Shart and Parcel
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Posted by AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 242 comments
Apocalypseistheansw@reddit
Redditors love the government reach. They live when the government reach their pockets.
More rules? More taxes? They love it.
Gackt@reddit
yep it's all commie cuck gay shit up in here
Saliiim@reddit
Good thing I’ve decided to never go back to London after my last visit. I had a Somalian threaten to cut my throat after pointing out to my wife that he had 6 stolen phones in his hand. This was at midday in Marble Arch.
I think Sadiq should sort that issue out before worrying about what cars people like driving.
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Yeah I’ll take things that never happened for $200 please.
Gackt@reddit
https://reolink.com/blog/city-with-most-stabbings-in-the-uk
ByteWhisperer@reddit
Is this the f*ck cars sub? SUVs are glorious and I love having one. The market disagrees with y'all since station cars are nearly extinct and the SUV reigns supreme. It is not up to you to decide what is necessary or not.
Gackt@reddit
Yeah these comments are all commie gay shit
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
If someone can explain to me why you need a sports utility vehicle to drive around a heavily urbanised capital city that makes up for all the dogshit issues SUVs cause, you get to keep your baby flattener.
Theaveragenerd2000@reddit
While rare, some people live outside of cities and occasionally need to drive in. I've had abuse thrown my way for having to drive my 4x4 (predates SUVs but gets lumped in with them) into the city to collect a trailer. Should I have towed 2t with my fiat panda instead?
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
If you legitimately need it and don't regularly drive it in the city, then the upcharge isn't going to meaningfully impact you in any way. This isn't a flat out ban on SUVs in London, it's describing measures to curb the regular use of them in a place where you don't need one.
Gackt@reddit
You wear dresses right?
el_doherz@reddit
Weight is an issue, size is an issue, emissions are an issue and IMO most importantly safety of other road users is a huge issue.
SUV's are significantly more lethal in crashes and impacts to all road users whether it's pedestrian, cyclist or other drivers.
No one in a city needs such a big ass car. If they need load capacity then buy a van. If they need passenger capacity/space buy an MPV or larger estate car.
If you insist upon being a danger and burden to all other road users then atleast pay up.
Gackt@reddit
you wear dresses right?
Name_Taken_Official@reddit
Road wear and tear is, if I remember correctly, based on weight per wheel to the fourth power. Huge heavy ass cars do way more damage than sensible cars
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
its actually an inconsequentially larger amount compared to commercial vehicles, basically a rounding error compared to a semi or bus
Name_Taken_Official@reddit
Good thing there's more semis and buses rolling around on the average road than SUVs then right
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
oh they charge semis and busses accordingly. there's a mileage tax, a fuel tax, a tire tax, tickets are about 15x what you pay for the same violation in a four wheeler, and tons of emissions rules to boot.
because of the exponential nature of weight damage on roads, it takes about 20,000 5,000 pound SUV's to out-road-damage a single semi truck that weighs 80,000 pounds.
there's plenty of reasons to hate suv's, but the whole "damage to roads" thing really doesn't pan out when you do the math.
The_Nude_Mocracy@reddit
Roads built for buses and lorries are built heavier duty.
Little local roads and cul-de-sacs that have never seen anything larger than a van are falling apart too, and it's not because of HGVs
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
unless the road was built when the romans still had their flags up, the difference in weight is still inconsequential. a 2000 pound car has a functionally identical footprint on road wear and tear to literally any road newer than probably 1900. asphalt and concrete was huge for road design.
The_Nude_Mocracy@reddit
So why are roads that have never seen a bus or wagon falling apart too? And no you don't need to mansplain what roads are made of. You can just say it's the heavier and more numerous cars
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
i'm not mansplaining, i am expertsplaining because it's part of my job to know the weight tolerances of roads. check your ego.
and i would be very suprised to find a road made of anything newer than cobblestone that is falling apart for any reason other than gross lack of maintenance. what other roads would never see any commercial or bus traffic? go ahead, i'm waiting for your expert opinion.
The_Nude_Mocracy@reddit
Thanks for "explaining" (mansplaining) that roads are made of asphalt and concrete then. Literally anyone who drives anything bigger than a normal car needs to know the weight tolerances of roads, you're not special.
For a self proclaimed road expert, how don't ypu know about the existence of dead end lanes and cul-de-sacs? Supermarket car parks? Width restricted residential areas? All falling apart. Lack of maintenance is a factor, so is the larger and more numerous cars.
It's always the ones crying hardest about it who are the most guilty
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
you mean where mail trucks, construction vehicles and school busses go?
gee i wonder how supermarkets get all their product delivered? spoiler alert, its trucks, and those trucks use the parking lot to turn around.
unless it's so restricted that it's a footpath, everything i said about cul de sacs applies here
not to mention that cul de sacs and tiny residentials aren't exactly known for having road surfaces that are falling apart, and the government doesn't maintain supermarket parking lots.
hilariously bad response, try harder if you're just gonna downvote everyone who disagrees with you
The_Nude_Mocracy@reddit
You obviously aren't familiar with British roads, you're talking shit about roads you've never seen or been on.
Give your head a wobble mate
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
oh whoops i didnt know the laws of physics and fundamental road construction were different in bongland you moron
teremaster@reddit
I hope you've accounted in your math for the fact that a semi has its weight spread out over up to a dozen wide wheels.
