The worst thing countries could do in our life is choose to be a socialist or communist leader in order to fight the exploitation of capitalism. They're sanctioned and embargoed into total collapse. Shills of capitalism then claim their victory and how communism or socialism never works.
It's just how things work. Natural selection for ideology. If I show you a nature documentary of a lion eating a gazelle, is that supposed to be "whataboutism"? It sounds to me like you have a very vague understanding of what logical fallacies are. It's not like a royal flush that you can whip out and put on the table, and post a single word and smirk smugly to yourself. You have to elaborate thoroughly to prove that it is a fallacy, and furthermore, that the fallacy actually undermines your adversary's main point.
That's not really the Cuban position initially after the revolution, it was only after months of sabotage, harassment, and invasion, etc. that Cuba was basically forced into the arms of the Soviets just to survive.
Cuba was trying to normalize relations with the US up to 1960, including trade, to the extent that early Soviet assessments considered Castro a US agent.
It was only AFTER the US applied and began tightening an embargo on Cuba that Cuba sought Soviet economic aid, and only AFTER the US tried to overthrow the Cuban government with the Bay of Pigs invasion that Cuba turned to the Soviets for direct military aid, which then precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis. And it was only AFTER Bay of Pigs and numerous aerial bombings that Cuba announced their intention to become a socialist republic, publicly and directly stating the move was a response to US aggression.
Cuba was not some hyper hostile ideologically militantly socialist state until the United States MADE IT THAT WAY.
>Cuba was not some hyper hostile ideologically militantly socialist state until the United States MADE IT THAT WAY.
I mean, this makes it sound like it wasn't Castro's plan the entire time. He was well known to be socialist, he didn't really hide it.
Alot of people are socialist, but that covers alot of ground, a democratic socialist like, for example, Bernie Sanders probably isn't going to create a Soviet style Socialist Republic aligned with the USSR if he is given free reign over Vermont to have everything he wants.
However if he's given free reign to get everything he wants and then the US immediately begins firebombing farms and factories, applies a massive economic embargo, commits widespread sabotage, sets up propaganda outlets in an attempt to turn your population into cheerleaders for US empire, uses the Vermontese diaspora as agents to attack you, and attempts an invasion to oust you and set up a US proxy government, Bernie might be forced to radicalize a bit to survive.
Obviously US propagandists will turn around and blame your militarism on some dastardly plan to attack the US (instead of the need to defend yourself from clear US aggression), the US will turn around and blame your authoritarianism on how evil and dictatorial you are (instead of on the US attempts to constantly destabilize and disrupt your country which makes the authoritarianism necessary to maintain any kind of independence), the US will turn around and blame your bad economy on your incompetence (instead of the decades long embargo), but thats just what the US does. Create horrible conditions and then blame the victims, and the dumbfuck Americans lap it up as the US rushes into yet another war, commits yet another coup, ruins yet another country.
Historically there was a clear progression from attempts at friendly relations between Cuba and the US to militarized defense of Cuba against the US, and that progression was marked at every step by the US directly and indirectly attacking Cuba at every opportunity, so yeah, thats pretty definitionally a radicalization driven by external force.
Clearly not a radical in terms of foreign policy toward the US until the US forced it on him, nor was he explicitly a communist (and in fact directly said he was not one) unlike some of the others in the revolution, US intelligence assessed him as having no communist leanings (see links below), it was again only AFTER the US drove him away and into the arms of the Soviets in 1961, after the Bay of Pigs invasion, that he declared himself a Marxist-Leninist as a reaction to US imperialist aggression against Cuba.
Also not sure how he was able to be a dictator before he came to power, sounds like a great magic trick though.
No offense but it sounds like your opinion of Castro and of Cuba has been set by US propaganda.
Here's some stuff:
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP91-00901R000500110013-0.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79R00904A001000050011-6.pdf
So I dunno man, the Dulles and the CIA aren't exactly hippies, I'm pretty sure if they don't think Castro is a commie or even a socialist, he probably wasn't one.
“My own appraisal of him as a man is somewhat mixed. The one fact we can be sure of is that he has those indefinable qualities which make him a leader of men. Whatever we may think of him he is going to be a great factor in the development of Cuba and very possibly in Latin American affairs generally. He seems to be sincere. He is either incredibly naive about Communism or under Communist discipline—my guess is the former, and as I have already implied his ideas as to how to run a government or an economy are less developed than those of almost any world figure I have met in fifty countries.
“But because he has the power to lead to which I have referred, we have no choice but at least to try to orient him in the right direction.”
Richard Nixon to president Eisenhower after meeting Castro in April 1959 just two months after he was sworn in as prime minister.
Are you suggesting he was radicalized into communism in two months before having done much of anything, or the US having really taken any action against him? Heck at this stage it seemed like they were still willing to work with him even as an assumed communist.
That's Nixon at the height of the cold war, in the 50's, in private, and Nixon is STILL not sure if the man is a committed communist.
So no he wasn't radicalized in "two months", it would be over a year before he went to the Soviets for economic aid and even more before asking for direct military assistance and committing himself to communism (again this was clearly the result of US attacks DRIVING HIM THERE, not because he was secretly some big scary commie).
Castro wasn't the issue, Batista was. Well, that and all the other US meddling:
t the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands—almost all the cattle ranches—90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions—80 percent of the utilities—practically all the oil industry—and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports.
> Dismantling all of the US' interests
You really going to pretend like you'd accept any other nations claim to American industry on American soil on their terms? You're just arguing in a circle that you don't think these people are human.
I'm not saying what they should or shouldn't have done, just that it's preposterous to claim they were cozying up to the US until the US pushed them away with sanctions and war for no reason
That’s relatively consistent with Vietnam as well.
Initially an attempt was made with respect towards American ideology regarding liberty, but then it quickly soured when the Cold War became an us vs them, and thus justified every act against Cuba’s regime.
It’s always “look at this small insignificant heavily sanctioned and blockaded socialist country, they’re so paranoid spending all that money on security, we’d never sponsor coups or anything we just want human rights and democracy (this message was sponsored by our proud partners the United Fruit Company) “
Redditors when a country brutalizes its citizens “ 😎👍”
Redditors when the nation that saves the most foreign lives slightly uses its power to nudge the oppressive dictatorship into doing what we want “😡😡”
I would say America is even more brutal to their citizens. Americans have no healthcare and so many of the people are homeless. But sure, let's attack some smaller countries because they don't have our brain rot of an ideology that only benefits the ultra wealthy. You're not a billionaire dude, why are you defending the system? Save what foreign lives? USA kills the most people around the world in almost every era since they came into power.
Embargo is not attacking its restraint
I’m explaining to you why the embargo makes sense for the US government. Why fold when you hold all the chips ?
Hate all you want the embargo only ends when the dictatorship gives in
Just like if you wanted the USA to get rid of its evil dictator American quality of life would have to become unbearable for Americans to revolt
But America has installed dictators in many countries after a democratically elected leader. So why pick and choose who we embargo? Which pick and choose the reason for such a thing? Did we embargo all the authoritarians we support? Can't you understand you're falling for American propaganda? Are authoritarians only bad if they don't like America?
America (CIA) installed dictators in countries that refused to co operate or actively sided with our enemies.
We pick and choose who we embargo in terms of if we can get away with it and if it benefits us. I already explained that no we don’t embargo every authoritarian that wouldn’t help us.
I personally don’t have an issue with authoritarianism and if I were in charge of the US I’d be much more hostile than a little embargo
America is literally threatening Europe and NATO. America could easily end the war in Ukraine but Trump is buddies with Putin. No, it's never justified, you just have American propaganda virus in your brain.
Mean tweets = / = literal threats
Explain to me why America should fight and die for Europeans who hate us ? Europeans who call us war mongers. America has literally been fighting proxy wars with Russia since the Cold War and we’ve received NOTHING in return other than insults.
Enjoy fighting and dying for Ukraine , you euros are on your own
Tweets? He's demanding they give him Greenland. It's insane. He has been berating Ukraine and NATO and asking them to fund it more. Now they are looking to actually militarize back up while at the same time there is a rise in right wing politics across Europe. This will end well. Didn't Europe fight along with USA on their war on terror?
Dude that’s old news let the Greenland thing go 😂
Dude he asked NATO leaders to pay their promised 2% in GDP for defense spending years ago and they literally laughed in his face. And now Reddit lefties are SHOCKED he has beef with his NATO “allies”?!
> there is a rise in right wing politics in Europe
Good
How is it old news when it happened recently? I guess you are a right winger chud. I don't know why I bothered replying to you. Why don't you go back to conservative where your worldview makes sense. Cause it's stupid everywhere else.
What do you mean? The last time it happened, we had a World War and it took a lot of lives to stop the Nazis. Are you a moron?
lol I’m a nationalist not a conservative 🤭 go watch a scum bag v tuber so you can be told what to think
And since then Europeans will soon be minorities in their own country’s and live in constant fear from terror attacks you literally can’t celebrate some holidays or practice free speech
Dude you literally just made my point for me
We’re not doing colonialism. We’re doing everything we can to avoid an invasion. Reddit leftists just hate it when America does anything that benefits us
the difference is that Russia and China attack democracies
America attacks dictatorships
Lmao you can't say that with a straight face and look at all the countries in the Americas where the CIA was involved. Destabilization is the MO of the US and how many countries have been destabilized because they POTENTIALLY could be communist? Go around America and Asia to see the damage the US has done.
