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Could Montenegro ever become the Switzerland of the Balkans?

Posted by biomclub@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 155 comments

Curious what people from the region think

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Own-Interaction9471@reddit

No they are too lazy - joke aside Their problem is mafia, if they can solve that could become anything
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Super-Owl2829@reddit

I would add Albania too.They have spectacular nature.
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ola_komos_taeu@reddit

I am from mne No
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person1549@reddit

Lot of people here taling about mentality n shit, i have a different take. Nordic countries used to be a bunch of pillagers/vikings, basically savages. Today they are a synonim for organised society, so nothing is permanent my friend. Another example is South Korea who has a smaller gdp per capita than Ghana in the 60s. Esentially my point is, anything can haopen with a good leadership and a some luck. Since Montenegro is a small country they are gonna need a lot of luck. If you guys start doing hardcore neutrality like Switzerland, and slowly build up your wealth an economy while staying out of balkan politics, i see no reason why you wouldnt eventually become very wealthy. You also have sea access and are very mountainous like Switzerland which makes invading more difficult so thise are pluses in my book.
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glimerica@reddit

Moža je moguće da dođe do promjene ako bukvalno kao na dugme krepaju svi ovi ratni huškači, domaći izdajnici kojima je neka tuđa država milija od svoje i vijerski fanatici koji bi najradije da se vratimo u 12.vijek. Ne zelim naravno ovim da kazem da su svi vijernici fanatici, daleko od toga, ali mnooogo je ovih koji ne umiju ni do wc-a poći ako im pop ne objasni kako. Ma o čemu pričamo naši političari moraju popove da slušaju kakve odluke da donesu...a oćemo u Evropsku uniju... Ne možemo nikako postati bogatiji dok god se cijeli budzet Crne Gore zasniva na 4 mjeseca đe možeš otići na plažu. U gradove koji nisu Budva i Podgorica se ne ulaže centa jednog ni za što, a u oba ta grada se jedino grade zgrade raspale ogavne u kojima će stanove da kupe oni koji ih već posjeduju 10. Samo se gradi a o infrastrukturi apsolutno niko ne razmišlja, puteve pojedine neću ni da pominjem osim Budva-Tivat koji može da posluži kao odlična terapija za ove ljude koji imaju pijesak u bubregu jer dok se voziš imaš osjećaja da jašeš magarca a ne da sjediš u autu. O tome da planine mogu da nas spasu od nekog potencijalnog napada nema ništa s obzirom da se ne borimo više jataganima protiv turaka koji jurišaju nego će ako se zamjerimo nekom, da nam fište ovđe jednu raketicu navođenu preko nekog kompa 200km odavde i pozz. Ima ovdje i gomila pozitivnih stvari ali samo za one koji cijene neki svoj mir, poznatu okolinu i lijepu prirodu. I da, prva rečenica koju si napisao/napisala o mentalitetu, nije trebalo ici dalje, jer imaš ogroman broj mladih koji su potpuno zatrovani pričama ovih starih huškača i oni misle da je to totalno okej da su jedine stvari o kojima razmisljas: je li ti komsija druge nacionalnosti od tvoje, koliko para zaradjuje, i kako se prošlo na kladionicu sinoć... ne postoji nikakav koristan sadržaj za mlade ljude koji žele da se produhove malo ili makar vide nešto drugo, tako da ja ne mogu biti optimista kao ti po pitanju ovih stvari ali eto, nadam se da će vrijeme pokazati da nisam bio u pravu
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RegionSignificant977@reddit

Norway was poorer than Balkan nations little over 100 years ago. Most of Balkan Nations at least.
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Defiant-Dare1223@reddit

It will be again one day as they have the wrong mindset to stay rich. It's entirely petro driven
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Swedish-Potato-93@reddit

They found oil. Doesn't count.
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person1549@reddit

Werent they already pretty rich by ww2? I saw a map somewhere kf gdos per capita in 1938 and they were near the top.
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gs_ansvarlig@reddit

Yh, er were allready quite Well off due to shipbuilding and lumber trade
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Decent_Concern8751@reddit

Rich countries who got their wealth through oil and pillaging love to lecture developing nations about how they shouldn’t do that
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getinthezone@reddit

Switzerland isnt a nordic country, they werent savages since the roman empire
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PeriodontosisSam@reddit

China already invaded them with their "investments"
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Significant-Yam9843@reddit

As a Brazilian who had an amazing time travelling around the Balkans, I consider your region such an underrated area in Europe and in no way or form you guys would lose for some "swiss something". Come on, as we say in Brazil, you guys have the "souce"!
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Latter_Cranberry6184@reddit

