[NFA] -New Release- ThunderBeast Spiro 5.56 Silencer - $50 OFF with Promo Code "LEPRECHAUN"
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Chapel Hill fucks and does encouraging aftercare.
Mass_Jass@reddit
Has anyone shot one of these yet? The only thing I can find on them is a handful of influencer hype videos where they seem to pointedly avoid talking about the sound performance.
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This is a solid video that has the spiro in the mix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yei2qRr-NTc
dude says spiro is not the quietest in his test, but his setup allows you to somewhat hear all the different sounds which I like because a lot of videos muffle the actual sounds. I think his video captures the differences pretty well from a certain position. But that all changes from shooter, to observer, etc... depending on where you are in relation to the firearm when the round is discharged
ChapelHillGuns@reddit (OP)
I realize Youtube videos are the best way to measure sound performance, but here's a decent comparison. You are correct that they spend a lot more time talking about how great the Spiro is on gas and not necessarily the sound performance.
https://youtu.be/Gd_cVc9llhI?si=jWaR4Mfu3I2OT3ZG
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Looking forward to seeing more of these in the wild and/or tested at SSS26.
prmoore11@reddit
Gentle reminder that TBAC is the leader of the anti-Pew gang and all claims by them about anything sound related should be met with hefty skepticism.
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Can you clarify? I've got no idea what you're referring to.
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Ray at TBAC and Jay at Pew have beef.
NFA and this subreddit are a bit like a cult towards Jay/Pew and reject even reasonable criticism of him/his methods, while shitting on TBAC.
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No, that’s not what happened.
TBAC was supportive of Jay when he first came out. They even completely validated his raw data.
Then, low and behold, Jay showed that their cans were not as good as they claimed (which, even at the time, they still ranked quite high and there was nothing to be ashamed of really). Then Ray lost his shit and went all full anti-Pew, and has ACTIVELY CONSPIRED against Jay ever since. All while still using inferior methods (which has been discussed at length in regards to the Silencer Summit and I will not be discussing for the 1000th time) to claim “science” while still attempting to defraud customers.
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Look I get the impulse to defend TBAC here and I think Ray gets a worse rap than he deserves. Yeah TBAC validated Jay's raw waveform data early on, that's true. But agreeing that a microphone captured a pressure trace accurately is not the same thing as endorsing the entire analytical stack built on top of it. The Suppression Rating formula is proprietary and has never been published or peer reviewed anywhere. The hearing damage model it depends on (AHAAH from Army Research Lab) was flagged by the Army's own AIBS peer review panel with the explicit recommendation that "the model user should assume only unwarned ears at this time" due to skepticism about anticipated middle ear muscle contraction. A 2018 study by Scherer et al. using laser Doppler vibrometry to directly measure middle ear muscle response found anticipatory contraction was not reliably present in the tested population and concluded the warned option should not be used for injury risk calculation (published in Hearing Research, 2018). A separate NIOSH analysis of the Blast Overpressure study data by Murphy, Khan, and Shaw found that LAeq8hr actually provided a better statistical fit to real injury data than AHAAH in several comparisons. Jay buries a footnote on SSS.3 admitting the warned/unwarned debate exists and that newer cochlear energy models look promising, then defaults to warned ARUs anyway because it gives him more "data granularity" between cans. So when Ray or anyone else pushes back on the methodology, they're not being sore losers, they're pointing at real published literature that questions core assumptions in Jay's pipeline. Saying "TBAC validated the data" as a gotcha only works if you pretend raw waveform capture and a proprietary composite rating are the same thing, and they aren't.