Literally every first world country with any power engages in destabilization / coups that help their own nation
The good America does far outweighs the bad
And countries that havnt done any harm to others also rarely help others
There's no weighing mechanism for atrocities. I'm not gonna weigh the good USA's Marshall plan to the bad of what Belgium did to Congo.
But this specific policy of embargoing Cuba and causing suffering on a nation just because it's socialist is exactly the type of shit that makes people hate America and will cause ramifications down the line... Kinda like how causing a coup of a popular leader in Iran has caused us huge grief to this day.
It’s absolutely easy to point to a nation and say if it helps or hurts humanity as a whole. Unless you’re suggesting things are only good or evil ?
Dude it’s not cause they’re socialist. It’s because they have property America wants, they are an anti American dictatorship that’s too close to home and they arrest Americans etc etc
It’s a combination of things.
Iran will be fine. Women, gays and libs will be the fall of the Islamic regime not a foreign military
So you have no problem with China overfishing seas that don't belong to them, debt trapping African nations, running military operations over Taiwan, killing HK protestors, and castrating Uighurs?
But what about China lifting 97% of its population out of poverty? Giving African nations schools, roads, and hospitals? Investing more money into renewables accounting for 30% of the whole world?
That's my point: countries aren't binary good or bad nations. You evaluate them on policy, and the policy to stop oil going into Cuba because a bunch of rich Cubans from Florida said so is inhumane and a shit policy. Cuba being unstable is exactly how you get a refugee crisis.
>Wars against who ?
Looking at the casualty rates probably civilians
Yeah im glad too. You guys cant even deal with Iran , we probably have better chances without US ,especially when knowing US history of killing and betraying their "allies"
Turns out when you fight lots of bad guy innocents get hurt too. Which is why it’s never worth fighting for what’s right
We’re basically toying with Iran to keep netenyahu pleased
You have no chance, your “allies” are the globo hobo EU that are dying to import Iranian refugees to your country
America attacks whatever stands against its interests, aka has resources it wants or supports an ideology that isn’t pure unbridled capitalism. Surely you can’t be that dense?
What are our interests ? Democracy, freedom of trade and movement ? How terrible 😢
What is you’re even defending ? The Cuban dictatorship ?
The only reason why Europeans aren’t speaking Russian is because America carries NATO on our backs
You are completely delusional about what the US is doing.
That the US "saves the most foreign lives" is just... astonishing. "Delusion" really does not quite cover it.
By all means Google which nation has saved 40 million African lives, dumps billions of dollars on vaccination research for third worlders etc
Here’s where you tell me why that doesn’t actually matter
Do me a favor and point to the nation which has saved the most foreign lives
Chat GPT it if you have to
Only Reddit needs SEETHE this hard at the USA doing something good 😂 it’s genuinely hilarious !
USSR collapsed for reasons much more complex than simply socialism. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it "wasn't real socialism" , because it absolutely was socialism, but their social structure was more akin to current West, where loyalty to the party was rewarded and the wellbeing of society was secondary. A bit like USA or Europe today.
As to China. Well, they definitely focus on their citizens above foreign interests, and good luck to any silicon valley corporate overlords telling their government how they should set up their policies.
Why would you think it’s an oxymoron? It isn’t at all. State capitalism is when a country’s industries are state owned and the state takes the profits.
Standard capitalism is when the means of production are privately owned for profit. State capitalism is a modified form where the means of production are owned by the state, but still for profit.
Something being modified doesn’t make it “opposite” and it doesn’t make it an oxymoron, it makes it different to the degree it’s modified. A banana is yellow, a genetically modified red banana isn’t the “opposite” of a yellow banana and the term “red banana” isn’t an oxymoron.
Socialism is when the means of production are owned cooperatively by workers.
Literally the entire identity of capitalism is that it’s an economic system in which regular people own the means of production. That aspect is what separates it from economic systems that existed before it. If the state owns the means of production then it’s something else entirely. It’s not “modified” it’s completely different. Market economies controlled by the government have existed for centuries long before capitalism was invented. It’s not a yellow or red banana it’s a yellow banana and a cucumber.
Capitalism is defined by a profit motive. I think you're conflating private capitalism for capitalism as a whole.
>"capitalism is that it’s an economic system in which regular people own the means of production"
Not exactly. Capitalism is an economic system in which *people with capital* own the means of production. Their "regularness" has nothing to do with it. If you don't have capital to begin with; you can't own the means of production. People have had personal property since the beginning of time.
Profit motive and market systems existed for centuries before capitalism. Profit motive is a part of capitalism but it’s not what gives it it’s identity
If you own the means of production you by definition have capital. It is about the regularness. Because historically even in market economies only certain classes could own the means of production and even if a regular citizen could, it was would be part of a guild system in which the guild was also entitled to your profits, controlled how your business operates, and decided who could be a part of the guild at all
Whoever is trying to claim that capitalism’s main identity isn’t private ownership of the means of production is a moron. Profit motive exists in other economic systems, private ownership does not. Private ownership is what made capitalism different from economic systems before it and economic systems today.
Tf is “fiscally-conservative marketing speak” about the definition of capitalism. I wasn’t aware the basic definition of capitalism was right wing marketing speak
What next, voterless democracies? Libertarian dictatorships? Crownless monarchies? Nobleless feudalism?
You are woefully misinformed, and clearly embarrassed about it. I encourage you to do some reading so this doesn’t happen to you again. Have a good one.
Please cite another economic system in which one of its defining aspects is that there is private ownership of the means of production.
I can cite several in which profit motive is one of the defining aspects
In the same way national socialism is socialist if you do some linguistic acrobatics and claim that it’s socialism because it “benefits the German people” or something. That’s what the nazis did by the way. The reality is socialism was the “soup of the day” for the first half of 20th century so every movement pretended to be socialist to garner support. The Soviet Union was as socialist as North Korea is a democratic people’s republic.
Both of those nations have been historically been empires at one point.
Not really comparable to Cuba, Venezuela, Chile, Colombia or other small nation states that have had to deal with American interventionism with little resources or outside aid.
The other user was defending the record of socialism saying:
> It’s always “look at this **small insignificant** heavily sanctioned and blockaded socialist country
Socialism as a whole is way more than just universal healthcare. It is one facet of it, not the whole thing. Some things about socialism is good like the healthcare, but its mostly ass
You can't just take one of the core ideas of socialism and then call it capitalism. Sure, capitalism can adopt it just like communist countries can adopt capitalism like China did. Health, education and housing should be publicly provided is a core socialist value. Most of capitalism is ass. So what's your point?
Communism often still fails in a vacuum. The thing about communists is that they are always saying that communism would be perfect if not being interfered with, but doesn’t that prove its inferiority?
Yes it is. That’s like saying “I didn’t lose the baseball game, the other team sabotaged my win. Communism has been tried so much and the only successful version is a pseudo capitalist society still
Countries don't exist in a vacuum. It's silly to think so. If I have a superior model of a thing but the market dominated item and its company tries to destroy me before I can even get started, is it really my fault?
It doesn't mean we starve them and prevent them from getting the energy they need. It's affecting poor and middle class than anyone in actual power more.
The significant difference being that South Africa was an apartheid state and the Black population living under apartheid were very much in favour of boycotts against the white state apparatus, since it's not like they were receiving much of the economic surplus anyway. Cubans in Cuba are *not* asking to be embargoed, only exiles in Florida are, and while I think diaspora politics are complicated I absolutely categorically think the people living in a place have priority when it comes to a determination of who to listen to.
Also, Trump [has in fact set up what is effectively a global blockade](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/16/cuba-electrical-grid-collapses-amid-us-oil-blockade) against anyone else shipping fuel to Cuba, first by seizing Venezuelan oil shipments (the single largest provider of Cuban oil) and then by threatening massive sanctions on anyone else who doesn't comply.
It's not the worst thing, regime change, spy work, assassination attempts, blockade, sanctions embargo, threatening to embargo or sanction allies who trade with them are all things capitalist countries do to "communist" countries.
The US gave up messing with Cuba 40 years ago when the Cold War ended. The rest of the world can and does freely trade with Cuba with some exceptions. America doesn't, the rest of the world does. Obviously the recent oil blockade is pretty extreme and now y'all are crying about the blackouts, but you weren't crying about the blackouts that have been regular there for decades due to horrible mismanagement by the government. The USA has been shitty in a lot of ways but there are countries that got it worse from Uncle Sam's poorly-advised interventions that aren't total economic basket cases where people make $20/month in 2026.
Irrelevant. If you depend on the other systems to play ball, the vulnerability is your own. Cuba has never been viable under communism, they had been on life support all the time. Most countries can trade with them, they just don't produce almost anything competitively.
Every country needs to trade with other countries. This is how people get what they need. How do you suppose countries without oil to get oil? This sounds like something a child would say.
> This sounds like something a child would say.
if you mean your comments then I 100% agree
Cuba trades with many countries, it's just America that won't trade with them, which is their right. It's not even true that countries will get secondary sanctions for trading with Cuba. Spain for instance keeps many luxury hotels in Cuba without sanction. Cuba is just wretchedly poor and lives off remittances from their diaspora, like other failed states, and their internal economy has never been sufficient to keep a decent living standard for anybody other than their elites, who are living in luxury.
I repeat, if your neighbour country doesn't want to trade with you and your system depends on that for survival, then your system is not viable. This is unrelated to the fact that "all countries need to trade" this is a retarded non-sequitur.