In my experience the practical surface pressure isn't very different at all
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
each tire (at least in my professional experience driving trucks for a living in the US) when fully inflated to 100 psi on the duallies and 110 on the steers, is about the weight of the average SUV (~5k pounds, or 2.5 tons) per tire, times 18 tires, with a much smaller contact patch than the average suv spreads out the same weight across four tires.
not to mention that the steers are usually holding double that, and that the proximity of all these tires following each other over and over each day between different trucks.
Melburnian@reddit
Roads are built for the heaviest vehicles allowed on them (large trucks). SUVs do well less than 1/2000 of the damage. Weight of SUV vs cars is entirely dwarfed by trucks.
Tomahawkist@reddit
so why don‘t we all drive semis? the roads are clearly built for it, so they will definetly last just as long no matter what’s driving on them
Melburnian@reddit
You are intentionally misinterpreting my comment. I said weight is not an issue, i didnt say there werent many other reasons.
teremaster@reddit
Weight is a huge issue in that heavier cars wear tyres faster. Modern tyres use synthetic rubber blends containing plastics. Wearing tyres throws microplastics into the air for people to breathe in
rstar345@reddit
Yeah I drive an SUV and if I need to go into to town and no where else I’ll get public transport
NotStrictlyConvex@reddit
Road wear and damage increases exponantially with vehicle weight
Saliiim@reddit
Makes the push for electric cars a bit awkward then.
NotStrictlyConvex@reddit
Not really lol. Its very obvious that we will have to get some alternative fuel. Since oil is not only car fuel but a fundamental resource in our society that is getting increasingly hard to extract already, we should conserve it in every way possible while trying to abstain from it. And thats not even factoring in airpollution. Im not qualified to tell you about the trade off of more road wear vs less individual vehicle polution. Still your talkingpoint is a cheap 2nd level gotcha for teenagers and boomers
Potato_DudeIsNice@reddit
Electric cars have always been a sham anyways. By the times you go carbon neutral (producing an EV is much, much more wasteful than a normal car) you would have to replace either the battery of the car as it has already degraded to unusable levels. EVs are nothing but the continuation of the status quo of car being king and public transport is thrown in the trash.
HumanContinuity@reddit
It does, but the lack of emissions in highly populated spaces, and the fact that fuel delivery trucks don't need to come through (same for the existence of petrol stations, etc).
Also, something I think we overlook a lot is brake dust emissions - which you can mitigate with hybrids or EVs.
It's closer to a wash than it seems when you take in the whole picture - and we're on the cusp of several better battery techs that we may see in EVs in 5 or 10 years.
Plus, one of those modest range versions is probably a better choice for London anyway.
Melburnian@reddit
Yes you are right, its to the 4th power which means a single garbage truck once a week does nearly 2000x the damage of a single SUV. Now add in delivery and trade vans dozens of times a day and you'll see European SUVs like this are completely irrelevant when it comes to road damage.
TheGoldblum@reddit
And do tell me, what essential service to the public are all these twats driving SUV’s providing, that specifically requires the SUV to provide?
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Garbage trucks and delivery vans provide an essential service to the people actually living in an area that children-flattening SUVs don’t.
Also, if we’re talking about a busy road, there could easily be 2000 SUVs passing over it a week, if not more.
AngusLynch09@reddit
No one needs and SUV in the city. Pay more if you want to.
Due-Confection9884@reddit
And if you have kids? Like idk more than 2?
ryanpn@reddit
How fat are your kids if you need an f150 just to haul them
F-Lambda@reddit
is a truck
teremaster@reddit
It's called a minivan
StikElLoco@reddit
Had a 1995 Skoda Felicia, 5 people plus luggage we were going roadtrips/holidays. Hell we even hauled an RV at times with it.
You don't need an SUV, it's pushed by manufacturers to get around laws. Hell most SUVs these days aren't for offroad either
Arik2103@reddit
The humble 2002 Volvo V70:
TheGoldblum@reddit
If only there was some kind of mini version of a van, designed to move people, with more boot space than an SUV….. 🤔
The_Knife_Pie@reddit
Well my parents had 4 kids to deal with before I moved out and we sure made do with a sedan. Not that hard bro
waze_westley_@reddit
A passat can easily fit 3 children
glowie_in_the_dark@reddit
99% of the times a wagon or a minivan would be more fit for the job than these SUVs
the other 1% would be for people who actually go off road.
el_doherz@reddit
SUV's aren't the only option.
People have nothing against needing more seats/load capacity.
The issue is that SUVs are too large for the actual utility they provide and a literally more dangerous to every single other road user purely for aesthetics and misguided ideas about size.
Hopesick_2231@reddit
More than two kids?? What are you, Mormon?
AngusLynch09@reddit
Given that birth control exists, if you make the choice to have that many kids, then you make the choice to spend more money on a higher taxed vehicle.
SUVs aren't the only option.
Relevant-stuff@reddit
It’s not the government’s job to tell me what I need and don’t need.
ExtraPomelo759@reddit
Gotta love how you're acting all rebellious, but probs swallow corporate propaganda like a baby bird.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
it's their job to repair the road wear you cause in your big stupid car
Limmmao@reddit
You're right. It's the size of the road and availability of parking.
The_Knife_Pie@reddit
Then keep buying huge cars, and keep paying inflated tax rates. They’re not banning the car they’re just meaning you pay for the wear you cause.
AngusLynch09@reddit
You're right, it's Ford and Chevrolets job to tell you what you need.
