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The death of cinema

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The death of cinema

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Munscroft@reddit

maybe they should try watching something other than marvel movies then
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gasp_@reddit

But but... the heroes in the opening scenes? Will they save the day with Deus ex Machina and plot armour (yes armour with a U)?
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cm2460@reddit

Yeah they suck
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bartholomewjohnson@reddit (OP)

Remember the says when *Thor: The Dark World* was considered the worst MCU movie? Good times.
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The_Meemeli@reddit

What, you mean we gotta watch stuff that doesn't have a 200 million dollar marketing campaign or a critical drinker video about it??????
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TheMorbidHobo@reddit

They are super fucking long for no good reason. Pacing was a huge issue, 100%. Could have been 2 movies, if not one, of 3 with normal run lengths.
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jayeddy99@reddit

It’s that the kids growing up with Cars 2 are now getting to a age that yes. That was a impactful movie for their childhood . I listen to this podcast that things Ron Howard’s The Grinch was garbage for me that is great movie . A few years from now some iPad kid will talk about How The Emoji movie was their childhood or wreck it Ralph 2 was a masterpiece
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twofacetoo@reddit

Yep, same with why people keep gassing up the Star Wars prequels these days, their nostalgia is overriding actual judgment of the product as a whole
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abattlescar@reddit

I really don't think anyone unironically sees them as like brilliant movies, they've just come to appreciate the series and the elements that were actually great.
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MilanDespacito@reddit

Or the clone wars. "Bro its so dark why does everyone say its a kids cartoon" as if most of us werent committing genocide with our LEGOs, then later in the older GTAs, and all that before we even knew our dicks can get hard. I feel like all the clone sloppers just grew up really sheltered and knew what violence was before 15. Filoni is extremely overrated too, just look at the book of boba
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sofa_adviser@reddit

I believe the case with prequels is "great ideas, poor execution" The clumsy dialogue and overused cgi will gradually fade away from memory, while the idea of a hero falling from grace while a grand Republic falls into dictatorship will remain captivating Personally, I like not so much prequels per se, but rather the idea of prequels - and the media that expands on said idea(books, Clone Wars etc)
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Bears_On_Stilts@reddit

Tom Stoppard, George Lucas’s go-to ghost writer, is a pretty legendary playwright who specializes in ambiguity and double meaning. Lucas couldn’t have written the opera scene (in which Palpatine tells Anakin a parable that could refer to any of his three rumored parentages equally, yet refuses to confirm any of them) himself.
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acart005@reddit

I stood by RotS before it was cool. TPM blows almost as much as the sequels though excluding Maul.
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leastemployableman@reddit

RoTS is objectively the best Star Wars film. The dialogue is a bit shaky in the 1st half an hour but so was a lot of the dialogue in Empire Strikes Back.
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TheDeflatables@reddit

TPM has pod racing, duel of the fates, and Maul. Attack of the Clones has none of that, and an even more angst filled Anakin. TPM > AotC
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Neomataza@reddit

I had to rewatch TPM in the original english to get why people hate it so much. Just like with saving the original Star Wars in the editing room, TPM can be much improved by a decent translation/voicetrack. Iirc Tatooine became several times more engaging by having jar jar, kid anakin and a handful of other characters talk with less inflection. This is especially important because anakin and jar jar are carrying each one of the 4 climactic sequences at the end of the movie. Doesn't transform it into high art, but even trash can be fun and engaging, and TPM can achieve that. AOTC cannot, with all those exceedingly long and awkward non-love scenes in the middle. I once heard Anakin and Padme having less chemistry than a chair stacked on another chair in that film and I can't express it better.
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DJC13@reddit

Attack of the Clones is far worse than TPM (except for all of the Kamino scenes & the seismic charge, those parts are kino).
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acart005@reddit

I enjoy meme'ing on AotC.  But yes it is also not great.  RotS was Worthy though.
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Bears_On_Stilts@reddit

I think Grinch 2000 genuinely plays better today than it did on release because it’s not an aberration anymore. The gaudy ugly-cute aesthetic and the over the top cartoonishness mixed with extreme cynicism didn’t have a big cultural foothold at the time, especially in things aimed at a kid and family audience. Grinch 2000 is basically doing SpongeBob in live action, in a moment before SpongeBob had become the dominant cultural voice of its era in family entertainment.
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acart005@reddit