Tbf, the Cuban government still deserves a fair share of the blame given its corruption and unwillingness to reform its economic system the way China and Vietnam have. Cuba still had no problems trading with LATAM, Europe, Asia, etc., you can’t blame *all* their economics problems on the embargo.
Not that Trump actually cares about democracy and the Cuban people, but Cuba is very blatantly an authoritarian dictatorship, you can’t have democracy when there’s literally only one legal party.
I don't think you need democracy to have good policies or development. It would be better if it were but there are too many demagogues who could come into power and wreck their nation. Look at China, their policies are constantly changing but their authoritarianism is still in tact. They're ahead in renewables and America is busy trying to siege and overthrow countries to get more fossil fuels.
US has been trying to regime change Cuba for a long time. It would be naive to think they have been left alone to develop their nation. They were playing defense and they relied on Soviet bloc. They had to rely on allies for oil and that has been cut off since January. 600 attempts on Castro's life. Bay of Pigs. Operation Mongoose. They would literally mess with the trade goods.
And it’s a bad thing we had communists rule half of Germany afterwards. Quick reminder that east Germany had to build a wall to keep its people from fleeing and that its economy is significantly worse than west Germany even to this day.
Nazis lost the right to have their country to themselves after WW2. They needed to be demilitarized, denazified, democratized and decentralized. Otherwise, they would have taken time to rebuild and gone right back to the same insanity. Soviet Union suffered the most during the war. This is because of Nazi policy to mass kill civilians. 20-27 million of Soviet Union deaths. It destroyed their economy. They couldn't aid East Germany for reconstruction so they decided to withdraw resources instead focused on their own. I don't think it's right but they did lose a lot of people and villages and reparations seemed justified.
Berlin wall fell in 1989. Privatization favored West Germany. The rapid privatization allowed West Germany to buy up firms and close up half of them to avoid collapse. This immediately created a employment problem. Economists had suggested a slow privatization would have worked better. So it's partly on West Germany, too.
The unfortunate paradox is seemingly that vanguardists are the only ones able to survive long term against outside threats due to being able to exploit the benefits of a centralised state apparatus, but then that very same state apparatus inevitably becomes repressive, corrupt, and uninterested in socialism in its own right. I don't have a good solution for this problem.
What? Plenty of communist and socialist countries are friends / allies
US trades with China , Europe is really good friends with Vietnam, Canada and Spain pal around with Cuba.
The issue the west has with Cuban government is their human rights violations like arresting journalists who speak out against their abuse
China stopped being communist in 1978. Vietnam embraced capitalism, too. They forgot about Cold War enmity when found a common enemy on China. You don't trade with an ally and say they're the worst enemy like US does China.
It's US that does the embargo and sanctions. The oil embargo caused all of this. There are western capitalist countries that adopt some forms of socialism. The brown or Asian countries do not get this privilege and they're almost always destabilized or regime changed. Canada doesn't get scared by the words socialized medicine. Neither does European capitalistic countries. It's an American problem.
If arresting journalists are bad, how do oil blockades help them? Why is it always hurting the poor people and middle class people hoping they can do a regime change? This is similar to saying attacking Hamas is okay because they are not woke. Is your solution to kill more innocents radicalizing more people all the while killing the queer people yourself?
“China isn’t communist”
I’m aware, it’s state capitalism/ socialism.
Explain to me what the USA actually wants from Cuba and why that’s a bad thing
Canada is a failing nation, no one can afford a home, find a job much get their free socialized healthcare in a timely fashion (medical assisted death is the 4 leading cause of death atm)
Better question is how do you hurt a dictatorship without the common populace being hurt? I’m open to ideas. It seems like reddit just wants dictatorships to be left alone indefinitely.
I’m not sure what that last comment means. But yea innocent people inevitably die when fighting evil men, just like when allies killed civilians when fighting the Nazis, it’s a unavoidable fact of life
By those metrics, USA is much more of a failed nation. Job market is more stable than USA in Canada and income gaps are much wider. Canada has stronger social safety nets. MAID is not 4th most leading cause of death. Don't just make shit up. It's way better than dying because you can't afford medicine so that's worse for USA. USA is now a failing nation thanks to your own metrics.
Why do you wanna hurt the country? It's almost impossible to attack it without hurting the innocent civilians. We should leave countries alone. If there is a need for revolution, it will happen from within. You don't try to speed it up by causing normal people insane suffering.
You do realize Soviet Union lost the most people in WW2, right? You know, the communists? It is very much avoidable. Don't be disingenuous. It's a choice to think of people as collateral damage. Leave countries alone to do their own thing. America is not the world's daddy.
>The issue the west has with Cuban government is their human rights violations like arresting journalists who speak out against their abuse
this is *not* the issue the USA has with Cuba.
My point is that you obviously have not, and if you have then you damn well what the issue is and it has nothing to do with the current government arresting journalists.
Oh and you care about human rights ?
Saudi Arabia actually tries working with us. Meanwhile Cuba a little footnote south of our border contributes nothing, constantly arresting Americans any chance they get
Thinks beside the point that being socialist/ communist doesn’t make you instantly hated by capitalist nations 😂
>Oh and you care about human rights ?
Do you? Because citing Cuba for human rights abuses while handwaving Saudi Arabia chainsawing a journalist apart with "well at least they actually try to work with us" is insane lmfao
“Do you?” No just like the average person doesn’t. I’m not going to even pretend to signal my virtue
America is the nation that fights the most and gives the most aid to prevent said abuse and we constantly get spit down on and criticized by western losers on this sub for having the crime of not being infallible so I have to ask myself
What’s the point of even trying to do the right thing ? It will never be enough to people who personally have never once lifted a finger to help humanity
You do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, not because you expect reciprocation or recognition.
I think I have a very different worldview from you, though. The US does (did?) give a lot of aid, yes, but we also *constantly* meddle in shit to advance our interests, and that often negatively impacts a lot of people. I don't personally think the US government is as altruistic as you do.
You can't even decide on a talking point. "America sanctions Cuba because of the regime!" Look at these similar regimes that America still trades with "Well yeah but human rights!" America cooperates with countries that have crazy human rights violations "it's because Cuba isn't... working with us!"
Ok I’ll make it easy for you
America sanctions Cuba because there’s nothing Cuba can do about it. Cuba is a weak little spec to us unlike Saudi or China. I mean does this even need to be said ?
There is no such thing as pure good or evil. America will turn a blind eye to evil if it ultimate helps our nation which in turn helps the world. This for some reason drives western Redditors into a blind rage
It was already easy for me, because, much like in this comment, you will throw away every other "point" you thought you had and find a different goalpost.
What even is your argument ? 😂
That communist countries HAVE to allow some form of capitalism to prevent starvation ? Yes I agree even NK has to allow the private market to do its thing
China and Vietnam are still communist even if it’s not Marx’s idea of perfect communism
No. They aren't. I'm not even making a no true Scotsman argument here you just literally don't have enough knowledge to understand. They are barely Socialist. Socialist does not equal communist.
China itself consideres itself in the "primary stage" of socialism which is a lesser stage of socialism and they need to pass through socialism to reach communism.
Chinese people still work for a wage, therefor the relationship of employer/employee is still intact.
My point is is that yes, being communist/socialist does make you immidately hated by the capitalist powers.
Youre not worth speaking too seeing as how you've wormed out of every point every previous commenter has brought up.
They are political communist (one party) but 60% of their GDP comes from the private sector. No I’m not going to get into cringe “it’s actually this kind of socialism🤓” debate
If that were the case why is Vietnam not having an embargo’s against it? Because there is simply no reason.
Dude you can cope and seethe all you want, America is justified to embargo Cuba , the Cuban government can end it today by giving in to Americas VERY reasonable demands
Arresting journalists does not seem to be the distinction here:
https://rsf.org/en/chinese-regime-s-fierce-repression-journalists-hidden-behind-day-celebration
Then why bother making this point:
>The issue the west has with Cuban government is their human rights violations like arresting journalists who speak out against their abuse
Because the entire reason of the embargo isn’t to hurt the average Cuban
But to make the dictatorship bend to our will. And it’s working seeing as how Cubans have been protesting their government
The quality of life for the average Cuban gets so bad that it ends with them protesting and fighting their own government for
And it’s already working
It’s either that or invasion
Pick one ☝🏻
Ok the outcome is that the dictarshop is even closer to being toppled. Without us it would be indefinite
Just like when millions of innocents were killed by allies when fighting the Nazis, it ultimately stopped the fascists from hurting even more people
The ends justify the means. I’m sorry if that upsets you
plenty? You cited 2 countries that are not sanctioned (curiously both are pretty fastly developing).
Cuba IS sanctioned and, even if they can make deals with Europe, most of the time it's not worth for european countries and companies, because of possible US sanctions and shipping permissions.
I’m confused do you think communist / socialists countries are in abundance ? 😂
Huh maybe the Cuban government should just accept the USA’s demands and the embargo ends tomorrow
It’s not like Cuba has any chance in a million years to stand up to us. Just take the knee , it’s ok if the dictatorship loses power
\>Huh maybe the Cuban government should just accept the USA’s demands and the embargo ends tomorrow
How democratic and law abiding of your country! Truly an example!
That’s not the issue the IS has with Cuba.
Before the revolution Cuba was run by a US backed dictator who allowed US corporations to open several tax exempt casinos and plantations and businesses. All of those businesses were nationalized after the Revolution and the US has been pissed at Cuba ever since. Not to mention they don’t want a Russian stronghold so near its mainland.
Yes I’m aware.