Relevant-stuff@reddit
I would never purchase from either of them but sure
AngusLynch09@reddit
Sorry I didn't realise I was meant to list every single car manufacturer for you to understand.
AtomicMonkeyTheFirst@reddit
There's no reason to own a range rover in a highly urbanised city like London other than to demonstrate what a twat you are.
Saliiim@reddit
Wanting one is enough reason. They’re nice and people like nice things.
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Peak American entitlement. Who cares that they’re more dangerous for every other kind of road user, less fuel efficient, more damaging to the roads and take up more space in an already crowded city, I want one!
forgotmypasswordsad@reddit
I bought a vehicle that fits my use case, cry me a river.
Saliiim@reddit
Peak English mentality, I don’t like them so no one else should be allowed them. I’m sick of this country’s crabs in bucket attitude to everything.
Familiar-Gap-7894@reddit
The UK is so interesting to me. It has some of the funniest comedians, most talented musicians, and some of the best actors in Europe, not to mention countless top level universities and writers. Then there’s idiots like you that balance the country out.
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
No dipshit, they kill more people, waste more fuel, damage the roads and take up more space in a city that’s already crowded to hell.
Saliiim@reddit
👍
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
regard
RotarySam27@reddit
Shut up, a Redditor has spoken. They don’t like it, so you aren’t getting it.
Potato_DudeIsNice@reddit
With your logic serial killers should keep killing people cuz they like it but other people dont.
teremaster@reddit
Then you should be fine with paying extra to have one
AtomicMonkeyTheFirst@reddit
That line doesnt work well in court.
Thitn@reddit
No ones going to court for driving a large SUV tho?
ZX52@reddit
Fuck SUVs. They're unnecessarily big (but don't actually provide that much more space), are way less fuel efficient, and way more dangerous for everybody. They obscure the view of the driver - one charity managed to sit 11 kids in a row, single-file, in front of one these monstrosities with none being visible from the driver's seat. The rise in SUV popularity has coincided with a rise in incidents of kids being run over by their own parents on their driveways.
The higher body means that when pedestrians or cyclists are hit, they're more likely to end up under the vehicle, which is way more lethal, than on top of it like with regular cars with lower bumpers. The lack of crumple zones means that they lack crash compatibility with other vehicles, making them more dangerous for people in other vehicles in a crash, but also means a lot more of the impact forces are transferred directly onto the people inside the SUV, which is way more dangerous to them. People seem to think a more rigid structure is safer, but crumple zones soften impacts - note that punching pillows hurts less than punching walls, because pillows crumple which absorbs impact forces. Walls don't
Also, SUV drivers are just the worst kind of people. There was an experiment done where this guy placed fake animals on the road and recorded drivers' reactions. SUV drivers were by far the most likely to swerve to hit the animal.
Fuck these vehicles. They were created so car companies could end-around emissions rules (they're classed as "light trucks" instead of cars), and have had an entirely negative impact on our lives and societies. They have zero redeeming qualities.
forgotmypasswordsad@reddit
The visibility and lack of space relative to their size is because of safety regulations, not body type. The government has decided it's more important for you to survive the unlikely triple rollover than to see pedestrians.
sgtfuzzle17@reddit
Hey, as long as you’re not bothered about it
boofmaster6000@reddit
They're unnecessary, extremely large, and unwieldy. That's about it. If you have a large family, buy a minivan or a wagon. If you have a small family, buy a sedan or a wagon.
There's no reason to buy an SUV unless you're specifically planning around other dumbasses being in SUVs.
rhen_var@reddit
How about you don’t pick and choose what other people choose to drive based on your own opinions on what kind of person should drive what? And this is coming from someone who loves sedans and will never willingly drive anything else.
el_doherz@reddit
It's wild when they could design significantly smaller vehicles that have way more passenger space and load capacity than these huge boat like monstrosities too.
So many new models are just massive but are tiny and useless inside.
ryanpn@reddit
In America, this is due to a CAFE standard loophole. They have to make these giant "work trucks" because they don't have the same fuel economy standards and now that's just what people want
el_doherz@reddit
It's partially that.
But the poor designs, extremely poor usage of internal space, unsafe for other road users construction etc could all be avoided.
But as per it's a race to the bottom for the sake of profit.
God forbid governments actually legislate to the benefit of the people not corporations.
auggs@reddit
A tangent but hear this out. If aliens were real and had the technology to actually visit earth, remain hidden, and come and go as they please, think about how incredibly advanced they would have to be to do that. In my imagination, I see technologically advanced aliens looking at us as violent, selfish, greedy primitive monkeys, that just so happen to have a few thousand nuclear warheads in their hands. It’s like seeing a rattlesnake or a cassowary in the wild. You do your best to stay the fuck away from it lmao.
My point is, IF aliens were real and had the ability to regularly visit our planet and remain relatively hidden, I feel they’d need a society built on values that humans haven’t quite reached yet. We’re still playing king of the hill to see who will control all of earths resources. It’s so shortsighted in my mind. They say the sun will die in 5 billion years so that’s our maximum time limit to get off of earth, find new habitable planets, build ships/crafts capable of the journey and be able to land in a new environment and successfully settle the land. We’ve had telescopes pointed at the sky for a little over 60 years now and have found just 30-60 planets that could potentially support life within our human parameters. The more focused our planets leaders are on making more money (to keep stashed in various bank accounts, mind you), the less chance at success we have at getting off of this planet. We should be focusing on how to get along and work with each other, rather than LARPing some Game of Thrones bullshit to see who controls this rock. Idk I didn’t really think about this before I started typing but I hope I get my point across.