I don't see that happening for the last two Ralph 1 was outstanding tho.
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abattlescar@reddit

I only hear this sentiment from 1 of 2 types of people: terminally brainrotted movie critics that watch 500 movies a year and lash out due to burnout, or people who haven't kept up with cinema in 20 years. There's some good fucking movies lately, and there were some good movies in the past. It's crazy how that works.
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RazorPulsar@reddit

Cars 2 was so dogshit. Glad cars 3 was a return to form
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Ok_Statement_7836@reddit

Cars 2 is the best one in the series and I will die on that hill
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stop_being_taken@reddit

Cars 2 is the only movie in the trilogy that would be fundamentally different if you make the characters humans instead of living cars. As dumb as the movie may be, it absolutely takes the premise of a world of living cars and goes the distance with it
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PolarBearBalls2@reddit

Same, love cars 2
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OrangeHairedTwink@reddit

It's so dumb and I love it for that
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Luz5020@reddit

Cars 2 hate is straight up forced. Third Movie is a carbon copy of the first and people still glaze those.
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ManBeSerious@reddit

being creative doesnt mean its a good movie, cars 3 is definitely not the same as cars 1 have you watched it?
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Luz5020@reddit

Yeah I watched them all, but I‘m tired of people hating on cars 2 for being original when cars 3 felt like an adaptation of the first movie.
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Seffuski@reddit

It really is, it became a meme to hate on it for some reason, while it's the most creative one in the series
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RaiderCat_12@reddit

Yeah, my opinion as well. Hell, at least it’s creative and does need to try and pull the already repeated *ad nauseam* “same basic plot as the first movie but the protagonist is old and has lost his shine” formula.
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chadxor@reddit

Cars 2 makes cars 3 look like cars 1
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Unfunnycommenter_@reddit

Cars 3 is so boring tho, atleast Cars 2 has the "it's so bad it's good" quality
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spiffybritboi@reddit

The main ingredient is time with pay Jackson planning and pre-planning for years before cameras rolled for Fellowship Battle of the five kings movie had hundreds of actors wasting days filming B-roll because the script wasn't even finished
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Fat_Cat_Nuts@reddit

I mean, I liked Cars 2 as a kid, but I wouldn’t exactly call it a masterpiece. I will say I think it’s better than Cars 3.
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AHomicidalTelevision@reddit

the lotr trilogy is the highest awarded movie series in history. what they fuck are they talking about
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LLMprophet@reddit

Lotr has aged like milk
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Hugar34@reddit

What movie trilogy is better in your expert opinion?
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LLMprophet@reddit

I heard someone mention Cars lmao
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Neomataza@reddit

At least come up with something like Lethal Weapon or something jfc. Apply yourself more.
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Stephenrudolf@reddit

It's kind of depressing knowing trolls have regressed this far.
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Sh00pty_W00pty@reddit

0/10 ragebait try harder next time
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Le_Meme_Man12@reddit

Ngl, Back to the Future
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Bears_On_Stilts@reddit

The stock answer used to be “Three Colours.” But I think opinion has shifted on those versus LOTR.
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SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit

and turned into a finely aged cheddar
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LLMprophet@reddit

Moldy
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SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit

blue cheese? even better!
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RelatableChad@reddit

Bait used to be believable
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LLMprophet@reddit

Cope
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Krypt0night@reddit

I love when people say "cope" because they can't come up with an actual rebuttal themselves. You should start actually using your brain again instead of turning to LLMs for every thought and feeling you have. You're gonna be a zombie in a few years.
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Slowsis@reddit

Bait has stayed the same, you have become wiser.
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BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit

Engagement 
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Ender00000@reddit

to be fair cars 2 is more interesting and has better plot than many many superhero movies
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TheJags@reddit

LOTR has definitely been deified with age, but isn't that how it always was? It's kind of like saying the Beatles or David Bowie were just pop culture for normies.
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PrrrromotionGiven1@reddit

>the most popular band in history to that point was for normies Fucking duh?
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TheJags@reddit

...and then they were deified over time, thus proving my point.
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PrrrromotionGiven1@reddit

They were deified in their own time. They're certainly less popular now than they were at the time. I really don't see your point here.
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IlIIllIIIlllIlIlI@reddit