If the control of the property goes from the dictatorship back to the US elite than nothing changes for the Cubans except the lack of embargo. Which is why now the responsibility relies entirely on the Cuban government
Yup you’re totally on point, Cuba being so close to the US is another reason we’re so harsh on them compared to say Saudi Arabia
Agreed, there's never been any true communist govts. The ones claiming it immediately switch towards a dictatorship full of rich powerful leaders and impoverished citizens. Nobody's experienced true communism aside from the few original Soviets, before Lenin became leader
Soviets tried to initially follow Marx to the letter. It lead to economic devastation and famine, NEP and the disbanding of the councils was a desperation move after Marxist theory proved incompatible with the real world.
Modern Marxists believe that they should have never tried to implement Marxism because the developmental level of Russia was not on the necessary level.
if your system relies on people willing to follow the instructions yet everytime said people prove to be unwilling or able then the assumptions that led to the instructions are flawed
Because a classless society violates the very nature of human existence. Or for that matter the existence of any social animal.
The khmer rouge tried murdering their way to these requirements. Got property abolished, but alas leadership itself just became a new class
>very nature of human existence. Or for that matter the existence of any social animal.
No, this has no basis in the scientific study of animal social behavior. Animals don’t have *classes* (aside from taxonomic classes, ofc, but I know that’s not what you mean here).
They do have *hierarchies*, but there is not a reasonable way to compare nonhuman social hierarchies to human political structures. They are not the same.
> They do have hierarchies, but there is not a reasonable way to compare nonhuman social hierarchies to human political structures. They are not the same.
Social, not political structures.
And why not? Humans started out with just hierarchies and anywhere you got civilization that became what is more solidly called classes. (Granted I'd consider hierarchy just proto classes). Why is this not innate given status seeking is innate?
Murder is innate by your logic. But we devote great energy to preventing it. There are no guarantees, but why would you insist that the most destructive tendencies of human nature are the ones we should encourage?
Also, communism doesn't abolish class right away. It starts by repressing the Epstein class i. Favor of the working class. This might last for ages. It doesn't even have to abolish all capitalist activity right away. Look how long it took for capitalism to develop! But why should communism be any different? Change is hard.
> Also, communism doesn't abolish class right away. It starts by repressing the Epstein class i. Favor of the working class.
That's highly destructive as we've seen historically. Wipes out incentives to invest.
> Look how long it took for capitalism to develop!
Required technology to get us out of a zero sum world
> But why should communism be any different?
Because no technology short of human brain rewiring or AGI would enable it
>That's highly destructive as we've seen historically. Wipes out incentives to invest.
Dude the USSR industrialized in a decade or two and beat us in every space metric except the moon landing. If that's not "investing" then idk what is. As it stands right now, the Epstein class is incentivized to stall progress through things like patent trolling and corporate takeovers because progress means competition. And before someone chimes in about government regulation being the problem here, they would do it even if there were no government because money is power in our society. A firmly established multinational corporation would find it cheaper to squash their competition than it is to actually compete with them. Look at enshitificafion. Look at shrinkflation. Those happen under capitalism, not communism.
You also completely ignored their point of "why should we have a system that encourages and rewards the worst behaviors among us ie: greed, arrogance, narcissism, sociopathy?"
> Dude the USSR industrialized in a decade or two and beat us in every space metric except the moon landing.
Because not even catching up to USA productivity and winning in one narrow domain is reaching the standards of human flourishing!
> Those happen under capitalism, not communism.
Communism doesn't even have competition and is totally monopolized, so I don't get your point
> You also completely ignored their point of "why should we have a system that encourages and rewards the worst behaviors among us ie: greed, arrogance, narcissism, sociopathy?"
Because it gets results
There were certainly internal problems in USSR. Good luck untangling that from the raw fact that the USSR was under siege from the greatest, most powerful empire in history. For the entire course of its existence. Hell, the US invaded directly after the revolution! Add on the devastation of WW2. Add on tge fact that when the USSR was established Russia was mainly still in a feudalistic economy and they had to speed run industrialization if they wanted to survive capitalist pressures.
USA, in contrast, was never invaded in WW2 and had an open field of devastated nations to exploit. Couple that with an utterly ghoulish attitude toward human rights in the perifery. Hard to fail in those circumstances.
> USA, in contrast, was never invaded in WW2 and had an open field of devastated nations to exploit.
How's that relevant here? The USSR grew dramatically after ww2.
> Couple that with an utterly ghoulish attitude toward human rights in the perifery.
Just like.. the USSR?
No. The US is without peer in this area of endeavor in the 20th century. Korea. Vietnam. Iraq. Afghanistan. Iran. Palestine. Most of South America. Philippines. Indonesia. Yugoslavia. To name a few. The US has ratfucked any nation it could when resource and labor control was on the line. And especially anyone who tried to shift to socialism. Yes, the USSR grew dramatically. But it didn't have imperial ambitions and an open table to run. Like I said, they had their problems, but imagine having the United States as one of your problems! I wouldn't want that for anyone.
> But it didn't have imperial ambitions and an open table to run
???????
> The US is without peer in this area of endeavor in the 20th century
Finland, Ukraine, Poland, every Baltic, Afghanistan, Hungary, also Yugoslavia, korea, China, Vietnam, Angola,Congo.. I'm losing count
Pretty wild you included Vietnam in there as if the USSR wasn't helping the Vietcong fend off a war of aggression, an invasion of their land, and a subversion of what was to be a popularly elected government.
Vietnam was supposed to have elections that would have reunified the north and south in 1956. However, US Intel showed Ho Chi Minh winning outright, so the elections were never held and the south went to war with the north. I never specified north Vietnam, I specified Vietnam, which based on what the expected results of that election and on the results of the war includes both the north and the south.
True, but then again it's not like the USSR ever cared about what the people wanted. In fact they would brutally suppress people's self-determination.
So I'm unfortunately going to have to doubt the USSR did this out of some noble care for the Vietnamese people.
> I specified Vietnam, which based on what the expected results of that election and on the results of the war includes both the north and the south.
The definition of an invasion doesn't work that way. If the US had marched into East Germany in 1985 that would still be an invasion even if the East German people would have voted to unify with the West.
But hey, at least they're not invaded by an army!
Please ignore every other form of violence, be it raiding for resources or manipulate economically to cause as much harm as possible, these are ok because there's no soldiers putting up flags.
I was reading that they were getting solar from China to help become energy independent? I wonder how long ittl take for them to actually get enough to power thier grid
Gemini says this:
* **Utility-Scale Solar Parks:** The government, with Chinese support, plans to add over 1,200 megawatts (MW) in 2026, aiming for a total of 2,000 MW by 2028.
Their current capacity this year is about 2000 MW. So even getting Chinese solar onboard this year, they'll still be at \~60% capacity
Just ask for the sources to the AI and then check if they are veridical, its not hard.
way easier than searching and then checking yourself.
god i hope ai reeplace soon enough dum dums like you
Thats not faster then just looking up a valid source in the first place.
The internet is already filled with AI garbage, luckily its only a minority of cogsuckers like you posting it. Enjoy your fake information from robots that can't empirically tell what the truth is.
its not just searching for a valid source, you have to actually do investigation on things like this, check 5 or 6 things, usually the news wont say
CHINA WILL MAKE US GO FULL SOLAR BY 2028 WE ARE 60% OF THE GRILL SOLAR ALREADY WE USE X KWH AND THAT WILL NET US X KWH WHICH IS Y% OF THAT.
its not ai garbage, its AI doing its proper work, AI garbage is an complete other beast
Thanks for posting something useful, it is appreciated.
Also I highly encourage you to figure out a way to transition to local AI models. See /r/LocalLLaMA. Eventually the corpos will figure out how to censor AI and you don't want to be on the receiving end of it. Google is not your friend.
I disagree that my reply on the topic was appreciated; it received a lot more hate. I won't make this mistake again.
I can't run an llm on my work computer or phone, and only had a few monents to investigate before actual duties required my attention. I was curious about the question and wanted to follow up... but fuck that. Reddit does not foster human interaction. It's always like this now; even if I cited actual links, someone will express hatred in response for no other reason than to disparage me.
I appreciated your response, don't let the loud ones determine how you behave in a society.
We're already in a world where all of humanity's information is at your fingertips and these people are dead set on becoming ignorant out of spite. Don't do that to yourself. Also, remember: don't wrestle pigs, you get dirty and they like it.
There’s a super negative bias toward LLMs on here—probably because bots are already crawling all over this site. Sorry you were attacked.
LLMs have a lot of limitations, but simply garnering information that’s bound to have several sources on the internet is fairly reliable in my experience, and the sources are right there to check.
People love to frame using chatbots to get information as lazy/unreliable. I remember when we used to be told the same thing about the internet as a whole vs getting your information from books. Then Wikipedia was lazy and unreliable. Now that’s considered a highly reliable source. All these things get bad reputations because they are poor at the outset and keep improving. The users who responded to you need to calm down.
Nah, I can see what your contribution gives and something even slightly on topic is much better. I tried, but reddit's lack of civility is what it is....
LLMs are not going to lead to AGI. You can put as much water, electricity and RAM into them in the desperate hope that simple scaling is going to magically achieve AGI, but the reality is it'll never be useful for anything other than cheating on homework, sexual abuse and spreading misinformation.
We may see AGI in the near future through other developments such as World Models, but the glorified chatbots that are LLMs represent a dead end, and the world is going to realise that soon.