UnevenContainer@reddit
reddit moment
moragdong@reddit
You see them as the clichéd version just like in the movies that has higher moral and ethical values than us for no reason?
Passance@reddit
Various movies have portrayed alien races with low/barbaric/no morals, and with similar politics and squabbles to human society, and with high moral standards.
el_doherz@reddit
Lol what a tangent.
But there is truth to your point.
Humanties progress under capitalism has been ridiculous, but now we're pas the point where progress is actively killed because the returns aren't as big as milking humanity dry.
fuzzerino@reddit
Kei cars would go hard in London, especially given how narrow the roads are.
Magnus_Helgisson@reddit
I was interested in switching to one of the new Hyundai or Kia small SUV until I found out they are bigger than my Skoda Fabia wagon while having less space inside.
boofmaster6000@reddit
Modern pickups are the biggest offender when it comes to that. They're trying to be both SUVs and traditional pickups, and they come out as this horrid amalgamation that does neither properly. God I fucking hate modern pickup trucks.
TurretLimitHenry@reddit
In general owning a car or a home is unnecessary. The basic essentials are all that we need.
pcbmn@reddit
They’re only unwieldy if you don’t know how to drive.
tannedface-@reddit
Can you tow a boat, camper trailer, or another car with a minivan? I certainly wouldn’t. I frequently use my SUV to do all those things. Are SUVs larger than they should be? Yes. Do they have their own uses? Absolutely. I don’t need a dedicated pickup truck, because I don’t need a bed, but I do have use for a truck based SUV.
boofmaster6000@reddit
Then you're an outlier, and you should have an SUV. But Mary Sue, who drives her 3 kids to soccer practice, does not need an SUV. And, frankly, most SUV owners are Mary Sue's, considering that there are only around 15 million recreational boats in the US.
Anyway, my main gripe is that you shouldn't need your SUV unless it's explicitly to tow your boat. You should be able to hop on the train, get to where you need to go, and not need a car at all.
Signal_Brain9959@reddit
Why are you people so obsessed with regulating others? Your probably too poor to own most of these vehicles anyways 🤣
5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi@reddit
Because regulations can be written in blood and these cars do not exist in a vacuum. I get it, Americans are so high on "personal freedom" that what happens to others doesn't matter to them but these cars are proven to be much more hazardous to pedestrians and other drivers on the road.
Signal_Brain9959@reddit
How are they proven to be more hazardous? Ohh no how dare I want to be able to have my own personal freedom to choose what I spend my money on. You’re a self righteous prick. AI will take care of most of you woke cucks though. You won’t have jobs, money, or a purpose (those most of you don’t already to be fair). I will enjoy watching your downfall.
5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi@reddit
Their massive size means that collisions with smaller vehicles is far more dangerous than if two equivalent vehicles collided. Some of them don't even have crumple zones. Look up crash incompatibility if you care to learn more.
Their ridiculously high fronts means many more pedestrians hit by them will go under the car instead of over it. Vehicles with a hood height of over 40 inches increases pedestrian fatalities by 45%. That is the category many SUVs fall under.
Not to mention that they're sold as light trucks to take advantage of the looser emissions standards and so are polluting the environment and giving off hazardous gases.
But then, someone who unironically calls people "woke cucks" over facts about their car probably doesn't care about any of that.
Signal_Brain9959@reddit
You’re right. I don’t care 🤣
5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi@reddit
Cared enough to reply back twice. Rookie mistake.
boofmaster6000@reddit
You're*
tannedface-@reddit
I can agree with the first half. However, I prefer to drive my automobile. I do enjoy walking places, but I’m not big on public transport. Just not my thing.
AngusLynch09@reddit
You're not big on London's public transport? But driving around London can be an absolute nightmare, how do you manage?
ryanpn@reddit
They're probably American and don't actually have any public transit they can use (so am I)
el_doherz@reddit
They're very likely yank and if they aren't they are an extremely yank brained car nut based on 90+% of their recent comments being on subs for stereotypical yank muscle cars.
Pointless engaging with them because they're just too alien to understand not being completely car cucked.
tannedface-@reddit
Yep. American here. Grew up using public transport. Grew up in the terrible city of Houston, Texas. Where driving can be & usually is a nightmare. That being said I still would rather walk or drive over public transport. Simply a preference. No experience with bong land cityscapes.
SquirmyBurrito@reddit
Boats aren’t the only thing people can and do tow with their SUVs. I see a ton of people towing trailers since they don’t have a pick up bed. Your assumption that most don’t need an SUV is true, but those who do aren’t an outlier, they’re just not the majority
PrideOfMacragge@reddit
People do not tow trailers in central London
Erlend05@reddit
Cars can tow way more than youd think
The_Knife_Pie@reddit
I live in Sweden, people here love their boats. We still don’t buy monster trucks to tow them, cause you don’t need them.
tannedface-@reddit
My SUV is definitely larger than it should be, but that being said, it’s not a lifted 1 ton truck either. Then again, who cares about what one “needs” when it comes to a vehicle? Get what you want or like.