Every now and again, this place shows me someone so dumb it makes me feel better by comparison. Thank you for making my day just a little bit better  
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PrrrromotionGiven1@reddit

Still yet to hear anyone actually say what was wrong about my comment. I even showed great restraint in not bringing up the whole "bigger than Jesus" thing.
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ThisUsernameis21Char@reddit

The deification refers to the subject moving from pop culture for normies to high art. In their own time Beatles were the poppiest pop to ever pop, with lunchboxes and shit. No serious hipster/art connoisseur of the time ever sat down to listen to Beatles on their high end audio system, and then write an article on the sophisticated artistry of song #12398 that's an euphemism for sex. With time, this has changed.
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Almalexian@reddit

What Hipsters like isn't the defining criteria for art.
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ThisUsernameis21Char@reddit

Already addressed in the comment. You can substitute the word you don't like with a term for People Who Genuinely Care About High Art of your liking
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Almalexian@reddit

There is no such thing as high art. Its a term coined to differentiate and value based on made-up criteria.
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DrRagingEagle@reddit

There is no such thing as beauty. Its a term coined to differentiate and value based on made-up criteria. There is no such thing as intelligence. Its a term coined to differentiate and value based on made-up criteria. There is no such thing as morals. Its a term coined to differentiate and value based on made-up criteria. I hope you appreciate how mentally regarded you sound.
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Almalexian@reddit

You can disagree, but just applying my words to other terms isn't a compelling argument. High art lacks any reasonable criteria for why one should call it high. The adjective invokes emotions that this kind of art is better, more valuable (not financially) or more refined but there isn't any factual basis to that; Is it high because only a small fraction of humans is interested in? Thats niche, not high. Is it high because only those of a certain status have access to it? Thats exclusive, which isn't even a good thing. Is it high because it takes a a great deal of effort to create? Thats monumental, as the LotR films indeed are. Is it high because it takes a high skill to craft? That would be an appropriate qualifier, but its usually not the one that is used to differentiate high art from other art. Does it take a certain level of understanding to enjoy? That would be another valid qualifier and its coming close, but this is still not really whats about; a physics joke takes a good understanding of the underlying principles that are played on by the joke, but I don't think it counts as high art. So what constitutes high art? High art is an extremely subjective term applied by a certain personality type to art as a way to differentiate the art and, more importantly, the enjoyer of this art from others. In certain areas as classical music, some book genres and even some movie genres high art is propagated by these personality types and generally accepted by others as a sort of natural classism. It gives those enjoying the art a rush of interacting with something deemed valuable and intellectual, giving a feeling of belonging to some kind of elite. Whereas the other side can feel content with knowing that high art isn't for them but for some stuffy intellectuals. It pleases both sides emotionally, which is why the distinction is so popular. I could have told you these thoughts just by asking for them, by the way. No need for a weak attempt at an insult.
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bano2003@reddit

This is simply not true for late Beatles
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spacemanaut@reddit

You are incorrect and should listen to *[The White Album](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNdcFPjGsm8)*
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thinsoldier@reddit

It's only deified because it's a trilogy. Any individual movie is only about as good as Willow.
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Admiral52@reddit

No, mostly because what makes LOTR good is not just because you enjoyed it when you were young but because the film makers made monitor models of all the great cities and landscapes. Which, because they are detailed models of actual objects, makes them withstand the age of time which cgi cannot due to the inherent nature of the technology advancing
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Amopax@reddit

I don't agree quite with that first sentiment. The LOTR trilogy won 17 academy awards. They were considered masterpieces when they were released as well. The reason they are still considered great is because they have stood the test of time so well. The same is true with The Beatles and Zeppelin and Hendrix, etc. They were considered great then, and they are still held in high esteem, giving them more credence since they have been considered great for so long.
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Real-Ad-1728@reddit

LOTR were hailed as masterpieces even when they came out, it’s not like they won a ton of Oscars for nothing. When something starts out that great it tends to hold up better over time than many of its contemporaries.
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Mar3czek@reddit

Anon experienced a film turning into a classic during his lifetime instead of before and he doesn't know what to think lol
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waynekerrific@reddit

? They were
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outer_spec@reddit

i mean the other half of it is that nostalgia makes everything seem better
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CryOk9546@reddit

Cars 2 is a misunderstood masterpiece and if you disagree you don’t appreciate true cinema
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thinsoldier@reddit