Yes but LLMs are a massive drain on resources, if they're only being used for trivial tasks such as article summaries it's quickly going to be uneconomical to run these systems in their current forms, and they'll be forced to charge users high prices that won't be worth the service provided
You said that I had no idea what's here or what's to come, and I was trying to explain how what's here is unreliable and what's to come isn't any better. No one should be relying on these systems for information.
I'm not a luddite, I'm not against progress, but LLMs have always been a cheap trick to try and con people into thinking actual artificial intelligence has been achieved, and the sooner we stop wasting time and resources on them, and move on to new avenues of AI development with real possibilities for growth and progress, the better.
It’s not unreliable. It’s a tool. And a damn good one.
The frontier LLM’s can literally ace difficult math problems that only the top 0.1% of humans can do and here you are questioning whether it can do web search and summarize 😂
Found some other articles saying " By August 2025, the island’s 26 operational solar parks were generating 2,366 megawatt-hours daily," and about 20% of their grid is reneqables, seems like they are going to reach their goal for 2000 ahead of sheduel
God. Watching what the USA is doing to Cuba is gut wrenching. Cubans haven’t known peace from US intervention since the fucking Spanish American war. What a fucking absurdity. Every one of the architects of this starvation regime the us is placing on Cuba should go the way of Mussolini
I feel like even if you disagree with the Cuban regime a full blockade of all fuel and supplies to the degree that their power system and medical facilities completely collapse is unconscionable. Yet! Some will say that all Cubans deserve to suffer and die for the sins of the government and the “crime” of the revolution
It’s the hate for communism which objectively it would only be bad for the oligarchs.
Normal people would have less purchasing power but if everyone is poor nobody will care about keeping up with the Jones. Also likely less crime and racial inequality
I mean, just look at your own language though, why refer to it as the Cuban 'regieme' instead of the Cuban Government? This propaganda is so insanely rooted in America and the western world at large to view Cuba as a nation with hostility for rejecting the capitalist system of subjection to the United States
Do you? You could make an argument or link something instead of pounding the table if you actually had a point. The communist party of Cuba won't let anyone run they don't approve. The state controls media in Cuba. It's not a free country.
Probably because if they hold a "free and fair election" the U.S will immediatly parachute hand picked candidates in and give them infinite funds and resources. You know like they do to every other fucking country on earth with "free and fair elections"
You've got to isolate someone and deny them information to control their opinions. Free speech and free association go against people being isolated and controlled. I'm against any political system that'd deny free speech and free association. Free speech and free association aren't enough but without them a system won't be free and fair. The Cuban system doesn't allow free speech and free association.
>You've got to isolate someone and deny them information to control their opinions.
Not really. If the US style of politics has taught me anything, drowning them in the kind of bullshit platitudes and populism they think they wanna hear is enough. The leopards are getting obese on MAGATs, whom by every measure have the ability and accessibility to be extremely well-informed people.
> The Cuban system doesn't allow free speech and free association.
Neither does the american one, globally, even. They know well enough to be tolerant of it. But as soon as it becomes an actual threat to the oligarch's status quo... there's a reason for the meme of "The actual Pulitzer prize is handed out by the CIA".
Think you can convince me 2 and 2 makes 5? Truth is proof against lies in a way lies aren't proof against truth. It's when neighbors don't talk to each other that they're left to form opinions as to what their neighbors think based on what ends up in their feed. It's when neighbors don't talk to each other that top down media conglomerates get to shape the dialogue. A talking head on Youtube can't convince you 2 and 2 makes 5 but maybe they can convince you your neighbors think it does? Then maybe you show up at town council and rant against what you take to be an epidemic of idiocy and your neighbors in attendance get to thinking you mean to disparage them. Except they know they don't think 2 and 2 makes 5 so they think you're nuts.
Personally speaking it's what I get on my feed. Endless stories and snippets of people saying incredibly stupid zero information stuff. What am I supposed to think? But I'm only left to it because my neighbors/family/peers shun me. I see how it is because when I go in public I'm left to piece together why everyone is so hostile/insane/eager to assume the worst about me and this is the explanation I get. I'm profiled, people have been led to profile, at least a certain kind of person. Namely the kind of person who doesn't have much good faith human contact. Naturally top down media messaging would pathologize isolated people like that as the problem. As if incels are driving US politics or something. What a hateful word. Does anyone even identify as an incel? I've never heard it in real life only online. Exactly how this kind of poison pilling of neighbors against neighbors works.
The relevance of this analysis being that if a country like Cuba wanted to hold free and fair elections while protecting itself against foreign propaganda all it'd have to do is foster local journalism and inclusive culture and work. When anyone can show up and talk directly to their neighbors in good faith others lose the power of being able to poison them against their neighbors because they know better. The idea a government needs to protect the people from themselves to the point the people can't be allowed to vote for their leadership is dictatorial/authoritarian. Evil. Were there ever a good argument for it such a state of affairs could only ever be temporary. How long has it been with Cuba?
The idea of "free and fair" is absurd when there is a hostile entity with infinitly more power and resources looming over you waiting for you to fuck up.
You allow people to talk to other people about whatever or you don't. If you'd accept your government not letting people talk to each other you'd better trust your government, or else.
Truth is proof against lies in a way lies aren't proof against the truth. A free country permits having out the dialogue. The Party insists on itself.
There are elections in Cuba. They are different to US elections. The fact that the US is so violent towards Cuba is one of the major reasons elections are so tightly controlled. This is the same country that blew up Cuban airlines and tried to kill the Cuban head of state several hundred times.
Imagine if MAGA had to endorse you for you to be allowed to run for office. And that you might be thrown in prison for owning a radio you use to get signals from off the island. lol.
MAGA is not a party. Tons of political systems require you to be endorsed in order to run.
You clearly haven't lived in Cuba. People have radios. If you were arrested for "having a radio" then it is almost certain it's because you were involved in some way with the US attempts to carry out terror attacks, propaganda, or an attack on the state.
MAGA is a politics. A one party state might have MAGA politics. You don't want your state to be a one party state to the extent it's one party would be unreasonable and every one party state is unreasonable.
"Standard radio receivers (AM/FM) are legal and common in Cuba, but two-way radios (walkie-talkies), satellite phones, and specialized communication devices (including InReach) are strictly restricted and often confiscated by customs. All telecommunications equipment is heavily monitored, and privately owned broadcasting media is prohibited." - google ai
I confess I don't know much about Cuban censorship. My understanding is that if I called a Cuban and our conversation was critical of the Cuban government particularly with respect to some actionable thing the Cuban I was speaking with might do that the Cuban authorities might pay them a visit.
You've clearly never spoken to Cubans then. Politics is THE major topic of conversation and they are extremely well informed on global politics compared to the average American or Anglo. Cubans are not being arrested and imprisoned for thought crimes. This isn't an American movie. There is opposition in Cuba and there is rigorous political debate. How on earth do you think the Family Law was passed? That it just appeared from nothing? That there was no debate, critique, or discussion?
On the ground in Cuba literally no one likes Diaz and they're very vocal about it. They are so so on Raul because he's so quiet and not charasmatic but they do trust him. People almost universally love Fidel. In a way Americans simply can't comprehend because they are so propagandised.
Why? Cuba is a blockaded and under constant attack from the West and now you want them to cut off even more potential trade? Russia has done nothing to Cuba. Whereas the USA has blown up planes filled with Cuban civilians and bombed Cuba repeatedly. And yet Cuba is still happy to trade with the US once the US stops trying to destroy and massacre Cuba.
Because Russian leadership think it's worth millions of lives to exert dominion over Ukraine. Russia can't even well govern itself let alone Ukraine. I've never heard anything resembling plausible pretext as to why Russia's war against Ukraine might be justified. A principled nation would not trade with Russia, a nation that'd start a war and kill millions. For what? Land, seems like. Russia has a history of this sort of thing. And let's not pretend Russia doesn't violate human rights with regularity otherwise. Russia is not a progressive country. Russia is a backwater. Cuba should be holding free and fair elections and making a point to distance itself from countries like Russia not deepening trade relations with them. If Cuba did that it'd find US politics moving to eliminate the trade barriers against Cuba. Obama already moved in that direction.
It doesn't matter what the USA is about the USA is not the standard. Cuba makes it easy to demonize it when it trades with monstrous regimes. The USA can be monstrous but it's monstrosity is plausibly deniable and that's an important distinction. And this is a world of monsters so the bar is just about in hell. Cuba could choose to be better even in this hell.
Yes there is. That's literally how people are elected. You usually know your local political candidates.
Cuba literally passed the world's most progressive family law a few years ago....do you think the referendum had just one option? Are you actually that incurious and propagandised?
> Why shoudln't Cuba hold free and fair elections?
Because they've effectively been under constant attack for the last 70 years and haven't had a chance to breathe?
Not being a democracy is a problem, yes - but it's their problem, and I'm sure if you ask any cuban they'd rather have their existing system than... still have their existing system plus also have less food, money, and power than they had before.
When your country isn't a democracy and you're not in good Party standing that'd be your problem, chief. Foreign peoples don't respect you by respecting the government denying your inalienable rights to free speech and free association.
I can't go to Cuba and ask the Cuban people much of anything about this without risking arrest. It'd be the same as everywhere else, you're free to go against the powers that be within the letter of their laws up to the point anybody else would be persuaded by you. Then you're overstepping the bounds they've set out, according to them, and you're free to think about what you've done in a jail cell.
>I can't go to Cuba and ask the Cuban people much of anything about this without risking arrest.