And the broader issue nobody wants to engage with is the structural problem with how Jay's operation works. The Suppression Rating has zero independent replication from any outside laboratory. The PEW-SOFT hardware and software is entirely custom and closed source. The primary sample size is 5 shots per configuration, which anyone who has done blast testing knows is not enough to establish statistical confidence when people are online arguing about 2 point rating differences. For context, Murphy et al. (2017, International Journal of Audiology) used hemisphere microphone arrays at 200 kHz sample rate, multiple positions, and standardized protocols that are openly documented and reproducible. The TBAC/Silencer Summit test methodology has been discussed to death and I'm not relitigating it, but at minimum that effort involved multiple manufacturers testing side by side with documented procedures and data you can actually look at. Meanwhile Jay's entire output is one lab, one guy's software, one guy's secret formula, generating one number that now drives purchasing decisions across the entire suppressor market. That's not a standard, it's a monopoly on perceived credibility.
None of this means Jay's raw data is bad or that his waveform capture isn't high quality. It probably is. But treating the Suppression Rating like settled science when it's built on a disputed hearing model running in its less conservative mode, processed through undisclosed math, with no external validation and tiny sample sizes is exactly the kind of thing that should get questioned. Ray raising objections doesn't make him a fraud, it makes him an engineer who disagrees with another engineer's methodology, and the actual peer reviewed literature backs up a lot of those concerns. If the community spent half as much energy reading the AHAAH criticism papers as they do calling Ray a crybaby, the conversation would be a lot more productive.
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Please make an entire thread on this in NFA. This might be one of the most informative things I've ever read.
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I don’t side with anyone here. They’re all dudes tryna sell me shit or associated with/compensated by them. Could be that Ray was/is a shitter. Doesn’t mean that I’m gonna glaze Pew/Jay either.
Pew/Jay also claims to have a standard but the actual formula for his rating isn’t laid out. How can someone verify an undisclosed “standard”?
He could be legit, but to deny there could any possibility of bias or being plain wrong, like i’ve seen the bigger names on NFA do, is a massive fucking red flag.
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the amusing part is that pew rankings and silencer summit rankings (by impulse/equivalent continuous sound level) are generally the same when comparing cans tested by both
Kozak170@reddit
I honestly couldn’t care less because the pro-Pew cult is ridiculous around here and other subs. He does great work but treating him as the authoritative messiah on suppressor rankings and not allowing any dispute is beyond silly
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Thank you
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Yep. Website took a crap right after I posted this. Try back in a bit, I guess.
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Broken again - 502 error.
ThatNewGnu@reddit
How many suppressor companies are there now? I see a new can I’ve never heard of almost everyday. Hard to believe there’s enough demand to sustain these prices in such an over saturated market.
ChapelHillGuns@reddit (OP)
ThunderBeast is a big deal in the precision rifle world...this is their first venture into the gas-gun suppressor market. Very high quality stuff.
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They’ve made several cans for the gas gun market, but none of them have been all that good. The Dominus SR was deigned for the MK18.
ChapelHillGuns@reddit (OP)
Fair enough. Admittedly I don't deal with TBAC stuff a whole lot, so I'm not up to speed on all their different models. I generally associate them with long range precision stuff.
ThatNewGnu@reddit
Sounds like a good can. Just seems like everyone and their mother is 3D printing cans now.
prmoore11@reddit
TBAC is very well known? lol
PutridDropBear@reddit
Any SR's yet?
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Seller is turbo easy to deal with, highly recommend!
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Brand new release from ThunderBeast. The SPIRO is an extremely hard use, low backpressure 556-only can. Available in either ½-28 direct thread or HUB pattern. No mount is included if you get the HUB model.
Use Promo code “LEPRECHAUN” to take $50 off on either of the Spiro models. Comes out to $956 shipped for non-Michigan residents.
Just to be transparent, I do not have these silencers in hand yet, but should have them from my distributor by the end of the week, so plan on at least a one-week lead time before these actually ship to your local dealer.
I’ve also got a few assorted models of Rex Silentium cans in hand and ready to ship, including a couple of the new SEG 9 and SEG 45 pistol cans, which are hard to beat for $350. Use Promo Code BIGREXY for 30% off. Rex stuff available here:
https://store.chapelhillgunsandammo.com/search?q=rex+silentium
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