It's a bad sequel to Cars, but it's a good movie. I like it more than the Despicable Me movies and the 2nd Minions movie.
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Admiral52@reddit

Cars 2 has a complex conspiracy at the heart of the plot
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ZombieByteGames@reddit

Oldies will agree with me that since the first time we saw LOTR in the theatre, most us we knew it was an absolute masterpiece for the ages. I bet that older people than me can tell you the same for the Godfather or
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Hearasongofuranus@reddit

I mean Shakespeare was considered a beyond shit, lowest of brows normieslop in his time. Things that even an illiterate peasant with his face covered in manure would find funny. His comedies were like Scary Movie is today.
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theyeshman@reddit

Shit smeared peasants like uh Queen Elizabeth I who regularly commissioned his company to perform in her court in his early career before Liz's death. Or perhaps in his later career when poo licking commoners like Queen Anne was a patron of his company.
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Hearasongofuranus@reddit

Oh I thought boy that's gonna be great that in a couple of hundred years people will be saying that Trump was a genius because he was the POTUS. The argument with Lizzy makes even less sense because she was born into it. 
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theyeshman@reddit

My point isn't that Elizabeth I was a genius, that's entirely beside the point. The point is that when he was alive Shakespeare wasn't considered low brow -- he was art for the highest of high society in England. Elizabeth I was a genius statesman btw, it was largely through her domestic policy that England developed into a superpower of the early-modern period, and she laid the groundwork for reunification of Great Brittan, though that's still entirely unrelated to whether Shakespeare was considered to be high art or not.
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Homunkulus@reddit

Thank you for mounting that defence so I didn’t have to.
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Hearasongofuranus@reddit

Well, not according to Black Adder where I get all my Great Britain history from. 
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Bears_On_Stilts@reddit

Shakespeare was actually very much like a Spielberg or Coppola: he made a mix of highbrow intellectual/art pieces (aimed at private court audiences, who kept him paid), and astonishingly good middlebrow/mainstream works (aimed at the London public). Shakespeare’s more elevated pieces don’t get much play, since they were less concerned with audience appeal than with elegant use of language and appealing to the highbrow literary trends. They’re often written in rhyming verse throughout and contain lengthy poetic interludes or philosophical debates, the sorts of things the royal court found amusing. Other than “Love’s Labours Lost,” you’re not likely to see his court works done much unless you’re looking for them. On the other hand, his middlebrow works were primarily the same genres we enjoy today: romantic comedy, fantasy adventures, revenge stories or political/war epics. This climaxed in his patron Queen Elizabeth requesting Shakespeare not write another highbrow piece, but maybe his lowest of the middlebrow: “The Merry Wives of Windsor,” where the funny sidekick from the Henry trilogy sets out to be a ladies’ man and fails terribly at it. (I believe it even includes one of the first uses of “cuck” as a verb for sexual humiliation, that’s the kind of show it is.)
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AkiraDash@reddit

Serious question: if Shakespeare was normie-tier, what was the high culture of his time?
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Hearasongofuranus@reddit

Mainly John Milton
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springbreak2222@reddit

Milton and Shakespeare were not contemporaries. Shakespeare died when Milton was 8 years old, not to mention that Milton's most acclaimed works were the ones from near the end of his life.
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BurnMeTonight@reddit

And how do you know that Milton didn't live to the ripe old age of 9 years old, therefore completing most of his work when he was 8?
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Real-Ad-1728@reddit

Thomas Middleton and John Fletcher are the two I can think of, though I’m not sure how they were viewed by the public, only that they were big around the same time as Shakespeare.
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HungerSTGF@reddit

Me when I spread misinformation The audiences that watched a Shakespeare theatre company production yeah had commoners and peasants covered in shit mostly but it had wealthy nobles and royalty too. If you were uneducated you could feel emotion from the actors speaking the words and if you were educated you’d also pick up the deeper meaning from the dialogue itself.
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NetStaIker@reddit

Wasn’t that kinda what made his stuff so legendary tho? It was both full of scat jokes for the commoners and peasants and high brow puns and allusions n shit for those of higher status like the king
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Hearasongofuranus@reddit

>It was both full of scat and sex jokes for the commoners and peasants while having high brow puns and allusions n shit that the educated would understand. Yeah, well, so is Shrek.
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Kiwi_Doodle@reddit