Yeah, you can't.
But any other passport in the world could get you there and then you could. So think about that one.
How do you rationalize the US overthrowing so many democratically elected leaders and replacing them with brutal dictators? From Brazil to Iran, the list goes on and on. In Cuba, the US supported Batista, who was a brutal dictator before the Cuban revolution. The US is currently allies with the Gulf state monarchies like Saudi Arabia.
The US doesn't care about democracy at all or type of government. The only thing that the US cares about is whether the leader of a particular country is good for US interests or not.
What does the USA have to do with whether Cuban elections should be free and fair? Building trust locally and overseeing a vibrant press is sufficient protection against foreign propaganda. A government concerned with big money coming in and dominating their media could make a point to fund a local government paper in every town. So long as that government doesn't ban other papers it'd be far less heavy handed than outright banning other political parties.
Cuba had a democratically elected president before US-supported Batista did a coup. So, yeah, I would say the US had a lot to do with it.
Ideally, all countries' elections should be free and fair. But history, especially in Latin America, has shown that when a democratically elected president starts not being aligned with US interests, then US would not hesitate to overthrow them.
We've got to be the way we are because of aliens. They'd take over, otherwise. You find our ways oppressive but it's to save you from aliens. You should be grateful. We're protecting you from yourself.
Sure they should, I think everyone should have free and fair elections. That aside why is it okay that we blockade Cuba, and not say Hungary, or Russia. They don't have free and fair elections, and they actively interfere with our politics in a way that Cuba doesn't. I don't think we should be forcing other countries to comply with how we think they should run their business.
Were it up to me free democratic countries wouldn't be trading with countries that don't hold free and fair elections as a matter of principle. That'd mean not trading with Russia or China.
Glad I’m not the only one who picked up on that.
For the sake of clarity the word is used by those who consider such governments as “illegitimate”. It’s why so many round the world now call refer to the current administration running the US as the “Trump Regime”. Because two can play this game.
Cuba is in practice only 15% less "democratic" than the US. And "communist" is a mislabeling. They call themselves socialist but they're barely even that.
Currently it seems to be used for non-democratic countries that are enemies of the USA, so for example, I've rarely heard people referring to Saudi Arabia or Egypt as regimes. Personally, I prefer to use it for any authoritarian state, which Cuba definitely is.
Yeah, that's fair. A dictatorship should always be called a regime. Even a budding dictatorship like the US. (It's not full-blown until it's tested, which is this fall)
I've not kept up with Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez, but he's still an authoritarian who thinks that it's only evil imperialism when the US or Israel does it. Which is understandable since his country's main backer is Russia.
He did jail a bunch of protesters as one of his first official acts, all because they wanted elections instead of yet another dictator.
None of that excuses the blockade. That's the American Imperialism in action. He's not wrong about that part. It just doesn't make him right about anything else.
That’s right, reminds me of the old Soviet joke about two spies meeting up for a drink that goes something like this:
"I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.
"Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."
Every government that the US government doesn’t recognize is a “regime” and regimes can be changed…
It’s capitalist in spirit but not much else. China will themselves admit it’s a hybrid economy.
I think there’s a case to be made party-state capitalism is working well for them but only because the people are more accepting of subjugation in exchange for moderate improvements in their day to day lives. There’s also a benefit to a single unified set of country goals in terms of rapid innovation.
However, this system has trapped China (possibly forever) from reaching a consumer driven economy which is a death knell for prosperity. All of the book cooking and provincial corruption will lead them to stagnation. A consumer based economy demands full financial transparency at all levels.
I'm just starting to read more about the nuts and bolts of China's economic system. Wish me luck. So far, my understanding is that in principle China is very much socialist at the highest level. In this scenario, the capitalism is state managed, sort of kept in a cage. And I've seen every indication that the state has the capitalist sector well in hand. But is the state itself compromised? I don't know.
Communism was never expected to happen all at once. It's a long term project that is going to carry a lot of the baggage from the past age. Maybe we can get to some Star Trek future, but just like in that show it's going to take ages. Like, Marxism explicitly rejects idealism.
Oof, you're going to hurt someone if you start trying to explain the difference between economic systems, styles of government, and political parties who co-opted the name of a movement to take advantage of people's ingrained sense of loyalty.
That last one might hit a little too close to home for all those American ~~Patriots~~ insurrectionists.
What is "regime aligned"? The socialist/communist individuals? The ones that remember a time when the Party actually delivered what the "revolutionary program" promised? The ones that would rather have the current govt. minus the embargo, rather than become Puerto Rico 2.0, with extra Las Vegas and a dash of Little St. James?
I dont think they deserve to die either, especially not at the hands of the USA, a state that has caused far more suffering for the Cuban people than the actual Cuban government lol
Yeah, at inflated prices, in cash, on USD which it's banned to sell their exports for. They *can* do business, just in conditions 3 times worse than any other country.
It's even more absurd when you see some of the countries we ally ourselves with and trade with. Slavery in the gulf states? That's fine. Genocide? Cool.
For all the mismanagement and blunders of the cuban govt., without the embargo they could've recovered from most of those, instrad of having them compound over time, as happened thanks to the embargo. The US does orders of magnitude worse mismanagement and corruption, but manages to get by thanks to its economic and military hegemony.
That’s the purpose of the embargo and people have the attention span of a goldfish so they asume that the embargo only means that Cuba cannot trade with America when it’s more comprehensive than that
As someone with Mexican flare, you should realize the "embargo" isn't all that much of an embargo and until recently a lot of countries including Mexico mostly ignored it for decades. Cuba's infrastructure problems aren't a result of an embargo, it's longterm systemic issues with the government. The stupid or ironic part is the current iteration isn't quite as bad as prior iterations, but they've been left with a very difficult hand to play out.
How *dare* any other people anywhere ever try any system other than exploitative, profit extraction capitalism! How DARE they! We cannot allow it. Free people everywhere must subject their freedom to free markets or else their freedom will be confiscated and their material conditions degraded to poverty! And then we'll go, "See!? It doesn't work! Capitalism is better!"
And we all just go along with it.
"ever try"
We need to go through 20th Century history again.
Pure capitalism isn't the answer, but it's amazing to me that people like you can look at the Eastern Bloc and go "yeah, gimme some of that".
You're tarnished by recency bias. If this was the 1960s you would be on the street corner talking about the dangers of Communism because it was the current popular threat.
You being able to type the comment you did is a benefit of your capitalistic society. Having an internet connected device puts you way higher on the capitalism scale than a good majority of the world.
Look into the "Great Leap Forward" for the results of Communism.
>You being able to type the comment you did is a benefit of your capitalistic society.
Oh, can you list which of the *general* elements are exclusive to capitalism?
It’s because of the electoral college.
Florida is a swing state containing a large number of Cuban immigrants. These Cuban immigrants are single issue voters: their number 1 voting priority is voting for whoever causes as much damage to Cuba as possible. They want the entire system to collapse and the government to implode.
When Obama tried to reduce the sanctions on Cuba he faced a huge backlash from these voters and part of that backlash caused Trump to win Florida in 2016.
It's absolutely insane that any nation allows their elected representatives to have dual citizenship, meaning openly stating dual loyalties. If you don't have the conviction to give up your other citizenship to represent the people that voted for you, or were selected to in a place of government oversight, you have shown you are not loyal enough to represent that seat.
Marco Rubio is not a dual citizen. His father emigrated to the USA from Cuba BEFORE the revolution.
It's ALL about ideology for him.
Many of the Cuban immigrants to the US came from the land owning class that actually lost access to family resources, but that doesn't describe the Rubio family as far as I know.
I'm thinking you misinterpreted what they wrote - The other guy wasn't saying Rubio is doing anything because he *likes* Cuba, he's saying the opposite, that Rubio *doesn't like* Cuba. They're saying that members of the Cuban diaspora fled Cuba out of opposition for Castro's government, and that US-based ex-Cubans generally don't want good things for today's Cuba.
Florida is no longer a swing state. It went 56% for trump in 2024.
So it is no longer suicide for the Democrats to relieve sanctions as they've already lost Florida. We'll see what the next administration does
I hope it's not too late for Cuba by the next election. I'm sure Trump is going to try to knock out the Cuban government and replace it with some far right Miami Cubans
While it would be no fun for the Cuban people, I can't imagine a far right Miami Cuban holding power there for long. A second Cuban revolution would be kicking off before 2030, unless whoever the US puts in charge plans on making Pinochet look like Mr Rodgers in terms of brutality. Even if the current government isn't in its most popular position, a complete overhaul of their system just wouldn't hold up in my opinion.
>A second Cuban revolution would be kicking off before 2030
Not technically or technologically feasible anymore. Batista was overthrown because the US left him alone. Next revolution attempt, under AI panopticon, would get nipped in the sapling. And if they somehow manage to get to somewhere... Cuba is a thin stripe of land. Surround with warships and you could bomb any point of it in a width strip. Not to mention, planes could do 3 bombing runs before having to do a quick refuel in Florida or Puerto Rico. The only reason they don't do an all-out invasion is bc they know Cubans are much too wary of foreigners, and if they come bearing arms and not shiny gifts, they'll have to eradicate the 80% of Cubans that won't simply lie down and take it.
Just checked this. This is Reddit conspiracy bullshit.
The source for this claim is that Decision Desk HQ (DDHQ) real-time interactive map showed that for a brief moment
I have every bit of confidence the Democrats will completely fuck up their campaign if they bother to at all
I suspect many think Florida is lost anyhow so better to spend the money elsewhere
>These Cuban immigrants are single issue voters: their number 1 voting priority is voting for whoever causes as much damage to Cuba as possible.