They have almost no infrastructure. In rural areas, water is pumped from tanker vans, no public transportation, unreliable electricity, no official currency. Your household waste is transported once a week from the center of the village. I think it is safe to say no, it won’t even get close to that in the next 50 years.
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Barbak86@reddit

No. None of the Balkan states will become Switzerland, no matter how many mountains we have. For that you need the swiss. We don't have any swiss people.
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person1549@reddit

All people are the same, you literally see balkans workers, from.countruction workers to engineers, emigrating to the west and then performing just as well in their roles as their western counterparts. The Swiss are not some superhumans who are smarter and more capabke than us, they simply had the fortune to not be stuck in the war for 200 years. If balkan leaders could just calm the fuck down for 100 years, we would all be among the wealthiest nations in the world, we are smart, crafty and hardworking, its just that war and the corruotion that apoears because of constant wars are holding us back.
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avz86@reddit

The wars didn't happen just by themselves, but were a product of the incompetence and general stupidity of the people. The leaders are just a reflection of the people.
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person1549@reddit

Its not like the "advamced" part of Europe doesnt fight wars, i mean in Germany frickin Hitler came to power less than 100 years ago, does this mean the Germans are dumb?
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avz86@reddit

Brother I am Balkan just like you and you cannot compare Germany and our region, not even close. Look at their history of innovation, their nobel prize winners, their industry, their technological advancements, it is night and day.
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person1549@reddit

Its because Germany introduced free and mandatory education 100 years before other countries so they had a head start. You dont seriously think Germans are naturally smarter than us right? If Albania introduced free mandatory education at the same time they would have just as successful of a history as Germany. Its all about the way things are ran and laws that are made.
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avz86@reddit

I actually do think they are naturally smarter, on average and on the extremes. No, they would not be successful as germany. Do you think Zimbabwe would be as successful as Japan as well?
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Professional-Fee-488@reddit

You clearly never worked with Germans.
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person1549@reddit

If you believe that they are naturally smarter there is no point in arguing.
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avz86@reddit

I agree, I hope you don't overdose on copium hoping that the balkans one day become even Austria, let alone Germany.
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Adorable-Ad-1180@reddit

Im pretty sure if you carved out any random 1000km2 area in the balkans, and moved only swiss people there in 100 years it'd be the richest and nicest part of the balkans.
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Happy-Hour88@reddit

You do realize we had advance civilizations here far before Switzerland even existed, right?
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nasrcukvar@reddit

Mesopotamia was the cradle of civilization, doesn’t mean that Iraq today is the most civilized place on earth
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person1549@reddit

I respectfully disagree. I think your stance on this and the fact that a lot of people share it is one of the big reasons why we still lag behind the west. If we dont believe we can build a good wealthy country, how are we supposed to build a good wealthy country?
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Korin23@reddit

Being Switzerland of the Balkans seems like the wet dream of every Balkan country
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captain-lowrider@reddit

could my grandmother become a bike of she had wheels?
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Lepi_Deba@reddit

Nope. Its deeply tribal society
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JoeSatana@reddit

I hope no, Switzerland is a horrible place
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Jake24601@reddit

Yes. After a morning nap and second breakfast.
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sjedinjenoStanje@reddit

Too many Russians flooding in...maybe down the road.
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Aragohov@reddit

What people don't understand is that Russian immigrants don't "russify" the country they are immigrating into. Those are mostly wealthy people with jobs who dislike Russian politics, war, anti-eu mindset. So thats why they are leaving. I recall Putin getting something like 10%? in Belgrade on last elections. They may be reluctant to learn the language and blend into society, at least the old ones, but they also do no harm... except inflating renting prices
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emgfc@reddit

Russian people who can afford to live abroad are usually working for Western companies, which already means they’ve had to learn languages and pick up new skills. That’s why their incomes are often 3-4x higher than the local median; they are not typical average Russian citizens. At the same time, they often don’t have the time or energy to learn a third language. It’s also hard to stay motivated when you don’t even know where you’ll end up living in a couple of years.
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justuniqueusername@reddit

IMF says  ... \[ Economic\] growth has been fueled by strong consumption of residents and by an inflow of affluent Russian and Ukrainian migrants since 2022.
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sjedinjenoStanje@reddit

No doubt. But unless Switzerland has also been admitting thousands of Russians, then Montenegro is not all that similar to it.
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deviendrais@reddit