Let's be real, Shrek and Shrek 2 is the best two-fer in western animation.
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acart005@reddit

And Shrek isn't peak cinema?
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sample-name@reddit

That's why Shrek is high art
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NetStaIker@reddit

Yea where you think Shrek gets it from? Game recognizes game
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Finndogs@reddit

Thats absolutely false. His patrons were Earls, other nobility, and then the king himself. His plays contained both low brow humor (peepee poopoo jokes) and high brow humor (puns and references that only the nobility would have really understood). The fact that you used comedy and referenced Scary Movie, instead of farce, shows youre not to be taken seriously in this discussion.
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FormerPresidentBiden@reddit

Anon discovers nostalgia and its consequences
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0urlasthope@reddit

Am I the only one who hates lotr? Asoiaf is 100x better
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Vall3y@reddit

We are in a loop for the past 25 years. They keep remaking movies and games, no innovation in art fashion music. it's the same shit
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TrafficOnTheTwos@reddit

Cars 2 is a good movie fuck you anon.
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Fairchild110@reddit

I guess no one watched Dune or Dune 2?
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Teex22@reddit

How dare they, Cars 2 is a cinematic work of art
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TheGreatSaltboy@reddit

The Lord of the rings book received mixed reviews at first but appreciated over time so it's fitting I guess
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Sp00ked123@reddit

Most of the reason for that wasn’t for the quality of the writing, it was because LOTR was an anti-modernist work that was released in a time where modernism dominated literature. So much of the criticism was an ideological dispute.
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bartholomewjohnson@reddit (OP)

That was mostly because fantasy wasn't taken very seriously at the time
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SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit

It's quite heavy with mythology and there is a lot going on. Cognitive load is higher than usual in the first read. Took me several goes to fully appreciate it.
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CarlosimoDangerosimo@reddit

I was eating baked beans while watching Cars 2........
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Lpfanatic05@reddit

And games as well. https://preview.redd.it/1jh4v9p2jdpg1.jpeg?width=340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c27b56525ec913182794c751496590cafcba43ea
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The_Meemeli@reddit

Final Fantasy 16? Expedition 33? Baldur's Gate 3? Metaphor ReFantasio?
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noobgiraffe@reddit

> Final Fantasy 16 It's horrible slop wearing skinsuit of great series. - one playable character instead of whole team - mmo style quests "bring me 3 wood" - no reward for exploration, literally giving you 3 gil when everything costs thousands - gear is all just stright upgrades, not actual itemization - removes most basic features every FF game had, like elements mattering. you can damage fire enemy with fire - action game that has 1(one) combo. four squares and triangle, that is it It came out around the time GOW: rangarok did. That used to be mash square action game but in ragnarok you have different gear builds and more RPG elements and builds than FF XVI has. That is just crazy.
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The_Meemeli@reddit

But is it more in line with the top image or bottom image in the comparison meme?
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noobgiraffe@reddit

Bottom because it is shadow of what it used to be. Same as Dragon Age. I'm not talking about you in particular because I don't know you but recently I realized why so few people know this - the good FF games were released so long ago that most people discussing FF now on reddit weren't even alive when they came out. FFX came out in 2001. Let's say you have to be at least 10 to meangfully experience it. You would be 35 now. And that's the last good one it's even worse for previous ones.
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MetaCommando@reddit

>And that's the last good one it's even worse for previous ones. Besides XIV of course, prob the best one.
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noobgiraffe@reddit

Yeah but XIV being MMO I view it as different category. Honestly I never unerstood why they numbered the MMOs. Plenty of spinoff FF games with subtitle instead of the number.
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MetaCommando@reddit

Because making it numbered makes FF fans feel obligated to at least try it so they've played every one. Final Fantasy Online 2 wouldn't have nearly the draw. Remember a MMO is infinitely more difficult and expensive to launch and maintain compared to a mostly-singleplayer fighter or rhythm game.
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The_Meemeli@reddit

But is it "woke"?
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noobgiraffe@reddit

I never said it was, I just said it has a lot more in common with the new dragons age than classic rpgs the top image refers to.
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The_Meemeli@reddit

I know you never said, but judging by the other commenter's replies (mentioning Concord and some "masculine lesbian knight" game), they were saying that modern RPG games are bad because "woke".
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Lpfanatic05@reddit

You forgot Concord in the list as well.
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The_Meemeli@reddit