You're dead wrong in what you wrote above, as a long time Floridian it's honestly kinda laughable. Florida's Hispanic population is also a bit more diverse than you seem to believe.
Hispanics vs Cubans. Quite a few are from the Muriel Boatlift, when the Cuban regime emptied their prisons and encouraged "undesirables" to move to the US.
> God. Watching what the USA is doing to Cuba is gut wrenching. Cubans haven’t known peace from US intervention since the fucking Spanish American war.
The Cubans in the USA voted for this. The Cubans in the U.S. also called for us to intervene in the Spanish American war. Cubans in the U.S. hate Cubans on the island.
This is pretty common among immigrant communities. Venezuelans and Cubans and Iranians living outside of those countries cheer while their people suffer from sanctions and bombs at home
Sure, I think though most of the young Iranians calling for Pahlavi in the country and diaspora during the protests weren’t exiles/peers of his from the pre-revolution days, but rather younger people who hadn’t lived through the horrors of the Shah and only the horrors of the Ayatollahs, and so had a naive nostalgia for a pre-Islamic Republic Iran.
It's also understandable why they would harbour feelings of nostalgia towards the Shah. His regime executed 100-300 political prisoners in 38 years, and possibly killed as many as 3,000 people. By contrast, the Islamic Republic executed 200 political prisoners in 1979, 8,000 political prisoners between 1980-1985, 5,000 political prisoners in 1988, and carried out close to 1,000 executions every year since its existence (though not all of these are of political prisoners). The government has also killed 72 protesters in 2009-2010, 23 in 2017, 1,000 in 2019, 11 in 2021, 551 in 2022, and 7,015-36,500 in January 2026 (the death toll since is unknown due to an internet blackout).
The movement to restore Pahlavi has also gained a lot of support amongst people in Iran, especially the young. After the failures of the 2009-2010 protests, which called for a reform of the Islamic republic (as opposed to an overthrow of it and return of the Shah), monarchist sentiment began to grow. This became quite visible during the 2016 Cyrus the Great protests, and most protests in Iran which have occurred since. It's also interesting to note that the Iranian regime did not massacre protesters in 2009-2010 (though did crack down heavily on them), but did start doing so after protesters starting calling for the return of the Shah, since they view these protests as a threat to their existence. That is further evidence that a Pahlavi Restoration is popular amongst Iranians in Iran, not just the diaspora, as often claimed.
Most of the Iranians who fled immediately after 1979 were liberals and leftists who were massacred after the Iranian Revolution. Plenty more have left the country since too. The Shah's ruling class itself was a small group.
Delusional take. Most Venezuelans, Cubans and Iranians abroad were oppressed in their countries and had to flee due to the tyrannical regimes making their people suffer.
Not quite the case for Iran, there’s been a steady flow of people from there in the years since the Islamic Revolution up until the (near, thanks Trump muslim ban) present. The Iranian regime is one of the most despised by its people in the world; and yet now many Iranians feel themselves under attack on 2 fronts. Heard a really sad perspective from some Iranians in Tehran yesterday, saying how they felt like they were under the tip of 2 spears - a war that the Islamic Republic has waged against her people, and a war nominally waged on their behalf by USA and Israel but overwhelmingly killing them. Just truly horrible situation.
That's some of them but not all of them. A lot of people have filed Venezuela or Cuba because of the economic hardships. I think an argument can be made that Maduro has made some serious missteps outside of the effects of the sanctions on Venezuela but I think that's less true for Cuba. I wouldn't ignore the effects of the sanctions in either case though.
I'm Polish and this was also something I realized when I moved abroad for a master's degree. It's crazy how much better the polish migrant community thinks it is than the Poles back home. I think they're overcompensating for harmful stereotypes they had to face as migrants. Anyway between them and those stereotypes, I moved back home after getting that degree. Can't be bothered to deal with that shit
Are you kidding? Why don’t you consider what the Cuban government is doing to its own people. Why do you think so many Cubans want to and have already fled this country INTO THE UNITED STATES?
That still doesn’t justify a starvation blockade lol. Nothing justifies the us stance toward Cuba. It’s murderous and vile and everyone who supports it should do some soul searching and maybe some deep sea exploration on a poorly made sub
Why don’t you think about the long term? How much better will it be for the Cuban people when they have a real government that actually wants to help its people?
Lmao that’s probably the funniest and most delusional thing you could have said. You think anyone placed into power by the us Kleptoregime is gonna HELP Cubans? No it’ll be an extractive kleptocracy because that’s the type of people the American regime wants: Corrupt, worthless toadies
It's an isolationist country for the longest time. Even if US has made things worse, there soon hasn't been much effort for any Caribbean neighbors. Or internally. You can apply blame to anyone but no one's hands are clean
Aggression with full support from US allies. People shouldn’t forget that the US can only commit these crimes thanks to full support of allied nations.
Canadian tourism was a big deal for Cuba, until the Americans blocked fuel imports. Canada's not giving full support to these actions, but our hands are tied.
It's so frustrating as a Canadian because we wish we could say "fuck you, we'll help Cuba anyway" but logistically we can't do anything. I'm still boycotting US as much as I realistically can, but it just sucks when the biggest, shittiest, ugliest baby is the one with largest gun.
Canada could do a lot more but the biggest problem to overcome for Canada is the learned helplessness by depending too much on it's friendly southern neighbour over the last 80 years.
The Cubans living in U.S. don't blame U.S. at all actually.
They blame Fidel Castro, his brother Raúl Castro, and now Miguel Díaz‑Canel...
Shocker, communist dictatorships that oppress their own people don't work....
It's true that the majority of Cubans report themselves as 'white' on the census, but that's using the local definition of whiteness. It certainly align with an American or European definition - probably being closer to the Brazilian notion of what it means to be white. Since 'white' isn't a real ethnic category, almost nobody means the same thing when they say it.
My broad point is that Cuba is a western creation, so using the “West” in opposition to Cuba does not make sense as a European settler state itself. But good point! Their definition of white and an American definition of white are not the same
> using the “West” in opposition to Cuba does not make sense as a European settler state itself.
Traditional Western countries still recognize the imperialist colonizer Cuban-government-in-exile, or at least their ownership rights if not an actual political body. So Cuba's government is absolutely a target of the larger 'West", i.e. it's an oppositional relationship, and I think it's cromulent to use that framing and phrasing..
Um, it’s irrelevant what they called it. The land mass that was occupied before Columbus arrived in the Americas had been under foreign rule until Castro. It’s been at conflict with the west until today.
You were talking about not knowing peace with the “west”, when Cuba as a concept is the result of European colonization. It is largely a settler state, like the bulk of the Americas. Using the “west” doesn’t make sense. If you had said, “Cuba hasn’t known peace with external powers/empires since Columbus, then I wouldn’t have even taken note.
You are splitting hairs on points that don’t matter. I said they, meaning the people living and inhabiting the island called Cuba. They have been raped, enslaved, tortured, and exploited since Columbus arrived. It was one sentence in a Reddit comment. Pointing out every little nuance that doesn’t even address the wider point is dumb.
I literally addressed your wider point by agreeing that Cubans have been fucked throughout their history, but you were wrong to equate the Taino as being the same as Cubans and that using the term “west” in opposition to the people of the island was not right. So, I addressed your broader point, while adding nuance.
You know, I can say the Uighurs are suffering under China. But I can also say Cubans ate suffering under the US. Pretty much all of latin america is stuck under their thumb. This is how this country has thrived for centuries while others with as much if not more resources have crumbled. But of course, they will blame it on their skin color...
As U.S. diplomat Lester D. Mallory [wrote in an internal memo in 1960](https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/27400-document-1-state-department-memorandum-decline-and-fall-castro-secret-april-6-1960):
> "every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba... denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government”
Explicit war crimes under our noses, all day every day.
What is even the pretext here for this blockade? Maduro and khomeini were at least pieces of shit themselves for a long time. I know next to nothing about Cuba’s current president.
Venezuela was previously selling oil to Cuba at extremely cheap prices, coming at expense of the Venezuelans themselves. Its surprising how people can identify French neocolonialism so easily yet completely ignore the same behavior from Cuba towards other countries. Angola in the Cold War, Venezuela today
Trump gastou 60bi jogando bombas na casa das pessoas do outro lado do mundo, mas pra ajudar a ilha comunista eles se fazem de cegos, pois a realidade é que os EUA são o país mais egoísta e parasitário do planeta.
In english, sorry guys..
Duckdonald trumpster spent 60 billion dollars dropping bombs, in peoples houses on the other side of the world, but to help the "comunist" island, they pretend to be blind, because reality is that USA is the most selfish and parasitic in the planet.
So we can understand, world is going trough some changes, "not for us" but for those people in their country, it is already happening. Hopefully for better but, who's in charge with this mess? Who manipulates market and benefit people who already have tons of money? Who speculates trough scientific research in academies to put a brand and some Copyright? In USA people die for diabetes, or in search of the money for It. In Brazil, government gives free, in China they are finding out how to erase It.
Who is giving most money to army? Because "politics doesnt matter" when there is a war. And what is behind this army? Christians? Muslims? Omg who cares at all? We need food house so we can think about family or Future. Land is sold. House is expensive, even when machines are doing the work. We are worried about bills, about learning the technology itself to make more bills, earn or lend money, wake up and do or choose to lose? Thats kinda shocking. Some 200kids died in Iran in the First day of war. I dont care about supreme leader anywhere because we got plenty other stuff going on. But this is money, used to slaughter. Its not Round6. Its2026.. we must rise as a generation
Which only happens when you use the reddit app though.