I think this really isn’t the answer OP was hoping for since he’s a Russian immigrant living in Montenegro lol
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emgfc@reddit

Switzerland has one of the largest financial and banking sectors in the world. It is also strong in heavy machinery, precision engineering, optics, and science. For Montenegro to reach that level, it would require generations of a stable, business-friendly environment to build the necessary investments and, more importantly, trust. Most likely, that opportunity has already passed. China is expected to dominate much of manufacturing and scientific development, while established financial-service countries are unlikely to give up their positions easily. One thing is certain: Montenegro can still develop into a country where people stop littering. It may take 20–30 years, but that change is achievable.
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MarshalKos@reddit

Macedonia is famously Balkan Switzerland, as is Bulgaria Balkan Prussia
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DogBrilliant8100@reddit

Lol this has to be sarcasm.
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arisaurusrex@reddit

Every country can be a Switzerland. It starts with the Goverment and ends with the people.
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DogBrilliant8100@reddit

The government is a reflection of the people.
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Visible-Climate-6920@reddit

It all starts with the people
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Defiant-Dare1223@reddit

Isn't that Slovenia
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Faust29A@reddit

Hahahahahahahaahhaahhahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Bobinho4@reddit

No, the rocket must be pointy
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mrsimud@reddit

No. Its more like Colombia.
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Fun-Button-7270@reddit

Aesthetically beautiful, but lots of drugs and gang activity? 😀
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Street_Arm_4965@reddit

☝️🤓 debil
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Significant-Yam9843@reddit

Well, Colombia is definetely more adventurous, fun and with breathtaking views. It has vulcans, deserts, amazon forest, Los Andes, caribbean islands, pacific coast and atlantic coast.
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Fun-Button-7270@reddit

The biodiversity is basically all latin american countries is crazy
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No_Stomach_2341@reddit

Colombia is shit compared to Montenegro. In 100 some kilometers tou have insane amount of diversity and breathtaking views. Colombia is way bigger, not comparable. You can literally swim in the sea (Adriatic sea 50x better than anything Colombia has for swimming), then climb the hill and in 2 hours of climbing be in position for skiing. You won't fins that anywhere else in the world. Literally. Yes, you can swimm anywhere, but we're talking about perfect sea temperatures here 
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Significant-Yam9843@reddit

I was comparing Colombia and Switzerland to begin with. Weirdo
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No_Magazine_6806@reddit

It could but it is much more difficult nowadays. After all, Switzerland has always been the safe place for the money of politicians, mafia, nazis, you name it. Because all those people had money there, nobody wanted to rock the boat.
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Everaction@reddit

With enough Templar Knights everything is possible.
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rmtal@reddit

I don't know, but I know that there's a chance of Switzerland becoming the Balkans
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DemandNew8116@reddit

xD
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Astro_Onyx@reddit

Oh yes if they wouldn't work hard as Swiss 😂😂
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NobleK42@reddit

Obviously, the Switzerland of the Balkans is Slovenia, but if we were to further, I would perhaps look more to Bosnia. This is mostly because Montenegro has such a prominent coast that I would compare it more to (northern) Italy than Switzerland.
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Visible-Climate-6920@reddit

What "Switzerland of the Balkans"? The country saw an influx of educated IT migrants - instead of integrating them and using them to develop IT infrastructure, it created conditions that are pushing them to leave for Europe, where they are actually valued. Due to negligence, the police allowed unrest and arson on ethnic grounds - as a result, Turkish investors and tourists don’t want to deal with the country. Politicians claim they want to attract wealthy tourists, yet there is neither the infrastructure nor the level of service to support that. The economy relies on tourism, with no real diversification. Switzerland has finance, industry, technology, and strong institutions. Montenegro, for now, has mostly empty rhetoric, missed opportunities, and a belief that a rich tourist will somehow fix everything....
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Remote_Succotash@reddit

A big part is nature, another part is mentality and culture. So, to answer your question: No, not in the foreseeable future. They should look for their unique place on the tourist map - something distinctive.
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Intrepid_Walk_5150@reddit

Possibly. They already mastered the "launder mafia money" step.
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pirupirpupuri@reddit

Que no se entere la OTAN
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preduhitrivac111@reddit

Hahahahahahahahahah NO, never. Thay have nice nature but shity mentality
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vladgrinch@reddit

These comparisons are always stupid. Usually pushed forward by populist politicians. In R. Moldova politicians promised to create the Switzerland of the East for decades. Is R. Moldova anything even remotely close to Switzerland today?
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SpadeGaming0@reddit