AngusLynch09@reddit
How many boats, camper trailers, or other cars are being towed in the city? This is about a congestion charge in the city.
tannedface-@reddit
Boats & campers? Probably not as many. Cars? Are more likely when you buy & sell like I do. I pick up and drop off where needed, including cities & suburbs. It’s a pain in the ass, but thats how it goes.
throwaway6444377_@reddit
buy a Crown Victoria
fresh_avocado_@reddit
Your tremendously impressive range of things you're towing damages the road faster than a normal car, higher tax seems rational
Duke0fWellington@reddit
How many boats, camper trails and cars do you think London residents are towing?
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
Here in YROP, we cant afford any of those things.
Saliiim@reddit
What has height got to do with the amount of space something takes up on the road?
Waffleworshipper@reddit
Doesn't really have that much to do with the space it takes up on the road, but it does still matter because taller vehicles make crashes more deadly.
AnusStapler@reddit
I had to pick an electric car and I have 3 kids. Good luck finding a wagon. I want a wagon EV, but there aren't any.
Erlend05@reddit
Vw id7
cheburaska@reddit
Porsche Taycan Turismo
AnusStapler@reddit
I wish! I do really like the looks of the Taycan Turismo.
Axe-actly@reddit
You have the Peugeot e308sw or Volkswagen ID7 and about 10 other choices.
AnusStapler@reddit
We can't lease any Stellantis product ever again at my company and the rest is out of budget. ID7 isn't a wagon, it's just as high as my Skoda Elroq lol. Humor me with the 10 other choices and I'll tell you why it wasn't a possibility.
chillanous@reddit
Pickups are a utilitarian option in my part of the country. No lack of space so who cares about that. I am a single dad so I need the functionality of a full size sedan but also have a 5 acre property and do plenty of DIY work so I need cargo capacity. I also live on a gravel road/driveway with steep sections so 4WD is basically mandatory when conditions are poor.
My truck does all of those things better on average than any other vehicle. A sedan would be more efficient for hauling the kids around but I’d lose 4WD and cargo capacity. A minivan is better on the cargo capacity than a sedan but even worse in bad road conditions, plus I only have 2 kids so I don’t need 3rd row seating. A compact pickup doesn’t handle bulky car seats well. An SUV doesn’t have the cargo capacity I need.
My full size pickup is the only vehicle configuration that does everything I need it to. And people that live in dense cities or alone in apartments complain that they’re impractical. They are, for some. For others, they make sense.
IcyDrops@reddit
Would something like a Peugeot 508 RxH, Audi A6 Allroad, Volvo V60/90 Cross Country make sense to you? It's a wagon with all the benefits of a wagon, but raised suspension and AWD made for rough roads.
chillanous@reddit
Yes, I could probably get by with one of those. Hauling a load of fallen branches or a few yards of dirt would be out of the question though, so I’d probably need a kei truck or similar for choring.
PorblemOccifer@reddit
Pickups are great for what they were designed to be and how they’re regulated: non-passenger work vehicles.
Modern consumer pickups like Ford Raptors have smaller and smaller bed space year on year. Aussies who actually need loading space use Toyota Hiluxes, for example. These lifted pickups are a pain to get shit into and out of
chillanous@reddit
I do miss my 05 Silverado with a crew cab and low 8 foot bed. It was the ideal work truck.
But honestly a modern pickup with a short bed and soccer mom cab fits the “single dad who needs to haul furniture and lumber” bill even better. Because I have all the needs of a soccer mom AND the same truck needs I had back then.
boofmaster6000@reddit
You're an outlier, and thus, your experiences are not relevant to the discussion at hand (large vehicles in urban environments).
Why do you even feel the need to comment, knowing you are not who I'm criticizing? Nobody is so stupid that they cannot recognize some people need pickups and SUVs.
Pineapple_Spenstar@reddit
Yeah fuck him if he ever needs to go into the city for something
VengineerGER@reddit
I mean you did kind of make a generalist statement about nobody needing to buy and SUV or a pick up and didn’t specify that you were only talking about cities.
boofmaster6000@reddit
On a post about large vehicles in cities? I felt I didn't need to clarify.
Nameis-RobertPaulson@reddit
Your part of the country isn't central London I take it?
taz5963@reddit
Okay but the guy he's responding to is saying fuck pickups as a blanket statement as if they serve no purpose whatsoever.
Nameis-RobertPaulson@reddit
Which is honestly a valid opinion in 99% of England, and most of the UK.
Almost everything a pickup can do work wise, a van can do better, there's perhaps some niche times you'll need the open top or 4wd, but generally in those cases you just get a HGV/flatbed to haul it.
There's a small need for a vehicle that seats 4(+) and that can do commercial stuff, but then crew-cab van platform pickups exist, or just taking two vehicles is a thing.
All that said, very few people need 2800kg BMW or Ranger Rover SUVs for the school run around a 20mph urban area, and if they live in urban London they can afford higher taxes to offset their unnecessary 'luxury' vehicles.
DadBodftw@reddit
Or, drive whatever the fuck you want
Nameis-RobertPaulson@reddit
Yes, and massively destroy the roads because your overweight piece of shit causes exponentially more damage.
Then complain about potholes and taxes.
taz5963@reddit
Roads are designed for semi trucks and buses to drive on them. Yes an SUV damages the road more than a sedan, but the roads can typically handle it.
5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi@reddit
Not really, studies show the vast majority of road damage is caused only by the heaviest vehicles.
But regardless, buses and trucks are less common than SUVs and have an actual purpose.