My comment was in Danish of all things, but the problem is my little protest, also gets auto translated for all the app users.
I guess the trend explains the absolute nonsense you se on here sometimes, machine translation is not all the way there yet.
Unless it’s in the settings and I missed it, the USA app doesn’t auto-translate. I had to tap the translate button next to your user name to translate your comment.
It’s auto translating for me.
I swear earlier today there was a button to press that detects if a post is AI or not. It disappeared right after I pressed it this morning
Honestly, i would be thrilled if all people wrote in their native language. Use the main site for auto translate and old reddid lets me read a babbel caesar salad in the threads. I suffer from the "want to learn all languages" disease though.
I see this news every few years. Every few years everyone says this is the end of cuba. Every time I point this out, someone tells me this time it is different. It never is. Every time I point it out, I get downvoted to oblivion. Cuba will be fine.
Well, Cuba deserves it. I mean, remember when they...
*flips pages*
...agreed to host Soviet missiles 60 years ago? Further from the US than the US were placing their missiles from the Soviet Union in Europe? It was only 60 years ago! And remember when they planned to do mass killings? But they didn't do it because JFK stopped them?
Huh? You're saying that was the CIA? Not Cuba? Oh.
Uh...
Well, they're kind of tan?
Let's say what it is..Cuba could have been a U.S. territory or ally if U.S. wanted it. (U.S. toppled dictators before)
The only reason Cuba is left as an enemy is racism
The president being old enough to remember the cuban missile crisis also doesnt help. You know his opinion on cuba was shaped 60 years ago and hasnt changed.
The US agreed to not invade Cuba, in exchange for the Soviets withdrawing their missiles. Trump invading then could be considered a violation of that agreement.
It's rarely said as US war crimes stack up, but the blockage has always targeted the average Cuba person, so it is now, and has always been, a war crime.
Tbf, or not so much fair but brutally honest, that's the US standard practice. If Americans could see the US from outside the patriotic bubble they'd be genuinely ashamed
I am starting to think the US president has a bit too much power for that country to be called a democracy.
Should they switch to an electoral dictatorship?
It's an isolationist country for the longest time. Even if US has made things worse, there soon hasn't been much effort for any Caribbean neighbors. Or internally. You can apply blame to anyone but no one's hands are clean
Cuba should make peace with the United States, it's the only pragmatic option. Many people think Ukraine should make peace with Russia to end the unnecessary bloodshed, let's be consistent with our views here.
Western aggression has been legitimised for a couple hundred years, that ship has long sinced sailed The people are suffering, make the damn concessions and then rebuild, you can regroup on your political ideologies later
Obviously for you ‘sticking it to the USA’ is more important than an entire country of peoples actual lives.
Yeah its called, the country thats crushing you doesnt actually give a fuck about that at all, because no one has the ability to enforce that on them
We can all make bleeding heart statements about the idealised perfect scenario that should happen, or we can talk about whats actually happening in the real world we live in
Must feel real good for you to be calling out others as being too naive to give concessions when you are on the safe side of these conflicts. At the very least, you should see how unfair both propositions offered by the US are. Laws were made to protect those without the means, not those with it to begin with.
Not what I said. Just saying that basically saying "suck it up for your own good" is somewhat insensitive, especially coming from people who are unlikely to ever be put in that position. The appeal to law comes from the fact that laws were made to prevent this very same abuse of power over the powerless. People who are only ever on the taking side of this exchange are seemingly disencitized to what it means since there is no enforcement.
Not to mention, this outcome is exactly why the US forces this choice upon them. The US admin is the one plenty happy having other people die, not some other group. That is the entire reason they even do this.
I just read two news stories in a row in my news feed:
1. Cuba is in deep trouble.
2. The Canadian and British prime ministers promised to put pressure on Russia.
Don't the Canadian and British prime ministers want to put pressure on the US at the same time? That's how it works, right?
Canada has put as much pressure on the USA as it's capable of without destroy its own nation. Just because that amount is within a rounding error of zero doesn't mean they aren't trying.
Oh, so i am assuming you have managed to convince your govt and it's neighbours to aid Cuba? That's why you are interested in what countries on other continents are doing. Fantastic, i am assuming a massive relief effort will soon arrive from Asia, right?
I don't know how else to answer you politely. Please read this carefully:
I'm interested in two defenders of justice from Canada and England.
That's all. Your desire to shift the conversation to my country is also uninteresting.
Because your interest in Canada and UK is as arbitrary as my interest in your country. None of those countries is involved in the embargo. So, it's a very simply matter of: why do you care so much about Canada and UK while your own country does absolutely nothing?
I slowly reach for the user block button.
It's all tense and trembling.
For some reason, Fatboy Slim Push the Tempo is playing in my head.
And here we are.
There is absolutely no point in engaging with this particular individual. He is a well-known regular local russophobe. That said, I must admit it has been quite entertaining to watch the gradual deterioration of his arguments—and how increasingly difficult it has become for him to conceal his rather obvious xenophobia. The rough roadmap looks something like this:
* **At the beginning:** *In the 21st century, wars are unacceptable. Russia has committed an act of unprovoked aggression by attacking a weak country desperately striving for democracy and freedom, forced to defend itself against the bloodiest and most corrupt dictator imaginable. We unequivocally condemn aggression in all its forms and call on the entire world to punish Russia. Our principles are unwavering. Sovereignty above all. And we categorically oppose any external interference in the domestic politics of Western democracies.*
* **After the events in Gaza:** Well… actually, it’s not that we condemn aggression in absolutely every case. The situation here is complicated—you have to understand. We’re sort of against it, but who can really say who’s right and who’s wrong? There was October 7th and… well… all that. There *was* a provocation after all. And besides, it’s only natural that we’re more concerned about a conflict happening right next door, so let’s not get carried away here! Our principles are… still… unwavering… more or less. Sovereignty above all!
* **After the U.S. announces tariff wars and starts floating the idea of annexing Greenland:** Our principles… wait, what about them? What principles? We don’t recall any principles. Yes, Daddy Trump. Our apologies—Western values are temporarily on a technical break. In the meantime, please continue to remember the importance of national sovereignty! The rules-based international order… and all that good stuff.
* **After the U.S. invasion of Venezuela and the kidnapping of its head of state (plus a few conveniently forgotten civilian ships that got shot at along the way):** Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your patience. Sovereignty? Well, these particular countries are, shall we say, *less sovereign*. Ukrainian sovereignty, now *that’s* a serious matter. Besides, it barely hurt. In and out—dictator gone. Nobody important suffered. So why all the panic?
* **After the Epstein scandal:** Look, that’s completely different. Totally unrelated. Let’s not descend into conspiracy theories. The important thing is to stay focused on defending democracy, freedom, and the rules-based order—at least when it’s convenient. Nothing to see here. And don’t forget: Russians and the Putin government are the most corrupt people on Earth. Pure evil.
* **After the U.S. and Israel strike Iran:** Why are you even bothering us about this? What have *you* done, exactly? We’re just standing over here on the sidelines. We punished Russia! Russia was punished! That’s our contribution to global stability. We’re the good guys here—you should be grateful.**<<< you are here**
This is probably interesting from an entomological point of view but I'm too lazy for all that. I just came here for a laugh, not for serious business.
They would never do this. Nobody have balls to oppose USA, except China. Israel would never be under sanctions, western companies will continue to work in Israel and Israel citizens will keep using their VISA and Mastercards. Same with USA. Whole talk "we need to pressure Russia to stop the invasion" is pure bullshit. putin gave USA reason to do what they always wanted to do
Bro, I'm so tired of trying to figure out if someone is being serious, being ironic, post-ironic, or just plain stupid, so I downvoted you in the name of fairness. Sorry if I didn't get it.
The proper communist experience. Yet another country had to learn the lessons of that failed ideology. If you are above 22 and you still believe in it you are an utter moron.
Trump in his first term. Removed the normalize of relations with Cuba. Something Obama guy tried to move forward with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba#Cuban_thaw
I live in Florida, most Cuban men I talk to are for what Trump is doing in Cuba. They hope it works, but then hearing the stories of what their families are going through. You would think they would have more reservations, I can't make sense of it.
I know the majority of Latin voters for Trump were Cubans and Dominican Americans. Since I haven't lived in their shoes, I dont say much back, other than I sincerely hope tha they find happiness and good health.
There was [an experiment](https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2019/02/heat-your-house-with-a-mechanical-windmill/) in Denmark about four decades ago, which had the aim of using a windmill (of course) to generate heat without any electricity. It did this by use of a fluid brake. This was powered directly by mechanical energy, as was the pump that send heated fluid to insulated tanks, which could then be tapped for heating tasks.
As much energy is used in tasks like cooking, it would be interesting to have a source of heat for cooking or boiling water that could not be embargoed, especially if it can be assembled out of things that are just laying around.
Oh look more horrible stuff! Its time like these where I question if its one terrible person or just all of humanity. When do we hold accountable the ones that let it fall to this. If we do we have to hold each and everyone of us accountable. We as a species fail ourselves. We have zero drive to actually be a peaceful species and think nothing collectively and only focus solely. Even if we wipe out most of us in a war the ones left behind would just do it all over again. Where is the big rock and when is it hitting this hole of a planet?
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