No it has a coastline.
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Unitedpossibles@reddit

Montenegro doesn’t look like this. Maybe from one, very narrow perspective. Behind this lens is dead animals all over the streets, trash everywhere, and a reckless laziness that results in excessive protectionism, terrible treatment of the environment and living things.
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Novel-Corner-7038@reddit

I doubt it. Never felt more unwelcome than in that country, it's like people only care about how to make the most money off you and nothing else. Bad service wherever I went. Not going back there anytime soon.
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onchobg@reddit

There is only one Switzerland of the Balkans, and it's not Montenegro.
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NebelNator_427@reddit

Is it super rich and always neutral in Balkan conflicts?
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505524hr@reddit

Lots of hard working people working long hours...very possible
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CurrentCold5723@reddit

Maybe if the Swiss replaced the Montenegrins
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SkibidiDopYes@reddit

You already have Slovenia for that.
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Perversion_Prophet@reddit

Monte-what???
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mw2lmaa@reddit

Black Hill.
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mw2lmaa@reddit

Switzerland is lightyears ahead in storing mafia money.
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44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit

Even Bosnia could but ultimately, it's Slovenia and always will be
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Dry_Technology69@reddit

All vegetation in the country fits on that foto.
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smellysmellyhairline@reddit

Switzerland should be the Montenegro of western europe
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fbass@reddit

Switzerland is the Montenegro of the Alps! Proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzberg_(Lepontine_Alps)
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Grouchy_Proposal1816@reddit

It took me a minute to get it.
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Happy-Hour88@reddit

But they're landlocked so Montenegro is superior being coastal in my book.
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throwawayRAapfel@reddit

Literally every balkan country is absolutely gorgeous. We just need better organisation and be better as people.
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mordax777@reddit

Sorry, we already have that title.
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Da_Kold1@reddit

Yeah I agree You can have it fr
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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

No we don’t. If Slovenian Alps are Balkan then also Switzerland is Balkan.
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Kvaezde@reddit

Ma tebi je jasno, da je oznaka "Švica Balkana" stara miljon let? Sam jih imam 41 in sem ravno to oznako slišal kot mali otrok. Bemti...
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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

Druga Švica, ne “Švica Balkana” ☺️
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Da_Kold1@reddit

No way... Too many fundamental issues and not enough will power to change anything in a meaninful way. Nature is great though.
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CandidateNecessary89@reddit

Such evil joke
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nuns44@reddit

U know that switzwrland aint just mountains and views right?
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Pelya1@reddit

Become ultra conservative and chauvinistic? Yeah, I bet they can
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RegionSignificant977@reddit

Damn, that's beautiful. Best wishes to Montenegro! Switzerland is boring.
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Meowmeowmeow31@reddit

No, Montenegrins are much friendlier.
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Ok_Echidna6546@reddit

Of coure not. For obvious reasons....Balkan mindset...
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person1549@reddit

Balkans mindset is bs and just an excuse and has nothing to do with balkans being poor. A countries wealth is a product of its history and geography. Italy is a good example, same people, but geography simply favors the north a lot more (less mointains, navigable rivers, arable land, proximity to other European countries enabking trade etc.).
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Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit

They're not the same people lol Southerners have 50% non european dna, north less than 10%
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biomclub@reddit (OP)

how to change?
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No_Designer_8203@reddit

You can't
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ItHappensSo@reddit

The YEARLY disposable median income in Montenegro is around 4000€ In Switzerland it’s around 5000€ MONTHLY so there is still a bit to go lol
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riquelm@reddit

No, because we only have Balkan people living in it :D
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SoggyCharacter2569@reddit

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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PersimmonTall8157@reddit

I mean whole of Balkan can get that title. Mountains ain’t really unique to Montenegro, you got Slovenia, Bosnia, North Macedonia etc
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Gibbonswing@reddit

forgetting that slovenia exists?
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OkMixture323@reddit

Going to slovenia is like finding an onion ring in your fries. Going to Montenegro is like being arnold schwarzerneger
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shogunlazo@reddit

😮🙌💯
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Elgecko123@reddit

lol what does this even mean? I get the first one
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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

Slovenian Alps are not in Balkan. By this logic Switzerland is Balkan too.
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ExtremeProfession@reddit

or Bosnia
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vlaada7@reddit

Only a smart part on the Balkans, and even that depends on how you define the Balkans.
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shogunlazo@reddit

Naaah ... It would heavily interfere with their sleep schedule 😅
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horizontal120@reddit