NetStaIker@reddit
Pickups actually have a use tho lol (that most people don’t take advantage of) but SUVS are just trash
williamthebonkerer@reddit
You are missing a point here That even in the city people want pickups as theyre tradesmen (electricians for example) but dont need a full van and want a vehicle they can carry others in as well as their tools and materials. Theres also towing which is absolutely huge for 4th pickups, they have insane towing capacity (some can pull loads of the full legal limit of 3.5 tons). While I agree that they arent ideal in london, and they are far too large a design for their purpose, they still have uses.
Tomahawkist@reddit
pickups do have their uses. they are most of the time not being used for any of them. or don‘t have the size that’s necessary instead of being bloated to all hell
Haggis442312@reddit
They’re also a lot heavier than normal cars, and that leads to massively increased road wear.
VengineerGER@reddit
What’s wrong with pickups? They are genuinely useful if you’re actually planning to haul stuff with them on a regular basis. But I suppose I live in the countryside not the city. Why you‘d buy a pick up in a city is kind of beyond me. If you don’t plan on actually hauling anything with them then you’ve bought one for nothing.
Free-Entertainer255@reddit
They buy it because cool men have pickups and they must compensate their lack of manlihood with pickups
Tack22@reddit
Unless you enjoy camping.
ExtraPomelo759@reddit
Heavier cars wear out roads quicker.
Generally, SUVs are woefully inefficient cars, which are itself woefully ineffecient modes of transport.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
I'm not sure about you but the most popular SUV in the UK is the Jaecoo 7. Its got a 1.5l engine.
DasToyfel@reddit
If you want to occupy double the space in the streets you gotta pay double.
DuckSmash@reddit
A fat tax is in order then too.
Not only do they take up more space, but they usually walk a lot slower increasing congestion even more
BrideofClippy@reddit
Do you really wanna give fat people a reason to walk less?
DuckSmash@reddit
Don't be ridiculous. You'd have to pay the tax regardless of how much you go out walking.
I'm sure the SUV tax isn't based on how much you do or don't drive. It would be way too much work to track every single SUV and how much it drives. Just like it would be too difficult to monitor how much every fat person is outside congesting up public spaces.
random_moth_fker@reddit
Walk more -> less fat -> less tax.
Its an incentive.
The_Power_of_Ammonia@reddit
100% on board.
Government mandated (and paid-for) health and fitness exams, with proportional tax increases/discounts based on your draw on public health resources.
ciubacapra@reddit
Based.
Reading_username@reddit
PrideOfMacragge@reddit
They’re wider and taller too dipshit
Reddit_is_Fake_1@reddit
the space above the car is already considered occupied, how tall is the car is inconsequential.
wider yet it still occupies the same single lane, so the car is being wider is also inconsequential.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
This guy has never heard of parking spots
ViralAphinity@reddit
Crash compatibility between SUVs/Light Trucks and anything else is basically zero percent because of their height. Which is rather important for minimizing deaths in motor vehicle accidents.
Reddit_is_Fake_1@reddit
I agree with you regarding safety, but check the replies above, we are talking about space occupied.
TesticleOfTruth@reddit
Ya, and? This guy is now bringing up the actual important part of the issue, which is that trucks/SUVs are significantly more dangerous to the public
Reddit_is_Fake_1@reddit
I agree it's important, but this is not how conversations work, we were talking about SUV occupying double the space and someone calling another dipshit over it...
ResponsibleStep8725@reddit
Where can I find the rule book for conversations again? Seems I forgot you can't side track in a conversation.
Reddit_is_Fake_1@reddit
You learn it naturally by going outside smartass.
ResponsibleStep8725@reddit
Stop side tracking, where's the rule book?
dude_dude_dude@reddit
What scene of the movie Snatch is this?
natalo77@reddit
Did you miss the "because of the height" bit???
natalo77@reddit
They're calling them a dipshit because they're making out like the length of the car is the only thing that matters...
PrideOfMacragge@reddit
On that note, pedestrians too.
On a shorter/lower car collision, a pedestrian will roll up onto the bonnet and into the windscreen, which is very survivable, even at moderate speeds.
The bonnet height of a SUV or pickup instead makes you go under the car, which is very much NOT survivable even at quite low speeds.
verg51@reddit
SUVs stick out the parking spots on the side of the road more than some trucks do, that’s not even the driver’s fault, they’re just that big
PrideOfMacragge@reddit
Massive difference on thin city streets between occupying the lane but leaving room for bikes/maneuvering as normal cars do and consuming the entire lane like an SUV.
The height is one of the things that contributes to SUV’s being holistically more dangerous than any other type of car, again especially in tight city streets, you can’t see past them.
Both those things also contribute to them being heavier, and so contributing way more to wear and tear than any other type of car, which other people pay road taxes to.
AngusLynch09@reddit
Now do the maths on the weight.
dude_dude_dude@reddit
You guys are really riffing on some Snatch dialogue
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
They do. Unless its a hybrid or electric.
secondcondary@reddit
Double it again.
Total SUV death
PurpleLegoBrick@reddit
Sounds like a European infrastructure issue to me.
Jimmie-Rustle12345@reddit
Much better to have noisy, unwalkable neighbourhoods and massive fatalities, amirite?
PurpleLegoBrick@reddit
If Europe wants to keep spending their money on maintaining old infrastructure to preserve their history and culture that’s fine with me, you just can’t expect everyone to adapt to that and respect it forever.