Concord isn't an RPG c:
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Lpfanatic05@reddit

I said "games".
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The_Meemeli@reddit

And you posted an image about RPGs. I focused on that part because listing all genres would take too long.
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Lpfanatic05@reddit

We can focus on this one if you want, one of the recent ones. https://preview.redd.it/6352tm3gwepg1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c05bcd2cd437a79c62f2f5a1918f6308bc6f0ed0
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Krypt0night@reddit

Literally never heard of that game in my life. I could easily go find 100 games that are "anti woke" that I've also never heard of and got even less than 427 players if you'd like.
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The_Meemeli@reddit

There have always been bad games, not just recently. Remember all the rushed movie tie-in games, like E.T. (E)xterminating A(t)ari, and Gears of Potter? And there have always been good games, as well. And always will be.
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acart005@reddit

Expedition was 'what if Final Fantasy but French'.  Metaphor is 'let's remix SMT but Fantasy this time'. Outstanding games, I'm 10 hours in on 33 and I really enjoy it, and I loved Metaphor.  But they do stand on giants.
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The_Meemeli@reddit

They certainly have their inspirations, I was mainly focused on listing modern RPGs that don't fit the bottom part of the image in the other person's comment
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Apprehensive-Toe4160@reddit

LOTR was always great. If you want example of slop being praised as something good you just need to look at Star Wars.
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mrbulldops428@reddit

> slopflation I hate whats happening to language
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endelehia@reddit

Slopflation is actually a nice term
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AmaterasuWolf21@reddit

Slopflation, slopconomy, slopciety ![gif](giphy|xIyhyzEiAkSqZK1lwI)
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CorbinNZ@reddit

I liked Cars 2 and IDGAF.
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pepewasraped@reddit

What are you even talking about? LOTR was a phenomenon back then, dominated the awards, dominated the box-office. It's still by far the highest gold standard when it comes to epic fantasy movies. If you have to revise history to make a point, then it's a weak point.
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Bootlegs@reddit

It was one of those phenomena where everyone just knew the next film was going to be just as jaw-dropping and amazing as the previous one. Kind of crazy to think back on. It really felt like we all knew this trilogy would be held as the pinnacle of fantasy cinema before it was even completed. Obviously, it was never a given. But it's like looking back at a band and you can't help but feel that Prince was destined to make Purple Rain exactly the way it turned out, like looking back at Michael Jackson's career with the feeling that Thriller was inevitable.
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pepewasraped@reddit

yeah there was a sense of inevitability that is pretty rare in general, not just in movies. You're right though, there was zero (or very little) cynicsm in regards to each release, and you just knew it was going to be an amazing ride.
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theyeshman@reddit

LotR was a rare moment where normie pop culture and high art converged, they were indeed Uber successful but film nerds were jorking their penitsis about the writing, cinematography, and practical effects. There's still good art being made all the time, it just doesn't often converge with pop culture, you can't go watch summer blockbuster 39 and expect anything but shlock. I'm way behind on movies from 2025 (though The Phoenician Scheme was excellent), but in 2024 we had so much great cinema -- The Substance, Anora, Conclave, The Brutalist, and Dune 2 were all amazing. Now that I'm thinking about it Conclave and Dune were pop culture successes too, though not to the same scale as LotR.
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PixelSpy@reddit

Anon should try watching more movies. Just because you only watch superhero slop doesn't mean other movies don't exist anymore. Plenty of indie studios still making kino, they just won't be on the front page of Netflix.
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The_Billy_Dee@reddit

Everyone bemoans and bitches about "the good ole' days"... The more changes, the more everything stays the same.
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SlashManEXE@reddit

LOTR is an exception that’s an accomplishment in filmmaking that broke into the mainstream. But this also opened the door to reevaluating any above average film as an overlooked masterpiece. Saying something from the past is good, only in relation to what’s coming out nowadays is slopflation.
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The_harbinger2020@reddit

Sure if the only movies you watch are on the first page of Disney+ movies now would be terrible
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Snownova@reddit

Why do those posters look AI generated?
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theGaido@reddit

The same with video games.
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GoodGuyScott@reddit

Cars 2 was utter dogshit compared to 1 and 3.
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athul_07@reddit

cars 2 > godfather trilogy
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TsunamiCatCakes@reddit

godfather insists upon itself
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Electrical-Help5512@reddit