Where is the first photo at?
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learnedsubject@reddit

Black Lake in Žabljak, Durmitor. Must see if you go to Montenegro.
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RedditAnonDude@reddit

How far from Mount Doom?
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cleaner007@reddit

Everyone was amazed with Žabljak, I heard from a few bike drivers that it's awesome
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Every_Okra_3604@reddit

Switzerland
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ThePresindente@reddit

The only country that would have that opportunity is Slovenija.
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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

Slovenia is not Balkan.
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ExpertOwn7301@reddit

If west decides to hide/launder their money there 🤭
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hilmiira@reddit

No no one in balkans can be no shit of the balkans never
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Kobinicnierobi@reddit

what's going on in your country? are you organized around the worship of the black mountain? Is there another mountain besides the black mountain? How many cities you have?
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GreyGardener92@reddit

No swiss people work
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Substantial-One1934@reddit

Oh please stop underestimating yourself, what more have Switzerland that we don't have in the Balkans except banks. I don't know why we keep comparing.For me the Balkans are the best place in the world.
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The5thGreatApe@reddit

No Balkan country will ever be Switzerland. Never ever.
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Interesting-Ant-6726@reddit

Ha ha, no greenery on second pic
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firma_man@reddit

It is already the Switzerland of the Balkans on the nature side, but classic Balkan on the political side.
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freakybird99@reddit

If switzerland becomes infested with mafia, probably
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depraved_onion@reddit

Each of the Balkan states should be their own unique thing. I've been to Switzerland and I'd rather go to one of the Western Balkan states for holidays hands down every single time. You get the same mountains at a quarter of the price or less, with way WAY better food and much nicer and more interesting people. The only thing that's currently missing is the skiing infrastructure. I can't speak for everyone as I am not a big skiier but if the price of getting that infrastructure is losing what currently makes each of our counties unique I'd rather just not get it.
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SolMediaNocte@reddit

We can't even solve the illegal parking problem - something even impoverished 3rd world nations without stable electricity grid got figured out decades ago - let alone approach the level of societal organization of something like Greece. Switzerland? Rofl.
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xstagex@reddit

It could. It just needs to open some private banks to start launder the money of druglords and criminals. And open some private schools to teach the children of the mega rich and dictators of the world. In about 10-20 years it will be same or better even.
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meigei30@reddit

Where is the 2nd picture from?
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zog_i_zi@reddit

Montenegro is Montenegro. And that region is something special historically, culturally and by natural beauty. I don’t understand your question. Do you mean economically?
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Icy-Engineering9912@reddit

I personally think it is just as beautiful, I’d much rather holiday in Montenegro than Switzerland.
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Inevitable_Motor_685@reddit

I guess Montengero could be a better travel destination due to its weather.
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Bobipicolina@reddit

I reckon it could also be better due to it being much cheaper than Switzerland
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Ok_Gur_575@reddit

No. Our mentality is in the way 
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BarnaclePotential132@reddit

No chance. It’s not just nature, it’s culture (especially the people), history, and much more. If you have to use another country’s name to describe what you hope to become, that’s already a problem in itself. The Balkan countries won’t change for generations. There aren’t enough people who can truly create change. That’s why so many young ppl leave. We are draining our own future.
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jinawee@reddit

You mean one of the most direct democracies in the world, high level of civic duty, transparency...?
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crivycouriac@reddit

It’s too centralized for that
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biomclub@reddit (OP)

Is Montenegro centralized? Where are you from?
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deviendrais@reddit

What kind of retarded question is this? It's already better than Switzerland!
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CamelAmbitious7425@reddit

Montenegro is beautiful but what makes it better?
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vlaada7@reddit

It’s waaaaaaaay cheaper?😄
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CamelAmbitious7425@reddit

Yeah but also waaaaaaay dirtier and poorer. Sorry as i already said, Montenegro is beautiful but Switzerland is another Dimension.
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vlaada7@reddit

I know, I know, I was just joking.🙃
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More_Ad_5142@reddit

No.
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jaleach@reddit

Huh look at that more jaw dropping views. Do you guys ever stop and marvel at all of the national beauty you see every day?
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brickne3@reddit

Ah yes, the famous Swiss coastline... Who could forget the beauty of the Bay of Klotzen 😉
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Rupan_Sansei_06@reddit

???
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HumanMan00@reddit

If we r talking about mountain nature tourism - oh yes with probably not mych money needed.
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Inevitable_Motor_685@reddit

In what sense? Beauty?
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Ok-Option-1568@reddit

it kinda is already
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