As time goes on though it’s going to further hinder expansion and cause more issues such as we have now with people buying bigger cars.
It wasn’t an insult, I was just pointing out the issue. European cities were built way before a lot of American cities so naturally we have things like wider roads and haven’t ran into these issues.
Jimmie-Rustle12345@reddit
looooooooooooool
Lovelace_guy@reddit
It's an issue in places people walk, so maybe it actually is a European issue haha. SUVs are so much more dangerous to pedestrians compared to smaller cars.
baddieslovebadideas@reddit
England is so cucked
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
Very true
SweetTooth275@reddit
I'm a conservative and I am of the same views. They're garbage, takes up space and wastes more resources than needed. Same goes for cuvs/crossovers. Passat (although being utter disposable garbage) is lighter so it wastes less resources.
HumanContinuity@reddit
I mean, VW did more environmental damage with their emissions scandal than we have penalized them for. Your point remains, but I'd pick just about any other brand before forgiving and forgetting such a blatant, and still recent, stunt.
SweetTooth275@reddit
Oh,I agree and absolutely encourage people to do exactly that. Vag should not be as popular as it is, it is indeed a crime of many flavours.
teremaster@reddit
Remember why SUVs are so popular for companies to make
Automakers and auto insurers have internal data that pretty much profiles an SUV driver as basically a giant coward.
Car makers know the average person who buys an SUV is lacking confidence in their driving ability of just a very low driving ability. They also know these people are easier to scam off with promises of "safety" or ease.
IE if you have an SUV, the guy who sold it to you thinks you're an easy mark and/or a wimp
Taco-Edge@reddit
I hate, and I mean, hate how every new car nowadays is a stupid hybrid SUV. They all look the same, they're all way too big for comfortable driving in a town and most of all, even cars that used to be something else are now evolving into the same SUVslop. It's a plague upon car enjoyers like myself, that's for sure
outland_king@reddit
What? You dont want a 4 passenger vehicle thats the size of an extended van?
SUVs have the worst space economy
vjmdhzgr@reddit
I know in America the issue is they're regulated way more loosely because they're "work vehicles". It really fills me with pride walking through my suburb seeing how everybody is such a hard worker. The only vehicles they own are "work vehicles" they're so dedicated.
I don't know what's going on with the UK though. They probably import american cars but they likely don't have extreme tariffs and import bans on any foreign cars that are actually good so they could just get like, german or japanese cars or something.
Blyatman95@reddit
We have a range of cars from all around. Big American style SUVs were always seen as a bit of a joke to buy. Our roads are smaller, our towns and cities are medieval roads and everything’s closer together. Most common cars you would see are Japanese 5-door hatchbacks. If you have a decent job you’ll likely have a German saloon. Vans are Ford transits and actual trucks for farmers are usually Japanese Mitsubishi Shogan’s or L200s. I knew a guy who bought a F150 and the thing was just laughably impractical for the U.K.
Range rovers, like above, are jokingly called Chelsea tractors. Marketed as big off road vehicles but very popular with people who live in central London, haven’t seen a blade of grass in 15 years and have never got above 10mph. Generally though there’s been a bit of a shift. People buying larger and larger cars. Nissan Jukes and Qashqai’s are really popular. VW passats and the like. Same problems exist though. Too big for our roads and yummy mummy’s drive a tiny Japanese micro car for a few years then hubby buys them a tank and they can’t park the thing.
prussian_princess@reddit
There are a ton around where I live. They used to be some sort of tax dodge instead of buying a van for blue collar workers. But apparently, that isn't the case anymore. They're still everywhere, though.
I wish there were fewer massive SUVs and 4x4s. Our roads are tiny, we have cars parked on both sides as well. The average American would bulldoze through half the cars as our average dual way road is a single lane for them.
Blyatman95@reddit
My old boss used to have one. The loophole was that it was classified as a commercial vehicle, similar to a transit for Berlingo, so you could claim the tax back against your business. The stupid loophole was that you never had to say what you did. So you had a bunch to accountants and estate agents driving around in white pick up trucks for “work”. The loophole closed when you had to justify why you needed one.
prussian_princess@reddit
Okay, so that's why there's still a bunch around. It's driven by builders and such.
Taco-Edge@reddit
Even German or Japanese cars are mostly SUV nowadays. Man even fucking Lamborghini now sells them
Capnmarvel76@reddit
Sad as hell that many auto manufacturers don’t even offer any ‘cars’ - sedans, wagons, or coupes - anymore. Ford being one (except for the Mustang, I suppose). I don’t want anything tall, unwieldy, and heavy, I want short, lithe, and efficient.
outland_king@reddit
SUVs are the Karen's of the automotive world.
Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit
Unironically tax the fuck out of these luxury SUVs.
They're just big for the flexing, only like 2% of these upper middle class londeners is ever putting anything bigger than their chihuahua in their car anyways.
We're wasting space and causing traffic cause these half sentient heaps of greed just want to drive the bigger car. Usually they don't even know how to handle cars like that, start paying attention to the damage on those luxury SUVs and you'll see that they've usually had some form of fender bender somewhere.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
U jelly?
Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit
Not at all lmao. I work on those things every day and meet these drivers a lot
UpstairsStrength9@reddit
“Tax us harder daddy”
PixelSpy@reddit
Anon is offended that he must pay extra to compensate for his tiny baby weiner now
NNiekk@reddit
I find it rather funny that all the SUV supporters don’t know the real reason SUVs were made in the first place. Because corpos wanted to spend less money, as usual. The tax benefit of making cars on truck frames
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
Who controls taxes though?
