patent just to discourage people for a few months. It only costs a few thousand bucks to file a patent, including attorney fees. If that nets them two more months of being the only game in town it will have been worth it for them
redsox985@reddit
Or go the fosscad (rip) angle... One person buys it, does a little calipers'n'CAD, then releases it for free. SCS the sheet metal bits or have it machined by any of the hundreds up upload-quote-buy automated services and you're in business.
If you appreciate their effort, kick in a few bucks to the beer/coffee fund and they'll cover the asinine $450 price tag before too long.
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
So steal because you’re not smart enough to do it yourself?
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JKBRM0242@reddit
Holy moly FN tax. It's almost as much as HK tax.
FadingFX@reddit
I’m an HK fanboy and even I went “ugh” at that price lol
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Cheaper than adding an FRT to the MP5
FadingFX@reddit
Well yeah you gotta afford the MP5 first lol, also I love HK but in no world can you convince me the MP5 is worth 3k
7ddlysuns@reddit
AP5 and Mac work great for about 1k
Enough-Tone-6233@reddit
my buddy bought a mac and had reliability issues for a long time and a lot of rounds it finally is starting to feed more reliably but it’s not a gun i would trust my life with i’d rather get a hk and have something work when i need it to
dryice2063@reddit
PTR is the way to go or clones
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Careful with that hot ammonia
dryice2063@reddit
You’ll get that on them big jobs
HannibalWrecktor@reddit
Sometimes they do as long as you dont get one like mine.
QC on MKE is horrible. I envy those that got a solid working gun out the box.
I should have just bought a real HK, unfortunately.
7ddlysuns@reddit
Yeah fair enough. Mine has been solid from day 1
HannibalWrecktor@reddit
Im jeeaalloouusss. 😭😭
About ~1500 rounds later.. HK ejector, extractor, extractor spring, HK mags, and can only run round nose 124 or higher..
Gonna try this drop in trigger pack when it comes out... really want a K model.. but damn sure not playing the clone lotto again.
Guess Ill have to cough up the $$$ for an actual SP5k 🤷🏿♂️🤦🏿
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Went full-size HK and clone K myself
HannibalWrecktor@reddit
Which clone?
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
AP5-P. Quality doesn’t match HK, but it shoots and is fun!
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
I bought my K clone for $900 total.
GjoniGjoni28@reddit
Was a full kit on this sub for $390 the other day lol
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Yeah technically $350 will get you into one. Even cheaper if you print and SCS the plates yourself. So a bit hyperbolic, but the point is we’re paying to play in all areas of the FRT game.
GjoniGjoni28@reddit
Totally reasonable pricing, especially the mp5 being plug n play.
7ddlysuns@reddit
Well, ya want one or not?
ImDukeCaboom@reddit
Sure, after a bunch of other people pay top dollar to be guinea pigs.
Either the product is solid, in which case cheaper versions will come to market. Or product has issues and you paid a premium to do the RDTE.
Patientence is worth it. Just like new video games, wait a little while the bugs get patched and the price drops. Better product for less.
7ddlysuns@reddit
Depends if you think bans are incoming or not.
ImDukeCaboom@reddit
Doesn't matter, states that have banned FRTs don't grand father them in. See CO for example.
7ddlysuns@reddit
Still want to play with one. Hope they get cheaper. But not waiting too long for it
100konmywristlifesux@reddit
this shop's the hkparts of fn world, sky high prices on everything
they somehow end up with exclusives like this though
Big-Rip5478@reddit
Well… they designed it…
terraNautical22@reddit
This thing single handedly raised the price of the PS90 by $300+.
ForsakenRepublic1776@reddit
It really did. I was looking in January and it was like $1400 at the time and now everywhere it’s $1700.
NewbRedditer@reddit
Yes and i hate it. I was excited to buy one and the price just keeps going up and i refuse to pay the current price.
terraNautical22@reddit
Honestly I'm just going to wait until FN puts out a factory SBRHonestly I'm just going to wait until FN puts out a factory SBR
7ddlysuns@reddit
Kriss and the Ps90 are finally home
ForsakenRepublic1776@reddit
is the deal in the room with us?
Furrealyo@reddit
Am I the only one worried about this getting me put on a list for eventual clawback from the Feds?
Dak_Nalar@reddit
This is less than $50 in parts. $450 for this is criminal. I’ll wait for the print files to come out in a month or two
juggarjew@reddit
I mean thats true of any trigger for any gun, its just a little but of milled/stamped/polished metal. So you might as well just buy mil spec triggers for the rest of your life since you're going to feel like you're getting ripped off constantly. R&D cost money. I mean I didnt see you making a working P90 FRT.
Dak_Nalar@reddit
nice sock puppet account
ultramarioihaz@reddit (OP)
The cost is R&D not the parts themselves.
Dak_Nalar@reddit
It’s a FRT my dude not some new medicine. A 700% markup is insane!
tyraywilson@reddit
But it should be reasonable. 450 isn't
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Then what is since you know what it cost them?
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Yeah because people shouldn’t charge for time, research, risk, lawsuits, etc right?
cfortune4@reddit
Lol charge for lawsuits??? Boy you on one
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Are you dumb enough not to think they don’t factor in legal representation/lawsuits into their pricing? Especially with rare breed suing everyone?
Is everyone in the gun community retarded?
cfortune4@reddit
No just you are buddy. With your logic every FRT released would be $450 or more.
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
You think the tool steel super safeties are worth $126? 😂😂
cfortune4@reddit
Considering they're not even that much and a totally different product, the only conclusion I can draw from this is that you are actually retarded.