They won oscars you fucking regard they've always been considered high art.
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Sbotkin@reddit

"Won oscars" is an understatement when it comes to LOTR
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IlIIllIIIlllIlIlI@reddit

This is how you know the OP is like 20 at most 
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cmanonurshirt@reddit

"When that first hit of brain function hits and you're still an idiot" moment
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Gilchester@reddit

Return of the king is tied with godfather 2 for having the highest clean sweep of Oscars for which it was nominated (11 iirc). It was considered a pretty amazing movie at the time. I'll admit though my appreciation of it and everything it did grows every time I see it
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Pepperonidogfart@reddit

Ive seen some pretty damn good new movies and shows but if you look into the past its not just constant hits. We have the benefit of filtering out what is good over time so selections made from the past are, of course, the best ones that generation has to offer.   I think the biggest problem with modern media is its too self aware, self referential and politically influenced. It completely takes you out of the world they are building by constantly reminding you of either previous movies or current politics. And i dont mean putting women in a show. i mean giving the characters modern sensibilities. For example as if some black dude riding up to a victorian estate wont immediately be called out. I mean those people were interested in phrenology and shit. Telling me the wont constantly be looking over their shoulder thinking hell steal the silverware?? Nah. The writins deliberatly put that character there to be a good example and encourage the youth to be tolerant unstead of telling a story. And that is bullshit. Not because its not honorable to want equality but because you are working with a studio and spending millions to send that message that will fall on deaf ears instead of donating to the ALCU or supporting programs that might actually help minorities in a direct way. Micheal Jackson, the most popular artist of all time, sang constantly about peace and loving each other and it aint taught anyone shit. Make your art, tell a good story but dont think your preaching is saving anyone and dont preach at the behest of your story.
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RaiderCat_12@reddit

This is actually a great explanation. Too bad no one here will read it because it’s elaborated and slightly longer than the average comment.
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Lord_Mick@reddit

I spilled baked beans all over myself watching Cars 2 in theaters & a black teenager shouted 'this nigga eating beans & everyone laughed
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correctingStupid@reddit

Slopflation?
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_Californian@reddit

The star wars prequels are a good example of this, everyone thought they were horrible until recently.
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William_Ze_Gamer@reddit

Cars 2 may not be actually good but it’s more entertaining to me than most of the other movies Pixar have put out since
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Muddykipperus@reddit

Cars 2 was entertaining but it was bad plot wise, so bad that cars 3 pretended it never happened.
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The_Meemeli@reddit

-Watches only CGI blockbuster slop "[all] mOviES aRE so AbYsMAL NoW"
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AbortionBulld0zer@reddit

Happened to most of media. Mediocre games from before seems actually decent now.
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NorthKoreanKnuckles@reddit

Car 3 was destroyed by the woke.
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Katastrofa2@reddit

Opera was also slop back then. This is why we have "the test of time".
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Narashori@reddit

Movies today aren't all better or worse than Cars 2, the people defending it just watched it as kids and are now grown up and have some nostalgic attachment to it. I speak from experience because I still regularly listen to Finn McMissile's theme.
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NothingNeo@reddit

Rage bait
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Far_Honey_7685@reddit

The original Cars was peak Cars 2 was peak Cars 3 was peak
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Falcon_w0t@reddit

Same with videogames. FNAF is praised today, but it is a mediocre stupid jumpscare factory with a mildly original concept. Metal Gear Rising too. The gameplay itself is mid as fuck compared to other action games of its kind, but the characters are so charismatic and so memeable, and the music is so good that you can forgive it. People have a hard time admitting that the games they were nostalgic for mayve were not that great. It's OK to enjoy them, but admit its flaws with honesty dammit.
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rokomotto@reddit

Or... some youtubers just have dogshit takes? A lot of these video essays are made by late teens and early 20s kids nowadays.
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AngusLynch09@reddit

Rewatched RotK recently. For films that are very famous and revered for their real sets, in-camera effects, and large number of extras instead of relying on CGI, there is a huge amounts of poorly aged CGI and soundstage work. 
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PooInTheStreet@reddit

![gif](giphy|IDGNYvFLkJKLK|downsized)
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SudhaTheHill@reddit

What did cars 2 ever do to bro
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randominsamity@reddit

He's your bro apparently, ask him.
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