NNiekk@reddit
What kind of gotcha question is that? Even if it’s the government making taxes, doesn’t mean corporations need to skirt around and find loopholes to still be able to make even more money than they otherwise would already make.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
What exactly is wrong with that? They're just meeting demand.
pinkMist25@reddit
The irony of Toyota Prius being the most commonly identified car involved in road traffic accidents in London when there’s so many critical dissertations of SUVs safety aspects on this thread.
Never change reddit chuds, never change.
slumplus@reddit
What an insane Reddit moment in this comment section. I hate huge lifted trucks as much as the rest of you but holy cow go back to circlejerking in r slash fuckcars
UpstairsStrength9@reddit
I thought I was safe in the 4chan subs, but Reddits hate for cars knows no bounds lol.
thotpatrolactual@reddit
You hate SUVs because you circlejerk in fuckcars.
I hate SUVs because I circlejerk in carscirclejerk and want any vehicle that isn't a Miata, a Twingo, or a brown manual diesel station wagon to be outlawed.
We are not the same.
slumplus@reddit
I need a twingo so bad
thotpatrolactual@reddit
Good news fren the new electric Twingo is coming out this year
Real-Ad-1728@reddit
The issue here likely isn’t emissions concerns so much as it is the sheer size of the vehicles compared to the streets of London. London was not designed with the idea of having lots of vehicles of this size everywhere, many streets and parking spots within the city are just too narrow to comfortably accommodate larger cars.
Sad-Guarantee-4678@reddit
If you're some insecure baby dick gangster larper that can afford an SUV, then surely you will welcome an excuse to flex how you can afford extra charge for it
number1pingufan@reddit
Live in the country and enjoy your large cars. Take up two spots in urban areas and pay double. What is the issue?
Trickydicky232@reddit
My VW Passat gets 65MPG and higher if I drive conservatively, what does that SUV get?
Dariosusu@reddit
It‘s the tax for cars that make normal people cringe. I get it and it should be higher
BearlyWizard@reddit
European cities aren't designed for these giant kid-killing parking spot hogs
pinkwar@reddit
SUV is a loose term. It fits anything. For me a range over is not a SUV.
It sucks how brands appropriated and changed the meaning of it just to get more money.
OberstGankbar@reddit
SUVs are fucking gay
PorblemOccifer@reddit
SUVs are emotional support vehicles. Allegedly large and manly and capable for off road, no automaker in the world expects them to go further off road than a gravel driveway.
They have massive blind spots and regularly run over playing toddlers. Their size has created an arms race on roads: in a crash between a sedan and an SUV, the sedan driver gets crushed as the SUV drives up the sedan like a ramp. The SUVs are also so big they hamper visibility for other drivers. As a result, everybody is just buying bigger and bigger SUVs. All because us manufacturers wanted to get around a petrol tax.
Lpfanatic05@reddit
Cause they hate everything.
Springstof@reddit
Because you need to draw a line based on something. Body style is a possible metric. Weight, total length and/or height could also be metrics.
Arstanishe@reddit
i feel as if my golf is too big sometimes. Parking, curbs, etc. Cars keep getting bigger and bigger every generation for marketing reasons.
And if someone drives a fucking range rover, they'd better pay for doing that
NuclearCleanUp1@reddit
It's about the height of the bonnet. If you hit a pedestrian or cyclist, they go under the car. The passat will be lower so the victim will go over the bonnet and live
angus22proe@reddit
Because theyre fucking stupid
Sir_Bebe_Michelin@reddit
As if those weren't today's regarded vehicle trend
Defiant_Lavishness69@reddit
Nobody who doesn't get paid when they get sold likes them. Nobody needs those child flatteners, and anyone who would, would be better off with something else.
Brokedownbad@reddit
I dunno about the UK, but in the US SUVs are pretty much only a thing to get around emissions laws, since an SUV counts as a light truck it has relaxed emissions standards. (This is also why manufacturers seem obsessed with them, it counts towards their carbon credits)
For pretty much everything a normal person does, a van or minivan are more practical and have more usable space than an SUV or a pickup.
BlackSnake1994@reddit
Would anyone PLEASE think of the small wiener gang?
What would they do without a big car to compensate?
romulusnr@reddit
Other than they are overpriced overweight gas guzzling deathtrap pieces of shit that do more wear and tear on the roads?
Nothing, why do you ask
Alex_Sobol@reddit
you vill drive tiny keicar and you vill be happy.
wackOverflow@reddit
United Karen strikes again
SaintCambria@reddit
Wow, lotta bitter poors ITT, huh?
Codacc69420@reddit
Plenty of poor people in ugly crossovers nowadays, you don’t need to be rich to own one
Saliiim@reddit
That is literally just it. It’s no coincidence that the news article chose a Range Rover instead of a Nissan Quashqai for the cover photo.
dedemdem@reddit
The issue these days is 1) even normal cars have gotten huge, everything is becoming a crossover of sorts and safety regs / EV segment have caused cars to further balloon in size and 2) no-one really makes MPVs anymore, the segment has been culled effectively. Only SUV shape cars now remain for families.
Radiant_Clue@reddit
Not the same height and weight. Passat are usually for familly. SUV for solo boomers