CallsignFlorida@reddit
FRT from a Florida company is wild.
If the sell it to me, I’ll be in for a PS90
yogurtlockstone@reddit
Saw that in the GT video, trying to wrap my head around it. Maybe no one gives a fuck?
juggarjew@reddit
They've arrested a guy there for selling FRT at a gun show so it seems weird , maybe the law isnt being applied state wide and it depends on locality, etc.
Remote-Ship-3549@reddit
I pre-ordered because I probably wont be able to get one after july unfortunately
7ddlysuns@reddit
That’s where I’m at. Get em while they’re legal
-1----1-@reddit
Oh there is no doubt I am going to FRT my PS 90 sometime this year but I’m just gonna wait until these things are out and about plus I think there’s another company coming out with one for like $250.
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
If it’s duality arms, that’s gonna be a no from me.
-1----1-@reddit
Just curious, why do you say that?
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Their vector trigger release was and still is dogshit. They’ve done nothing to prove they deserve my money.
7ddlysuns@reddit
The rattl-r seems tricky, but I have a mamba (frt only) that works
Toklankitsune@reddit
theyve been very good about doing right by the customer though, offering free replacements and literal one on one help to make it run. the reason the ps90 one isnt out yet is that theyve learned their lesson and are doing a lot more QC testing so what happened with the vectors DOESNT happen again. imo thats commendable, they could have just given the middle finger and fucked off
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Which is great and all, but I’m still going to pay the FNSpecialties premium to get something I KNOW will be polished and just work.
Toklankitsune@reddit
and there's many others that aren't willing to pay that premium, 5.7 is expensive enough as it is (thankfully cheaper than it used to be though)
I still think $450 for a few parts that the end user still has to install themselves into an existing triggerpack is a crazy ask, I understand r&d costs are part of it but it's still a high price for 3 parts....
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
If they sold it with the trigger pack it would be $750+. And 5.7 is the same price as 5.56.
Toklankitsune@reddit
which I restate, is a crazy asking price imho. if it were $300 even if be more inclined. but you do you, don't have to justify your spending to me xD or anyone
L0ng_St03Ger@reddit
If everything is a machine gun, nothing is a machine gun.
TFlSGAS@reddit
If everything is OP nothing is OP
Poolyeti91@reddit
I rolled the dice on the pre-order for the first round that’s supposed to ship next month. We will see how this goes
xenophonthethird@reddit
Same. Got my tax refund right before orders opened up, so I figured fuck it chuck it send it.
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Same, credit card protections are nice
ultramarioihaz@reddit (OP)
Hell yea! Good on you. Thank you for your service! Hope it runs flawlessly
Poolyeti91@reddit
I figured it was my turn to be the first chump through the door, rather gamble 450 than beta testing whatever new thing sig makes next
xX_Monster97_Xx@reddit
I have thought about this and debated it. But 450 is steep and for it to ship june/july. Ill wait till its more out there and not a pre order.
-1----1-@reddit
Yeah if it was $450 ship tomorrow, I’d give it a go. I think I’ll wait.
X_saber_deval@reddit
At least it’s not rare greed
ultramarioihaz@reddit (OP)
Lawsuit incoming
Toklankitsune@reddit
apparently hes not gone after this one, it must be different enough to not get a C&D
X_saber_deval@reddit
I already got a cease and desist just for commenting.
GrouchTheMongolian@reddit
never preorder. either wait for this to come down, wait for it to get scanned, or make it yourself from the pic.
dad-jokes-about-you@reddit
Yeah lemme just make this from the pic real quick
Mr4ndre55@reddit
Skill issue
dad-jokes-about-you@reddit
Here… lemme send you a picture of a Cadillac Escalade. You have the skills and you have 30 days… go!
Mr4ndre55@reddit
Yeah pretty much the same thing
salem_lakes_armory@reddit
How you think I made the robocop gun? Lots a pics.
Malevolent_G@reddit
Money well spent!
salem_lakes_armory@reddit
Hahahaha, Bixby please!!!! Well can I have ya both?!
ultramarioihaz@reddit (OP)
You forgot another option: convince those more desperate to buy and beta test.
At the end of the day someone has to take on the risk. I would prefer the company making money, fn specialties, take on more risk.
Alternatively make the design open source and work with the community.
GrouchTheMongolian@reddit
im not going to convince anyone to spend 450 anything on a prototype much less this.
RonaldWRailgun@reddit
If I pay today, it ships tomorrow (sure, tomorrow-ish is okay).
Paying with an "unclear timeline", double the fuck no.
HeughJanus@reddit
$450 for a TRIGGER GROUP. absolute fucking clownage hope they get the finger freedom tx22 treatment
S_uperSquirrel@reddit
It's not even a trigger group lol its 3 pieces of aluminum you install in your own trigger pack.
MK12Mod0SuperSoaker@reddit
Not even the full trigger group either. It's 3 pieces and a selector, that YOU have to install. I emphasize that last part because the PS90 trigger group is not a fun one to take apart.
Foreign-Frame-7200@reddit
I got got on the tx22 bs. To make this even better it’s not even the complete trigger group. All it is the hammer and a few other small parts you have to install.
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Looking forward to hopefully receiving mine next month
Island08@reddit
lol not a chance. Also what’s the interchangeability between P90 and AUG trigger packs? They look awfully similar
Next_Entertainer_404@reddit
Similar but not the same. The AUG currently has an SS out
Odayon@reddit
I think the hammer is actually interchangeable.
BootlegBabyJsus@reddit
Ahh hell you are going to make me buy one.
hkdayiu@reddit
This thing looks fun on youtube... can't wait
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